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I remember reading an excerpt from Mike Mentzer's Heavy Duty Journal where he talked about gaining 7 or 8 pounds of lean muscle tissue over the course of 3 or 4 weeks while on an ultra-low calorie diet (800-1000 cals daily), so I'm just wondering if any of you fellas have tried an ultra-lo cal diet while "on" and what your results were?
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I remember reading an excerpt from Mike Mentzer's Heavy Duty Journal where he talked about gaining 7 or 8 pounds of lean muscle tissue over the course of 3 or 4 weeks while on an ultra-low calorie diet (800-1000 cals daily), so I'm just wondering if any of you fellas have tried an ultra-lo cal diet while "on" and what your results were?
Ya I might have started a thread about it a couple years ago. I know you hear allot about being on hormones and diet not mattering but not for me. I still diet pretty perfect. Well I wanted to get in shape fast and did a no carb/low cal diet which would have otherwise stripped allot of muscle. But I knew the gear would keep my musclemass stable. Got in phenominal shape actually
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Yes, I'm doing it right now. I go from 1200 calories on off days to 1800 calories on workout days. It's pretty hard, but does the job well. I have a refeed once every 5 days or so -- I tend to go high protein/no carb/low fat.
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Yes, I'm doing it right now. I go from 1200 calories on off days to 1800 calories on workout days. It's pretty hard, but does the job well. I have a refeed once every 5 days or so -- I tend to go high protein/no carb/low fat.
Are you gaining on that Swlabr? Or is your goal to cut down.
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It does 'work' to help you maintain more, but you'll feel like dying.
YOU WILL NOT GROW ANY. First grow, then diet.
PS. Mentzer was on everything, not just on one steroid.
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I'm guilty of not always getting enough cals in. I eat three times a day square meals and a few snacks. If I eat to much I tend to gain fat. I just don't have the appetite.
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It does 'work' to help you maintain more, but you'll feel like dying.
YOU WILL NOT GROW ANY. First grow, then diet.
PS. Mentzer was on everything, not just on one steroid.
I wish there was some sort of formula to the amount needed to maintain what you've gained through "bulking". So lets say if you used 2 grams a week while gaining would you still need the same amount to maintain while dieting or how much less could you get away with?
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Are you gaining on that Swlabr? Or is your goal to cut down.
Don't think so, but I've read that you can still gain muscle on a caloric deficit when on trenbolone. I haven't really noticed much, just that I get leaner day by day.
It does 'work' to help you maintain more, but you'll feel like dying.
YOU WILL NOT GROW ANY. First grow, then diet.
PS. Mentzer was on everything, not just on one steroid.
It's very, very hard. Add 45 minutes cardio/day while being low on calories and you're basically tired all the time. I actually cheated every single day for the past three days because I couldn't handle being that depleted. Gained a lot of water, which will be gone once I'm back into it for a few days.
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It's very, very hard. Add 45 minutes cardio/day while being low on calories and you're basically tired all the time. I actually cheated every single day for the past three days because I couldn't handle being that depleted. Gained a lot of water, which will be gone once I'm back into it for a few days.
Bro, on that low amount of cals I wouldn't be doing any cardio at all. If anything that shit will just make you more hungry.
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Bro, on that low amount of cals I wouldn't be doing any cardio at all. If anything that shit will just make you more hungry.
Haha yea cardio on low cals definatly does make you starve but to be honest, when your carb depleted and doing cardo post workout, your shred up soooo much faster.
Im curious why go low calorie though? Nowdays I just add in T3 and keep the cals around 3k. Lets me get a balance of nutrients in but still be in a nasty deficit depending on dose.
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Don't think so, but I've read that you can still gain muscle on a caloric deficit when on trenbolone. I haven't really noticed much, just that I get leaner day by day.
It's very, very hard. Add 45 minutes cardio/day while being low on calories and you're basically tired all the time. I actually cheated every single day for the past three days because I couldn't handle being that depleted. Gained a lot of water, which will be gone once I'm back into it for a few days.
Ya the water is just rebound and you piss it out quickly once your back on the diet. How much protein you taking in Swaly? I was actually still getting stronger even will the restricted calories my protein was high though
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Ya the water is just rebound and you piss it out quickly once your back on the diet. How much protein you taking in Swaly? I was actually still getting stronger even will the restricted calories my protein was high though
Probably around 220 grams/day.
Yeah, I get stronger each workout. It's the trenbolone. ;D
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I cannot grow in a caloric deficit, even on drugs that are supposedly capable of this.
I have a raging fast metabolism and fight for every pound I gain.
I once did a cycle of primo @ 500mg per week, test @ 250, and D-bol @ 50mg per day.
I starved myself, basically skipped breakfast and lunch, kind of like the warrior diet.
I would have aminos in the daytime, and try to hold on as long as I could without eating.
By the time I was really starving, it was 5-6pm, and I would eat a very nutrient dense
and filling meal. Even though I hadn't eaten all day, I couldn't fit that much food in my stomach.
So even if I had some cookies and ice cream after that last big meal, my total cals were nothing.
I'm guessing maybe 1500-2000 cals (extremely low for me). I honestly need about 4500 cals to gain any weight at all.
I had never been so lean and vascular. I was doing a little cardio here and there, maybe 30-45 minutes 2-3x per week.
If I competed, I think I could have been show ready with 2 more weeks of eating like that.
For me, that diet is much easier than the contest diets I see guys talking about.
It is easy for me to not eat most of the day, I easily get focused on tasks and if I stay busy, I won't eat.
I get starving the second I slow down and relax. I will pig out like I mentioned above, and I am full for the rest of the night
until bed. It works for me because I don't have to sacrifice any food. If I want pizza, I make that the pigout meal.
Stims in the morning really help too.
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I cannot grow in a caloric deficit, even on drugs that are supposedly capable of this.
I have a raging fast metabolism and fight for every pound I gain.
I once did a cycle of primo @ 500mg per week, test @ 250, and D-bol @ 50mg per day.
I starved myself, basically skipped breakfast and lunch, kind of like the warrior diet.
I would have aminos in the daytime, and try to hold on as long as I could without eating.
By the time I was really starving, it was 5-6pm, and I would eat a very nutrient dense
and filling meal. Even though I hadn't eaten all day, I couldn't fit that much food in my stomach.
So even if I had some cookies and ice cream after that last big meal, my total cals were nothing.
I'm guessing maybe 1500-2000 cals (extremely low for me). I honestly need about 4500 cals to gain any weight at all.
I had never been so lean and vascular. I was doing a little cardio here and there, maybe 30-45 minutes 2-3x per week.
If I competed, I think I could have been show ready with 2 more weeks of eating like that.
For me, that diet is much easier than the contest diets I see guys talking about.
It is easy for me to not eat most of the day, I easily get focused on tasks and if I stay busy, I won't eat.
I get starving the second I slow down and relax. I will pig out like I mentioned above, and I am full for the rest of the night
until bed. It works for me because I don't have to sacrifice any food. If I want pizza, I make that the pigout meal.
Stims in the morning really help too.
I eat in a very similar way and its def working.
3 eggs, some almonds, coffee and water
two turkey patties, apple and water
ANYTHING I WANT FOR DINNER.
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I TOOK BUSELMOS ADVICE & STARVED MYSELF & JUST KEPT UPPINzg THE DOSE. SO FAR SO GOOD. UP 25LBS, LOST FAT & DRIER.
EAT ABOUT 1200-1400 CAL WITH A CHEAT MEAL ONCE A WEEK.
I LOOK FULLER. WHY?
600MG PRIMO & TREN A. SOON PRIMO GOES TO 900MG.
IM VEINIER & STRONGER. WHY?
TREN, VAR, HALO.
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I'm cruising right now between cycles and taking peptides. I start again in May and have been considering a going keto for a couple of weeks along with some fasting cardio daily to try to cut as much bodyfat before I get back on fully.
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Yes, I'm doing it right now. I go from 1200 calories on off days to 1800 calories on workout days. It's pretty hard, but does the job well. I have a refeed once every 5 days or so -- I tend to go high protein/no carb/low fat.
What your diet looks like?
I TOOK BUSELMOS ADVICE & STARVED MYSELF & JUST KEPT UPPINzg THE DOSE. SO FAR SO GOOD. UP 25LBS, LOST FAT & DRIER.
EAT ABOUT 1200-1400 CAL WITH A CHEAT MEAL ONCE A WEEK.
I LOOK FULLER. WHY?
600MG PRIMO & TREN A. SOON PRIMO GOES TO 900MG.
IM VEINIER & STRONGER. WHY?
TREN, VAR, HALO.
Same question to you, what your diet looks like?
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I'll try starve myself some day. ;D
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What your diet looks like?
Same question to you, what your diet looks like?
250 PRO
20 FAT
0-25 CARB
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250 PRO
20 FAT
0-25 CARB
youve gained 25lbs only eating this??. crazy bro. impressed.
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What your diet looks like?
Same question to you, what your diet looks like?
Basically same as nosleep, but I carb up twice a week with 250 grams carbs. Wednesdays and Saturdays I do this (off days) and Sunday I go 0 carb. The other days I have 25 grams PWO.
Low fat, high protein, carbs cycled basically.
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I must have a shit response to hormones. I wouldn't gain one lb. on tren eating like that.
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youve gained 25lbs only eating this??. crazy bro. impressed.
IN ALL FAIRNESS I WAS CRUISING ON 250 TEST, 2IU NOVO & DIDN'T LIFT BEFORE. CAUSE OF INJURY. NOW IM ON 2.5G OF THE FINEST GEAR.
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I'm guilty of not always getting enough cals in. I eat three times a day square meals and a few snacks. If I eat to much I tend to gain fat. I just don't have the appetite.
I have zero appetite bro, two meals a day and i don't want to eat anymore.
This really slowed my gains i think lol
Near my genetic limit now and playing with real low doses, surprised at how much more forgiving my body is with a little gear in it.
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Swlabr read PM bro 8)
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STIMULATE UR APPETITE LEARN HOW TO EAT.
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IN ALL FAIRNESS I WAS CRUISING ON 250 TEST, 2IU NOVO & DIDN'T LIFT BEFORE. CAUSE OF INJURY. NOW IM ON 2.5G OF THE FINEST GEAR.
still impressive. what was your bf% before the blast?
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still impressive. what was your bf% before the blast?
8-9. NOW ITS 6.
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Any fat burner besides tren ace and hgh nosleep ? If yes, dosages ?
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I remember reading a log on promuscle. The dude who started it was using tren for his first time in conjunction with a very low calorie diet... he was actually gaining weight (losing fat, gaining muscle).
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8-9. NOW ITS 6.
how long have you been on the 2.5g of gear?? still on the hgh? at what dose? sorry grilling bro. ive done this somewhat in the past( lo cal n grow) but never that low of calories. just wondering how long it took you basically.
