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http://news.advocate.com/post/13844217337/watch-the-speech-youve-been-waiting-for

Hillary Rodham Clinton’s address before the United Nations in Geneva will be remembered by history, with the Secretary of State unabashedly arguing to the world that LGBT rights are human rights.

Read the Complete Transcript of the Speech, as Provided By the State Department:

SECRETARY CLINTON: Good evening, and let me express my deep honor and pleasure at being here. I want to thank Director General Tokayev and Ms. Wyden along with other ministers, ambassadors, excellencies, and UN partners. This weekend, we will celebrate Human Rights Day, the anniversary of one of the great accomplishments of the last century.

Beginning in 1947, delegates from six continents devoted themselves to drafting a declaration that would enshrine the fundamental rights and freedoms of people everywhere. In the aftermath of World War II, many nations pressed for a statement of this kind to help ensure that we would prevent future atrocities and protect the inherent humanity and dignity of all people. And so the delegates went to work. They discussed, they wrote, they revisited, revised, rewrote, for thousands of hours. And they incorporated suggestions and revisions from governments, organizations, and individuals around the world.

At three o’clock in the morning on December 10th, 1948, after nearly two years of drafting and one last long night of debate, the president of the UN General Assembly called for a vote on the final text. Forty-eight nations voted in favor; eight abstained; none dissented. And the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was adopted. It proclaims a simple, powerful idea: All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. And with the declaration, it was made clear that rights are not conferred by government; they are the birthright of all people. It does not matter what country we live in, who our leaders are, or even who we are. Because we are human, we therefore have rights. And because we have rights, governments are bound to protect them.

In the 63 years since the declaration was adopted, many nations have made great progress in making human rights a human reality. Step by step, barriers that once prevented people from enjoying the full measure of liberty, the full experience of dignity, and the full benefits of humanity have fallen away. In many places, racist laws have been repealed, legal and social practices that relegated women to second-class status have been abolished, the ability of religious minorities to practice their faith freely has been secured.

In most cases, this progress was not easily won. People fought and organized and campaigned in public squares and private spaces to change not only laws, but hearts and minds. And thanks to that work of generations, for millions of individuals whose lives were once narrowed by injustice, they are now able to live more freely and to participate more fully in the political, economic, and social lives of their communities.

Now, there is still, as you all know, much more to be done to secure that commitment, that reality, and progress for all people. Today, I want to talk about the work we have left to do to protect one group of people whose human rights are still denied in too many parts of the world today. In many ways, they are an invisible minority. They are arrested, beaten, terrorized, even executed. Many are treated with contempt and violence by their fellow citizens while authorities empowered to protect them look the other way or, too often, even join in the abuse. They are denied opportunities to work and learn, driven from their homes and countries, and forced to suppress or deny who they are to protect themselves from harm.

I am talking about gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people, human beings born free and given bestowed equality and dignity, who have a right to claim that, which is now one of the remaining human rights challenges of our time. I speak about this subject knowing that my own country’s record on human rights for gay people is far from perfect. Until 2003, it was still a crime in parts of our country. Many LGBT Americans have endured violence and harassment in their own lives, and for some, including many young people, bullying and exclusion are daily experiences. So we, like all nations, have more work to do to protect human rights at home.

Now, raising this issue, I know, is sensitive for many people and that the obstacles standing in the way of protecting the human rights of LGBT people rest on deeply held personal, political, cultural, and religious beliefs. So I come here before you with respect, understanding, and humility. Even though progress on this front is not easy, we cannot delay acting. So in that spirit, I want to talk about the difficult and important issues we must address together to reach a global consensus that recognizes the human rights of LGBT citizens everywhere.

The first issue goes to the heart of the matter. Some have suggested that gay rights and human rights are separate and distinct; but, in fact, they are one and the same. Now, of course, 60 years ago, the governments that drafted and passed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights were not thinking about how it applied to the LGBT community. They also weren’t thinking about how it applied to indigenous people or children or people with disabilities or other marginalized groups. Yet in the past 60 years, we have come to recognize that members of these groups are entitled to the full measure of dignity and rights, because, like all people, they share a common humanity.

