I like Chick but he doesn't look like a guy who wants to help Lee out >:(
I like Chick but he doesn't look like a guy who wants to help Lee out >:(
Marc, you should watch your mouth !
Dude I only call as it is , so far as I am aweare we are all still allowed to state the truth and have a opinion , although I could be wrong on this and do stand to be corrected !!
Well it was bound to happen - just been talking to Lee and Robin Chang has cancelled Lee's plane ticket and hotel accommodation and told Jim Manion that if Lee wanted to do the Olympia - he would have to pay his own way !!!!! Interesting considering Lee has already signed the Olympia contract and in it, it stipulates that AMI will pay for the above cancelled items - Robin Chang claims Lee never reimbursed them for flights and hotel accommodation from last year, but the funny thing is they have never asked for reimbursement (until today) all they wanted was a letter of apology which was adhered to by his sponsors!! And get this, Lee paid for his own flights last year and never stayed at the hotel at AMIs expense, he stayed at the Hilton apartments organized and paid by Twinlab!!
Robin Chang owns Getbig now
Is there any other sporting federation (or governing body) that treates its athletes in such a way?
You would hope that this situation is exactly what they have a Athletes rep for , to act as a mediator between the parties so the best possible outcome can be reached
I'm not quite sure what the problem is, exactly...
Lee signed the contract to participate in the Olympia last year.
Lee was compensated by the promoter, airfare and accomodations as per the contract.
Lee opted to not compete in the show for personal reasons.
Some time later, Lee used the tickets for his own personal use...
As per the contract, Lee did not fullfill his part of the deal and should never have used the tickets, thus he technically owes the promoter for the cost of said tickets.
The promoter has already paid airfare ONCE for Lee, why would he pay again?
Am I missing something here?
As per the contract, Lee did not fullfill his part of the deal and should never have used the tickets, thus he technically owes the promoter for the cost of said tickets.
The promoter has already paid airfare ONCE for Lee, why would he pay again?
Am I missing something here?
Robin Chang owns getbig now :'(
Who is Robin Chang? Sorry, i must be out of the loop.
Lisa
If Lee got money from the promoter and then backed out, then Lee needs to pay it back.
Who is Robin Chang? Sorry, i must be out of the loop.
Who knows. I'm sure it'll get really ugly on the boards then get settled really fast. Always does!
Fair is fair...Technically, Lee owes Robin Chang (promoter) for 2 tickets. Instead of these guys trading $20 bills...Lee can purchase his own tickets, and they're even.
With all due fairness...I'm not sure Lee has a problem with it.Fair enough.
Who is Robin Chang? Sorry, i must be out of the loop.
Lisa
Lee should never have used the tickets for personal use...plain and simple.
It's up to the promoters discression as to what they offer...he doesn't HAVE to pick up expenses.
Well it was bound to happen - just been talking to Lee and Robin Chang has cancelled Lee's plane ticket and hotel accommodation and told Jim Manion that if Lee wanted to do the Olympia - he would have to pay his own way !!!!!So I'm a little confused. If Twinlab paid for Lee's Hotel and flight, why is Bob saying that Lee used the paid for tickets for his own pleasure? If his company paid for everything what did the IFBB pay for?
Interesting considering Lee has already signed the Olympia contract and in it, it stipulates that AMI will pay for the above cancelled items - Robin Chang claims Lee never reimbursed them for flights and hotel accommodation from last year, but the funny thing is they have never asked for reimbursement (until today) all they wanted was a letter of apology which was adhered to by his sponsors!! And get this, Lee paid for his own flights last year and never stayed at the hotel at AMIs expense, he stayed at the Hilton apartments organized and paid by Twinlab!!
Chic as athletes rep - do you think you should wade in here and sort this out for lee - I mean lee is a IFBB Pro right !!
That depends on the contract language. If it clearly states that Lee HAD TO compete in order to use these tickets, then yes, action should have been taken by Chang. Perhaps a bit earlier than August of the following year, though. But IF it said that, you are correct. Remember, we're talking the law here and not "what is right or wrong".
And that depends on the contract also. You may be entirely correct. Lee is a top athlete and if HIS contract guaranteed him two tickets, then those two tickets are still owed to him. EVEN IF he owes for last year.
These are two different years, two different contracts. No one here knows what we're talking about until we read the specific wording of both contracts. All we have here is a little bit of public banter to put pressure on one side to change a position. Lee is obviously a hero on getbig. Chang has to decide if 1) signing THIS year's contract was Chang's mistake, and 2) If it's worth the price of those two plane tickets for the negative press that the IFBB will get with the 3,000 views a day it'll get on getbig, and whatever else on other message boards. If they're just collecting PR black eyes and they did sign a contract, better just to choose another fight.
Special "3 credit hours in Business Law" 240
So I'm a little confused. If Twinlab paid for Lee's Hotel and flight, why is Bob saying that Lee used the paid for tickets for his own pleasure? If his company paid for everything what did the IFBB pay for?
The bottom line is...the tickets and hotel accomodations are given IN CONTEMPLATION OF competing in the show...thats why the consideration is given in the first place.
secondly, the contract has to be signed by both parties for it to be valid...Lee may have signed it and sent it in...doesn't mean it was consumated.
Robin has every right to not pick up the tab, he picked it up last year and Lee bailed...no guarantee he'll compete this year either.
This is as basic as it gets.
Ok,
dont post much, been a fan of bodybuilding for a while. Want to see what is good for the sport. 1) lets wait to hear lee's side of this
2)bob think you have done some good things as an athlete rep
but from an outsider, it seems like you are not defending lee in this situation. I know you two have had your little pdi spat, whatever. In this case though it is an IFBB pro who is now not compensated for the olympia (and I dont want to hear about last years contract, we dont know all the details and this is this year). It seems as if it was someone other than Lee than you would be arguing for the AMI to upheld their end of the contract. And AMI was not going to pay for lee this year, then they should have never sent him the contract in the 1st place. A business is never going to send someone a signed contract where both parties. It is assumed that AMI sends lee the contract that they have already agreed to the terms. Lee sends it back and it is official. If lee did sign this years contract and it did stipulate that flight and hotel will be paid for then you should argue for him to get those things. If he does not competer or IFBB bans him then let the IFBB or AMI deal with him at that point. At that point it would be an organization against an athlete.
Again I do think you have done a lot so far this year, but arguments like these make it look like you work for the IFBB instead of an athletes rep. Again this is a just a fans view. Keep on the good work.
G
Just my opinion. is anyone else emceeing olympia with Bob?
Ok,
dont post much, been a fan of bodybuilding for a while. Want to see what is good for the sport. 1) lets wait to hear lee's side of this
2)bob think you have done some good things as an athlete rep
but from an outsider, it seems like you are not defending lee in this situation. I know you two have had your little pdi spat, whatever. In this case though it is an IFBB pro who is now not compensated for the olympia (and I dont want to hear about last years contract, we dont know all the details and this is this year). It seems as if it was someone other than Lee than you would be arguing for the AMI to upheld their end of the contract. And AMI was not going to pay for lee this year, then they should have never sent him the contract in the 1st place. A business is never going to send someone a signed contract where both parties. It is assumed that AMI sends lee the contract that they have already agreed to the terms. Lee sends it back and it is official. If lee did sign this years contract and it did stipulate that flight and hotel will be paid for then you should argue for him to get those things. If he does not competer or IFBB bans him then let the IFBB or AMI deal with him at that point. At that point it would be an organization against an athlete.
Again I do think you have done a lot so far this year, but arguments like these make it look like you work for the IFBB instead of an athletes rep. Again this is a just a fans view. Keep on the good work.
G
I am curious to hear what lee says. And bob - if lee broke the contract last year, then he was wrong and that is for him and Robin to deal with. But if the contract was signed this year with no mention of last in it, then I think you should fight for him. Hell if does the PDI or gets suspended or jsut doesnt compete then let the IFBB and AMI take it up with him. Youll be doing your job as a rep and make them do the "dirty work."
Just my opinion. is anyone else emceeing olympia with you and are you going oversees for the foreign shows?
I'm hosting the Press conference and the Friday night finals with Dan Solomon, and saturday night with Shawn Ray...
Bob, you sound like you already have made up your mind and are going to leave Lee out in the cold.
BTW When you host the Saturday night show with Shawn Ray, take a cattle prod. When he starts rambling on and taking over the broadcast like he does with the radio show, ZAP him.
This is an interesting topic. I'm sure it happens now and then, with the loose contract language and lack of accountability we're seeing.
more amusing for us, the fans, is that this is another arrow being slung from camp IFBB to camp PDI.
I know, anyone affiliated with either side will have to deny it, but step back. Remember that black eye that the IFBB gave the NOC when Vince Taylor flipflopped for the 3rd time, this time choosing a guest pose on an empty IFBB weekend in Sept (when everyone and their mother is in shape and free for the weekend0 in lieu of the NOC. I remember several IFBB supporters, all on the boards dancing and proclaiming the end of the PDi.
Now, we see what is arguably an 11th hour financial "punk" move, and it's making the IFBB look bad. Lee looks like a hero being persecuted for his belief in the importance of fair market competition. Fans see this. Camp PDI fires its own arrows.
Lee Priest has a lot of capital with the fans. And it seems that when he is wronged (and making him buy a late ticket after doing the contract) is kinda cold. So, he has employed this capital to return the favor. IFBB looks bad, Chang looks bad, Chick looks less than neutral, and Lee looks good. just my viewpoint, though.
What on God's green earth are you talking about??? "arrows", PDI, persecution, hero's....?
This is about the easiest open and closed matter I've ever heard...
Lee signed a contract, he was given certain considerations for fullfilling it...he broke the contract and used those considerations for his OWN use...HE OWES THE PROMOTER.
