It's not logical because you're talking money out of the pockets of hard working people who already pay in to a private health care provider. Not only does it take away from the quality of health care by not having competition (capitalism) now you'll have every hospital be like County USC on which the wait for damn near anything is 2-3 hours and that's just to get into an exam room only to wait LONGER for the Dr. to get to you. And this is NOW. What's the wait going to be when this so called "Obamacare" kicks in and everyone and their mother is coming in for a hangnail when you have a cardiac patient waiting behind?
Not only that, there WILL be less Dr's because who the hell want's to work 90hrs a week for limited pay? You can care about people all you want, but if you go to school for 8-10 years (another thing that won't happen because students will be detoured from going to med school) you sure as hell don't want to work for whatever they offer.
These are not talking points, Tim. This is commonsense.
there is no evidence for any of your claims.
1) you're already paying for the uninsured through taxes to pay for the county hospital system. but that is a very inefficient way to deliver health care. if everyone has insurance, they can see a primary care physician for most of their needs. They can get preventative care, which is much cheaper than waiting until you have no choice but go to the ER
2) all hospitals perform triage. the ones with life threatening conditions always go to the front of the line
3) Obamacare is not nationalized medicine, like the UK, where the doctors are government employees. Today doctors can charge what ever they want. But today insurance companies decide what they're willing to pay. Doctors can accept that or decide not to take insurance. The only difference with Obamacare is more people will have insurance.
4) Every industrialized country has national health care except for the US. There is no shortage of doctors due to limited pay.
5) Today if you have an HMO, you have managed care. Everything has to be pre-approved by the insurance company or their representatives. If you don't want an HMO, you can choose a different kind of plan. That does not change under Obamacare.
The bottom line is that over the last 30 years our health care system has been inching it's way towards collapse. The rate of inflation for health care has been much greater than the overall rate of inflation. Fewer and fewer people have insurance. The county (public) systems are near the breaking point. Obviously capitalism has failed.
If Obamacare fails, then the only way to deliver health care to the masses will be an expansion of Medicare and Medicaid. That's single payer. That is the insurance industry's biggest fear. Just enough people will leave the private insurance plans that they won't have a big enough pool to compete.
