WTF?
Someone is going to get hurt. What are they thinking?
Can someone please tell me when this whole 'swiss ball' movement got underway? Swiss ball everything it seems, but squats seems a bit out there.
How about military presses on a uni-cycle? Maybe deadlifts while on a off a skateboard... Really works those stabilizers !!
WTF?You got to be fuckin' kidding me. :-\
Someone is going to get hurt. What are they thinking?
I would like to know how you get on a ball with 135 on your back without killing yourself, let alone do a squat on it.
Can someone please tell me when this whole 'swiss ball' movement got underway? Swiss ball everything it seems, but squats seems a bit out there.
Can someone please tell me when this whole 'swiss ball' movement got underway? Swiss ball everything it seems, but squats seems a bit out there.
the only things i do on the ball are dumbell presses with my feet together .... i use just about the same weight but it feels alot better
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What is the point of the ball? You have more stability on the ground. Another gimmick.
Now that is funny! ;D
WTF?
Someone is going to get hurt. What are they thinking?
I'm a personal trainer and I say core ball=people who don't want to lift real weight. To me, it's a joke. You want to strengthen your "core", do some fucking sit ups and put that retarded ball away. I don't use a core ball and my abs would own most "coreball" users. Amazing!!!
Croatch on... :o
what would you do if you had a son and he started training on that ball?
proprioception.
your son shouldn't be having sex at 8 dude
your son shouldn't be having sex at 8 dudeahahahah...funny shit bro ;D
your son shouldn't be having sex at 8 dude
I've had some female clients do that,,, but on a Bosu.
Same effect, only stable.
I would never balance their ass on a fitness ball, that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.
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Exactly dipshit...that's why you use it, for IN-stability.
Obvoiusly Stablility Balls aren't the best for building a physique but for rehabilitation, performance enhancement and general contitioning, they're great.
Everyone know's how to do a fuckin floor crunch but showing a client how to do a Stability Ball crunch makes you look like a little more intelligent.
I like to see some sweet looking honey bouncing on a big ball, it sure is fun to see her titis bouance and I wonder how it would feel to have her ride me :P
WTF?
Someone is going to get hurt. What are they thinking?
Bottom line, even regular people, not bodybuilders will benefit from doing basic heavy lifting, cardio and eating right. It's not f-ing rocket science!
True, but any trainer can teach the basics, it takes an experianced trainer to go beyond the basics and take your client to the next level. To be a great trainer your clients should be complete..meaning, not only the primary muscles should be strong and developed but also stabilizers as well as conditioning. Any trainer can just take money and persuade their client that their making progress. Learn to train your clients like an athlete (at their level) and you have well rounded, happy client!!
hahaha. What a fag. What is some yuppie gonna do with his "stabilizers" gimme a break haha. "Help me train my stabilizers." lololololololololzzzz!!!!!
i would totally play with their balls if they had any!
Because of the instability of the ball, performing exercises on the ball requires more muscle to contract and be utilized by your body for balance. EMG studies show that doing crunches on a stability ball uses 30% more abdominal muscle than doing crunches on the floor. I guarantee that if you do a few sets of crunches on the ball with proper form (if you don't know ask a PT ;D), you will be more sore the following day than you ever have been doing crunches on the floor.
Think about it, the principal behind the use of a stability ball is basicly the same reason you prefer DBs and BBs over machines whenever possible. Its harder and more muscle is used. The end results may be different, but the principals are the same. Not only that, the stability ball is very versatile.
hahaha. All the PT's are coming out of the woodwork now to defend their "profession" hahaha. Why don't you tell people the real reason you use stability balls (besides the Freudian reasons)is to get these people in there so you can get their money - since people are lazy when it comes to training - you have to create all these bullshit gimmicks to entertain people. I'm sure it's just killing you that people are calling you out on the bs pseudo-science you are proliferating.
I guarantee you will not notice one bit of difference between someone doing standard crunches and someone using a prop after a year of training. The stability ball is versatile? How do you figure? I say more power to PTs - just admit the truth!
