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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: ribonucleic on February 03, 2007, 01:21:17 PM
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edited from "Don’t Support the Troops" by Brandon J. Snider - http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/snider1.html
The US has an all-volunteer army now. These aren’t the days of the draft, where men are ordered to kill-or-be-killed. (Though even in the days of the draft, it was possible to peacefully resist). Still, many arguments abound against criticism of troops:
1) The troops were lied to by the administration - specifically with regards WMDs.
What a revolutionary idea, that politicians lie. Strange that we never believed those lies. Strange that we knew from the second that they escaped Colin L. Powell’s lips. That it was, as Powell himself said, "bullsh!t."
When has the US military ever been used as a defensive force? The US is not in danger of invasion, has never been in danger of invasion, and does not require a standing military. Even with these obvious truths, the US has had a standing military of ever increasing size since before the Cretaceous period.
The US military is, was, and ever shall be, an offensive force - existing at the meddlesome whims of political masters. If GI Joe joined the military thinking he would only be used if the US were attacked, he was suffering from an incurable form of galactic foolishness. Let’s not lionize a fool, especially one with a gun.
2) They’re naïve; they didn’t understand what they were getting into when they signed up.
And yet, again, we do seem to understand. We did not sign up, because we didn’t want to kill or be killed, for the state. What have we been doing right that they have not? Is the information so hidden that they cannot seek out and determine for themselves what they’re getting themselves into?
Certainly there is no substitute for experience, which they certainly lack. But is it not their responsibility, given what they do know about their impending duties, to seek out and inform themselves of what awaits? They are, after all, being asked to take a weapon and kill other human beings. They know that much. That’s not the sort of thing one would do in Sunday school. How much more pathetic and contemptible does it make them that they didn’t properly investigate the situation before they volunteered?
It is also reasonable to assume that many of them do understand and are happy to carry out their orders. The fact that the troops continue to obey orders, and some no doubt enjoy their jobs, clearly reflects their attitudes – and suggests what level of sympathy they deserve.
3) In joining, they’re acting in their financial best interests, like we all do. It’s not their fault, it’s the system.
Some equate the military to being on a public works project. Before you continue with this easy, lazy line of thought, be sure to draw a clear moral demarcation point between building a road and blasting someone’s head off.
4) Troops are victims of military planners.
If so, they share equal responsibility for their victimhood. What do we call someone who’s killed by an invading force? We usually try not to call them anything at all. We usually ignore them and focus on our own casualties. They are, however, clearly victims. The troops who have victimized them share responsibility with the military planners. Troops are not mindless machines, automatons carrying out prearranged instructions as if without free will. At any time, they can lay down their weapons and refuse to kill.
5) War is just one big insane disaster; blaming individual troops for what happens is not fair.
If you and I know that war is an insane kill-fest, then why doesn’t GI Joe know it beforehand? And isn’t it his responsibility to know?
Conclusion
We hold brutal killers like John Wesley Hardin or Charles Manson in the lowest regard, but the difference between these killers and military troops is semantic and symbolic. It’s time to address the issue of the troops with the brutality it richly deserves. It’s time to deconstruct the myth of the glorious military adventure.
It’s long past time we shame people who think about military service. Perhaps then fewer young people will throw their lives away. Shame people into refusing to join and the supply of cannon fodder will atrophy to the point where foreign adventures will not be possible without a draft.
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Interesting. I almost joined last year.
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Actually, no-one was 'lied to' in regards to WMD. The entire western world's intelligence agencies believed Saddam had WMD. A mistake (granted, a large one) is still not a lie.
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Actually, no-one was 'lied to' in regards to WMD. The entire western world's intelligence agencies believed Saddam had WMD.
Really? ::)
<< The Downing Street memo... contains an overview of a secret July 23, 2002 meeting among United Kingdom Labour government, defence and intelligence figures, discussing the build-up to the war—including direct reference to classified United States policy of the time. It clearly states that, "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." >>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downing_street_memo
A mistake (granted, a large one) is still not a lie.
