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Short guys on the air tonight!
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review on lockett's win... talk of the jan tana show next week..
bob comments on priest's chances at the O... Bob talked to manion... He won't get a special invite, and there is a gray area - so once Lee's suspension is up - the day of the last show to qualify - NOW he has to GO BEFORE A PANEL TO PETITION GETTING BACK IN THE IFBB once the time is up.
Funny we didn't hear about that monster roadblock before :(
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has to GO BEFORE A PANEL TO PETITION GETTING BACK IN THE IFBB once the time is up.
Funny we didn't hear about that monster roadblock before :(
That's always been the case.
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That's always been the case.
It was never talked about before, only now. How convenient ::)
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Bob claims to be "in the supplement industry". ::)
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It was never talked about before, only now. How convenient ::)
It was talked about after he lied to Ron on video at the Arnold.
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Bodybuilders as a group are dumb and self-serving. They get what they deserve and that includes both Bob and the IFBB!
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Bodybuilders as a group are dumb and self-serving. They get what they deserve and that includes both Bob and the IFBB!
;D
cut the shit asshole...this aint up for debate.
and dont worry about my position here.
do as you're told or your gone...your choice.
Blow me! >:(
"Do as you're told or you're gone" ::) ::) Dear Bob: I'm not one of your IFBB athletes. ::)
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Bob claims to be "in the supplement industry". ::)
Yeah, I heard that and started laughing. He can't help but throw taht shit in..... ;D
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HAHAHAH do as you're told..........hahahahaha, I can't believe that shit HAHAHHAAA
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ban you, doesn't that require cause?
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HAHAHAH do as you're told..........hahahahaha, I can't believe that shit HAHAHHAAA
That just shows you this guy's mentality... he fits in well with the IFBB brass.
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It was talked about after he lied to Ron on video at the Arnold.
Still Hung up on that? Get over it
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That just shows you this guy's mentality... he fits in well with the IFBB brass.
I just can't believe he would think that would frighten anyone, he should be ashamed of himself for posting shit like that. he's probably still anger he backed up texasbubba and he was exposed as a liar.............again. :D
I'd go so far as to say he should delete his account and start over.
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ban you, doesn't that require cause?
No, it requires Ron's okay. Unlike dickhead Bob, Ron PM'ed me respectfully, told me his concerns, and we came to an understanding.
See, Bob, that's how you get things done, not by tossing hollow threats around. ::)
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Still Hung up on that? Get over it
Stating facts. I could give a crap less about him and what he does.
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oh yes, the texasblubber case...he's still bruised by it
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If Bob wants to ban people, he can go to bbing.com's forums and blow his jollies there.........
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Danny Padilla sounds like a cool guy.
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If Bob wants to ban people, he can go to bbing.com's forums and blow his jollies there.........
I don't think Will allows Bob to have the ban buttons either! ;D
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Danny Padilla sounds like a cool guy.
Agree.
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hahahahaha do what your told ::)
brutal paintshop skills
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hahahahaha do what your told ::)
brutal paintshop skills
HAHAHA!
Where can I get one?
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did he really say that?
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HAHAHA!
Where can I get one?
from all leading IFBB schmoes judges
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they never got over the sexual deviant chatter that made them look compliant
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Nice to hear Danny on the radio. He comes across as a smart, cool guy who kept going despite the raw deals he got on stage. Especially losing to Robinson after a perfect score at the NOC. Only in the IFBB!!
Danny told it like it was and is the uncrowned Mr Olympia at the 81 Franco fiasco.
I took heaps of photos at the 1980 Mr Olympia and when I looked at them after the show it was obvious Danny was the biggest guy at the show, muscle for muscle, yet was never compared once! Mentzer and others called fix but Danny was totally overlooked. He came back in 81 cut to ribbons and still didn't win. You have to feel sorry for guys who get shafted like Padilla did. Maybe Joe should award Danny a Sandow for that travesty. The Canadians protested when their pairs didn't win an Olympic ice skating gold and it was awarded later and the result was both the Russian and Canadian pairs won a gold medal.
Can we imagine if the internet was around in 81! There would have been bedlam on these boards when Franco won.
Danny does a great Joe Weider impersonation. Nice to see muscleheads with a sense of humour.
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Bodybuilders as a group are dumb and self-serving.
or in your case as individuals.
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It is good to have the guys on the radio. Zane comes across as quite intelligent and Padilla is no dope. I have always believed that it takes intelligence to win top bodybuilding shows. Just how much is still debatable.
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lee priest looks like keebler
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Chick, in your honest opinion, do you feel that it is unfair for Lee priest to be unable to compete in the O? You must have made him say how hes willing to comply to the rules of the IFBB 10x on PBW? And he replied yes...yes...yes. He is a great in the sport and has one of the largest fan bases of any athlete on that stage. I don't understand how that in any way can be bad for the event. The IFBB should consider it a privilege to have Lee's interest in the biggest show of the year. Are you in the best intrest of the athlete? If so are you doing everything in your power to help the situation, or is it out of you hands at this point?
- thanks bob
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BOB TRIED.....BUT I WILL MAYBE..THATS MAYBE BE ALLOWED BACK IN THE IFBB IN 2008...
TAKE CARE
LEE
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BOB TRIED.....BUT I WILL MAYBE..THATS MAYBE BE ALLOWED BACK IN THE IFBB IN 2008...
TAKE CARE
LEE
There must be some way to get you into the O >:(
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It was talked about after he lied to Ron on video at the Arnold.
boo hoo he lied!!
it seems the IFBB's official shmoe rep cares about lee's every move
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NO MY SUSPENSION WAS UP 15TH AT 12.01 AM SAME DAY AS LAST SHOW TO QUALIFY....THEN ONCE SUSPENSION IS UP...I HAVE TO GET REINSTATED BACK IN...BOB ASKED TO HAVE THE MEETING BEFORE MY SUSPENSION WAS UP TO GET THE OK TO REINSTATE ME AT THE TIME SUSPESNSION WAS UP TO LET ME QUALIFY FOR THE OLYMPIA...BUT JIM SAID NO...OH WELL NOT A PROBLEM LIFE GOES ON....