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Same as tren is made to do in cattle... keep them from loosing...
i justed tren in the past 200-300 ED with some other roids thrown in the mix... i was only eating 2 sliced bread for breakfeast then maybie a ice cream or two at the beach then regular dinner, what my GF made.. and 2-3 sliced of bread for the night...
I manage to hold 120 kg with a six pack, offcourse a little water and fat on my back and ass, as its there i tend to store my fat... but somedays i was only eating like 1600 kcal... i was getting leaner but didnt loose any weight...
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gonna do this myself soon, the last 8 weeks, up tren from 200 a week parabolan to 350 a week tren a, cut prop to 175 and up t3 to 75 along with 1700ish kcal
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gonna do this myself soon, the last 8 weeks, up tren from 200 a week parabolan to 350 a week tren a, cut prop to 175 and up t3 to 75 along with 1700ish kcal
Careful. Hes not using t3 with these major low cals and hes also on 2.5g of gear. Not saying you arent smart or anything but just warning you not to drop cals too low with your supplement setup.
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Any fat burner besides tren ace and hgh nosleep ? If yes, dosages ?
NO HGH. 1-2 CAPS EPHEDRA/CAFFEINE A DAY. STARTED AT 1G. MOVED UP 300-500MG EVERY 3-4 WKS. BEEN ON 2.5 FOR 10 DAYS. WILL BE ON 2.8 FOR 2-3WKS, THEN 3ISH TO FINISH. PRIMO ACE IS WHAT'S MOVIN UP.
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I TOOK BUSELMOS ADVICE & STARVED MYSELF & JUST KEPT UPPINzg THE DOSE. SO FAR SO GOOD. UP 25LBS, LOST FAT & DRIER.
EAT ABOUT 1200-1400 CAL WITH A CHEAT MEAL ONCE A WEEK.
I LOOK FULLER. WHY?
600MG PRIMO & TREN A. SOON PRIMO GOES TO 900MG.
IM VEINIER & STRONGER. WHY?
TREN, VAR, HALO.
No way you gained 25lbs eating 1200-1400 calories per day. I don't care how much you are on
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I remember reading a log on promuscle. The dude who started it was using tren for his first time in conjunction with a very low calorie diet... he was actually gaining weight (losing fat, gaining muscle).
link?
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No way you gained 25lbs eating 1200-1400 calories per day. I don't care how much you are on
IVE GONE FROM 2400 CAL TO 1200-1400 CAL. & FROM
1G TO 2.5G & ADDED 25LBS. HAVEN'T BEEN AT 1200-1400 THE WHOLE TIME.
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It's so hard to control your cravings on 100 mg tren ED, though, so beware...
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It's so hard to control your cravings on 100 mg tren ED, though, so beware...
^THIS.
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how much do you weigh nosleep? ive gained 15lbs on a 1800-2000 cal per day diet. i was 200lbs. was also on 10iu gh. nice work. n add some gh!!!!
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I`ve gone as low as 8-900 cals,still strong and ripped to the bone.
I would cycles cals a lot but kept them low at times in an effort to reach a certain level of conditioning.
I`m not a big guy at all,so it worked great ion my particular case.
Don`t know how well it would be if I was 250 pounds though.
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IVE GONE FROM 2400 CAL TO 1200-1400 CAL. & FROM
1G TO 2.5G & ADDED 25LBS. HAVEN'T BEEN AT 1200-1400 THE WHOLE TIME.
So you dropped your calories, which were very low to begin with, down to 1200-1400 and simultaneously increased your AAS from 1g-2.5g and added 25lbs? That is incredible and I have no clue how that is possible
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how much do you weigh nosleep? ive gained 15lbs on a 1800-2000 cal per day diet. i was 200lbs. was also on 10iu gh. nice work. n add some gh!!!!
IM 208LBS. I'VE ALSO GREW AN INCH.
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nosleep, how long do you think you can pull this off? At some point I would think your body would have to say no more and the weight will start going down...gear or not.
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nosleep, how long do you think you can pull this off? At some point I would think your body would have to say no more and the weight will start going down...gear or not.
ID BE HAPPY WITH A MONTH MORE, SO 4 WEEKS MORE.
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ID BE HAPPY WITH A MONTH MORE, SO 4 WEEKS MORE.
Well, I'm not exactly sure how this is even possible...not to the extent of what you're saying just because gear is so dependent on the nutrients we consume. It must have something to do with this large dosing working directly with your fat stores. Still, there has to be more to it than that. Either way, if it's working it's working and I guess that's all that matters. Still, that doesn't change or get rid of my curiosity.
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1kg muscle ialt more than 600kcal then its såret, so if he had 3-4kg extra fat at the start it should be possible to build that amout of muscle on tren, but i think you will start loosing and its inpossible to build muscle once under 6% bf...
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Lowest I've gone is 1800 cals. Didn't really get any growth out of it and dropped weight while on tren, etc.
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So you dropped your calories, which were very low to begin with, down to 1200-1400 and simultaneously increased your AAS from 1g-2.5g and added 25lbs? That is incredible and I have no clue how that is possible
Was probably very far from his real potential, this ain't happening with anybody who's advanced.
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im doing ultra low carbs, also dit i last year. Now im doing it to get sesitive for carbs again. This is my diet:
1: 5 Eggs (1yellow)
2: 50gr protein shake and 200gr Chicken
3: 100gr nuts and 200gr chicken
4: 50gr protein shake
5: beef with salad
6 (pre-workout): liquid amino
7 (post-workout): 25gr protein
Thats all i eat for 1 week, you'll have no power in the gym but you get ripped and get your receptor clean and sesitive
terrible diet, unnecessary suffering you're doing to yourself, the lack of fatty acids is gonna destroy your body.
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Is it even possible to shut/slow down your metabolism by eating to little while on hormones
to be more specific tren, test t3...
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Is it even possible to shut/slow down your metabolism by eating to little while on hormones
to be more specific tren, test t3...
Well yes, because taking t3 will shut down your thyroid in time thus shutting down your metabolism. However, its replacing your thyroid so to speak thus replacing your metabolism with a better one.
Thats why most guys who prefer not to use t3 at all and are scared of it will still throw it in to the last 4-6 weeks of contest prep, to keep the weight coming off after their own metabolisms have slowed.
Someone feel free to correct me if im wrong.
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Well yes, because taking t3 will shut down your thyroid in time thus shutting down your metabolism. However, its replacing your thyroid so to speak thus replacing your metabolism with a better one.
Thats why most guys who prefer not to use t3 at all and are scared of it will still throw it in to the last 4-6 weeks of contest prep, to keep the weight coming off after their own metabolisms have slowed.
Someone feel free to correct me if im wrong.
You're worrying for nothing and not reaping the great effects of what T3 can do for you! As I stated earlier, 9 month of straight use, had a recovery of 3-4 weeks of the thyroid.
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I RATHER GORGE ON A CHEAT MEAL TO KEEP MY METABOLISM GOING.
UPPIN PRIMO ACE TO 900 NEXT WEEK.
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You're worrying for nothing and not reaping the great effects of what T3 can do for you! As I stated earlier, 9 month of straight use, had a recovery of 3-4 weeks of the thyroid.
You misunderstood ritch, im not worried about t3 at all. I run it off and on, sometimes for long durations.
I merely meant SOME people who do indeed worry will at the bare minimum run it the last 4-6 weeks of contest prep and they do this simply because their thyroids have slowed down from cutting to the point they arent losing at the rate they need to.
Merely used this as an example to deliver my point in the above post.
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dave palumbo diet, worked well for me last year, when on steroids you dont lose muscle only fat
for health purposes I would get some fish oil, coconut oil, and/or extra virgin olive oil in that diet.
Even though they will add cals, they will probably help you burn more fat.
The body needs essential fats.... they do a body good.
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dave palumbo diet, worked well for me last year, when on steroids you dont lose muscle only fat
what about the Holy Grail of losing fat while gaining muscle?
that's what Mentzer claimed that he did back in the day
i don't see the reason to go ultra low cals if your already sitting at say 6-7% bodyfat, but if your sitting at around 8-12% then it could make sense IMO
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Well yes, because taking t3 will shut down your thyroid in time thus shutting down your metabolism. However, its replacing your thyroid so to speak thus replacing your metabolism with a better one.
Thats why most guys who prefer not to use t3 at all and are scared of it will still throw it in to the last 4-6 weeks of contest prep, to keep the weight coming off after their own metabolisms have slowed.
Someone feel free to correct me if im wrong.
You misunderstood me
i meant to ask if you are using t3, tren, test while eating too little, would your metabolism slow down because of the low cal diet although you are using drugs that boost and control your metabolism?
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You misunderstood me
i meant to ask if you are using t3, tren, test while eating too little, would your metabolism slow down because of the low cal diet although you are using drugs that boost and control your metabolism?
Naw I got you, answer is no. Perhaps I chose a bad example to explain it. Well the answer is yes but it doesnt matter if your metabolism will slow down because the drugs are replacing it. So if you are using drugs that boost and control your metabolism, its not a drug induced metabolism and it will not slow down.
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You misunderstood ritch, im not worried about t3 at all. I run it off and on, sometimes for long durations.
I merely meant SOME people who do indeed worry will at the bare minimum run it the last 4-6 weeks of contest prep and they do this simply because their thyroids have slowed down from cutting to the point they arent losing at the rate they need to.
Merely used this as an example to deliver my point in the above post.
ok, makes sense!
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what about the Holy Grail of losing fat while gaining muscle?
that's what Mentzer claimed that he did back in the day
i don't see the reason to go ultra low cals if your already sitting at say 6-7% bodyfat, but if your sitting at around 8-12% then it could make sense IMO
Nah, why go so low in cals? That's chick requirements, I'd leave that as a last resource. You can easily keep losing weight with a cal reduction of slowly going down to 1500 cals cut from the start. Most I'm guessing here, start at 4k, cals. Can't see most needed to go lower than 2500 cals, the rare case, 2000. Especially since most here are on Tren and company!
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dave palumbo diet, worked well for me last year, when on steroids you dont lose muscle only fat
ok, but that's the last phase of the diet you posted, the part where you cut out most efa's. I wouldn't make it through that shit, lol...
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for health purposes I would get some fish oil, coconut oil, and/or extra virgin olive oil in that diet.
Even though they will add cals, they will probably help you burn more fat.
The body needs essential fats.... they do a body good.
If he was following the Palumbo diet he should have had butt loads of fish oil in there...otherwise, he wasn't following that diet.
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The only drug that ever worked for me when I was eating less than I was burning was Primo, and it lessens the effects. Primo and Tren are the only 2 I would even try it on, otherwise just take some hydroxycut and some t3 or something. AAS is for getting big son!
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The only drug that ever worked for me when I was eating less than I was burning was Primo, and it lessens the effects. Primo and Tren are the only 2 I would even try it on, otherwise just take some hydroxycut and some t3 or something. AAS is for getting big son!
THAT'S WHY IM USIN DANTAS AMINO ACIDS. DRUGS R FOR CHEATERS.
