Police State - Official Thread

[240 is Back]

a local drummer was coming home from a gig in FL...

broke down, was changing tire.  An UNMARKED cop pulled over, something happened, and the cop shot and killed the broke down musician.

Details are sketchy. 

[Agnostic007]

a local drummer was coming home from a gig in FL...

broke down, was changing tire.  An UNMARKED cop pulled over, something happened, and the cop shot and killed the broke down musician.

Details are sketchy. 

Is this a drummer joke?

[Skeletor]

Once again, the taxpayers have to pay the bill for the cops' incompetence. Unless the offending cops start paying out of their own pocket, it is unlikely things will change.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/las-vegas-police-pay-80000-woman-falsely-accused-prostitution

[240 is Back]

Is this a drummer joke?

nope.  Corey something.  he was on phone with AT&T HELP line for 53 minutes, and was dead for 47 miniutes of that (cop arrived 5 minutes into call), so there may be a recording of the shots and the drummers alleged threats to murder the cop.

One of the shots was supposedly confirmed to have hit the drummer in the back as he ran.  The first 4-5 bullets entered his front.

[avxo]

Remember the case of Mr. Patel, an elderly Indian man who didn't speak English, who was out on a walk in the neighborhood where his son lived and was left partially paralyzed after Madison cop Eric Parker body-slammed him to ground? Well, after 2 mistrials, it's Court time again. And this time, Parker's lawyer has an interesting new strategy: to blame the incident on Mr. Patel: "When you come to the U.S. we expect you to follow our laws and speak our language. Mr. Patel bears as much responsibility for this as anyone."

Read all about it in http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/10/defense_blames_indian_grandfat.html

This is infuriating. I get that you're trying to defend your client, but this is starting to border on the insane. There's no requirement that you speak English to visit the United States, and if a U.S. citizen had suffered this sort of injury overseas at the hands of a foreign cop, then you can bet that anyone making this argument would be excoriated by U.S. media - social and otherwise. And rightly so. But even if there was a requirement that one speak English, this sort of approach raises other questions; what if, for example, Mr. Patel was deaf and couldn't hear the instructions that Parker yelled? Would he still "bear as much responsibility"?

[Las Vegas]

Posey told the jury how Parker contacted dispatchers for help looking up crimes in the area to drum up probable cause for the stop that left Patel paralyzed.

I'm done playing Mr. Nice Guy with people making excuses for criminal cops.

[Las Vegas]

Remember the case of Mr. Patel, an elderly Indian man who didn't speak English, who was out on a walk in the neighborhood where his son lived and was left partially paralyzed after Madison cop Eric Parker body-slammed him to ground? Well, after 2 mistrials, it's Court time again. And this time, Parker's lawyer has an interesting new strategy: to blame the incident on Mr. Patel: "When you come to the U.S. we expect you to follow our laws and speak our language. Mr. Patel bears as much responsibility for this as anyone."

Read all about it in http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/10/defense_blames_indian_grandfat.html

This is infuriating. I get that you're trying to defend your client, but this is starting to border on the insane. There's no requirement that you speak English to visit the United States, and if a U.S. citizen had suffered this sort of injury overseas at the hands of a foreign cop, then you can bet that anyone making this argument would be excoriated by U.S. media - social and otherwise. And rightly so. But even if there was a requirement that one speak English, this sort of approach raises other questions; what if, for example, Mr. Patel was deaf and couldn't hear the instructions that Parker yelled? Would he still "bear as much responsibility"?

Yep, it is insane.  I must agree.  But if there are insane people looking for some reason -- ANY reason -- to buy in, then there you go.

[Agnostic007]

nope.  Corey something.  he was on phone with AT&T HELP line for 53 minutes, and was dead for 47 miniutes of that (cop arrived 5 minutes into call), so there may be a recording of the shots and the drummers alleged threats to murder the cop.

One of the shots was supposedly confirmed to have hit the drummer in the back as he ran.  The first 4-5 bullets entered his front.

We'll have to wait and see what information comes out as they investigate it. In the meantime, realize that it is not uncommon for shots to be in the back as a shooting is often a dynamic situation with people moving quickly and miliseconds is all it takes for a body to be turned. A lot faster than a human can realize the body is turning and refrain from shooting. So someone can be facing you, and as you are shooting, change position, causing your bullets to strike in the back before you make the mental adjustment. Not saying that happened, but just pointing out it doesn't always mean someone was running away   

[Agnostic007]

Remember the case of Mr. Patel, an elderly Indian man who didn't speak English, who was out on a walk in the neighborhood where his son lived and was left partially paralyzed after Madison cop Eric Parker body-slammed him to ground? Well, after 2 mistrials, it's Court time again. And this time, Parker's lawyer has an interesting new strategy: to blame the incident on Mr. Patel: "When you come to the U.S. we expect you to follow our laws and speak our language. Mr. Patel bears as much responsibility for this as anyone."

