Who would have thought??

[Gym Rat]

Libturdz are loaded w/ mental health issues... Gee, really??? 

[IroNat]

Libturdism is an indication of mental illness.

[Van_Bilderass]

I'm not a liberal but there could be all sorts of reasons a certain group has diagnoses. For example a higher propensity seek healthcare. Someone told me everyone would be diagnosed with a mental health condition, if they sought treatment. Could be. Another thing to look up would be education and IQ between conservatives and liberals, remember, bad politics doesn't mean stupid necessarily. There are plenty of smart liberals. Lots of smart people have mental issues, and stupid people may not go to the doctors for "help." I think that's almost a fact. I bet. Just trying to be objective I loathe liberal values, just to be clear.

[Gym Rat]

I'm not a liberal but there could be all sorts of reasons a certain group has diagnoses. For example a higher propensity seek healthcare. Someone told me everyone would be diagnosed with a mental health condition, if they sought treatment. Could be. Another thing to look up would be education and IQ between conservatives and liberals, remember, bad politics doesn't mean stupid necessarily. There are plenty of smart liberals. Lots of smart people have mental issues, and stupid people may not go to the doctors for "help." I think that's almost a fact. I bet. Just trying to be objective I loathe liberal values, just to be clear.

Quiet down you. We dont need people in here who make too much sense!!   

[oldtimer1]

I'm not a liberal but there could be all sorts of reasons a certain group has diagnoses. For example a higher propensity seek healthcare. Someone told me everyone would be diagnosed with a mental health condition, if they sought treatment. Could be. Another thing to look up would be education and IQ between conservatives and liberals, remember, bad politics doesn't mean stupid necessarily. There are plenty of smart liberals. Lots of smart people have mental issues, and stupid people may not go to the doctors for "help." I think that's almost a fact. I bet. Just trying to be objective I loathe liberal values, just to be clear.

You assumption would be credible if you were correct in saying liberals are more intelligent than people with conservative values. That is quite an assumption.

[Van_Bilderass]

You assumption would be credible if you were correct in saying liberals are more intelligent than people with conservative values. That is quite an assumption.

I don't know, haven't looked it up. I have seen references claiming liberals have more education on average, but like I said I haven't looked it up. I have seen claims that higher education is really liberal brain washing and how all the professors at institutions like Harward are liberals, and those who aren't keep it hush-hush due to the current zeitgeist. Like I said, a liberal can be really smart while espousing Marxist views. And Jews are said to have higher average IQs and as many Jews have said Judaism equals Marxism//communism/socialism/democracy, they are all synonyms.

I think I will look up what has been said about IQ and education and liberals vs conservatives...

[LurkerNoMore]

Red states are known for having the highest rates in obesity, teen pregnancies, high school drop outs, poverty, divorce, and apparently mental illness.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/these-states-have-the-worst-mental-health?onepage

[Thin Lizzy]

Red states are known for having the highest rates in obesity, teen pregnancies, high school drop outs, poverty, divorce, and apparently mental illness.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/these-states-have-the-worst-mental-health?onepage

Liberals are forever making this argument and always conveniently leave out that the worst parts of these states vote over 90% Blue:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham,_Alabama

73.4% African American (Black)
22.3% White American


Recently, a Washington “think tank”😂 group put out  a paper that concluded that red states were more violent than blue states and of course didn’t take race into account at all.

[Thin Lizzy]

Socialists believe that if everybody shared equally there would always be plenty to go around. But the reality is nature is very stingy, and humans have had to fight and scratch for everything we have.

Their ideology is at odds with reality and that IMO leads to depression.

[Van_Bilderass]

I think I will look up what has been said about IQ and education and liberals vs conservatives...

An example from a quick google:

Conservatives exhibit less cognitive ability than liberals do. Or that's what it says in the social science literature, anyway. A 2010 study using data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, for example, found that the IQs of young adults who described themselves as "very liberal" averaged 106.42, whereas the mean of those who identified as "very conservative" was 94.82. Similarly, when a 2009 study correlated cognitive capacity with political beliefs among 1,254 community college students and 1,600 foreign students seeking entry to U.S. universities, it found that conservatism is "related to low performance on cognitive ability tests." In 2012, a paper reported that people endorse more conservative views when drunk or under cognitive pressure; it concluded that "political conservatism may be a process consequence of low-effort thought." 