NO BUT REALLY....1.5G OF THAT COMBO( tren & primo a) IS THE FOUNDATION OF MY PLAN.
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diet, in the traditional sense with regards to bodybuilding, will be the cause of your demise. your limbs will look thin, your torso will look like a fridge, and you'll feel like absolute shit... but "it's part of the process! wait til you get there! you'll look great!"... bull-fucking-shit
i'm so pissed that it took me more than 10 years to figure this out...
1000-2000 cals is all you need to keep all your muscle and burn off a ton of fat til you reach 6%... if you stall, stop being a pussy by doing your "super duper ultra strict form HIT super heavy joint destroying" training, which consists of 1-3 working sets for a muscle group due to being afraid of overtraining... LOL...
if you're weight training for 45 minutes... do 60 minutes by adding more sets. don't kill your joints, leave the heavy training for the fat bozos who are 6' 300 lbs, squatting 600 lbs, proud of their flabby 20 inch arms, but fail to realize that they're at 30% fat and if they didn't have that barbell on their back and just walked down the street they'd look like your regular 7-11 big gulpers.
can you gain muscle off of low cals? depends on your dose (injectible, not oral)... eating 1500 cals and staying at 220 lbs 6% while on 2 grams of gear... up the gear to 3 grams... you won't be able to stay on 1500 cals... the hunger will kill you... that's why you eat 2000 cals... still low, but enough to gain off of.
I went from 84 kg at 15% or so to 88.5 kg at 7% (i think) by eating way below 2000 cals and under 200 grams of protein for 4 months. and no GH... how? long lay off... I was only using something like 1400 mg per week, and a shit ton of T3, clen, and E... still, that was the leanest and heaviest i've competed... and it wasn't my highest dose... because all the other times i've competed were under the "guidance" of other fucking idiots who wanted to make it "magical" by eating 6-8 meals a day, 300-400 grams of protein, and the shittiest tasting food ever...
right now?
750 - 1500 mg test per week (depends if i feel like injecting or not)... i'm 216 lbs at 12%... eating less than 60 grams of protein a day... between 2000-3000 cals of pure junk (I buy a redbull, chocolates, cheese pastries and caramel cupcakes in the morning and eat those from 7 am to 4 pm... at night i just go out with the wife and eat mcdonalds or shit)...
all the newbs in the gym (who are crowding the shit out of the place due to summer coming around the corner) keep asking me if i'm warming up and i say no this is how i train... 135 lb bench, 40 lb barbell curls, 20 lb db lateral raises... basically training like a girl... i wake up the next morning... and unlike the past 10 years, i actually wake up full, pumped, and looking like i just worked out (as opposed to looking as flat as a pancake with stringy limbs and my trainer telling me it's normal tolook like that cuz it's part of the process)... if i wanna get lean, i'd up the cardio, take in more fat burners and keep on increasing... wanna get bigger, up the dose and more food with accordance to my hunger...
seriously... 99% of you are afraid of trying this because it's against what you've learned. but what you learned is justa acrock of shit to sell more supps and pay people to "train" you
naturals? pfff... just stop it... please... it's called bodybuilding... you wanna look like a bodybuilder, take drugs... other than that, it's called looking like a guy who went to the gym a couple of times... just swim, do push ups and pull ups, and eat a meal or two a day and you'll look almost the same as you do now.
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diet, in the traditional sense with regards to bodybuilding, will be the cause of your demise. your limbs will look thin, your torso will look like a fridge, and you'll feel like absolute shit... but "it's part of the process! wait til you get there! you'll look great!"... bull-fucking-shit
i'm so pissed that it took me more than 10 years to figure this out...
1000-2000 cals is all you need to keep all your muscle and burn off a ton of fat til you reach 6%... if you stall, stop being a pussy by doing your "super duper ultra strict form HIT super heavy joint destroying" training, which consists of 1-3 working sets for a muscle group due to being afraid of overtraining... LOL...
if you're weight training for 45 minutes... do 60 minutes by adding more sets. don't kill your joints, leave the heavy training for the fat bozos who are 6' 300 lbs, squatting 600 lbs, proud of their flabby 20 inch arms, but fail to realize that they're at 30% fat and if they didn't have that barbell on their back and just walked down the street they'd look like your regular 7-11 big gulpers.
can you gain muscle off of low cals? depends on your dose (injectible, not oral)... eating 1500 cals and staying at 220 lbs 6% while on 2 grams of gear... up the gear to 3 grams... you won't be able to stay on 1500 cals... the hunger will kill you... that's why you eat 2000 cals... still low, but enough to gain off of.
I went from 84 kg at 15% or so to 88.5 kg at 7% (i think) by eating way below 2000 cals and under 200 grams of protein for 4 months. and no GH... how? long lay off... I was only using something like 1400 mg per week, and a shit ton of T3, clen, and E... still, that was the leanest and heaviest i've competed... and it wasn't my highest dose... because all the other times i've competed were under the "guidance" of other fucking idiots who wanted to make it "magical" by eating 6-8 meals a day, 300-400 grams of protein, and the shittiest tasting food ever...
right now?
750 - 1500 mg test per week (depends if i feel like injecting or not)... i'm 216 lbs at 12%... eating less than 60 grams of protein a day... between 2000-3000 cals of pure junk (I buy a redbull, chocolates, cheese pastries and caramel cupcakes in the morning and eat those from 7 am to 4 pm... at night i just go out with the wife and eat mcdonalds or shit)...
all the newbs in the gym (who are crowding the shit out of the place due to summer coming around the corner) keep asking me if i'm warming up and i say no this is how i train... 135 lb bench, 40 lb barbell curls, 20 lb db lateral raises... basically training like a girl... i wake up the next morning... and unlike the past 10 years, i actually wake up full, pumped, and looking like i just worked out (as opposed to looking as flat as a pancake with stringy limbs and my trainer telling me it's normal tolook like that cuz it's part of the process)... if i wanna get lean, i'd up the cardio, take in more fat burners and keep on increasing... wanna get bigger, up the dose and more food with accordance to my hunger...
seriously... 99% of you are afraid of trying this because it's against what you've learned. but what you learned is justa acrock of shit to sell more supps and pay people to "train" you
naturals? pfff... just stop it... please... it's called bodybuilding... you wanna look like a bodybuilder, take drugs... other than that, it's called looking like a guy who went to the gym a couple of times... just swim, do push ups and pull ups, and eat a meal or two a day and you'll look almost the same as you do now.
hey buselmo,
you think that this method would work for just about anyone?
i know you've put your time in so maybe it's easier for you to accomplish a decent physique without suffering,
but what about a guy that hasn't been able to bench 315 yet, etc etc
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hey buselmo,
you think that this method would work for just about anyone?
i know you've put your time in so maybe it's easier for you to accomplish a decent physique without suffering,
but what about a guy that hasn't been able to bench 315 yet, etc etc
my 365 lb decline bench and 495 lb squat are the reasons for my shoulder, neck, and knee problems that wont go away (got better when i laid off the heavy shit, but still bothers the shit outta me)
I would say these methods work for anyone because they already did with people who asked for my help either on this site, or from people who wanted me to train them.
since October, i've been training 5 people, 2 on gear, and 3 naturals... the guys who are on are now interested in competing due to how their look has transformed, and the natural guys are telling me this is the first time they've seen their abs in their (all of them are over 40) and one of them was so happy with the results, he told me that his wife didn't like how women looked at him and started flirting with him when he went back to his country and asked him to quit training! LOL!
back when i lifted heavy in a HIT fashion, i remember that after 30 minutes of finishing 9 sets total for 3 bodyparts, i'd be fatigued more than anything... not exhausted or felt like i put in a lot of effort, but like i just finished reading 50 pages off a text book, if you know what i mean. by training with this intensity, weights really don't matter, as long as 45-60 minutes through my workout, after doing 40-50 sets with less than 30 seconds rest in between, i'm dripping sweat, breathing heavy, but feel like i want to sprint... you know? that's how you know you've turned into a furnace, burned a shit ton of cals, and stimulated the living crap out of your muscles without having aches and pains in your joints and feeling like you want to down a bottle of advil.
as for the food... right now i could "optimize" it better and track what i eat... but i don't feel like it. by optimizing, i'm not talking about fucking boiled, bland chicken breasts and broccoli... i'm talking frosted flakes and an omelet for breakfast, home made burgers for lunch, and maybe some bbq chicken with rice and fries for dinner... BUT, i really don't feel like waking up 30 minutes earlier to cook up breakfast and lunch... so fuck it :p
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i hear ya man
i ate a tombstone pizza the other night, woke up feeling swole. i don't even track shit now, but before i used to use a scale for my foods and use fitday to track my cals LOL
since a while ago i have stopped the whole huge protein mentality, when i did huge protein it was so easy for me to get fat because i was forcing in all the cals and eating huge just because "the internet said so." However, this was the strongest i've ever been but really, the shittiest i have ever felt, and by no means am i a huge guy...
i have trained heavy and light and i always feel like i'm nuts when i go back to light training, i can't tell that i'm losing my muscle but it feels so weird to train light. however, i do understand what you are talking about when it comes to training light, your muscles actually feel pumped and you feel like you got a good burn in the muscle and it was actually "Trained."
i remember the other week i went in and all i did was train arms the way i wanted to train them. i did super light weight with very strict "feel the muscle mind connection" and did super high reps. never did my arms feel so pumped and "trained" and never looked so good
When i train heavy, heavy heavy i don't even tell that my muscle got worked the way i want it to, no pumps or nothing, but i feel absolutely beat after. like after i finish a heavy set on squats i feel like i just want to die after, yet i really don't feel like my quads got a good pump...
however i find it very difficult to ditch the "lift heavy" mentality, so i feel like i'm at a crossroads
when i was a newbie i was really into lifting heavy and being a natural i went up to impressive lifts, at 5'7" 175lbs probably 13% or fatter, but doing 255lbs for reps on bench (i suck at benching), 405 squat, and 455 deadlift, pretty good for a weakling who was 115 lbs and took me a year to bench 135lbs in my teens beforehand LOL
now that i am hormonas user and older i wonder if i can get away with training sissy light and just train for pump and "burn." the biggest dudes at my gym are always using lightweight, except there are some who are 200lbs lean and put up 315 for reps on flat bench so...
i remember bboy saying something like "get strong as fuck and then add in huge amounts of volume and lower the weight to blow the fuck up"
would appreciate your advice bro
btw we are friends on pm before you were banned but this is my incognito handle
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You guys need to listen to buselmo. He helped out a ton by sharing this info with me earlier in my prep. I was training HIT for like two years solid. My fucking elbows are shot, knees are shot, shoulders, you fucking name it, it's SHOT. Well they WERE. I started training like buselmo suggested. Five sets, at least 12 reps each. Yeah I went from benching 350+ to 225. Who fucking cares. I feel great and the extra volume has been burning calories.
