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Title: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: HRDCOR on August 21, 2006, 09:24:19 PM
Well it was bound to happen - just been talking to Lee and Robin Chang has cancelled Lee's plane ticket and hotel accommodation and told Jim Manion that if Lee wanted to do the Olympia - he would have to pay his own way !!!!!

Interesting considering Lee has already signed the Olympia contract and in it, it stipulates that AMI will pay for the above cancelled items -  Robin Chang claims Lee never reimbursed  them for  flights and hotel accommodation from last year, but the funny thing is they have never asked for reimbursement (until today) all they wanted was a letter of apology which was adhered to by his sponsors!! And get this, Lee paid for his own flights last year and never stayed at the hotel at AMIs expense, he stayed at the Hilton apartments organized and paid by Twinlab!!


Chic as athletes rep - do you think you should wade in here and sort this out for lee - I mean lee is a IFBB Pro right !!
Title: Re: The shit has started for preist !!
Post by: Stavios on August 21, 2006, 09:27:40 PM
I like Chick but he doesn't look like a guy who wants to help Lee out  >:(
Title: Re: The shit has started for preist !!
Post by: Jr. Yates on August 21, 2006, 09:30:08 PM
the whole thing is so stupid. The athletes can't do anything...its ridicolous.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: cswol on August 21, 2006, 09:33:03 PM
their not athletes, their slaves.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Miss Karen on August 21, 2006, 09:38:01 PM
Slaves you got that right.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: younggunz on August 21, 2006, 09:38:14 PM
IFBB is a F*&%ing joke!
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Stavios on August 21, 2006, 09:38:39 PM
Marc, you shoud watch your mouth !

Robin Chang owns getbig now  :'(
Title: Re: The shit has started for preist !!
Post by: SteelePegasus on August 21, 2006, 09:39:19 PM
I like Chick but he doesn't look like a guy who wants to help Lee out  >:(

lol, athlete rep..is that what they call it these days?
Title: Re: The shit has started for preist !!
Post by: sgt. d on August 21, 2006, 09:40:05 PM
I like Chick but he doesn't look like a guy who wants to help Lee out  >:(

Nobody takes Lee serious. Why should they?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Bigpump9 on August 21, 2006, 09:41:52 PM
fucking politics in this sport are messed up.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: pushinweight on August 21, 2006, 09:42:28 PM
Chic won't do a thing.  He can't.  He has no real power.  We know why he is there.  And Chang is just another suit playing the game.  
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: HRDCOR on August 21, 2006, 09:43:06 PM
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       Marc, you should watch your mouth !  


Dude I only call as it is , so far as I am aweare we are all still allowed to state the truth and have a opinion , although I could be wrong on this and do stand to be corrected !!
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Stavios on August 21, 2006, 09:43:37 PM
I don't get it when Chick says: Lee is the only athlete who wants to compete for an other federation so I won't do anything.

Since when does a guy need support from the other athlete to make a complaint  ???
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Stavios on August 21, 2006, 09:44:23 PM

Dude I only call as it is , so far as I am aweare we are all still allowed to state the truth and have a opinion , although I could be wrong on this and do stand to be corrected !!

Hey I am on your side Marc

Fuck those bastards
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Robbie on August 21, 2006, 09:45:08 PM
Let assume for moment that we're talking about a 'sport' and its 'athletes'.

Is there any other sporting federation (or governing body) that treates its athletes in such a way?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Ron on August 21, 2006, 09:47:27 PM
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Well it was bound to happen - just been talking to Lee and Robin Chang has cancelled Lee's plane ticket and hotel accommodation and told Jim Manion that if Lee wanted to do the Olympia - he would have to pay his own way !!!!! Interesting considering Lee has already signed the Olympia contract and in it, it stipulates that AMI will pay for the above cancelled items -  Robin Chang claims Lee never reimbursed  them for  flights and hotel accommodation from last year, but the funny thing is they have never asked for reimbursement (until today) all they wanted was a letter of apology which was adhered to by his sponsors!! And get this, Lee paid for his own flights last year and never stayed at the hotel at AMIs expense, he stayed at the Hilton apartments organized and paid by Twinlab!!

First of all, hopefully we can find out exactly what is going on this. Second of all, the IFBB and the promoters AMI are different companies and organizations. They work together on putting on the Olympia, and they can have disagreements. But why cancel the room and plane ticket now instead of two weeks before the show if Lee competes in the PDI.

Now the other issue is flights and accommodations from last year. Did Lee actually sign the contract from last year, and pulled out. What does it say if he pulled out. Did they lose out on airplane fares and hotel rooms, or were they cancelled and used later? This doesn’t make sense here.

But I do agree that Bob, the IFBB rep, can handle this, and set the record straight.


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Robin Chang owns Getbig now

Cool - thanks for letting me know that. I didn't know that. Wow - your information is so good I am truly impressed. Remind me never to let you choose stocks or horses for anyone.

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Is there any other sporting federation (or governing body) that treates its athletes in such a way?

First again, separate the IFBB and AMI (promoters of the Olympia). Second of all - hmmm - record prize money, with the exposure from the Olympia, national recognition, lucrative contracts and so much more.  Someone can break out of the field and with it get the attention. I know of a few companies that are always looking for a few good men.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Shawn Ray on August 21, 2006, 09:49:58 PM
 :o
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Stavios on August 21, 2006, 09:50:11 PM
you know what I meant Ron..
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Miss Karen on August 21, 2006, 09:52:06 PM
No but the problem is so few make any money the rest are way to scared to say anything as they know how they will place next comp.Look at the posing round as Chick has said they took a vote and milos was so much for the vote Yes to keep the posing round and the vote was Yes and Chick has stated they do Not judge the posing round anyway.What a Joke.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: HRDCOR on August 21, 2006, 09:52:58 PM
You would hope that this situation is exactly what they have a Athletes rep for , to act as a mediator between the parties so the best possible outcome can be reached (with his athletes best intrest at heart of course) where both parties are satisfied with the outcome with no residual hard feelings, you would think AMI would want Lee there (being one of the most popular athletes on the planet)but not with any drama , so this is where the Athletes Rep should come into his own and pave a smooth path for Lee,AMI and the fans to travel down to the Olympia .

Should be intresting !
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Anal Iceman Lubeth on August 21, 2006, 09:55:31 PM
just email chang at

rchang@weiderpub.com, this will be resolved with no problem.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Ron on August 21, 2006, 09:58:38 PM
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You would hope that this situation is exactly what they have a Athletes rep for , to act as a mediator between the parties so the best possible outcome can be reached



I  absolutely agree - this is for the IFBB Athletes rep to take care of - because none of us know what exactly is going on...

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Adam Empire on August 21, 2006, 10:02:39 PM
Robin obviously doesn't have much legal sense.  This years flight and accomadations in the contract have nothing to do with last years.  They just can't cancel and try to call it even.  Two separate issues and legal contracts. 

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 21, 2006, 10:03:49 PM
I'm not quite sure what the problem is, exactly...

Lee signed the contract to participate in the Olympia last year.

Lee was compensated by the promoter, airfare and accomodations as per the contract.

Lee opted to not compete in the show for personal reasons.

Some time later, Lee used the tickets for his own personal use...

As per the contract, Lee did not fullfill his part of the deal and should never have used the tickets, thus he technically owes the promoter for the cost of said tickets.

The promoter has already paid airfare ONCE for Lee, why would he pay again?

Am I missing something here?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lift Studios on August 21, 2006, 10:04:27 PM
Marc,

Did Lee go to Bob with this BEFORE you decided to post it here?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Adam Empire on August 21, 2006, 10:06:26 PM
I'm not quite sure what the problem is, exactly...

Lee signed the contract to participate in the Olympia last year.

Lee was compensated by the promoter, airfare and accomodations as per the contract.

Lee opted to not compete in the show for personal reasons.

Some time later, Lee used the tickets for his own personal use...

As per the contract, Lee did not fullfill his part of the deal and should never have used the tickets, thus he technically owes the promoter for the cost of said tickets.

The promoter has already paid airfare ONCE for Lee, why would he pay again?

Am I missing something here?

These are contracts.  He should have canceled LAST YEARS reservations.  He has a contract that states they will be paid for this year and they aren't doing it.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 21, 2006, 10:09:04 PM
As per the contract, Lee did not fullfill his part of the deal and should never have used the tickets, thus he technically owes the promoter for the cost of said tickets.
The promoter has already paid airfare ONCE for Lee, why would he pay again?
Am I missing something here?

I think Adam Empire was right here.   Those are two different contracts.  Chang has every right to take action for last year's contract issues.  But this is a different contract.  Chang should not have offered it to Lee if Chang was unhappy about last year.  I don't see where Chang has any legal basis to break the contract here.  

Who knows.  I'm sure it'll get really ugly on the boards then get settled really fast.  Always does!
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Mydavid on August 21, 2006, 10:09:29 PM
Robin Chang owns getbig now  :'(

Who is Robin Chang? Sorry, i must be out of the loop.

Lisa
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: abz on August 21, 2006, 10:10:05 PM
Wait a minute -

A big question here - does the promoter reimburse the athletes for the rooms and airfare or does the promoter pay for the rooms and airfares themselves.  This is a big question?

If Lee got money from the promoter and then backed out, then Lee needs to pay it back.

So did Lee get money from the promoter or not?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 21, 2006, 10:11:08 PM
Who is Robin Chang? Sorry, i must be out of the loop.

Lisa

Tickets for the events will go on sale at the Orleans Box Office starting March 31st. Watch for more details at www.2006olympia.com , www.ifbb.com, www.flexonline.com and www.muscleandfitness.com starting March 1st. For more information, contact Olympia Weekend Director Robin Chang at 818-595-0466.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 21, 2006, 10:11:27 PM
They were non refundable tickets made in Lee's name, for (2) people I believe...

The promoter should not be responsible for treating lee to fly around the country for his own personal pleasure...the contract was for airfare to VEGAS to COMPETE in the Olympia.

Fair is fair...Technically, Lee owes Robin Chang (promoter) for 2 tickets. Instead of these guys trading $20 bills...Lee can purchase his own tickets, and they're even.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 21, 2006, 10:13:55 PM
If Lee got money from the promoter and then backed out, then Lee needs to pay it back.

The thing is, unless the NEW contract had something written in that said "this contract becomes invalid if Lee doesn't pay back $X from last year", then last year is a separate issue.

It's easy to just say "Let's call it even".  But unless that option is written into the contract, they are two separate contracts and potentially, 2 separate court cases.

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Ron on August 21, 2006, 10:14:36 PM
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Who is Robin Chang? Sorry, i must be out of the loop.

Robin Chang is the main guy behind the Olympia and is the Director of the event. Anything that goes via the Olympia, ok expo, shows, press conference, rooms, planes and other questions are directed to him. He has been very helpful in getting all information and answering all questions that are asked. And also is great at listening to all complaints and criticism in making the Olympia better than ever. Also, a nice guy, but choose to stay out of the limelight.

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Who knows. I'm sure it'll get really ugly on the boards then get settled really fast. Always does!

Not on this thread. This better stay clean and informative!
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 21, 2006, 10:15:49 PM
Fair is fair...Technically, Lee owes Robin Chang (promoter) for 2 tickets. Instead of these guys trading $20 bills...Lee can purchase his own tickets, and they're even.

It makes sense, and the two parties can agree to this.  But in real life, contracts don't work that way unless both parties agree.  Lee has a case here.  Why did Chang sign THIS year's contract if there was still an issue from LAST year's?  And since the ONLY thing that has changed since contract signing has been the PDI, it seems reasonable that... well... ;)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 21, 2006, 10:17:32 PM
It's up to the promoters discression as to what they offer...he doesn't HAVE to pick up expenses.

Lee should never have used the tickets for personal use...plain and simple.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lift Studios on August 21, 2006, 10:21:27 PM
Why didn't Lee go to his athlete's rep if he had a problem instead of having his boy post the issue on the board in the first place?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 21, 2006, 10:23:12 PM
With all due fairness...I'm not sure Lee has a problem with it.

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lift Studios on August 21, 2006, 10:25:02 PM
With all due fairness...I'm not sure Lee has a problem with it.


Fair enough.

I smell bullshit on this entire thread.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Hedgehog on August 21, 2006, 10:25:23 PM
Who is Robin Chang? Sorry, i must be out of the loop.

Lisa

No probs mate,

she's the younger sister of former Tennis Pro Michael Chang.

Also did a couple of movies under her alias "Annabell Cheong".



You know that Michael Chang won the French Open at the age of 16, don't you?

YIP
Zack
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Sir William Idol on August 21, 2006, 10:25:55 PM
so we can assume that lee didnt use the hotel room, so the only issue is the tickets...which are what, 300 bucks total for 2 roundtrips from LA to LV?  shouldnt be any more than that on southwest with a 21 day advance purchase!


even though this whole thing is stupid, i'm gonna make the assumption that robin chang is a vindictive little prick thats doing this out of spite, and i'll make sure to never support the ifbb or ami again because of it.  ahahhaha, for the last year+ i  thought "robin chang" was a chick!  hahaah, what a girly name
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 21, 2006, 10:25:58 PM
Lee should never have used the tickets for personal use...plain and simple.

That depends on the contract language.  If it clearly states that Lee HAD TO compete in order to use these tickets, then yes, action should have been taken by Chang.  Perhaps a bit earlier than August of the following year, though.  But IF it said that, you are correct.  Remember, we're talking the law here and not "what is right or wrong".

It's up to the promoters discression as to what they offer...he doesn't HAVE to pick up expenses.

And that depends on the contract also.  You may be entirely correct.  Lee is a top athlete and if HIS contract guaranteed him two tickets, then those two tickets are still owed to him.  EVEN IF he owes for last year.

These are two different years, two different contracts.  No one here knows what we're talking about until we read the specific wording of both contracts.  All we have here is a little bit of public banter to put pressure on one side to change a position.  Lee is obviously a hero on getbig.  Chang has to decide if 1) signing THIS year's contract was Chang's mistake, and 2) If it's worth the price of those two plane tickets for the negative press that the IFBB will get with the 3,000 views a day it'll get on getbig, and whatever else on other message boards.  If they're just collecting PR black eyes and they did sign a contract, better just to choose another fight.

Special "3 credit hours in Business Law" 240
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: rocket on August 21, 2006, 10:29:13 PM
Well I'm sure Robin could sue Lee for the return of the items he received for his contract as I'm sure Lee could sue Robin for breaching this one.

Its basically a waste of time to follow this up but it is remarkably classless to do this as a promoter.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: hangclean on August 21, 2006, 10:29:44 PM
Well it was bound to happen - just been talking to Lee and Robin Chang has cancelled Lee's plane ticket and hotel accommodation and told Jim Manion that if Lee wanted to do the Olympia - he would have to pay his own way !!!!!

Interesting considering Lee has already signed the Olympia contract and in it, it stipulates that AMI will pay for the above cancelled items -  Robin Chang claims Lee never reimbursed  them for  flights and hotel accommodation from last year, but the funny thing is they have never asked for reimbursement (until today) all they wanted was a letter of apology which was adhered to by his sponsors!! And get this, Lee paid for his own flights last year and never stayed at the hotel at AMIs expense, he stayed at the Hilton apartments organized and paid by Twinlab!!


Chic as athletes rep - do you think you should wade in here and sort this out for lee - I mean lee is a IFBB Pro right !!
So I'm a little confused.  If Twinlab paid for Lee's Hotel and flight, why is Bob saying that Lee used the paid for tickets for his own pleasure?  If his company paid for everything what did the IFBB pay for?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 21, 2006, 10:33:24 PM
That depends on the contract language.  If it clearly states that Lee HAD TO compete in order to use these tickets, then yes, action should have been taken by Chang.  Perhaps a bit earlier than August of the following year, though.  But IF it said that, you are correct.  Remember, we're talking the law here and not "what is right or wrong".

And that depends on the contract also.  You may be entirely correct.  Lee is a top athlete and if HIS contract guaranteed him two tickets, then those two tickets are still owed to him.  EVEN IF he owes for last year.

These are two different years, two different contracts.  No one here knows what we're talking about until we read the specific wording of both contracts.  All we have here is a little bit of public banter to put pressure on one side to change a position.  Lee is obviously a hero on getbig.  Chang has to decide if 1) signing THIS year's contract was Chang's mistake, and 2) If it's worth the price of those two plane tickets for the negative press that the IFBB will get with the 3,000 views a day it'll get on getbig, and whatever else on other message boards.  If they're just collecting PR black eyes and they did sign a contract, better just to choose another fight.

Special "3 credit hours in Business Law" 240

The bottom line is...the tickets and hotel accomodations are given IN CONTEMPLATION OF competing in the show...thats why the consideration is given in the first place.

secondly, the contract has to be signed by both parties for it to be valid...Lee may have signed it and sent it in...doesn't mean it was consumated.

Robin has every right to not pick up the tab, he picked it up last year and Lee bailed...no guarantee he'll compete this year either.

This is as basic as it gets.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 21, 2006, 10:35:54 PM
So I'm a little confused.  If Twinlab paid for Lee's Hotel and flight, why is Bob saying that Lee used the paid for tickets for his own pleasure?  If his company paid for everything what did the IFBB pay for?

The IFBB paid for nothing...The PROMOTER, paid for nothing as well as Lee never ended up competing.

Twinlab picked up his flight because Lee told them he wouldn't be competing, he stayed at the hotel of his choice at his own expense...
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Sir William Idol on August 21, 2006, 10:36:27 PM
lee priest deserves to have his hotel and flight paid for whether he competes or not, he's got more class than everyone working for the IFBB combined
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 21, 2006, 10:40:46 PM
The bottom line is...the tickets and hotel accomodations are given IN CONTEMPLATION OF competing in the show...thats why the consideration is given in the first place.

secondly, the contract has to be signed by both parties for it to be valid...Lee may have signed it and sent it in...doesn't mean it was consumated.

Robin has every right to not pick up the tab, he picked it up last year and Lee bailed...no guarantee he'll compete this year either.

This is as basic as it gets.

The contract holds the answers, and you may very well be right.  I'm being as neutral as I can here.  

Some could say that bty posting it on getbig tonight, it will now

1) Get Chang's name brought up dozens of times a week here for the rest of the year, in a negative light

2) Give Lee yet another 'hero' star on his shoulder

3) Portray the IFBB as an organization which will break its word

4) Leave us all with the question... "Why did Chang offer Lee a contract, even though he allegedly did what he did?"  Makes no sense.  I know, has nothing to do with the PDI or whatever impending suspension... and they're all just hoping Lee stays home that day...

But - and I'm being competely objective when saying this - pulling tickets from Lee Priest will cost the IFBB more in goodwill, PR capital, and fans than any two plane tickets would have cost.  No matter who is right or wrong. A big organization like this, breaking an agreement maed even after they knew of last year's infraction.

This is a no-win.  
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: geeves20022000 on August 21, 2006, 10:42:42 PM
Ok, dont post much, been a fan of bodybuilding for a while. Want to see what is good for the sport.  

1) lets wait to hear lee's side of this
2)bob think you have done some good things as an athlete rep

but from an outsider, it seems like you are not defending lee in this situation.  I know you two have had your little pdi spat, whatever.  In this case though it is an IFBB pro who is now not compensated for the olympia (and I dont want to hear about last years contract, we dont know all the details and this is this year).  It seems as if it was someone other than Lee than you would be arguing for the AMI to upheld their end of the contract.  And AMI was not going to pay for lee this year, then they should have never sent him the contract in the 1st place.  A business is never going to send someone a signed contract where both parties.  It is assumed that AMI sends lee the contract that they have already agreed to the terms.  Lee sends it back and it is official.  If lee did sign this years contract and it did stipulate that flight and hotel will be paid for then you should argue for him to get those things.  If he does not competer or IFBB bans him then let the IFBB or AMI deal with him at that point.  At that point it would be an organization against an athlete.
  
Again I do think you have done a lot so far this year, but arguments like these make it look like you work for the IFBB instead of an athletes rep. Again this is a just a fans view.  Keep on the good work.

G
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 21, 2006, 10:50:15 PM
Ok,
dont post much, been a fan of bodybuilding for a while. Want to see what is good for the sport.  1) lets wait to hear lee's side of this
2)bob think you have done some good things as an athlete rep

but from an outsider, it seems like you are not defending lee in this situation.  I know you two have had your little pdi spat, whatever.  In this case though it is an IFBB pro who is now not compensated for the olympia (and I dont want to hear about last years contract, we dont know all the details and this is this year).  It seems as if it was someone other than Lee than you would be arguing for the AMI to upheld their end of the contract.  And AMI was not going to pay for lee this year, then they should have never sent him the contract in the 1st place.  A business is never going to send someone a signed contract where both parties.  It is assumed that AMI sends lee the contract that they have already agreed to the terms.  Lee sends it back and it is official.  If lee did sign this years contract and it did stipulate that flight and hotel will be paid for then you should argue for him to get those things.  If he does not competer or IFBB bans him then let the IFBB or AMI deal with him at that point.  At that point it would be an organization against an athlete.  
Again I do think you have done a lot so far this year, but arguments like these make it look like you work for the IFBB instead of an athletes rep. Again this is a just a fans view.  Keep on the good work.

G

This is a good example.  Geeves posts very rarely, and has been here and followed the boards for quite a while, if i recall correctly.

Of course you'll have the normal pro-PDI folks and other conspiracy crazies, waving their arms in the air yelling about whatever happens.  But when you have a level-headed middle-of-the-road fan like this, stating his opinion that the IFBB kinda did break their word, you may want to stop trying to "be right" and start thinking about the best long-term solution to this problem.

And it is a problem now.  Some will casually look at this and deduce that hey, Lee's doing the PDI so they're going to take his plane ticket back.  Simple as that.  Sure, there are contracts and debts, but since they did make an offer, and he did accept, then they did take it back... well...

My 2 cents - Chang, get Lee on the phone and resolve this tomorrow morning.  You might lose a grand on those tickets, but you'll more than make that up on the # of people buying the webcast just to catch a glimpse of Lee in the crowd, even if they do prevent him from competing.  Don't be penny-wise, pound-foolish.  Do what's best for the IFBB and the O, THIS YEAR, not this week.  And above all, most people on the boards don't know who Robin Chang is - and it would be a shame that someone who worked so hard to put on good shows and keep a low profile would only be known by one negative event.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: MADMAX6 on August 21, 2006, 10:53:26 PM
I'm sure this has nothing to do with Robin's decision but Lee has been very vocal and personal about how he feels about Robin, I remember reading in Musclemag last year right around the time Lee pulled out of the show.  They have a guy (Robin) running the Olympia who could not even run a Max Muscle store in Venice.

I thought at the time that this was uncalled for as Robin is a good guy and somebody who's been great at show promoting for a long time.  Running a retail store was never Robin's specialty and luckily for my, I bought said store from Robin and Flex Wheeler.  Robin did a great job taking over the O and everybody at AMI/Weider agreed last year, this year will be even better and I really felt bad for Robin that Lee said that about him and I did not understand why he would go there.
 
I even asked Robin myself what he thought about Lee's statements and he just shrugged and never even commented on it.  Robin is too much of a gentleman to retorque or attack Lee.

Max.  
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: geeves20022000 on August 21, 2006, 10:53:49 PM
I am curious to hear what lee says.  And bob - if lee broke the contract last year, then he was wrong and that is for him and Robin to deal with.  But if the contract was signed this year with no mention of last in it, then I think you should fight for him.  Hell if does the PDI or gets suspended or jsut doesnt compete then let the IFBB and AMI take it up with him.  Youll be doing your job as a rep and make them do the "dirty work."

Just my opinion.  is anyone else emceeing olympia with you and are you going oversees for the foreign shows?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Ron on August 21, 2006, 10:54:16 PM
Ok, here are the answers to the questions.

First, AMI pays the flights and the hotel rooms, and unless the competitors requests that he/she wants to get their own flight and get reimbursed, AMI takes care of it. Last year, AMI took care of the flight, and bought a ticket for Lee. Lee cancelled after he signed the contract, and pulled out of the Olympia. AMI still had a ticket for Lee, and once you issue a nonrefundable ticket with someones name on it, you cant get back the money. You can however, extend the ticket for a year or so.

Second, the hotel room for Lee is not cancelled at all. It is there.

Third, when the travel agent went to book the flight for this year, all of a sudden the credit from the ticket wasn’t there? What, what you do mean it wasn’t there? AMI doesn’t buy a ticket for someone until they have a contract with them.

Well, it turned out that Lee had used the credit from the ticket for his and a friend’s personal travel sometimes during the year, without reimbursing back AMI, and did not mention a word to AMI when they contacted what flights he wanted for this year. Only when they tried to use the credit did they find out there wasn’t any. What the hell?

So the question is now – did Lee use the ticket for personal use without telling AMI about it, thus when they tried use the credit for Lee’s Olympia flight this year, the credit was gone.

So Lee should reimburse AMI for his personal use, so then they can get another ticket for this year’s Olympia. The ticket from Texas to Vegas was over $400.



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Just my opinion.  is anyone else emceeing olympia with Bob?