Save your conspiracy theories for the WTC banter...
This has NOTHING to do with the IFBB, the PDI, Me, or anything more than what it is...trivial bullshit.
Hey, just offering my theory on a gossip & opinions board.
I tend to consider the longterm ramifications of giving ammunition to the rebellious figurehead of a generation of young BBing fans (who will be buying creatine and magazines for the next few years), on the eve of his defection to a new and exciting rival organization, to be something important.
Respectfully.
a new and exciting rival organization, to be something important.No offense but what does this have anything to do with this topic? You lob as many "arrows" at the "IFBB Camp" as anyone.
No offense but what does this have anything to do with this topic? You lob as many "arrows" at the "IFBB Camp" as anyone.
This is pretty clear cut - and the pdites are trying to make something out of nothing, much like their new organization.
Ahh but in recent weeks I've worked really hard to stop being such a pidiot :)Agreed but no need to make it always a PDI vs IFBB issue.
I know what this is really about. This isn't about the PDI, IFBB, AMI, HIV or any other form of deadly STD, this is about who is the better web designer between lift studios and 240. I say they have a face off, where they both take a random person/product/event and make a website for it in just 24 hours and whoever makes the best one gets to be advertised as the best wed designer on GETBIG and whoever loses has to leave getbig forever or until they come up with another gimmick account.
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LIFT does great work and I have nothing but respect for him.
And 1MoreRep, when are you going to get a website to market your, eh, special interests? You know I emphasize discretion above all.
Actually Robert, I plan on going world wide pretty soon. Are you good with the flash animations?
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No probs mate,
she's the younger sister of former Tennis Pro Michael Chang.
Also did a couple of movies under her alias "Annabell Cheong".
You know that Michael Chang won the French Open at the age of 16, don't you?
YIP
Zack
Oh and chic it was asked why Lee didnt come to you about this , well I think you answered that question with your stance on the matter with out you even knowing you answered it !!
Well it was bound to happen - just been talking to Lee and Robin Chang has cancelled Lee's plane ticket and hotel accommodation and told Jim Manion that if Lee wanted to do the Olympia - he would have to pay his own way !!!!!
Interesting considering Lee has already signed the Olympia contract and in it, it stipulates that AMI will pay for the above cancelled items - Robin Chang claims Lee never reimbursed them for flights and hotel accommodation from last year, but the funny thing is they have never asked for reimbursement (until today) all they wanted was a letter of apology which was adhered to by his sponsors!! And get this, Lee paid for his own flights last year and never stayed at the hotel at AMIs expense, he stayed at the Hilton apartments organized and paid by Twinlab!!
Chic as athletes rep - do you think you should wade in here and sort this out for lee - I mean lee is a IFBB Pro right !!
why would they ask you to give him that message? ???
Some folks thought I was kidding about "the message" but its no joke. The IFBB does not want Lee Priest at the Olympia and if he shows up, he will be escorted out of the building. It will all occur once he actually does the PDI NOC.
why would they ask you to give him that message? ???
It's up to the promoters discression as to what they offer...he doesn't HAVE to pick up expenses.
Hey, just offering my theory on a gossip & opinions board.
I tend to consider the longterm ramifications of giving ammunition to the rebellious figurehead of a generation of young BBing fans (who will be buying creatine and magazines for the next few years), on the eve of his defection to a new and exciting rival organization, to be something important.
Respectfully.
Why the need for a discussion of last years contracts and this years contracts?Exactly!
It's simple.
The issue:
Lee was issued 2 airline tickets for the show last year.
He chose not to compete but used the tickets instead for a personal trip.
The remedy:
This year he buys his own.
No need for armchair lawyers.
I'm not quite sure what the problem is, exactly... Lee signed the contract to participate in the Olympia last year. Lee was compensated by the promoter, airfare and accomodations as per the contract. Lee opted to not compete in the show for personal reasons. Some time later, Lee used the tickets for his own personal use... As per the contract, Lee did not fullfill his part of the deal and should never have used the tickets, thus he technically owes the promoter for the cost of said tickets. The promoter has already paid airfare ONCE for Lee, why would he pay again? Am I missing something here?
Marc,
Did Lee go to Bob with this BEFORE you decided to post it here?
They were non refundable tickets made in Lee's name, for (2) people I believe...
The promoter should not be responsible for treating lee to fly around the country for his own personal pleasure...the contract was for airfare to VEGAS to COMPETE in the Olympia. Fair is fair...Technically, Lee owes Robin Chang (promoter) for 2 tickets. Instead of these guys trading $20 bills...Lee can purchase his own tickets, and they're even.
With all due fairness...I'm not sure Lee has a problem with it.
I'm sure this has nothing to do with Robin's decision but Lee has been very vocal and personal about how he feels about Robin, I remember reading in Musclemag last year right around the time Lee pulled out of the show. They have a guy (Robin) running the Olympia who could not even run a Max Muscle store in Venice. I thought at the time that this was uncalled for as Robin is a good guy and somebody who's been great at show promoting for a long time. Running a retail store was never Robin's specialty and luckily for my, I bought said store from Robin and Flex Wheeler. Robin did a great job taking over the O and everybody at AMI/Weider agreed last year, this year will be even better and I really felt bad for Robin that Lee said that about him and I did not understand why he would go there.
I even asked Robin myself what he thought about Lee's statements and he just shrugged and never even commented on it. Robin is too much of a gentleman to retorque or attack Lee.
Max.
the right thing to do was to just return the tickets....why do you need someone to tell you to do the right thing.
Besides, if you used them for something else then you contradicted yourself in an earlier thread where Chic said you had two free tickets waiting for you to attend the Europa show....you said, "No. thanks..I pay my own way"
And last year Robin didnt sign contract.This year both of us signed it.CLEAR ON THAT NOW PEOPLE.
Are you certain that Robin didn't sign the contract after you returned it to him?
A contract is binding after all parties have signed and there is no order that those signatures have to be signed.
I sign contracts all the time with only my signature on it, then after it's returned to the client, they sign and return my copy. Standard business procedure.
I'm sure you've signed model releases in the past that require someone else to sign at a later date?
Good luck in the PDI show in September Lee :-*
Shawn just shows how little you know :-* ;)
Why i am only one person and Bob says he can do nothing for me? Isaac can't wait to meet you in person :)
Ah Lee we all know you love to stir up shit. How can you assume Bob would do nothing for you if you don't go to him first? Instead of going to Chic, you complain to Marc knowing he will post it here for all to see. You two are grown men and assume have each other's phone numbers, why not call and settle it? I look forward to meeting you in person this weekend as well Lee. Maybe Ron can take a photo of a getbig group hug. Marc can you create a post and see if chic is available to meet for a group hug at the Europa? :-*
Because Vince is the most important man in bodybuilding. He is... the word.
After last year i asked about paying back the airfare and the hotel i had them cancell a month before whn i told them i was not competing.
Well, it turned out that Lee had used the credit from the ticket for his and a friend’s personal travel sometimes during the year, without reimbursing back AMI, and did not mention a word to AMI when they contacted what flights he wanted for this year. Only when they tried to use the credit did they find out there wasn’t any. What the hell?
They were non refundable tickets made in Lee's name, for (2) people I believe...
Fair is fair...Technically, Lee owes Robin Chang (promoter) for 2 tickets. Instead of these guys trading $20 bills...Lee can purchase his own tickets, and they're even.
I thought you cancelled a week before? All this sparks more intereste for the O ;D Lee you know the right thing is to pay your own way now though right?
Good luck in the PDI show in September Lee :-*
Ah Lee we all know you love to stir up shit. How can you assume Bob would do nothing for you if you don't go to him first? Instead of going to Chic, you complain to Marc knowing he will post it here for all to see. You two are grown men and assume have each other's phone numbers, why not call and settle it?
I dont mind paying my own way.Twinlab would pay it anyway so i am not bothered.This just makes my whole Oympia contract null invoid then.So i should not be expected to do anything in it just apart from compete
I think Adam Empire was right here. Those are two different contracts. Chang has every right to take action for last year's contract issues. But this is a different contract. Chang should not have offered it to Lee if Chang was unhappy about last year. I don't see where Chang has any legal basis to break the contract here.
ROFL . . . 240 when did you earn a legal degree? Do you read the self indulgent bull shit you post here?
To much of a gentleman that why he told Twinalb last year"LEE PRIEST IS NOT GOING ON STAGE TO HAND OUT AN AWARD" Twinlab said we gave you over 70,000 in sponosrship for the 0.And Lee is our top athlete to hand out the award.He replied"i don't care next year keep your money"
I met a few people this week who are not going tothe O they have been 10 years in a row but after last years mess they are not going again.Yeah great job last year that is why i said that comment.Now you know :)
Why are you so insistent that Lee go through Bob in order to pursue resolution? This is at least your 2nd post to that effect.
The issue is between Lee and AMI, correct?
Are you saying that Bob is also the 'AMI athletes' rep'?
Hmm...
Chic as athletes rep - do you think you should wade in here and sort this out for lee - I mean lee is a IFBB Pro right !!
This is so simple I can't believe it's gone 5 pages...
1. First, it's NOT AN IFBB MATTER...it's an issue between Robin (promoter) and Lee (athlete).
2. To LEE:
DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT USE THE TICKET FOR PERSONAL USE?
IS LEE NOT AN IFBB PRO YOU REPRESENT?
1. First, it's NOT AN IFBB MATTER...it's an issue between Robin (promoter) and Lee (athlete).
Surely if the promoter this not functioning within the rules set out in the IFBB rulebook, it is an IFBB matter.
3.2 Olympia:
In Olympia competitions, all competitors, since they must qualify, will be
provided with a round-trip economy-class airline ticket, accommodations at the
Official Hotel for a minimum of three nights, US $50.00 per day for food and
miscellaneous expenses, and one guest ticket for the Prejudging and Finals.