LEE
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NO MY SUSPENSION WAS UP 15TH AT 12.01 AM SAME DAY AS LAST SHOW TO QUALIFY....THEN ONCE SUSPENSION IS UP...I HAVE TO GET REINSTATED BACK IN...BOB ASKED TO HAVE THE MEETING BEFORE MY SUSPENSION WAS UP TO GET THE OK TO REINSTATE ME AT THE TIME SUSPESNSION WAS UP TO LET ME QUALIFY FOR THE OLYMPIA...BUT JIM SAID NO...OH WELL NOT A PROBLEM LIFE GOES ON....
LEE
U still gonna be in vegas during the expo?
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NO MY SUSPENSION WAS UP 15TH AT 12.01 AM SAME DAY AS LAST SHOW TO QUALIFY....THEN ONCE SUSPENSION IS UP...I HAVE TO GET REINSTATED BACK IN...BOB ASKED TO HAVE THE MEETING BEFORE MY SUSPENSION WAS UP TO GET THE OK TO REINSTATE ME AT THE TIME SUSPESNSION WAS UP TO LET ME QUALIFY FOR THE OLYMPIA...BUT JIM SAID NO...OH WELL NOT A PROBLEM LIFE GOES ON....
LEE
You'v been an ifbb pro for about a gazillion years. Those bitches owe you for what youve done for bodybuilding and the IFBB.
Jim needs to recognize Priest.
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U still gonna be in vegas during the expo?
NO
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..BUT JIM SAID NO...
If the suspension is up on the 15th and they don't let you compete, that's total crap. If they had intended to suspend you for the entire 2007 season, then that's how they should have worded the suspension. I swear to god, most of the IFBB's public relations wounds are self-inflicted. They're like the keystone kops over there.
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NO
Why not? Manion banish you?
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Why not? Manion banish you?
NO HAVE NO REASON TO BE THERE......I AM NOT PART OF IFBB OR OLYMPIA....SORRY......
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NO HAVE NO REASON TO BE THERE......I AM NOT PART OF IFBB OR OLYMPIA....SORRY......
are you not a fan? and a respected competitor who has many fans?
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NO HAVE NO REASON TO BE THERE......I AM NOT PART OF IFBB OR OLYMPIA....SORRY......
But you're a professional bodybuilder, and your fans will be there. If you really don't want to be there that's fine, but I'd bet Manion said if you want to be considered for reinstatement in '08, you had to stay away.
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Pete Rose sets up shop and signs autographs in Cooperstown every year on Hall of Fame day.
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are you not a fan? and a respected competitor who has many fans?
NOT OF THE CURRENT BODIES ...NO ....MY SPONSORS ARE NOT GOING SO NOR AM I.....I WILL WATCH ON WEB
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NOT OF THE CURRENT BODIES ...NO ....MY SPONSORS ARE NOT GOING SO NOR AM I.....I WILL WATCH ON WEB
Who sponsors you now, Musclemag? They don't do the Olympia??
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NOT OF THE CURRENT BODIES ...NO ....MY SPONSORS ARE NOT GOING SO NOR AM I.....I WILL WATCH ON WEB
I am surprised C.E.L are not having a booth..
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NO HAVE NO REASON TO BE THERE......I AM NOT PART OF IFBB OR OLYMPIA....SORRY......
Manhattan is a nice place to compete guest pose visit in late September.
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Bob! Here's one for you... you say because Lee's membership has lapsed and because he couldn't renew, he's not currently a member of the IFBB, right?
Okay, so if he does the NOC in September, he's not breaking any IFBB rules, since he's not an IFBB member, right?
If so, why should that have any bearing on whether or not he gets reinstated for 2008? I understand in 2006 he was an IFBB member, and as such couldn't legally compete in 2006 NOC, so he was suspended. But how could the IFBB hold competing in the 2007 NOC against him when he applies for IFBB membership again in 2008, since he would not be breaking any IFBB rules by doing so?
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Bob! Here's one for you... you say because Lee's membership has lapsed and because he couldn't renew, he's not currently a member of the IFBB, right?
Okay, so if he does the NOC in September, he's not breaking any IFBB rules, since he's not an IFBB member, right?
If so, why should that have any bearing on whether or not he gets reinstated for 2008? I understand in 2006 he was an IFBB member, and as such couldn't legally compete in 2006 NOC, so he was suspended. But how could the IFBB hold competing in the 2007 NOC against him when he applies for IFBB membership again in 2008, since he would not be breaking any IFBB rules by doing so?
Speak on this Robert............. >:(
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yes Robert Michael, the fans are listening.
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bbbbbboooooooooooorrrrrr rrrrrrrriiiiiiiinnnnnnnn nnnnnggggggggggggggggg.
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Bob! Here's one for you... you say because Lee's membership has lapsed and because he couldn't renew, he's not currently a member of the IFBB, right?
Right
Okay, so if he does the NOC in September, he's not breaking any IFBB rules, since he's not an IFBB member, right?
Thats correct...he cannot break rules of a federation he's not currently a part of.
If so, why should that have any bearing on whether or not he gets reinstated for 2008? I understand in 2006 he was an IFBB member, and as such couldn't legally compete in 2006 NOC, so he was suspended. But how could the IFBB hold competing in the 2007 NOC against him when he applies for IFBB membership again in 2008, since he would not be breaking any IFBB rules by doing so?
When an athlete applies for reinstatement, they take all things into consideration...If Lee were to decide to compete in the PDI shows, it may be taken that he realy doesn't want back in, as justified by his actions. (just my opinion)...
The other thing they can do, is keep updating his suspension date even though he's not an official member as they did not suspend him indefinately...
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i think it is bullshit that they would hold it against him if he competed in the noc
it seems like the ifbb is way too controlling
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i think it is bullshit that they would hold it against him if he competed in the noc
it seems like the ifbb is way too controlling
Do you think it would help?
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When an athlete applies for reinstatement, they take all things into consideration...If Lee were to decide to compete in the PDI shows, it may be taken that he realy doesn't want back in, as justified by his actions. (just my opinion)...
The other thing they can do, is keep updating his suspension date even though he's not an official member as they did not suspend him indefinately...
but then if they ever tried to signed someone else away from the PDI (Frey, Haddad, Voros) without requiring a year 'time-out' they'd be opening themselves up for a lawsuit.
but then again, I think much of what they do should be grounds for a lawsuit.
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but then if they ever signed someone away from the PDI without requiring a year 'time-out' they'd be opening themselves up for a lawsuit.
but then again, I think much of what they do should be grounds for a lawsuit.
First off...IF...and I emphasize...IF...hey ever did consider someone from the PDI...they would have to meet he required qualification to become a IFBB pro, or compete (if eligable) in the NPC and go that route....not likely to happen anyway.