There are emcees for Friday and Saturday night. This should come out very soon, right Bob...
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 21, 2006, 10:55:42 PM
Ok,
dont post much, been a fan of bodybuilding for a while. Want to see what is good for the sport.  1) lets wait to hear lee's side of this
2)bob think you have done some good things as an athlete rep

but from an outsider, it seems like you are not defending lee in this situation.  I know you two have had your little pdi spat, whatever.  In this case though it is an IFBB pro who is now not compensated for the olympia (and I dont want to hear about last years contract, we dont know all the details and this is this year).  It seems as if it was someone other than Lee than you would be arguing for the AMI to upheld their end of the contract.  And AMI was not going to pay for lee this year, then they should have never sent him the contract in the 1st place.  A business is never going to send someone a signed contract where both parties.  It is assumed that AMI sends lee the contract that they have already agreed to the terms.  Lee sends it back and it is official.  If lee did sign this years contract and it did stipulate that flight and hotel will be paid for then you should argue for him to get those things.  If he does not competer or IFBB bans him then let the IFBB or AMI deal with him at that point.  At that point it would be an organization against an athlete. 
Again I do think you have done a lot so far this year, but arguments like these make it look like you work for the IFBB instead of an athletes rep. Again this is a just a fans view.  Keep on the good work.

G

1.) Lee hasen't mentioned it to me, nor has he posted on this matter...for all we know, he could care less.

2.) It's not my job to blindly defend every athlete, just because theey are a IFBB pro.

3.) So I'm supposed to convince the promoter to pick up Lee's expenses for this year, forget about the expenses he picked up last year and take the loss, and got rewarded with Lee pulling out of the Olympia...and HOPE he shows up THIS year?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 21, 2006, 11:01:11 PM
I am curious to hear what lee says.  And bob - if lee broke the contract last year, then he was wrong and that is for him and Robin to deal with.  But if the contract was signed this year with no mention of last in it, then I think you should fight for him.  Hell if does the PDI or gets suspended or jsut doesnt compete then let the IFBB and AMI take it up with him.  Youll be doing your job as a rep and make them do the "dirty work."

Just my opinion.  is anyone else emceeing olympia with you and are you going oversees for the foreign shows?



I'm hosting the Press conference and the Friday night finals with Dan Solomon, and saturday night with Shawn Ray...

No plans to go overseas...
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Original Sin on August 21, 2006, 11:07:55 PM
I think 240 is right (I feel dirty after saying that  :-[)

This is going to be a PR nightmare for the IFBB.  Even though AMI is the promoting the Olympia the IFBB is going to take the black eye. 

Bob, you sound like you already have made up your mind and are going to leave Lee out in the cold.
I think this is exactly where you should be exercising your position.  Have you actually talked to either party about this?

BTW When you host the Saturday night show with Shawn Ray, take a cattle prod.  When he starts rambling on and taking over the broadcast like he does with the radio show, ZAP him.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: abz on August 21, 2006, 11:08:26 PM
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I'm hosting the Press conference and the Friday night finals with Dan Solomon, and saturday night with Shawn Ray...

Really - with Dan Solomon on Friday night and at the Press Conference? No Lonnie Teper? Wow.  Pro Bodybuilding Radio is in the house on Friday night! Dan and Bob will rock the stage. And Bob and Shawn Ray on Saturday night. Excellent team.

Just make sure you practice the names of the competitors on Friday night so you say them correctly - and learn something about each one of the besides where they came from. Do some homework boys!

And Lee - if that is true and you used those tickets, shame on you. Those were for the Olympia!
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Ron on August 21, 2006, 11:11:38 PM
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Bob, you sound like you already have made up your mind and are going to leave Lee out in the cold.

Original Sin, did you read what I wrote on what is going on, and why. Read my previous post.


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BTW When you host the Saturday night show with Shawn Ray, take a cattle prod.  When he starts rambling on and taking over the broadcast like he does with the radio show, ZAP him.

Now that is funny - Bob - do you think it will work?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 21, 2006, 11:13:55 PM
This is an interesting topic.  I'm sure it happens now and then, with the loose contract language and lack of accountability we're seeing.


more amusing for us, the fans, is that this is another arrow being slung from camp IFBB to camp PDI.

I know, anyone affiliated with either side will have to deny it, but step back.  Remember that black eye that the IFBB gave the NOC when Vince Taylor flipflopped for the 3rd time, this time choosing a guest pose on an empty IFBB weekend in Sept (when everyone and their mother is in shape and free for the weekend0 in lieu of the NOC.  I remember several IFBB supporters, all on the boards dancing and proclaiming the end of the PDi.

Now, we see what is arguably an 11th hour financial "punk" move, and it's making the IFBB look bad.  Lee looks like a hero being persecuted for his belief in the importance of fair market competition.  Fans see this.  Camp PDI fires its own arrows.

Lee Priest has a lot of capital with the fans. And it seems that when he is wronged (and making him buy a late ticket after doing the contract) is kinda cold. So, he has employed this capital to return the favor.  IFBB looks bad, Chang looks bad, Chick looks less than neutral, and Lee looks good.  just my viewpoint, though.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 21, 2006, 11:25:06 PM
This is an interesting topic.  I'm sure it happens now and then, with the loose contract language and lack of accountability we're seeing.


more amusing for us, the fans, is that this is another arrow being slung from camp IFBB to camp PDI.

I know, anyone affiliated with either side will have to deny it, but step back.  Remember that black eye that the IFBB gave the NOC when Vince Taylor flipflopped for the 3rd time, this time choosing a guest pose on an empty IFBB weekend in Sept (when everyone and their mother is in shape and free for the weekend0 in lieu of the NOC.  I remember several IFBB supporters, all on the boards dancing and proclaiming the end of the PDi.

Now, we see what is arguably an 11th hour financial "punk" move, and it's making the IFBB look bad.  Lee looks like a hero being persecuted for his belief in the importance of fair market competition.  Fans see this.  Camp PDI fires its own arrows.

Lee Priest has a lot of capital with the fans. And it seems that when he is wronged (and making him buy a late ticket after doing the contract) is kinda cold. So, he has employed this capital to return the favor.  IFBB looks bad, Chang looks bad, Chick looks less than neutral, and Lee looks good.  just my viewpoint, though.

What on God's green earth are you talking about???  "arrows", PDI, persecution, hero's....?

This is about the easiest open and closed matter I've ever heard...

Lee signed a contract, he was given certain considerations for fullfilling it...he broke the contract and used those considerations for his OWN use...HE OWES THE PROMOTER.

Save your conspiracy theories for the WTC banter...

This has NOTHING to do with the IFBB, the PDI, Me, or anything more than what it is...trivial bullshit.

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 21, 2006, 11:32:38 PM
What on God's green earth are you talking about???  "arrows", PDI, persecution, hero's....?
This is about the easiest open and closed matter I've ever heard...
Lee signed a contract, he was given certain considerations for fullfilling it...he broke the contract and used those considerations for his OWN use...HE OWES THE PROMOTER.
Save your conspiracy theories for the WTC banter...
This has NOTHING to do with the IFBB, the PDI, Me, or anything more than what it is...trivial bullshit.

Hey, just offering my theory on a gossip & opinions board. 

I tend to consider the longterm ramifications of giving ammunition to the rebellious figurehead of a generation of young BBing fans (who will be buying creatine and magazines for the next few years), on the eve of his defection to a new and exciting rival organization, to be something important.

Respectfully.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 21, 2006, 11:34:36 PM
Hey, just offering my theory on a gossip & opinions board. 

I tend to consider the longterm ramifications of giving ammunition to the rebellious figurehead of a generation of young BBing fans (who will be buying creatine and magazines for the next few years), on the eve of his defection to a new and exciting rival organization, to be something important.

Respectfully.

translation: YOU'RE A DRAMA QUEEN
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lift Studios on August 21, 2006, 11:38:14 PM
a new and exciting rival organization, to be something important.
No offense but what does this have anything to do with this topic? You lob as many "arrows" at the "IFBB Camp" as anyone.

This is pretty clear cut - and the pdites are trying to make something out of nothing, much like their new organization.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 21, 2006, 11:44:51 PM
No offense but what does this have anything to do with this topic? You lob as many "arrows" at the "IFBB Camp" as anyone.

This is pretty clear cut - and the pdites are trying to make something out of nothing, much like their new organization.

Ahh but in recent weeks I've worked really hard to stop being such a pidiot :)

I have expressed my belief that free market is the answer, sure.  But I have really backed off of taking shots, instead focusing on issues of improvement.  I sometimes do chime in when I can't help myself (the false Rhino NABBA 96 accusations), but I have seriously backed off the negativity.

And I said earlier in this thread that it'll get ugly, needlessly.  I said Chang should call Priest in the AM and not hang up the phone until both parties are happy and the issue is resolved.  I even said that if the contract said what Bob said it said... then the IFBB was right here.  However I also pointed out that a rebel like Lee has nothing to lose in the battle of public opinion, and the big corp does.  That's all.  It's just a few plane tickets, but it's already coming up on 400 views and it'll be a lot more than that, tomorrow.  Needlessly.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: OneMoreRep on August 21, 2006, 11:52:12 PM
I know what this is really about.  This isn't about the PDI, IFBB, AMI, HIV or any other form of deadly STD, this is about who is the better web designer between lift studios and 240.  I say they have a face off, where they both take a random person/product/event and make a website for it in just 24 hours and whoever makes the best one gets to be advertised as the best wed designer on GETBIG and whoever loses has to leave getbig forever or until they come up with another gimmick account.

1
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lift Studios on August 21, 2006, 11:55:50 PM
Ahh but in recent weeks I've worked really hard to stop being such a pidiot :)
Agreed but no need to make it always a PDI vs IFBB issue.

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 21, 2006, 11:57:18 PM
I know what this is really about.  This isn't about the PDI, IFBB, AMI, HIV or any other form of deadly STD, this is about who is the better web designer between lift studios and 240.  I say they have a face off, where they both take a random person/product/event and make a website for it in just 24 hours and whoever makes the best one gets to be advertised as the best wed designer on GETBIG and whoever loses has to leave getbig forever or until they come up with another gimmick account.

1

LIFT does great work and I have nothing but respect for him.

And 1MoreRep, when are you going to get a website to market your, eh, special interests?  You know I emphasize discretion above all.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: OneMoreRep on August 22, 2006, 12:01:01 AM
LIFT does great work and I have nothing but respect for him.

And 1MoreRep, when are you going to get a website to market your, eh, special interests?  You know I emphasize discretion above all.

Actually Robert, I plan on going world wide pretty soon.  Are you good with the flash animations? 

1
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 22, 2006, 12:01:40 AM
Actually Robert, I plan on going world wide pretty soon.  Are you good with the flash animations? 

1

yes, i can do a lot with flash now.  Drop me a line :)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Mydavid on August 22, 2006, 12:07:58 AM
No probs mate,

she's the younger sister of former Tennis Pro Michael Chang.

Also did a couple of movies under her alias "Annabell Cheong".



You know that Michael Chang won the French Open at the age of 16, don't you?

YIP
Zack

HOLY SMOKES!!!! You get funnier and funnier as the days go on...i nearly spit my beer protein shake out of my mouth right now. Your info is so valueable. :-*

Lisa
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Yorkie T on August 22, 2006, 03:16:36 AM
this isnt going to come over too well but im going to tell it like it is anyway

bob will never fight against the ifbb,ami,robin chang while hes getting so many gigs off them if he did they would just find someone else.notice how the 2 people who used to be the most vocal with issues are now the most vocal in there support for them and they just happen to be emceeing,promoting shows etc etc..this is why people are pissed.its so obvious to everyone(apart from yourselves apparently)that your only doing this for yourselves.

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: HRDCOR on August 22, 2006, 03:28:26 AM
This should be good tommorrow when Lee gets up and reads this,

Chic didn't you read my initial Post , I spoke with Lee over this as he was REAL PISSED,that is how I know about this unfolding, what you think I made this shit up ?? LEE was questioning wether it be worth it at all to even turn up to the Olympia, I asked him if I could post before I did and he was cool with it , and I posted to show just what Lee was about to come up against , just like he had last year !!

Lee had  similar dramas last year prior to the Olympia and some will say he deserves it , and in some cases it might be so , but more people than not really understand where lee is coming from, last years Olympia was a PR nightmare and how quick we forget , when will change come for the better everybody wants to know , Lee on the other hand voices these sediments and because of this is chastised !!

Oh and chic it was asked why Lee didnt come to you about this , well I think you answered that question with your stance on the matter with out you even knowing you answered it !!
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Yorkie T on August 22, 2006, 03:43:12 AM
Oh and chic it was asked why Lee didnt come to you about this , well I think you answered that question with your stance on the matter with out you even knowing you answered it !!

people wont go to bob because its like going straight to jim manion and saying it...bob used to say he was the solution but now hes part of the problem.please dont take offence to my post,remember where you came from and dont sellout the guys who trusted you

just the oppinion of a nobody from the peanut gallery  :-\
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on August 22, 2006, 03:46:34 AM
Well it was bound to happen - just been talking to Lee and Robin Chang has cancelled Lee's plane ticket and hotel accommodation and told Jim Manion that if Lee wanted to do the Olympia - he would have to pay his own way !!!!!

Interesting considering Lee has already signed the Olympia contract and in it, it stipulates that AMI will pay for the above cancelled items -  Robin Chang claims Lee never reimbursed  them for  flights and hotel accommodation from last year, but the funny thing is they have never asked for reimbursement (until today) all they wanted was a letter of apology which was adhered to by his sponsors!! And get this, Lee paid for his own flights last year and never stayed at the hotel at AMIs expense, he stayed at the Hilton apartments organized and paid by Twinlab!!


Chic as athletes rep - do you think you should wade in here and sort this out for lee - I mean lee is a IFBB Pro right !!



Some folks thought I was kidding about "the message" but its no joke.  The IFBB does not want Lee Priest at the Olympia and if he shows up, he will be escorted out of the building.  It will all occur once he actually does the PDI NOC.

 
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Yorkie T on August 22, 2006, 03:50:35 AM


Some folks thought I was kidding about "the message" but its no joke.  The IFBB does not want Lee Priest at the Olympia and if he shows up, he will be escorted out of the building.  It will all occur once he actually does the PDI NOC.

 
why would they ask you to give him that message? ???
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: rocket on August 22, 2006, 03:56:48 AM
why would they ask you to give him that message? ???

Because Vince is the most important man in bodybuilding.  He is... the word.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Saxon on August 22, 2006, 04:21:19 AM
It's up to the promoters discression as to what they offer...he doesn't HAVE to pick up expenses.


This is bullshit statement from the althetes rep who doesn't even know his own federations rules!

3.2 Olympia:
In Olympia competitions, all competitors, since they must qualify, will be
provided with a round-trip economy-class airline ticket, accommodations at the
Official Hotel for a minimum of three nights, US $50.00 per day for food and
miscellaneous expenses, and one guest ticket for the Prejudging and Finals.


Note will be.  That doesn't mean "It's up to the promoters discression as to what they offer...he doesn't HAVE to pick up expenses."


Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Hurricane Beef ! on August 22, 2006, 04:25:36 AM
I think Adam Empire was right here.   Those are two different contracts.  Chang has every right to take action for last year's contract issues.  But this is a different contract.  Chang should not have offered it to Lee if Chang was unhappy about last year.  I don't see where Chang has any legal basis to break the contract here.





Hey, just offering my theory on a gossip & opinions board. 

I tend to consider the longterm ramifications of giving ammunition to the rebellious figurehead of a generation of young BBing fans (who will be buying creatine and magazines for the next few years), on the eve of his defection to a new and exciting rival organization, to be something important.

Respectfully.

ROFL . . . 240 when did you earn a legal degree? Do you read the self indulgent bull shit you post here?

The Beef
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Stavios on August 22, 2006, 04:45:21 AM
Vince G, how do you really feel about that whole situation ?
Tell us your scoop man, we know you are highly connected with the IFBB
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: kmhphoto on August 22, 2006, 04:49:45 AM
Why the need for a discussion of last years contracts and this years contracts?
It's simple.

The issue:
Lee was issued 2 airline tickets for the show last year.
He chose not to compete but used the tickets instead for a personal trip.

The remedy:
This year he buys his own.

No need for armchair lawyers.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: gatrainer on August 22, 2006, 05:00:26 AM
Why the need for a discussion of last years contracts and this years contracts?
It's simple.

The issue:
Lee was issued 2 airline tickets for the show last year.
He chose not to compete but used the tickets instead for a personal trip.

The remedy:
This year he buys his own.

No need for armchair lawyers.

Exactly!
Its very simple....I wish people would quit defending Priest just because they like him and look at the facts.  If this sh*t was turned around and Chic was in Lee's place...you had better believe Chic would be raked through the coals
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: french mistake on August 22, 2006, 05:08:31 AM
Chick is right. It does not get simpler than that.

If Lee had a contract that was signed buy him and Chang for the last event, and in it it included air fare and Lee did not go, but used the airline tickets for personal use, then he OWES Chang the difference....on that contract and whatever else was not completed per the contract.

Assuming there is another new contract, and ASSUMING that Chang and Lee both agreed and signed it, and it included airfare, then Lee is bound to use the airfare to get there for this event and do whatever the contract stipulates.

What is not known is if there IS a contract with that provision for this event, and if it was agreed to and signed by both. If not, Chang can not pay whatever he wants since Lee broke the first contract first by not going and then, cheesy as it is, used the tickets for his own personal use.

Since it seems many pros seem to have a mind block to even the slighest concept of a legal document, it's my take that Lee probably told Chang that he used the tickets, and Chang now is just getting back what is owed him, no contract involved. What is wrong with that? He used the tickets to fly somewhere else, and WTF Lee can't swing a trip to the Olympia on his own dime? That's fucking sketchy.



  
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Rome on August 22, 2006, 05:24:17 AM
So much bullshit. IF Lee used the plane/hotel tickets from last year and DIDN'T compete in a show he had signed to do then guess what? HE OWES 2 tickets, end of fucking story!
geez ::)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lord Humungous on August 22, 2006, 05:26:17 AM
I'd like to wrap this thread up by saying who gives a fuck. Lee's a big boy and can handle his own troubles.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 05:55:03 AM
I'm not quite sure what the problem is, exactly...  Lee signed the contract to participate in the Olympia last year. Lee was compensated by the promoter, airfare and accomodations as per the contract. Lee opted to not compete in the show for personal reasons. Some time later, Lee used the tickets for his own personal use... As per the contract, Lee did not fullfill his part of the deal and should never have used the tickets, thus he technically owes the promoter for the cost of said tickets. The promoter has already paid airfare ONCE for Lee, why would he pay again? Am I missing something here?

Good to see you called to find out.Bob That was the answer i got. After last year i asked about paying back the airfare and the hotel i had them cancel a month before when i told them i was not competing. I was never asked to do so - just write a letter which i did and now they say hey you owe us. Now Bob since you are so strict on contracts this years has nothing to do with last years. In this years it sates and is SIGNED (we know how you like that) stating my sirfare would be paid which it was.

https://eitin.travelinc.com/ViewItin.cfm?i=44J66UI

Now yesterday it was cancelled. Have i done the PDI show? NO. Robin knew about last year and all that so why put in my contract this year about flight then go book it weeks ago no cancell it? This years contract was signed - we both have a copy saying what i will recieve. So now Bob does that mean the contract does mean nothing i can just pick and choose what i will do for them at the Olympia, like no dvd or no press conference. Shit i guess no one needs to stick to the contract it is just as good as the rules.

Lee
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 05:55:57 AM
Marc,

Did Lee go to Bob with this BEFORE you decided to post it here?

Why i am only one person and Bob says he can do nothing for me.?

Isaac can't wait to meet you in person :)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 05:59:03 AM
They were non refundable tickets made in Lee's name, for (2) people I believe...

The promoter should not be responsible for treating lee to fly around the country for his own personal pleasure...the contract was for airfare to VEGAS to COMPETE in the Olympia. Fair is fair...Technically, Lee owes Robin Chang (promoter) for 2 tickets. Instead of these guys trading $20 bills...Lee can purchase his own tickets, and they're even.

I would have liked it like I have done before. But I was never asked to - they just asked for a letter. Bob it was for ONE ticket not two. Bob - what about the contract and why put it in and Robin did sign it? Come on Bob - we know how you are about contracts and breaking them
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 06:01:48 AM
With all due fairness...I'm not sure Lee has a problem with it.

No i have no problem with it. I just know where i stand when i get to the Olympia.Thats all. Mark is a good friend and he posted it. Its a free world and he is just keeping people in the know. Freedom of speech - do i care he posted it NO.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: gatrainer on August 22, 2006, 06:02:19 AM
the right thing to do was to just return the tickets....why do you need someone to tell you to do the right thing.
Besides, if you used them for something else then you contradicted yourself in an earlier thread where Chic said you had two free tickets waiting for you to attend the Europa show....you said, "No. thanks..I pay my own way"
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 06:11:03 AM
I'm sure this has nothing to do with Robin's decision but Lee has been very vocal and personal about how he feels about Robin, I remember reading in Musclemag last year right around the time Lee pulled out of the show.  They have a guy (Robin) running the Olympia who could not even run a Max Muscle store in Venice. I thought at the time that this was uncalled for as Robin is a good guy and somebody who's been great at show promoting for a long time.  Running a retail store was never Robin's specialty and luckily for my, I bought said store from Robin and Flex Wheeler.  Robin did a great job taking over the O and everybody at AMI/Weider agreed last year, this year will be even better and I really felt bad for Robin that Lee said that about him and I did not understand why he would go there.
I even asked Robin myself what he thought about Lee's statements and he just shrugged and never even commented on it.  Robin is too much of a gentleman to retorque or attack Lee.

Max.  

To much of a gentleman that why he told Twinlab last year "LEE PRIEST IS NOT GOING ON STAGE TO HAND OUT AN AWARD".  Twinlab said we gave you over 70,000 in sponosrship for the 0. And Lee is our top athlete to hand out the award. He replied "i don't care next year keep your money"

I met a few people this week who are not going to the O. They have been 10 years in a row but after last years mess they are not going again.Yeah great job last year that is why i said that comment. Now you know :)

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 06:22:43 AM
the right thing to do was to just return the tickets....why do you need someone to tell you to do the right thing.
Besides, if you used them for something else then you contradicted yourself in an earlier thread where Chic said you had two free tickets waiting for you to attend the Europa show....you said, "No. thanks..I pay my own way"

Cause i don't need free tickets - i get a pass working for Twinlab - i don't even have to buy them - Chic knows that. And last year Robin didnt sign the contract. This year both of us signed it. ARE WE CLEAR ON THAT NOW PEOPLE.

https://eitin.travelinc.com/ViewItin.cfm?i=44J66UI

SEE NOW ITS CANCELLED!!!

Like i said - i offered to pay back the airfare, told Jim that at the Twinlab booth when Jim and Steve and i sat and talked. It was agreed and i sent a letter. OH I HAD ONE TICKET - NOT TWO.

Like we have said why sign this years contract and even put in there about my flight. My ticket was purchased July 27th.

BLAH BLAH BLAH :)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: kmhphoto on August 22, 2006, 06:32:58 AM
And last year Robin didnt sign contract.This year both of us signed it.CLEAR ON THAT NOW PEOPLE.

Are you certain that Robin didn't sign the contract after you returned it to him? A contract is binding after all parties have signed and there is no order that those signatures have to be signed. I sign contracts all the time with only my signature on it, then after it's returned to the client, they sign and return my copy. Standard business procedure. I'm sure you've signed model releases in the past that require someone else to sign at a later date?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Shawn Ray on August 22, 2006, 06:33:38 AM
Good luck in the PDI show in September Lee  :-*
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: jaejonna on August 22, 2006, 06:35:47 AM
Lee's Cult following will pay for his tickects for years to come....He transcends the sport as a national icon in Austrailia....Thus Lee Owns BB....
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 06:38:18 AM
Are you certain that Robin didn't sign the contract after you returned it to him?
A contract is binding after all parties have signed and there is no order that those signatures have to be signed.
I sign contracts all the time with only my signature on it, then after it's returned to the client, they sign and return my copy. Standard business procedure.
I'm sure you've signed model releases in the past that require someone else to sign at a later date?

Yes cause i sent it to them after i signed it and they sent it back both copies my fax and original unsigned.That is why i also decided to pull out last year as i have said before it was usigned.But this years copy is signed by both.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 06:39:13 AM
Good luck in the PDI show in September Lee  :-*

Shawn just shows how little you know  :-*  ;)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Shawn Ray on August 22, 2006, 06:39:53 AM
Let me be the 1st to Contribute to the Lee Priest Foundation for Lee.

Where do I send my "GET LEE TO LAS VEGAS" Plane Ticket contribution to? :o

Free Lee Priest
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: kmhphoto on August 22, 2006, 06:41:25 AM
Shawn just shows how little you know  :-*  ;)

The plot thickens ;D
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: gatrainer on August 22, 2006, 06:43:11 AM
Shawn...you know Lee pays his own way
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 06:47:17 AM

To your mother :)

free Shawn's mom. :)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 06:50:20 AM
So Bob you said they had a ticket i my name and couldn't use it. They were going to use it this year (THE CREDIT). Now they have another ticket in my name to do what with? For next year :)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: french mistake on August 22, 2006, 06:55:48 AM
"That is why i also decided to pull out last year as i have said before it was usigned."

So you still used the tickets anyway?