You're bright...and therefore you know that Bob can help Lee in his dealings with the IFBB, NOT with AMI.
So AMI has no agreement with the IFBB for the O and doesn't need to follow their contracts with IFBB Pros? Still sounds like an issue for the athletes rep.
Surely if the promoter this not functioning within the rules set out in the IFBB rulebook, it is an IFBB matter.
3.2 Olympia:
In Olympia competitions, all competitors, since they must qualify, will be
provided with a round-trip economy-class airline ticket, accommodations at the
Official Hotel for a minimum of three nights, US $50.00 per day for food and
miscellaneous expenses, and one guest ticket for the Prejudging and Finals.
That rule is applied to the promoters.
What's in question is if they should purchase him another one IF he owes them for one previously issued.
The promoter is breaking an IFBB rule.
that Lee needs to sort shit out with the help of Cicherillo. And not over the internet, mind you.Well said HH. How can Lee expect to be taken serious when he does his negotiating on the Gossip and Opinions board. It appears that he just wants to whine
YIP
Zack
2. He offered to pay back his tickets for last year and was declined and told simply to write an apology letter
GUYS...
Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill...
Let's not start reciting language of contracts and such.
I know Lee likes to spout off about the rules being followed and such...but lets not forget, he wasn't fined OR suspended despite breaking the Olympia contract last year.
Yes, he had to simply write a letter of apology, which he did...the "ticket matter" wasn't even thought of until Robin went to use the credit THIS year.
You think with the Olympia prep and aftermath last year, that the first thing on Robins mind was a lousy $400 ticket?
The issue is overblown...Lee's company (Twinlab) will cover the flight anyway, I believe the hotel rsvp is still there as usual.
If there is anything Lee requests of me, he can simply pick up the phone or email me...
If there is anything Lee requests of me, he can simply pick up the phone or email me...
Why would he start now Chick?
But it's flattering that Lee used the ticket for personal use instead of the Olympia?
No matter how you slice it...why should Robin have to buy ANOTHER ticket for Lee?
As I stated earlier in this thread, ultimately...they would be exchanging $20 bills.
How is it that Robin is the bad guy? Was he supposed to buy a ticket for Lee and whoever to go on vacation?
Marc,
Did Lee go to Bob with this BEFORE you decided to post it here?
1. He states that last year he did not have a binding contract (they didn't sign)
2. He offered to pay back his tickets for last year and was declined and told simply to write an apology letter
3. This year he has a signed (and thus binding) contract for airfare, accomodations, etc.
4. No where in the IFBB rules, nor in the contract of this year does it state that the airfare offered to qualified athletes can be revoked for past disputes/transgressions.
I think all those points of his are enough for you to take up the case and hear both sides of the story in a mediated fashion. If Lee is right on all those counts then in fact, they DO owe him the tickets this year. Should he not have used the tickets even if they told him not to worry about paying them back? No, but it's not against any rules or contract or grounds for taking his airfare this year (assuming he's right about the 4 points above)
Simply put, AMI made a mistake. They were not clear with Lee about what he should do about the ticket. They did not stay on top of their finances by keeping track of the credit. This should have been resolved quietly months ago.
240 & Original Sin are right, AMI needs to write this off and be done with it. It is not worth the bad PR, even though personally it sounds to me like Lee should reimburse them for the ticket(s). In the grand scheme of things, it's not worth it. It's their fault for not being clear. Mistakes like these are exactly why companies write off a certain percentage of their revenue every year to bad debt.
There WAS a contract last year...Lee broke it, remember?
Few people ever bail out of the Olympia for anything other than a medical excuse...the contract was signed, the flight was booked...simple.
Yes cause i sent it to them after i signed it and they sent it back both copies my fax and original unsigned.That is why i also decided to pull out last year as i have said before it was usigned.But this years copy is signed by both.
There WAS a contract last year...Lee broke it, remember?
Few people ever bail out of the Olympia for anything other than a medical excuse...the contract was signed, the flight was booked...simple.
You OFFICIALY need to charge your position the IFBB Athlete's Liason. I have strongly supported you, because I feel you were right most of the time, but I won't do it blindly. You come on here and defend AMI without even talking to either party first. Basically you just picked a side and surprise surprise it is one opposing Lee. I don't think you can be objective anymore in any matter concerning Lee.
Lee did screw AMI, TWICE in fact, Three times if you count the baseless attack on Robin.
But you should have talked to Lee and Robin prior to coming on here and giving the official party line. >:(
Robin could have at least faxed Lee and told him of the cancellation and why, maybe he did but guess what you didn't ask Lee to find out. We all know he has a fax machine because how else did he get his PDI card.
Do you read at all?
Simply put, AMI made a mistake. They were not clear with Lee about what he should do about the ticket. They did not stay on top of their finances by keeping track of the credit. This should have been resolved quietly months ago.
240 & Original Sin are right, AMI needs to write this off and be done with it. It is not worth the bad PR, even though personally it sounds to me like Lee should reimburse them for the ticket(s). In the grand scheme of things, it's not worth it. It's their fault for not being clear. Mistakes like these are exactly why companies write off a certain percentage of their revenue every year to bad debt.
Yeah...whats your point?
US $50.00 per day for food and miscellaneous expenses...
You must be a woman, a dumb one at that
Oh she is a woman, but certainly not dumb, I can attest to that.
240 & Original Sin are right, AMI needs to write this off and be done with it. It is not worth the bad PR...
Well, if this was just about the ticket and hotel, they would write it off. Truth is, they are pissed becasue Lee is the ONLY ifbb pro with balls to compete in the PDI, everyone else is just plain scared. Shit, I know a certain pro who wnats to train with me, but won't train at his normal gym, because he does not want weinberger to see us together....That is just ridiculous.
Oh, and Original sin is right, chick is about bashing pdi, because thats what they want hi to do, thats why he bashes me....We are a threat, I know chick you are gonna say"we don't matter, we have not even had a show" and yet, you talk more about us than your own Olympia....TOo obvious, sorry.
good call original sin, you see more than I thought.
Bingo
They don't care about bad PR, because they know bodybuilding fans are suckers who, by and large, will not put our money where our mouths are. If I live in the U.S. and want to see the best bodybuilders in the world, the IFBB is the only option I have. So, no matter how much I might gripe about IFBB-this and IFBB-that, at the end of the day, I'm still going to pay to attend 4-5 shows a year.
Well, if this was just about the ticket and hotel, they would write it off. Truth is, they are pissed becasue Lee is the ONLY ifbb pro with balls to compete in the PDI, everyone else is just plain scared. Shit, I know a certain pro who wnats to train with me, but won't train at his normal gym, because he does not want weinberger to see us together....That is just ridiculous.
Oh, and Original sin is right, chick is about bashing pdi, because thats what they want hi to do, thats why he bashes me....We are a threat, I know chick you are gonna say"we don't matter, we have not even had a show" and yet, you talk more about us than your own Olympia....TOo obvious, sorry.
good call original sin, you see more than I thought.
For the last time....THIS IS NOT AN PDI ISSUE.
No one made it a PDI issue, except for PDI supporters.
I talked to Robin Chang about this matter 4 days ago. I have all the facts right.
There is no disputing that a ticket was issued for Lee to compete in the Olympia.
There is no disputing that Lee did NOT compete in the Olympia.
There is no disputing the fact that Lee did use the ticket for his own personal use.
As Robin paid for the ticket, he has every right to expect a refund from Lee.
Jim Manion merely requested a letter of apology be written for BREAKING the contract...he has nothing to do with expenses/ promotion of the Olympia.
None of this came to light until Robin tried to use the flight credit THIS year, which he found out, was already used.
Jack-
Your post makes no sense whatsoever..
Why would the IFBB be pissed? If he competes in the PDI, he'll be suspended anyway...
You can't be a threat when the NOC has a less than 50% chance of even taking place....you also can't be considered a threat with the line-up they are currently advertising...
It's a nice little BB federation that caters to guys who couldn't cut it in the NPC (much like yourself,Jack..) and others who are in the position of not being in the top 3/4 of the best. It is what it is...comparing it to the IFBB is a joke.
Lee has done nothing to date..only expressed an interest to compete in a non-sanctioned show. If and when he steps on that stage, only then will action be taken....thinking this is in some way a defience from Robin Chang, is laughable...
Now for something completely different....
Dear Bob,
What ever came out of your representation to the IFBB for Dennis James (and others) lack of prize money. Were you ever able to get the billion dollar corporation to at least cover the monies owed to the IFBB Athletes? I am sure in the time that you sat down with them in the meeting the intrest alone from the capital of the corporation more then covered the costs.
No, I presented it..it was rejected and the responsibility put on the promoters shoulders.
I then preceded to make a proposal to the IFBB to cover all purses, as they are the sanctioning body...it was subsequently passed.
All shows are guaranteed now.
Shawn just shows how little you know :-* ;)
For the last time....THIS IS NOT AN PDI ISSUE.
No one made it a PDI issue, except for PDI supporters.
I talked to Robin Chang about this matter 4 days ago. I have all the facts right.
There is no disputing that a ticket was issued for Lee to compete in the Olympia.
There is no disputing that Lee did NOT compete in the Olympia.
There is no disputing the fact that Lee did use the ticket for his own personal use.
As Robin paid for the ticket, he has every right to expect a refund from Lee.
Jim Manion merely requested a letter of apology be written for BREAKING the contract...he has nothing to do with expenses/ promotion of the Olympia.
None of this came to light until Robin tried to use the flight credit THIS year, which he found out, was already used.
That's too low.
My sponsored athletes get $100/day per diem and I'm willing to bet that AMI made a *lot* more money than me last year.