Difference with Lee's case is...he WAS an IFBB pro.
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First off...IF...and I emphasize...IF...they ever did consider someone from the PDI...they would have to meet he required qualification to become a IFBB pro, or compete (if eligable) in the NPC and go that route....not likely to happen anyway.
there have been a few non-US IFBB pros that were offered pro cards without ever winning an amateur IFBB contest. Silvio Samuel Saviour (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Samuel+Saviour,+Silvio), Sergei Ogorodnikov (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ogorodnikov,+Sergei), Eddie Ellwood (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ellwood,+Eddie) come to mind. Plus there are a few PDI athletes who have already won an IFBB national or international event, such as Sami Al Haddad (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Al+Haddad,+Sami) and Zoltan Voros (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Voros,+Zoltan).
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there have been a few non-US IFBB pros that were offered pro cards without ever winning an amateur IFBB contest. Silvio Samuel Saviour (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Samuel+Saviour,+Silvio), Sergei Ogorodnikov (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ogorodnikov,+Sergei), Eddie Ellwood (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ellwood,+Eddie) come to mind.
Did they win their country's National championship?
Was their country's Fed, affiliated with the IFBB
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Did they win their country's National championship? Was their country's Fed, affiliated with the IFBB
click on the links. Silvio made his mark in NAC and WABBA, but is now competing as an IFBB pro. Sergei Ogorodnikov came from NABBA. True he's only competed once in an IFBB pro contest, but it's evidence that the IFBB can and does give a pro card to who ever they want. No qualifying in an IFBB amateur contest required.
(I'm sure I could go back 20 years and find many more examples. having a database comes in handy)
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Actually, the IFBB "rules" are a sham... mere window dressing to try to make them appear like a legitimate "sports federation". In reality, there's only ONE rule: "do as you're told or your gone...", right Bob? ::) ::)
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Actually, the IFBB "rules" are a sham... mere window dressing to try to make them appear like a legitimate "sports federation". In reality, there's only ONE rule: "do as you're told or your gone...", right Bob? ::) ::)
Know your role, Goatboy...!
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haha Bob wants to "ban" Goatboy!!!! ::)
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haha Bob wants to "ban" Goatboy!!!! ::)
At least he's not stalking me like that creepy Basile. :-X
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Know your role, Goatboy...!
That's a poor statement, Bob.
In real life, Goatboy works in high finance and could probably do the job you do with a great deal more dimplomacy and prowess of financial topics.
'Know your role' is a disrespectful thing to say. Goatboy is a fan discussing IFBB events on a bodybuilding board. if he's wrong, tell him why. But 'know your role' is an elitiest thing to say and above all, crass.
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At least he's not stalking me like that creepy Basile. :-X
On that we agree.....he gives me the heebeejeebees.
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That's a poor statement, Bob.
In real life, Goatboy works in high finance and could probably do the job you do with a great deal more dimplomacy and prowess of financial topics.
'Know your role' is a disrespectful thing to say. Goatboy is a fan discussing IFBB events on a bodybuilding board. if he's wrong, tell him why. But 'know your role' is an elitiest thing to say and above all, crass.
It's a joke...lighten up, Francis!
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That's a poor statement, Bob.
In real life, Goatboy works in high finance and could probably do the job you do with a great deal more dimplomacy and prowess of financial topics.
'Know your role' is a disrespectful thing to say. Goatboy is a fan discussing IFBB events on a bodybuilding board. if he's wrong, tell him why. But 'know your role' is an elitiest thing to say and above all, crass.
ahahha 240 getting all high and mighty on the Chickster :D
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It's a joke...lighten up, Francis!
In that case, carry on champ!
(http://www.thetalentshow.org/images/Mike%2520Tyson's%2520Punch%2520Out%25203.png)
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At least he's not stalking me like that creepy Basile. :-X
really!
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On that we agree.....he gives me the heebeejeebees.
I think Basile may be losing it, an onset of senility or something.
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I think Basile may be losing it, an onset of senility or something.
no, it's more pathological than senility.
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Why can't Jim Manion or a IFBB official be the spokesman of IFBB?
It doesn't seem quite right if the Athlete Rep is the spokesman for the official organisation?
-Hedge
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Why can't Jim Manion or a IFBB official be the spokesman of IFBB?
It doesn't seem quite right if the Athlete Rep is the spokesman for the official organisation?
-Hedge
maybe because they dont know what they're doing?
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Why can't Jim Manion or a IFBB official be the spokesman of IFBB?
It doesn't seem quite right if the Athlete Rep is the spokesman for the official organisation?
-Hedge
I'm not the spokesman for the IFBB...
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hahahaha, what do you people want Bob to do, hold a gun to Manion's head and force him to let Lee do the Olympia? gimme a fucckin' break, i like Lee but he made his choice and he knew the consequences.
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hahahaha, what do you people want Bob to do, hold a gun to Manion's head and force him to let Lee do the Olympia? gimme a fucckin' break, i like Lee but he made his choice and he knew the consequences.
You have a good idea there. I like it. Lets have the competitors vote ;D
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You have a good idea there. I like it. Lets have the competitors vote ;D
ok muscle mafia ::)
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You have a good idea there. I like it. Lets have the competitors vote ;D
hahahaha.
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HOW CAN THEY KEEP SUSPENDING ME ..IF I AM NOT A MEMBER.......I HAVE SPONSORS TO KEEP HAPPY...IF THE IFBB DOSENT LET ME COMPETE I WILL COMPETE ELSEWHERE THAT IS FOR SURE...HAVE TO MAKE A LIVING.....
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you know that's what annoys me most about this "punishment' to Lee A Priest. the IFBB is causing financial hardship on Lee A Priest if they forbid him to get other work when he is not under contract. how can he be an independent contractor if his conditions for reinstatement include not working for a rival organization?
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HOW CAN THEY KEEP SUSPENDING ME ..IF I AM NOT A MEMBER.......I HAVE SPONSORS TO KEEP HAPPY...IF THE IFBB DOSENT LET ME COMPETE I WILL COMPETE ELSEWHERE THAT IS FOR SURE...HAVE TO MAKE A LIVING.....
You know your options, Lee...as we discussed...the IFBB may very well let you back, in 2008. What you do before that application will certainly have a bearing on the outcome.
