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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: equipoise on April 16, 2016, 09:26:40 AM
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I'm looking for a cutting drug this summer but would rather not use tren (makes me moody, insomnia etc.). I have the opportunity to get some good quality var and I was just wondering if it causes hair loss. FWIW I haven't lost hair on moderate test (about 500mg a week), and highish tren (100ED or a bit more)
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have you ever tried halo?
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Var don't cut it just doesn't bloat.
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To answer your question, Anavar does not cause hair loss.
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To answer your question, Anavar does not cause hair loss.
EVERY steroid will cause hair loss in high enough dosages.
This includes all the 'safe' steroids like primo, anavar etc
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EVERY steroid will cause hair loss in high enough dosages.
This includes all the 'safe' steroids like primo, anavar etc
Well it certainly includes primo which is a DHT based compound, but it certainly does NOT include oxandrolone. Primo and Anavar are two VERY different examples when it comes to the issue of hair loss.
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Well it certainly includes primo which is a DHT based compound, but it certainly does NOT include oxandrolone. Primo and Anavar are two VERY different examples when it comes to the issue of hair loss.
You missed the point. All steroids will cause hairloss in high enough dosages, even the so called safe ones.
Anavar will absolutely cause hair loss if you're to it, as it converts to DHT.
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You missed the point. All steroids will cause hairloss in high enough dosages, even the so called safe ones.
Anavar will absolutely cause hair loss if you're to it, as it converts to DHT.
No I didn't miss the point. I keep on hearing oxandrolone converts to DHT. It does not convert to DHT. It is already a DHT derivative, which means it is already alpha-5 reduced. It cannot convert back to DHT once it has been metabolised. It lacks the capacity to interact with the 5-alpha reductase enzyme and convert to dihydro form. It therefore will not cause hair loss.
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Anavar is safer on the hair line as it does not covert to DHT
However, it does bind to the androgen receptor with in turn could cause hair loss
There is no steroid that is absolutely safe for the hair
In fact, I asked William leveylln the same question and he said 400 nandrolone was safer on the hair than 400 mg a week of oxandrolone (i.e. About 50 mg a day)
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No I didn't miss the point. I keep on hearing oxandrolone converts to DHT. It does not convert to DHT. It is already a DHT derivative, which means it is already alpha-5 reduced. It cannot convert back to DHT once it has been metabolised. It lacks the capacity to interact with the 5-alpha reductase enzyme and convert to dihydro form. It therefore will not cause hair loss.
You're insane if you think you have don't lose hair pass on anavar.
All steroid cause hair loss. Just up the dose to where you see significant gains & you'll see sides, including hairloss.
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You're insane if you think you have don't lose hair pass on anavar.
All steroid cause hair loss. Just up the dose to where you see significant gains & you'll see sides, including hairloss.
I'm not saying you won't see side effects. Oxandrolone is catastrophic when it comes to cholesterol for one, but when it comes to hair loss, the science simply does support it. Male pattern baldness is quite specific to DHT in the case of steroids. Androgenicity in itself does not necessarily equate to hair loss in the form of male pattern baldness. Hair loss in the case of heavy androgens which do not convert to DHT is usually in the form of telogen effluvium and not in fact male pattern baldness. This is a temporary condition. Eventually the hair will grow back. This is also the case when it comes to hair loss from thyroid conditions (hypothyroidism and hyperthydoidism). Bare in mind that Anavar also has a very low androgenic rating, so not only will it not cause male pattern baldness due to no presence of DHT, but it will also not cause telogen effluvium if taken in regular bodybuilder dosages. I can go into the whole TE vs. male pattern baldness thing greater detail if you like.
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Can confirm about the nandrolone. Used more than a gram and week and no noticeable hairloss whatsoever. I think my hair follicles seem to be quite resistant (but then again I'm young) so don't really want to temp fate if possible.
Should i just use tren again since I know I will react well to it? Or try out the anavar?
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Can confirm about the nandrolone. Used more than a gram and week and no noticeable hairloss whatsoever. I think my hair follicles seem to be quite resistant (but then again I'm young) so don't really want to temp fate if possible.
Should i just use tren again since I know I will react well to it? Or try out the anavar?
Nandrolone converts to DHN not DHT and along with Anavar it is probably the safest steroid for the hairline.
Tren - lots of speculation that it causes hair loss and it frequently does, but I believe in the form of telogen effluvium, not traditional MPB (tren has no DHT activity). I've shed plenty of hair in the past on tren and it has all come back. Still, I could not say with any certainty that tren is "safe" for the hairline.
A good way to distinguish between MPB and TE is that MPB will usually shed thin, weak hairs since the follicles are dying, whereas TE sheds mostly thick mature hair with a bulb at the bottom from the root. This isn't bro science, that's straight from my hair doc.