Mr. Rhino who are you again? Why havent I heard of you?
1. Did they issue you flight tickets for last years show?
2. Did you use them for a different flight?
3. Did they agree that you could change the tickets?
If 1 and 2 are true but 3 is false then you owe them the tickets and it is not unreasonable for them to expect you to pay for your tickets this year.
Actually, now that you mention it, I remember hearing that story somewhere. Don't you think that he had reasons for saying that to Twinlab though? You pulling out of the show at the last minute was a big blow to the Olympia last year as you were one of the favorite athlete. Many people came all the way from Australia with their family just to see you compete, I remember reading their posts on the boards and their were so dissapointed/pissed off that you did not. You did not seem to care back then, you just said, I had to do what I had to do.
You are right with the fact that the new venue had a few technical problems last year but you have to remember that after spending so many years at the Mandalay, they had things down, this was the 1st year at a new Casino, I'm sure this year, a lot of the bugs will be worked out and the show will run lot smoother, don't you agree?
Lastly, why were you so personal in your attack at Robin in the mags? Did he do something to you on a personal level? What you said wasn't cool, you have to know that.
This is so simple I can't believe it's gone 5 pages...
1. First, it's NOT AN IFBB MATTER...it's an issue between Robin (promoter) and Lee (athlete).
2. To LEE:
DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT USE THE TICKET FOR PERSONAL USE?
So AMI has no agreement with the IFBB for the O and doesn't need to follow their contracts with IFBB Pros? Still sounds like an issue for the athletes rep.
OH SHIT BOB WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON?I SAID YES BUT THAT WAS AFTER I WAS TOLD I DIDNT HAVE TO PAY IT BACK.UNDERSTAND THAT NOW DO WE.IT WAS IN MY NAME LIKE YOU SAID WHAT COULD THEY DO WITH IT.NOW THEY HAVE ANOTHER IN MY NAME. WE BOTH SIGNED THE CONTRACT FOR THIS YEAR STAING PLANE WOULD BE PAID FOR.HE KNEW THAT WAS IN THERE HE SIGNED IT.OR IS THE CONTRACT LIKE THE RULES YOU CAN PICK AND CHOOSE AND CHANGE THINGS WHENEVER.
GUYS...
Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill...
Let's not start reciting language of contracts and such.
I know Lee likes to spout off about the rules being followed and such...but lets not forget, he wasn't fined OR suspended despite breaking the Olympia contract last year.
Yes, he had to simply write a letter of apology, which he did...the "ticket matter" wasn't even thought of until Robin went to use the credit THIS year. You think with the Olympia prep and aftermath last year, that the first thing on Robins mind was a lousy $400 ticket?
The issue is overblown...Lee's company (Twinlab) will cover the flight anyway, I believe the hotel rsvp is still there as usual.
If there is anything Lee requests of me, he can simply pick up the phone or email me...
But it's flattering that Lee used the ticket for personal use instead of the Olympia?
No matter how you slice it...why should Robin have to buy ANOTHER ticket for Lee?
As I stated earlier in this thread, ultimately...they would be exchanging $20 bills.
How is it that Robin is the bad guy? Was he supposed to buy a ticket for Lee and whoever to go on vacation?
Ah Lee, so you wanna spill the beans or address your legions of Fans with what I dont know?
What exactly do you mean, did I miss something here?
Why dont you explain for us Superman :-*
Lee & a friend used last year's plane tix for a trip not related to the Mr. O. :o
Lee, the right thing to do was simply send the IFBB their money back when you decided to use them for personal use but then again that would have gone against who you are.
Out.
OH SHIT BOB WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON?I SAID YES BUT THAT WAS AFTER I WAS TOLD I DIDNT HAVE TO PAY IT BACK.
about a lousy $400 ticket
Don't poopoo $400.
With that kinda loot, you can get a complete website, start to finish, and still have enough money left over to buy a delicious, romantic dinner for two!
I do think that $99 is a little high for a lobster dinner, but that's because I consider Red Lobster to be fine dining.
Lee-Hey Chick at what point do you accept your postion as the ATHLETES REP ::) ::) ::) or is that the IFBB KISS ASS I mean really Bob you ought to be ashamed of yourself. I mean you are always patting yourself on the back on how great of a job you are doing for the athletes ::) ::) ::) We can see how much you really do for the athletes ;) It is quite clear Bob. Keep up the good work Bob.
At what point do YOU accept responsibility for YOUR own actions?
You bail on the Olympia contract, after the show was promoted, after the arrangements were made, after many of your fans had already booked THEIR tickets, etc...
Now, this year you decide to sign the same contract as last year, after trashing the IFBB, Robin Chang, the Olympia, etc.....and you've got the balls to bitch about a lousy $400 ticket that YOU already used...???
Hey Chick at what point do you accept your postion as the ATHLETES REP ::) ::) ::) or is that the IFBB KISS ASS I mean really Bob you ought to be ashamed of yourself. I mean you are always patting yourself on the back on how great of a job you are doing for the athletes ::) ::) ::) We can see how much you really do for the athletes ;) It is quite clear Bob. Keep up the good work Bob.
I do think that $99 is a little high for a lobster dinner, but that's because I consider Red Lobster to be fine dining.
Well, we won't be dating :-\
Come on Baby, anywhere you want...sky's the limit
Well that is focusing, but not on the right thing :-*
For the last time....THIS IS NOT AN PDI ISSUE.
No one made it a PDI issue, except for PDI supporters.
I talked to Robin Chang about this matter 4 days ago. I have all the facts right.
There is no disputing that a ticket was issued for Lee to compete in the Olympia.
There is no disputing that Lee did NOT compete in the Olympia.
There is no disputing the fact that Lee did use the ticket for his own personal use.
As Robin paid for the ticket, he has every right to expect a refund from Lee.
Jim Manion merely requested a letter of apology be written for BREAKING the contract...he has nothing to do with expenses/ promotion of the Olympia.
None of this came to light until Robin tried to use the flight credit THIS year, which he found out, was already used.
Thanks Tre,
For some reason, the peanut gallery seems to think that as Athletes Rep...My job is to call all 250 athletes every day and see what I can help them out with...
Lee never contacted me reguarding this matter, and still has not requested I do anything on his behalf...his recourse was to have his friend (HRDCORE) post it here online..
did chang ask for the money back after lee announced he was doing the pdi...and this doesnt mean I am a pdi supporter just curious
very interesting reading though
Robin didn't ask for the money back, as he believed there was a credit sitting there to be used THIS year...when he went to use the credit, it was discovered there was no credit as Lee had used it for his own personal vacation...THAT'S when he (Robin) stated that he would not be picking up the airfare portion as it was already used.
Thanks Tre,
For some reason, the peanut gallery seems to think that as Athletes Rep...My job is to call all 250 athletes every day and see what I can help them out with...
Lee never contacted me regarding this matter, and still has not requested I do anything on his behalf...his recourse was to have his friend (HRDCORE) post it here online..
Maybe it is just me, but if your going to speak on this issue or any other as the IFBB Liason, you should have at least talked to both parties in question FIRST. Your position dictates a certain amount of professional to be maintained.
The resentful Peanut Galley has spoken
Well, we won't be dating :-\
You can't be a threat when the NOC has a less than 50% chance of even taking place
Free Shawn's mom.
The IFBB does not want Lee Priest at the Olympia and if he shows up, he will be escorted out of the building.
Chang has every right to take action for last year's contract issues. But this is a different contract. Chang should not have offered it to Lee if Chang was unhappy about last year. I don't see where Chang has any legal basis to break the contract here.
No one made it a PDI issue, except for PDI supporters. Oh yes it is a PDI issue.
For some reason, the peanut gallery seems to think that as Athletes Rep...My job is to call all 250 athletes every day and see what I can help them out with...
So you would only date a guy who is willing to drop $100 on dinner often?
Au Digger.
Damn proud of it! 8)
You get what you pay for ;)
that should be open ended enough for a few good comments :-*
Nothing is broken. Simple fact. If Lee wants the ticket, he needs to pay for it, because the credit for that ticket has been used for personal use. It is so simple. I don't care what competitor it is - the same goes for anyone.
Oh Great and powerful Ron,
Why is there no thread listing info about the NOC? You have started many about the Olympia which is great but why not one about the NOC. Until it fails or not we as fans have to assume that it will go on. So shouldn't fans of Body Building at least be able to use Getbig as a place to get some kind of info?
Just my $10
(a Gold Digger has got to have standards) ;D
Lee-
At what point do YOU accept responsibility for YOUR own actions?
You bail on the Olympia contract, after the show was promoted, after the arrangements were made, after many of your fans had already booked THEIR tickets, etc...
Now, this year you decide to sign the same contract as last year, after trashing the IFBB, Robin Chang, the Olympia, etc.....and you've got the balls to bitch about a lousy $400 ticket that YOU already used...???
One question..
Is this the first post you post for someone else?
At least you tried to make the post into your own by writing that part about Gold Digger...
YIP
Zack
https://eitin.travelinc.com/ViewItin.cfm?i=44J66UI
Where does it say it's cancelled? :-\
Thanks Tre,
For some reason, the peanut gallery seems to think that as Athletes Rep...My job is to call all 250 athletes every day and see what I can help them out with...
Lee never contacted me reguarding this matter, and still has not requested I do anything on his behalf...his recourse was to have his friend (HRDCORE) post it here online..