OK, let's humor you for a moment. If a US general committed a mistake that resulted in the needless death of 3,000 American troops [not to mention wasting half a trillion dollars], wouldn't you at least expect him to be relieved of command?
That's really all I'm asking for. For the military commander whose actions resulted in the needless death of 3,000 American troops to be relieved of command.
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Really? ::)
<< The Downing Street memo... contains an overview of a secret July 23, 2002 meeting among United Kingdom Labour government, defence and intelligence figures, discussing the build-up to the war—including direct reference to classified United States policy of the time. It clearly states that, "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." >>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downing_street_memo
OK, let's humor you for a moment. If a US general committed a mistake that resulted in the needless death of 3,000 American troops [not to mention wasting half a trillion dollars], wouldn't you at least expect him to be relieved of command?
That's really all I'm asking for. For the military commander whose actions resulted in the needless death of 3,000 American troops to be relieved of command.
Er, you rely on Wikipedia for your indictment of world leaders? I'm sorry, I know believing Bush used WMD as an excuse for entering Iraq qualifies for one of your conspiratorial wet-dreams, but it just isn't so. Tell me, if he was happy to lie about weapons being in Iraq; why not then actually plant them in Iraq with his billions of dollars worth of resources? Then what would you come up with?
Better yet, my friend, instead of asking about the needless death of the 3,000 brave American troops you mention - why not ask about the thousands of gassed Kurds, dead Kuwaitis and Iranians from Saddam’s regime? Or why not the Israelis and Kuwaitis saved from harm by removing this despot?
You reveal yourself as a pro-retreat coward with your posts.
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Er, you rely on Wikipedia for your indictment of world leaders? I'm sorry, I know believing Bush used WMD as an excuse for entering Iraq qualifies for one of your conspiratorial wet-dreams, but it just isn't so. Tell me, if he was happy to lie about weapons being in Iraq; why not then actually plant them in Iraq with his billions of dollars worth of resources? Then what would you come up with?
Better yet, my friend, instead of asking about the needless death of the 3,000 brave American troops you mention - why not ask about the thousands of gassed Kurds, dead Kuwaitis and Iranians from Saddam’s regime? Or why not the Israelis and Kuwaitis saved from harm by removing this despot?
You reveal yourself as a pro-retreat coward with your posts.
"Coward", huh? Ouch. ::)
You're posting on Getbig from your barracks in Fallujah, I take it? Or is the keyboard your weapon in this war against the Supreme Evil Of All Time?
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You seem to have conveniently forgot (or perhaps are too ignorant to have learned in the first place) that the Kurds were gassed with chemical weapons we sold Saddam Hussein back when he was our pal. See Rumsfeld shaking hands with him?
(http://www.globenet.free-online.co.uk/images/rumsfeld_hussein.jpg)
Seems to me a simpler way of defending the Kurds would have been not to sell Saddam Hussein the chemical weapons he used to kill them. Hmm?
But in the end, we're all about defending innocent people, damn it! [Though there are those strange reports coming out that more people are dying and being tortured now than under Hussein... :-\] So those poor black bastards in Darfur can rest assured that the cavalry will be riding over the hill any time now... as soon as ExxonMobil discovers some exploitable oil reserves.
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"Coward", huh? Ouch. ::)
You're posting on Getbig from your barracks in Fallujah, I take it? Or is the keyboard your weapon in this war against the Supreme Evil Of All Time?
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You seem to have conveniently forgot (or perhaps are too ignorant to have learned in the first place) that the Kurds were gassed with chemical weapons we sold Saddam Hussein back when he was our pal. See Rumsfeld shaking hands with him?
(http://www.globenet.free-online.co.uk/images/rumsfeld_hussein.jpg)
Seems to me a simpler way of defending the Kurds would have been not to sell Saddam Hussein the chemical weapons he used to kill them. Hmm?
But in the end, we're all about defending innocent people, damn it! [Though there are those strange reports coming out that more people are dying and being tortured now than under Hussein... :-\] So those poor black bastards in Darfur can rest assured that the cavalry will be riding over the hill any time now... as soon as ExxonMobil discovers some exploitable oil reserves.
