jay has some of the biggest,and with good shape to his muscle lb for lb than everyone but ronnie .his leg's are sick in that shot 3 pages back.in his case the lack of veins and somewhat smoothness through his arms actually play in his favor,overly freaky vascularity can detract from the overall shape.he is the most prepared and stayed the course all year that's why he is and will be mr olympia again.there are plenty of big bbers pushing the mass limits but jay did it better and with a better overall look for a big bber.