Hey Junior, I train professional athletes for a living. If I have a pitcher, quarterback tennis player or anyone who plays a sport that requires anything related to rotator cuffs, knees, ankles, etc and they get injured due to negligent strength or conditioning it's my ass, and considering you more than likely don't know what a "stabilizer" muscle is without going to Google, keep your yap shut unless you know what you're taking about......unless you can prove otherwise!!
Hey son, anytime you wanna train let me know!!
Are you asking me out on a date?
You don't know shit jackass except some pseudoscience other morons put out for the susceptible people. Oh wait I forgot you got a prestigious PERSONAL TRAINER certificate lol.
Screw the cert, those are a crock and a technacality, 30 years of proven training and learning from the best is how I got my experiance!
There is no such thing as a "stabilizer muscle". Please give me an example of one. Or show an anatomy chart where it says "satbilizer muscle".
There is no such thing as a "stabilizer muscle". Please give me an example of one. Or show an anatomy chart where it says "satbilizer muscle".
Please define the difference in muscle isolation and support that occurs when one is doing barbell bench press vs. dumbbell presses.
You don't need a barbell to train chest. The bench press is a poor chest exercise. It doesn't isolate enough.
Point is, if you can bench 300 for 10 reps, you cannot usually press two 150-pound dumbbells for 10 reps.
Why?
Balance. Which involves.... drum roll.... STABILIZER MUSCLES.
Have a nice day.
There is no such thing as a "stabilizer muscle". Please give me an example of one.
Rotator Cuff, theres one!
Why would 20 something professionals want to train their rotator cuffs?
Prevent joint injuries and extend longevity from overusage.
It's a waste of time. You work all these muscles better through indirect exertion when you do the classic exercises.
I have an important question now - Do you think a pro bodybuilder ...... say........Federov.....c ould have avoided a pec tear had he spent years training his rotator cuffs with a swiss ball? This is a very important question.
I'm not talking about doing rotator cuff exercises on a swiss ball ::)! Important answer and serious.....he more than likely tore his pec (the same way I did) by doing too much, when I tore my pec 2 1/2 years ago, I was on my 7th rep with 405, it wasn't just the weight but the combination of the break down, anotherwords....too many reps!
The typical client for these PERSONAL TRAINERS!!!!!! is a young professional person that maybe engages in some weekend warrior activity like playing basketball. It doesn't help them one bit. It was time better spent on building muscle using a classic routine.
Time is better spent building the body - not playing around on balls. There is no advantage in squatting on balls, doing sit-ups on balls, pressing on balls, or shitting on balls. It will not develop a superior physique, and it will not prevent injuries as I already proved. IN FACT - It's stupid, because you can't use as much weight if your concentrating on maintaining your center of balance.
NOT PRACTICAL OR USEFUL FOR 99% OF THE POPULATION. WASTE OF TIME.
IT's A GIMMICK TO GET PEOPLE INTERESTED IN WORKING OUT SO THE PTs CAN MAKE MONEY OFF THE SUCKERS!
But you only develop "functional" muscle right? Because muscle developed through classic(proven) exercises, not pseudo-science is not functional. Bodybuilders are meatheads that don't develop functional muscles right? What a clown. :)
The idea that free weights won't build stability or functional strength is simply laughable. Traditional free-weight exercises are by far the best way to develop functional strength, but nobody wants to do them because they're too difficult. It's really that simple.
Olympic lifters are some of the best all around athletes in the world, and you don't see them doing dumbbell flyes on a pink ball. Try telling these guys that they need to work on their "functional strength". The fact is, anyone who can military press 225 and squat 500 will easily outperform these Swiss Ball clowns in any test of functional strength.
Let me break this down.
1. I'm not you're typical "personal trainer"
2. If the "weekend warrior" plays on the weekend for example in a league, he obviously takes it seriously and needs the training. I have a few.
3. True, there is no advantage to squatting on a ball, but core work is a must, and yes sometimes on a ball is a must (core..rectus abdominus, intercostals, obliques, transverse abdominus, lower back.) for people who cannot do traditional movements and have to do indirect training.