Robin didn't ask for the money back, as he believed there was a credit sitting there to be used THIS year...when he went to use the credit, it was discovered there was no credit as Lee had used it for his own personal vacation...THAT'S when he (Robin) stated that he would not be picking up the airfare portion as it was already used.OH AND WERE WAS MY VACTION TO MR I KNOW ALL.DO TELL THE PEANUT GALLERY.JUST CHECK TO MAKE SURE I USED IT FIRST MR KNOW IT ALL. ;)
Though I am not a lawyer, from what I know - this could be a legal problem for AMI (as much as it sounds like it couldn't be). When a contract is broken - and yes there is a signed contract for the 2006 Olympia stating they will pay Lee's airfare - that can mean the entire contract is null and void. So if any of Lee's images are used before, during, or after the show - there could be legal ramifications (since the that same contract is what gives them permission to do so). That's how contracts can work in the legal system - once one party doesn't hold their end of the bargain, all bets are off...
Thanks Tre,
For some reason, the peanut gallery seems to think that as Athletes Rep...My job is to call all 250 athletes every day and see what I can help them out with...
Lee never contacted me reguarding this matter, and still has not requested I do anything on his behalf...his recourse was to have his friend (HRDCORE) post it here online..
BUT NEW YEAR 2006 NEW SIGNED CONTRACT STATING WHAT I WILL RECIEVE WHEN SIGNED NOW AMI HAS BROKEN THAT CONTRACT VOIDED ONCE AGAIN.
The 2006 contract states that an airline ticket will be provided, not how. So, unless you had permission from the promoter to change your 2005 itinerary, you have used the ticket that remained credited to you for this show.
The 2006 contract states that an airline ticket will be provided, not how. So, unless you had permission from the promoter to change your 2005 itinerary, you have used the ticket that remained credited to you for this show.
The 2006 contract states that an airline ticket will be provided, not how. So, unless you had permission from the promoter to change your 2005 itinerary, you have used the ticket that remained credited to you for this show.
It is when i asked - do i have to pay it back and was told no - just write a letter. Now 12 months later after buying my new ticket and signing the contract stating that they cancell it. MMMMMMMMMMM
Lee your not fooling anybody, you are not doing the NOC. Good luck at the O ;D
That contract those guys sign is so full of holes anyway. It's nickname is "swiss cheese". I can't believe the legal eagles at Weider or the IFBB have such an amateurish contract in the first place. I do know for a fact though the pros do not like a complicated contract. Keep it simple, less strain on the brain.
one of these days a bb that has a lawyer friend will sue them
Bbers are too busy suing fans and message board jackasses.*golf clap* Well played, Sir. ;D
Thanks Tre,Let me guess Bob you are way to busy kissing the IFBB's ass. I know you and Shawn take extra shifts but lets try and make some time for the athletes. ;)
For some reason, the peanut gallery seems to think that as Athletes Rep...My job is to call all 250 athletes every day and see what I can help them out with...
Lee never contacted me reguarding this matter, and still has not requested I do anything on his behalf...his recourse was to have his friend (HRDCORE) post it here online..
Once again, what is so hard to understand here. Lee admitted he used the ticket that was supposed to be for the Olympia for personal use. Some $420 worth of credit. So either he reimburses AMI for last years ticket, and they pay this years tickets, or vice versa. This is Business 101 guys!
But it sounds like Lee is not going to pay it. So what is AMI to do? Send him to collections? Go to court? For $400? I doubt it...
Bob like we said it was in the contract. Mr Chang had plenty of time to ask for the money back - i offered it was not taken up. This year is a different contract. WHAT CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND. SO PLEASE AMI PAYS YOU - WHAT ELSE ARE YOU GOING TO SAY. LAST YEARS IS OLD NEWS BIG BOY - OVER AND DONE. THIS IS A NEW YEAR - A NEW SIGNED CONTRACT. BUT KEEP BRINGING UP THE OLD IF IT JUSTIFIES YOUR BULLSHIT LOGIC.
YEAH LOUSY 400 AND THEY MAKE HOW MUCH - WHO IS THE ONES BITCHING - NOT ME - LIKE I SAID TWINLAB WILL PICK UP THE TAB IT JUST COMES DOWN TO THEM NOW BREAKING A SIGNED CONTRACT WHICH YOU LOOK DOWN UPON SO MUCH DON'T YOU BOB? CAUSE YOU KEEP BRINGING IT UP. NOW MR CHANG BREAKS HIS END OF THE SIGNED CONTRACT THATS OK. YOU MIGHT ALSO WANT TO CHECK WHEN LAST YEARS TICKET WAS BOUGHT - THATS RIGHT BOB YOU ONLY HAVE 12 MONTHS BEFORE IT CAN'T BE USED.
All of this is academic, of course, when you compete in the NOC...so what areb you arguing the point for? ;D
Robin wasn't goping to ask for the money back...he was going to use it THIS year for your expenses.
YOU already used it...What is your justification for using a ticket for yourself?
Yeah, check the date Lee...The Olympia is earlier this year...so I'm sure they checked before it was to expire.
No matter how you try and spin it lee...you're in the wrong. It wasn't your ticket to do whatever you wanted to..it was for the sole purpose of competing in thee Olympia...which you did not.
So you expect Robin to eat it, and buy you a ticket for this year?? LOLOLOL...you are one funny mofo..
Who's to say you don't bail out again? All of this is academic, of course, when you compete in the NOC...so what areb you arguing the point for? ;D
Holy lack of neutrality, batman!
Robin wasn't going to ask for the money back...he was going to use it THIS year for your expenses.
YOU already used it...What is your justification for using a ticket for yourself? Yeah, check the date Lee...The Olympia is earlier this year...so I'm sure they checked before it was to expire. No matter how you try and spin it lee...you're in the wrong. It wasn't your ticket to do whatever you wanted to..it was for the sole purpose of competing in the Olympia...which you did not. So you expect Robin to eat it, and buy you a ticket for this year?? LOLOLOL...you are one funny mofo.. Who's to say you don't bail out again? All of this is academic, of course, when you compete in the NOC and are suspended...so what are you arguing the point? ;D BTW...I'll personally guarantee nothing happens to you in reguards to doing other things required of you at the Olympia...no problem. Do you really think anyone cares if you show up at the press conference, or participate in the Meet the Olympians night (soley for the purpose of YOU making money)...or do the DVD? Much like last year...if you don't like it...DON'T COMPETE.
You are sitting there making up stupid questions for the press conference to bore us all again.
Why is there no thread listing info about the NOC? You have started many about the Olympia which is great but why not one about the NOC.
I'm being neutral...I'm here to explain the facts.
fact is, unless Lee gets smart in the next 3 weeks...he'll be suspended. those are the rules.
If the promoter was going to use Lee's LAST years plane tix for THIS years olympia he simply would NOT have sent out OR signed a 2006 contract (which states plane tix included) without making an amendment to it. That's simple and the bottom line. What's morally right or correct or the right thing to do is completely irrelavant here.
Just like in all sports certain athletes sell tickets. In the "game " of Bodybuilding Lee Priest sells tix...I would say maybe more than any other pro except for Ronnie Coleman and as many as Jay Cutler. The promoter has benifitted greatly from Lee Priest being in their contest. If they got to eat a plane tix because he used it big deal. You can not depend on last years contract, whether he competed or not, to mean anything this year.
I'm being neutral...I'm here to explain the facts.
fact is, unless Lee gets smart in the next 3 weeks...he'll be suspended. those are the rules.
I do get it. In this particular case though the promoter is hurting himself by not checking up with Lee about the tix BEFORE sending out the contract. if he simply made a phone call he could have ameded the contract and there would be no problems....Hopefully.
Hopefully the promoter and IFBB will allow Lee to compete at the Olympia. he could take care of his tix, compete at the Olympia then the NOC and maybe wake up the rest of the competitors in the IFBB so that they all realize the IFBB and weider have gotten very rich while you dig into your savings to pay your food bill each week.
I do get it. In this particular case though the promoter is hurting himself by not checking up with Lee about the tix BEFORE sending out the contract. if he simply made a phone call he could have ameded the contract and there would be no problems.
Hopefully the promoter and IFBB will allow Lee to compete at the Olympia. he could take care of his tix, compete at the Olympia then the NOC and maybe wake up the rest of the competitors in the IFBB so that they all realize the IFBB and weider have gotten very rich while you dig into your savings to pay your food bill each week.
How long is this same conversation going to last?THe same thing over and over. Your killing me.
i think lee is trying to establish the fact that the contract has been broken, so he can disregard any requirements at the O without being subject to punitive action
this thread is hilarious....
Bob somehow finds Lee at fault (again) and Chang/AMI justified in their actions..
but guess what...Bob is on the AMI payroll!! what a coincidence!
Bob is also the IFBB athletes rep.. however he has done more to represent AMI/IFBB
in this particular dispute.
maybe because
1) IFBB hates Lee for speaking his mind
2) IFBB hates Lee for talking about defecting
3) AMI hates Lee for backing out of the olympia
3) Jim Manion = IFBB
4) Robin Chang = AMI
4) Bob takes directions from Jim Manion
5) Bob also takes directions from Robin Chang
6) Bob cannot differentiate the 2005 olympia contract from the 2006 olympia contract
This is so simple I can't believe it's gone 5 pages...
1. First, it's NOT AN IFBB MATTER...it's an issue between Robin (promoter) and Lee (athlete).
No one cares if Lee chooses to participate in anything else...believe me.
Well - this year, it will be a press conference, if the press actually decide to ask a question. I was guilty of not asking a question either last year. So this year, after the Montreal show, I will put up a section, for anyone who wants us press guys to ask various questions that are interesting. Should be good and entertaining.
just have to step up for Robin.
He is a straight up guy. For as long as I've known him (many years), he has been a man of integrity. He has always been fair in his business dealings. In fact, he is very generous. He's just a plain nice guy!
When I hear people talk smack about Robin Chang, I can assume they don't know him.
In my opinion, most of the beef people have with Robin, is really a beef with AMI or the IFBB and they just take it out on him.
Lee doesn't have a problem with it Marc..you do.