Oh, the US sold those weapons to Saddam did they? Well, actually no, let's try and do a little research next time. For anyone reading this that is concerned, as I'm sure this fellow won't, please read this excellent debunking of the Iraq/US chemical weapons illusion:
http://proteinwisdom.com/index.php?/weblog/entry/22227/ (http://proteinwisdom.com/index.php?/weblog/entry/22227/)
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But in the end, we're all about defending innocent people, damn it! [Though there are those strange reports coming out that more people are dying and being tortured now than under Hussein... :-\] So those poor black bastards in Darfur can rest assured that the cavalry will be riding over the hill any time now... as soon as ExxonMobil discovers some exploitable oil reserves.
hahahah BRUCE has been ravaged once again.
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hahahah BRUCE has been ravaged once again.
You'll, no doubt, read my above posted link and agree, in fact, that the US was one of Iraq's staunchest opponents in developing chemical weapons - based on the facts, of course.
Or not.
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That's really all I'm asking for. For the military commander whose actions resulted in the needless death of 3,000 American troops to be relieved of command.
LOL!
Promotions for everyone!
BRUCE, ribo is dismantling you.
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That's really all I'm asking for. For the military commander whose actions resulted in the needless death of 3,000 American troops to be relieved of command.
LOL!
Promotions for everyone!
BRUCE, ribo is dismantling you.
Whoops, another one that didn't read my link. Why is 'Ribo' lying, 240?
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Wow what a bunch of bullshit....RIBO please leave my country.
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Wow what a bunch of bullshit....RIBO please leave my country.
Second!
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Wow what a bunch of bullshit....RIBO please leave my country.
Maybe you oughtta make him... oh, but wait... you can't... 'cause your ass is tied up in Afghanistan. :-*
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he's securing american oil interests. the whole world knows it.
you can WIKI it using the keywords "spreading democracy".
;)
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he's securing american oil interests. the whole world knows it.
He'll be in my thoughts when I gas up my car on the way home from work. :(
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Wow what a bunch of bullshit....RIBO please leave my country.
OH BROTHER! The 'anti-American' and 'You hate America' defense. ::)
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wow
american troops target and kill armed resistors. they follow the established rules on warfare, too much IMO. they make sure they go out of their way to avoid killing bystanders. many soldiers, way before Iraq and way after, spend their time protecting and passing out aid to the poor and oppressed all over the world.
how can you possibly compare that to charles manson, someone who fed his followers LSD and then convinced them he was the messiah, then made them kill innocent people?
you disgust me
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wow
american troops target and kill armed resistors. they follow the established rules on warfare, too much IMO. they make sure they go out of their way to avoid killing bystanders. many soldiers, way before Iraq and way after, spend their time protecting and passing out aid to the poor and oppressed all over the world.
how can you possibly compare that to charles manson, someone who fed his followers LSD and then convinced them he was the messiah, then made them kill innocent people?
you disgust me
You're right, this method of debate is nothing short of repugnant. Such hate for The US can't be taken as serious contribution here.
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His point is that soldiers know they are entering hell, to kill or be killed, for an aggressive agenda of decision makers in DC.
is he wrong, Bruce and cav?
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His point is that soldiers know they are entering hell, to kill or be killed, for an aggressive agenda of decision makers in DC.
is he wrong, Bruce and cav?
He's wrong to use such an example. Why not just say what you have above, 240?
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He's wrong to use such an example. Why not just say what you have above, 240?
People could argue my statement. Pick it apart.
What he does it lay down - in harsh language - proofs for each chunk of my sentence.
It's not politically correct. But every word in his post was accurate. The truth hurts.
it all comes down to the huge divide in labeling the same thing. The US takes aggressive measures in other nations to ensure we maintain our way of life. Is it "spreading democracy and removing bad guys"? Or is it "controlling where oil flows and keeping our puppets in power"?
it's both.
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People could argue my statement. Pick it apart.
What he does it lay down - in harsh language - proofs for each chunk of my sentence.