Read all about it in http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/10/defense_blames_indian_grandfat.html

This is infuriating. I get that you're trying to defend your client, but this is starting to border on the insane. There's no requirement that you speak English to visit the United States, and if a U.S. citizen had suffered this sort of injury overseas at the hands of a foreign cop, then you can bet that anyone making this argument would be excoriated by U.S. media - social and otherwise. And rightly so. But even if there was a requirement that one speak English, this sort of approach raises other questions; what if, for example, Mr. Patel was deaf and couldn't hear the instructions that Parker yelled? Would he still "bear as much responsibility"?

To me,, that whole things was an absolute screw up and there is no one to blame but that cop who threw him to the ground for no apparent reason

[Las Vegas]

To me,, that whole things was an absolute screw up and there is no one to blame but that cop who threw him to the ground for no apparent reason

Um, weren't you saying some bullshit about video might be a "bad angle" or something like that, before?

My apologies if it was someone else.

[Agnostic007]

Um, weren't you saying some bullshit about video might be a "bad angle" or something like that, before?

My apologies if it was someone else.

I think what you read was there was another video angle that showed it to be even worse than the one posted recently. 

[Agnostic007]

at least that is what I meant. I saw two angles.. both are horrible but the other was even worse

[240 is Back]

We'll have to wait and see what information comes out as they investigate it. In the meantime, realize that it is not uncommon for shots to be in the back as a shooting is often a dynamic situation with people moving quickly and miliseconds is all it takes for a body to be turned. A lot faster than a human can realize the body is turning and refrain from shooting. So someone can be facing you, and as you are shooting, change position, causing your bullets to strike in the back before you make the mental adjustment. Not saying that happened, but just pointing out it doesn't always mean someone was running away  

the kid was a local SW Florida drummer.  playing upscale gigs with a high end band.  opposite of the 'thug' that cops like to shoot and everyone likes to defend.

[Skeletor]

Remember the case of Mr. Patel, an elderly Indian man who didn't speak English, who was out on a walk in the neighborhood where his son lived and was left partially paralyzed after Madison cop Eric Parker body-slammed him to ground? Well, after 2 mistrials, it's Court time again. And this time, Parker's lawyer has an interesting new strategy: to blame the incident on Mr. Patel: "When you come to the U.S. we expect you to follow our laws and speak our language. Mr. Patel bears as much responsibility for this as anyone."

Read all about it in http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/10/defense_blames_indian_grandfat.html

This is infuriating. I get that you're trying to defend your client, but this is starting to border on the insane. There's no requirement that you speak English to visit the United States, and if a U.S. citizen had suffered this sort of injury overseas at the hands of a foreign cop, then you can bet that anyone making this argument would be excoriated by U.S. media - social and otherwise. And rightly so. But even if there was a requirement that one speak English, this sort of approach raises other questions; what if, for example, Mr. Patel was deaf and couldn't hear the instructions that Parker yelled? Would he still "bear as much responsibility"?

Tuten said:"If you act like a criminal you are going to be treated like one."

Tuten told the jury that if Patel had cooperated then police could have determined there was no crime and let him go. Tuten spoke of police "survival training," telling the jury:"In any situation if someone resists they are going to the ground."

[Las Vegas]

Tuten said:"If you act like a criminal you are going to be treated like one."

Tuten told the jury that if Patel had cooperated then police could have determined there was no crime and let him go. Tuten spoke of police "survival training," telling the jury:"In any situation if someone resists they are going to the ground."

They're throwing a Hail Mary, but lots of people will buy right into it.  Look at all the people on Getbig who take delight in the innocent being crushed.

[Agnostic007]

the kid was a local SW Florida drummer.  playing upscale gigs with a high end band.  opposite of the 'thug' that cops like to shoot and everyone likes to defend.

I understand he was a local drummer.. I also understand the other person was a cop. We can easily assume the cop just murdered an innocent person, but we can't concede a local drummer could have been a threat at the time... ok

[Las Vegas]

at least that is what I meant. I saw two angles.. both are horrible but the other was even worse

Well, I appreciate that you can see it.  I really do.

[Agnostic007]

Tuten said:"If you act like a criminal you are going to be treated like one."

Tuten told the jury that if Patel had cooperated then police could have determined there was no crime and let him go. Tuten spoke of police "survival training," telling the jury:"In any situation if someone resists they are going to the ground."

Lets say Tuten is right, and police are taught that in every case if someone turns to walk away, even if it's because they can't understand you, you take them to the ground. Ok... but are they taught that in every case it has to be a bone shattering slam to the ground? Come on....