Class.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lift Studios on August 22, 2006, 06:58:05 AM
Why i am only one person and Bob says he can do nothing for me? Isaac can't wait to meet you in person :)

Ah Lee we all know you love to stir up shit. How can you assume Bob would do nothing for you if you don't go to him first? Instead of going to Chic, you complain to Marc knowing he will post it here for all to see. You two are grown men and assume have each other's phone numbers, why not call and settle it?

I look forward to meeting you in person this weekend as well Lee. Maybe Ron can take a photo of a getbig group hug. Marc can you create a post and see if chic is available to meet for a group hug at the Europa?  :-*

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Adam Empire on August 22, 2006, 07:08:13 AM
Off topic: Robin told Twinlab to keep 70k the next year.  Looks like they just keep finding more ways to lose money on the O weekend...
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 07:09:19 AM
Ah Lee we all know you love to stir up shit. How can you assume Bob would do nothing for you if you don't go to him first? Instead of going to Chic, you complain to Marc knowing he will post it here for all to see. You two are grown men and assume have each other's phone numbers, why not call and settle it? I look forward to meeting you in person this weekend as well Lee. Maybe Ron can take a photo of a getbig group hug. Marc can you create a post and see if chic is available to meet for a group hug at the Europa?  :-*

Bob has stated many times he is not my rep.He can do nothig for one athlete he even posted that again.I will not be at Europa as of now but i could change my mind depends how i feel.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: natural al on August 22, 2006, 07:15:18 AM
Lee are you prepared to be racked over the coals ala WBF guys?  They beat those guys up for years, that my friends is the definition of "diry pool".  Good luck Lee, I hope the PDI does well for the simple fact that it will make the sport better.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 22, 2006, 07:32:21 AM
Because Vince is the most important man in bodybuilding.  He is... the word.

Actually paul Dillet was known in his MD columns as the WORD.

Vince is the DECLARATION.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: boonasty on August 22, 2006, 07:34:57 AM

After last year i asked about paying back the airfare and the hotel i had them cancell a month before whn i told them i was not competing.


I thought you cancelled a week before? All this sparks more intereste for the O ;D

Lee you know the right thing is to pay your own way now though right?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Adam Empire on August 22, 2006, 07:46:58 AM

Well, it turned out that Lee had used the credit from the ticket for his and a friend’s personal travel sometimes during the year, without reimbursing back AMI, and did not mention a word to AMI when they contacted what flights he wanted for this year. Only when they tried to use the credit did they find out there wasn’t any. What the hell?


They were non refundable tickets made in Lee's name, for (2) people I believe...

Fair is fair...Technically, Lee owes Robin Chang (promoter) for 2 tickets. Instead of these guys trading $20 bills...Lee can purchase his own tickets, and they're even.

I find it hard to believe both of you would post wrong info before Lee even posted here once...
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 07:49:15 AM

I thought you cancelled a week before? All this sparks more intereste for the O ;D Lee you know the right thing is to pay your own way now though right?

I dont mind paying my own way.Twinlab would pay it anyway so i am not bothered.This just makes my whole Oympia contract null invoid then.So i should not be expected to do anything in it just apart from compete
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: lastrep on August 22, 2006, 07:57:17 AM
Good luck in the PDI show in September Lee  :-*

Really??? Wow.. thanks for the update!  :o
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Tre on August 22, 2006, 08:00:07 AM
Ah Lee we all know you love to stir up shit. How can you assume Bob would do nothing for you if you don't go to him first? Instead of going to Chic, you complain to Marc knowing he will post it here for all to see. You two are grown men and assume have each other's phone numbers, why not call and settle it?

Why are you so insistent that Lee go through Bob in order to pursue resolution?  This is at least your 2nd post to that effect.

The issue is between Lee and AMI, correct?

Are you saying that Bob is also the 'AMI athletes' rep'?

Hmm...

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: kmhphoto on August 22, 2006, 08:05:36 AM
I dont mind paying my own way.Twinlab would pay it anyway so i am not bothered.This just makes my whole Oympia contract null invoid then.So i should not be expected to do anything in it just apart from compete

1. Did they issue you flight tickets for last years show?
2. Did you use them for a different flight?
3. Did they agree that you could change the tickets?

If 1 and 2 are true but 3 is false then you owe them the tickets and it is not unreasonable for them to expect you to pay for your tickets this year.

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 22, 2006, 08:09:19 AM
I think Adam Empire was right here.   Those are two different contracts.  Chang has every right to take action for last year's contract issues.  But this is a different contract.  Chang should not have offered it to Lee if Chang was unhappy about last year.  I don't see where Chang has any legal basis to break the contract here.

ROFL . . . 240 when did you earn a legal degree? Do you read the self indulgent bull shit you post here?

I tell ya man, it was like 4 am and I was still working.  You know how sometimes, late at night, the philosophical side of things takes over and you start thinking on a higher plane?  In the morning, it's back to reality of course.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: MADMAX6 on August 22, 2006, 08:10:19 AM
To much of a gentleman that why he told Twinalb last year"LEE PRIEST IS NOT GOING ON STAGE TO HAND OUT AN AWARD" Twinlab said we gave you over 70,000 in sponosrship for the 0.And Lee is our top athlete to hand out the award.He replied"i don't care next year keep your money"
I met a few people this week who are not going tothe O they have been 10 years in a row but after last years mess they are not going again.Yeah great job last year that is why i said that comment.Now you know :)

Actually, now that you mention it, I remember hearing that story somewhere.  Don't you think that he had reasons for saying that to Twinlab though?  You pulling out of the show at the last minute was a big blow to the Olympia last year as you were one of the favorite athlete.  Many people came all the way from Australia with their family just to see you compete, I remember reading their posts on the boards and their were so dissapointed/pissed off that you did not.  You did not seem to care back then, you just said, I had to do what I had to do.
You are right with the fact that the new venue had a few technical problems last year but you have to remember that after spending so many years at the Mandalay, they had things down, this was the 1st year at a new Casino, I'm sure this year, a lot of the bugs will be worked out and the show will run lot smoother, don't you agree?
Lastly, why were you so personal in your attack at Robin in the mags?  Did he do something to you on a personal level?  What you said wasn't cool, you have to know that.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lift Studios on August 22, 2006, 08:10:27 AM
Why are you so insistent that Lee go through Bob in order to pursue resolution?  This is at least your 2nd post to that effect.

The issue is between Lee and AMI, correct?

Are you saying that Bob is also the 'AMI athletes' rep'?

Hmm...

Why? Read the last line of Marc's post. While I agree the issue is between Lee and AMI; Marc and now Lee brought this matter to the boards trying to make its Chic's issue.

Chic as athletes rep - do you think you should wade in here and sort this out for lee - I mean lee is a IFBB Pro right !!

Hope this helps.  ;)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Tre on August 22, 2006, 08:17:16 AM

For the record, handing out awards onstage is grossly overrated. 

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 08:20:58 AM
This is so simple I can't believe it's gone 5 pages...

1. First, it's NOT AN IFBB MATTER...it's an issue between Robin (promoter) and Lee (athlete).

2. To LEE:

DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT USE THE TICKET FOR PERSONAL USE?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Adam Empire on August 22, 2006, 08:30:37 AM
This is so simple I can't believe it's gone 5 pages...

1. First, it's NOT AN IFBB MATTER...it's an issue between Robin (promoter) and Lee (athlete).

2. To LEE:

DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT USE THE TICKET FOR PERSONAL USE?

This is so simple I can't believe it's gone 5 pages...

1. First, you are the athletes rep.

2. To BOB:

IS LEE NOT AN IFBB PRO YOU REPRESENT?

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Tre on August 22, 2006, 08:35:16 AM
IS LEE NOT AN IFBB PRO YOU REPRESENT?

You're bright...and therefore you know that Bob can help Lee in his dealings with the IFBB, NOT with AMI.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: dorkeroo on August 22, 2006, 08:37:21 AM
Bob is not the athlete's rep. He has made this abundantly clear. Maybe a new title or designation like IFBB Rep. instead. This isn't intended as a rip, just being honest.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Saxon on August 22, 2006, 08:37:41 AM
1. First, it's NOT AN IFBB MATTER...it's an issue between Robin (promoter) and Lee (athlete).

Surely if the promoter this not functioning within the rules set out in the IFBB rulebook, it is an IFBB matter.

3.2 Olympia:
In Olympia competitions, all competitors, since they must qualify, will be
provided with a round-trip economy-class airline ticket,
accommodations at the
Official Hotel for a minimum of three nights, US $50.00 per day for food and
miscellaneous expenses, and one guest ticket for the Prejudging and Finals.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: dorkeroo on August 22, 2006, 08:38:39 AM
Surely if the promoter this not functioning within the rules set out in the IFBB rulebook, it is an IFBB matter.

3.2 Olympia:
In Olympia competitions, all competitors, since they must qualify, will be
provided with a round-trip economy-class airline ticket,
accommodations at the
Official Hotel for a minimum of three nights, US $50.00 per day for food and
miscellaneous expenses, and one guest ticket for the Prejudging and Finals.


Funny how that will now be ignored twice  :-\ I don't think some people like to see they might be incorrect.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Adam Empire on August 22, 2006, 08:41:41 AM
You're bright...and therefore you know that Bob can help Lee in his dealings with the IFBB, NOT with AMI.

So AMI has no agreement with the IFBB for the O and doesn't need to follow their contracts with IFBB Pros?   Still sounds like an issue for the athletes rep.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: dorkeroo on August 22, 2006, 08:42:27 AM
So AMI has no agreement with the IFBB for the O and doesn't need to follow their contracts with IFBB Pros?   Still sounds like an issue for the athletes rep.

Bob isn't the athlete's rep.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: kmhphoto on August 22, 2006, 08:43:12 AM
Surely if the promoter this not functioning within the rules set out in the IFBB rulebook, it is an IFBB matter.

3.2 Olympia:
In Olympia competitions, all competitors, since they must qualify, will be
provided with a round-trip economy-class airline ticket,
accommodations at the
Official Hotel for a minimum of three nights, US $50.00 per day for food and
miscellaneous expenses, and one guest ticket for the Prejudging and Finals.


That rule is applied to the promoters.
What's in question is if they should purchase him another one IF he owes them for one previously issued.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Saxon on August 22, 2006, 08:51:07 AM
That rule is applied to the promoters.
What's in question is if they should purchase him another one IF he owes them for one previously issued.


The promoter is breaking an IFBB rule.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Bigger Business on August 22, 2006, 08:51:31 AM
its a travesty

is what it is

oh
 
How come we didnt train when you were in perth Marc?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: donrhummy on August 22, 2006, 08:51:47 AM
Bob,

Usually I agree with your posts/comments, but it does sound like Lee at least has a case for examining this further.

1. He states that last year he did not have a binding contract (they didn't sign)
2. He offered to pay back his tickets for last year and was declined and told simply to write an apology letter
3. This year he has a signed (and thus binding) contract for airfare, accomodations, etc.
4. No where in the IFBB rules, nor in the contract of this year does it state that the airfare offered to qualified athletes can be revoked for past disputes/transgressions.

I think all those points of his are enough for you to take up the case and hear both sides of the story in a mediated fashion. If Lee is right on all those counts then in fact, they DO owe him the tickets this year. Should he not have used the tickets even if they told him not to worry about paying them back? No, but it's not against any rules or contract or grounds for taking his airfare this year (assuming he's right about the 4 points above)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Hedgehog on August 22, 2006, 08:54:28 AM
A few reflections, and they mean jack shit IMO...

As an IFBB Athlete's Rep, Cicherillo should pay no attention to the fans.

Absolutely no attention at all to whatever we write on Getbig, or on other forums, or in other media. His only agenda is that of the pro BB's.

No matter what we think of that.

Handling the fans is another matter. Of course Cicherillo needs to handle the fans courteous and shit. But again, others should push the agendas of the fans.

Cicherillo could probably help Priest with how to deal with AMI and the IFBB in general, just giving some much needed input and brainstorming. I think (but my opinion matters jack shit IMO) that Lee needs to sort shit out with the help of Cicherillo. And not over the internet, mind you.

And do this well before the two contests.

This shit isn't about internet IMO.

That Robin character seems to know jack shit about PR. This seems to be Lee's fault. Doesn't matter, you want stuff like this to be handled smoothly and without bumps.

Robin Givens - had the looks. Evidently not the smarts.

YIP
Zack
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: kmhphoto on August 22, 2006, 08:58:18 AM
The promoter is breaking an IFBB rule.


Not if they didn't agree to Lee changing the ticket for his own trip. That ticket was supplied to compete at the 2005 Olympia and could have been used for the 2006. So a ticket has been issued as per the Olympia rules.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 09:02:15 AM
GUYS...

Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill...

Let's not start reciting language of contracts and such.

I know Lee likes to spout off about the rules being followed and such...but lets not forget, he wasn't fined OR suspended despite breaking the Olympia contract last year.

Yes, he had to simply write a letter of apology, which he did...the "ticket matter" wasn't even thought of until Robin went to use the credit THIS year. You think with the Olympia prep and aftermath last year, that the first thing on Robins mind was a lousy $400 ticket?

The issue is overblown...Lee's company (Twinlab) will cover the flight anyway, I believe the hotel rsvp is still there as usual.

If there is anything Lee requests of me, he can simply pick up the phone or email me...
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: gatrainer on August 22, 2006, 09:03:52 AM
that Lee needs to sort shit out with the help of Cicherillo. And not over the internet, mind you.


YIP
Zack
Well said HH. How can Lee expect to be taken serious when he does his negotiating on the Gossip and Opinions board.  It appears that he just wants to whine
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: gatrainer on August 22, 2006, 09:05:53 AM

Why would Lee start now Chick?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: kmhphoto on August 22, 2006, 09:07:18 AM
2. He offered to pay back his tickets for last year and was declined and told simply to write an apology letter

2. That would depend on who he asked. In a previous post he mentions "Jim", if we assume that to be Jim Manion then does he have the authority to decline money on the promoters behalf?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: dorkeroo on August 22, 2006, 09:07:56 AM
GUYS...

Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill...

Let's not start reciting language of contracts and such.

I know Lee likes to spout off about the rules being followed and such...but lets not forget, he wasn't fined OR suspended despite breaking the Olympia contract last year.

Yes, he had to simply write a letter of apology, which he did...the "ticket matter" wasn't even thought of until Robin went to use the credit THIS year.
You think with the Olympia prep and aftermath last year, that the first thing on Robins mind was a lousy $400 ticket?

The issue is overblown...Lee's company (Twinlab) will cover the flight anyway, I believe the hotel rsvp is still there as usual.

If there is anything Lee requests of me, he can simply pick up the phone or email me...

So it has to be by phone? I mean seriously, unless this internet drama is meant to generate interest in the sport (which it has so if this is true, well done), but, it looks as though you do not have his interests in mind, but, rather those of the IFBB.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 09:12:56 AM

If there is anything Lee requests of me, he can simply pick up the phone or email me...

Why would he start now Chick?

Why would he start now? Why didn't he start LAST week??

Why put it on here at all, where it can do nothing to get the problem resolved?

ONE simple phone call would have resulted in ANOTHER simple phone call from me to Robin Chang...this is not a public matter.

Involving 100 anonymous people will accomplish nothing, involving the ONE guy who could resolve the situation would have been the way to go.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 09:19:30 AM
But it's flattering that Lee used the ticket for personal use instead of the Olympia?

No matter how you slice it...why should Robin have to buy ANOTHER ticket for Lee?

As I stated earlier in this thread, ultimately...they would be exchanging $20 bills.

How is it that Robin is the bad guy? Was he supposed to buy a ticket for Lee and whoever to go on vacation?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: dorkeroo on August 22, 2006, 09:21:53 AM
But it's flattering that Lee used the ticket for personal use instead of the Olympia?

No matter how you slice it...why should Robin have to buy ANOTHER ticket for Lee?

As I stated earlier in this thread, ultimately...they would be exchanging $20 bills.

How is it that Robin is the bad guy? Was he supposed to buy a ticket for Lee and whoever to go on vacation?

Are you the athlete's rep? Is that your title?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 09:30:26 AM
Yeah...whats your point?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Hedgehog on August 22, 2006, 09:30:38 AM
Marc,

Did Lee go to Bob with this BEFORE you decided to post it here?

What we've got here, is a failure to communicate.

YIP
Zack
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Sir William Idol on August 22, 2006, 09:34:43 AM
i love how its "Robin buying Lee the $400 ticket" and not the 100+ million dollar company he works for  ::)


i sure hope robins kids dont go hungry because of this hardship  :'(
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Adam Empire on August 22, 2006, 09:38:30 AM

1. He states that last year he did not have a binding contract (they didn't sign)
2. He offered to pay back his tickets for last year and was declined and told simply to write an apology letter
3. This year he has a signed (and thus binding) contract for airfare, accomodations, etc.
4. No where in the IFBB rules, nor in the contract of this year does it state that the airfare offered to qualified athletes can be revoked for past disputes/transgressions.

I think all those points of his are enough for you to take up the case and hear both sides of the story in a mediated fashion. If Lee is right on all those counts then in fact, they DO owe him the tickets this year. Should he not have used the tickets even if they told him not to worry about paying them back? No, but it's not against any rules or contract or grounds for taking his airfare this year (assuming he's right about the 4 points above)

It looks like AMI screwed up last year and bought a non-refundable ticket for someone not contracted with.  AMI screwed up there.

This year there is a contract and it is not being held to.  This is why Robin looks bad. 
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 09:41:20 AM
There WAS a contract last year...Lee broke it, remember?

Few people ever bail out of the Olympia for anything other than a medical excuse...the contract was signed, the flight was booked...simple.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Linnykins on August 22, 2006, 09:45:34 AM
Simply put, AMI made a mistake.  They were not clear with Lee about what he should do about the ticket.  They did not stay on top of their finances by keeping track of the credit.  This should have been resolved quietly months ago.

240 & Original Sin are right, AMI needs to write this off and be done with it.  It is not worth the bad PR, even though personally it sounds to me like Lee should reimburse them for the ticket(s).  In the grand scheme of things, it's not worth it.  It's their fault for not being clear.  Mistakes like these are exactly why companies write off a certain percentage of their revenue every year to bad debt.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: sgt. d on August 22, 2006, 09:46:15 AM
Lee good luck in your PDI show dawg, you should take first place. That would be a good way to end the year.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: sgt. d on August 22, 2006, 09:47:03 AM
Simply put, AMI made a mistake.  They were not clear with Lee about what he should do about the ticket.  They did not stay on top of their finances by keeping track of the credit.  This should have been resolved quietly months ago.

240 & Original Sin are right, AMI needs to write this off and be done with it.  It is not worth the bad PR, even though personally it sounds to me like Lee should reimburse them for the ticket(s).  In the grand scheme of things, it's not worth it.  It's their fault for not being clear.  Mistakes like these are exactly why companies write off a certain percentage of their revenue every year to bad debt.

no you are wrong, go back and read chick and ron statement
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Adam Empire on August 22, 2006, 09:52:10 AM
There WAS a contract last year...Lee broke it, remember?

Few people ever bail out of the Olympia for anything other than a medical excuse...the contract was signed, the flight was booked...simple.

How did he break the unsigned contract last year? 

Yes cause i sent it to them after i signed it and they sent it back both copies my fax and original unsigned.That is why i also decided to pull out last year as i have said before it was usigned.But this years copy is signed by both.

This year both parties signed.  Different situation.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Original Sin on August 22, 2006, 09:53:47 AM
There WAS a contract last year...Lee broke it, remember?

Few people ever bail out of the Olympia for anything other than a medical excuse...the contract was signed, the flight was booked...simple.

You OFFICIALY need to charge your position the IFBB Athlete's Liason.  I have strongly supported you, because I feel you were right most of the time, but I won't do it blindly.  You come on here and defend AMI without even talking to either party first.  Basically you just picked a side and surprise surprise it is one opposing Lee.  I don't think you can be objective anymore in any matter concerning Lee. 

Lee did screw AMI, TWICE in fact, Three times if you count the baseless attack on Robin. 
But you should have talked to Lee and Robin prior to coming on here and giving the official party line.  >:(

Robin could have at least faxed Lee and told him of the cancellation and why, maybe he did but guess what you didn't ask Lee to find out.  We all know he has a fax machine because how else did he get his PDI card.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: sgt. d on August 22, 2006, 09:55:13 AM
You OFFICIALY need to charge your position the IFBB Athlete's Liason.  I have strongly supported you, because I feel you were right most of the time, but I won't do it blindly.  You come on here and defend AMI without even talking to either party first.  Basically you just picked a side and surprise surprise it is one opposing Lee.  I don't think you can be objective anymore in any matter concerning Lee. 

Lee did screw AMI, TWICE in fact, Three times if you count the baseless attack on Robin. 
But you should have talked to Lee and Robin prior to coming on here and giving the official party line.  >:(

Robin could have at least faxed Lee and told him of the cancellation and why, maybe he did but guess what you didn't ask Lee to find out.  We all know he has a fax machine because how else did he get his PDI card.

Do you read at all?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Original Sin on August 22, 2006, 09:58:16 AM
Do you read at all?

Obviously you don't

Lee stated Bob (the IFBB Liason) NEVER talked to him.

Now take a DEEP BREATH and shove your head back up your ass.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: RHINO290 on August 22, 2006, 10:05:34 AM
Simply put, AMI made a mistake.  They were not clear with Lee about what he should do about the ticket.  They did not stay on top of their finances by keeping track of the credit.  This should have been resolved quietly months ago.

240 & Original Sin are right, AMI needs to write this off and be done with it.  It is not worth the bad PR, even though personally it sounds to me like Lee should reimburse them for the ticket(s).  In the grand scheme of things, it's not worth it.  It's their fault for not being clear.  Mistakes like these are exactly why companies write off a certain percentage of their revenue every year to bad debt.

Well, if this was just about the ticket and hotel, they would write it off. Truth is, they are pissed becasue Lee is the ONLY ifbb pro with balls to compete in the PDI, everyone else is just plain scared. Shit, I know a certain pro who wnats to train with me, but won't train at his normal gym, because he does not want weinberger to see us together....That is just ridiculous.

Oh, and Original sin is right, chick is about bashing pdi, because thats what they want hi to do, thats why he bashes me....We are a threat, I know chick you are gonna say"we don't matter, we have not even had a show" and yet, you talk more about us than your own Olympia....TOo obvious, sorry.

good call original sin, you see more than I thought.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: dorkeroo on August 22, 2006, 10:06:11 AM
Yeah...whats your point?

You really come off unprofessionally when you respond like that in my opinion. Anyways, my point is that if you are indeed the athlete's rep, call Lee and settle this another way instead of trying to make yourself feel better on what you refer to as (maybe not these exact words) a meaningless message board (one the IFBB athlete's rep has spent almost a month on I might add).

You don't seem like you are representing Lee and even if he competes in the PDI, he will still be a suspened IFBB athlete, or more simply, an athlete in your care.

By the way, as bad as this sounds, thanks for responding to my post as although I do disagree with your approach here, it is a small thrill for me to have a question answered by an IFBB pro. I do respect some of what you guys do, and see the huge physiques like juiced up race cars. Anyways, best of luck to you and I won't ask about this again if I can help it.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Tre on August 22, 2006, 10:06:51 AM
US $50.00 per day for food and miscellaneous expenses...

That's too low.  

My sponsored athletes get $100/day per diem and I'm willing to bet that AMI made a *lot* more money than me last year.  
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: RHINO290 on August 22, 2006, 10:07:29 AM
You must be a woman, a dumb one at that

Oh she is a woman, but certainly not dumb, I can attest to that.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Original Sin on August 22, 2006, 10:12:58 AM
Oh she is a woman, but certainly not dumb, I can attest to that.

Now that is a loaded statement  ;D

Thank you dear  :-* :-*
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Tre on August 22, 2006, 10:14:37 AM
240 & Original Sin are right, AMI needs to write this off and be done with it.  It is not worth the bad PR...

They don't care about bad PR, because they know bodybuilding fans are suckers who, by and large, will not put our money where our mouths are.  If I live in the U.S. and want to see the best bodybuilders in the world, the IFBB is the only option I have.  So, no matter how much I might gripe about IFBB-this and IFBB-that, at the end of the day, I'm still going to pay to attend 4-5 shows a year.

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Disgusted on August 22, 2006, 10:15:22 AM
Well, if this was just about the ticket and hotel, they would write it off. Truth is, they are pissed becasue Lee is the ONLY ifbb pro with balls to compete in the PDI, everyone else is just plain scared. Shit, I know a certain pro who wnats to train with me, but won't train at his normal gym, because he does not want weinberger to see us together....That is just ridiculous.

Oh, and Original sin is right, chick is about bashing pdi, because thats what they want hi to do, thats why he bashes me....We are a threat, I know chick you are gonna say"we don't matter, we have not even had a show" and yet, you talk more about us than your own Olympia....TOo obvious, sorry.

good call original sin, you see more than I thought.


Bingo
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Tre on August 22, 2006, 10:18:50 AM

Bingo

Almost, but not quite.

I disagree with the notion that PDI - which has not yet held a single event - is already a 'threat' to the IFBB. 