This recognition did not occur all at once. It evolved over time. And as it did, we understood that we were honoring rights that people always had, rather than creating new or special rights for them. Like being a woman, like being a racial, religious, tribal, or ethnic minority, being LGBT does not make you less human. And that is why gay rights are human rights, and human rights are gay rights.

t is violation of human rights when people are beaten or killed because of their sexual orientation, or because they do not conform to cultural norms about how men and women should look or behave. It is a violation of human rights when governments declare it illegal to be gay, or allow those who harm gay people to go unpunished. It is a violation of human rights when lesbian or transgendered women are subjected to so-called corrective rape, or forcibly subjected to hormone treatments, or when people are murdered after public calls for violence toward gays, or when they are forced to flee their nations and seek asylum in other lands to save their lives. And it is a violation of human rights when life-saving care is withheld from people because they are gay, or equal access to justice is denied to people because they are gay, or public spaces are out of bounds to people because they are gay. No matter what we look like, where we come from, or who we are, we are all equally entitled to our human rights and dignity.

The second issue is a question of whether homosexuality arises from a particular part of the world. Some seem to believe it is a Western phenomenon, and therefore people outside the West have grounds to reject it. Well, in reality, gay people are born into and belong to every society in the world. They are all ages, all races, all faiths; they are doctors and teachers, farmers and bankers, soldiers and athletes; and whether we know it, or whether we acknowledge it, they are our family, our friends, and our neighbors.

Being gay is not a Western invention; it is a human reality. And protecting the human rights of all people, gay or straight, is not something that only Western governments do. South Africa’s constitution, written in the aftermath of Apartheid, protects the equality of all citizens, including gay people. In Colombia and Argentina, the rights of gays are also legally protected. In Nepal, the supreme court has ruled that equal rights apply to LGBT citizens. The Government of Mongolia has committed to pursue new legislation that will tackle anti-gay discrimination.

Now, some worry that protecting the human rights of the LGBT community is a luxury that only wealthy nations can afford. But in fact, in all countries, there are costs to not protecting these rights, in both gay and straight lives lost to disease and violence, and the silencing of voices and views that would strengthen communities, in ideas never pursued by entrepreneurs who happen to be gay. Costs are incurred whenever any group is treated as lesser or the other, whether they are women, racial, or religious minorities, or the LGBT. Former President Mogae of Botswana pointed out recently that for as long as LGBT people are kept in the shadows, there cannot be an effective public health program to tackle HIV and AIDS. Well, that holds true for other challenges as well.

The third, and perhaps most challenging, issue arises when people cite religious or cultural values as a reason to violate or not to protect the human rights of LGBT citizens. This is not unlike the justification offered for violent practices towards women like honor killings, widow burning, or female genital mutilation. Some people still defend those practices as part of a cultural tradition. But violence toward women isn’t cultural; it’s criminal. Likewise with slavery, what was once justified as sanctioned by God is now properly reviled as an unconscionable violation of human rights.

In each of these cases, we came to learn that no practice or tradition trumps the human rights that belong to all of us. And this holds true for inflicting violence on LGBT people, criminalizing their status or behavior, expelling them from their families and communities, or tacitly or explicitly accepting their killing.

Of course, it bears noting that rarely are cultural and religious traditions and teachings actually in conflict with the protection of human rights. Indeed, our religion and our culture are sources of compassion and inspiration toward our fellow human beings. It was not only those who’ve justified slavery who leaned on religion, it was also those who sought to abolish it. And let us keep in mind that our commitments to protect the freedom of religion and to defend the dignity of LGBT people emanate from a common source. For many of us, religious belief and practice is a vital source of meaning and identity, and fundamental to who we are as people. And likewise, for most of us, the bonds of love and family that we forge are also vital sources of meaning and identity. And caring for others is an expression of what it means to be fully human. It is because the human experience is universal that human rights are universal and cut across all religions and cultures.