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you know that's what annoys me most about this "punishment' to Lee A Priest. the IFBB is causing financial hardship on Lee A Priest if they forbid him to get other work when he is not under contract. how can he be an independent contractor if his conditions for reinstatement include not working for a rival organization?
The IFBB does not forbid Lee to work elsewhere...nor can they dictate what he does or does not do to earn a living.
He has no "conditions" for reinstatement...I can only stress that whatever his actions are may reflect on heir willingness to allow him back in...should he want back in.
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WHY IS THAT BOB??? IF I AM NOT A MEMBER THEN ICAN COMPETE FREE ANYWHERE....I HAVE SPONSORS TO PLEASE AND MAKE A LIVING ......I AM MEANT TO WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR AND THEN MAYBE ..THATS MAYBE GET LET BACK IN......SO THE IFBB WILL PAY ME TILL THEN NOT TO COMPETE ELSEWHERE??
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You know your options, Lee...as we discussed...the IFBB may very well let you back, in 2008. What you do before that application will certainly have a bearing on the outcome.
translation:
"do as you're told or your gone..."
:D
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You know your options, Lee...as we discussed...the IFBB may very well let you back, in 2008. What you do before that application will certainly have a bearing on the outcome.
why can't Manion and co. organise a special meeting to hear the case prior to the last show, then Lee could prepare and qualify for the O (if good enough) and would have served his one year suspension.. that would be logical and ethical (IMO)
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why can't Manion and co. organise a special meeting to hear the case prior to the last show, then Lee could prepare and qualify for the O (if good enough) and would have served his one year suspension.. that would be logical and ethical (IMO)
It was proposed...and rejected.
No special circumstances will be given...
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It was proposed...and rejected.
No special circumstances will be given...
on what grounds was it rejected? It's not like he want's to compete prior to the expiration of his suspension, just wants to know if he should bother getting into shape.. :-\
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on what grounds was it rejected? It's not like he want's to compete prior to the expiration of his suspension, just wants to know if he should bother getting into shape.. :-\
It was rejected on the grounds that a reduced suspension was already offered to Lee, which he rejected...so they won't offer another one.
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It was rejected on the grounds that a reduced suspension was already offered to Lee, which he rejected...so they won't offer another one.
Was Lee banned for more than one year? IF not, his suspension would/should have been backdated to the competition (PDI NYC show)..
So realistically Lee isn't asking for a reduced suspension (or any favour), rather asking/confirming his eligibility to compete once his suspension is over.. IF he has shown his intent (like he recently has on PBW, replay available via http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/radioarchive.htm 8) ) that should be sufficient for Manion and co. to at the least confirm that he would be accepted back in the IFBB once the full term of the suspension was served.
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Was Lee banned for more than one year? IF not, his suspension would/should have been backdated to the competition (PDI NYC show)..
So realistically Lee isn't asking for a reduced suspension (or any favour), rather asking/confirming his eligibility to compete once his suspension is over.. IF he has shown his intent (like he recently has on PBW, replay available via http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/radioarchive.htm 8) ) that should be sufficient for Manion and co. to at the least confirm that he would be accepted back in the IFBB once the full term of the suspension was served.
Lee's suspension was dated from Sept 16, 2006- Sept. 15, 2007
Once your suspension is up, you are then eligible to APPLY for reinstatement, which would be considered by a panel...this process alone would take him past the AC Pro date, as I already stated...they will not hear the case before the suspension ends.
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Im getting confused, does Chick represent the IFBB/Manion or does he represent the pro bodybuilders who compete ?
::)
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Lee's suspension was dated from Sept 16, 2006- Sept. 15, 2007
Once your suspension is up, you are then eligible to APPLY for reinstatement, which would be considered by a panel...this process alone would take him past the AC Pro date, as I already stated...they will not hear the case before the suspension ends.
Tell Jim to gimme a call, (Dan has my number) I'll sort it out with him direct (no offense Bob) ;D It'll be done over a couple of beers having a bbq.. ;)
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Im getting confused, does Chick represent the IFBB/Manion or does he represent the pro bodybuilders who compete ?
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I represent the IFBB athletes....
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Im getting confused, does Chick represent the IFBB/Manion or does he represent the pro bodybuilders who compete ?
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Keep in mind Bob can only work within the specified guidelines. Unless someone wants to legally challenge the IFBB constitution, Bob can't do much more than appeal to the discretion of the IFBB powerbrokers.
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bob, why did you delete my OPINION that you don't give a shit about lee?
if my OPINION was that you did, you wouldn't have deleted it.
This is a gossip and OPINION board.
You wig wearer.
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i appreciate to openness and candor of all the participants
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bob, why did you delete my OPINION that you don't give a shit about lee?
if my OPINION was that you did, you wouldn't have deleted it.
This is a gossip and OPINION board.
You wig wearer.
I didn't delete your post...say whatever you want
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I didn't delete your post...say whatever you want
okay.
Rusty Jeffers owns you.
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okay.
Rusty Jeffers owns you.
Rusty Jeffers owned 8th place...
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Rusty Jeffers owned 8th place...
Did Bubba judge that show? ;D
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WHY IS THAT BOB??? IF I AM NOT A MEMBER THEN ICAN COMPETE FREE ANYWHERE....I HAVE SPONSORS TO PLEASE AND MAKE A LIVING ......I AM MEANT TO WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR AND THEN MAYBE ..THATS MAYBE GET LET BACK IN......SO THE IFBB WILL PAY ME TILL THEN NOT TO COMPETE ELSEWHERE??
EXACTLY!
If they by chance eventually justify in their all-mighty heads.. "Well Lee, looks like we can't let you back into the IFBB because while your suspension was over, and you were FREE to do as you wish since you were not under any IFBB laws or regulations or associations, that you decided to earn a living elsewhere! No, it doesn't say anywhere that you can't compete in the PDI while not holding an IFBB card, but we'll be bastards and keep you out anyways because we make the rules on the spot.. blah blah blah. Oh yea.. and even though it's our rule that our athletes cannot be criminals or involved in pornography.. we're still going to continue to overlook those rules and just inforce the ones we like.. tee-hee"
Don't waste your time with it Lee.. you'll get screwed around 100% If they really wanted to let you back they'd re-instate you back for the AC and hence the Olympia - since they can bend the rules to their liking.
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Lee was already offered a reduced suspension...he refused it...thus the reasonong behind not offering another, or any consideration...
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Isn't everyone sick of Bob having to 'explain' all those fine details in the rules? Manion makes them up as he pleases and Bob repeats them here. Why should anyone have to ask Bob about anything?