But there are caveats, read the whole article if interested:

https://reason.com/2014/06/13/are-conservatives-dumber-than-liberals/

I did see some other stuff saying conservatives were smarter by some other measures.

As far as education, firs result from my google search:

Highly educated adults – particularly those who have attended graduate school – are far more likely than those with less education to take predominantly liberal positions across a range of political values. And these differences have increased over the past two decades.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/04/26/a-wider-ideological-gap-between-more-and-less-educated-adults/

But I haven't delved into it deeper... like with all research there's going to be dissenters, taking issue with how the research was done etc.

But let's say the research is correct and liberals are both smarter and more educated, it underscores my point that someone who who subscribes to, for me, reprehensible ideologies can be cognitively smart. I haven't done any tests but I think I'm more conservative and "right wing," definitely would be described as "extreme right wing" by many aka "domestic terrorist" and part of the "biggest threat" if I was in the US  As would I think most getbiggers 

But at the same time it's imo important to be correct and not say liberals are "stupid" if everything points to the opposite being true. If liberals are "smarter," so be it. After all, the liberals have been winning the ideological war thus far. Will it swing the other way in the future, I hope so but I doubt it. Liberals literally own the educational institutions as of now. Trump being in office didn't change anything as far as that, they probably just got more liberal (?)

On getbig someone like LurkerNoMore runs circles around Coach is back in debating, in my opinion. I say that despite me being closer to Coach as far as politics. Coach is so frustrated he calls for bans of Lurker or Oak or Agent007 [edit: I meant Agnostic007], I don't know on what grounds

[Van_Bilderass]

Liberals are forever making this argument and always conveniently leave out that the worst parts of these states vote over 90% Blue:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham,_Alabama

73.4% African American (Black)
22.3% White American


Recently, a Washington “think tank”😂 group put out  a paper that concluded that red states were more violent than blue states and of course didn’t take race into account at all.

Yet no one, neither liberal nor conservative dares take race into account. Only freaks do and they are completely frozen out of polite circles 

Jared Taylor is someone who writes almost exclusively about this, but no high profile conservative politician will want to be associated with him, no matter how much sense Jared makes.

https://www.amren.com/author/jartaylor/

[Thin Lizzy]

Yet no one, neither liberal nor conservative dares take race into account. Only freaks do and they are completely frozen out of polite circles 

Jared Taylor is someone who writes almost exclusively about this, but no high profile conservative politician will want to be associated with him, no matter how much sense Jared makes.

https://www.amren.com/author/jartaylor/

There’s nothing to gain by doing so. Liberals can’t afford to offend their pet voting base and conservatives don’t want to be labeled racist over a problem that has no solution other then to label high crime black areas as “blighted” and then send in the national guard to patrol them forever.

[Dave D]

I'm not a liberal but there could be all sorts of reasons a certain group has diagnoses. For example a higher propensity seek healthcare. Someone told me everyone would be diagnosed with a mental health condition, if they sought treatment. Could be. Another thing to look up would be education and IQ between conservatives and liberals, remember, bad politics doesn't mean stupid necessarily. There are plenty of smart liberals. Lots of smart people have mental issues, and stupid people may not go to the doctors for "help." I think that's almost a fact. I bet. Just trying to be objective I loathe liberal values, just to be clear.

When you refer to education levels are you implying that those with more education tend to be more left leaning?

[LurkerNoMore]

Liberals are forever making this argument and always conveniently leave out that the worst parts of these states vote over 90% Blue:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham,_Alabama

73.4% African American (Black)
22.3% White American


Recently, a Washington “think tank”😂 group put out  a paper that concluded that red states were more violent than blue states and of course didn’t take race into account at all.

Explain how 90% blue voting block = red state.   Especially when the red voters outnumber them.  Next you will be saying that Trickle Down Economics work.