The fourth issue is what history teaches us about how we make progress towards rights for all. Progress starts with honest discussion. Now, there are some who say and believe that all gay people are pedophiles, that homosexuality is a disease that can be caught or cured, or that gays recruit others to become gay. Well, these notions are simply not true. They are also unlikely to disappear if those who promote or accept them are dismissed out of hand rather than invited to share their fears and concerns. No one has ever abandoned a belief because he was forced to do so.

Universal human rights include freedom of expression and freedom of belief, even if our words or beliefs denigrate the humanity of others. Yet, while we are each free to believe whatever we choose, we cannot do whatever we choose, not in a world where we protect the human rights of all.

Reaching understanding of these issues takes more than speech. It does take a conversation. In fact, it takes a constellation of conversations in places big and small. And it takes a willingness to see stark differences in belief as a reason to begin the conversation, not to avoid it.

But progress comes from changes in laws. In many places, including my own country, legal protections have preceded, not followed, broader recognition of rights. Laws have a teaching effect. Laws that discriminate validate other kinds of discrimination. Laws that require equal protections reinforce the moral imperative of equality. And practically speaking, it is often the case that laws must change before fears about change dissipate.

Many in my country thought that President Truman was making a grave error when he ordered the racial desegregation of our military. They argued that it would undermine unit cohesion. And it wasn’t until he went ahead and did it that we saw how it strengthened our social fabric in ways even the supporters of the policy could not foresee. Likewise, some worried in my country that the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” would have a negative effect on our armed forces. Now, the Marine Corps Commandant, who was one of the strongest voices against the repeal, says that his concerns were unfounded and that the Marines have embraced the change.

Finally, progress comes from being willing to walk a mile in someone else’s shoes. We need to ask ourselves, “How would it feel if it were a crime to love the person I love? How would it feel to be discriminated against for something about myself that I cannot change?” This challenge applies to all of us as we reflect upon deeply held beliefs, as we work to embrace tolerance and respect for the dignity of all persons, and as we engage humbly with those with whom we disagree in the hope of creating greater understanding.

A fifth and final question is how we do our part to bring the world to embrace human rights for all people including LGBT people. Yes, LGBT people must help lead this effort, as so many of you are. Their knowledge and experiences are invaluable and their courage inspirational. We know the names of brave LGBT activists who have literally given their lives for this cause, and there are many more whose names we will never know. But often those who are denied rights are least empowered to bring about the changes they seek. Acting alone, minorities can never achieve the majorities necessary for political change.

So when any part of humanity is sidelined, the rest of us cannot sit on the sidelines. Every time a barrier to progress has fallen, it has taken a cooperative effort from those on both sides of the barrier. In the fight for women’s rights, the support of men remains crucial. The fight for racial equality has relied on contributions from people of all races. Combating Islamaphobia or anti-Semitism is a task for people of all faiths. And the same is true with this struggle for equality.

Conversely, when we see denials and abuses of human rights and fail to act, that sends the message to those deniers and abusers that they won’t suffer any consequences for their actions, and so they carry on. But when we do act, we send a powerful moral message. Right here in Geneva, the international community acted this year to strengthen a global consensus around the human rights of LGBT people. At the Human Rights Council in March, 85 countries from all regions supported a statement calling for an end to criminalization and violence against people because of their sexual orientation and gender identity.

At the following session of the Council in June, South Africa took the lead on a resolution about violence against LGBT people. The delegation from South Africa spoke eloquently about their own experience and struggle for human equality and its indivisibility. When the measure passed, it became the first-ever UN resolution recognizing the human rights of gay people worldwide. In the Organization of American States this year, the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights created a unit on the rights of LGBT people, a step toward what we hope will be the creation of a special rapporteur.

Now, we must go further and work here and in every region of the world to galvanize more support for the human rights of the LGBT community. To the leaders of those countries where people are jailed, beaten, or executed for being gay, I ask you to consider this: Leadership, by definition, means being out in front of your people when it is called for. It means standing up for the dignity of all your citizens and persuading your people to do the same. It also means ensuring that all citizens are treated as equals under your laws, because let me be clear – I am not saying that gay people can’t or don’t commit crimes. They can and they do, just like straight people. And when they do, they should be held accountable, but it should never be a crime to be gay.