You brought this on yourself, lee...
Why do you believe you were owed a free ticket?
Mark just bang your head on the wall like me it really feels good
Oh are you talking to me. BLAH BLAH BLAH BOB.
BOB YOU WORK FOR AMI WE UNDERSTAND SO SPARE US THE BLAH BLAH BLAH.BORING
END OF STORY, OUT ,DISMISS, OVER UNDER ,RODGER RODGER.
Ok my last post on this.A message was left by Mr Changs secratary saying he was on plane gong to New York and would call.End of day no call(wow suprise).End of story.Are you sure he wasn't on his way to Bobs house to give him his new and improved puppet strings :D
Mark just bang your head on the wll like me it really feels good :)
You love the attention dont you
Well - this year, it will be a press conference, if the press actually decide to ask a question. I was guilty of not asking a question either last year. So this year, after the Montreal show, I will put up a section, for anyone who wants us press guys to ask various questions that are interesting. Should be good and entertaining.
There have been many threads of the NOC and PDI on this board. Free speech. But the Olympia, a 4-day weekend event with 4 major shows gets into own board. Absolutely.
You brought this on yourself, lee...
Why do you believe you were owed a free ticket?
Nice response, Lee...try answering the question.OH BOB I HAVE OVER AND OVER.WHAT IS WRONG WITH OU STERIODS AND OLD AGE MAKE YOU DEAF? :)
Nice response, Lee...try answering the question.
I just have to step up for Robin.
He is a straight up guy. For as long as I've known him (many years), he has been a man of integrity. He has always been fair in his business dealings. In fact, he is very generous. He's just a plain nice guy!
When I hear people talk smack about Robin Chang, I can assume they don't know him.
In my opinion, most of the beef people have with Robin, is really a beef with AMI or the IFBB and they just take it out on him.
Ummm since you are on about having questions answered, can you answer all my questions , please :-*
Gotta admit this is fun !!
Once again, what is so hard to understand here. Lee admitted he used the ticket that was supposed to be for the Olympia for personal use. Some $420 worth of credit. So either he reimburses AMI for last years ticket, and they pay this years tickets, or vice versa. This is Business 101 guys!
Hey, Bob, whenever there's a something going on regarding Priest you always sound a 'bit' harsh on the guy's ass, why is that so? I've been noticing this for a while, and it only stands to reason figuring out that you might have something against the little guy on a personal level, am I right?
Now, if that rings true, would that be because Lee is an accomplished bodybuilder, with years and years of exposure and a great fan base within the bb community, and you NOT? Would that be because Lee is 1000 times (and some more) the bodybuilder you would ever dream to be, and never will? Would that because Lee fucked one of your past girlfriends and you didn't get over it like a man, or had the balls to set him straight because of it at teh time? Tell us Bob, what the f u c k is your problem with Priest? I have never seen you speak one good thing about the guy, not even a compliment for the physique he posses, or his history in the IFBB. It's always good to remember you that while you were banging constantly at the pros' door in the IFBB, Lee was already competing with the top dogs, and stomping on the O stage with the likes of Levrone and the Shadow - AT THE ELDER AGE OF 22!!!!!! :o Sounds good , doesn't it? You 're now what? 40? 50? Do you think you still have something left on you to hit the stage, besides stiring commotion and gossiping around here all day? I'm surprised that you didn't (yet) have the same end that the piece of shit of your friend called Tom Prince had, since you were/are like milk and coffee......well, good for you, i guess.
Now do all of us a favor, and at least ONCE, do something for a coleague and help out a fellow pro to set this trouble straight. Notice I didn't even ONCE said Priest was right, here. All I'm asking you is to be HELPFUL, as in fulfilling YOUR role as the athlete's representative, and help one of them easy up the trouble that he got himself into. That's all. Do something out of altruism, and for once, at least once, don't kiss IFBB/AMI butt, ok?!
Thanx!!
But why would Robyn wait to now to be concerned about the events of last year , it was negotiated and put to rest last year on the events of 2005 in regards to lee , why buy Lees ticket this year and then cancel it (against the agreed contract)now ?? And why get Jim Manion to tell lee about it , why didnt Robyn talk to lee hymself ??
questions like these from past posts you mean ??
Is the Olympia a IFBB sanctioned show ??
Is Lee a IFBB PRO??
Did you hold a IFBB Pro meeting at this IFBB show last year ??
Are you the IFBB Pro Athlete Rep??
Heres some more questions
Who Appointed you IFBB PRO REP?
Who do you work for at the Olympia weekend?
what I want to know is why cant a athlete individually negotiate a contract with a promoter, lets say Ronnie and Jay decided they wanted more or something changed in the contract before they committed to showing , would they have the ability to negotiate this or is it just a closed shop ,end of story deal !!
Maybe you should of called him on the PHONE and said that Lee had a problem, instead of posting it on an internet board, by which you probably thought that you could whip the frenzy up,(which you did), and also putting Chick on the spot.
I just have to step up for Robin.
He is a straight up guy. For as long as I've known him (many years), he has been a man of integrity. He has always been fair in his business dealings. In fact, he is very generous. He's just a plain nice guy!
When I hear people talk smack about Robin Chang, I can assume they don't know him.
In my opinion, most of the beef people have with Robin, is really a beef with AMI or the IFBB and they just take it out on him.
Basically Chic you had a choice when I posted this dilemma from the very start in that you could have come on the Board ( as you like to do) and said something to the effect of " shit , really I didn't know about this , I will endeavour to contact lee and Robyn and sort this shit out as it does no one any good to have this feud going on , the Olympia will benefit by having lee at there show and lee will benefit by competting at the show , I will do my up most to have this situation sorted ASAP for all concerned " or you could have chosen to bag lee, to alienate yourself from the athlete you are meant to represent and side with the promoter, to let all know you don't care what happens to lee and that no one would miss him from competting ,ever , unfortunately you chose the later , bad choice really , you should have been able to put your personal view's aside and act for the athlete concerned , but you didn't , oh well !!!
Thanks for answering my questions though , much apreciated :D
And maybe by me posting this I acheived exactly what I thought I would acheive ;)
Aside from making fools of yourselves,You achieved two things...Jack and Shit.
OH BOB I HAVE OVER AND OVER.WHAT IS WRONG WITH OU STERIODS AND OLD AGE MAKE YOU DEAF? :)i didn't think lee could be any dumber... i stand corrected. superman is officially smokin' kryptonite ::)
I KNOW DOING WHAT YOUR DOING WILL MAKE YOU BLIND :P
He owes Robin for a ticket, plain and simple...there is no interpretation, and certainly nothing I can do. Lee knew damn well that ticket wasn't his to do as he wished...it belonged to Robin Chang as Lee didn't compete. PERIOD.
Lee said, f**k the Olympia, f**k Robin Chang, f**k the contract and f**k the IFBB...now he want's consideration for a ticket he used after breaking the contract?? Are you serious?
man, he owes for the 2005 ticket, which was included in the 05 contract.
this has nothing to do with the 2006 contract, which says that chang will send him a ticket.
how can you tease people and lecture on 'business 101' when it's clear you don't understand a basic contract?
Everybody keeps talking about contracts, what about talking about "the right thing to do" does that matter at all in anything? What about values?
What would have been the right thing to do after the O last year? Doesn't anybody know the difference between right and wrong anymore?
Heres your basic contract, genius...
The ticket that was to be used THIS year, was already used by lee....
I got your "business 101"..right heeeeeere!!
Here you go...maybe this will help some of you understand this incredibly complicated situation...
3.8 Failure to Compete: An Athlete who signs a contract to compete and who subsequently fails to do so will be subject to a US $5,000.00 fine and a suspension from all Pro League competitions for a period to be determined by the Pro Committee. If the failure occurs at the Olympia competition, the fine will be US $10,000.00. If the reason for not competing is medical in nature, the Athlete must report to a doctor selected by the Pro Committee, at his or her own expense, to prove the illness.
3.9 Reimbursement to Promoter: Any Athlete who signs a Competition Contract to compete and who subsequently fails to do so, whether such failure occurs before the competition or during the competition, for whatever reason (including medical), must reimburse the Promoter any and all expenses incurred by the Promoter on the athlete’s behalf. Failure to reimburse the Promoter will result in the Athlete being placed under suspension until all expenses are paid in full.
So you are telling me that you think that Lee did the right thing? Just curious.
If the promoter was going to use Lee's LAST years plane tix for THIS years olympia he simply would NOT have sent out OR signed a 2006 contract (which states plane tix included) without making an amendment to it. That's simple and the bottom line. What's morally right or correct or the right thing to do is completely irrelavant here.
Just like in all sports certain athletes sell tickets. In the "game " of Bodybuilding Lee Priest sells tix...I would say maybe more than any other pro except for Ronnie Coleman and as many as Jay Cutler. The promoter has benifitted greatly from Lee Priest being in their contest. If they got to eat a plane tix because he used it big deal. You can not depend on last years contract, whether he competed or not, to mean anything this year.
How long is this same conversation going to last?THe same thing over and over. Your killing me.
Bob somehow finds Lee at fault (again) and Chang/AMI justified in their actions.. but guess what...Bob is on the AMI payroll!!
Lee should pay for the ticket he used... Robin should pick up this years ticket.
This is absolutely true, anybody who had the chance to deal with Robin will tell you that he has integrity and is just a good person
LOL! Well Robin Chang can chime in at any time...
Here you go...maybe this will help some of you understand this incredibly complicated situation...
3.8 Failure to Compete: An Athlete who signs a contract to compete and who subsequently fails to do so will be subject to a US $5,000.00 fine and a suspension from all Pro League competitions for a period to be determined by the Pro Committee. If the failure occurs at the Olympia competition, the fine will be US $10,000.00. If the reason for not competing is medical in nature, the Athlete must report to a doctor selected by the Pro Committee, at his or her own expense, to prove the illness.