Go on the google and look up how Serge Nubret trained, and Vince Gironda. With the hormones we have today, vs what they had then you can look BEASTLY! Nubret was already a beast, and helped us pioneer using tren(parabolan), but with the good UGL shit you can get today it's game over.
Definately check out gironda dips, and the neck press. These two moves along with the volume have drastically changed how my chest looks over the course of a 14 week prep. Actually only about ten because that was about the point I got ahold of buselmo.
Back a little bit more on topic for the OP. Think protein and fat. Yeah you have to suffer some, but for me if I wake up and eat some eggs that shit fills me up till the afternoon almost. If you have to have something in between you can down your BCAA's or whey. In the afternoon get some red meat in you and at night have a green salad with chicken. 2- 3 meals a day is plenty and you can easily be at or under 2k calories. Throw in higher volume training, t3 and anabolics and you are off to the fucking races.
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i hear ya man
i ate a tombstone pizza the other night, woke up feeling swole. i don't even track shit now, but before i used to use a scale for my foods and use fitday to track my cals LOL
since a while ago i have stopped the whole huge protein mentality, when i did huge protein it was so easy for me to get fat because i was forcing in all the cals and eating huge just because "the internet said so." However, this was the strongest i've ever been but really, the shittiest i have ever felt, and by no means am i a huge guy...
i have trained heavy and light and i always feel like i'm nuts when i go back to light training, i can't tell that i'm losing my muscle but it feels so weird to train light. however, i do understand what you are talking about when it comes to training light, your muscles actually feel pumped and you feel like you got a good burn in the muscle and it was actually "Trained."
i remember the other week i went in and all i did was train arms the way i wanted to train them. i did super light weight with very strict "feel the muscle mind connection" and did super high reps. never did my arms feel so pumped and "trained" and never looked so good
When i train heavy, heavy heavy i don't even tell that my muscle got worked the way i want it to, no pumps or nothing, but i feel absolutely beat after. like after i finish a heavy set on squats i feel like i just want to die after, yet i really don't feel like my quads got a good pump...
however i find it very difficult to ditch the "lift heavy" mentality, so i feel like i'm at a crossroads
when i was a newbie i was really into lifting heavy and being a natural i went up to impressive lifts, at 5'7" 175lbs probably 13% or fatter, but doing 255lbs for reps on bench (i suck at benching), 405 squat, and 455 deadlift, pretty good for a weakling who was 115 lbs and took me a year to bench 135lbs in my teens beforehand LOL
now that i am hormonas user and older i wonder if i can get away with training sissy light and just train for pump and "burn." the biggest dudes at my gym are always using lightweight, except there are some who are 200lbs lean and put up 315 for reps on flat bench so...
i remember bboy saying something like "get strong as fuck and then add in huge amounts of volume and lower the weight to blow the fuck up"
would appreciate your advice bro
btw we are friends on pm before you were banned but this is my incognito handle
I truly believe that heavy weights will ruin your look. do squats with 135 lbs, you feel it all in your quads... and to add, you can isolate a certain part of the quad with your mind and just use that part for the movement... now slap on 405 lbs and start squatting... you can't tell what's working! quads, back, hams, traps?... once you let go of the weight, you feel like the tendons around your knees are sore and feel like they have a lot of pressure on them... now tell me, fucking logically, what worked your quad more? the 135 lbs that made your quad burn like shit and made veins pump out of it and you can't even flex it from how much blood is rushing in there? or the 405 lbs that made you say "why aren't my quads responding? and why the hell do my knees hurt?"
lemme guess... when you first started bodybuildings, you started high volume, moderate weight... right? now you kept reading and shit then you heard about this training heavy crap, and not to overtrain, 1 set to failure blah blah blah... you tried it for a week and had your doubts cuz it feels like a pussy workout and nothing is happening... you're probably looking worse... 3 weeks later you get in the groove and it starts working... and you love it! cuz you get to show everyone how big your ego is!... when you go back to volume with light weights, it aint gonna blow you up overnight... it takes 2-3 weeks... after your body gets used to filling the shit out of your muscles with glycogen... you'll start knowing why the old school bodybuilders were always full and "round" and never complained about being "flat"... they probably haven't heard of that word before.
it's all about your ego... leave it at the door... once you've paid your dues and you get big and you still db curls those 20 lb dumbbells with a twisted face acting like you're lifting 800 lbs, ppl are gonna stare and instead of feeding your ego with "FUCK YEAY I JUST DESTROYED 405 LBS ON BENCH!" and people look at you and silently say in their heads "yeah, but you look like absolute shit"... you'll feed your ego with looking at the guy who's benching 315 lbs while you bench 135 lbs and seeing that look on his face that says "fuck, i quit!"
train intense, shoot gear, and fucking be patient... this shit doesn't happen overnight. if i wanted to gain another 10 lbs of muscle by upping my dose by a gram and adding in GH... i'd give myself a year to accomplish that goal... not 12 weeks.
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Thank you my friend!
I think you just saved me a few years of trying to figure this shit out myself.
Everything you said makes a lot of sense
I was wondering the whole time when i was a natural, "hey i'm strong as shit but I still look like shit! what the fuck? Yet that guy over there is curling 20lbs and benches 135 and does a shit load of volume and sweats like a mofo looks like fucking hercules while i'm over here doing deadlifts like a forklift looking like a damn toothpick jackass" LOL. Also I noticed when i was training to get super strong my joints would hurt like a mofo, luckily i'm still young and i can recover from it still
Also, I'm really beginning to believe that for juiced users, the juice and their genetics and food was what got them big and thus allowed them to be strong, not "training for strength which in turn made them big."
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Thank you my friend!
I think you just saved me a few years of trying to figure this shit out myself.
Everything you said makes a lot of sense
I was wondering the whole time when i was a natural, "hey i'm strong as shit but I still look like shit! what the fuck? Yet that guy over there is curling 20lbs and benches 135 and does a shit load of volume and sweats like a mofo looks like fucking hercules while i'm over here doing deadlifts like a forklift looking like a damn toothpick jackass" LOL. Also I noticed when i was training to get super strong my joints would hurt like a mofo, luckily i'm still young and i can recover from it still
Also, I'm really beginning to believe that for juiced users, the juice and their genetics and food was what got them big and thus allowed them to be strong, not "training for strength which in turn made them big."
Quoted for truth.
So much of this stuff correlates with my own experiances.
Train for feel, use enough weight that you can feel the muscle that you are trying to hit through the entirety of the movement. Heavyweight is not ideal for bodybuilding.
Drugs.
Genetics.
Nutrition.
Stimulation.
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leave the heavy training for the fat bozos who are 6' 300 lbs, squatting 600 lbs, proud of their flabby 20 inch arms, but fail to realize that they're at 30% fat and if they didn't have that barbell on their back and just walked down the street they'd look like your regular 7-11 big gulpers.
Buselmo, who are your favorite powerlifter's and strongmen (WSM)?
;D
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IMO you need to make progress in your training, and if you don't then you will stay the same ie. look the same (even when chemicals coursing through your veins)
for example, can you really get bigger quads using the same weight for the same reps? i think not, but i'm new to the chemical aspect of it all, so maybe i'll discover some "new truth" and that truth being just keep squatting 135 for 5 sets of 10 reps and then volia! quads like Platz ;D ;D ;D
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I cannot grow in a caloric deficit, even on drugs that are supposedly capable of this.
I have a raging fast metabolism and fight for every pound I gain.
I once did a cycle of primo @ 500mg per week, test @ 250, and D-bol @ 50mg per day.
I starved myself, basically skipped breakfast and lunch, kind of like the warrior diet.
I would have aminos in the daytime, and try to hold on as long as I could without eating.
By the time I was really starving, it was 5-6pm, and I would eat a very nutrient dense
and filling meal. Even though I hadn't eaten all day, I couldn't fit that much food in my stomach.
So even if I had some cookies and ice cream after that last big meal, my total cals were nothing.
I'm guessing maybe 1500-2000 cals (extremely low for me). I honestly need about 4500 cals to gain any weight at all.
I had never been so lean and vascular. I was doing a little cardio here and there, maybe 30-45 minutes 2-3x per week.
If I competed, I think I could have been show ready with 2 more weeks of eating like that.
For me, that diet is much easier than the contest diets I see guys talking about.
It is easy for me to not eat most of the day, I easily get focused on tasks and if I stay busy, I won't eat.
I get starving the second I slow down and relax. I will pig out like I mentioned above, and I am full for the rest of the night
until bed. It works for me because I don't have to sacrifice any food. If I want pizza, I make that the pigout meal.
Stims in the morning really help too.
This is exactly what works for me. It's effortless, I miss nothing, I have amazing clarity of mind during the day and I lose more visceral fat than any other way.
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Buselmo, who are your favorite powerlifter's and strongmen (WSM)?
;D
the strong fat one... LOL
IMO you need to make progress in your training, and if you don't then you will stay the same ie. look the same (even when chemicals coursing through your veins)
for example, can you really get bigger quads using the same weight for the same reps? i think not, but i'm new to the chemical aspect of it all, so maybe i'll discover some "new truth" and that truth being just keep squatting 135 for 5 sets of 10 reps and then volia! quads like Platz ;D ;D ;D
do 5 sets of 10 reps with 135 lbs while focusing on the quads and resting 60 seconds between sets...
then 2 weeks later, do the same but with 45 seconds rest between sets
then 2 weeks later, do the same but with 30 seconds rest
then 2 weeks later, do the same but with 3-5 deep breaths for rest between sets
progression doesn't always mean heavier weights... infact, increasing the weights all the time is a sure fire way to get injured.
plats had great quads... but most of you don't realize that it wasn't his quads that were the true stand out points... it was his enormous fucking hamstrings. look at any picture of platz, cover the hamstring that sticks out of his inner area of the thighs with your finger, then look at the quads... not so special...
it's also another homoerotic way to pretend to play with his kok... LOL (no hamstring) :p
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the strong fat one... LOL
do 5 sets of 10 reps with 135 lbs while focusing on the quads and resting 60 seconds between sets...
then 2 weeks later, do the same but with 45 seconds rest between sets
then 2 weeks later, do the same but with 30 seconds rest
then 2 weeks later, do the same but with 3-5 deep breaths for rest between sets
progression doesn't always mean heavier weights... infact, increasing the weights all the time is a sure fire way to get injured.
plats had great quads... but most of you don't realize that it wasn't his quads that were the true stand out points... it was his enormous fucking hamstrings. look at any picture of platz, cover the hamstring that sticks out of his inner area of the thighs with your finger, then look at the quads... not so special...
it's also another homoerotic way to pretend to play with his kok... LOL (no hamstring) :p
fair enough man, and the whole point of my post was that PROGRESS is the key, and progress can come about in more ways than one (ie. one way to progress is to train with heavier and heavier training loads, and another way to progress is to perform more reps with the same weight)
it's all about PROGRESS brother
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fair enough man, and the whole point of my post was that PROGRESS is the key, and progress can come about in more ways than one (ie. one way to progress is to train with heavier and heavier training loads, and another way to progress is to perform more reps with the same weight)
it's all about PROGRESS brother
Friend of my old man has been squatting with two plates a side for about 5 years, his quads are his best bodypart.