And to people of all nations, I say supporting human rights is your responsibility too. The lives of gay people are shaped not only by laws, but by the treatment they receive every day from their families, from their neighbors. Eleanor Roosevelt, who did so much to advance human rights worldwide, said that these rights begin in the small places close to home – the streets where people live, the schools they attend, the factories, farms, and offices where they work. These places are your domain. The actions you take, the ideals that you advocate, can determine whether human rights flourish where you are.

And finally, to LGBT men and women worldwide, let me say this: Wherever you live and whatever the circumstances of your life, whether you are connected to a network of support or feel isolated and vulnerable, please know that you are not alone. People around the globe are working hard to support you and to bring an end to the injustices and dangers you face. That is certainly true for my country. And you have an ally in the United States of America and you have millions of friends among the American people.

The Obama Administration defends the human rights of LGBT people as part of our comprehensive human rights policy and as a priority of our foreign policy. In our embassies, our diplomats are raising concerns about specific cases and laws, and working with a range of partners to strengthen human rights protections for all. In Washington, we have created a task force at the State Department to support and coordinate this work. And in the coming months, we will provide every embassy with a toolkit to help improve their efforts. And we have created a program that offers emergency support to defenders of human rights for LGBT people.

This morning, back in Washington, President Obama put into place the first U.S. Government strategy dedicated to combating human rights abuses against LGBT persons abroad. Building on efforts already underway at the State Department and across the government, the President has directed all U.S. Government agencies engaged overseas to combat the criminalization of LGBT status and conduct, to enhance efforts to protect vulnerable LGBT refugees and asylum seekers, to ensure that our foreign assistance promotes the protection of LGBT rights, to enlist international organizations in the fight against discrimination, and to respond swiftly to abuses against LGBT persons.

I am also pleased to announce that we are launching a new Global Equality Fund that will support the work of civil society organizations working on these issues around the world. This fund will help them record facts so they can target their advocacy, learn how to use the law as a tool, manage their budgets, train their staffs, and forge partnerships with women’s organizations and other human rights groups. We have committed more than $3 million to start this fund, and we have hope that others will join us in supporting it.

The women and men who advocate for human rights for the LGBT community in hostile places, some of whom are here today with us, are brave and dedicated, and deserve all the help we can give them. We know the road ahead will not be easy. A great deal of work lies before us. But many of us have seen firsthand how quickly change can come. In our lifetimes, attitudes toward gay people in many places have been transformed. Many people, including myself, have experienced a deepening of our own convictions on this topic over the years, as we have devoted more thought to it, engaged in dialogues and debates, and established personal and professional relationships with people who are gay.

This evolution is evident in many places. To highlight one example, the Delhi High Court decriminalized homosexuality in India two years ago, writing, and I quote, “If there is one tenet that can be said to be an underlying theme of the Indian constitution, it is inclusiveness.” There is little doubt in my mind that support for LGBT human rights will continue to climb. Because for many young people, this is simple: All people deserve to be treated with dignity and have their human rights respected, no matter who they are or whom they love.

There is a phrase that people in the United States invoke when urging others to support human rights: “Be on the right side of history.” The story of the United States is the story of a nation that has repeatedly grappled with intolerance and inequality. We fought a brutal civil war over slavery. People from coast to coast joined in campaigns to recognize the rights of women, indigenous peoples, racial minorities, children, people with disabilities, immigrants, workers, and on and on. And the march toward equality and justice has continued. Those who advocate for expanding the circle of human rights were and are on the right side of history, and history honors them. Those who tried to constrict human rights were wrong, and history reflects that as well.

I know that the thoughts I’ve shared today involve questions on which opinions are still evolving. As it has happened so many times before, opinion will converge once again with the truth, the immutable truth, that all persons are created free and equal in dignity and rights. We are called once more to make real the words of the Universal Declaration. Let us answer that call. Let us be on the right side of history, for our people, our nations, and future generations, whose lives will be shaped by the work we do today. I come before you with great hope and confidence that no matter how long the road ahead, we will travel it successfully together. Thank you very much.