3.9 Reimbursement to Promoter: Any Athlete who signs a Competition Contract to compete and who subsequently fails to do so, whether such failure occurs before the competition or during the competition, for whatever reason (including medical), must reimburse the Promoter any and all expenses incurred by the Promoter on the athlete’s behalf. Failure to reimburse the Promoter will result in the Athlete being placed under suspension until all expenses are paid in full.
Here you go...maybe this will help some of you understand this incredibly complicated situation...
3.8 Failure to Compete: An Athlete who signs a contract to compete and who subsequently fails to do so will be subject to a US $5,000.00 fine and a suspension from all Pro League competitions for a period to be determined by the Pro Committee. If the failure occurs at the Olympia competition, the fine will be US $10,000.00. If the reason for not competing is medical in nature, the Athlete must report to a doctor selected by the Pro Committee, at his or her own expense, to prove the illness.
3.9 Reimbursement to Promoter: Any Athlete who signs a Competition Contract to compete and who subsequently fails to do so, whether such failure occurs before the competition or during the competition, for whatever reason (including medical), must reimburse the Promoter any and all expenses incurred by the Promoter on the athlete’s behalf. Failure to reimburse the Promoter will result in the Athlete being placed under suspension until all expenses are paid in full.
I know it would be hard to change, but how can this rule by fair (or legal) when there is not a guarantee of compensation when you sign on to compete.
A legal contract does not have to include compensation.
d thats my bottom line , there is no honesty and integrity at the top of the governing body , thus there can be none further down the line !!
Thats my point so obviously made clear for all to see !!
I just hate hypocrits !!
So you are telling me that you think that Lee did the right thing? Just curious.
So using a ticket for a trip that it was not intended for shows honesty and integrity?
I don't think what Lee done is right but either is the fact this is the contract the IFBB gives these guys to compete. It is basically a slave order with absolutely not one thing for the competitor. Contracts should benefit both parties. Where is there a benefit stated in that contract for the competitor.
Kevin even you have to admit that is not an honest contract with integrity in mind. That is a one-sided agreement benefiting and protecting the IFBB. It does absolutely nothing to support the actual person who the contest is put on for. Like I said, the competitors should strike the Olympia until the contract and other issues are resolved. In fact even if the top 5 or 10 competitors only competed and the other 15 competitors went on strike it would affect the Olympia greatly. What kind of contests would their be if only 10 guys showed up. The IFBB would be forced to bend greatly.
Hey Lee:)yeah sure....the general public is so interested in hearing about the life of bodybuilders
Would it not be cool if Michael Moore himself would make an investigative documentary on the IFBB, kind of like Fahrenheit 911?
Damn those guys have graveyards in their closets....
The Olympia contract is no different to those of other sports where athletes are competing for prize money. It sets out what the promoter offers and what he expects in return. The promoter offers a venue, travel, hotel etc. and the prize money. In return he expects the athlete to compete and help promote the event. This is the basis of all sports contracts.
Do you propose that athletes go on strike for all bodybuilding events where a similar contract applies? If so, there will be no IFBB, NABBA or PDI shows for in the future.
I don't know what contracts you have looked at, but this 1/2 page contract isn't even close to what any other sport uses. Not even close. Where is there anything in that contract that;
1. guarantees payment by the promoter
2. Elaborates on room type (I mean can the promoter put the guy up in a motel 6 or seedy place downtown)
3. no mention of any type of airport transfers or transportation to the expo (even though they are required to attend)
4. sets forth any type of minimal provisions while competiting
5. if any provisions were included what type of financial compensation will the competitor recieve
6. no mention of any type of payment for video sales, photos or other instances where their image may be used. And if their image is used illegally does the IFBB provide legal assistance (fully paid for) to go after anyone using their image illegally.
7. no mention of any kind of taking full responsibility if anything of personal value gets stolen from backstage. The IFBB is supposed to provide security and if anything gets stolen the IFBB is 100% responsible.
8. If something happens to a competitors music whereas it screws up so bad the competitors can't pose, what happens.
9. No guaranteed per diem. I know it is paid but is it in writing somewhere and when does it have to be paid. The competitors shoudl recieve the day they arrive at the least
10. It should have some type of compensatory provision if prize money isn't given out on time and if a check bounces
11. there should also be something in these contracts that pays every competitor a minimum of $10,000 plus all expenses leading up to the contest by the IFBB (not the promoter) in case a show is cancelled or postponed.
12. All travel concerning the event should be taken care of. No reimbursements. This means, airfare, cabs, airport transfers, transportation to and from the event and expo. And in reality these guys are professionals and limos should be at their disposal
ANyway there could be allot more. Sorry but this contract is a joke and I think several lawyers that have been on here have said the same thing.
Here you go...maybe this will help some of you understand this incredibly complicated situation...
3.8 Failure to Compete: An Athlete who signs a contract to compete and who subsequently fails to do so will be subject to a US $5,000.00 fine and a suspension from all Pro League competitions for a period to be determined by the Pro Committee. If the failure occurs at the Olympia competition, the fine will be US $10,000.00. If the reason for not competing is medical in nature, the Athlete must report to a doctor selected by the Pro Committee, at his or her own expense, to prove the illness.
3.9 Reimbursement to Promoter: Any Athlete who signs a Competition Contract to compete and who subsequently fails to do so, whether such failure occurs before the competition or during the competition, for whatever reason (including medical), must reimburse the Promoter any and all expenses incurred by the Promoter on the athlete’s behalf. Failure to reimburse the Promoter will result in the Athlete being placed under suspension until all expenses are paid in full.
Be a man Lee and just accept the fact that you went behind Robins back and used the ticket for you own personal use and didnt bother to tell anyone, thinking you would get away with it. You are both in the wrong, just fuckin deal with it and stop whinning. This is startin to sound like a pissing match between a bunch of second graders over who cheated at the marble pit.
One more thing, Marc, dont even think you can call Bob out for dealing with this over the internet. You were the one who chose this route in the first place. How hard would it have been to simply PM Bob, or better yet, Lee do his own dirty work. Onlyme, sounds to me like your boy Lee also has Weideritis or whatever homo name you gave to people who have others do their dirty work. Nothing ever gets done because all you so called "grown up, business men" chose to air your issues over the internet and turn it into a bitch fest with the rest of the getbig needledicks rather than chose the proper process for such matters. When will you wake up and realize that businesses are not run and changed through a fuckin gossip forum?
Mmmmm...how can you compare the Olympia to other sports and those athletes with contracts that make them hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars a year? The athletes in other sports or should I say REAL sports that are recognised by joe public are endorsing big companies and tv stations that are in the public eye it's in their interest to promote their event because they're really getting paid for it.
Maybe it would be a good thing if all the bodybuilders went on strike. The sport really needs to change. The athletes deserve better.
They didn't say not to .....
But did they say you could?
It doesn't say you can't take an item from the supermarket without paying for it, but it doesn't mean we can?
No but they did say when i asked did they want me to pay back any money THEY SAID NO JUST WRITE LETTER.
DO WE UNDERSTAND NOW.They didn't say not to either we can go on all day.
No but they did say when i asked did they want me to pay back any money THEY SAID NO JUST WRITE LETTER.You're right, But it says alot about your character that you would have used it in the first place when you opted out of the Olympia
DO WE UNDERSTAND NOW.They didn't say not to either we can go on all day.
the 2006 contract says that lee will get plane tickets. it says nothing about last year's tickets. read the contract. just cause its convenient for chang to even out for last year - it is not legal for him to demand it.
Here you go...maybe this will help some of you understand this incredibly complicated situation...
3.8 Failure to Compete: An Athlete who signs a contract to compete and who subsequently fails to do so will be subject to a US $5,000.00 fine and a suspension from all Pro League competitions for a period to be determined by the Pro Committee. If the failure occurs at the Olympia competition, the fine will be US $10,000.00. If the reason for not competing is medical in nature, the Athlete must report to a doctor selected by the Pro Committee, at his or her own expense, to prove the illness.
3.9 Reimbursement to Promoter: Any Athlete who signs a Competition Contract to compete and who subsequently fails to do so, whether such failure occurs before the competition or during the competition, for whatever reason (including medical), must reimburse the Promoter any and all expenses incurred by the Promoter on the athlete’s behalf. Failure to reimburse the Promoter will result in the Athlete being placed under suspension until all expenses are paid in full.
I have a pretty simple question: If they couldn't cancel last years ticket because it was bought in Lee's name how were they able to cancel this years ticket? Wouldn't they run into the same issue this year as last year since presumably it was bought in Lee's name again this year? So how could they cancel this years?
I dont mind paying my own way.Twinlab would pay it anyway so i am not bothered.
7. Valuables should be the respnsibility of the individual. I've had lenses stolen while in the pit. My fault. Can't blame anyone else, except the C$%Ts who stole them.
wow all this Lee Priest signed here, he's competing there, he's getting s in another city, he's taking a shit in public restrooms.I see what you are saving Big N, but Lee is the one who brings all his issues on a Gossip and Opinions boardAll we all wanna do is get into Lee's business, i'd say LEAVE THE GUY BE aka LET HIM LIVE
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The contracts may be different years...but the fact remains the same: The ticket was not used for the reason it was bought...it rightfullly stays with the person who purchased it (Robin Chang) to do what he wanted with it....he opted to save it for THIS year.
The 2006 contract states they will supply airfare...they did. Lee used it for something else.
Basic law 101 people....
This is along the same vein you dogged Lee about the NOC DVD Sales with...
Bob please answer the questions
(Maybe I should get 240 to post these, you seem to have a need to answer all his posts and put the "Internet Loser" in his place.)