That's almost like saying that the Red Sox are a threat to the Yankees.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Linnykins on August 22, 2006, 10:24:07 AM
They don't care about bad PR, because they know bodybuilding fans are suckers who, by and large, will not put our money where our mouths are.  If I live in the U.S. and want to see the best bodybuilders in the world, the IFBB is the only option I have.  So, no matter how much I might gripe about IFBB-this and IFBB-that, at the end of the day, I'm still going to pay to attend 4-5 shows a year.



I'm not going to the Olympia this year, in part because I was not at all impressed by the production last year.  But unfortunately, you are right.  There seems to be a monopoly on bodybuilding at the moment, which is why I'm hoping the PDI will succeed.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 10:25:39 AM
For the last time....THIS IS NOT AN PDI ISSUE.

No one made it a PDI issue, except for PDI supporters.

I talked to Robin Chang about this matter 4 days ago. I have all the facts right.

There is no disputing that a ticket was issued for Lee to compete in the Olympia.

There is no disputing that Lee did NOT compete in the Olympia.

There is no disputing the fact that Lee did use the ticket for his own personal use.

As Robin paid for the ticket, he has every right to expect a refund from Lee.

Jim Manion merely requested a letter of apology be written for BREAKING the contract...he has nothing to do with expenses/ promotion of the Olympia.

None of this came to light until Robin tried to use the flight credit THIS year, which he found out, was already used.

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 10:32:38 AM
Well, if this was just about the ticket and hotel, they would write it off. Truth is, they are pissed becasue Lee is the ONLY ifbb pro with balls to compete in the PDI, everyone else is just plain scared. Shit, I know a certain pro who wnats to train with me, but won't train at his normal gym, because he does not want weinberger to see us together....That is just ridiculous.

Oh, and Original sin is right, chick is about bashing pdi, because thats what they want hi to do, thats why he bashes me....We are a threat, I know chick you are gonna say"we don't matter, we have not even had a show" and yet, you talk more about us than your own Olympia....TOo obvious, sorry.

good call original sin, you see more than I thought.

Jack-

Your post makes no sense whatsoever..

Why would the IFBB be pissed? If he competes in the PDI, he'll be suspended anyway...

You can't be a threat when the NOC has a less than 50% chance of even taking place....you also can't be considered a threat with the line-up they are currently advertising...

It's a nice little BB federation that caters to guys who couldn't cut it in the NPC (much like yourself,Jack..)  and others who are in the position of not being in the top 3/4 of the best. It is what it is...comparing it to the IFBB is a joke.

Lee has done nothing to date..only expressed an interest to compete in a non-sanctioned show. If and when he steps on that stage, only then will action be taken....thinking this is in some way a defience from Robin Chang, is laughable...
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Hedgehog on August 22, 2006, 10:34:17 AM
For the last time....THIS IS NOT AN PDI ISSUE.

No one made it a PDI issue, except for PDI supporters.

I talked to Robin Chang about this matter 4 days ago. I have all the facts right.

There is no disputing that a ticket was issued for Lee to compete in the Olympia.

There is no disputing that Lee did NOT compete in the Olympia.

There is no disputing the fact that Lee did use the ticket for his own personal use.

As Robin paid for the ticket, he has every right to expect a refund from Lee.

Jim Manion merely requested a letter of apology be written for BREAKING the contract...he has nothing to do with expenses/ promotion of the Olympia.

None of this came to light until Robin tried to use the flight credit THIS year, which he found out, was already used.



I don't follow...

Why would an Athlete's Rep get involved in this sort of matter?

You're not a booking agent or something, or are you?


Why not let it go? Seems like a good idea if you ask me. Though my opinion means jack shit IMO.

YIP
Zack
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Original Sin on August 22, 2006, 10:35:05 AM
Now for something completely different....

Dear Bob,
What ever came out of your representation to the IFBB for Dennis James (and others) lack of prize money.  Were you ever able to get the billion dollar corporation to at least cover the monies owed to the IFBB Athletes?  I am sure in the time that you sat down with them in the meeting the intrest alone from the capital of the corporation more then covered the costs.

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: RHINO290 on August 22, 2006, 10:38:01 AM
Jack-

Your post makes no sense whatsoever..

Why would the IFBB be pissed? If he competes in the PDI, he'll be suspended anyway...

You can't be a threat when the NOC has a less than 50% chance of even taking place....you also can't be considered a threat with the line-up they are currently advertising...

It's a nice little BB federation that caters to guys who couldn't cut it in the NPC (much like yourself,Jack..)  and others who are in the position of not being in the top 3/4 of the best. It is what it is...comparing it to the IFBB is a joke.

Lee has done nothing to date..only expressed an interest to compete in a non-sanctioned show. If and when he steps on that stage, only then will action be taken....thinking this is in some way a defience from Robin Chang, is laughable...


as usuall, can't accept a different opinion, and you must take shots at me. Thats okay bro.

By the way, still waiting for you to admit you were wrong..... you are so predictable
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 10:44:23 AM
Now for something completely different....

Dear Bob,
What ever came out of your representation to the IFBB for Dennis James (and others) lack of prize money.  Were you ever able to get the billion dollar corporation to at least cover the monies owed to the IFBB Athletes?  I am sure in the time that you sat down with them in the meeting the intrest alone from the capital of the corporation more then covered the costs.



No, I presented it..it was rejected and the responsibility put on the promoters shoulders.

I then preceded to make a proposal to the IFBB to cover all purses, as they are the sanctioning body...it was subsequently passed.

All shows are guaranteed now.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Original Sin on August 22, 2006, 10:53:56 AM
No, I presented it..it was rejected and the responsibility put on the promoters shoulders.

I then preceded to make a proposal to the IFBB to cover all purses, as they are the sanctioning body...it was subsequently passed.

All shows are guaranteed now.

Thank you for answering.  And thanks for trying, I was lookng around and hadn't heard anything.

I know I have said it before, great job on the changes you have made and hopefully your proposals this year will be just as grand.

later
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Shawn Ray on August 22, 2006, 11:08:36 AM
Shawn just shows how little you know  :-*  ;)

Ah Lee, so you wanna spill the beans or address your legions of Fans with what I dont know?
What exactly do you mean, did I miss something here?

Why dont you explain for us Superman :-*
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: pushinweight on August 22, 2006, 11:16:49 AM
For the last time....THIS IS NOT AN PDI ISSUE.

No one made it a PDI issue, except for PDI supporters.

I talked to Robin Chang about this matter 4 days ago. I have all the facts right.

There is no disputing that a ticket was issued for Lee to compete in the Olympia.

There is no disputing that Lee did NOT compete in the Olympia.

There is no disputing the fact that Lee did use the ticket for his own personal use.

As Robin paid for the ticket, he has every right to expect a refund from Lee.

Jim Manion merely requested a letter of apology be written for BREAKING the contract...he has nothing to do with expenses/ promotion of the Olympia.

None of this came to light until Robin tried to use the flight credit THIS year, which he found out, was already used.



Oh yes it is a PDI issue.  That is exactly why they have made it public like this.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: saucetradomous on August 22, 2006, 11:17:33 AM
I figured this would be a good time to post the link to Lee's 2005 olympia contract which hadn't really changed from the years preceeding it-- but I don't know how different this years contract is

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=90215.0;attach=97699;image)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Saxon on August 22, 2006, 11:17:49 AM
That's too low. 

My sponsored athletes get $100/day per diem and I'm willing to bet that AMI made a *lot* more money than me last year. 

The judges get $75 per day.   :D
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: RHINO290 on August 22, 2006, 11:17:58 AM
Mr. Rhino who are you again? Why havent I heard of you?

I wish I was famous like you. You have acomplished so much, that I should bow to you, right?(LOL)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 22, 2006, 11:19:04 AM
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Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Shawn Ray on August 22, 2006, 11:36:03 AM
Lee & a friend used last year's plane tix for a trip not related to the Mr. O. :o

Lee, the right thing to do was simply send the IFBB their money back when you decided to use them for personal use but then again that would have gone against who you are.

Out.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 11:59:14 AM
1. Did they issue you flight tickets for last years show?
2. Did you use them for a different flight?
3. Did they agree that you could change the tickets?

If 1 and 2 are true but 3 is false then you owe them the tickets and it is not unreasonable for them to expect you to pay for your tickets this year.


It is when i asked - do i have to pay it back and was told no - just write a letter. Now 12 months later after buying my new ticket and signing the contract stating that they cancell it. MMMMMMMMMMM
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 12:01:46 PM
Actually, now that you mention it, I remember hearing that story somewhere.  Don't you think that he had reasons for saying that to Twinlab though?  You pulling out of the show at the last minute was a big blow to the Olympia last year as you were one of the favorite athlete.  Many people came all the way from Australia with their family just to see you compete, I remember reading their posts on the boards and their were so dissapointed/pissed off that you did not.  You did not seem to care back then, you just said, I had to do what I had to do.
You are right with the fact that the new venue had a few technical problems last year but you have to remember that after spending so many years at the Mandalay, they had things down, this was the 1st year at a new Casino, I'm sure this year, a lot of the bugs will be worked out and the show will run lot smoother, don't you agree?
Lastly, why were you so personal in your attack at Robin in the mags?  Did he do something to you on a personal level?  What you said wasn't cool, you have to know that.

That's right he did.But thats between us.So until you know the whole story Dave no need to comment.:)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 12:04:20 PM
This is so simple I can't believe it's gone 5 pages...

1. First, it's NOT AN IFBB MATTER...it's an issue between Robin (promoter) and Lee (athlete).

2. To LEE:

DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT USE THE TICKET FOR PERSONAL USE?

OH SHIT - BOB WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON? I SAID YES BUT THAT WAS AFTER I WAS TOLD I DIDNT HAVE TO PAY IT BACK. UNDERSTAND THAT NOW DO WE. IT WAS IN MY NAME LIKE YOU SAID - WHAT COULD THEY DO WITH IT. NOW THEY HAVE ANOTHER IN MY NAME. WE BOTH SIGNED THE CONTRACT FOR THIS YEAR STATING THE PLANE TICKETS WOULD BE PAID FOR. HE KNEW THAT WAS IT THERE - HE SIGNED IT. OR IS THE CONTRACT LIKE THE RULES YOU CAN PICK AND CHOOSE AND CHANGE THINGS WHENEVER.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 12:06:03 PM
So AMI has no agreement with the IFBB for the O and doesn't need to follow their contracts with IFBB Pros?   Still sounds like an issue for the athletes rep.

AND IF THAT IS THE CASE I CAN DO THE PDI THEN. IF IT'S NOT THE IFBB'S SHOWS BUT AMI'S.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: willie mosconi on August 22, 2006, 12:07:20 PM
OH SHIT BOB WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON?I SAID YES BUT THAT WAS AFTER I WAS TOLD I DIDNT HAVE TO PAY IT BACK.UNDERSTAND THAT NOW DO WE.IT WAS IN MY NAME LIKE YOU SAID WHAT COULD THEY DO WITH IT.NOW THEY HAVE ANOTHER IN MY NAME. WE BOTH SIGNED THE CONTRACT FOR THIS YEAR STAING PLANE WOULD BE PAID FOR.HE KNEW THAT WAS IN THERE HE SIGNED IT.OR IS THE CONTRACT LIKE THE RULES YOU CAN PICK AND CHOOSE AND CHANGE THINGS WHENEVER.

yeah, i don't see why people can't see your point. they keep trying to bring up last year, even though it seems last year's issues have been resolved
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 12:10:05 PM
GUYS...

Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill...

Let's not start reciting language of contracts and such.

I know Lee likes to spout off about the rules being followed and such...but lets not forget, he wasn't fined OR suspended despite breaking the Olympia contract last year.

Yes, he had to simply write a letter of apology, which he did...the "ticket matter" wasn't even thought of until Robin went to use the credit THIS year. You think with the Olympia prep and aftermath last year, that the first thing on Robins mind was a lousy $400 ticket?

The issue is overblown...Lee's company (Twinlab) will cover the flight anyway, I believe the hotel rsvp is still there as usual.

If there is anything Lee requests of me, he can simply pick up the phone or email me...

WENT TO USE THE CREDIT - IT WAS BOUGHT BACK IN JULY BOB. HE CANCELLED IT YESTERDAY. WHAT IT TOOK ALMOST A MONTH TO SAY OH I DIDNT GET CREDIT FOR IT. COME ON
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 12:12:10 PM
But it's flattering that Lee used the ticket for personal use instead of the Olympia?

No matter how you slice it...why should Robin have to buy ANOTHER ticket for Lee?

As I stated earlier in this thread, ultimately...they would be exchanging $20 bills.

How is it that Robin is the bad guy? Was he supposed to buy a ticket for Lee and whoever to go on vacation?

THEN WHY PUT IT IN MY CONTRACT THIS YEAR AND SIGN IT?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 12:19:24 PM
Ah Lee, so you wanna spill the beans or address your legions of Fans with what I dont know?
What exactly do you mean, did I miss something here?

Why dont you explain for us Superman :-*

AH YES YOU DID
WHEN YOUR SHIP CAME IN SHAWN
YOU WERE AT THE AIRPORT SORRY BUD :)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Adam Empire on August 22, 2006, 12:20:40 PM
BINGO!
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 12:22:02 PM
Lee & a friend used last year's plane tix for a trip not related to the Mr. O. :o
Lee, the right thing to do was simply send the IFBB their money back when you decided to use them for personal use but then again that would have gone against who you are.
Out.

HEY SHAWN YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES.

LETS OR JUST FEEL THE LOVE AND GO GIVE OUR MOTHER A HUG.... OH WAIT YOU CAN'T ..WHY IS THAT AGAIN?

BUT HEY GOD FORGIVES YOU ISN'T THAT RIGHT

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: kmhphoto on August 22, 2006, 12:28:06 PM
OH SHIT BOB WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON?I SAID YES BUT THAT WAS AFTER I WAS TOLD I DIDNT HAVE TO PAY IT BACK.

Who was it who told you?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 12:29:18 PM
I'm not sure what planet YOU'RE on Lee...

I did give Mrs. Ray a hug, as she was at Shawns house last week for Asia's 1st birthday party...

If your swetting the $300 airfare, lee...maybe I can get a collection going for ya.

(perhaps the lee priest foundation can lend a hand)...! ;D


You seem alwfully concerned about getting to the Olympia, knowing you'll be DQed at the PDI/NOC....Hmmmmm...!

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: legbreaker on August 22, 2006, 12:39:43 PM
If the promoter signed a contract for THIS YEARS Mr.O that said tix were included then tix should be included.  Who cares about last year..that's done with and has NO bearing on THIS years NEW contract.  

On another note, I never figured a great bodybuilder like Shawn ray to be such a f---- wash women.  Bob writes a lot on here but is sort of diplomatic, but Shawn....man, what a girl.  On second thought Bobs a little wash women too but not as bad as SR.   
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 12:46:46 PM
Lee-

At what point do YOU accept responsibility for YOUR own actions?

You bail on the Olympia contract, after the show was promoted, after the arrangements were made, after many of your fans had already booked THEIR tickets, etc...

Now, this year you decide to sign the same contract as last year, after trashing the IFBB, Robin Chang, the Olympia, etc.....and you've got the balls to bitch about a lousy $400 ticket that YOU already used...???

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 22, 2006, 12:50:07 PM
about a lousy $400 ticket

Don't poopoo $400.

With that kinda loot, you can get a complete website, start to finish, and still have enough money left over to buy a delicious, romantic dinner for two!

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: JaggyShortBuff on August 22, 2006, 12:56:13 PM
Don't poopoo $400.

With that kinda loot, you can get a complete website, start to finish, and still have enough money left over to buy a delicious, romantic dinner for two!



"The Plug-Master"
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 22, 2006, 12:58:09 PM
I do think that $99 is a little high for a lobster dinner, but that's because I consider Red Lobster to be fine dining.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: danielson on August 22, 2006, 12:59:37 PM
I do think that $99 is a little high for a lobster dinner, but that's because I consider Red Lobster  to be fine dining.

I ate 60 shrimp once at the all you could eat and I was sick for days :-X
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: gary67 on August 22, 2006, 01:01:34 PM
Lee-

At what point do YOU accept responsibility for YOUR own actions?

You bail on the Olympia contract, after the show was promoted, after the arrangements were made, after many of your fans had already booked THEIR tickets, etc...

Now, this year you decide to sign the same contract as last year, after trashing the IFBB, Robin Chang, the Olympia, etc.....and you've got the balls to bitch about a lousy $400 ticket that YOU already used...???


Hey Chick at what point do you accept your postion as the ATHLETES REP ::) ::) ::)  or is that the IFBB KISS ASS  I mean really Bob you ought to be ashamed of yourself.  I mean you are always patting yourself on the back on how great of a job you are doing for the athletes ::) ::) ::)  We can see how much you really do for the athletes ;) It is quite clear Bob.  Keep up the good work Bob.  
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: RHINO290 on August 22, 2006, 01:02:30 PM
Hey Chick at what point do you accept your postion as the ATHLETES REP ::) ::) ::)  or is that the IFBB KISS ASS  I mean really Bob you ought to be ashamed of yourself.  I mean you are always patting yourself on the back on how great of a job you are doing for the athletes ::) ::) ::)  We can see how much you really do for the athletes ;) It is quite clear Bob.  Keep up the good work Bob.  

more monster truth
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Original Sin on August 22, 2006, 01:02:48 PM
I do think that $99 is a little high for a lobster dinner, but that's because I consider Red Lobster to be fine dining.

Well, we won't be dating  :-\
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: RHINO290 on August 22, 2006, 01:03:42 PM
Well, we won't be dating  :-\

Come on Baby, anywhere you want...sky's the limit
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Original Sin on August 22, 2006, 01:05:23 PM
Come on Baby, anywhere you want...sky's the limit

Well that is focusing, but not on the right thing  :-*
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: RHINO290 on August 22, 2006, 01:12:11 PM
Well that is focusing, but not on the right thing  :-*

Don't worry, I am focused, I won't let you down.....thank you.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Tre on August 22, 2006, 01:21:35 PM
For the last time....THIS IS NOT AN PDI ISSUE.

No one made it a PDI issue, except for PDI supporters.

I talked to Robin Chang about this matter 4 days ago. I have all the facts right.

There is no disputing that a ticket was issued for Lee to compete in the Olympia.

There is no disputing that Lee did NOT compete in the Olympia.

There is no disputing the fact that Lee did use the ticket for his own personal use.

As Robin paid for the ticket, he has every right to expect a refund from Lee.

Jim Manion merely requested a letter of apology be written for BREAKING the contract...he has nothing to do with expenses/ promotion of the Olympia.

None of this came to light until Robin tried to use the flight credit THIS year, which he found out, was already used.

Chick -

You don't need to hear this, but just wanted you to know that this is one of your most well-written posts ever.

It's clear as day, spells out all the facts, and leaves no room for confusion or misinterpretation.

---

People can say "well, what happened last year is over and done with", but Robin acted properly when he attempted to apply the credit for last year's ticket to this year's free trip. 
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Sir William Idol on August 22, 2006, 01:25:33 PM
typical schmoe response, likes to be told what to do by people with girly names and male-level testosterone counts
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: newmom on August 22, 2006, 01:27:17 PM
did chang ask for the money back after lee announced he was doing the pdi...and this doesnt mean I am a pdi supporter just curious

very interesting reading though
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 01:27:41 PM
Thanks Tre,

For some reason, the peanut gallery seems to think that as Athletes Rep...My job is to call all 250 athletes every day and see what I can help them out with...

Lee never contacted me reguarding this matter, and still has not requested I do anything on his behalf...his recourse was to have his friend (HRDCORE) post it here online..
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Sir William Idol on August 22, 2006, 01:30:11 PM
Thanks Tre,

For some reason, the peanut gallery seems to think that as Athletes Rep...My job is to call all 250 athletes every day and see what I can help them out with...

Lee never contacted me reguarding this matter, and still has not requested I do anything on his behalf...his recourse was to have his friend (HRDCORE) post it here online..

if you weren't wasting your time on getbig all day you could make those calls easily
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 01:30:53 PM
did chang ask for the money back after lee announced he was doing the pdi...and this doesnt mean I am a pdi supporter just curious

very interesting reading though

Robin didn't ask for the money back, as he believed there was a credit sitting there to be used THIS year...when he went to use the credit, it was discovered there was no credit as Lee had used it for his own personal vacation...THAT'S when he (Robin) stated that he would not be picking up the airfare portion as it was already used.

 

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: kmhphoto on August 22, 2006, 01:35:42 PM
Robin didn't ask for the money back, as he believed there was a credit sitting there to be used THIS year...when he went to use the credit, it was discovered there was no credit as Lee had used it for his own personal vacation...THAT'S when he (Robin) stated that he would not be picking up the airfare portion as it was already used.


Case closed.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: newmom on August 22, 2006, 01:36:22 PM
there ya go...

thanks for answering bob...dont forget get the bugaboo stroller..I just love mine..

now can we all play nice nice
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Original Sin on August 22, 2006, 01:52:10 PM
Thanks Tre,

For some reason, the peanut gallery seems to think that as Athletes Rep...My job is to call all 250 athletes every day and see what I can help them out with...

Lee never contacted me regarding this matter, and still has not requested I do anything on his behalf...his recourse was to have his friend (HRDCORE) post it here online..

Maybe it is just me, but if your going to speak on this issue or any other as the IFBB Liason, you should have at least talked to both parties in question FIRST.  Your position dictates a certain amount of professional to be maintained. 

The resentful Peanut Galley has spoken
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Hedgehog on August 22, 2006, 01:56:16 PM
Maybe it is just me, but if your going to speak on this issue or any other as the IFBB Liason, you should have at least talked to both parties in question FIRST.  Your position dictates a certain amount of professional to be maintained. 

The resentful Peanut Galley has spoken

I think that's something Cicherillos could consider.

Keeping the fans out of the loop, and keeping more of the discussions between athletes.

Less fun for people like you and me OS.

But a whole lot less shit hitting the fan for the BB's.

YIP
Zack
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 22, 2006, 01:59:22 PM
Well, we won't be dating  :-\

So you would only date a guy who is willing to drop $100 on dinner often?

Au Digger.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Ron on August 22, 2006, 02:00:02 PM
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You can't be a threat when the NOC has a less than 50% chance of even taking place

Ok - the NOC will take place in NYC. Let's stop knocking the PDI and the show. And concentrate on the upcoming shows, including this weekend Super Show, and the big Olympia, where its time to have fun! My favorite pictures at the USA is Tre getting smooshed via an Amazon women's breasts, and Tre moaning.

Quote
Free Shawn's mom.


Shawn's mom is not in prison. She has been out for a while. Now, again, people's families are off limits, so if you have a question about a mother, father, daughter, son - ask privately. So yes - his mother is free.

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The IFBB does not want Lee Priest at the Olympia and if he shows up, he will be escorted out of the building.

Lee nor anyone else will not be kicked out of the Olympia. Anyone can come. Just pay your ticket or expo admission. There is no grounds to escort anyone out of anywhere.


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Chang has every right to take action for last year's contract issues. But this is a different contract. Chang should not have offered it to Lee if Chang was unhappy about last year. I don't see where Chang has any legal basis to break the contract here.

Nothing is broken. Simple fact. If Lee wants the ticket, he needs to pay for it, because the credit for that ticket has been used for personal use. It is so simple. I don't care what competitor it is - the same goes for anyone.

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No one made it a PDI issue, except for PDI supporters. Oh yes it is a PDI issue.

There is no issue here for the PDI. Simple use of business funds for personal funds, and the need to reimburse the company or just pay for your own ticket this year to cover last years ticket. Simple.

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For some reason, the peanut gallery seems to think that as Athletes Rep...My job is to call all 250 athletes every day and see what I can help them out with...

I 100% agree with this statement Bob! You need to, every week, on a daily basis , split up that list into 5 (weekends you get off), and it isnt 250 male competitors, it is about 200, so that is about 40 a day. And you do not get off either because 40% of them are international competitors, they need to be called also.

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Original Sin on August 22, 2006, 02:01:04 PM
So you would only date a guy who is willing to drop $100 on dinner often?

Au Digger.

Damn proud of it!  8)

You get what you pay for  ;)

that should be open ended enough for a few good comments  :-*
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Original Sin on August 22, 2006, 02:04:46 PM
Oh Great and powerful Ron,

Why is there no thread listing info about the NOC?  You have started many about the Olympia which is great but why not one about the NOC.  Until it fails or not we as fans have to assume that it will go on.  So shouldn't fans of Body Building at least be able to use Getbig as a place to get some kind of info?

Just my $10
(a Gold Digger has got to have standards)  ;D
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: RHINO290 on August 22, 2006, 02:05:01 PM
Damn proud of it!  8)

You get what you pay for  ;)

that should be open ended enough for a few good comments  :-*

And worth every penny.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Adam Empire on August 22, 2006, 02:14:43 PM

Nothing is broken. Simple fact. If Lee wants the ticket, he needs to pay for it, because the credit for that ticket has been used for personal use. It is so simple. I don't care what competitor it is - the same goes for anyone.


Though I am not a lawyer, from what I know - this could be a legal problem for AMI (as much as it sounds like it couldn't be).  When a contract is broken - and yes there is a signed contract for the 2006 Olympia stating they will pay Lee's airfare - that can mean the entire contract is null and void.  So if any of Lee's images are used before, during, or after the show - there could be legal ramifications (since the that same contract is what gives them permission to do so).  That's how contracts can work in the legal system - once one party doesn't hold their end of the bargain, all bets are off...