[BEEFCAKE]

Red states are known for having the highest rates in obesity, teen pregnancies, high school drop outs, poverty, divorce, and apparently mental illness.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/these-states-have-the-worst-mental-health?onepage

red states are packed with fat black joggers

[IroNat]

The more intelligent a person is the more likely to have mental illness.

[Dave D]

The more intelligent a person is the more likely to have mental illness.

I’m curious to see the correlation between IQ levels and education levels and mental illness diagnosed. I’m sure income level would be important as well because my assumption is poor people are unlikely to seek medical attention for mental illness afflictions.

[IroNat]

I’m curious to see the correlation between IQ levels and education levels and mental illness diagnosed. I’m sure income level would be important as well because my assumption is poor people are unlikely to seek medical attention for mental illness afflictions.

Smart people think too much.

It's known that high IQ people make poor soldiers because they stress too much.

[Dave D]

Smart people think too much.

It's known that high IQ people make poor soldiers because they stress too much.

Good points.

[Van_Bilderass]

When you refer to education levels are you implying that those with more education tend to be more left leaning?

Well that's what the pewresearch link says I think. I just did a quick google and picked the first link. What do you think or know?

Conservatives complain that institutions of higher learning are liberal indoctrination centers, all the professors are liberals.

[LurkerNoMore]

red states are packed with fat black joggers

Then why are the states considered red?   

[Goliathon]

I'm not a liberal but there could be all sorts of reasons a certain group has diagnoses. For example a higher propensity seek healthcare. Someone told me everyone would be diagnosed with a mental health condition, if they sought treatment. Could be. Another thing to look up would be education and IQ between conservatives and liberals, remember, bad politics doesn't mean stupid necessarily. There are plenty of smart liberals. Lots of smart people have mental issues, and stupid people may not go to the doctors for "help." I think that's almost a fact. I bet. Just trying to be objective I loathe liberal values, just to be clear.

The vast majority of these women are miserable because of high stress "careers", alcohol consumption, shophoilics,  lack of kids and a man.

The medical establishment sees an obvious conclusion and just drugs them up past the point of caring.

[Goliathon]

Yet no one, neither liberal nor conservative dares take race into account. Only freaks do and they are completely frozen out of polite circles 

Jared Taylor is someone who writes almost exclusively about this, but no high profile conservative politician will want to be associated with him, no matter how much sense Jared makes.

https://www.amren.com/author/jartaylor/

He's a fraud, he's a white supremacist because he obsesses over IQ. Which makes no sense, because if IQ science tells you anything it's that intelligent people are superior regardless of race. It's funny watching idiots trying to debunk him.

[BEEFCAKE]

Then why are the states considered red?   

cause joggers dont vote

[Van_Bilderass]

He's a fraud, he's a white supremacist because he obsesses over IQ. Which makes no sense, because if IQ science tells you anything it's that intelligent people are superior regardless of race. It's funny watching idiots trying to debunk him.

What's wrong with white supremacy? Actually all IQ obsessed supposed white supremacists always say asians have higher IQs than whites so how can they be supreme in that respect?

I'm not sure what you're saying in the bolded. Yes high IQ people are high IQ regardless of race. What Jared is saying is that some races have diffrent average IQs which makes them perform differently in society. Like black americans are at 85, whites at around 100, asians are over that, as well as perhaps ashkenazi Jews. Jewish IQ in Israel though is below 100, but this is ashkenazi Jews in the US. And what do you know, these groups perform exactly like their IQ would suggest. So what is the problem, the problem is that blacks can't ever be expected to perform like whites, asians and Jews, it's biology, social interventions can't ever compensate for the lower IQ. So in a rational world this would be taken into account, and you could better help the blacks, isn't this the goal? Why exactly is Jared a fraud? Some from the right feel he is a fraud because he refuses to touch the Jewish question. But I think that is a bit unfair, Jared just has decided not to go there, probably thinks it would harm his main goals. It's his decision to make, what fights he wants to take.

I have to ask, are you Jewish?