[Skeletor]

Cop Arrested for Pointing Gun at Children, Video then Shows Fellow Cops Let Him Escape

Bakersfield, CA — Arrested three times within the last week for gun and drug charges, a sheriff’s deputy was recently caught on video escaping from custody as his arresting officers stood next to him in the parking lot and allowed their colleague to flee. Although the deputy was found high on meth and accused of aiming his gun at children, his arresting officers claim he’s a criminal mastermind capable of outwitting Harry Houdini.

On Saturday night, Kern County Sheriff’s Deputy Edward Tucker was arrested after allegedly pulling a gun on a group of children at a birthday party. According to a witness, Tucker told a group of girls that he was being chased and was looking for a woman on a bicycle before pulling out his gun. When the girls denied seeing anything, Tucker reportedly aimed his firearm at each of them.

“He pointed the gun straight at them, at their chest, each one individually, and told them, ‘You’re lying to me,'” the resident described.

As deputies arrived on the scene, Tucker hid inside his car and waited for them to arrest him. After placing Tucker in custody, deputies found five handguns, two shotguns, and an assault rifle in his vehicle. They also found a small amount of methamphetamine in his car and suspected Tucker of being under the influence.

Although Tucker had been bailed out after the arrest, he was arrested again on Tuesday after a retired deputy asked sheriff’s officials to check on Tucker’s welfare. After receiving suicidal text messages from Tucker, the retired deputy notified the sheriff’s office and deputies located Tucker in a park northwest of Bakersfield. They allegedly found him in possession of drugs, firearms, and an explosive detonating cord.

At 9:46 p.m. on Tuesday, Tucker can be seen on surveillance video unlocking the back door of a patrol car, while deputies Branden Routh and Salvador Orona remain focused on a computer in the parking spot next to their cruiser. According to Sheriff Donny Youngblood, the deputies rolled down Tucker’s window because he complained of nausea and gave him longer handcuffs because he complained of back problems. Instead of following protocol, the deputies also did not escort Tucker directly to jail and allowed him to escape.

For those of you who have never been arrested, cops don’t roll down your window, they don’t offer you longer handcuffs, and they certainly don’t leave you unattended in the parking garage no matter what excuses you give them. Even if Routh and Orona were engrossed in hardcore porn or fantasy football, they would have easily seen Tucker escaping from the next parking spot over or heard his flip-flops echoing across the garage as he ran towards the ramp.

Although Sheriff Youngblood doesn’t think Tucker had inside help escaping from the garage, the sheriff admitted that he doesn’t understand how Routh and Orona were unable to see or hear Tucker escape right next to them. Youngblood later speculated,

    “I don’t know this, but I suspect he may have been equipped with a handcuff key.”

Tucker was arrested for the third time this week at 3:20 p.m. on Thursday while hiding in a residential garage. He has been on unpaid leave from the sheriff’s office since October 2014. Tucker was arrested for domestic violence in 1991, and for possession/manufacture/sale of a dangerous weapon in 1988. The District Attorney’s office did not file charges in either incident.

On Wednesday, a former neighbor told KBAK that people commonly referred to the deputy as “Tweakin’ Tucker.” Preferring to remain anonymous, she recalled his aggressive and strange behavior throughout the years before his recent arrests.

“You can’t make this stuff up,” Sheriff Youngblood said during a news conference. “You just can’t.”

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/video-shows-deputy-escaping-police-custody-aiming-gun-children/

[Agnostic007]

"For those of you who have never been arrested, cops don’t roll down your window, they don’t offer you longer handcuffs, and they certainly don’t leave you unattended in the parking garage no matter what excuses you give them. Even if Routh and Orona were engrossed in hardcore porn or fantasy football, they would have easily seen Tucker escaping from the next parking spot over or heard his flip-flops echoing across the garage as he ran towards the ramp."

Well, as someone who has arrested my fair share I can tell you this is just not true. We roll windows down half way if the vehicle is not running and it is warm out. On complaints of back issues, or people who are just too darn big, we just double cuffs, meaning we link 2 sets of cuffs together to give more slack for the arms. So it would not be rare for then to afford someone that courtesy. And I think it is speculation that the deputies could have heard him as he didn't run until he rounded a corner. But having said all that... at best we have piss poor officer safety and incompetence. That is almost as bad as if they had just allowed him to escape. We've had officers who have lost prisoners as well. It usually comes down to letting down their guard and being complacent. They face a Discipline Review Hearing and get suspended due to the dangerous nature of allowing someone to escape.

[Skeletor]

Woman claims Henderson police unlawfully jailed her during investigation

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/woman-claims-henderson-police-unlawfully-jailed-her-during-investigation

[Skeletor]

“We reviewed the case. We didn’t find any violations of policy."  Of course.