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Hedgehog on August 22, 2006, 02:16:53 PM
Oh Great and powerful Ron,

Why is there no thread listing info about the NOC?  You have started many about the Olympia which is great but why not one about the NOC.  Until it fails or not we as fans have to assume that it will go on.  So shouldn't fans of Body Building at least be able to use Getbig as a place to get some kind of info?

Just my $10
(a Gold Digger has got to have standards)  ;D

One question..

Is this the first post you post for someone else?





At least you tried to make the post into your own by writing that part about Gold Digger...

YIP
Zack
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 02:18:17 PM
Lee-

At what point do YOU accept responsibility for YOUR own actions?

You bail on the Olympia contract, after the show was promoted, after the arrangements were made, after many of your fans had already booked THEIR tickets, etc...

Now, this year you decide to sign the same contract as last year, after trashing the IFBB, Robin Chang, the Olympia, etc.....and you've got the balls to bitch about a lousy $400 ticket that YOU already used...???



Bob like we said it was in the contract. Mr Chang had plenty of time to ask for the money back - i offered it was not taken up. This year is a different contract. WHAT CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND. SO PLEASE AMI PAYS YOU - WHAT ELSE ARE YOU GOING TO SAY. LAST YEARS IS OLD NEWS BIG BOY - OVER AND DONE. THIS IS A NEW YEAR - A NEW SIGNED CONTRACT. BUT KEEP BRINGING UP THE OLD IF IT JUSTIFIES YOUR BULLSHIT LOGIC.

YEAH LOUSY 400 AND THEY MAKE HOW MUCH - WHO IS THE ONES BITCHING - NOT ME - LIKE I SAID TWINLAB WILL PICK UP THE TAB IT JUST COMES DOWN TO THEM NOW BREAKING A SIGNED CONTRACT WHICH YOU LOOK DOWN UPON SO MUCH DON'T YOU BOB? CAUSE YOU KEEP BRINGING IT UP. NOW MR CHANG BREAKS HIS END OF THE SIGNED CONTRACT THATS OK. YOU MIGHT ALSO WANT TO CHECK WHEN LAST YEARS TICKET WAS BOUGHT - THATS RIGHT BOB YOU ONLY HAVE 12 MONTHS BEFORE IT CAN'T BE USED.

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Original Sin on August 22, 2006, 02:20:32 PM
One question..

Is this the first post you post for someone else?





At least you tried to make the post into your own by writing that part about Gold Digger...

YIP
Zack

Nope all me,

Just trying to be more open minded...
it has so many soft and passionate possibilities that way..   :-* ;)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 02:20:36 PM
https://eitin.travelinc.com/ViewItin.cfm?i=44J66UI

 Where does it say it's cancelled?   :-\

ON THE PHONE YESTERDAY WHEN THE TRAVEL AGENT CALLED ME. NO MR CHANG COULDN'T CALL. HAD SOME LADY MILLI DO IT FROM THE TRAVEL CENTRE TO LET ME KNOW I WOULD HAVE TO PAY AS ROBIN CANCELLED MY TICKET.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 02:23:02 PM
Thanks Tre,

For some reason, the peanut gallery seems to think that as Athletes Rep...My job is to call all 250 athletes every day and see what I can help them out with...

Lee never contacted me reguarding this matter, and still has not requested I do anything on his behalf...his recourse was to have his friend (HRDCORE) post it here online..

SEE BOB THERE YOU GO AGAIN I DIDNT ASK MARK TO POST IT. HE DID IT ON HIS OWN I COULDNT CARE LESS IF I WANTED IT ON HERE - I WOULD HAVE DONE IT MYSELF FOR GOD SAKE.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 02:24:50 PM
Robin didn't ask for the money back, as he believed there was a credit sitting there to be used THIS year...when he went to use the credit, it was discovered there was no credit as Lee had used it for his own personal vacation...THAT'S when he (Robin) stated that he would not be picking up the airfare portion as it was already used.

 


OH AND WERE WAS MY VACTION TO MR I KNOW ALL.DO TELL THE PEANUT GALLERY.JUST CHECK TO MAKE SURE I USED IT FIRST MR KNOW IT ALL. ;)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 02:29:34 PM
Though I am not a lawyer, from what I know - this could be a legal problem for AMI (as much as it sounds like it couldn't be).  When a contract is broken - and yes there is a signed contract for the 2006 Olympia stating they will pay Lee's airfare - that can mean the entire contract is null and void.  So if any of Lee's images are used before, during, or after the show - there could be legal ramifications (since the that same contract is what gives them permission to do so).  That's how contracts can work in the legal system - once one party doesn't hold their end of the bargain, all bets are off...

I KNOW WHY CAN'T BOB SEE THAT. DON'T EVEN MENTION LAST YEAR AS THEY DIDNT SIGN IT LAST YEAR AND IT WAS ALL TAKEN CARE OF WE THOUGHT TILL YESTERDAY. BUT NEW YEAR 2006 NEW SIGNED CONTRACT STATING WHAT I WILL RECIEVE WHEN SIGNED NOW AMI HAS BROKEN THAT CONTRACT VOIDED ONCE AGAIN.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: sgt. d on August 22, 2006, 02:39:25 PM
Lee your not fooling anybody, you are not doing the NOC. Good luck at the O ;D
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: dorkeroo on August 22, 2006, 02:45:01 PM
Thanks Tre,

For some reason, the peanut gallery seems to think that as Athletes Rep...My job is to call all 250 athletes every day and see what I can help them out with...

Lee never contacted me reguarding this matter, and still has not requested I do anything on his behalf...his recourse was to have his friend (HRDCORE) post it here online..

Hey Bob, maybe do some checking on who is actually in the "Peanut Gallery" as you like to call it. I bet you half the people here have more education in their pinky finger than you have in your entire body.

You are the athlete's liason, you are not a rep. You want to throw stones fine, but, in 10 years when you aren't flavour of the week anymore, see how many fans you have left. If you don't care then fine, but, if you do, don't talk like this  to people who have other things than their body to brag about.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: kmhphoto on August 22, 2006, 02:45:18 PM
BUT NEW YEAR 2006 NEW SIGNED CONTRACT STATING WHAT I WILL RECIEVE WHEN SIGNED NOW AMI HAS BROKEN THAT CONTRACT VOIDED ONCE AGAIN.


The 2006 contract states that an airline ticket will be provided, not how. So, unless you had permission from the promoter to change your 2005 itinerary, you have used the ticket that remained credited to you for this show.

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 22, 2006, 02:57:19 PM
The 2006 contract states that an airline ticket will be provided, not how. So, unless you had permission from the promoter to change your 2005 itinerary, you have used the ticket that remained credited to you for this show.

The 2006 Contract reads:

As a participating athlete, you will receive the following:
1) One round-trip airline ticket from your place of residence to Las Vegas.


Now, unless the 2006 contract references the requirement that the 2005 ticket credit was to be applied, Chang has no argument.  Remember, we're not arguing what's right or wrong - we're arguing the legality of that agreement.  And unless the 2006 contract references that 2005 itinery, there is no connection. 



Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: onlyme on August 22, 2006, 02:58:33 PM

The 2006 contract states that an airline ticket will be provided, not how. So, unless you had permission from the promoter to change your 2005 itinerary, you have used the ticket that remained credited to you for this show.



Did the promoter tell Lee he couldn't use it.  And also Lee is right when you purchase a ticket you only have 12 months to use till it's no good.  So maybe the ticket was expired anyway.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 22, 2006, 03:03:31 PM

The 2006 contract states that an airline ticket will be provided, not how. So, unless you had permission from the promoter to change your 2005 itinerary, you have used the ticket that remained credited to you for this show.



Also kev, let me add that I'm not making any judgments of right or wrong, or anything like that.  I'm working to remain neutral, as I tend to get too involved in the politics of things.

It is my understanding that 2005 and 2006 were two separate contracts.  And it really should be written into the contract, exactly what happens to that leftover ticket, any year, should that athlete not compete.  Sounds like there was a lack of complete contracts, and poor communication here, that's all.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: YoungBlood on August 22, 2006, 03:05:12 PM

It is when i asked - do i have to pay it back and was told no - just write a letter. Now 12 months later after buying my new ticket and signing the contract stating that they cancell it. MMMMMMMMMMM

What kind of guy would use a ticket that was paid for, for them to fly to a specific event, for their own use and not expect to have to reimburse them? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Sounds to me, like someone tried to get away with something, and was caught with their hand in the cookie jar. >:(
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: newmom on August 22, 2006, 03:11:41 PM
I too am neutral but did lee said he used it like onlyme posted...and 240 is right it should be stipulated more in the contract
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 22, 2006, 03:15:09 PM
Yeah, this really isn't a huge issue.  Looking at that contract, i was shocked that it was so simple.  In a sport with so many logistical failure points, you would think they'd contingency plan everything.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: onlyme on August 22, 2006, 03:16:32 PM
That contract those guys sign is so full of holes anyway.  It's nickname is "swiss cheese".  I can't believe the legal eagles at Weider or the IFBB have such an amateurish contract in the first place.  I do know for a fact though the pros do not like a complicated contract.  Keep it simple, less strain on the brain.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: ether on August 22, 2006, 03:37:59 PM
Lee your not fooling anybody, you are not doing the NOC. Good luck at the O ;D

Lee, how is the Olympia prep going?

Do you think you'll place top 10?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: willie mosconi on August 22, 2006, 03:42:45 PM
That contract those guys sign is so full of holes anyway.  It's nickname is "swiss cheese".  I can't believe the legal eagles at Weider or the IFBB have such an amateurish contract in the first place.  I do know for a fact though the pros do not like a complicated contract.  Keep it simple, less strain on the brain.

one of these days a bb that has a lawyer friend will sue them
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 22, 2006, 03:55:03 PM
one of these days a bb that has a lawyer friend will sue them

Bbers are too busy suing fans and message board jackasses.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: dr.chimps on August 22, 2006, 04:12:54 PM
Bbers are too busy suing fans and message board jackasses.
*golf clap* Well played, Sir.  ;D
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: gary67 on August 22, 2006, 04:13:26 PM
Thanks Tre,

For some reason, the peanut gallery seems to think that as Athletes Rep...My job is to call all 250 athletes every day and see what I can help them out with...

Lee never contacted me reguarding this matter, and still has not requested I do anything on his behalf...his recourse was to have his friend (HRDCORE) post it here online..
Let me guess Bob you are way to busy kissing the IFBB's ass. I know you and Shawn take extra shifts but lets try and make some time for the athletes. ;)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Ron on August 22, 2006, 04:35:01 PM

Once again, what is so hard to understand here. Lee admitted he used the ticket that was supposed to be for the Olympia for personal use. Some $420 worth of credit. So either he reimburses AMI for last years ticket, and they pay this years tickets, or vice versa. This is Business 101 guys!
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Linnykins on August 22, 2006, 04:57:18 PM
Once again, what is so hard to understand here. Lee admitted he used the ticket that was supposed to be for the Olympia for personal use. Some $420 worth of credit. So either he reimburses AMI for last years ticket, and they pay this years tickets, or vice versa. This is Business 101 guys!


But it sounds like Lee is not going to pay it.  So what is AMI to do?  Send him to collections?  Go to court?  For $400? I doubt it...
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: willie mosconi on August 22, 2006, 05:01:12 PM
But it sounds like Lee is not going to pay it.  So what is AMI to do?  Send him to collections?  Go to court?  For $400? I doubt it...

why not?

if you don't pay a small dentist bill or what have you, they'll send it to collections
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Shawn Ray on August 22, 2006, 05:55:42 PM
Good luck in the PDI Lee ;D
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 06:08:35 PM
Bob like we said it was in the contract. Mr Chang had plenty of time to ask for the money back - i offered it was not taken up. This year is a different contract. WHAT CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND. SO PLEASE AMI PAYS YOU - WHAT ELSE ARE YOU GOING TO SAY. LAST YEARS IS OLD NEWS BIG BOY - OVER AND DONE. THIS IS A NEW YEAR - A NEW SIGNED CONTRACT. BUT KEEP BRINGING UP THE OLD IF IT JUSTIFIES YOUR BULLSHIT LOGIC.

YEAH LOUSY 400 AND THEY MAKE HOW MUCH - WHO IS THE ONES BITCHING - NOT ME - LIKE I SAID TWINLAB WILL PICK UP THE TAB IT JUST COMES DOWN TO THEM NOW BREAKING A SIGNED CONTRACT WHICH YOU LOOK DOWN UPON SO MUCH DON'T YOU BOB? CAUSE YOU KEEP BRINGING IT UP. NOW MR CHANG BREAKS HIS END OF THE SIGNED CONTRACT THATS OK. YOU MIGHT ALSO WANT TO CHECK WHEN LAST YEARS TICKET WAS BOUGHT - THATS RIGHT BOB YOU ONLY HAVE 12 MONTHS BEFORE IT CAN'T BE USED.



Robin wasn't going to ask for the money back...he was going to use it THIS year for your expenses.

YOU already used it...What is your justification for using a ticket for yourself?

Yeah, check the date Lee...The Olympia is earlier this year...so I'm sure they checked before it was to expire.

No matter how you try and spin it lee...you're in the wrong. It wasn't your ticket to do whatever you wanted to..it was for the sole purpose of competing in the Olympia...which you did not.

So you expect Robin to eat it, and buy you a ticket for this year?? LOLOLOL...you are one funny mofo..

Who's to say you don't bail out again? All of this is academic, of course, when you compete in the NOC and are suspended...so what are you arguing the point? ;D


BTW...I'll personally guarantee nothing happens to you in reguards to doing other things required of you at the Olympia...no problem. Do you really think anyone cares if you show up at the press conference, or participate in the Meet the Olympians night (soley for the purpose of YOU making money)...or do the DVD?

Much like last year...if you don't like it...DON'T COMPETE.

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 22, 2006, 06:10:15 PM
All of this is academic, of course, when you compete in the NOC...so what areb you arguing the point for? ;D

Holy lack of neutrality, batman!
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Stavios on August 22, 2006, 06:10:49 PM
Robin wasn't goping to ask for the money back...he was going to use it THIS year for your expenses.

YOU already used it...What is your justification for using a ticket for yourself?

Yeah, check the date Lee...The Olympia is earlier this year...so I'm sure they checked before it was to expire.

No matter how you try and spin it lee...you're in the wrong. It wasn't your ticket to do whatever you wanted to..it was for the sole purpose of competing in thee Olympia...which you did not.

So you expect Robin to eat it, and buy you a ticket for this year?? LOLOLOL...you are one funny mofo..

Who's to say you don't bail out again? All of this is academic, of course, when you compete in the NOC...so what areb you arguing the point for? ;D



Monster truth tought...
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: corinth on August 22, 2006, 06:13:38 PM
Chick has got Lee on this one.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 06:16:21 PM
Holy lack of neutrality, batman!

I'm being neutral...I'm here to explain the facts.

fact is, unless Lee gets smart in the next 3 weeks...he'll be suspended. those are the rules.



Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: knny187 on August 22, 2006, 06:19:00 PM
I usually side with Lee....


but if I was in his shoes....I wouldn't be too surprised that this happened.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: lastrep on August 22, 2006, 06:29:46 PM
"Mr Chang had plenty of time to ask for the money back - i offered it was not taken up."

This is enough.. Lee offered it back and it was not accepted. NO one implied that it would be used towards next year or any other years.

Plain and simple.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 06:31:54 PM
Robin wasn't going to ask for the money back...he was going to use it THIS year for your expenses.

YOU already used it...What is your justification for using a ticket for yourself? Yeah, check the date Lee...The Olympia is earlier this year...so I'm sure they checked before it was to expire. No matter how you try and spin it lee...you're in the wrong. It wasn't your ticket to do whatever you wanted to..it was for the sole purpose of competing in the Olympia...which you did not. So you expect Robin to eat it, and buy you a ticket for this year?? LOLOLOL...you are one funny mofo.. Who's to say you don't bail out again? All of this is academic, of course, when you compete in the NOC and are suspended...so what are you arguing the point? ;D BTW...I'll personally guarantee nothing happens to you in reguards to doing other things required of you at the Olympia...no problem. Do you really think anyone cares if you show up at the press conference, or participate in the Meet the Olympians night (soley for the purpose of YOU making money)...or do the DVD? Much like last year...if you don't like it...DON'T COMPETE.

Ok Bob thanks for your stupid insight.The ticket was in my name - he didnt ask for it back when i asked to pay for it. It was not put into this years contract at all - 2005 is separate from 2006. Robin should not have signed the contract this year and got my ticket then should he. Oh i like to argue with you that's why. You have nothing else to do so i keep you busy. You are sitting there making up stupid questions for the press conference to bore us all again. How do you think you will do/can you beat him/what do you have that he dosen't? Yeah should be fun :)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: tommywishbone on August 22, 2006, 06:40:27 PM
How much was his original subscription?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: legbreaker on August 22, 2006, 06:42:38 PM
If the promoter was going to use Lee's LAST years plane tix for THIS years olympia he simply would NOT have sent out OR signed a 2006 contract (which states plane tix included) without making an amendment to it.  That's simple and the bottom line.  What's morally right or correct or the right thing to do is completely irrelavant here. 

Just like in all sports certain athletes sell tickets.  In the "game " of Bodybuilding Lee Priest sells tix...I would say maybe more than any other pro except for Ronnie Coleman and as many as Jay Cutler.  The promoter has benifitted greatly from Lee Priest being in their contest.  If they got to eat a plane tix because he used it big deal.  You can not depend on last years contract, whether he competed or not, to mean anything this year. 
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: newmom on August 22, 2006, 06:44:54 PM
I sure hope chang changes the contract regarding a competitor pulling out of the olympia.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Ron on August 22, 2006, 06:49:32 PM
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You are sitting there making up stupid questions for the press conference to bore us all again.

Well - this year, it will be a press conference, if the press actually decide to ask a question. I was guilty of not asking a question either last year.  So this year, after the Montreal show, I will put up a section, for anyone who wants us press guys to ask various questions that are interesting. Should be good and entertaining.

Quote
Why is there no thread listing info about the NOC? You have started many about the Olympia which is great but why not one about the NOC.


There have been many threads of the NOC and PDI on this board. Free speech. But the Olympia, a 4-day weekend event with 4 major shows gets into own board. Absolutely.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Original Sin on August 22, 2006, 06:52:12 PM
I'm being neutral...I'm here to explain the facts.

fact is, unless Lee gets smart in the next 3 weeks...he'll be suspended. those are the rules.


Okay my I am sliding to the dark side and I don't like it, it smells over here...

Bob,
I have to question you about your stance with Lee.  Hopefully you can set me straight about a few things.

You have stated that Lee is a one man show and that is why you cannot support his cause to the brass.  You have also stated that you require a majority of the membership to take action (This might not be an accurate paraphrase). 

My question is;
The proposals that you got passed for the benefit of the Athletes, which nobody can deny are not a benefit.  How did you achieve the majority of the membership vote before you presented them to the brass?  Also, with the lack of support shown at your meeting by the athletes, how did you achieve your required majority of voices to present the propals that you are going to present this year?

Depending on what side of the fence you are standing on, Lee's stance could be a benefit for the athlete's as well.  Do you decide on personal reasoning which items are worthy and need to be addressed?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 06:52:18 PM
If the promoter was going to use Lee's LAST years plane tix for THIS years olympia he simply would NOT have sent out OR signed a 2006 contract (which states plane tix included) without making an amendment to it.  That's simple and the bottom line.  What's morally right or correct or the right thing to do is completely irrelavant here. 

Just like in all sports certain athletes sell tickets.  In the "game " of Bodybuilding Lee Priest sells tix...I would say maybe more than any other pro except for Ronnie Coleman and as many as Jay Cutler.  The promoter has benifitted greatly from Lee Priest being in their contest.  If they got to eat a plane tix because he used it big deal.  You can not depend on last years contract, whether he competed or not, to mean anything this year. 

Yeah...how much did the promoter benefit from Lee last year..?

Again, for the hundreth time....THE PROMOTER DIDN'T KNOW THE TICKETS WERE USED ALREADY. THE CONTRACT WAS SENT OUT FIRST...

The promoter wouldn't start making airline/ hotel arrangements until the athlete COMMITS to competing by signing the contract..get it??
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: shiftedShapes on August 22, 2006, 06:58:24 PM
I'm being neutral...I'm here to explain the facts.

fact is, unless Lee gets smart in the next 3 weeks...he'll be suspended. those are the rules.

You're not supposed to be neutral genius you are supposed to advocate for the advocates not AMI or the IFBB.  From your behavior you don't even seem neutral, rather you appear to be aligned with the IFBB and AMI against any athletes that threaten its profit margin. 
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: legbreaker on August 22, 2006, 07:00:55 PM
I do get it.  In this particular case though the promoter is hurting himself by not checking up with Lee about the tix BEFORE sending out the contract.  if he simply made a phone call he could have ameded the contract and there would be no problems.
Hopefully the promoter and IFBB will allow Lee to compete at the Olympia.  he could take care of his tix, compete at the Olympia then the NOC and maybe wake up the rest of the competitors in the IFBB so that they all realize the IFBB and weider have gotten very rich while you dig into your savings to pay your food bill each week.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Jr. Yates on August 22, 2006, 07:02:33 PM
I do get it.  In this particular case though the promoter is hurting himself by not checking up with Lee about the tix BEFORE sending out the contract.  if he simply made a phone call he could have ameded the contract and there would be no problems.
Hopefully the promoter and IFBB will allow Lee to compete at the Olympia.  he could take care of his tix, compete at the Olympia then the NOC and maybe wake up the rest of the competitors in the IFBB so that they all realize the IFBB and weider have gotten very rich while you dig into your savings to pay your food bill each week.
...Hopefully.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: willie mosconi on August 22, 2006, 07:03:27 PM
I do get it.  In this particular case though the promoter is hurting himself by not checking up with Lee about the tix BEFORE sending out the contract.  if he simply made a phone call he could have ameded the contract and there would be no problems.
Hopefully the promoter and IFBB will allow Lee to compete at the Olympia.  he could take care of his tix, compete at the Olympia then the NOC and maybe wake up the rest of the competitors in the IFBB so that they all realize the IFBB and weider have gotten very rich while you dig into your savings to pay your food bill each week.

it would benefit both lee and the ifbb for him to compete in the o

if they suspend him for competing in the pdi, that is horrendous. allow the man some freedom
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: bigtexan44 on August 22, 2006, 07:06:20 PM
How long is this same conversation going to last?THe same thing over and over. Your killing me.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: willie mosconi on August 22, 2006, 07:12:32 PM
How long is this same conversation going to last?THe same thing over and over. Your killing me.

i think lee is trying to establish the fact that the contract has been broken, so he can disregard any requirements at the O without being subject to punitive action
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Special Ed on August 22, 2006, 07:17:20 PM
Lee,

Call me to file suit against Weider in New York for breach of contract. You've got them dead to rights on this one.

Special "Barrister" Ed
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 07:17:41 PM
i think lee is trying to establish the fact that the contract has been broken, so he can disregard any requirements at the O without being subject to punitive action

The argument can be made that the ticket has ALREADY been provided...

No one cares if Lee chooses to participate in anything else...believe me.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: dearth on August 22, 2006, 07:20:58 PM
this thread is hilarious....

Bob somehow finds Lee at fault (again) and Chang/AMI justified in their actions..
but guess what...Bob is on the AMI payroll!! what a coincidence!
Bob is also the IFBB athletes rep.. however he has done more to represent AMI/IFBB
in this particular dispute.

maybe because
1) IFBB hates Lee for speaking his mind
2) IFBB hates Lee for talking about defecting
3) AMI hates Lee for backing out of the olympia
3) Jim Manion = IFBB
4) Robin Chang = AMI
4) Bob takes directions from Jim Manion
5) Bob also takes directions from Robin Chang
6) Bob cannot differentiate the 2005 olympia contract from the 2006 olympia contract
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: bigtexan44 on August 22, 2006, 07:21:14 PM
Chick,
What do the rest of the athletes think about Lee's situation. Do they even care. I know you said he is a one man army but does he have any allies?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 07:29:08 PM
this thread is hilarious....

Bob somehow finds Lee at fault (again) and Chang/AMI justified in their actions..
but guess what...Bob is on the AMI payroll!! what a coincidence!
Bob is also the IFBB athletes rep.. however he has done more to represent AMI/IFBB
in this particular dispute.

maybe because
1) IFBB hates Lee for speaking his mind
2) IFBB hates Lee for talking about defecting
3) AMI hates Lee for backing out of the olympia
3) Jim Manion = IFBB
4) Robin Chang = AMI
4) Bob takes directions from Jim Manion
5) Bob also takes directions from Robin Chang
6) Bob cannot differentiate the 2005 olympia contract from the 2006 olympia contract

*I* found Lee at fault? Lee used the ticket for personal use, it wan't his to do so.

Theres nothing to "represent" Lee about...Even he stated, he doesn't care, he didn't post it, he didn't ask for my help....

The IFBB hates lee?  Funny, he won the Ironman AFTER bailing on the Olympia contract...If they "hated" him...I'm sure no one would've raised a brow If David Henry won.