Past a certain point of load i'm not sure that it needs to be progressive, remember we are talking about the muscles taking the emphasis and not tendons, ligaments, joints and ten other bodypats.
I do prefer to keep adding weight to exercises personally though. As long as my form is strict and i can feel the movement.
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I knew a guy back in the 80`s named Jack Kousaris.............he won Mr. Greece,competed in the NABBA Universe,tons of contests in Mass. and on the east coast, etc. etc.
He would take 135 and squat 20 reps,then 155 for 20,then 175 for 20,and so on, until he got up to around 225 and got as many as possible up to 20 reps if he could by that time.
His quads were fucking insanely developed.
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I knew a guy back in the 80`s named Jack Kousaris.............he won Mr. Greece,competed in the NABBA Universe,tons of contests in Mass. and on the east coast, etc. etc.
He would take 135 and squat 20 reps,then 155 for 20,then 175 for 20,and so on, until he got up to around 225 and got as many as possible up to 20 reps if he could by that time.
His quads were fucking insanely developed.
did you ever cross paths with any of those NABBA figure hotties ;D ;D ;D
OMG! them females are ACE, so fucking hot they are :P :P :P
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What king of training split do you like Buselmo?
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I'm currently running triblend eq and 5iu of hgh, 0 carbs. Starving myself through the day only eating 0 Cal jello and dietsoda / crystal light with a few cheese sticks and pepperoni sticks before training and cheese eggwhites meat, whatever that's low - no carbs post workout, maybe 1500 cals on a filling day and I'm holding all my mass possibly even gaining a little. The greatest part is its easy as fuck to do. Off days I starve till 5-6 and eat whatever for a meal or 2
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I'm currently running triblend eq and 5iu of hgh, 0 carbs. Starving myself through the day only eating 0 Cal jello and dietsoda / crystal light with a few cheese sticks and pepperoni sticks before training and cheese eggwhites meat, whatever that's low - no carbs post workout, maybe 1500 cals on a filling day and I'm holding all my mass possibly even gaining a little. The greatest part is its easy as fuck to do. Off days I starve till 5-6 and eat whatever for a meal or 2
how long have you been following this lo-cal diet?
and what was your starting level of bodyfat, and what is your current level of bodyfat?
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I'm currently running triblend eq and 5iu of hgh, 0 carbs. Starving myself through the day only eating 0 Cal jello and dietsoda / crystal light with a few cheese sticks and pepperoni sticks before training and cheese eggwhites meat, whatever that's low - no carbs post workout, maybe 1500 cals on a filling day and I'm holding all my mass possibly even gaining a little. The greatest part is its easy as fuck to do. Off days I starve till 5-6 and eat whatever for a meal or 2
Serioulsy doubt that, and very interested to see how long you can pull this off. I predict not long, then you will binge like mad and start over from square 1. A bit harsh yes, but it's the truth. Why put yourself on a chick diet of 1500 cals?
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Serioulsy doubt that, and very interested to see how long you can pull this off. I predict not long, then you will binge like mad and start over from square 1. A bit harsh yes, but it's the truth. Why put yourself on a chick diet of 1500 cals?
On it for a week no problems, and its very easy to control cravings with caffeine. Also I'm new to hormones so why don't you take your generic thoughts on what it takes to gain mass somewhere else.
Refeeds every 4 days
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i love it!
not trying to sound lazy but damn was i over thinking the fawk out of EVERYTHING :o
train intensely/feel the muscle work not your ego, eat decent, dont have to eat ridiculously "clean" with nothing but fish and veggies, and last but surely not least....INJECT HORMONES :D
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What king of training split do you like Buselmo?
sat&tue
chest, triceps, deltoids
sun&wed
back, biceps, forearms
mon
legs, calves
I do around 30 minutes of cardio right after working out... sometimes i skip legs and just go do cardio... don't care about having "big" legs... just want them to be proportional. big legs are meant for chicks, not men. cardio seems to be the best thing to keep leg size and keep my calves pumped and they go back to their max size... training calves just does absolutely nothing for me.
cardio is usually 3.2-3.5 mph on the treadmill with 15% incline. brings my heart rate up to 145-150 bpm
abs i do whenever i feel like i have spare time in the gym... usually 2-3 times per week... but I've tried doing them almost everyday and that's when i got the best results... rope crunches... all day long!
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no need to eat more than 3k calories unless you are going for a mutant look using tons of slin. i get better pumps, feel better and i believe my gains are better when i keep my calories low due to increasing insulin sensitivity and priming the body into an environment where it actually wants to utilize calories for anabolism rather than palumboism.
hard to resist eating tons of junk food though.
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On it for a week no problems, and its very easy to control cravings with caffeine. Also I'm new to hormones so why don't you take your generic thoughts on what it takes to gain mass somewhere else.
Refeeds every 4 days
ok, so you've been on this for a mere 7 days and make the claim in increased muscle mass while on a bird diet of 1500 cals? Ya don't know much about this shit, do you?
But hey, live and let fail as you will discover champ.
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Thanks man.
I just made up a split for myself with opposing muscles groups each day so that I can superset every single exercise (back/chest, legs/core, Shoulders/arms).
You can't really superset with your split can you? You can take short rests though, but the weight have to drop significantly after each set..
sat&tue
chest, triceps, deltoids
sun&wed
back, biceps, forearms
mon
legs, calves
I do around 30 minutes of cardio right after working out... sometimes i skip legs and just go do cardio... don't care about having "big" legs... just want them to be proportional. big legs are meant for chicks, not men. cardio seems to be the best thing to keep leg size and keep my calves pumped and they go back to their max size... training calves just does absolutely nothing for me.
cardio is usually 3.2-3.5 mph on the treadmill with 15% incline. brings my heart rate up to 145-150 bpm
abs i do whenever i feel like i have spare time in the gym... usually 2-3 times per week... but I've tried doing them almost everyday and that's when i got the best results... rope crunches... all day long!
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sat&tue
chest, triceps, deltoids
sun&wed
back, biceps, forearms
mon
legs, calves
I do around 30 minutes of cardio right after working out... sometimes i skip legs and just go do cardio... don't care about having "big" legs... just want them to be proportional. big legs are meant for chicks, not men. cardio seems to be the best thing to keep leg size and keep my calves pumped and they go back to their max size... training calves just does absolutely nothing for me.
cardio is usually 3.2-3.5 mph on the treadmill with 15% incline. brings my heart rate up to 145-150 bpm
abs i do whenever i feel like i have spare time in the gym... usually 2-3 times per week... but I've tried doing them almost everyday and that's when i got the best results... rope crunches... all day long!
is that you Singerman?
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i find this a useful and fast way to get in shape, but i only do this after i was clean for a while.then it works best.
and you dont need to do any cardio.
metabolism didnt ever feel slower either.
you will feel suprisingly fresh for the first couple weeks, but later on you will feel terrible.
and then, when youre lean and start eating more, you will explode, but without becoming fat.
no refeed days, they stop the dieting process imo, if one has to really cheat to stand the diet, then do 1 big cheat meal every week or even less frequent.
i went from a fatty, bloated 245lbs to the 210lbs in the profile pics in a couple months.
but i will now be careful to not get too fat ever again, the diet was very hard, i dont feel like doing it ever again.i dont compete nor do i intend to, simply because i dont want to be on gear all the time.
i've been on superdrol for 4 weeks now, and my arms have gone up 1.25 inches on each arm, but my waist has also shot up 2 full inches
this has my freaked out and feeling like a fatass, but the thing is, i really don't look that much fatter
i've been force-feeding myself since "on" and i realize that a good part of these 2 inches on my waistline is the direct result of what a friend of mine used to call "food in the gut" meaning that this waist size gain isn't fat so much but more like dis-ententsion of the gut from being stuffed so full of food on a regular basis
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I'm kind of "shocked" of what Buselmo said, it goes against the saying "get strong and you'll get big".
Can I apply this philosophy of training light but focus on the feeling if I'm not that strong to begin with ? I'm currently on my first test e / deca cycle (I had to stop it when I first started it due to personal reasons...) would I be able with these compounds to use light weights and still grow ? hopefully I'll be able to stay on later on when I'll have the funds on a tren a combo.
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Ya I might have started a thread about it a couple years ago. I know you hear allot about being on hormones and diet not mattering but not for me. I still diet pretty perfect. Well I wanted to get in shape fast and did a no carb/low cal diet which would have otherwise stripped allot of muscle. But I knew the gear would keep my musclemass stable. Got in phenominal shape actually
Didn't do much for your spelling though ...
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diet, in the traditional sense with regards to bodybuilding, will be the cause of your demise. your limbs will look thin, your torso will look like a fridge, and you'll feel like absolute shit... but "it's part of the process! wait til you get there! you'll look great!"... bull-fucking-shit
i'm so pissed that it took me more than 10 years to figure this out...
1000-2000 cals is all you need to keep all your muscle and burn off a ton of fat til you reach 6%... if you stall, stop being a pussy by doing your "super duper ultra strict form HIT super heavy joint destroying" training, which consists of 1-3 working sets for a muscle group due to being afraid of overtraining... LOL...
if you're weight training for 45 minutes... do 60 minutes by adding more sets. don't kill your joints, leave the heavy training for the fat bozos who are 6' 300 lbs, squatting 600 lbs, proud of their flabby 20 inch arms, but fail to realize that they're at 30% fat and if they didn't have that barbell on their back and just walked down the street they'd look like your regular 7-11 big gulpers.
can you gain muscle off of low cals? depends on your dose (injectible, not oral)... eating 1500 cals and staying at 220 lbs 6% while on 2 grams of gear... up the gear to 3 grams... you won't be able to stay on 1500 cals... the hunger will kill you... that's why you eat 2000 cals... still low, but enough to gain off of.
I went from 84 kg at 15% or so to 88.5 kg at 7% (i think) by eating way below 2000 cals and under 200 grams of protein for 4 months. and no GH... how? long lay off... I was only using something like 1400 mg per week, and a shit ton of T3, clen, and E... still, that was the leanest and heaviest i've competed... and it wasn't my highest dose... because all the other times i've competed were under the "guidance" of other fucking idiots who wanted to make it "magical" by eating 6-8 meals a day, 300-400 grams of protein, and the shittiest tasting food ever...
right now?