The Olympia was set up to allow the top guys to have a contest where they can compete against the other top guys. If Lee Priest wins top shows in other organizations then he should qualify. Seems to me the current pro guys have long lost the plot about what the Olympia and other pro shows should be. The independent contractors have to sign contracts. Nice one, IFBB.
I vote we can the pro organization and give Manion a lifetime achievement award and then retire him along with Ben and Joe. Obviously that means there will be no gift job for Bob Chick.
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These rules were in place long before Manion was in charge...
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Did Bubba judge that show? ;D
yes.
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The IFBB does not forbid Lee to work elsewhere...nor can they dictate what he does or does not do to earn a living.
He has no "conditions" for reinstatement...I can only stress that whatever his actions are may reflect on heir willingness to allow him back in...should he want back in.
Why would it have any bearing on their decision if he currently is not a member. Are you telling us the IFBB controls current and former members livelyhood whether they are members or not. Oh you say no, then why do they make idle threats like this. What he does when he is not a member of the IFBB has NO concern or bearing on how Lee is treated. If he had to requalify for it then the IFBB 100% has to let him or they would be in some deep shit legally. I wish Lee would follow through with the lawsuit he was talking about cause the way the IFBB publically is preventing Lee from making a living is illegal. They are interfering with him trying to make a living like he is accustom too. It's funny how you say"I can only stress that whatever his actions are may reflect on their willingness to allow him back". That is hilarious. What a joke company you are controlled by. You come on a public forum and say things like this only proves their ignorance. Come on Lee get that law suit going, watch the IFBB cave-in at your knees.
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These rules were in place long before Manion was in charge...
cough....cough.....bulls hit....cough
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they'll settle for $40,000. with a no disclosure clause
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Why would it have any bearing on their decision if he currently is not a member. Are you telling us the IFBB controls current and former members livelyhood whether they are members or not. Oh you say no, then why do they make idle threats like this.
They will take all things into considerion..they don't HAVE to let him back in at all.
What he does when he is not a member of the IFBB has NO concern or bearing on how Lee is treated. If he had to requalify for it then the IFBB 100% has to let him or they would be in some deep shit legally. I wish Lee would follow through with the lawsuit he was talking about cause the way the IFBB publically is preventing Lee from making a living is illegal.
You dont know what you're talking about (again)....Lee is making a living, he has made money competing, with endorsements, and with seminars...all without he IFBB...If anything...he has made a case FOR the IFBB.
They are interfering with him trying to make a living like he is accustom too.
This isn't a divorce action...no one is interfering with anything, and no one is saying he cannot compete elsewhere...
It's funny how you say"I can only stress that whatever his actions are may reflect on their willingness to allow him back". That is hilarious. What a joke company you are controlled by. You come on a public forum and say things like this only proves their ignorance. Come on Lee get that law suit going, watch the IFBB cave-in at your knees.
Please....
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yes.
Now I see why Bob was defending him so hard... he owes him. ;)
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HOW CAN THEY KEEP SUSPENDING ME ..IF I AM NOT A MEMBER.......I HAVE SPONSORS TO KEEP HAPPY...IF THE IFBB DOSENT LET ME COMPETE I WILL COMPETE ELSEWHERE THAT IS FOR SURE...HAVE TO MAKE A LIVING.....
I thought you were making 160k a year and didn't need to compete. Your story changes every week. ::)
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The IFBB is the biggest joke of an organization I've ever heard of in my life
It seems like it is run by some of the most autocratic pieces of shit to ever walk the face of the earth
I hope the IFBB goes belly up soon- it is definitely headed in that direction already
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I thought you were making 160k a year and didn't need to compete. Your story changes every week. ::)
ARE YOU STUPID......YOU HAVE TO STILL MAKE A LIVING AND PUT MONEY AWAY FOR WHEN IT'S OVER...DUMBASS...NO I DONT HAVE TO COMPETE...........BUT MY SPONSORS WHO PAY THAT 160.000 WOULD SURE LOVE THAT I DO...DICKHEAD :)
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Why would it have any bearing on their decision if he currently is not a member. Are you telling us the IFBB controls current and former members livelyhood whether they are members or not. Oh you say no, then why do they make idle threats like this.
They will take all things into considerion..they don't HAVE to let him back in at all.
What he does when he is not a member of the IFBB has NO concern or bearing on how Lee is treated. If he had to requalify for it then the IFBB 100% has to let him or they would be in some deep shit legally. I wish Lee would follow through with the lawsuit he was talking about cause the way the IFBB publically is preventing Lee from making a living is illegal.
You dont know what you're talking about (again)....Lee is making a living, he has made money competing, with endorsements, and with seminars...all without he IFBB...If anything...he has made a case FOR the IFBB. Again you are clouded in the head. Yes he is making a living but he lost substantial amount of sponsorship money because of the IFBB threatening his sponsor. THAT IS A FACT ad no matter how much you try to tell anything different everyone knows you are lying. If you don't see this then you really don't belong representing anyone but yourself, cause all you do is hurt the futures of the guys you are suppose to be representing. Really, you need to start thinking before you type, cause you continuesly make yourself look bad.
They are interfering with him trying to make a living like he is accustom too.
This isn't a divorce action...no one is interfering with anything, and no one is saying he cannot compete elsewhere... Honestly how dumb are you CHic. At times I think you just put shit like this down to make it look like you're stupid. I hope this is the case, cause if not then it is a sorry case for bodybuilding. Yes or no the IFBB suspended Lee for competing in the PDI. If not then why did Lee get suspended. God you are like trying to talk to Goodrum and sometimes worse. Do you really like being compared to him.
It's funny how you say"I can only stress that whatever his actions are may reflect on their willingness to allow him back". That is hilarious. What a joke company you are controlled by. You come on a public forum and say things like this only proves their ignorance. Come on Lee get that law suit going, watch the IFBB cave-in at your knees.
Please....
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Why would it have any bearing on their decision if he currently is not a member. Are you telling us the IFBB controls current and former members livelyhood whether they are members or not. Oh you say no, then why do they make idle threats like this.
They will take all things into considerion..they don't HAVE to let him back in at all.
What he does when he is not a member of the IFBB has NO concern or bearing on how Lee is treated. If he had to requalify for it then the IFBB 100% has to let him or they would be in some deep shit legally. I wish Lee would follow through with the lawsuit he was talking about cause the way the IFBB publically is preventing Lee from making a living is illegal.