The contracts may be different years...but the fact remains the same: The ticket was not used for the reason it was bought...it rightfullly stays with the person who purchased it (Robin Chang) to do what he wanted with it....he opted to save it for THIS year.

The 2006 contract states they will supply airfare...they did. Lee used it for something else.

Basic law 101 people....
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: HRDCOR on August 22, 2006, 07:37:51 PM
Quote
 This is so simple I can't believe it's gone 5 pages...

1. First, it's NOT AN IFBB MATTER...it's an issue between Robin (promoter) and Lee (athlete).
  


What a cop out !!!!

Is the Olympia a IFBB sanctioned show ??
Is Lee a IFBB PRO??
Did you hold a IFBB Pro meeting at this IFBB show last year ??
Are you the IFBB Pro Athlete Rep??

Heres some more questions
Who Appointed you IFBB PRO REP?
Who do you work for at the Olympia weekend?

This situation can be likened to a Union Representative , the Employers vs the Employees so to speak , and in no way would a group of Employees have a individual whom is financially obligated to the Employers as Representative of their best intrests -- ever-- and you have asked the question many times , "Why don't the Athletes turn up to my meetings, I will tell you why , because they aren't that stupid that they can see straight through this farcard.

Shawn its amazing that when you were a athlete voicing the same concerns as lee that you felt the whole IFBB was against you , in fact just last year you were still voicing these same concerns , but now you have seem to have had a change of heart , wonder why that is , considering nothing has changed to improve upon your concerns .
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: HRDCOR on August 22, 2006, 07:51:25 PM
Quote
No one cares if Lee chooses to participate in anything else...believe me.                       


No you DONT CARE CHIC , but 100s of 1000s of fans DO, on this side of the world Lee is the biggest thing in the sport, LEE is Bodybuilding on this side of the world, you would think AMI would recognise this and be prepared to have all this shit smoothed out , what I want to know is why cant a athlete individually negotiate a contract with a promoter, lets say Ronnie and Jay decided they wanted more or something changed in the contract before they committed to showing , would they have the ability to negotiate this or is it just a closed shop ,end of story deal !!

Don't know any other professional athletes that would not have the ability to negotiate his or her contracts !!
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: The Freakshow on August 22, 2006, 07:52:24 PM
I just have to step up for Robin.

He is a straight up guy. For as long as I've known him (many years), he has been a man of integrity. He has always been fair in his business dealings. In fact, he is very generous. He's just a plain nice guy!

When I hear people talk smack about Robin Chang, I can assume they don't know him.

In my opinion, most of the beef people have with Robin, is really a beef with AMI or the IFBB and they just take it out on him.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Stavios on August 22, 2006, 07:54:02 PM
Well - this year, it will be a press conference, if the press actually decide to ask a question. I was guilty of not asking a question either last year.  So this year, after the Montreal show, I will put up a section, for anyone who wants us press guys to ask various questions that are interesting. Should be good and entertaining.


Great !!
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: HRDCOR on August 22, 2006, 07:57:25 PM
Quote
  just have to step up for Robin.

He is a straight up guy. For as long as I've known him (many years), he has been a man of integrity. He has always been fair in his business dealings. In fact, he is very generous. He's just a plain nice guy!

When I hear people talk smack about Robin Chang, I can assume they don't know him.

In my opinion, most of the beef people have with Robin, is really a beef with AMI or the IFBB and they just take it out on him.                             

Ummm I think that is because Robyn calls the shots for AMI in regards to the Olympia and all this is about some of the calls he makes in regards to this position , remember it was only last year that 1000s of fans where up in arms about the poor running of the Olympia under Robyn's charge , and already this year it is starting to repeat itself !!!

On a personal level Robyn probably is a good guy, most people are , but on a business level in regards to the Olympia he is not leaving allot to be desired !!
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: sgt. d on August 22, 2006, 07:57:43 PM
When will this ever end >:(
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 08:00:25 PM
Lee doesn't have a problem with it Marc..you do.

There is nothing for me to do...the facts are the facts.

No special consideration will be given to Lee, he's equal as every other athlete is.

Lee might very well be the most popular guy in the sport...the show still went on as scheduled last year, and had a record turnout.

Why should Robin buy him ANOTHER ticket?

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: HRDCOR on August 22, 2006, 08:16:33 PM
Quote
Lee doesn't have a problem with it Marc..you do.
                   

Lee does have a problem with it , he even stated so !!

I don't have a problem with it persay , only as a good friend of Lees , but I do have a opinion on it ( and allot of other things as you probably have noticed) , who,s to say I am right or wrong , that doesn't really matter as we are all allowed our say (aren't we ?) , just as you have your stance on it all ( which has been made clear) , But you gotta admit , although you cant say it , if this was a argument I would be pretty dam good at it !!! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: tommywishbone on August 22, 2006, 08:20:09 PM
I worked with Robin in 1990/91 at Weiders Muscle Camps. I remember he smelled like Top Ramen & Gummy Bears.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 08:25:46 PM
The argument is weak...

Lee should pay for the ticket he used...Robin should pick up this years ticket.

End of story.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 08:30:56 PM
Ok my last post on this. A message was left by Mr Changs secratary saying he was on plane gong to New York and would call. End of day no call (wow suprise). End of story. Mark just bang your head on the wall like me it really feels good :)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 08:34:14 PM
You brought this on yourself, lee...

Why do you believe you were owed a free ticket?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: HRDCOR on August 22, 2006, 08:34:57 PM
But why would Robyn wait to now to be concerned about the events of last year , it was negotiated and put to rest last year on the events of 2005 in regards to lee , why buy Lees ticket this year and then cancel it (against the agreed contract)now ?? And why get Jim Manion to tell lee about it , why didnt Robyn talk to lee hymself ??
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 08:36:15 PM
You brought this on yourself, lee...

Why do you believe you were owed a free ticket?

Oh are you talking to me. BLAH BLAH BLAH BOB.
BOB YOU WORK FOR AMI WE UNDERSTAND SO SPARE US THE BLAH BLAH BLAH.BORING

END OF STORY, OUT ,DISMISS, OVER UNDER ,RODGER RODGER.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: HRDCOR on August 22, 2006, 08:38:54 PM
Quote
Mark just bang your head on the wall like me it really feels good                           

Nah not yet , I am enjoying seeing your REP help you out as much as he can over this delemia , he realy has your best wishes at heart , its very heart warming to see , no wonder all the guys go out of there way to talk with Chic over there concerns !!

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: sgt. d on August 22, 2006, 08:39:30 PM
Oh are you talking to me. BLAH BLAH BLAH BOB.
BOB YOU WORK FOR AMI WE UNDERSTAND SO SPARE US THE BLAH BLAH BLAH.BORING

END OF STORY, OUT ,DISMISS, OVER UNDER ,RODGER RODGER.

You love the attention dont you
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: gary67 on August 22, 2006, 08:40:06 PM
Ok my last post on this.A message was left by Mr Changs secratary saying he was on plane gong to New York and would call.End of day no call(wow suprise).End of story.
Mark just bang your head on the wll like me it really feels good :)
Are you sure he wasn't on his way to Bobs house to give him his new and improved puppet strings :D
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: onlyme on August 22, 2006, 08:40:16 PM
It sounds like Robin has what Manion and Weider got. Weideritis.  It's where you can't do your own dirty work.  You have to hide and have someone else do it.  It is pretty common among IFBB officials.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: corinth on August 22, 2006, 08:40:53 PM
You love the attention dont you

Exactly. this sums up what this whole thing is all about.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: onlyme on August 22, 2006, 08:41:16 PM
Well - this year, it will be a press conference, if the press actually decide to ask a question. I was guilty of not asking a question either last year.  So this year, after the Montreal show, I will put up a section, for anyone who wants us press guys to ask various questions that are interesting. Should be good and entertaining.
 

There have been many threads of the NOC and PDI on this board. Free speech. But the Olympia, a 4-day weekend event with 4 major shows gets into own board. Absolutely.

So did the Colorado Pro Ron.  But we understand.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 08:45:07 PM
You brought this on yourself, lee...

Why do you believe you were owed a free ticket?

Nice response, Lee...try answering the question.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 22, 2006, 08:47:27 PM
Nice response, Lee...try answering the question.
OH BOB I HAVE OVER AND OVER.WHAT IS WRONG WITH OU STERIODS AND OLD AGE MAKE YOU DEAF? :)
I KNOW DOING WHAT YOUR DOING WILL MAKE YOU BLIND  :P
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: HRDCOR on August 22, 2006, 08:47:58 PM
Quote
Nice response, Lee...try answering the question.                          


Ummm since you are on about having questions answered, can you answer all my questions , please  :-*

Gotta admit this is fun !!
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: onlyme on August 22, 2006, 08:48:05 PM
I just have to step up for Robin.

He is a straight up guy. For as long as I've known him (many years), he has been a man of integrity. He has always been fair in his business dealings. In fact, he is very generous. He's just a plain nice guy!

When I hear people talk smack about Robin Chang, I can assume they don't know him.

In my opinion, most of the beef people have with Robin, is really a beef with AMI or the IFBB and they just take it out on him.

I find this hard to believe simply because he is associated with the IFBB who is notorious for having NO integrity and always shady business dealings.  How can someone so clean with so much integrity sit back and allow the IFBB to do the things they do to the members.  I do not know who this Robin is and in fact thought it was a girl up until someone finally said something.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Mr. Michael Moore on August 22, 2006, 08:50:05 PM
Hey, Bob, whenever there's a something going on regarding Priest you always sound a 'bit' harsh on the guy's ass, why is that so? I've been noticing this for a while, and it only stands to reason figuring out that you might have something against the little guy on a personal level, am I right?

Now, if that rings true, would that be because Lee is an accomplished bodybuilder, with years and years of exposure and a great fan base within the bb community, and you NOT? Would that be because Lee is 1000 times (and some more) the bodybuilder you would ever dream to be, and never will? Would that because Lee fucked one of your past girlfriends and you didn't get over it like a man, or had the balls to set him straight because of it at teh time? Tell us Bob, what the f u c k  is your problem with Priest? I have never seen you speak one good thing about the guy, not even a compliment for the physique he posses, or his history in the IFBB. It's always good to remember you that while you were banging constantly at the pros' door in the IFBB, Lee was already competing with the top dogs, and stomping on the O stage with the likes of Levrone and the Shadow - AT THE ELDER AGE OF 22!!!!!! :o Sounds good , doesn't it? You 're now what? 40? 50? Do you think you still have something left on you to hit the stage, besides stiring commotion and gossiping around here all day? I'm surprised that you didn't (yet) have the same end that the piece of shit of your friend called Tom Prince had, since you were/are like milk and coffee......well, good for you, i guess.

Now do all of us a favor, and at least ONCE, do something for a coleague and help out a fellow pro to set this trouble straight. Notice I didn't even ONCE said Priest was right, here. All I'm asking you is to be HELPFUL, as in fulfilling YOUR role as the athlete's representative, and help one of them easy up the trouble that he got himself into. That's all. Do something out of altruism, and for once, at least once, don't kiss IFBB/AMI butt, ok?!

Thanx!!  
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 08:50:18 PM

Ummm since you are on about having questions answered, can you answer all my questions , please  :-*

Gotta admit this is fun !!

sure, Marc...fire away.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: onlyme on August 22, 2006, 08:55:02 PM
Once again, what is so hard to understand here. Lee admitted he used the ticket that was supposed to be for the Olympia for personal use. Some $420 worth of credit. So either he reimburses AMI for last years ticket, and they pay this years tickets, or vice versa. This is Business 101 guys!


Actually the IFBB should betaking Business 101.  That contract they have is the weakest thing ever.  No way ever did a lawyer draw that up.  No way.  That is so weak it's funny.  There is no way ever that contract would hold up in court over any arguement.  And does the contract stipulate the flight is only to be used to fly to Vegas for the Olympia.  Are the dates specified.  If not I would consider it open-end.  Especially since Lee paidfor his own flight to vegas and didn't even use the ticket.  Anyway I would take the IFBB to court.  Number one they would never go to court and would settle out of court with Lee.  No way will you see an organziation whose sole existance is due to illegal drugs, show up in court.  No way.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: HRDCOR on August 22, 2006, 08:57:35 PM

Questions from past posts like these you mean ??


But why would Robyn wait to now to be concerned about the events of last year , it was negotiated and put to rest last year on the events of 2005 in regards to lee , why buy Lees ticket this year and then cancel it (against the agreed contract)now ?? And why get Jim Manion to tell lee about it , why didnt Robyn talk to lee hymself ??



Is the Olympia a IFBB sanctioned show ??
Is Lee a IFBB PRO??
Did you hold a IFBB Pro meeting at this IFBB show last year ??
Are you the IFBB Pro Athlete Rep??

Heres some more questions
Who Appointed you IFBB PRO REP?
Who do you work for at the Olympia weekend?

what I want to know is why cant a athlete individually negotiate a contract with a promoter, lets say Ronnie and Jay decided they wanted more or something changed in the contract before they committed to showing , would they have the ability to negotiate this or is it just a closed shop ,end of story deal !!




Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 08:57:52 PM
Hey, Bob, whenever there's a something going on regarding Priest you always sound a 'bit' harsh on the guy's ass, why is that so? I've been noticing this for a while, and it only stands to reason figuring out that you might have something against the little guy on a personal level, am I right?

Now, if that rings true, would that be because Lee is an accomplished bodybuilder, with years and years of exposure and a great fan base within the bb community, and you NOT? Would that be because Lee is 1000 times (and some more) the bodybuilder you would ever dream to be, and never will? Would that because Lee fucked one of your past girlfriends and you didn't get over it like a man, or had the balls to set him straight because of it at teh time? Tell us Bob, what the f u c k  is your problem with Priest? I have never seen you speak one good thing about the guy, not even a compliment for the physique he posses, or his history in the IFBB. It's always good to remember you that while you were banging constantly at the pros' door in the IFBB, Lee was already competing with the top dogs, and stomping on the O stage with the likes of Levrone and the Shadow - AT THE ELDER AGE OF 22!!!!!! :o Sounds good , doesn't it? You 're now what? 40? 50? Do you think you still have something left on you to hit the stage, besides stiring commotion and gossiping around here all day? I'm surprised that you didn't (yet) have the same end that the piece of shit of your friend called Tom Prince had, since you were/are like milk and coffee......well, good for you, i guess.

Now do all of us a favor, and at least ONCE, do something for a coleague and help out a fellow pro to set this trouble straight. Notice I didn't even ONCE said Priest was right, here. All I'm asking you is to be HELPFUL, as in fulfilling YOUR role as the athlete's representative, and help one of them easy up the trouble that he got himself into. That's all. Do something out of altruism, and for once, at least once, don't kiss IFBB/AMI butt, ok?!

Thanx!! 


I've got nothing against Lee, never have...were not on the same level as bodybuilders, so why would I resent him? All the power to him...he's a rebel, and so he must take the heat as he gives it. Weve always been friends, and fight for many of the same beliefs.

You don't see me being this harsh with anyone else for the simple reason that Lee seems to be the one with the problem all the time.

As for "helping out a fellow pro"...he never asked for help. He never called me to explain the situation. If this was a matter that needed my asistance, I'd be the first to speak up...it's not.

I've asked for Robin to pay for his ticket for this year...

I've asked Lee to pay for the one he used....

Now everyones even....

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: french mistake on August 22, 2006, 08:58:28 PM
The awfull truth.

Lee obviously incapable of understanding the basics of paying someone back and other items.

1.  He is a Pro bodybuilder and uses tickets that were in his name for personal use, after blowing off his fans.
2.  Being a Pro bodybuilder, he is not used to being called on shit, and cannot comprehend this situation, as he does whatever the fuck he wants, no matter what, like some other pros.
3. Sounds like he thinks a letter that says he's sorry for blowing off the Olympia last year, has a bonus prize of free tickets.
4. No matter what Chang does, and how reasonable he is, by just asking him to pay his own way this time, he's fucked, as the Lee fans will always defend Lee no matter how many non-refundable airline trips he uses.
5. Lee knows that he can always go to the line and get a pass on anything, because, well, he's Lee.
6. Lee knows that if money does not come out of one sponsors pocket, there will be another who's pocket he can get into.
7. Chick is not Lee's babysiter. Nor is he the inner voice of telling him to just let Chang know he used the tickets, and then the surprise for Chang that they were used would not of occurred.
8. Warhol said that everyone gets 15 minutes of fame.
  
      
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 09:04:54 PM
But why would Robyn wait to now to be concerned about the events of last year , it was negotiated and put to rest last year on the events of 2005 in regards to lee , why buy Lees ticket this year and then cancel it (against the agreed contract)now ?? And why get Jim Manion to tell lee about it , why didnt Robyn talk to lee hymself ??


questions like these from past posts you mean ??

Is the Olympia a IFBB sanctioned show ??
Is Lee a IFBB PRO??
Did you hold a IFBB Pro meeting at this IFBB show last year ??
Are you the IFBB Pro Athlete Rep??

Heres some more questions
Who Appointed you IFBB PRO REP?
Who do you work for at the Olympia weekend?

what I want to know is why cant a athlete individually negotiate a contract with a promoter, lets say Ronnie and Jay decided they wanted more or something changed in the contract before they committed to showing , would they have the ability to negotiate this or is it just a closed shop ,end of story deal !!






1.) first question has already been answered many times...it never came to the attention that the ticket was USED by Lee until recently, when the travel agent told Robin there was no credit on it....

2.) The ticket was bought when the contract was signed..the promoter doesn't buy tickets for the athletes until AFTER they have committed to entering the show...simple.

3.)
Is the Olympia a IFBB sanctioned show ??
A. Yes
Is Lee a IFBB PRO?
A.Yes
Did you hold a IFBB Pro meeting at this IFBB show last year ??
A.Yes
Are you the IFBB Pro Athlete Rep??
A.Yes

4.)Who Appointed you IFBB PRO REP?
A.Jim Manion after the position was posted for a month with no one else showing interest in the position.

Who do you work for at the Olympia weekend?
A.BB.com and AMI

what I want to know is why cant a athlete individually negotiate a contract with a promoter, lets say Ronnie and Jay decided they wanted more or something changed in the contract before they committed to showing , would they have the ability to negotiate this or is it just a closed shop ,end of story deal !!
A. Its a closed shop, end of story deal.


Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: HRDCOR on August 22, 2006, 09:11:07 PM
Basically Chic you had a choice when I posted this dilemma from the very start in that you could have come on the Board ( as you like to do) and said something to the effect of " shit , really I didn't know about this , I will endeavour to contact lee and Robyn and sort this shit out as it does no one any good to have this feud going on , the Olympia will benefit by having lee at there show and lee will benefit by competting at the show , I will do my up most to have this situation sorted ASAP for all concerned " or you could have chosen to bag lee, to alienate yourself from the athlete you are meant to represent and side with the promoter, to let all know you don't care what happens to lee and that no one would miss him from competting ,ever , unfortunately you chose the later , bad choice really , you should have been able to put your personal view's aside and act for the athlete concerned , but you didn't , oh well !!!

Thanks for answering my questions though , much apreciated  :D
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: onlyme on August 22, 2006, 09:12:21 PM
When was the ticket in 2005 purchased.  If the date is more than a year ago then the ticket would not have been good anyway.  12 months is the limit to extend a ticket.  Unless it was a mdeical reason.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: french mistake on August 22, 2006, 09:17:42 PM
Maybe you should of called him on the PHONE and said that Lee had a problem, instead of posting it on an internet board, by which you probably thought that you could whip the frenzy up,(which you did), and also putting Chick on the spot.

Contrary to belief, some people do not like getting the news of a Pro's issues on a venue that he will be dammed if he does and dammed if does not.

The phone and a converstation, try it next time.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: HRDCOR on August 22, 2006, 09:20:32 PM
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Maybe you should of called him on the PHONE and said that Lee had a problem, instead of posting it on an internet board, by which you probably thought that you could whip the frenzy up,(which you did), and also putting Chick on the spot.
                           


And maybe by me posting this I acheived exactly what I thought I would acheive  ;)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: MADMAX6 on August 22, 2006, 09:21:41 PM
I just have to step up for Robin.

He is a straight up guy. For as long as I've known him (many years), he has been a man of integrity. He has always been fair in his business dealings. In fact, he is very generous. He's just a plain nice guy!

When I hear people talk smack about Robin Chang, I can assume they don't know him.

In my opinion, most of the beef people have with Robin, is really a beef with AMI or the IFBB and they just take it out on him.

This is absolutely true, anybody who had the chance to deal with Robin will tell you that he has integrity and is just a good person.  It is really sad to read all this stuff about him from people who don't know him from adam.
Max.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 09:24:56 PM
Basically Chic you had a choice when I posted this dilemma from the very start in that you could have come on the Board ( as you like to do) and said something to the effect of " shit , really I didn't know about this , I will endeavour to contact lee and Robyn and sort this shit out as it does no one any good to have this feud going on , the Olympia will benefit by having lee at there show and lee will benefit by competting at the show , I will do my up most to have this situation sorted ASAP for all concerned " or you could have chosen to bag lee, to alienate yourself from the athlete you are meant to represent and side with the promoter, to let all know you don't care what happens to lee and that no one would miss him from competting ,ever , unfortunately you chose the later , bad choice really , you should have been able to put your personal view's aside and act for the athlete concerned , but you didn't , oh well !!!

Thanks for answering my questions though , much apreciated  :D

It's not that complicated, Marc...

I knew of this situation 4 days ago, it was explained to me from Robin himself.

The fact remains that a ticket was used for personal use, not for competing in the Olympia as it was intended. That isn't in dispute by either party.

He owes Robin for a ticket, plain and simple...there is no interpretation, and certainly nothing I can do. Lee knew damn well that ticket wasn't his to do as he wished...it belonged to Robin Chang as Lee didn't compete. PERIOD.

Lee said, Fuck the Olympia, fuck Robin Chang, fuck the contract and Fuck the IFBB...now he want's consideration for a ticket he used after breaking the contract?? Are you serious?



Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 09:26:33 PM

And maybe by me posting this I acheived exactly what I thought I would acheive  ;)

 Aside from making fools of yourselves,You achieved two things...Jack and Shit.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: french mistake on August 22, 2006, 09:27:31 PM
"And maybe by me posting this I acheived exactly what I thought I would acheive"  

You sure did. Lucky you, and your deserving friend Lee.

Maybe you should put a call into Craig Titus, you PR genius you.  

 
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lift Studios on August 22, 2006, 09:30:08 PM
 :-\
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Anal Iceman Lubeth on August 22, 2006, 09:30:22 PM
Aside from making fools of yourselves,You achieved two things...Jack and Shit.

man, he has half the bodybuilding fans in the world reading about this.  and they are supporting lee priest.
and ciccerillo - you look so bad man.  you look like a total company man.  you look like you are trying to sell the ifbb rulebook.  awful.

and i don't know how the stuff that Lee did in 05 affects what he is doing in 2006.  yall offered him a new contract, and you were pissed when you found out that he spent the ticket. get over it.  youre the ones who didnt do their homework.  
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: punk_rockerX on August 22, 2006, 09:30:47 PM
OH BOB I HAVE OVER AND OVER.WHAT IS WRONG WITH OU STERIODS AND OLD AGE MAKE YOU DEAF? :)
I KNOW DOING WHAT YOUR DOING WILL MAKE YOU BLIND  :P
i didn't think lee could be any dumber... i stand corrected.  superman is officially smokin' kryptonite  ::)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: HRDCOR on August 22, 2006, 09:31:19 PM
The Bottom line is the sport is totaly run by Hypocrisy !!

We suffer the same Hypocrisy Down Under !!

And whilst the sport is gonverned under such a hypocrtical rule it will never evolve any further !!

And thats my bottom line , there is no honesty and integrity at the top of the governing body , thus there can be none further down the line !!

Thats my point so obviously made clear for all to see !!

I just hate hypocrits !!
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Anal Iceman Lubeth on August 22, 2006, 09:32:15 PM
He owes Robin for a ticket, plain and simple...there is no interpretation, and certainly nothing I can do. Lee knew damn well that ticket wasn't his to do as he wished...it belonged to Robin Chang as Lee didn't compete. PERIOD.

Lee said, f**k the Olympia, f**k Robin Chang, f**k the contract and f**k the IFBB...now he want's consideration for a ticket he used after breaking the contract?? Are you serious?

man, he owes for the 2005 ticket, which was included in the 05 contract.

this has nothing to do with the 2006 contract, which says that chang will send him a ticket.  

how can you tease people and lecture on 'business 101' when it's clear you don't understand a basic contract?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: MADMAX6 on August 22, 2006, 09:37:14 PM
Everybody keeps talking about contracts, what about talking about "the right thing to do"  does that matter at all in anything?  What about values?
What would have been the right thing to do after the O last year?  Doesn't anybody know the difference between right and wrong anymore?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 09:45:20 PM
man, he owes for the 2005 ticket, which was included in the 05 contract.

this has nothing to do with the 2006 contract, which says that chang will send him a ticket. 

how can you tease people and lecture on 'business 101' when it's clear you don't understand a basic contract?

Heres your basic contract, genius...

The 2006 contract says a ticket will be provided...a ticket WAS provided and was kept on a credit as Lee didn't honor the contract by competing...that credit was used without the knowledge of the person issuing it (Robin).