4. The "average" person can careless about building a superior physique, they just want to be stronger, fit and healthy.
5. Funtional training is a must for people who cannot work with heavy weights like the elderly, children and adolesents and rehab clients.
6. And no, bodybuilders (at least National level and pro's) can care less about funtional muscle, although some (the smart ones) are adding it in their training. What proof?.....see how long an off season bodybuilder lasts in a college or pro combine or doing 2 a day training in the middle of summer!!
7. You cannot train an athlete like you would train a bodybuilder.....because BODYBUILDERS ARE NOT ATHLETES and the typical client is NOT A BODYBUILDER!!
The idea that free weights won't build stability or functional strength is simply laughable. Traditional free-weight exercises are by far the best way to develop functional strength, but nobody wants to do them because they're too difficult. It's really that simple.
Olympic lifters are some of the best all around athletes in the world, and you don't see them doing dumbbell flyes on a pink ball. Try telling these guys that they need to work on their "functional strength". The fact is, anyone who can military press 225 and squat 500 will easily outperform these Swiss Ball clowns in any test of functional strength.
True, but any trainer can teach the basics, it takes an experianced trainer to go beyond the basics and take your client to the next level. To be a great trainer your clients should be complete..meaning, not only the primary muscles should be strong and developed but also stabilizers as well as conditioning. Any trainer can just take money and persuade their client that their making progress.
So let me get this straight......
Using a swiss ball IS BENEFICIAL if you meet the following criteria(according to you):
A. You must not care about building a superior physique, but you must care about being stronger, fit, and healthy. This will be accomplished by lifting 5 pounds on a swiss ball.
B. You must be elderly, in rehab, or a child.
C. Core work is a must for people that can't do traditional movements.
D. If you are a weekend warrior that plays in a league - you will find pressing light weight on a swiss ball more beneficial than free weights.
Another Gem: "Bodybuilders can care less about functional muscles."
So when Ronnie Coleman deadlifts 800 pounds he isn't using functional muscles, but when a weekend warrior shoots hoops "for example in a league" THAT MAN, that weekend warrior IS using FUNCTIONAL MUSCLES!!!! WOW This makes sense. Thank you!!! I knew he must have been doing it through the core muscles he developed through extensive use of the "swiss ball" lol.
So let me get this straight......
Another Gem: "Bodybuilders can care less about functional muscles."
So when Ronnie Coleman deadlifts 800 pounds he isn't using functional muscles, but when a weekend warrior shoots hoops "for example in a league" THAT MAN, that weekend warrior IS using FUNCTIONAL MUSCLES!!!! WOW This makes sense. Thank you!!! I knew he must have been doing it through the core muscles he developed through extensive use of the "swiss ball" lol.
MELTDOWN
I'm gonna break it down to you, Mansonvier. Basically, there are two groups of people who workout in gyms:you're pathetic bragging about pulling 495 at 260, weak as a popcorn fart.
1. Hardcore guys, who really want to grow bigger muscles.
2. All the rest.
People who this type of exercises, like that idiotic homosexual you showed on one of your posts, belong to the second group of people. Guys who go into gyms to grow big muscles share some characteristics:They purposefully do the hardest exercises, they use mostly free-weights, take pride in taking sets to failure and pay strict attention to form.
For instance, I'm the ONLY guy, at my gym, who regularly dead-lifts. I can dead-lift five plates a side, for up to ten reps. I'm the only guy who doesn't use crappy form in the last reps of a set, when it starts to really demand something from you. Why? Because it is exactly those last reps that make your muscles grow. You know what? It works. I have weighed over 300 lbs when I was saucing, but even now that I'm sauce-free, I still weight 260 lbs-at a height of 6'5.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
you're pathetic bragging about pulling 495 at 260, weak as a popcorn fart.
And regarding the elderly - how the hell is balancing on a swiss ball easier than doing a sit up?
hahaha. What a fag. What is some yuppie gonna do with his "stabilizers" gimme a break haha. "Help me train my stabilizers." lololololololololzzzz!!!!!not only that...but as long as you are not using machiines in your workouts, you already have strengthened your "stabilizers".