It's not politically correct. But every word in his post was accurate. The truth hurts.
it all comes down to the huge divide in labeling the same thing. The US takes aggressive measures in other nations to ensure we maintain our way of life. Is it "spreading democracy and removing bad guys"? Or is it "controlling where oil flows and keeping our puppets in power"?
it's both.
He's told us to not support our troops, and stated he wants the coalition to lose. He has also mocked a dead soldier's family. Why do you offer him your friendship here? Do you support what he has said?
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Obviously I don't mock dead soldier's famalies. Hell, 90% of my rants here are because I think it's bullshit our men are dying in baghdad when they should be playing cards and watching grids as they guard the pipeline, after pulling out of the cities.
He and I differ in some areas of course. From what i can tell, he's anti-war. I was okay with the war in Afghan (not because of 9/11 but because the taleban ripped us off for the pipeline the US needed).
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Obviously I don't mock dead soldier's famalies. Hell, 90% of my rants here are because I think it's bullshit our men are dying in baghdad when they should be playing cards and watching grids as they guard the pipeline, after pulling out of the cities.
He and I differ in some areas of course. From what i can tell, he's anti-war. I was okay with the war in Afghan (not because of 9/11 but because the taleban ripped us off for the pipeline the US needed).
You should distance yourself from him, you're better than some of the comments he has made. Don't become guilty by association.
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Don't become guilty by association.
I'm curious, BRUCE... Is this unrelenting imperiousness of yours just part of your Getbig persona? Or are you this way in real life too?
I picture some cashier giving you a nickel too little in change and you thundering "I have exposed you in a deliberate act of shortchanging a customer! You are a disgrace to your profession! Are you prepared to apologize for attempting to take advantage of me?"
Because, seriously, if you act this way in real life, sooner or later someone is going to radically contradict your sense of self-importance.
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I'm curious, BRUCE... Is this unrelenting imperiousness of yours just part of your Getbig persona? Or are you this way in real life too?
I picture some cashier giving you a nickel too little in change and you thundering "I have exposed you in a deliberate act of shortchanging a customer! You are a disgrace to your profession! Are you prepared to apologize for attempting to take advantage of me?"
Because, seriously, if you act this way in real life, sooner or later someone is going to radically contradict your sense of self-importance.
Er, okay, 'hard man'. Way to imagine a story and then conclude it with my (again imagined) comeuppance. Am I to assume you are this much of a weasel in real life, too?
First Australian soldier killed in Iraq, eh?
Is his family upset that the Australian government sent him to his death in order to secure American access to Iraqi oil reserves?
Do you sneer over such brave deceased in real life too?
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Do you sneer over such brave deceased in real life too?
Brave, perhaps. Betrayed by his (your) government, absolutely.
If you choose to consider my pointing this out as "sneering", you go right ahead.
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Brave, perhaps. Betrayed by his (your) government, absolutely.
If you choose to consider my pointing this out as "sneering", you go right ahead.
I do, and the board will judge you accordingly. How dare you find comfort in this familiy's pain, you're a sad little man indeed.
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240...u debate the war...i think ur nuts but ur not an asshole. THis guy is an asshole. Listen to Bruce..distance urself..don't defend this guy. Hey Bruce...Aussie SOF is kicking ass here. We worked with them and the kiwi's a few time..they rock.
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I do, and the board will judge you accordingly.
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240...u debate the war...i think ur nuts but ur not an asshole. THis guy is an asshole. Listen to Bruce..distance urself..don't defend this guy. Hey Bruce...Aussie SOF is kicking ass here. We worked with them and the kiwi's a few time..they rock.
That's awesome HH, thanks so much for your post. I think together we've actually woken up most of this board to Australia's involvement with our friends in the US, and the Aussies dedication to improving the situation in Iraq. You are absolutely right to urge 240 to not be purveyed as a friend of Ribonucleic - he is not worth having as an ally.
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Okay, anything constructive to add now, or have we just confirmed you have nothing positive to bring to this board? You’ve harmed yourself badly here.
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Rib, couple of questions:
- are you an American citizen?
- In 1-3 sentences can you explain why you don't support the troops if that is the case or if it is not why the topic?