So again....
Bob,
I have to question you about your stance with Lee. Hopefully you can set me straight about a few things.
You have stated that Lee is a one man show and that is why you cannot support his cause to the brass. You have also stated that you require a majority of the membership to take action (This might not be an accurate paraphrase).
My question is;
The proposals that you got passed for the benefit of the Athletes, which nobody can deny are not a benefit. How did you achieve the majority of the membership vote before you presented them to the brass? Also, with the lack of support shown at your meeting by the athletes, how did you achieve your required majority of voices to present the propals that you are going to present this year?
Depending on what side of the fence you are standing on, Lee's stance could be a benefit for the athlete's as well. Do you decide on personal reasoning which items are worthy and need to be addressed?
Bodybuilding is no different than any other sport apart from the amount of money they earn. It's still beneficial for the athlete to promote the show. Golf is televised around the world but Tiger Woods does not get paid directly by the TV company. It comes by way of prize money which is huge becuase of the amount of sponsorships available.
Until the American Government loses its hard on with Steroids, not one mainstream organization will have anything high profile to do with Body Building. No major corporation is willing to have their name associated with steroids in the spotlight.
Also body building has about 1 millionth of the mass market appeal as Golf. The average fat American can't relate, so there is no money to be made.
it is like the CFL and NFL. I think the NFL league minimum is higher then the salary cap for the CFL.
The NFL has a larger and more marketable audience then the CFL could ever dream for, thus the athletes reap said benefits.
Lee be careful they may still be able to impose these penaltiees. Maybe Adam Empire knows.
Some are saying the ticket and hotel room havenot been cancelled. But if they haven't why would Marc have started this thread.
I see what you are saving Big N, but Lee is the one who brings all his issues on a Gossip and Opinions board
This is really quite simple..
I put together proposals on what I feel best serves the athletes as a whole, based on my personal opinion, observations, and input from the other athletes.
I don't put out a vote on every single proposal to be submitted, as it's not necessary.
A simple show of hand at the meeting is sufficient for me to know what the majority of the athletes attending agree or disagree with...
If athletes are interested in having a say in these matters, than they can attend the meeting...If they don't (which seems to be the case), then I will continue to use my own judgement to get items passed and make positve change for the betterment of the IFBB athletes.
In the case of challenging the rule of competing in non-sanctioned shows...No one else has expressed any interest in it, I don't see a need to challenge it, either...If one of the other reps wish to submit it...thats their right.
(Maybe I should get 240 to post these, you seem to have a need to answer all his posts and put the "Internet Loser" in his place.)
1. This has already been explained by Chic. The IFBB guarantee the prize money. Where is that on the contract I missed it. Or is this something the IFBB just tells everyone.
2. The athletes have rooms at the host hotel. But if they cose to stay at another hotel or maybeat a friends house do they get the cash equivalent paid to them directly. I mean you can't force them to stay there
3. You could put a clause in that the athlete is required to go by supplied transportation. You'd then argue that this restricts the athletes choice ;D Okay, is that in there ???
4. What "minimal provisions" ? To many to list, but I have listed a few already.
5. See "4"
6. Athletes in all sports are expected to promote the event. Be specific about "illegal use" of an image? as you're a little vague. If I take a photo of an athlete on stage, I own the copyright. If it is used by a magazine without my permission I would sue. If the image was used to promote a supplement, then the athlete would sue. But athletes who promote the show are paid (in other sports). There is no guaranteed payment for the guys right now. And unless the competitor signs a release you are not allowed to use their image or you will be sued. Who protects them from usage of their likeness without permission. And if done, does the IFBB pay for the legal fees.
7. Valuables should be the respnsibility of the individual. I've had lenses stolen while in the pit. My fault. Can't blame anyone else, except the C$%Ts who stole them. When a competitor is backstage at an event of world recoginition you would think at least the promoter would have security to insure against theft. If something was to get stolen then it would be the burden of the promoter to show the court they provided ample security and did everything they could to guard againt theft. I wouldn't feel good if I had to worry about my gymbag with cellphone and wallet in it. Obviously you can't guarantee anything but you can do everything in yourpower to prevent it
8. Always have a spare cd of music available. How would you determine blame?
9. I'm sure the per diem was written somewhere? When do they get paid? I don't know but that should be stipulated or the promoter could pay them in 6 months
10. What would consider a fair amount of time? 30 days? 60 days? or 90 days like a lot of the publishing world? Would you expect to establish who was at fault if there was problem with the check? If the bank was to blame, you'd get the compensation from them. I have no idea what I am saying is that it should be included in the contract or the promoter has free reign on when to pay them
11. What sport includes this? So Ronnie would be paid for a full years expenses, while someone who qualifies at the last show would get 4-6 weeks? Ronnie doesn't prepare for the Olympia all year round. Why would you say this. He is fat and sloppy the majority of the year.
12. Limo's would be nice. Yes
Bodybuilding is no different than any other sport apart from the amount of money they earn. It's still beneficial for the athlete to promote the show. Golf is televised around the world but Tiger Woods does not get paid directly by the TV company. It comes by way of prize money which is huge becuase of the amount of sponsorships available.
This is really quite simple..
I put together proposals on what I feel best serves the athletes as a whole, based on my personal opinion, observations, and input from the other athletes. This is the problem. WHat make you think you know what best serves the athletes. Because you have competed for so many years. That may give you some insight but not all. It's obvious by the way you handle things. You do not knowwhat you are doing flat and simple. And can't you see the majority of people on here and other boards and in real life don't think so too. Your personal opinion is NOT your personal opinion. It is what AMI and the IFBB tells you it is. You do exactly what your boss tells you. That is the only reason you have that position. It's not that no one wanted it, it is because they could not find anyone else who would act as their puppet and do exactly what they told you to do. You got your one Pro win out of it. Now resign. Did they promise you another win. The one they gave you is so controversial only a few take it as real. And you have said numerous times the athletes aren't giving you anything. Now you say input from other athletes. Manion, Weider are not athletes.
I don't put out a vote on every single proposal to be submitted, as it's not necessary. WHo decideds it's not necessary. You, Manion or Weider. Every issue that effects the members is obligated to be voted on. WHo gave you the power to change or ad issues that effect many others. Oh sorry I forgot Manion and Weider. I can't believe you actually put this in writing. I am sure the other members love the fact that now one of their own ismaking decisions on their carreers without asking. Good job.
A simple show of hand at the meeting is sufficient for me to know what the majority of the athletes attending agree or disagree with... Only 3 people show up. WHat does this tell you about your leadership skills. Get out while you still can. I highly doubt you can convince the suits to give you another win.
If athletes are interested in having a say in these matters, than they can attend the meeting...If they don't (which seems to be the case), then I will continue to use my own judgement to get items passed and make positve change for the betterment of the IFBB athletes. Okay, you are blind. You are hopelessly infected.
In the case of challenging the rule of competing in non-sanctioned shows...No one else has expressed any interest in it, I don't see a need to challenge it, either...If one of the other reps wish to submit it...thats their right. Sure wouldn't want you to fight for something good for the members. Way to take a stand. You are the type of rep I am sure everyone would want. Give it up already.
This reminds me of a fraternity meeting - six hours to come up with a simple solution that everybody will say it not that simple.
You having a mid-life crisis dear?
This is like the "Nth" time you have brought up tho Olde Frat days. ;D
Go watch Lifetime or bake all the men on getbig some cookies. Run along now
Sounds like a plan...
When you become a man I will let you have a cookie as well.
Im probably old enough to be your father. ::)
No you are wrong. Tiger gets paid by the tournament itself to play in their event. If hetakes last place he is still getting upwards of $1 million just to show up. The promoter is able to use his likeness and promote the fact Tiger will be playing at their event. This happens at allot of events. Notthemajors obviously but the other events yes. Same thing in Tennis and other major individual sports. Anna Kornikova too got as much as $1 million to show up. These names bring in live audience numbers, sponosrhip dollars and TV dollars. It is beneficial for the athlete to promote the showthey are in but they should get paid, especially since what they are doing is putting money in the IFBB and promoters pockets not theirs.Just like Ronnie is being paid to show up after the Olympia at the other shows :)
Sounds like a plan...
When you become a man I will let you have a cookie as well.
Ok we can end arguement SPOKE to Robin we got on fine and all is sorted out.No Problem.
Ok we can end arguement SPOKE to Robin we got on fine and all is sorted out.No Problem.
Excellent. See how easy it is with Robin. Takes care of everything. See you at the Europa Super Show on Saturday. Bring some friends :)SEE YOU THERE RON
Lee offered to Jim Manion to pay something back(alledgedly)...Jim has NOTHING to do with it.
N O T H I N G
SEE YOU THERE RON
I WILL HAVE THE PDI SHIRT ON ;D
Your kidding right , Jim manion is the IFFB Pro president , It is a IFBB PRO Show, he can have as much or as little to do with it as he wants !!!!I already had a post on here about how I am sure Bob will take credit for this yet somehow it got deleted ::) Whats a matter Bob can't handle the truth? :-X
But it is settled and all is fine , no thanks to BOB !!
SEE YOU THERE RONDon't worry Lee Bob and Shawn will be holding hands at the front door handing out there IFBB shirts >:(
I WILL HAVE THE PDI SHIRT ON ;D
Lee good luck in the PDI show, thanks for the Drama
yes !
Marc is the biggest drama queen since 240 or bust ! ;D
yes !
Marc is the biggest drama queen since 240 or bust
Ahhhh drama DUDE actualy , not Queen !!!!! :-*
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Lee good luck in the PDI show, thanks for the Drama ::)doing my best mr. ray impression - tru dat!!
SEE YOU THERE RON
I WILL HAVE THE PDI SHIRT ON ;D