You dont know what you're talking about (again)....Lee is making a living, he has made money competing, with endorsements, and with seminars...all without he IFBB...If anything...he has made a case FOR the IFBB. Again you are clouded in the head. Yes he is making a living but he lost substantial amount of sponsorship money because of the IFBB threatening his sponsor. THAT IS A FACT ad no matter how much you try to tell anything different everyone knows you are lying.
No...he has lost substancial sponsorship because those are some of the perks that come with being in the IFBB....sponsors want a guy in the IFBB because the exposure and ROI is much greator han if he was in a lesser known organization
If you don't see this then you really don't belong representing anyone but yourself, cause all you do is hurt the futures of the guys you are suppose to be representing. Really, you need to start thinking before you type, cause you continuesly make yourself look bad.
I write the truth..you write whatever Wayne tells you.
They are interfering with him trying to make a living like he is accustom too.
This isn't a divorce action...no one is interfering with anything, and no one is saying he cannot compete elsewhere... Honestly how dumb are you CHic. At times I think you just put shit like this down to make it look like you're stupid. I hope this is the case, cause if not then it is a sorry case for bodybuilding. Yes or no the IFBB suspended Lee for competing in the PDI. If not then why did Lee get suspended.
Yes, thats why he was suspended....no one at this time is telling him he cant compete where ever he wishes. let alone the IFBB....as a member, you cannot. It's not that tough to figure out, Keith.....
God you are like trying to talk to Goodrum and sometimes worse. Do you really like being compared to him.
It's funny how you say"I can only stress that whatever his actions are may reflect on their willingness to allow him back". That is hilarious. What a joke company you are controlled by. You come on a public forum and say things like this only proves their ignorance. Come on Lee get that law suit going, watch the IFBB cave-in at your knees.
Please....
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Pete Rose sets up shop and signs autographs in Cooperstown every year on Hall of Fame day.
Thats because baseball is a sport and Pete Rose is an athlete!!
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Bob, are you a policeman? You sure think like one. I had the misfortune to date a former staff sergeant and found out too late who she was. Yep, same MO. Follow the rules but no capacity to formulate good rules.
Your job position appointed position seems to be explaining the fine print in the IFBB rules. You complain that the pros don't attend meetings and you wonder why? They know the crap that goes on in the IFBB. The rules are used to control people and little else. They used the rule about not competing in other organizations to kick Sergio out of the Olympia for several years. If you go back to 1970 you will see that Arnold and Sergio competed in the NABBA Universe but both were allowed to compete in the Mr Olympia that year. When Sergio enterred Dan Lurie contests he was suspended so he couldn't compete in 1971 and after 1972. The 72 result was not something the IFBB should be proud of.
In the old days we all knew Joe Weider and Bob Hoffman were bigheaded, pompous publishers and trainers of champions. Bob was the good guy and Joe the bad guy. How times have changed. That former power struggle for control evolved into the ridiculous IFBB professionalism. This is hardly progress. You have three groups competing for the bodybuilders. Publishers, promoters and sponsors. It very much looks like the IFBB is in bed with all three. The hapless bodybuilders have to present with cap in hand and even bow down to THEIR athlete rep! What a travesty bodybuilding has become because of the IFBB.
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IT'S OVER...DUMBASS...
It appears that time is upon you. :-*
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Bob, are you a policeman? You sure think like one.
Former....Deputy Sheriff.
I had the misfortune to date a former staff sergeant and found out too late who she was. Yep, same MO. Follow the rules but no capacity to formulate good rules.
Your job position appointed position seems to be explaining the fine print in the IFBB rules. You complain that the pros don't attend meetings and you wonder why? They know the crap that goes on in the IFBB. The rules are used to control people and little else. They used the rule about not competing in other organizations to kick Sergio out of the Olympia for several years. If you go back to 1970 you will see that Arnold and Sergio competed in the NABBA Universe but both were allowed to compete in the Mr Olympia that year. When Sergio enterred Dan Lurie contests he was suspended so he couldn't compete in 1971 and after 1972. The 72 result was not something the IFBB should be proud of.
In the old days we all knew Joe Weider and Bob Hoffman were bigheaded, pompous publishers and trainers of champions. Bob was the good guy and Joe the bad guy. How times have changed. That former power struggle for control evolved into the ridiculous IFBB professionalism. This is hardly progress. You have three groups competing for the bodybuilders. Publishers, promoters and sponsors. It very much looks like the IFBB is in bed with all three. The hapless bodybuilders have to present with cap in hand and even bow down to THEIR athlete rep! What a travesty bodybuilding has become because of the IFBB.
Some of these "hapless bodybuilders" as you call them, are making well into the 6 figures...many others are making a nice living being a pro BB...few (if any) outside of the IFBB can claim this.
No one bows down to me..I'm working on improving the state of present day Pro BB, and have made much progress in a short time.....
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They have sheriffs in Australia but they act on behalf of the courts and seize property, etc. Sort of what you do for the IFBB! Well, you don't seize anything but you are the official unpaid IFBB bouncer and enforcer. Congratulations. They have the perfect
stooge guy for the job.
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Well, Bob, ask Manion to appoint you official IFBB sheriff! You have earned it.
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They have sheriffs in Australia but they act on behalf of the courts and seize property, etc. Sort of what you do for the IFBB! Well, you don't seize anything but you are the official unpaid IFBB bouncer and enforcer. Congratulations. They have the perfect stooge guy for the job.
What I seize...Is opportunity.
The opportunity to have a voice, make more money, create more opportunities, change rules, etc....
Much like you seize the opportunity to make a complete fool of yourself on a regular basis....
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Bob, you are the hapless patsy for the IFBB and are responsible for part of what happens to the athletes. Get elected and perhaps you will get some integrity.
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Did you arrest yourself for possession of steroids?
LOL
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Why would it have any bearing on their decision if he currently is not a member. Are you telling us the IFBB controls current and former members livelyhood whether they are members or not. Oh you say no, then why do they make idle threats like this.
They will take all things into considerion..they don't HAVE to let him back in at all.
What he does when he is not a member of the IFBB has NO concern or bearing on how Lee is treated. If he had to requalify for it then the IFBB 100% has to let him or they would be in some deep shit legally. I wish Lee would follow through with the lawsuit he was talking about cause the way the IFBB publically is preventing Lee from making a living is illegal.