750 - 1500 mg test per week (depends if i feel like injecting or not)... i'm 216 lbs at 12%... eating less than 60 grams of protein a day... between 2000-3000 cals of pure junk (I buy a redbull, chocolates, cheese pastries and caramel cupcakes in the morning and eat those from 7 am to 4 pm... at night i just go out with the wife and eat mcdonalds or shit)...
all the newbs in the gym (who are crowding the shit out of the place due to summer coming around the corner) keep asking me if i'm warming up and i say no this is how i train... 135 lb bench, 40 lb barbell curls, 20 lb db lateral raises... basically training like a girl... i wake up the next morning... and unlike the past 10 years, i actually wake up full, pumped, and looking like i just worked out (as opposed to looking as flat as a pancake with stringy limbs and my trainer telling me it's normal tolook like that cuz it's part of the process)... if i wanna get lean, i'd up the cardio, take in more fat burners and keep on increasing... wanna get bigger, up the dose and more food with accordance to my hunger...
seriously... 99% of you are afraid of trying this because it's against what you've learned. but what you learned is justa acrock of shit to sell more supps and pay people to "train" you
naturals? pfff... just stop it... please... it's called bodybuilding... you wanna look like a bodybuilder, take drugs... other than that, it's called looking like a guy who went to the gym a couple of times... just swim, do push ups and pull ups, and eat a meal or two a day and you'll look almost the same as you do now.
don't you think upping the gear dose like that is a little reckless as far as health goes? You've been doing this a long time and I've learned a lot from you. I imagine you have monitored bloodwork and things like that. Can you talk a little about the health aspect in your experience of high doses and long term usage?
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the gear itself isn't what kills people: it's the sedentary lifestyle, lack of cardiovascular exercise, excessive calories, use of ancillary and recreational drugs. that's what ends up killing people. no one ever dies from steroids directly, if that was possible you'd see pros keeling over 5minutes after injecting 10grams of gear, which has never, ever, happened. there are higher death rates from injecting synthol than steroids.
even with oral abuse, which is the closest anyone will ever come to dying from steroids directly, no one dies from the tumors or cysts on the liver rupturing and the person bleeding to death. the discovery of the liver tumors always comes later after someone dies from heart disease, which is the greatest cause of death for bodybuilders. people are just lazy and a large part of why many people take roids to begin with.
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the gear itself isn't what kills people: it's the sedentary lifestyle, lack of cardiovascular exercise, excessive calories, use of ancillary and recreational drugs. that's what ends up killing people. no one ever dies from steroids directly, if that was possible you'd see pros keeling over 5minutes after injecting 10grams of gear, which has never, ever, happened. there are higher death rates from injecting synthol than steroids.
even with oral abuse, which is the closest anyone will ever come to dying from steroids directly, no one dies from the tumors or cysts on the liver rupturing and the person bleeding to death. the discovery of the liver tumors always comes later after someone dies from heart disease, which is the greatest cause of death for bodybuilders. people are just lazy and a large part of why many people take roids to begin with.
So then explain why cholesterol turns to shit when on AAS, but when natural and doing exactly everything you mentioned, it is totally fine? That sounds very gh15 like. Not all of us snort coke and take ancillaries every other day and take aas. Do you feel that low HDL doesn't matter?
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how "bad" the low hdl levels are, depends on a lot of factors, but low hdl isn't necessarily a bad thing in itself and the only time it can become an issue is if your calories are excessive, specifically from a lot of junkfood and bad carb sources that leads to arteriosclerosis
orals will absolutely murder your lipid profile in a very bad way though. injectables, not so much as test and others actually increase the efficiency of hdl in removing the "bad" cholesterol from your arteries and transporting it to your liver. the standard tests for analyzing lipid profiles are not an accurate way of gauging how healthy someone's cholesterol levels are, but as a general rule if someone is running orals, or drinking alcohol then it's probably "bad" unless they have cast-iron liver genetics, like buselmo has (i remember your posts about your cholesterol levels when on orals ;) )
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I take this shit with a grain of salt. Anybody who believes this shit if fuckin' retarded beyond words. Your pussy ass light training and junk food diet is just you fuckin' with people who don't know any better. This is not how it's done, but hey, to those who doubt what I'm saying... Try it then tell me who's right.
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I take this shit with a grain of salt. Anybody who believes this shit if fuckin' retarded beyond words. Your pussy ass light training and junk food diet is just you fuckin' with people who don't know any better. This is not how it's done, but hey, to those who doubt what I'm saying... Try it then tell me who's right.
depends on someone's definition of light training and junk food diet.
someone can eat fast food 7 times a week and still grow just fine - it's not healthy though, that's the only problem.
someone can also train with light weights, but if their intensity is high and they can still grow.
depends on genetics, really.
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how "bad" the low hdl levels are, depends on a lot of factors, but low hdl isn't necessarily a bad thing in itself and the only time it can become an issue is if your calories are excessive, specifically from a lot of junkfood and bad carb sources that leads to arteriosclerosis
orals will absolutely murder your lipid profile in a very bad way though. injectables, not so much as test and others actually increase the efficiency of hdl in removing the "bad" cholesterol from your arteries and transporting it to your liver. the standard tests for analyzing lipid profiles are not an accurate way of gauging how healthy someone's cholesterol levels are, but as a general rule if someone is running orals, or drinking alcohol then it's probably "bad" unless they have cast-iron liver genetics, like buselmo has (i remember your posts about your cholesterol levels when on orals ;) )
I see. So you don' think there is anything wrong with having an HDL in the 15-30 range (scale >40) over the long term? This doesn't damage your heart over time? And 6 months of tren and test is what fucked up my HDL. I've stayed away from orals for close to a year now. I'm basically looking for an excuse to just stay on anabolic dosages without having to cruise much if you catch my drift. Since you definitely seem to know your shit, please shed some light on this
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I take this shit with a grain of salt. Anybody who believes this shit if fuckin' retarded beyond words. Your pussy ass light training and junk food diet is just you fuckin' with people who don't know any better. This is not how it's done, but hey, to those who doubt what I'm saying... Try it then tell me who's right.
I have ate absoulte shit and it really doesnt change anything one way or the other. Eating a lot does make you stronger and gives the impression of working by scale weight. I don't know about 1500-2000 calorie but asthetics is right 3,000 is a decent amount unless maybe your a highschool, college kid. As far as safety upping the dose it is 100% proven overeating will kill you it is debatable 3grams of test will as all the ones that have problems on steroids are over eaters.
If you weigh 250+ for 20years it doesnt take a expert to tell you your at risk for a heart attack or stroke. ie prowrestlers dropping like flies
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hi, AMD, i noticed you have been bit careless with diet and alc and never worried, then you went and did a blood test and were shocked.
same for me.
i know, gh15 says much stuff that makes sense, but to claim steroids dont make bloodwork any worse is insanity.
i have friends who have liver parameters skyhigh(120 instead of 40), bloodpressure ridiculously high etc, on moderate doses.and on no orals.
i had terrible blood work myself, eventhough i never use oral.nor do i do drugs, nor do i ever drink.
the only way i get a decent bloodwork is when i am on low dosages and on a clean diet.everything else will lead to catastrophic readings in my case.
ofc you feel good and well and strong, you cant feel it when cholesterol is bad, only a stroke is an undisputable, feelable sign, but by then ,its too late.
and yes, injectables only do increase liver parameters, god knows why, but they do
and my kidney paramenters are just within limits, any higher would be of concern.
there is no rule for everyone, some react well, some dont.
i dont think steroids are bad, but its a smart thing to have bloodwork checked every2,3 months.
thats my personal experience, maybe some get no sides on 5gramms weekly, i sure get sides even on 250mg test weekly if im not careful with my diet.
Careless is a poor term to describe it. My diet is generally good but I'll have a big junk meal high in protein/carbs/fats every day (something like fried chicken, mac n cheese, etc). Alcohol only certain times of the year I'll drink a good amount, other times I'll go weeks without a drop. Last night I had like 5 drinks at a happy hour but haven't drank since 3 weeks ago prior to this. Nothing unhealthy about this at all
Since I've been cruising, I've only injected 175mg test e on sundays and used 5iu hgh to try to maintain. I'm also taking a laundry list of OTC cholesterol supps. But I wonder why I do this when I am only going to blast again and everything will go back down again. Is there any long term build up of heart plaque by having cholesterol levels below the normal range? This is the question I can't seem to find an answer for
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to be honest, i think your cruising drug regiment is about what is manageable health wise long term.at least for me, that is the limit(okmaybe300mg test a week)
nobody will drop dead tomorow if they use more than that, but in my family, many had hearth issues, so i am careful about this all.
as for the cholesterol/cloging up arteries and heart, i dont know, but ill see my doctor soon and have bloodwork done and i will ask him and let you know.he knows what hes doing and is very honest.
on 300mg of test a week, my hdl still wouldn't climb above 32
You are lucky to have a doctor that will talk about that with you. I tried to explain to mine once and it was a complete disaster. Please let me know what he says
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i've been on superdrol for 4 weeks now, and my arms have gone up 1.25 inches on each arm, but my waist has also shot up 2 full inches
this has my freaked out and feeling like a fatass, but the thing is, i really don't look that much fatter
i've been force-feeding myself since "on" and i realize that a good part of these 2 inches on my waistline is the direct result of what a friend of mine used to call "food in the gut" meaning that this waist size gain isn't fat so much but more like dis-ententsion of the gut from being stuffed so full of food on a regular basis
I have done the force feeding on PH cycles before, even though SD is strong there is no doubt that some of that is fat. No need to "force feed".
If I were to force feed I would easily eat 6-7k cals a day because frankly if I were to eat until full I would be at 5-5.5k consistently.
Some of it could be bloat from water if your diet is a little off but lets be real, 4 weeks of a PH and force feeding is going to lead to some fat gain.
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lol, yes, he is a good guy, he declared so many bbuilders gyno as not being the result of steroids when it clearly was, its hilarious.this results in a cost free operation, instead of paying something like 8k usd for that.
he is very open about steroids, but he will also tell ppl when its enough,i.e., when the bloodwork isnt right anymore.
he will even give dietary advise(not for growth, but to reduce symptoms).
my parameters are all ok at the start of a cycle, no problems for the first couple months, but the longer i go on, the worse things get.and that is without increasing the dosage.
i will ask him and let you know.if you have more questions you want me to ask him, let me know.feel free to send a pm.
i know it is very hard to find a doc who isnt histerical about steroid use 8)
that is fucking awesome. I'll keep you in mind if I have any questions for when you hit up the doc. thanks
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thanks for the feedback about the "force feeding" issue fellas
my problem is that i'm kind of an extreme kinda guy, meaning i'll either force-feed myself and eat 4,000-5,000 cals or strave myself and only eat 800-1000 cals
and as far as the waist size increase is concerned, i'm thinking that a good way to check this is by taking ab skinfolds
anyways, i'll try and eat more normally now
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that is fucking awesome. I'll keep you in mind if I have any questions for when you hit up the doc. thanks
I got one. Ask him why it hurts when my bf tickled my bum hole.
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Didn't do much for your spelling though ...
I'm the post police. Appointed by wes.
Not you.
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Starting ultra low cals today will try this for two weeks then go back to my usual cutting at 2400-2700 kcal ED...