Innocent 77-yo Blind Man Called 911 for Help, Cop Shows Up, Beat & Arrested Him for No Reason

Denver, CO — Philip White was travelling back home from a conference on technical advancements to assist the blind on May 22, 2012, when he missed his bus in Denver. White, who was 77-years-old at the time, and blind, called the police after the bus station security guard told him he had to leave the station. This call would prove to be detrimental.

White was told that the bus was full and he couldn’t get on board. He only wanted to discuss options with staffers at the terminal, but he eventually was told by a security guard that he was “trespassing” and he’d have to leave the terminal, according to court documents.

“Philip White missed his bus to the mountains, when he asked Greyhound staff for help in catching the next bus home, he was told by a security guard he was trespassing and had to leave the Greyhound Bus Depot,” said White’s attorney Mari Newman. “This is a Master’s Degree holder and long-time educator who was set upon with excessive force as police violated his civil rights, all over a bus ticket.”

After being told to leave, White declined and then called the police. Officer Kyllion Chafin of the notoriously brutal Denver police department showed up.

Chafin did not care that White was the person who had placed the call to police and instead of helping the man in need, he escalated the situation to violence.

Chafin quickly attacked White. White, having no idea if his aggressors were actually who they said they were, asked to feel Chafin’s badge to confirm he was an officer.

“He told me ‘You aren’t touching me,’” said White.

According to KDVR,

    The cop grabbed his arms, forcing them behind him, then cuffed him so tightly he suffered nerve damage in his fingers — or eyes, for him. He was then slammed into the ticket counter leaving his head bleeding.

    When Sgt. Bob Wykoff arrived, instead of trying to defuse the situation and offer the blind man help, without reading White his Miranda Rights, he began to video tape a bus station interrogation without White’s consent.

White was then brought to the downtown jail where he sat for 8 hours before police realized that they had no reason to keep him. He was then released, bloodied and bruised, without charges.

    “I thought they would have killed me if they thought they could get away with it,” said White. “I always trusted cops, but now my confidence in them is shaken. I felt so bad I wanted to leave the USA.”

On Friday, the Denver taxpayers were held liable for Chafin’s violence. A jury awarded White $100,000 in compensatory damages and $300,000 in punitive damages.

Chaffin faced zero discipline and his department defended his brutal actions against this now 80-year-old blind man.

“We respect the court and we respect the jury’s decision,” said Sonny Jackson, a police spokesman. “We reviewed the case. We didn’t find any violations of policy. We are always looking for ways to improve.”

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/innocent-77-yo-blind-man-called-911-help-cop-shows-up-beat-arrested-reason/

http://kdvr.com/2015/10/31/blind-man-awarded-400000-in-police-brutality-suit/

[Skeletor]

"Gonzalez was found guilty in June of deprivation of civil rights, conspiracy to violate constitutional rights and falsification of records in the 2011 beating of Gabriel Carrillo." 8 years...

Based on the falsified reports of the cops (claiming Carrillo attacked the cops), the beaten man could have gotten up to 14 years in prison...

Former Los Angeles sheriff's deputy gets eight years for brutal back-room beating of handcuffed man who'd come to jail to visit his brother

Sgt Eric Gonzalez was taken into custody immediately on Monday after being sentenced
He was convicted of several charges in the 2011 beating of Gabriel Carrillo
These included deprivation of civil rights, conspiracy to violate constitutional rights and falsification of records back in June
Could have got a maximum 12 years' jail - while his attorneys asked for a two-and-a-half year sentence
Four other deputies have been convicted, and fifth was indicted last month

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3300675/Los-Angeles-sheriffs-deputy-sentenced-jail-beating.html

Some more background:

http://abc7.com/news/los-angeles-sheriffs-deputy-gets-8-years-in-beating-of-jail-visitor/1064555/

https://photographyisnotacrime.com/2015/06/three-los-angeles-sheriff-deputies-convicted-in-beating-after-two-deputies-turn-against-them/

[Skeletor]

Shooting death of cop that sparked  manhunt was his own 'carefully staged suicide' after he secretly embezzled money from youth programs to pay off his mortgage and visit adult websites

• Lake County Sheriff's Office held a news conference on Wednesday
• Officials revealed Charles Gliniewicz, 52, killed himself on September 1
• He was the center of a legal investigation into his conduct in Fox Lake 
• Officer is suspected of using police funds for personal use and vacations
• Investigators say he tried to stage the crime scene to look like a homicide
• Lieutenant's death prompted an outpouring of support and huge funeral
• More than $300,000 spent on investigation with $196,000 paid in overtime
• Commander George Filenko said the cop committed the 'ultimate betrayal'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3302697/Investigators-discuss-new-information-officers-death.html

[Agnostic007]

Just saw the story about the officers carefully staged suicide. Was stealing from the Departments Explorer program. Fitting end.. wish he hadn't wasted so much taxpayer money trying to make it look like a shooting instead of the cowardly suicide it was.