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I'm not saying you won't see side effects. Oxandrolone is catastrophic when it comes to cholesterol for one, but when it comes to hair loss, the science simply does support it. Male pattern baldness is quite specific to DHT in the case of steroids. Androgenicity in itself does not necessarily equate to hair loss in the form of male pattern baldness. Hair loss in the case of heavy androgens which do not convert to DHT is usually in the form of telogen effluvium and not in fact male pattern baldness. This is a temporary condition. Eventually the hair will grow back. This is also the case when it comes to hair loss from thyroid conditions (hypothyroidism and hyperthydoidism). Bare in mind that Anavar also has a very low androgenic rating, so not only will it not cause male pattern baldness due to no presence of DHT, but it will also not cause telogen effluvium if taken in regular bodybuilder dosages. I can go into the whole TE vs. male pattern baldness thing greater detail if you like.
That be great if this was true... Do you have any evidence that oxandrolone binding to the androgen receptor causes telegenic effluvium and is reversible?
How would u explain winstrol causing permanent hair loss then?
This is interesting if true
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As far as I am aware, there aren't any studies on the specific different AASs and hair loss, so this is all anecdotal, but the science makes sense. Very good point regarding winstrol - I would suggest that in this case it is thwt winstrol drives down SHGB and it therefore increases free testosterone, which in turn converts to DHT by the action of the enzyme 5alpha reductase. The DHT then causes hair loss.
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As far as I am aware, there aren't any studies on the specific different AASs and hair loss, so this is all anecdotal, but the science makes sense. Very good point regarding winstrol - I would suggest that in this case it is thwt winstrol drives down SHGB and it therefore increases free testosterone, which in turn converts to DHT by the action of the enzyme 5alpha reductase. The DHT then causes hair loss.
So you are saying that if I did 1000 deca and 100 oxandrolone a day, any hair loss would be totally reversible? I just find that hard to believe... Wish there were studies. True, yiur dick would go limp but maybe not if u added 100 mg test week
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So you are saying that if I did 1000 deca and 100 oxandrolone a day, any hair loss would be totally reversible? I just find that hard to believe... Wish there were studies. True, yiur dick would go limp but maybe not if u added 100 mg test week
I seriously doubt you'd even get any hair loss in the first place, even at those dosages. If you did, it would be telogen effluvium and it should grow back.
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I'm not saying you won't see side effects. Oxandrolone is catastrophic when it comes to cholesterol for one, but when it comes to hair loss, the science simply does support it. Male pattern baldness is quite specific to DHT in the case of steroids. Androgenicity in itself does not necessarily equate to hair loss in the form of male pattern baldness. Hair loss in the case of heavy androgens which do not convert to DHT is usually in the form of telogen effluvium and not in fact male pattern baldness. This is a temporary condition. Eventually the hair will grow back. This is also the case when it comes to hair loss from thyroid conditions (hypothyroidism and hyperthydoidism). Bare in mind that Anavar also has a very low androgenic rating, so not only will it not cause male pattern baldness due to no presence of DHT, but it will also not cause telogen effluvium if taken in regular bodybuilder dosages. I can go into the whole TE vs. male pattern baldness thing greater detail if you like.
Absolutes and steroids. Lol
this debate rages throughout the boards. If you worry that much about hair loss don't take roids. Otherwise fuck it and go for it.
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I seriously doubt you'd even get any hair loss in the first place, even at those dosages. If you did, it would be telogen effluvium and it should grow back.
Is there any evidence of this?
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Is there any evidence of this?
None what so ever.
Welcome to the Internets where Broscience rules supreme.
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Is there any evidence of this?
It would not seem probable that any studies have been commissioned on, "the effects of 1000mg deca and 100mg Anavar on the hairline." Feel free to do your own research.
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It would not seem probable that any studies have been commissioned on, "the effects of 1000mg deca and 100mg Anavar on the hairline." Feel free to do your own research.
Do my own research? Wtf? I'm not the one making the claim that binding to the androgen receptor causes reversible hair loss!
If I made such claim, I would back it up.
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Do my own research? Wtf? I'm not the one making the claim that binding to the androgen receptor causes reversible hair loss!
If I made such claim, I would back it up.
Broscience can't be backed up.
Most of the advices on msg boards are crap & people are pulling info & theory out of their none striated glutes.
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This is the problem when you try to present information to people on the message boards, you just get rubbished. To be clear, I'm not makin any "claims", I'm just setting out some science. There are no studies on specific steroids and hair loss, bar testosterone, so these are only theories, but theories backed up by a bit of science, which is at least a little better than "broscience".
There is no evidence that I am aware of that prove that androgenic activity causes hairloss in the form of male pattern baldness, unless DHT is involved. If you know of any, please prove me wrong.
And whilst we're at it, by the same tone, why don't you show me some evidence that 1000mg deca and 100mg Anavar will cause hairloss?
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This is the problem when you try to present information to people on the message boards, you just get rubbished. To be clear, I'm not makin any "claims", I'm just setting out some science. There are no studies on specific steroids and hair loss, bar testosterone, so these are only theories, but theories backed up by a bit of science, which is at least a little better than "broscience".