Starting today at 1300 kcal, 125g prot
Tomorrow and rest of the week will be closer to 1500 kcal and 140-160g prot i think this is more than enought..
I will also add some extra tren and little test to be safe..
75mg mast, 170mg tren a 50mg test p ED and 600mg primo EW, also upping my t3 from 50 mcg to 100mcg and upping my hgh from 5 iu to 10 iu... Lets see where it brings me.. i will have 700mg more roids in my system this 2 weeks, training 4 times a week....
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don't you think upping the gear dose like that is a little reckless as far as health goes? You've been doing this a long time and I've learned a lot from you. I imagine you have monitored bloodwork and things like that. Can you talk a little about the health aspect in your experience of high doses and long term usage?
ofcourse upping the dose is reckless... so is almost anything else bodybuilding related other than the training (IMHO, even the typical diets are shit... there's not much balance in them and waaay too much protein)
Even on a large dose of gear, i feel much better and have a lot less GI problems than when i use less than half the dose and eat like a typical bodybuilder... i.e. a pig.
my bloodwork has mostly been in the healthy range even after long cycles, and i've posted a couple of tests on promuscle where only my CK was in the high range, but that's because i worked out the day before the test. even my CBC was good after more than a year on cycle.
I have had much worse health scares when i started drinking again. mind you, I go on a couple of days of binging every 2-5 months or so. and my blood work looked much worse... looks much better a month after while still on cycle.
I wouldn't want to give the idea of steroids not having any health consequences... they do!... but they are mostly exaggerated, except for those who are genetically unfortunate.
if you stay clear of orals and fat burners and use them only sparingly, i truly believe you won't suffer anything serious and your blood work should look fine (again, unless you're genetically unfortunate)...
a lot of my friends have problems, now that we're in our 30's (none of them workout or use gear or anything like that)... they have cholesterol problems, diabetes, some of them are anemic, fatty livers... etc. i'm probably the only one with just a simple blood pressure problem (again, hereditary)... so, imagine if these guys used gear... they'd be here preaching that high doses are disasterous blah blah blah...
and really... in this point in my life... i just wanna weigh less and eat less to be healthier... ask an honest doctor and he'll tell you that your health goes downhill after the age of 30. even if you take care of yourself (whatever that means)... you're bound to face some issues, with gear or without. alcohol, narcotics, lack of sleep, stress, overeating... these are killers. gear? i see the effect minimal if you are't really overdoing it (I see many guys here over do it... 3-5 grams, shit ton of GH, and on a ton of 'meds'... prescribed or not)
I've mentioned before that a lot of my immediate family members suffer from some serious health problems... the only 2 ppl who are healthy are me and my dad (we're 6 siblings, so, we're a lot! LOL)...
as far as blood work is concerned, i've never experienced anything alarming (neither have any of my trainees except for thsoe who had them worse before using gear)
as far as how i feel... the worse i've ever felt was on the following:
- compensating gear for diet (as in, eating 3500 cals to start cutting while i'm 200 lbs and only on 750 mg or less... or even clean at the time... i felt like absolute crap and felt very, very, very unhealthy)
- using a ton of fat burners in a magical way (last time i was on a ton i was not eating much food and felt ok... still very high resting heart rate, but nothing like a lot of fat burners with a high cal diet... high cal to me is anything over 10 x bw in lbs)
- not being sober for 2 days straight and only sleeping less than 10 hours in those 2 days... lol... yeah, that felt like death. I was this close to going to the ER from the way i felt... and i haven't seen a doctor (other than for trying to schedule a tonsilectomy, or getting a doctors note) in over 12 years.)
that post was long... LOL
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Starting ultra low cals today will try this for two weeks then go back to my usual cutting at 2400-2700 kcal ED...
Starting today at 1300 kcal, 125g prot
Tomorrow and rest of the week will be closer to 1500 kcal and 140-160g prot i think this is more than enought..
I will also add some extra tren and little test to be safe..
75mg mast, 170mg tren a 50mg test p ED and 600mg primo EW, also upping my t3 from 50 mcg to 100mcg and upping my hgh from 5 iu to 10 iu... Lets see where it brings me.. i will have 700mg more roids in my system this 2 weeks, training 4 times a week....
sounds good man, let us know how it works
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up the protein or get off the t3.
Why do you think i should up the protein bro ??
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as you only needs 15g extra protein to gain 75g muscle ED and the gaer will have me in positive nitrogen balance, as with the anti catabolic tren a gives.... why should i need more protein ?? same as mike mentzer only used 60g prot for his prep, and he was way bigger than me!!
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probable to add extra calories on your diet but if your gaining lean mass, no need to increase protein in take.
Your tren dose is good for ED, I would just increase the test to 100 at least, how do you like the primo?
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ofcourse upping the dose is reckless... so is almost anything else bodybuilding related other than the training (IMHO, even the typical diets are shit... there's not much balance in them and waaay too much protein)
Even on a large dose of gear, i feel much better and have a lot less GI problems than when i use less than half the dose and eat like a typical bodybuilder... i.e. a pig.
my bloodwork has mostly been in the healthy range even after long cycles, and i've posted a couple of tests on promuscle where only my CK was in the high range, but that's because i worked out the day before the test. even my CBC was good after more than a year on cycle.
I have had much worse health scares when i started drinking again. mind you, I go on a couple of days of binging every 2-5 months or so. and my blood work looked much worse... looks much better a month after while still on cycle.
I wouldn't want to give the idea of steroids not having any health consequences... they do!... but they are mostly exaggerated, except for those who are genetically unfortunate.
if you stay clear of orals and fat burners and use them only sparingly, i truly believe you won't suffer anything serious and your blood work should look fine (again, unless you're genetically unfortunate)...
a lot of my friends have problems, now that we're in our 30's (none of them workout or use gear or anything like that)... they have cholesterol problems, diabetes, some of them are anemic, fatty livers... etc. i'm probably the only one with just a simple blood pressure problem (again, hereditary)... so, imagine if these guys used gear... they'd be here preaching that high doses are disasterous blah blah blah...
and really... in this point in my life... i just wanna weigh less and eat less to be healthier... ask an honest doctor and he'll tell you that your health goes downhill after the age of 30. even if you take care of yourself (whatever that means)... you're bound to face some issues, with gear or without. alcohol, narcotics, lack of sleep, stress, overeating... these are killers. gear? i see the effect minimal if you are't really overdoing it (I see many guys here over do it... 3-5 grams, shit ton of GH, and on a ton of 'meds'... prescribed or not)
I've mentioned before that a lot of my immediate family members suffer from some serious health problems... the only 2 ppl who are healthy are me and my dad (we're 6 siblings, so, we're a lot! LOL)...
as far as blood work is concerned, i've never experienced anything alarming (neither have any of my trainees except for thsoe who had them worse before using gear)
as far as how i feel... the worse i've ever felt was on the following:
- compensating gear for diet (as in, eating 3500 cals to start cutting while i'm 200 lbs and only on 750 mg or less... or even clean at the time... i felt like absolute crap and felt very, very, very unhealthy)
- using a ton of fat burners in a magical way (last time i was on a ton i was not eating much food and felt ok... still very high resting heart rate, but nothing like a lot of fat burners with a high cal diet... high cal to me is anything over 10 x bw in lbs)
- not being sober for 2 days straight and only sleeping less than 10 hours in those 2 days... lol... yeah, that felt like death. I was this close to going to the ER from the way i felt... and i haven't seen a doctor (other than for trying to schedule a tonsilectomy, or getting a doctors note) in over 12 years.)
that post was long... LOL
good post, and it tells me that we are all very different when it comes to genetic health. I have bloodwork problems but my blood pressure is picture perfect, so we are opposites in that regard. Also high calorie diets have no effect of my health like it does yours lol
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i dont need to add much more lean mass, and this is also just to test it how it works if i loose some muscle i dont care its realy just to find out how this will work and maybi use it later and adjust to my own needs..
Primo is good, been doing 1,5g switched back to tren and lowered the primo dose 8 days ago...
i find primo real good to maintain muscle mass while lowering my blood presure..
I also believe that a diet low in calories will make you healthier on gear.. but thats just me...
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when I was younger and heavy into partying, I noticed some issues while on gear, BP was throught the roof and would get bright red in face when drinking and of course on cycle...would do drugs like X, sometimes coke and liked adderral, def not good for body...made alot of mistakes but learn from them. I only get drunk maybe 3-4 times a year, dont do ANY hard core drugs and havent for many years (only smoke pot) and no pills what soever...
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ofcourse upping the dose is reckless... so is almost anything else bodybuilding related other than the training (IMHO, even the typical diets are shit... there's not much balance in them and waaay too much protein)
Even on a large dose of gear, i feel much better and have a lot less GI problems than when i use less than half the dose and eat like a typical bodybuilder... i.e. a pig.
my bloodwork has mostly been in the healthy range even after long cycles, and i've posted a couple of tests on promuscle where only my CK was in the high range, but that's because i worked out the day before the test. even my CBC was good after more than a year on cycle.
I have had much worse health scares when i started drinking again. mind you, I go on a couple of days of binging every 2-5 months or so. and my blood work looked much worse... looks much better a month after while still on cycle.
I wouldn't want to give the idea of steroids not having any health consequences... they do!... but they are mostly exaggerated, except for those who are genetically unfortunate.
if you stay clear of orals and fat burners and use them only sparingly, i truly believe you won't suffer anything serious and your blood work should look fine (again, unless you're genetically unfortunate)...
a lot of my friends have problems, now that we're in our 30's (none of them workout or use gear or anything like that)... they have cholesterol problems, diabetes, some of them are anemic, fatty livers... etc. i'm probably the only one with just a simple blood pressure problem (again, hereditary)... so, imagine if these guys used gear... they'd be here preaching that high doses are disasterous blah blah blah...
and really... in this point in my life... i just wanna weigh less and eat less to be healthier... ask an honest doctor and he'll tell you that your health goes downhill after the age of 30. even if you take care of yourself (whatever that means)... you're bound to face some issues, with gear or without. alcohol, narcotics, lack of sleep, stress, overeating... these are killers. gear? i see the effect minimal if you are't really overdoing it (I see many guys here over do it... 3-5 grams, shit ton of GH, and on a ton of 'meds'... prescribed or not)
I've mentioned before that a lot of my immediate family members suffer from some serious health problems... the only 2 ppl who are healthy are me and my dad (we're 6 siblings, so, we're a lot! LOL)...
as far as blood work is concerned, i've never experienced anything alarming (neither have any of my trainees except for thsoe who had them worse before using gear)
as far as how i feel... the worse i've ever felt was on the following:
- compensating gear for diet (as in, eating 3500 cals to start cutting while i'm 200 lbs and only on 750 mg or less... or even clean at the time... i felt like absolute crap and felt very, very, very unhealthy)
- using a ton of fat burners in a magical way (last time i was on a ton i was not eating much food and felt ok... still very high resting heart rate, but nothing like a lot of fat burners with a high cal diet... high cal to me is anything over 10 x bw in lbs)
- not being sober for 2 days straight and only sleeping less than 10 hours in those 2 days... lol... yeah, that felt like death. I was this close to going to the ER from the way i felt... and i haven't seen a doctor (other than for trying to schedule a tonsilectomy, or getting a doctors note) in over 12 years.)
that post was long... LOL
Good post.