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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2011, 09:13:48 AM »

I think I kinda admire her too.  She speaks well.



She was able to forgive her husband's (then President) awful behaviour and she rose above it all and went on to do bigger and better things than he ever did.


Hils deserves our love.  She's worked extremely hard all these years.  Her kid turned out okay, despite everything. 


I do hope she's found a new exciting mature sexlife with someone other than her sad hubby...



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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2011, 12:23:49 PM »
Hillary C. is quite the psychopath IMO. I don't like her.

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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2011, 10:28:19 PM »
I think I kinda admire her too.  She speaks well.



She was able to forgive her husband's (then President) awful behaviour and she rose above it all and went on to do bigger and better things than he ever did.


Hils deserves our love.  She's worked extremely hard all these years.  Her kid turned out okay, despite everything. 


I do hope she's found a new exciting mature sexlife with someone other than her sad hubby...



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What happened between her and her husband is none of my concern.  Millions of wives are cheated on and remain with their husbands. I pass no judgement on that.

Losing a bitter primary only to later accept the President's offer to serve as Secretary of State was a class act and the mark of a true patriot.  Very few people would have done that after such a bruising contest; their ego would not allow it.  And to be so effective!  Can anyone imagine Condi giving a speech like that?

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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2011, 02:15:51 PM »
Hillary C. is quite the psychopath IMO. I don't like her.

I don't care for her, or most of what she stands for. 
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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2011, 03:47:52 PM »
I don't care for her, or most of what she stands for. 

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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2011, 06:15:30 PM »



I'm surprised you'd say that.  After all, she's about the best you've got, so that doesn't leave you with much does it?

Anyways, thankfully it isn't necessary to concern ourselves with American politics right at the moment,
you'all are getting a bit of a lull.  Instead it's all kicking off in Russia, we've got the Eurocrash and the ongoing Arab uprising.  China have been quiet for a while.  Mess in Pakistan of course.


It'd be nice if there were someone appropriately clever and experienced in your big ol' U S of A to cope with the rest of the world when the time comes...  which will very likely be extremely soon.



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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2011, 06:54:56 PM »


I'm surprised you'd say that.  After all, she's about the best you've got, so that doesn't leave you with much does it?


I'm not going into any detail other than to say that I strongly disagree with both your premise and your conclusion. 
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2011, 09:37:18 AM »
its funny this article uses the term evolution when its about gays. I think its sad and just appalling to be honest that glbt would compare their movement to the jews being persecuted or the civil rights movement.

Fact is its an abnormal behavior and it doesnt need to be normalized. Im not saying dont do it, Im just saying dont expect other ppl to be ok with it and look at it like its perfectly normal...IT ISNT!!!

clinton is a good sec of state would have been a much better president than obama as well.

I disagree with alot of her stances but wouldnt mind at all if a the next administration keeps her on as long as she adheres to their agenda and views.

She is diplomatic just like rice was, I would have voted for her over mccain if she had gotten the primary

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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2011, 09:46:57 AM »
its funny this article uses the term evolution when its about gays. I think its sad and just appalling to be honest that glbt would compare their movement to the jews being persecuted or the civil rights movement.

Fact is its an abnormal behavior and it doesnt need to be normalized. Im not saying dont do it, Im just saying dont expect other ppl to be ok with it and look at it like its perfectly normal...IT ISNT!!!


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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2011, 11:20:42 AM »
I'm not going into any detail other than to say that I strongly disagree with both your premise and your conclusion.  


Darlin' I concluded nothing, I just said I hoped that you lot over the pond would keep this dire world together when it all goes  I like Hils, I still think (though I've not yet concluded) that she speaks well and you're very definitely going to need an experienced and wise Secretary of State if this world is going to work out this year or next.


(psycopath (sp), nope, I don't think so.  She's sane.  She's doing a bit of Power and Control and a bit of retribution maybe.  They all do after a few years after achieving whatever it is they set out to achieve.