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I have relatives there as well so I gotta defend her. They are doing a great job here. Not alot of regular troops but plenty of Aussie SAS. I'm an All Blacks fan so don't hold it against me.
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I have relatives there as well so I gotta defend her. They are doing a great job here. Not alot of regular troops but plenty of Aussie SAS. I'm an All Blacks fan so don't hold it against me.
Don't worry, I won't - not a huge union fan myself! I'm sure we'd all like to hear more about the troops if you're willing to share, Headhunter. It's great to hear the Aussies are making their presence felt.
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:)
The Univ. of Hawaii football now does the haka before every game (and after every win). Love it.
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Rib, couple of questions:
- are you an American citizen?
- In 1-3 sentences can you explain why you don't support the troops if that is the case or if it is not why the topic?
I am a native-born American - if that helps. ::)
When a military force launches an unprovoked attack on a country that poses no threat to them and kills, at a bare minimum, 50,000 civilians, that is what is known as a "war crime" - even when the soldiers are brave and patriotic, even when they wear American uniforms. Regardless of any good intentions they had when they volunteered, regardless of how they have been misused by their commanders, every action they take to continue the hostile occupation of someone else's country is a furtherance of that war crime. I do not support war crimes or the people who abet them.
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I am a native-born American. White too, if that helps. ::)
When a military force launches an unprovoked attack on a country that poses no threat to them and kills, at a bare minimum, 50,000 civilians, that is what is known as a "war crime" - even when the soldiers are brave and patriotic, even when they wear American uniforms. Regardless of any good intentions they had when they volunteered, regardless of how they have been misused by their commanders, every action they take to continue the hostile occupation of what we're encouraged to forget is someone else's country is a furtherance of that war crime. I do not support war crimes or the people who abet them.
You don't understand what a war crime is.
Perhaps you should note that the lion's share of those dead civilians you number are, in fact, the result of terror attacks in Iraq. Where is your outrage against these folks? Where is your 'I Hope The Terrorists Lose' thread?
No, you'd rather point the finger at your own nation, and admit you want your own soldiers to die. You are as low as they come, unfortunately.
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the lion's share of those dead civilians you number are, in fact, the result of terror attacks in Iraq.
Does the question then become, did we create the situation in which terror attack can occur there?
There weren't terror attacks in Iraq before 2002. now there are dozens/hundreds a day.
Perhaps a short transition time is okay.. but haven't these attacks gone on for 3-4 years now? Dayum. Which military planner can't secure one city in 4 years with 40,000 men and unlimited money?
Oddest of all - every general Bush puts in refuses to give a timeline for clearing the city of bad guys. I guess you can't lose the race if you never have a finish line :(
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I am a native-born American. White too, if that helps. ::)
When a military force launches an unprovoked attack on a country that poses no threat to them and kills, at a bare minimum, 50,000 civilians, that is what is known as a "war crime" - even when the soldiers are brave and patriotic, even when they wear American uniforms. Regardless of any good intentions they had when they volunteered, regardless of how they have been misused by their commanders, every action they take to continue the hostile occupation of what we're encouraged to forget is someone else's country is a furtherance of that war crime. I do not support war crimes or the people who abet them.
Thanks Rib.
The war crime should be charged to those who made the decision. The rest of it, 50,000, all the destruction, etc...is what war is. The soldiers are doing their job. They are the ones who are putting their lives on the line..........not by choice, but by belief. It's those young men and women who if ever a real war does occur we will truly owe our freedoms too.
Don't get me wrong Rib, i am very much against the war in iraq. very much. I have been since before it ever started. But this war at the soldier level is about beliefs and they believe they are protecting our country. In no way should we not support them. But we can still be against what is going on there.
Have you ever been in combat Rib?
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Does the question then become, did we create the situation in which terror attack can occur there?
There weren't terror attacks in Iraq before 2002. now there are dozens/hundreds a day.
Perhaps a short transition time is okay.. but haven't these attacks gone on for 3-4 years now? Dayum. Which military planner can't secure one city in 4 years with 40,000 men and unlimited money?