The ticket that was to be used THIS year, was already used by lee....

I got your "business 101"..right heeeeeere!!

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: french mistake on August 22, 2006, 09:45:26 PM
Ding! We have a winner! What was the right thing to do?

1. Call and let Chang know that he used the tickets, and he would pay it back, and not let it be a surprise.

Case closed, that is unless you think the world owes you because you are Lee.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 22, 2006, 09:55:17 PM
Here you go...maybe this will help some of you understand this incredibly complicated situation...


3.8 Failure to Compete:   An Athlete who signs a contract to compete and who subsequently fails to do so  will be subject to a US $5,000.00 fine and a suspension from all Pro League  competitions for a period to be determined by the Pro Committee. If the failure  occurs at the Olympia competition, the fine will be US $10,000.00. If the reason  for not competing is medical in nature, the Athlete must report to a doctor  selected by the Pro Committee, at his or her own expense, to prove the illness.   

 3.9 Reimbursement to Promoter:   Any Athlete who signs a Competition Contract to compete and who subsequently  fails to do so, whether such failure occurs before the competition or during the  competition, for whatever reason (including medical), must reimburse the  Promoter any and all expenses incurred by the Promoter on the athlete’s behalf.  Failure to reimburse the Promoter will result in the Athlete being placed under  suspension until all expenses are paid in full.   
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Fletch on August 22, 2006, 09:55:57 PM
I flew over the cuckoos nest once
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: JT Le Pump on August 22, 2006, 09:58:14 PM
Hey Lee:)

Would it not be cool if Michael Moore himself would make an investigative documentary on the IFBB, kind of like Fahrenheit 911?

Damn those guys have graveyards in their closets....

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: brendan_192 on August 22, 2006, 10:04:14 PM
evan though going by what i see on getbig chic is an absaloute pole smoker, but for fuck sake its prety clear hes right on this one. no offense but lee cant actually expect them to pay for another ticket after he ditched on them last year and then used that ticket for personal use. what kind of a fuckin bitch would this Robin Chang be buying another ticket for lee this year. yea maybe its in the contract he has to supply a ticket but use some common sense u fuckin moron ::)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: legbreaker on August 22, 2006, 10:20:43 PM
Everybody keeps talking about contracts, what about talking about "the right thing to do"  does that matter at all in anything?  What about values?
What would have been the right thing to do after the O last year?  Doesn't anybody know the difference between right and wrong anymore?


Max, as a person I always want to do the right thing by people on an individual basis, but this is business.......big business, contracts involved.  I've signed a contract with a HUGE sports company and I can tell ya that no matter how much they like you it's business and EVERYTHING is in there.  I wrote it before and others have, a 2005 contract (regardless of whether or not it was carried out) has NOTHING to do with a 2006 contract.  That's business 101, Bob.
Max, A while back I had a friend that had the biggest BB clothing store(similar to yours) on Long Island, NY.  The mark up on the clothes he sold was 100%.  Is it right?  Is it the good thing to do, basically rip people off?  Or, is it business?  Yopu can do favors and stuff as he did, but for the general public (or in your case the bus loads of Japanese BB fans that come to Venice, Cal it is just business. 
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: legbreaker on August 22, 2006, 10:23:35 PM
Heres your basic contract, genius...

The ticket that was to be used THIS year, was already used by lee....

I got your "business 101"..right heeeeeere!!



Bob, was THAT in the contract for 2006?  If it was not stated that a plane tix previously issued was to be used for 2006 Mr. O then they must pay for the guys tix. 
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: MADMAX6 on August 22, 2006, 10:25:23 PM
So you are telling me that you think that Lee did the right thing?  Just curious.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: legbreaker on August 22, 2006, 10:28:22 PM
Here you go...maybe this will help some of you understand this incredibly complicated situation...


3.8 Failure to Compete:   An Athlete who signs a contract to compete and who subsequently fails to do so  will be subject to a US $5,000.00 fine and a suspension from all Pro League  competitions for a period to be determined by the Pro Committee. If the failure  occurs at the Olympia competition, the fine will be US $10,000.00. If the reason  for not competing is medical in nature, the Athlete must report to a doctor  selected by the Pro Committee, at his or her own expense, to prove the illness.   

 3.9 Reimbursement to Promoter:   Any Athlete who signs a Competition Contract to compete and who subsequently  fails to do so, whether such failure occurs before the competition or during the  competition, for whatever reason (including medical), must reimburse the  Promoter any and all expenses incurred by the Promoter on the athlete’s behalf.  Failure to reimburse the Promoter will result in the Athlete being placed under  suspension until all expenses are paid in full.   

Then just like you said Lee has to reimburse the promoter, but the 2006 tix should simply be paid for.  Lee, if you spoke to the guy and he said to you don't worry about it then he basically turned his back on you and convienently forgot.  You do gotta pay him OR simply be suspended.  That is in the contract.  Handshakes mean NOTHING when it comes to business...especially BIG business.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: legbreaker on August 22, 2006, 10:30:41 PM
So you are telling me that you think that Lee did the right thing?  Just curious.

No, absolutely not.  I don't think it's right for a BB like Lee to no show after signing a contract unless he was sick or something.  I know Lee has honered other contracts and competed even when he felt he wasn't his best so I don't think that would be a problem.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: MADMAX6 on August 22, 2006, 10:34:27 PM
Thanks, I just wanted to know.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Adam Empire on August 22, 2006, 10:37:06 PM
If the promoter was going to use Lee's LAST years plane tix for THIS years olympia he simply would NOT have sent out OR signed a 2006 contract (which states plane tix included) without making an amendment to it.  That's simple and the bottom line.  What's morally right or correct or the right thing to do is completely irrelavant here. 

Just like in all sports certain athletes sell tickets.  In the "game " of Bodybuilding Lee Priest sells tix...I would say maybe more than any other pro except for Ronnie Coleman and as many as Jay Cutler.  The promoter has benifitted greatly from Lee Priest being in their contest.  If they got to eat a plane tix because he used it big deal.  You can not depend on last years contract, whether he competed or not, to mean anything this year. 

Yes! 

Unfortunately AMI bought a non-refundable ticket last year for Lee with NO SIGNED AGREEMENT between them.  Lee still wrote a letter back but was told not to worry about it.  It doesn't matter who told him not to worry about it.  If the person was representing AMI then that's that.  They should just write off the mistake.  They shouldn't have jumped the gun and bought tickets for non-contracted athletes.

The 2007 SIGNED AGREEMENT states that he will get flight paid for.  It is not amended or reference any flight credits.  AMI sent Lee a contract that they wish they wouldn't have - then signed it themselves.  Big opps!  They owe him the flight.

So AMI is breaking the contract by not buying the ticket.  Now once a contract is broken - it is void.  This means that AMI legall cannot use Lee's name, image, or likeness at all.  He cannot be held to any event he must attend ro any other stipulation in it.  A contract is exactly what it is - and you cannot break parts and enforce other parts.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Adam Empire on August 22, 2006, 10:39:42 PM
How long is this same conversation going to last?THe same thing over and over. Your killing me.

LOL!  Well Robin Chang can chime in at any time...
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Ron on August 22, 2006, 10:42:17 PM
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Bob somehow finds Lee at fault (again) and Chang/AMI justified in their actions.. but guess what...Bob is on the AMI payroll!!


Ok - I am not on anyone's payroll, and even myself as a businessman who likes Lee a lot see Lee is wrong here.

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Lee should pay for the ticket he used... Robin should pick up this years ticket.

Now this is the best situation. Lee, reimburse AMI the $423 from last year that you used for other travel. It is the right thing to do. And AMI should have the flight as it was (I didnt see it was cancelled anywhere). Also - stop with Lee out of the Olympia. He still is there, he still has the hotel room. The only issue is who pays for the current ticket.

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This is absolutely true, anybody who had the chance to deal with Robin will tell you that he has integrity and is just a good person

This is true. Robin has always been a good person and doesnt bull around. I consider him someone that is an excellent person at what he does.  

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LOL!  Well Robin Chang can chime in at any time...

Now, Robin is in New York for a few days taking care of business. Normally he is in town in Woodland Hills (Los Angeles). If he said he will call Lee, he will call. But there is nothing to chime in about. How simple can this get.



Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Adam Empire on August 22, 2006, 11:04:52 PM
Here you go...maybe this will help some of you understand this incredibly complicated situation...


3.8 Failure to Compete:   An Athlete who signs a contract to compete and who subsequently fails to do so  will be subject to a US $5,000.00 fine and a suspension from all Pro League  competitions for a period to be determined by the Pro Committee. If the failure  occurs at the Olympia competition, the fine will be US $10,000.00. If the reason  for not competing is medical in nature, the Athlete must report to a doctor  selected by the Pro Committee, at his or her own expense, to prove the illness.   

 3.9 Reimbursement to Promoter:   Any Athlete who signs a Competition Contract to compete and who subsequently  fails to do so, whether such failure occurs before the competition or during the  competition, for whatever reason (including medical), must reimburse the  Promoter any and all expenses incurred by the Promoter on the athlete’s behalf.  Failure to reimburse the Promoter will result in the Athlete being placed under  suspension until all expenses are paid in full.   

BHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Ten pages in and then you research the rules?  So you just decided to argue with the peanut gallery then post this on like your 50th post?

BHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: atrain on August 22, 2006, 11:08:37 PM
I know it would be hard to change, but how can this rule by fair (or legal) when there is not a guarantee of compensation when you sign on to compete.  How many placings at the olympia actually make $10,000 or more.  I can see making someone pay back a plane ticket or hotel room for not competing though.
Here you go...maybe this will help some of you understand this incredibly complicated situation...


3.8 Failure to Compete:   An Athlete who signs a contract to compete and who subsequently fails to do so  will be subject to a US $5,000.00 fine and a suspension from all Pro League  competitions for a period to be determined by the Pro Committee. If the failure  occurs at the Olympia competition, the fine will be US $10,000.00. If the reason  for not competing is medical in nature, the Athlete must report to a doctor  selected by the Pro Committee, at his or her own expense, to prove the illness.   

 3.9 Reimbursement to Promoter:   Any Athlete who signs a Competition Contract to compete and who subsequently  fails to do so, whether such failure occurs before the competition or during the  competition, for whatever reason (including medical), must reimburse the  Promoter any and all expenses incurred by the Promoter on the athlete’s behalf.  Failure to reimburse the Promoter will result in the Athlete being placed under  suspension until all expenses are paid in full.   
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: kmhphoto on August 22, 2006, 11:32:31 PM
I know it would be hard to change, but how can this rule by fair (or legal) when there is not a guarantee of compensation when you sign on to compete.

A legal contract does not have to include compensation.

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Anal Iceman Lubeth on August 22, 2006, 11:36:58 PM
A legal contract does not have to include compensation.

dude, the O athletes' contract says they will be given travel and food allowances.  that is compensation.

of course a legal contract doesn't have to include compensation.  man you are a simp. like a timid 4th grader trying to explain calculus to a busload of deaf kids.

the 2006 contract says that lee will get plane tickets.  it says nothing about last year's tickets.  read the contract.  just cause its convenient for chang to even out for last year - it is not legal for him to demand it.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: kmhphoto on August 22, 2006, 11:45:47 PM
d thats my bottom line , there is no honesty and integrity at the top of the governing body , thus there can be none further down the line !!

Thats my point so obviously made clear for all to see !!

I just hate hypocrits !!

So using a ticket for a trip that it was not intended for shows honesty and integrity?

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: onlyme on August 22, 2006, 11:48:05 PM
Like I said that contract is done by an elementary school student.  It is hilarious that this is the contract used for this show.  It's so holy I can see Jesus in the background.  You know how much a first year law student could disect that contract.  What a joke.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: onlyme on August 22, 2006, 11:53:57 PM
So you are telling me that you think that Lee did the right thing?  Just curious.

I don't think what Lee done is right but either is the fact this is the contract the IFBB gives these guys to compete.  It is basically a slave order with absolutely not one thing for the competitor.  Contracts should benefit both parties.  Where is there a benefit stated in that contract for the competitor.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: onlyme on August 22, 2006, 11:57:56 PM
So using a ticket for a trip that it was not intended for shows honesty and integrity?



Kevin even you have to admit that is not an honest contract with integrity in mind.  That is a one-sided agreement benefiting and protecting the IFBB.  It does absolutely nothing to support the actual person who the contest is put on for.  Like I said, the competitors should strike the Olympia until the contract and other issues are resolved.  In fact even if the top 5 or 10 competitors only competed and the other 15 competitors went on strike it would affect the Olympia greatly.  What kind of contests would their be if only 10 guys showed up.  The IFBB would be forced to bend greatly.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: kmhphoto on August 23, 2006, 12:31:04 AM
I don't think what Lee done is right but either is the fact this is the contract the IFBB gives these guys to compete.  It is basically a slave order with absolutely not one thing for the competitor.  Contracts should benefit both parties.  Where is there a benefit stated in that contract for the competitor.

Kevin even you have to admit that is not an honest contract with integrity in mind.  That is a one-sided agreement benefiting and protecting the IFBB.  It does absolutely nothing to support the actual person who the contest is put on for.  Like I said, the competitors should strike the Olympia until the contract and other issues are resolved.  In fact even if the top 5 or 10 competitors only competed and the other 15 competitors went on strike it would affect the Olympia greatly.  What kind of contests would their be if only 10 guys showed up.  The IFBB would be forced to bend greatly.

The Olympia contract is no different to those of other sports where athletes are competing for prize money. It sets out what the promoter offers and what he expects in return. The promoter offers a venue, travel, hotel etc. and the prize money. In return he expects the athlete to compete and help promote the event. This is the basis of all sports contracts.
Do you propose that athletes go on strike for all bodybuilding events where a similar contract applies? If so, there will be no IFBB, NABBA or PDI shows for in the future.


Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: newmom on August 23, 2006, 04:09:01 AM
ok so say a athlete is in a cab on the way to olympia and god forbids is in a car accident and has some broken ribs...u mean to say they have to pay the promoter for not competiting that rule just sucks out loud..
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: gatrainer on August 23, 2006, 04:12:31 AM
Hey Lee:)

Would it not be cool if Michael Moore himself would make an investigative documentary on the IFBB, kind of like Fahrenheit 911?

Damn those guys have graveyards in their closets....


yeah sure....the general public is so interested in hearing about the life of bodybuilders
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: onlyme on August 23, 2006, 04:19:39 AM
The Olympia contract is no different to those of other sports where athletes are competing for prize money. It sets out what the promoter offers and what he expects in return. The promoter offers a venue, travel, hotel etc. and the prize money. In return he expects the athlete to compete and help promote the event. This is the basis of all sports contracts.
Do you propose that athletes go on strike for all bodybuilding events where a similar contract applies? If so, there will be no IFBB, NABBA or PDI shows for in the future.




I don't know what contracts you have looked at, but this 1/2 page contract isn't even close to what any other sport uses.  Not even close.  Where is there anything in that contract that;

1. guarantees payment by the promoter
2. Elaborates on room type (I mean can the promoter put the guy up in a motel 6 or seedy place downtown)
3. no mention of any type of airport transfers or transportation to the expo (even though they are required to attend)
4. sets forth any type of minimal provisions while competiting
5. if any provisions were included what type of financial compensation will the competitor recieve
6. no mention of any type of payment for video sales, photos or other instances where their image may be used.  And if their image is used illegally does the IFBB provide legal assistance (fully paid for) to go after anyone using their image illegally.
7. no mention of any kind of taking full responsibility if anything of personal value gets stolen from backstage.  The IFBB is supposed to provide security and if anything gets stolen the IFBB is 100% responsible.
8. If something happens to a competitors music whereas it screws up so bad the competitors can't pose, what happens.
9. No guaranteed per diem.  I know it is paid but is it in writing somewhere and when does it have to be paid.  The competitors shoudl recieve the day they arrive at the least
10. It should have some type of compensatory provision if prize money isn't given out on time and if a check bounces
11. there should also be something in these contracts that pays every competitor a minimum of $10,000 plus all expenses leading up to the contest by the IFBB (not the promoter) in case a show is cancelled or postponed.  
12. All travel concerning the event should be taken care of.  No reimbursements.  This means, airfare, cabs, airport transfers, transportation to and from the event and expo.  And in reality these guys are professionals and limos should be at their disposal

ANyway there could be allot more.  Sorry but this contract is a joke and I think several lawyers that have been on here have said the same thing.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: onlyme on August 23, 2006, 04:23:53 AM
And I really like the bit about not being able to compete if medical you have to go to a doctor of the IFBB's choice and you have to pay for it.  That is one of the funniest things ever.  you know for darn sure the IFBB is getting a cut of that bill and that the doctor is probably crooked and will not give a valid excuse (unless very evident) because then the IFBB can't collect the fine.  I swear the more I read about and hear how the IFBB operates it pisses me off.  I can't understand why anyone would ant to be ruled and controlled this way.  CHic are you seriously this insecure along with the other 200 pros. Man get some balls and stand up for yourself.  You type tough, so go do something real and get the IFBB to straighten up.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: kmhphoto on August 23, 2006, 05:05:53 AM
I don't know what contracts you have looked at, but this 1/2 page contract isn't even close to what any other sport uses.  Not even close.  Where is there anything in that contract that;

1. guarantees payment by the promoter
2. Elaborates on room type (I mean can the promoter put the guy up in a motel 6 or seedy place downtown)
3. no mention of any type of airport transfers or transportation to the expo (even though they are required to attend)
4. sets forth any type of minimal provisions while competiting
5. if any provisions were included what type of financial compensation will the competitor recieve
6. no mention of any type of payment for video sales, photos or other instances where their image may be used.  And if their image is used illegally does the IFBB provide legal assistance (fully paid for) to go after anyone using their image illegally.
7. no mention of any kind of taking full responsibility if anything of personal value gets stolen from backstage.  The IFBB is supposed to provide security and if anything gets stolen the IFBB is 100% responsible.
8. If something happens to a competitors music whereas it screws up so bad the competitors can't pose, what happens.
9. No guaranteed per diem.  I know it is paid but is it in writing somewhere and when does it have to be paid.  The competitors shoudl recieve the day they arrive at the least
10. It should have some type of compensatory provision if prize money isn't given out on time and if a check bounces
11. there should also be something in these contracts that pays every competitor a minimum of $10,000 plus all expenses leading up to the contest by the IFBB (not the promoter) in case a show is cancelled or postponed.  
12. All travel concerning the event should be taken care of.  No reimbursements.  This means, airfare, cabs, airport transfers, transportation to and from the event and expo.  And in reality these guys are professionals and limos should be at their disposal

ANyway there could be allot more.  Sorry but this contract is a joke and I think several lawyers that have been on here have said the same thing.

1. This has already been explained by Chic. The IFBB guarantee the prize money.
2. The athletes have rooms at the host hotel.
3. You could put a clause in that the athlete is required to go by supplied transportation. You'd then argue that this restricts the athletes choice ;D
4. What "minimal provisions" ?
5. See "4"
6. Athletes in all sports are expected to promote the event. Be specific about "illegal use" of an image? as you're a little vague. If I take a photo of an athlete on stage, I own the copyright. If it is used by a magazine without my permission I would sue. If the image was used to promote a supplement, then the athlete would sue.
7. Valuables should be the respnsibility of the individual. I've had lenses stolen while in the pit. My fault. Can't blame anyone else, except the C$%Ts who stole them.
8. Always have a spare cd of music available. How would you determine blame?
9. I'm sure the per diem was written somewhere? When do they get paid?
10. What would consider a fair amount of time? 30 days? 60 days? or 90 days like a lot of the publishing world? Would you expect to establish who was at fault if there was problem with the check? If the bank was to blame, you'd get the compensation from them.
11. What sport includes this? So Ronnie would be paid for a full years expenses, while someone who qualifies at the last show would get 4-6 weeks?
12. Limo's would be nice.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: toodzl4u on August 23, 2006, 05:27:25 AM
I have a pretty simple question:  If they couldn't cancel last years ticket because it was bought in Lee's name how were they able to cancel this years ticket?  Wouldn't they run into the same issue this year as last year since presumably it was bought in Lee's name again this year? So how could they cancel this years?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 23, 2006, 05:30:56 AM
Here you go...maybe this will help some of you understand this incredibly complicated situation...


3.8 Failure to Compete:   An Athlete who signs a contract to compete and who subsequently fails to do so  will be subject to a US $5,000.00 fine and a suspension from all Pro League  competitions for a period to be determined by the Pro Committee. If the failure  occurs at the Olympia competition, the fine will be US $10,000.00. If the reason  for not competing is medical in nature, the Athlete must report to a doctor  selected by the Pro Committee, at his or her own expense, to prove the illness.   

 3.9 Reimbursement to Promoter:   Any Athlete who signs a Competition Contract to compete and who subsequently  fails to do so, whether such failure occurs before the competition or during the  competition, for whatever reason (including medical), must reimburse the  Promoter any and all expenses incurred by the Promoter on the athlete’s behalf.  Failure to reimburse the Promoter will result in the Athlete being placed under  suspension until all expenses are paid in full.   

That dosent mean shit when i was told to write a letter and that would be it.They had the chance to ask for money back,suspend me,fine me.But NO they wanted a letter and a letter is what they got.:) Plus i am pretty sure when budgeting for the Olympia they take into account all athletes flight and accom and per diem etc.I am sure they didnt say hey we need less money because we have 400 credit from last year.Please if it came out of Robin's pocket i would pay it back no problem,but it didn't.
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: bigcal on August 23, 2006, 05:40:29 AM
Be a man Lee and just accept the fact that you went behind Robins back and used the ticket for you own personal use and didnt bother to tell anyone, thinking you would get away with it.  You are both in the wrong, just fuckin deal with it and stop whinning.  This is startin to sound like a pissing match between a bunch of second graders over who cheated at the marble pit. 

One more thing, Marc, dont even think you can call Bob out for dealing with this over the internet.  You were the one who chose this route in the first place.   How hard would it have been to simply PM Bob, or better yet, Lee do his own dirty work.  Onlyme, sounds to me like your boy Lee also has Weideritis or whatever homo name you gave to people who have others do their dirty work.  Nothing ever gets done because all you so called "grown up, business men" chose to air your issues over the internet and turn it into a bitch fest with the rest of the getbig needledicks rather than chose the proper process for such matters.  When will you wake up and realize that businesses are not run and changed through a fuckin gossip forum?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 23, 2006, 05:45:58 AM
Be a man Lee and just accept the fact that you went behind Robins back and used the ticket for you own personal use and didnt bother to tell anyone, thinking you would get away with it.  You are both in the wrong, just fuckin deal with it and stop whinning.  This is startin to sound like a pissing match between a bunch of second graders over who cheated at the marble pit. 

One more thing, Marc, dont even think you can call Bob out for dealing with this over the internet.  You were the one who chose this route in the first place.   How hard would it have been to simply PM Bob, or better yet, Lee do his own dirty work.  Onlyme, sounds to me like your boy Lee also has Weideritis or whatever homo name you gave to people who have others do their dirty work.  Nothing ever gets done because all you so called "grown up, business men" chose to air your issues over the internet and turn it into a bitch fest with the rest of the getbig needledicks rather than chose the proper process for such matters.  When will you wake up and realize that businesses are not run and changed through a fuckin gossip forum?

I didn't go behind anyones back.I had the credit in my name i used it.I wasn't worried about getting caught didn't even think about it.Please like i would care.They didn't say not to it was not stipulated in this years contract about 2005 so what's the problem?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: kmhphoto on August 23, 2006, 05:51:18 AM
Mmmmm...how can you compare the Olympia to other sports and those athletes with contracts that make them hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars a year?  The athletes in other sports or should I say REAL sports that are recognised by joe public are endorsing big companies and tv stations that are in the public eye it's in their interest to promote their event because they're really getting paid for it.

Maybe it would be a good thing if all the bodybuilders went on strike.  The sport really needs to change.  The athletes deserve better. 

Bodybuilding is no different than any other sport apart from the amount of money they earn. It's still beneficial for the athlete to promote the show. Golf is televised around the world but Tiger Woods does not get paid directly by the TV company. It comes by way of prize money which is huge becuase of the amount of sponsorships available.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: kmhphoto on August 23, 2006, 05:55:50 AM
They didn't say not to .....

But did they say you could?
It doesn't say you can take an item from the supermarket without paying for it, but it doesn't mean we can?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 23, 2006, 05:58:09 AM
But did they say you could?
It doesn't say you can't take an item from the supermarket without paying for it, but it doesn't mean we can?

No but they did say when i asked did they want  me to pay back any money THEY SAID NO JUST WRITE LETTER.
DO WE UNDERSTAND NOW.They didn't say not to either we can go on all day.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: kmhphoto on August 23, 2006, 06:03:14 AM
No but they did say when i asked did they want  me to pay back any money THEY SAID NO JUST WRITE LETTER.
DO WE UNDERSTAND NOW.They didn't say not to either we can go on all day.