But she's on the right track, doesn't talk rhetoric or lies >>> she isn't totally completely and utterly mad like most other worldly politicians.  



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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2011, 11:24:35 AM »
its funny this article uses the term evolution when its about gays. I think its sad and just appalling to be honest that glbt would compare their movement to the jews being persecuted or the civil rights movement.



"fuggerabourit" as Hugh Grant in a polite accent said to that guy driving the New York Taxi?  

It's not any longer about gays and jews, it's far more world-shattering than that.  Hils knows that.


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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2011, 11:43:12 AM »

Darlin' I concluded nothing




You concluded "she's the best you've got."  That is the conclusion with which I disagree.

If you like her, that is all fine and good.  I never try to change other peoples' minds on these matters.  I simply respond lest anyone mistakenly believe that "Hils" is universally liked or admired. 
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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2011, 12:38:42 PM »
funny really how much female politicians are villified.


Margaret Thatcher here in GB was disliked enormously when she was in power.  (I lived in another country at the time and she was well applauded there).  But she was so disliked at home.  Nowadays her style and her achievements are mostly acknowledged as near-perfect.


Maybe it takes a few years to appreciate someone?




Sadly your last few Presi's in the USA have had utterly diabolically dire media and will never be able to fix that.  Perhaps deservedly so.  Now Obama (who we all thought was great?) is getting the worst press imaginable.



Please don't do regime change in America, just understand it and attempt to help it to happen in the 3rd World, Africa (yawn, they've no money) and the dire Middle East (who are richer than all of us put together)?  Please?


Some guy I was watching on your news the other day (covered with irony by the BBC) was horrid about Palestine.  

Why would a nice-but-dim-witted plonker >who has never-ever-been-there or seen-that (he's never held a passport perhaps) say such things?  Dreadful.  What planet does he live on?  Has he recently taken News Corresponding to Journalists / How to Sound Sane 101 and failed?  

Did he get the job reading the news because he has nice teeth and hair?  Was it because that's all people care about when they"re watching TV these days?  Is his Dad or Uncle or worse still, his wife's Brother, the man signing his paycheque?  Is his name Mr Murdoch or Mr Fox?


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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2011, 01:51:06 PM »
funny really how much female politicians are villified.
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Are you suggesting that I (and others) dislike her for being female? 

It is just barely possible that I (and others) can form opinions about someone independent of that person's gender.
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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2011, 01:59:15 PM »
obviously I'd not thought of that, you did...



She's real, that's all

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she's far ballsier than her sad hubby ever was?

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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2011, 04:18:29 PM »

"fuggerabourit" as Hugh Grant in a polite accent said to that guy driving the New York Taxi? 

It's not any longer about gays and jews, it's far more world-shattering than that.  Hils knows that.


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now please explain to me how comparing glbt to the persecution jews faced or blacks is in any way equivilent?

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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2011, 04:23:24 PM »
Linda obama is not doing a good job, most americans agree...I dont know where you get your facts from

he is getting bad press b/c he deserves it. His policies are hurting the economy, his administration is corrupt(look up Fast and Furious) and his agenda is plain idiotic especially at a time like this.

The only ppl that thought obama was great were uninformed ppl who got swept up in the notion of "change"

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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2011, 04:33:42 PM »
funny really how much politicians are villified.


Margaret Thatcher here in GB was disliked enormously when she was in power.  (I lived in another country at the time and she was well applauded there).  But she was so disliked at home.  Nowadays her style and her achievements are mostly acknowledged as near-perfect.


Maybe it takes a few years to appreciate someone?


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I simply said that politicians are rarely appreciated when they're in power.  It takes a while.  The truly bad ones are booed out pretty smartish (unless you're a Bush or a Berlesconi or a Putin).  

Either way, they go down in history.  But only if you're great will you be applauded 20 or 30 or 100 years later...


Also I did admit that we're getting weird vibes here in the UK that Obama is not as wonderful as he was made out to be?