Oddest of all - every general Bush puts in refuses to give a timeline for clearing the city of bad guys. I guess you can't lose the race if you never have a finish line :(
Do you consider Saddam using chemical weapons (WMD) on his own citizens state-funded terror? If so, you will apologise for your statement above, and concede terror was frequent in Iraq before our involvement.
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Thanks Rib.
The war crime should be charged to those who made the decision. The rest of it, 50,000, all the destruction, etc...is what war is. The soldiers are doing their job. They are the ones who are putting their lives on the line..........not by choice, but by belief. It's those young men and women who if ever a real war does occur we will truly owe our freedoms too.
Don't get me wrong Rib, i am very much against the war in iraq. very much. I have been since before it ever started. But this war at the soldier level is about beliefs and they believe they are protecting our country. In no way should we not support them. But we can still be against what is going on there.
Have you ever been in combat Rib?
Not even in a fist fight.
I agree that it is Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice/Wolfowitz who deserve to be sentenced as war criminals. And I am willing to believe that the majority of US servicemen have good intentions.
However, this does not absolve them of their personal moral responsibility. Camus said that in a world of victims and executioners, it is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners. And every civilian they kill, even inadvertently, in the service of a blatantly criminal enterprise puts them on the side of the executioners.
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Do you consider Saddam using chemical weapons (WMD) on his own citizens state-funded terror? If so, you will apologise for your statement above, and concede terror was frequent in Iraq before our involvement.
No. Saddam was a dictator. he ran a dictatorship. He eliminated people in his nation he saw as threats to his govt. Every nation does this. Statistically, people were much less likely to be killed for walking to work during the saddam regime, than now. I am sure you are not arguing this, right?
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"We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."
George Orwell
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"We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."
George Orwell
Imaginary WMDs can't harm you.
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No. Saddam was a dictator. he ran a dictatorship. He eliminated people in his nation he saw as threats to his govt. Every nation does this. Statistically, people were much less likely to be killed for walking to work during the saddam regime, than now. I am sure you are not arguing this, right?
Thats not true, or else there would only be one party in any democracy including the US.
Last I checked there will be another election in the US in 2 years and GWB can't even run again. I don't see any people in the US going to jail for speaking out against their country. In fact many have tenure or are acting in Hollywood.
Some of us still believe in the rule of law.
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Not even in a fist fight.
I agree that it is Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice/Wolfowitz who deserve to be sentenced as war criminals.
It's not likley but if it can be proved that the they knew there were no WMD's then they should be put on trial
Not even in a fist fight.
And I am willing to believe that the majority of US servicemen have good intentions.
I'm a military brat. I know and have known many military people in my lives, they are hard working proffesional, dedicated, famliy oriented etc.... Of course there are bad apples, 99% mean well and have good intentions. I don't if you have the same access as i have had over theyears but you should find out for your self.
However, this does not absolve them of their personal moral responsibility.
If we are talking about killing civilians or random torture i agree.
Camus said that in a world of victims and executioners, it is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners. And every civilian they kill, even inadvertently, in the service of a blatantly criminal enterprise puts them on the side of the executioners.
It's all good what Camus said, however, just not within an army, it should apply only to the population of a country( the the great thing about our country: we can do this). However, to allow such in an army would make it battle ineffective.
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No. Saddam was a dictator. he ran a dictatorship. He eliminated people in his nation he saw as threats to his govt. Every nation does this. Statistically, people were much less likely to be killed for walking to work during the saddam regime, than now. I am sure you are not arguing this, right?
Every nation uses WMD to destroy the lives of thousands of its own people? Can you show me another nation that has gassed entire villages of its own citizens? You have gone way off track on this one, I'm a bit shocked you've even said this.
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3) In joining, they’re acting in their financial best interests, like we all do. It’s not their fault, it’s the system.
Some equate the military to being on a public works project. Before you continue with this easy, lazy line of thought, be sure to draw a clear moral demarcation point between building a road and blasting someone’s head off.
So, the hundrends of thousands in the US military are just consciousless human beings who have no problem blowing off people's heads. Hell, it's why they signed up, right?? This article is ridiculous.