Amazing how closed minded some are.
what i am trying to say is that is the dumbest thing that i have ever seen doing squats on a big pink ball i just dosent look safe you guys can do is all you want but dont tell me that it is a good safe way to do squats
Isn't the humiliation I delivered to you, on the Y board, enough to make you shut your cun t up? I know that it's impossible for a bitch like you to close that sperm bank you call a mouth, but please try. Seriously. How much more do you want me to rape you, with my massive wit(no, sorry, I'm not going to rape you with my massive dick, 'cause homosexuality disgusts me. Sorry to disappoint you, but I'll rape you only with my wit)? I mean, I have humiliated your mommy and all the other female members of your family, including yourself, yet you still come back for more? Damn, girl, I didn't know masochism was one of your sex fetiches! How slutty you are! I guess it's as they say:like mother, like daughter! ;Dmeltdown.
Speaking of strengh, I BET I'm much stronger than you. Not stronger, but much, much stronger. If you have read what what I wrote, you'd realized I dead-lift ten plates for over ten reps. I have done as much as seventeen reps, with that weight. My single is seven plates a side, which doesen't put me that much behind Ronnie. I guess this is not your fault; crack-whores usually are usually illiterate and don't enroll their kids in school. Good bye, loser. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
He is a world class surfer, makes good money, is featured in the biggest muscle mag and is in shape. So make fun of him squating on a ball if you want, I doubt he cares.
LOL...so you're telling me Ronnie Coleman can keep up with an elite athlete (Baseball, Football, etc) and pass the test in a combine?? LOL....can't wait to hear this!! Hahahahahaha!
I never said traditional weights does not build stability!
You implied that traditional weight training will leave one deficient in "stability" and "functional strength". According to you, dicking around on a swiss ball will make up for these deficiencies. ::)
That doesn't make any sense. Just because someone can't keep up with top athletes doesn't mean they lack athletic ability. Most people by definition cannot keep up with elite athletes.
On the other hand, I can guarantee you that Ronnie is stronger than anyone in the NFL. The combine record on the bench press is a measly 43 reps with 225. I also wouldn't be surprised if he did well on the vertical jump and 40 yard dash. Many bodybuilders and olympic lifters are outstanding athletes, and they don't do anything but lift weights.
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Exactly. The way YOU like to do things. Nothing is 100% proven on either side. You claim he's going to kill himself on the ball, yet it seems like he is doing fine.
I'm not saying you are right or wrong. Just saying it is an opinion. He seems to have proof that his methods are working. A surfer who is way past his prime (not sure if most of you realize that), but is at the peak of his career physically. Something is working.
good bodybuilders dont throw out their backs bending over
LOL...so you're telling me Ronnie Coleman can keep up with an elite athlete (Baseball, Football, etc) and pass the test in a combine?? LOL....can't wait to hear this!! Hahahahahaha!
Ronnie Coleman has almost no athletic ability at his size.
The man can barely walk.
And to be fair,,, neither did Dorian...
They could have some 50lbs lighter...
Mark McGuire and Joe Montana used core training? LMFAO!
LOL..Funny you should mention Mark McGuire, he was my neighbor and my client for about 10 months when he used to live in Huntington Beach and yes, he did alot of core training, Dennis Rodman was also a client along with Tito Ortiz and Tank Abbott and they all did core..all from Huntington Beach!
Yeah right HAHAHA!!
Care to put a little money on it?
MR INTENSONE, MANSONVIER IS ROYALLY OWNING YOU, JUST GIVE UP NOW WHILE YOU STILL HAVE EVEN A SHRED OF DIGNITY LEFT YOU GERIATRIC F#*KING SCUMBAG C*NT! HEY MR INTENSONE HOW MANY OF THOSE $100 PHONE CALLS HAVE PEOPLE PAYED FOR SO FAR, LOL! HAHAHAHA! WHAT A LOSER.