The reason for the confusion is because you said you talked to "Jim" - I assume Jim Manion? - and he told you to just write a letter. Since when is he the promoter?
Did Robin tell you that it was ok to change the ticket?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: gatrainer on August 23, 2006, 06:05:04 AM
No but they did say when i asked did they want  me to pay back any money THEY SAID NO JUST WRITE LETTER.
DO WE UNDERSTAND NOW.They didn't say not to either we can go on all day.
You're right, But it says alot about your character that you would have used it in the first place when you opted out of the Olympia
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Adam Empire on August 23, 2006, 06:44:17 AM

the 2006 contract says that lee will get plane tickets.  it says nothing about last year's tickets.  read the contract.  just cause its convenient for chang to even out for last year - it is not legal for him to demand it.


Yes!
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: boonasty on August 23, 2006, 07:42:54 AM
Here you go...maybe this will help some of you understand this incredibly complicated situation...


3.8 Failure to Compete:   An Athlete who signs a contract to compete and who subsequently fails to do so  will be subject to a US $5,000.00 fine and a suspension from all Pro League  competitions for a period to be determined by the Pro Committee. If the failure  occurs at the Olympia competition, the fine will be US $10,000.00. If the reason  for not competing is medical in nature, the Athlete must report to a doctor  selected by the Pro Committee, at his or her own expense, to prove the illness.   

 3.9 Reimbursement to Promoter:   Any Athlete who signs a Competition Contract to compete and who subsequently  fails to do so, whether such failure occurs before the competition or during the  competition, for whatever reason (including medical), must reimburse the  Promoter any and all expenses incurred by the Promoter on the athlete’s behalf.  Failure to reimburse the Promoter will result in the Athlete being placed under  suspension until all expenses are paid in full.   

Lee be careful they may still be able to impose these penaltiees.  Maybe Adam Empire knows.

I have a pretty simple question:  If they couldn't cancel last years ticket because it was bought in Lee's name how were they able to cancel this years ticket?  Wouldn't they run into the same issue this year as last year since presumably it was bought in Lee's name again this year? So how could they cancel this years?

Some are saying the ticket and hotel room havenot been cancelled.  But if they haven't why would Marc have started this thread.



Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: boonasty on August 23, 2006, 07:50:57 AM
I dont mind paying my own way.Twinlab would pay it anyway so i am not bothered.

Remember this everyone?  Lee said he doesn't have a problem paying.  But if he competes in the O at least the press conference will be exciting this year!

Lee owes for the ticket last year but should get comped one this year competes
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Santa Claus on August 23, 2006, 07:59:20 AM

7. Valuables should be the respnsibility of the individual. I've had lenses stolen while in the pit. My fault. Can't blame anyone else, except the C$%Ts who stole them.


It will be interesting to see if some of the competitors take notice to this, and does their posing routine wearing backpacks or fanny packs full of valuables. As far as I heard, it's not always they allow assistants backstage.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Big N on August 23, 2006, 08:13:47 AM
wow all this Lee Priest signed here, he's competing there, he's getting blowjobs in another city, he's taking a shit in public restrooms.


All we all wanna do is get into Lee's business, i'd say LEAVE THE GUY BE aka LET HIM LIVE



 ::)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: warrior_code on August 23, 2006, 08:19:29 AM
all this is designed to get your mind off the war
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: gatrainer on August 23, 2006, 08:34:02 AM
wow all this Lee Priest signed here, he's competing there, he's getting        s in another city, he's taking a shit in public restrooms.


All we all wanna do is get into Lee's business, i'd say LEAVE THE GUY BE aka LET HIM LIVE



 ::)
I see what you are saving Big N, but Lee is the one who brings all his issues on a Gossip and Opinions board
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: dearth on August 23, 2006, 09:26:26 AM

The contracts may be different years...but the fact remains the same: The ticket was not used for the reason it was bought...it rightfullly stays with the person who purchased it (Robin Chang) to do what he wanted with it....he opted to save it for THIS year.

The 2006 contract states they will supply airfare...they did. Lee used it for something else.

Basic law 101 people....

Your understanding of basic law is marginal at best.
this is very simple
there is no connection between the 2005 contract and the 2006 contract

Lee violated the 2005 contract by bailing on the show. He offered to pay, but it was declined
Robin Chang violated the 2006 contract by refusing to provide airfare

Chick is there some fine print in the 2006 contract that states "if you had a contract the previous year and did not use your airfare, then that will be used in place of the promoter providing airfare"???

If not, then you are blowing a bunch of hot air trying to hide your company's disgust for Lee Priest.

Bob this is a classic case of a conflict of interest.
AMI vs. IFBB pro

Gee I wonder who Bob is going to side with??
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 23, 2006, 09:33:31 AM
...and as usual, you have no idea what your talking about...you armchair QB's kill me....

Lee offered to Jim Manion to pay something back(alledgedly)...Jim has NOTHING to do with it.
 N O T H I N G.

Robin Chang is the promoter, Robin Chang purchased the ticket, Robin Chang is due the refund.

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Original Sin on August 23, 2006, 09:52:00 AM
This is along the same vein you dogged Lee about the NOC DVD Sales with...

Bob please answer the questions
(Maybe I should get 240 to post these, you seem to have a need to answer all his posts and put the "Internet Loser" in his place.)

So again....

Bob,
I have to question you about your stance with Lee.  Hopefully you can set me straight about a few things.

You have stated that Lee is a one man show and that is why you cannot support his cause to the brass.  You have also stated that you require a majority of the membership to take action (This might not be an accurate paraphrase).

My question is;
The proposals that you got passed for the benefit of the Athletes, which nobody can deny are not a benefit.  How did you achieve the majority of the membership vote before you presented them to the brass?  Also, with the lack of support shown at your meeting by the athletes, how did you achieve your required majority of voices to present the propals that you are going to present this year?

Depending on what side of the fence you are standing on, Lee's stance could be a benefit for the athlete's as well.  Do you decide on personal reasoning which items are worthy and need to be addressed?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Chick on August 23, 2006, 10:03:43 AM
This is along the same vein you dogged Lee about the NOC DVD Sales with...

Bob please answer the questions
(Maybe I should get 240 to post these, you seem to have a need to answer all his posts and put the "Internet Loser" in his place.)

So again....

Bob,
I have to question you about your stance with Lee.  Hopefully you can set me straight about a few things.

You have stated that Lee is a one man show and that is why you cannot support his cause to the brass.  You have also stated that you require a majority of the membership to take action (This might not be an accurate paraphrase).

My question is;
The proposals that you got passed for the benefit of the Athletes, which nobody can deny are not a benefit.  How did you achieve the majority of the membership vote before you presented them to the brass?  Also, with the lack of support shown at your meeting by the athletes, how did you achieve your required majority of voices to present the propals that you are going to present this year?

Depending on what side of the fence you are standing on, Lee's stance could be a benefit for the athlete's as well.  Do you decide on personal reasoning which items are worthy and need to be addressed?


This is really quite simple..

I put together proposals on what I feel best serves the athletes as a whole, based on my personal opinion, observations, and input from the other athletes.

I don't put out a vote on every single proposal to be submitted, as it's not necessary.

A simple show of hand at the meeting is sufficient for me to know what the majority of the athletes attending agree or disagree with...

If athletes are interested in having a say in these matters, than they can attend the meeting...If they don't (which seems to be the case), then I will continue to use my own judgement to get items passed and make positve change for the betterment of the IFBB athletes.

In the case of challenging the rule of competing in non-sanctioned shows...No one else has expressed any interest in it, I don't see a need to challenge it, either...If one of the other reps wish to submit it...thats their right.

 
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Original Sin on August 23, 2006, 10:25:43 AM
Well stated!

Thank you.

I reread my post , I didn't mean to come off as a bitch.
Sorry if I offended.

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Atomicmike on August 23, 2006, 10:38:34 AM
Bodybuilding is no different than any other sport apart from the amount of money they earn. It's still beneficial for the athlete to promote the show. Golf is televised around the world but Tiger Woods does not get paid directly by the TV company. It comes by way of prize money which is huge becuase of the amount of sponsorships available.



Don't you think that's one of the major problems with the sport in the first place?  The money earned and the endorsement deals?  How sad is it when a person who places 20th in a major golf tournament can earn roughly 75 to a hundred thousand while a major show like the Olympia pays peanuts to those who place out of the top five?  Yes, of couse it's the sponserships etc.  But damn, you'd figure after all the years of having these shows they'd get some really big sponsers. The IFBB needs to replace their marketing execs.  They sure aren't doing their jobs. Even after 20 years they should have been hooked up with Nike, Addidas, Gatorade, etc.  If anything all the athletes could be wearing Nike clothing and shoes and getting paid for it. By the way don't football teams get paid by the Network that airs Monday Night Football?  The athletes do make money off of that.

And then we have this whole bickering over an airline ticket worth what? $500? Sure they can't let Lee getaway with it it was a contract etc.  But wow couldn't they write it off as a loss at the end of the year?  I'm sure all of that is factored in.

By the way this whole thread seems like the most excitement in bodybuilding at the moment.  It's like one big bad made for tv movie called "The Ticket".  You gotta keep watching to see if it gets better even though you know it wont.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Original Sin on August 23, 2006, 10:47:26 AM
Until the American Government loses its hard on with Steroids, not one mainstream organization will have anything high profile to do with Body Building.  No major corporation is willing to have their name associated with steroids in the spotlight.

Also body building has about 1 millionth of the mass market appeal as Golf.  The average fat American can't relate, so there is no money to be made. 

it is like the CFL and NFL.  I think the NFL league minimum is higher then the salary cap for the CFL.
The NFL has a larger and more marketable audience then the CFL could ever dream for, thus the athletes reap said benefits.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Atomicmike on August 23, 2006, 10:56:31 AM
Until the American Government loses its hard on with Steroids, not one mainstream organization will have anything high profile to do with Body Building.  No major corporation is willing to have their name associated with steroids in the spotlight.

Also body building has about 1 millionth of the mass market appeal as Golf.  The average fat American can't relate, so there is no money to be made. 

it is like the CFL and NFL.  I think the NFL league minimum is higher then the salary cap for the CFL.
The NFL has a larger and more marketable audience then the CFL could ever dream for, thus the athletes reap said benefits.

All so sad but true.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 23, 2006, 11:42:53 AM
Lee be careful they may still be able to impose these penaltiees.  Maybe Adam Empire knows.

Some are saying the ticket and hotel room havenot been cancelled.  But if they haven't why would Marc have started this thread.





Ticket yes
hotel no.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 23, 2006, 11:45:25 AM
I see what you are saving Big N, but Lee is the one who brings all his issues on a Gossip and Opinions board

Shit i make this sport fun.What do you want to talk about drugs and training all the time.Lets talk about the other pros who have a personality of a wet blanket and are to afraid to say shit.BORING BORING.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 23, 2006, 11:52:27 AM

This is really quite simple..

I put together proposals on what I feel best serves the athletes as a whole, based on my personal opinion, observations, and input from the other athletes.

I don't put out a vote on every single proposal to be submitted, as it's not necessary.

A simple show of hand at the meeting is sufficient for me to know what the majority of the athletes attending agree or disagree with...

If athletes are interested in having a say in these matters, than they can attend the meeting...If they don't (which seems to be the case), then I will continue to use my own judgement to get items passed and make positve change for the betterment of the IFBB athletes.

In the case of challenging the rule of competing in non-sanctioned shows...No one else has expressed any interest in it, I don't see a need to challenge it, either...If one of the other reps wish to submit it...thats their right.

 

YOUR OWN JUDGEMENT=AMI-IFBB.Bob ok you tried you need to step down and give the job to somebody not being paid by AMI.What dose you contract say about bad mouthing or being negative against the compay you work for.All the contracts i have had some sort of cluase say you can't say anything bad.So how can you be partial to any cause you work for them.Resign  your position it's best for all :)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Blockhead on August 23, 2006, 11:54:43 AM

 Yea I agree to an extend...Jay and Ronnie are as borning as watching fingernails grow.

 If anyone makes things interesting in this industry its Titus. Lee...you're edgy though man...with the occasional dyed hair black or blue with the middle finger sticking up to the camera...wow...brutal rebellion on the edge and brinks of society.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 23, 2006, 12:01:46 PM
(Maybe I should get 240 to post these, you seem to have a need to answer all his posts and put the "Internet Loser" in his place.)

I think this issue is way blown out of proportion, and that it seems a few people have no idea how contracts work.  Anyone who has any kind of experience/education/understanding of contracts knows that what is on paper, and what "should be done in real life" are far and away, two different things.  Anyway, it's two different years- 2005 and 2006.  Anyone who cannot understand that really isn't worthy of an argument. 

You can't reason with a person who has reached their beliefs without using reason.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: onlyme on August 23, 2006, 12:05:09 PM
1. This has already been explained by Chic. The IFBB guarantee the prize money.  Where is that on the contract I missed it.  Or is this something the IFBB just tells everyone.

2. The athletes have rooms at the host hotel.  But if they cose to stay at another hotel or maybeat a friends house do they get the cash equivalent paid to them directly.  I mean you can't force them to stay there

3. You could put a clause in that the athlete is required to go by supplied transportation. You'd then argue that this restricts the athletes choice ;D  Okay, is that in there ???

4. What "minimal provisions" ? To many to list, but I have listed a few already.
5. See "4"
6. Athletes in all sports are expected to promote the event. Be specific about "illegal use" of an image? as you're a little vague. If I take a photo of an athlete on stage, I own the copyright. If it is used by a magazine without my permission I would sue. If the image was used to promote a supplement, then the athlete would sue.  But athletes who promote the show are paid (in other sports).  There is no guaranteed payment for the guys right now.  And unless the competitor signs a release you are not allowed to use their image or you will be sued.  Who protects them from usage of their likeness without permission.  And if done, does the IFBB pay for the legal fees.  

7. Valuables should be the respnsibility of the individual. I've had lenses stolen while in the pit. My fault. Can't blame anyone else, except the C$%Ts who stole them.  When a competitor is backstage at an event of world recoginition you would think at least the promoter would have security to insure against theft.  If something was to get stolen then it would be the burden of the promoter to show the court they provided ample security and did everything they could to guard againt theft.  I wouldn't feel good if I had to worry about my gymbag with cellphone and wallet in it.  Obviously you can't guarantee anything but you can do everything in yourpower to prevent it

8. Always have a spare cd of music available. How would you determine blame?

9. I'm sure the per diem was written somewhere? When do they get paid?  I don't know but that should be stipulated or the promoter could pay them in 6 months

10. What would consider a fair amount of time? 30 days? 60 days? or 90 days like a lot of the publishing world? Would you expect to establish who was at fault if there was problem with the check? If the bank was to blame, you'd get the compensation from them.  I have no idea what I am saying is that it should be included in the contract or the promoter has free reign on when to pay them

11. What sport includes this? So Ronnie would be paid for a full years expenses, while someone who qualifies at the last show would get 4-6 weeks?  Ronnie doesn't prepare for the Olympia all year round.  Why would you say this.  He is fat and sloppy the majority of the year.  

12. Limo's would be nice. Yes
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: onlyme on August 23, 2006, 12:11:15 PM
Bodybuilding is no different than any other sport apart from the amount of money they earn. It's still beneficial for the athlete to promote the show. Golf is televised around the world but Tiger Woods does not get paid directly by the TV company. It comes by way of prize money which is huge becuase of the amount of sponsorships available.


No you are wrong.  Tiger gets paid by the tournament itself to play in their event.  If hetakes last place he is still getting upwards of $1 million just to show up.  The promoter is able to use his likeness and promote the fact Tiger will be playing at their event.  This happens at allot of events. Notthemajors obviously but the other events yes.  Same thing in Tennis and other major individual sports.  Anna Kornikova too got as much as $1 million to show up.  These names bring in live audience numbers, sponosrhip dollars and TV dollars.  It is beneficial for the athlete to promote the showthey are in but they should get paid, especially since what they are doing is putting money in the IFBB and promoters pockets not theirs.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: onlyme on August 23, 2006, 12:25:11 PM

This is really quite simple..

I put together proposals on what I feel best serves the athletes as a whole, based on my personal opinion, observations, and input from the other athletes.  This is the problem.  WHat make you think you know what best serves the athletes.  Because you have competed for so many years.  That may give you some insight but not all.  It's obvious by the way you handle things.  You do not knowwhat you are doing flat and simple.  And can't you see the majority of people on here and other boards and in real life don't think so too.  Your personal opinion is NOT your personal opinion.  It is what AMI and the IFBB tells you it is.  You do exactly what your boss tells you.  That is the only reason you have that position.  It's not that no one wanted it, it is because they could not find anyone else who would act as their puppet and do exactly what they told you to do.  You got your one Pro win out of it.  Now resign.  Did they promise you another win.  The one they gave you is so controversial only a few take it as real.  And you have said numerous times the athletes aren't giving you anything.  Now you say input from other athletes. Manion, Weider are not athletes.

I don't put out a vote on every single proposal to be submitted, as it's not necessary. WHo decideds it's not necessary.  You, Manion or Weider.  Every issue that effects the members is obligated to be voted on.  WHo gave you the power to change or ad issues that effect many others. Oh sorry I forgot Manion and Weider.  I can't believe you actually put this in writing.  I am sure the other members love the fact that now one of their own ismaking decisions on their carreers without asking.  Good job.

A simple show of hand at the meeting is sufficient for me to know what the majority of the athletes attending agree or disagree with...  Only 3 people show up.  WHat does this tell you about your leadership skills.  Get out while you still can.  I highly doubt you can convince the suits to give you another win.

If athletes are interested in having a say in these matters, than they can attend the meeting...If they don't (which seems to be the case), then I will continue to use my own judgement to get items passed and make positve change for the betterment of the IFBB athletes.  Okay, you are blind.  You are hopelessly infected.

In the case of challenging the rule of competing in non-sanctioned shows...No one else has expressed any interest in it, I don't see a need to challenge it, either...If one of the other reps wish to submit it...thats their right.  Sure wouldn't want you to fight for something good for the members.  Way to take a stand.  You are the type of rep I am sure everyone would want.  Give it up already.
 
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: sgt. d on August 23, 2006, 12:28:36 PM
This thread is still going on. Like I said Lee likes the attention he is getting. Just dont respond to this thread and let it rest already. This is Lees problem , not ours.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Ron on August 23, 2006, 12:39:16 PM

Ok - solution

Lee pays last years personal use ticket for $423.00
AMI pays this years ticket of $423 for his flight
AMI pays this years hotel room.

Or...

Lee pays this years ticket of $423 for his flight
AMI pays this years hotel room


Simple as that...

This reminds me of a fraternity meeting - six hours to come up with a simple solution that everybody will say it not that simple.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Original Sin on August 23, 2006, 12:44:59 PM
This reminds me of a fraternity meeting - six hours to come up with a simple solution that everybody will say it not that simple.


You having a mid-life crisis dear?
This is like the "Nth" time you have brought up tho Olde Frat days.  ;D
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: sgt. d on August 23, 2006, 12:46:02 PM
You having a mid-life crisis dear?
This is like the "Nth" time you have brought up tho Olde Frat days.  ;D

Go watch Lifetime or bake all the men on getbig some cookies. Run along now
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Original Sin on August 23, 2006, 12:51:28 PM
Go watch Lifetime or bake all the men on getbig some cookies. Run along now

Sounds like a plan...
When you become a man I will let you have a cookie as well.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: sgt. d on August 23, 2006, 01:04:04 PM
Sounds like a plan...
When you become a man I will let you have a cookie as well.

Im probably old enough to be your father.  ::)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Original Sin on August 23, 2006, 01:05:23 PM
Im probably old enough to be your father.  ::)

Age does not define whether somebody is truly a man.
Darth  :)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 23, 2006, 01:11:47 PM
No you are wrong.  Tiger gets paid by the tournament itself to play in their event.  If hetakes last place he is still getting upwards of $1 million just to show up.  The promoter is able to use his likeness and promote the fact Tiger will be playing at their event.  This happens at allot of events. Notthemajors obviously but the other events yes.  Same thing in Tennis and other major individual sports.  Anna Kornikova too got as much as $1 million to show up.  These names bring in live audience numbers, sponosrhip dollars and TV dollars.  It is beneficial for the athlete to promote the showthey are in but they should get paid, especially since what they are doing is putting money in the IFBB and promoters pockets not theirs.
Just like Ronnie is being paid to show up after the Olympia at the other shows :)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: muscleforlife on August 23, 2006, 02:39:26 PM
Sounds like a plan...
When you become a man I will let you have a cookie as well.

lol...good one.
Sandra
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 23, 2006, 03:59:35 PM
Ok we can end arguement SPOKE to Robin we got on fine and all is sorted out.No Problem.

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Stavios on August 23, 2006, 04:02:45 PM
what did he say about Vince G kicking you out of the building ?!?
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: unbatrainer on August 23, 2006, 04:05:20 PM
All you have to do is talk to robin he is real cool
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: HOSTILE on August 23, 2006, 04:06:20 PM
it is this simple    

Lee has had an awesome run in the IFBB

Bob woulda if he could of got his pro card before he started collecting social security!     ;D
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: sgt. d on August 23, 2006, 04:18:16 PM
Ok we can end arguement SPOKE to Robin we got on fine and all is sorted out.No Problem.



All this drama for nothing. All you had to do was pick up the phone and call ::)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Ron on August 23, 2006, 04:23:13 PM
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Ok we can end arguement SPOKE to Robin we got on fine and all is sorted out.No Problem.

Excellent. See how easy it is with Robin. Takes care of everything. See you at the Europa Super Show on Saturday. Bring some friends :)

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Lee_a_priest on August 23, 2006, 05:47:41 PM
Excellent. See how easy it is with Robin. Takes care of everything. See you at the Europa Super Show on Saturday. Bring some friends :)


SEE YOU THERE RON
I WILL HAVE THE PDI SHIRT ON  ;D
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: HRDCOR on August 23, 2006, 05:55:19 PM
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Lee offered to Jim Manion to pay something back(alledgedly)...Jim has NOTHING to do with it.
 N O T H I N G

Your kidding right , Jim manion is the IFFB Pro president , It is a IFBB PRO Show, he can have as much or as little to do with it as he wants !!!!

But it is settled and all is fine , no thanks to BOB !!
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Disgusted on August 23, 2006, 06:18:16 PM
SEE YOU THERE RON
I WILL HAVE THE PDI SHIRT ON  ;D

$50 to Lee if he wears the PDI shirt and I see pics. :)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: gary67 on August 23, 2006, 06:30:58 PM
Your kidding right , Jim manion is the IFFB Pro president , It is a IFBB PRO Show, he can have as much or as little to do with it as he wants !!!!

But it is settled and all is fine , no thanks to BOB !!
I already had a post on here about how I am sure Bob will take credit for this yet somehow it got deleted ::) Whats a matter Bob can't handle the truth? :-X
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: gary67 on August 23, 2006, 06:34:57 PM
SEE YOU THERE RON
I WILL HAVE THE PDI SHIRT ON  ;D
Don't worry Lee Bob and Shawn will be holding hands at the front door handing out there IFBB shirts >:(
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Shawn Ray on August 23, 2006, 07:20:20 PM
Lee good luck in the PDI show, thanks for the Drama ::)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: HRDCOR on August 23, 2006, 07:43:55 PM
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Lee good luck in the PDI show, thanks for the Drama                           


Ummmmm and thanks Hrdcor for bringing us the Drama !! :-\ ;)
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Stavios on August 23, 2006, 07:45:59 PM
yes !
Marc is the biggest drama queen since 240 or bust !  ;D
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: 240 is Back on August 23, 2006, 07:46:49 PM
yes !
Marc is the biggest drama queen since 240 or bust !  ;D

no way dude. i have outgrown the drama. i only use my powers for good now.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: HRDCOR on August 23, 2006, 07:48:42 PM
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yes !
Marc is the biggest drama queen since 240 or bust                                   

Ahhhh drama DUDE actualy , not Queen !!!!! :-*
 :-*
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Original Sin on August 23, 2006, 08:13:56 PM
Ahhhh drama DUDE actualy , not Queen !!!!! :-*
 :-*


pfft your an Aussie dude, Queen fits  ;D

NZ is close enough for Americans  :P
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: ignorance on August 23, 2006, 08:23:34 PM
shit, what did  I miss; I was only gone for two minutes... fuck 10 pages of shit to read. FUCK!


HAHHAAHAHA ;D
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: punk_rockerX on August 23, 2006, 09:24:15 PM
Lee good luck in the PDI show, thanks for the Drama ::)
doing my best mr. ray impression - tru dat!!
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Anal Iceman Lubeth on August 23, 2006, 09:29:02 PM
stop hatin on chang, only doin his job.
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: Ron on August 23, 2006, 10:57:07 PM

All i can say is Saturday will be vastly interesting at the Europa show in Dallas...

In the house will be King Kamali, George Farah, Lee Priest, Bob Cicherillo, Dan Solomon, and much more... so many stories to talk about - it should be a great weeked.  Discussion, without resorting to malicious bashing is always interesting...

Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: french mistake on August 23, 2006, 11:12:00 PM
"Yes Mr. Priest, we have your tickets. Will you be flying with us business class or drama queen today? That tiara though will have to be checked in as bagage, as that truckload full of your issues baggage out at the curb will be too." 
Title: Re: Lee Priest - Robin Chang has cancelled his stuff
Post by: onlyme on August 23, 2006, 11:27:38 PM
SEE YOU THERE RON
I WILL HAVE THE PDI SHIRT ON  ;D

Wear the Muscle Mafia shirt too