We'll see said the blind man.  I still like Hills, always have, she speaks proper plain English without all the digression.  And although someone earlier above said that her hubbie's sexual abberations were of no consequence, I truly think that she showed enormous dignity.




I get my "facts" from the BBC news and various newspapers, and as stated above, Presidents and others in positions of power are frequently painted with a rather over-glossed brush...

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« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2011, 04:47:42 PM »
God bless you...

now please explain to me how comparing glbt to the persecution jews faced or blacks is in any way equivilent?
I said Jews and Gays and you're now on about Jews and Blacks?



okay Secretary of State, let's discuss Jews and Shi'ites, Salami's and Christians and Buddists and Hindus and gays and transsexuals and Blacks and Indians and the Chinese then...

Include everyone, plus females.  And hijabbed Muslim women.  What is glbt?  Is that akin to being glib?
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« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2011, 05:07:51 PM »
I said Jews and Gays and you're now on about Jews and Blacks?



okay Secretary of State, let's discuss Jews and Shi'ites, Salami's and Christians and Buddists and Hindus and gays and transsexuals and Blacks and Indians and the Chinese then...

Include everyone, plus females.  And hijabbed Muslim women.  What is glbt?  Is that akin to being glib?
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Read the article you nit wit, it clearly draws a parallel to the holocaust, womans suffrage and civil rights movements.

I cant make it more clear, cue the pointless rambling...

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« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2011, 05:24:14 PM »
I've read BayBGM's initial post and have avidly watched Hills when she's on t'telly...


what is glbt, I adore pointless rambling when I've got my boots on, but it's too cold and it's a full moon outside right now, so I'm here on the www.




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nitwit is a lovely compliment, thanks, I'm liking that.  I know nothing of American politics, I can't keep up with what's going on here let alone Eurozone and Russia and China and India.  Forgive me for being a nitwit.

I tend to judge people nowadays by their TV personas.  Which we all do.  You younger generation seem to like your dyed blonde bimbos, whereas I prefer the bald or greying die-hards.  If Churchill were on the telly today, he'd be booed off in two seconds flat, yet he was a man with principles which have held steadfast.  He also smoked alot and drank champagne for breakfast and said words to the effect of "We're not shutting down the museums or libraries for a war.  What are we fighting for if not art?"


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what is glbt?

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« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2011, 05:35:26 PM »
I've read BayBGM's initial post and have avidly watched Hills when she's on t'telly...


what is glbt, I adore pointless rambling when I've got my boots on, but it's too cold outside right now, so I'm here on the www.




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nitwit is a lovely compliment, thanks, I'm liking that.  I know nothing of American politics, I can't keep up with what's going on here let alone Eurozone and Russia and China and India.  Forgive me for being a nitwit.

I tend to judge people nowadays by their TV personas.  Which we all do.  You like your dyed blonde bimbos, I prefer the greying die-hards.  If Churchill were on the telly today, he'd be booed off in two seconds flat, yet he was a man with principles which have held steadfast.  He also smoked alot and drank champagne for breakfast and said words to the effect of "We're not shutting down the museums or libraries during this war.  What are we fighting for if not art?"


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what is glbt?
GLBT = Gay, Lesbian, Bi-sexual and Trans-gender

you dont have to know anything about politics to read and comprehend the article dear...The clearly draw parallels to the holocaust etc...I personally find that appalling.

Churchill was a man among men.

Lady reporter: "you sir are drunk"

Churchill: "and you maddam are ugly, but in the morning I will be sober"

LOL not that this comment makes him a man among men but its funny ish.

That explains your positive impression of obama I guess

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« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2011, 05:36:31 PM »
Read the article you nit wit, it clearly draws a parallel to the holocaust, womans suffrage and civil rights movements.

I cant make it more clear, cue the pointless rambling...
Where do you get all the fuel for the hate train?

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« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2011, 05:45:12 PM »
Where do you get all the fuel for the hate train?
ignorance and political correctness are my fuel...

do you agree with the parallel to the holocaust?

Something like that should be enough to offend just about everybody I would imagine but apparently that is A-OK with the GLBT crowd ::)