XL, why don't you wager your account on it?ON WHAT?
ON WHAT?on whether intenseone knows mcgwire or not
XL, why don't you wager your account on it?
on whether intenseone knows mcgwire or notI DIDNT READ THAT PART. I DONT KNOW IF HE KNOWS HIM OR NOT, I REALLY DONT CARE.
MR INTENSONE, MANSONVIER IS ROYALLY OWNING YOU, JUST GIVE UP NOW WHILE YOU STILL HAVE EVEN A SHRED OF DIGNITY LEFT YOU GERIATRIC F#*KING SCUMBAG C*NT! HEY MR INTENSONE HOW MANY OF THOSE $100 PHONE CALLS HAVE PEOPLE PAYED FOR SO FAR? LOL! HAHAHAHA!! WHAT A LOSER!
MELTDOWN.
I've got a better idea, just have him come on down to a combine camp with me, NFL regular season is over and some of the players will be released. As a matter of fact I have a couple of kids that I train from San Diego State that I'm getting ready for the May combine....Double XL and Mansovier are invited and I'm sure Junior Seau should be there with the team.
I DIDNT READ THAT PART. I DONT KNOW IF HE KNOWS HIM OR NOT, I REALLY DONT CARE.
he post some pics of himself spotting Tank Abbott on a swiss ball.
MELTDOWN.
HEY CAN YOU GET ME FREE TICKETS TO A FOOTBALL GAME, CAN I SIT ON THE SIDELINES RIGHT ON FIELD LEVEL? THAT WOULD BE COOL, ID APPRECIATE IT, THANKS.
I saw that issue of M&F. I believe the trainer of this surfer guy is none other than former IFBB pro, Jamo Nezzar.
The Swiss ball stuff is part of his "JamCore Training" system.
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Someone is going to get hurt. What are they thinking?
saw a guy today doing pushups with his hands on the swiss balls and feet on a benchI see people doing bench press, shoulder press, squats, anything on them >:(
wouldn't it be safer to rest the hands on the bench too?
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"Jamo" should have his cert revoked!!coach let me guess......
Balls are gayer then gayclub Lorenzo on a bustrip to Disneyland.
saw a guy today doing pushups with his hands on the swiss balls and feet on a benchhe wouldnt have utilized his core as much.
wouldn't it be safer to rest the hands on the bench too?
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jesus christ your a dumb mother fucker ...
That's it, flame on! Trust me, if i could flat bench w/out pain, I would have never attempted this.dude are you fucking retarded? :o :o :o
dude are you fucking retarded? :o :o :o
YAYY, I've got mail!train smarter?
train smarter?
training on a ball is very smart ;) good job
If someone has an injury that prevents them from doing the traditional exercise, Swiss Ball press movements ARE viable options as it recruits stablizers that are not always challenged using the traditional lift. I will agree that the squat on the ball is extreme and dangerous, but, I don't know why some of you are so close minded to options. As you get older, you train smarter, not harder.
I don't advocate using just your standard garden variety Swiss Ball though as I've seen one burst under the weight of a training partner who weighed 240 who was DB pressing the 60's on a warmup. This is the only way to go. It's burst resistant to 2,000 lbs: http://www.power-systems.com/p-3354-power-versaball-r.aspx
Here's 275, flat bench, on a ball and I was about 185, clean at 5'8. I had arthroscopic surgery in 2000 and this was in '03 if I remember correctly. Don't limit yourself because something looks weird or out of place, it may be beneficial to add to your program on occasion. Just something to ponder.
thank god the coach doesn't support the stability ball bullshit ;D
You failed to mention where you had the surgery. Reguardless, when I see shit like this I just have to ask what the hell you were thinking? Look, I use stability balls in some of my training and if you know how and when to use them and for the right reasons, it's a good training tool. But dude...c'mon, this is just one step above the idiot who's squatting on the ball and the dumbshit trainer who told him to do it.
Those ball things should all be destroyed on sightI saw a girl doing arnold turning shoulder presses while standing next to a huge glass window this morning
You failed to mention where you had the surgery.
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