You dont know what you're talking about (again)....Lee is making a living, he has made money competing, with endorsements, and with seminars...all without he IFBB...If anything...he has made a case FOR the IFBB. Again you are clouded in the head. Yes he is making a living but he lost substantial amount of sponsorship money because of the IFBB threatening his sponsor. THAT IS A FACT ad no matter how much you try to tell anything different everyone knows you are lying.
No...he has lost substancial sponsorship because those are some of the perks that come with being in the IFBB....sponsors want a guy in the IFBB because the exposure and ROI is much greator han if he was in a lesser known organization. There are several hundred IFBB members, if having perks like sponsors are part of being with the IFBB how come only a few have them. Lee has sponsors because he is popular and he has character and he is an inspiration to shorter people. Now all of a sudden he loses his biggest sponsor because he is no longer in the IFBB. If you truly think this is just a coinendence then you are truly dumber than anyone. He stills recieves as much publicity now as he did before. He guest poses, still in mags ad talked bout on the internet as much as any BB.
If you don't see this then you really don't belong representing anyone but yourself, cause all you do is hurt the futures of the guys you are suppose to be representing. Really, you need to start thinking before you type, cause you continuesly make yourself look bad.
I write the truth..you write whatever Wayne tells you. Wrong again. I haven't talked to Wayne in well over a month and the last time we barely talked for 5 minutes. I am my own man. You on the other hand take orders from assholes and do exactly what you are told no matter what. You really need to sit back and see that you are wrong so many times but are afraid to admit it. You can easily tell by the amount of people on here who agree with you. You are maybe one of less than 20 people in the world who loves the IFBB so much you will lie and do anything to make it sound like they are best ad greatest thing ever. But in reality they use their members and don't give a shit about them. And you support that so that makes you just as bad. good job Bob.
They are interfering with him trying to make a living like he is accustom too.
This isn't a divorce action...no one is interfering with anything, and no one is saying he cannot compete elsewhere... Honestly how dumb are you CHic. At times I think you just put shit like this down to make it look like you're stupid. I hope this is the case, cause if not then it is a sorry case for bodybuilding. Yes or no the IFBB suspended Lee for competing in the PDI. If not then why did Lee get suspended.
Yes, thats why he was suspended....no one at this time is telling him he cant compete where ever he wishes. let alone the IFBB....as a member, you cannot. It's not that tough to figure out, Keith..... So you are saying it is okay for Lee to compete and the IFBB will not care and they will reinstate him without takig into account he competed in the PDI. You are saying that right now correct. Since Lee is no longer a member of the IFBB he can do what he wants and when he decides to apply again in the IFBB they will let him do it without prejudice.
God you are like trying to talk to Goodrum and sometimes worse. Do you really like being compared to him.
It's funny how you say"I can only stress that whatever his actions are may reflect on their willingness to allow him back". That is hilarious. What a joke company you are controlled by. You come on a public forum and say things like this only proves their ignorance. Come on Lee get that law suit going, watch the IFBB cave-in at your knees.
Please....
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No...he has lost substancial sponsorship because those are some of the perks that come with being in the IFBB....sponsors want a guy in the IFBB because the exposure and ROI is much greator han if he was in a lesser known organization.
There are several hundred IFBB members, if having perks like sponsors are part of being with the IFBB how come only a few have them.
Because the supp companies want the best of the best, and the highest profile athletes...look how many have contracts outside the IFBB..
Lee has sponsors because he is popular and he has character and he is an inspiration to shorter people. Now all of a sudden he loses his biggest sponsor because he is no longer in the IFBB. If you truly think this is just a coinendence then you are truly dumber than anyone. He stills recieves as much publicity now as he did before. He guest poses, still in mags ad talked bout on the internet as much as any BB.
No, It's no coincidence...they wanted a guy in the IFBB they can get the most milage from...doesn't do them much good when he's not in any of our shows, limited mag exposure, few no no guest appearances....and the only shows on the horizon sketchy at best, and European based.
If you don't see this then you really don't belong representing anyone but yourself, cause all you do is hurt the futures of the guys you are suppose to be representing. Really, you need to start thinking before you type, cause you continuesly make yourself look bad.
I write the truth..you write whatever Wayne tells you.
Wrong again. I haven't talked to Wayne in well over a month and the last time we barely talked for 5 minutes. I am my own man. You on the other hand take orders from assholes and do exactly what you are told no matter what. You really need to sit back and see that you are wrong so many times but are afraid to admit it. You can easily tell by the amount of people on here who agree with you.
Yeah...good backing a bunch of other internet jackasses who now as much as you do..lol.
You are maybe one of less than 20 people in the world who loves the IFBB so much you will lie and do anything to make it sound like they are best ad greatest thing ever. But in reality they use their members and don't give a shit about them. And you support that so that makes you just as bad. good job Bob.
If I loved what the IFBB has done so much...why am I the only guy to try and form a union for the athletes? Where was your idol Lee? I'm the only one getting shit done, and changed...and more money in the athletes pockets.
They are interfering with him trying to make a living like he is accustom too.
This isn't a divorce action...no one is interfering with anything, and no one is saying he cannot compete elsewhere... Honestly how dumb are you CHic. At times I think you just put shit like this down to make it look like you're stupid. I hope this is the case, cause if not then it is a sorry case for bodybuilding. Yes or no the IFBB suspended Lee for competing in the PDI. If not then why did Lee get suspended.
Yes, thats why he was suspended....no one at this time is telling him he cant compete where ever he wishes. let alone the IFBB....as a member, you cannot. It's not that tough to figure out, Keith.....
So you are saying it is okay for Lee to compete and the IFBB will not care and they will reinstate him without takig into account he competed in the PDI. You are saying that right now correct. Since Lee is no longer a member of the IFBB he can do what he wants and when he decides to apply again in the IFBB they will let him do it without prejudice.
They will take ALL things into account, including comments he has made in print, If he wishes to continue to compete in the PDI, I'm sure they would take that into acount as well...why wouldn't they? You're right...Lee can do what he wants...and so can the IFBB....they are under no obligation to reinstate him....all I can do is what I've done....requestion consideration in his particular case, and advise Lee of my opinion in the matter...If you want to know what those advices wer, you can ask Lee as I'm not at liberty to discuss his business...
God you are like trying to talk to Goodrum and sometimes worse. Do you really like being compared to him.
