Could Jay Cutler have beat Dorian Yates?

[DIVISION]

Am I the only one who has never been impressed with Yates?

I was impressed more by Dorian's iron will reflected by pushing his body past it's threshold, by the torn biceps, triceps and willingness and drive to compete in the Olympias at less than 100%.

His physique was obviously lacking in those years, and he probably should not have won, but people respect a pro who's drive is non-stop.



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[Hulkster]

Am I the only one who has never been impressed with Yates?

join the club!!

[pumpster]

I was always impressed most by Weider's willingness to keep this guy at the top. That was the best.

[Hulkster]

I was always impressed most by Weider's willingness to keep this guy at the top. That was the best.

true, I still believe that the 1994 Mr. O. was the worst case of judging since the 1980 show - at least in 2001 and 2000, Ronnie still had a decent back to fall back on. In 1994, even Dorian's back was soft ( at least compared to Shawn Ray's). Not to mention the huge gut, missing and torn bicep etc etc.

[tony b]

small traps

[Hulkster]

see, the stupid thing is that if Ronnie's traps were any larger, no doubt ND would be going on about how his traps are too big, just like he goes on about his ass.

[NarcissisticDeity]

true, I still believe that the 1994 Mr. O. was the worst case of judging since the 1980 show - at least in 2001 and 2000, Ronnie still had a decent back to fall back on. In 1994, even Dorian's back was soft ( at least compared to Shawn Ray's). Not to mention the huge gut, missing and torn bicep etc etc.

Stop being melodramatic his back was soft in 94? look at these pics from 94 of his back I think you feel off your rocker !

[tony b]

doesnt look as good as ray from those pictures

[delta9mda]

the last pic in black and white that has the page number on it is from the 1995 olympia.
i was there, yates was untouchable just as ronnie is today.

[delta9mda]

Stop being melodramatic his back was soft in 94? look at these pics from 94 of his back I think you feel off your rocker !

as someone else here likes to say.......WHOOOOOOOSSSHH HHHH

[pumpster]

Yates was probably close to unbeatable at a few Olympias-his advantage in density doesn't come across fully in pics. Some of the rest of the wins are as questionable as Haney's.

[Hulkster]

doesnt look as good as ray from those pictures

exactly. ND acts like Dorian has the greatest back double bi ever, but in actuality, it wasn't nearly as good as his lat spreads and lower back shots.  this is why Ronnie's back is better overall: he has a much better rear double bi shot. Anyone with good eyes will agree with this statement:


Dorian who?

[Royalty]

The the end of the day, Jay is bigger than Dorian and has better shape.

[NarcissisticDeity]

exactly. ND acts like Dorian has the greatest back double bi ever, but in actuality, it wasn't nearly as good as his lat spreads and lower back shots.  this is why Ronnie's back is better overall: he has a much better rear double bi shot. Anyone with good eyes will agree with this statement:


Dorian who?

Dorian who? Dorian Yates you know the guy who beat Coleman 5 times 

This back shot is much better than Colemans , because of the much better balance , the much better muscle proportion , much better calves , smaller glutes and he has the same detail & width 

[mesmorph78]

Am I the only one who has never been impressed with Yates?

i was never ever impressed with him.. condition aside...
nothing about him is impressive or astthetic to me...
he shouldnt have won not even one single mr olympia in my view...
his lacked good muscle shape... ie round muscles....
@ nd i notice you keep going on about how flawed ronnie is... this and that...
did u watch mr olympia 2004 challenge round...
EVERY SINGLE BODYBUILDER bar (markus rhul) in the top six challenged ronnie on the abs and thigh pose...  challenged ronnie
because they know to challenge him in ANY other pose... pure folly...
and yet u still maintain.. ronnie isnt good...
lol... you are seriously delusional...

[NarcissisticDeity]

You must be retarded to think that Dorian picture is on the same level as the Ronnie one. Take your head out of Dorians ass.

Ronnie is alot wider in that picture, his waste is alot smaller, his hams are much more shredded, as are his arms, and Ronnie has much more detail.

You're right Yates far surpasses Coleman on all levels 

[Royalty]

In that Pic, Dorian looks to have thicker Delts, Traps, lower back, and calves.

Coleman has better upper arms, Lats, hams, and over all detail and taper.

Its a good comparison pic though.

[NarcissisticDeity]

In that Pic, Dorian looks to have thicker Delts, Traps, lower back, and calves.

Coleman has better upper arms, Lats, hams, and over all detail.

Its a good comparison pic though.

Coleman isn't doing the pose correctly thats why his lats appears better , because he is leaning back and Yates is standing straight up , look at this pic and tell me Yates doesn't have better lats .

[haider]

to respectfully disagree with u, dorians back double bi looks pretty damn blocky in that picture. Ronnie's back has much mroe flow in comparison. dorian ahs him beat on calves, but ronnie has better hamstrings. Ronnies biceps also peak more

[Hulkster]

look at this pic and tell me Yates doesn't have better lats .

I would be willing to bet that they were pretty equal in lat width, but Ronnie's smaller waist makes his lats look more impressive.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I agree the smaller waist adds to the effect

[pumpster]

No comparison really. Yates never had that kind of size and was always BLOCKY. If i need a piano moved Yates gets the call.

Yates had better density and looked more powerful than Cutler.

[sculpture]

I agree the smaller waist adds to the effect

Hmmmm. yeah great straight on shot. waist appears small since the shot is taking from a angle above his waistline accentuating his upper body width

[delta9mda]

No. There not called horseshoes for nothing. when was the last time you saw a horseshoe shaped like the triceps on yates arms?

since when does a triceps have to be a horseshoe? the shape is what it is. some have more muscle(dorian) and some have more tendon.
some have short peaked bis(franco) and some have football shaped with not much peak bis(levrone, ray).

[suckmymuscle]

I think Jay could beat Dorian. Jay is 5'9 and weighs 275lb on stage. Thats 2 inches shorter than Dorian and 20lbs heavier.

Jay cutler is a better version of Nasser with a MUCH better back. We all know that Nasser gave Dorian a run for his money in 95, 96, and 97.

  You're just dumb. Dorian was 265lbs at the 97 O, during pre-judging, at 2% bodyfat, and ballooned to 274 lbs at the night show, while still being a 2% bodyfat. I have said it over and over again, but the retarded fucks, from this board, don't seem to get it:Dorian's conditioning REMAINS the gold-standard, which all bodybuilders aspire to. When you take into account height and bone girth, the ONLY  bodybuilder who comes CLOSE to Dorian is the 2003 Coleman.

  Jay Cutler...Dorian defeated Ronnie innumerable times during his career, something which Jay Cutler has failed to do even a single time. Doesen't this tell you something about who's the man? I was at the 1996, 1997, 1999 and 2003 Olympias, and also other 300 bodybuilding shows, both amateur and professional, besides being a competitor myself, and I have NEVER seen anything that looks like Yates, in contest condition. He was a human physiology chart, etched in granite. This debate is very stupid because taking into account mass-per-square-inch, density, dryness and structural balance, Dorian is undoubtedly the greatest bodybuilder ever. Tom Platz, Lee Haney, Samir Bannout and Lee Labrada also agree.

SUCKMYMUSCLE