There is no evidence that I am aware of that prove that androgenic activity causes hairloss in the form of male pattern baldness, unless DHT is involved. If you know of any, please prove me wrong.
And whilst we're at it, by the same tone, why don't you show me some evidence that 1000mg deca and 100mg Anavar will cause hairloss?
What is this science???
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What is this science???
Please refer to my previous posts regarding DHT and conversion to DHT and male pattern baldness vs telogen effluvium.
Many thanks.
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Please refer to my previous posts regarding DHT and conversion to DHT and male pattern baldness vs telogen effluvium.
Many thanks.
Ok, so basically it's just a thought you had. No evidence to back it up so it may be 100% inaccurate.
How DHT works is that it binds to the androgen receptor and causes hair loss. Anavar also binds so I'd be guessing but I'd say it did the same thing. Maybe it just binds weaker since it's a weaker androgen. I just not convinced at all about the whole telegen effluvium theory
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Ok, so basically it's just a thought you had. No evidence to back it up so it may be 100% inaccurate.
How DHT works is that it binds to the androgen receptor and causes hair loss. Anavar also binds so I'd be guessing but I'd say it did the same thing. Maybe it just binds weaker since it's a weaker androgen. I just not convinced at all about the whole telegen effluvium theory
I don't know for sure if it's 100% accurate because it has never been tested. Telogen Effluvium certainly is a "thing" though - http://www.m.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/effluviums
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I don't know for sure if it's 100% accurate because it has never been tested. Telogen Effluvium certainly is a "thing" though - http://www.m.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/effluviums
I know all about TE... I just see no link of binging to the AR causing TE... I do see evidence of it causing androgenic alopecia
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I know all about TE... I just see no link of binging to the AR causing TE... I do see evidence of it causing androgenic alopecia
I already said that as far as I am aware, there are no studies on it, I'm just repeating myself here. In my own personal experience, I had TE from tren. I started to go thin very quickly, but it all grew back despite shedding a load of hair to begin with. My hair doctor, Jose Lorenzo (internationally recognised hair doc), confirmed that it was telogen effluvium.
Your latter comment is interesting. I would be keen to see this evidence of binding to the androgen receptor causing androgenic allopecia where DHT or conversion to DHT is NOT involved. You may struggle since it is DHT that causes male pattern baldness / androgenic allopecia, not just anything that binds to androgen receptors!!!
This is my last post on this topic as I'm banging my head against a brick wall.
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I already said that as far as I am aware, there are no studies on it, I'm just repeating myself here. In my own personal experience, I had TE from tren. I started to go thin very quickly, but it all grew back despite shedding a load of hair to begin with. My hair doctor, Jose Lorenzo (internationally recognised hair doc), confirmed that it was telogen effluvium.
Your latter comment is interesting. I would be keen to see this evidence of binding to the androgen receptor causing androgenic allopecia where DHT or conversion to DHT is NOT involved. You may struggle since it is DHT that causes male pattern baldness / androgenic allopecia, not just anything that binds to androgen receptors!!!
This is my last post on this topic as I'm banging my head against a brick wall.
Interesting theories... I'm going to do a deca var cycle with low test and see how it goes...
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Interesting theories... I'm going to do a deca var cycle with low test and see how it goes...
If you see any hair loss, it will be from the test ;D
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I already said that as far as I am aware, there are no studies on it, I'm just repeating myself here. In my own personal experience, I had TE from tren. I started to go thin very quickly, but it all grew back despite shedding a load of hair to begin with. My hair doctor, Jose Lorenzo (internationally recognised hair doc), confirmed that it was telogen effluvium.
Your latter comment is interesting. I would be keen to see this evidence of binding to the androgen receptor causing androgenic allopecia where DHT or conversion to DHT is NOT involved. You may struggle since it is DHT that causes male pattern baldness / androgenic allopecia, not just anything that binds to androgen receptors!!!
This is my last post on this topic as I'm banging my head against a brick wall.
so what's your personal experience on these two quesitons:
do you think it was the amount of tren you took or the compound itself that caused TE?
is TE like a hormonal shock to the hair similar to an acne breakout when you change your hormonal levels?
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so what's your personal experience on these two quesitons:
do you think it was the amount of tren you took or the compound itself that caused TE?
Telogen Effluvium occurs due to sudden or severe stress. If the body is suddenly introduced to tren, which is a very powerful drug Which will very suddenly introduce our system to crazy androgen levels and hormonal imbalances, the shock hairloss can occur. The higher the dosage of tren, surely the more likely this.
is TE like a hormonal shock to the hair similar to an acne breakout when you change your hormonal levels?
In a sense, yes. It is likely that the sudden hormone shock / imbalance causes the shedding. The toxity of the drug could also be a contributing factor.
Good questions! Answers above.
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gotta shock the body and confuse your muscles, right babe?
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gotta shock the body and confuse your muscles, right babe?
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Haha! Piana didn't worry about this particular topic and just opted for transplants instead