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Every nation uses WMD to destroy the lives of thousands of its own people? Can you show me another nation that has gassed entire villages of its own citizens? You have gone way off track on this one, I'm a bit shocked you've even said this.
Not gassed but, the same shit:
Cambodia, Germany, Darfur, Bosnia
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Not gassed but, the same shit:
Cambodia, Germany, Darfur, Bosnia
I join with you in condemning such acts, I hate them. But, 240 said 'every nation', do you agree with this? Should he be held accountable here for such inaccuracies?
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I have relatives there as well so I gotta defend her. They are doing a great job here. Not alot of regular troops but plenty of Aussie SAS. I'm an All Blacks fan so don't hold it against me.
HH6 are you coming back or did you get extended.
Either way good luck and God Bless.
Hopefully it gets a little better with a few more boots on the ground.
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I join with you in condemning such acts, I hate them. But, 240 said 'every nation', do you agree with this? Should he be held accountable here for such inaccuracies?
well unless that was just another "persuasive statement" i'm sure he'll back it up with something. I wonder which village Luxenburg gassed? ;D
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well unless that was just another "persuasive statement" i'm sure he'll back it up with something. I wonder which village Luxenburg gassed? ;D
That is why the US government invented bean burritos.
Every nation must smell the gas.
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well unless that was just another "persuasive statement" i'm sure he'll back it up with something. I wonder which village Luxenburg gassed? ;D
Yes, exactly, such paranoia must keep him awake most nights, who knows what those pesky neighbours are up to?
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Every nation uses WMD to destroy the lives of thousands of its own people? Can you show me another nation that has gassed entire villages of its own citizens? You have gone way off track on this one, I'm a bit shocked you've even said this.
If he had eliminated thousands with bullets, it wouldn't be terrorism? but since he used WMD, it is?
I am so confused.
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Yes, exactly, such paranoia must keep him awake most nights, who knows what those pesky neighbours are up to?
you're kinda manic, dude. we're having a nice debate then you start being rude like this.
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If he had eliminated thousands with bullets, it wouldn't be terrorism? but since he used WMD, it is?
I am so confused.
Yes, you are.
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you're kinda manic, dude. we're having a nice debate then you start being rude like this.
Oh your poor ego.
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HH6 are you coming back or did you get extended.
Either way good luck and God Bless.
Hopefully it gets a little better with a few more boots on the ground.
Thanks for asking and NOOOOOOOOOOO. I'm not organic to 10th Mountain. I worked directly for the 3 star in Kabul so I go home in 3 days. If NATO would send us combat troops, these guys from 3rd BDE could go home. Luckily they will recieve the extra 1 grand per month that u may or may not get if extended. On the Nato thing, all the commonwealth counties fight. The Canadians have taken in the ass. I'm not sure why.....rought neighborhood i guess. The Germans won't fight, neither will the French. i wish they would deploy the Legion. The Koreans don't send combat troops. The Poles are here but they are all de-miners and while they do an important job...we need trigger pullers. We shall see.
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Thanks for asking and NOOOOOOOOOOO. I'm not organic to 10th Mountain. I worked directly for the 3 star in Kabul so I go home in 3 days. If NATO would send us combat troops, these guys from 3rd BDE could go home. Luckily they will recieve the extra 1 grand per month that u may or may not get if extended. On the Nato thing, all the commonwealth counties fight. The Canadians have taken in the ass. I'm not sure why.....rought neighborhood i guess. The Germans won't fight, neither will the French. i wish they would deploy the Legion. The Koreans don't send combat troops. The Poles are here but they are all de-miners and while they do an important job...we need trigger pullers. We shall see.
Three days? You're so short you could play Mini Me in the next Austin Powers movie. :)
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Three days? Your so short you could play Mini Me in the next Austin Powers movie. :)
nice..
you are so short you can parachute off a dime....
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I would but I'm a tanker and there is noway I'm jumping off anything but the front slope. 2 and a wake up baby.
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Right on.
Have a beer on me when you get home safe.