It's funny how you say"I can only stress that whatever his actions are may reflect on their willingness to allow him back". That is hilarious. What a joke company you are controlled by. You come on a public forum and say things like this only proves their ignorance. Come on Lee get that law suit going, watch the IFBB cave-in at your knees.
Please....
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a bunch of other internet jackasses
Strangely, when today's generation of bodybuilders burn out, retire, or move on, it's those internet jackasses who will still be around.
They're called fans :)
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Strangely, when today's generation of bodybuilders burn out, retire, or move on, it's those internet jackasses who will still be around.
They're called fans :)
I think we can all agree...there is a difference.
The fans will be around...the jackasses come and go.
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No, It's no coincidence...they wanted a guy in the IFBB they can get the most milage from...doesn't do them much good when he's not in any of our shows, limited mag exposure, few no no guest appearances....
the problem with this line of thinking is that the demographics the supplement companies are aiming for don't go to contests or the expos. How many people attend the 2nd and 3rd tier contests? How many of them are 16-26 year olds?
I don't understand giving out samples at these expos. Most of the crowd are in the industry in one way or another, or are older. Neither of those groups buy very many supplements. How many 16-26 year olds can fly to Vegas or Columbus for a weekend?
But this demographic is on the internet. And so is Lee.
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the problem with this line of thinking is that the demographics the supplement companies are aiming for don't go to contests or the expos. How many people attend the 2nd and 3rd tier contests? How many of them are 16-26 year olds?
I don't understand giving out samples at these expos. Most of the crowd are in the industry in one way or antoher, or are older. Neither of those groups buy very many supplements. How many 16-26 year olds can fly to Vegas or Columbus for a weekend?
But this demographic is on the internet. And so is Lee.
AND WHY NO MAG EXSPOSURE BECASUE THE IFBB THREATENS THE MAGS......ONLY MUSCLE MAG WILL PRINT PDI STUF AND THAT IS A FACT.......I AM STILL LEE PRIEST WITH IFBB OR PDI OR WHOEVER I STILL HAVE FANS.........WHY SPONSOR SHAWN FOR ALL THAT MONEY HE DOSENT COMPETE.....HE GETS NO MAG EXSPOSURE....JUST OLD PICS ETC.....STUPID ARGUMENT HE JUST GOES AROUND CONTEST IN THE CROWD I CAN DO THAT :)
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Kinda off topic, but you seriously need to capitalize on your name...get Rob to finish your store, get a paid member area (membership income is killer)...stuff like that.
You can do all this on the cheap too. Cafepress and PayPal for all your t-shirts, posters, etc. And CCBill for your memberships...I'd be happy to help with advice and info...coding costs tho ;)
wisdom. Lee A Priest is a valued brand. and you dont need to give the IFBB a penny either unless of course it's a condition of you reinstatement. :)
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How the IFBB blackballed Lee Priest is a lesson for all bodybuilders. It wasn't just not being allowed to compete in the IFBB. Next he lost a contract with a magazine. Then sponsorship. I bet he is disillusioned with the whole scene because people he knew let him down.
I don't know Manion but the way the professionals are treated is sad. The guys have to take gear and who knows what else and then they have to kiss butt forever afterwards or lose lucrative contracts.
$$$$$ talks in America and Lee found out the power the IFBB has through its 'associates'. The AMI and sponsors carry a big stick.
Makes me wonder if they really could get Goatboy banned from Getbig!!
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How the IFBB blackballed Lee Priest is a lesson for all bodybuilders. It wasn't just not being allowed to compete in the IFBB. Next he lost a contract with a magazine. Then sponsorship. I bet he is disillusioned with the whole scene because people he knew let him down.
I don't know Manion but the way the professionals are treated is sad. The guys have to take gear and who knows what else and then they have to kiss butt forever afterwards or lose lucrative contracts.
$$$$$ talks in America and Lee found out the power the IFBB has through its 'associates'. The AMI and sponsors carry a big stick.
Makes me wonder if they really could get Goatboy banned from Getbig!!
So whats he lesso.... Stay in the IFBB?
Had he not gone, we wouldn't be having this discussion...the collateral damage was forewarned long before he left....He decided to go anyways. Some people are gamblers, Lee's one of them...unfortunately, it doesn't look like it was a good gamble.
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Makes me wonder if they really could get Goatboy banned from Getbig!!
Nope! :D
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...the collateral damage was forewarned long before he left....
"threatened", you mean.
The RICO laws might well be applicable to some of the practices of the IFBB.
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Nope! :D
You want a fresh one..? ;D
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"threatened", you mean.
The RICO laws might well be applicable to some of the practices of the IFBB.
I made no threats...just warned Lee of what would likely happen, and tried to dissuade him from making a mistake.
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You want a fresh one..? ;D
Don't even start. I didn't even know I had been in time out until someone told me the next day. Obviously it was a brief show for your benefit. 8)
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I made no threats...just warned Lee of what would likely happen, and tried to dissuade him from making a mistake.
Not you, Bob... I'm talking about the IFBB.
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is this RICO? Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations
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is this RICO? Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations
if the IFBB isn't a corrupt organizations then there is no such thing as a corrupt organization
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Lee was screwed plain and simple. Stuff happened after he went to the PDI and that was dirty. Like MD dumping him. Shows us how much this sport is in bed with each other; sponsors, organizations, magazines and athletes.
I doubt Lee would have made the move had he known what was going to happen via lobbying and pressure. Sure sucks but is a good lesson how things work nowadays in sport.
Bring back the old days when guys competed for a title and a trophy. The price is way too high to be a professional today. This sport is a high risk, low return industry. The same is true of gyms.
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What's with guys named Vince on this board? :-\
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Imagine Dan Marino (retired pro athlete with no real wins to brag about) went on a Dolphins messaeg board and threatened to have people banned for bashing his 1995 season.
pathetic.
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Lee is the man. Its bullshit how hes been screwed, and how no one in the IFBB has the balls to stand up for him
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Don't even start. I didn't even know I had been in time out until someone told me the next day. Obviously it was a brief show for your benefit. 8)
hahahahahah Bob had Goatboy put in timeout????????? SHit and I missed it :(
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What's with guys named Vince on this board?/quote]
I agree. Melvin Goodrum has soiled the once noble name, 'Vince'. It turns out that Vince G was a nickname for when he did a week as a pro wrestler who had a stint 'warming up the crowd'. I had a thread imploring Goodrum to abandon the Vince G CSN MFT moniker but it fell on deaf ears. I suppose he had some sense to keep his real name untarnished.