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I know diet is very important for good cholesterol, but do you guys incorporate cardio as well? I do 30 minutes of cardio after every workout bulking or cutting and it really helps with lowering bp and cholesterol.
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I know diet is very important for good cholesterol, but do you guys incorporate cardio as well? I do 30 minutes of cardio after every workout bulking or cutting and it really helps with lowering bp and cholesterol.
Absolutely, just for general reasons.
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when you fellas say "cardio" what do you mean exactly?
for me "cardio" is going for a very hard 20 min run wit 6:30 to 7:00 min per mile pace
again, i'm an all or nothing kind of guy, i either go out and run til i drop or just sit around on my ass all day long lol
for me, it's goofy and ridiculous to walk at 4 mile per hour on a 3% incline on the treadmill, i think that's for old-timers or fat bitches
sorry fellas, i don't mean to offend
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For me, I generally try to burn 500 - 600 calories on the crosstrainer after my workout. Usually 500 calories takes me 40 minutes or so.
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mentzer took more drugs than us two combined throughout our lives,lol
True, lol...
when it comes to t3 i think it burs calories the same way if you didnt have calories in you diet anyway. like 1500 kcal diet - 100mcg t3 = 1200 kcal diet... when it comes to cal burning... and i also dont think the body need much protein to keep mass, like 0,8 g per kg... for my weight it will be 90g... then i burn a little when i exercise but that is whery little because of all the roids in my blood.. it keeps my anticatabolic...
When i was visiting a pro here where im from i asked him if it was possible for me to be in competition shape in 6 weeks, he sayed if i used enought homrones and low calories and moderate protein i will be good. this was back when i was i huge abuser and was 122 kg... now i just want to look good... and dont need as much protein as back then... he also tolled me what he would do to be bigger, buy bulk with roids take 1-2 bottles with test EW plenty hgh and insulin.. then i asked him about diet he said eat, but dont overfeed...
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I see. So you don' think there is anything wrong with having an HDL in the 15-30 range (scale >40) over the long term? This doesn't damage your heart over time? And 6 months of tren and test is what fucked up my HDL. I've stayed away from orals for close to a year now. I'm basically looking for an excuse to just stay on anabolic dosages without having to cruise much if you catch my drift. Since you definitely seem to know your shit, please shed some light on this
it's a very complicated question, [health & predicting health problems & when someone will die] and there is truly no definitive answer because there are so, so many variables.
generally, with the typical american diet, i would say 15-30 range HDL is not good for someone's health, though, again, no way to know unless you get much more expensive and complex tests where they essentially take an mri of your arteries and determine how much plaque is building up. you can have 90% blockage or 100% blockage in some arteries and never even know, it's one of those silent killer things like high blood pressure.
i don't have a lot of time to get into it because i'm a little busy at the moment but get a vap test, it is more accurate in gauging how much of your LDL are "unhealthy" and how much of your hdl are the useful kind, plus it should test lipoprotein (a) and otherthings. high triglycerides to hdl ratio is a bigger concern (though high ldl of the small, dense ldl type {which is what statins cause} can also be bad).
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up the protein or get off the t3.
upping the steroids is much more effective, as even with upping protein intake there will still be a lot of protein turnover and catabolism (like if someone were natural). steroids and GH combat the catabolism from most dosages of t3 and no one should be running t3 over 150mcg a day anyways or their hair and nails will eventually fall out + have other health problems.
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True, lol...
when it comes to t3 i think it burs calories the same way if you didnt have calories in you diet anyway. like 1500 kcal diet - 100mcg t3 = 1200 kcal diet...
I can assure you that t3 at 100mcg will burn much much more then that. Atleast 1k cals off your diet, ATLEAST.
As far as cardio goes, I am doing about an hour 6 days a week either post workout or on 1 of my 2 off days.
Eating 2100 cals and on 50mcg t3. I may drop it to 1700 cals the last 2 weeks to finish going down to 6/7%
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upping the steroids is much more effective, as even with upping protein intake there will still be a lot of protein turnover and catabolism (like if someone were natural). steroids and GH combat the catabolism from most dosages of t3 and no one should be running t3 over 150mcg a day anyways or their hair and nails will eventually fall out + have other health problems.
lol why?
Starting ultra low cals today will try this for two weeks then go back to my usual cutting at 2400-2700 kcal ED...
Starting today at 1300 kcal, 125g prot
Tomorrow and rest of the week will be closer to 1500 kcal and 140-160g prot i think this is more than enought..
I will also add some extra tren and little test to be safe..
75mg mast, 170mg tren a 50mg test p ED and 600mg primo EW, also upping my t3 from 50 mcg to 100mcg and upping my hgh from 5 iu to 10 iu... Lets see where it brings me.. i will have 700mg more roids in my system this 2 weeks, training 4 times a week....
Don't jump from 50mcg of t3 to 100mcg straight away, up the dose slowly.
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Good, sensible info here.
Galeniko: your posts are appreciated.
As a mid-40's lifter, I find subjects like this to be very applicable to myself.
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lol why?
Don't jump from 50mcg of t3 to 100mcg straight away, up the dose slowly.
that's just what high levels of t3 does. i was running 300mcg/d the most i've ever done and after 3 days my nails, tendons, and joints all started to hurt. body hair and hair on my head was all shedding. i would have gone completely hairloss and lost my nails if i kept that dosage.
no reason to run it that high anyways, if you are going to go for a suicidal cut with diet drugs, might as well use dnp at that point since it's so much more effective
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it's a very complicated question, [health & predicting health problems & when someone will die] and there is truly no definitive answer because there are so, so many variables.
generally, with the typical american diet, i would say 15-30 range HDL is not good for someone's health, though, again, no way to know unless you get much more expensive and complex tests where they essentially take an mri of your arteries and determine how much plaque is building up. you can have 90% blockage or 100% blockage in some arteries and never even know, it's one of those silent killer things like high blood pressure.
i don't have a lot of time to get into it because i'm a little busy at the moment but get a vap test, it is more accurate in gauging how much of your LDL are "unhealthy" and how much of your hdl are the useful kind, plus it should test lipoprotein (a) and otherthings. high triglycerides to hdl ratio is a bigger concern (though high ldl of the small, dense ldl type {which is what statins cause} can also be bad).
no you answered that great. thanks
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my 365 lb decline bench and 495 lb squat are the reasons for my shoulder, neck, and knee problems that wont go away (got better when i laid off the heavy shit, but still bothers the shit outta me)
I would say these methods work for anyone because they already did with people who asked for my help either on this site, or from people who wanted me to train them.
since October, i've been training 5 people, 2 on gear, and 3 naturals... the guys who are on are now interested in competing due to how their look has transformed, and the natural guys are telling me this is the first time they've seen their abs in their (all of them are over 40) and one of them was so happy with the results, he told me that his wife didn't like how women looked at him and started flirting with him when he went back to his country and asked him to quit training! LOL!
back when i lifted heavy in a HIT fashion, i remember that after 30 minutes of finishing 9 sets total for 3 bodyparts, i'd be fatigued more than anything... not exhausted or felt like i put in a lot of effort, but like i just finished reading 50 pages off a text book, if you know what i mean. by training with this intensity, weights really don't matter, as long as 45-60 minutes through my workout, after doing 40-50 sets with less than 30 seconds rest in between, i'm dripping sweat, breathing heavy, but feel like i want to sprint... you know? that's how you know you've turned into a furnace, burned a shit ton of cals, and stimulated the living crap out of your muscles without having aches and pains in your joints and feeling like you want to down a bottle of advil.
as for the food... right now i could "optimize" it better and track what i eat... but i don't feel like it. by optimizing, i'm not talking about fucking boiled, bland chicken breasts and broccoli... i'm talking frosted flakes and an omelet for breakfast, home made burgers for lunch, and maybe some bbq chicken with rice and fries for dinner... BUT, i really don't feel like waking up 30 minutes earlier to cook up breakfast and lunch... so fuck it :p
What are your advices for the naturals (besides roiding up ;D )?
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I truly believe that heavy weights will ruin your look. do squats with 135 lbs, you feel it all in your quads... and to add, you can isolate a certain part of the quad with your mind and just use that part for the movement... now slap on 405 lbs and start squatting... you can't tell what's working! quads, back, hams, traps?... once you let go of the weight, you feel like the tendons around your knees are sore and feel like they have a lot of pressure on them... now tell me, fucking logically, what worked your quad more? the 135 lbs that made your quad burn like shit and made veins pump out of it and you can't even flex it from how much blood is rushing in there? or the 405 lbs that made you say "why aren't my quads responding? and why the hell do my knees hurt?"
lemme guess... when you first started bodybuildings, you started high volume, moderate weight... right? now you kept reading and shit then you heard about this training heavy crap, and not to overtrain, 1 set to failure blah blah blah... you tried it for a week and had your doubts cuz it feels like a pussy workout and nothing is happening... you're probably looking worse... 3 weeks later you get in the groove and it starts working... and you love it! cuz you get to show everyone how big your ego is!... when you go back to volume with light weights, it aint gonna blow you up overnight... it takes 2-3 weeks... after your body gets used to filling the shit out of your muscles with glycogen... you'll start knowing why the old school bodybuilders were always full and "round" and never complained about being "flat"... they probably haven't heard of that word before.
it's all about your ego... leave it at the door... once you've paid your dues and you get big and you still db curls those 20 lb dumbbells with a twisted face acting like you're lifting 800 lbs, ppl are gonna stare and instead of feeding your ego with "FUCK YEAY I JUST DESTROYED 405 LBS ON BENCH!" and people look at you and silently say in their heads "yeah, but you look like absolute shit"... you'll feed your ego with looking at the guy who's benching 315 lbs while you bench 135 lbs and seeing that look on his face that says "fuck, i quit!"
train intense, shoot gear, and fucking be patient... this shit doesn't happen overnight. if i wanted to gain another 10 lbs of muscle by upping my dose by a gram and adding in GH... i'd give myself a year to accomplish that goal... not 12 weeks.
Ok man, it's been like 2 weeks doing the light stuff
so far it feels really weird. to be honest it feels like it goes against my training beliefs. i love the pump my muscles get in the gym but after an hr my muscles deflate into goo and i look like shit again
when i was a natural i got big and strong by training to be big and strong
so now that i'm going really light but higher rep and higher tempo i wonder if i am cheaping myself out of potential gains?
i am also eating like 2500-3000 calories per day, i think the gear is making me less hungry this time around...
i am on 600 mgs teste, 600 eq, 600 deca, 400 dbol/wk, i'm like 3/4 weeks in, top chef, maybe the deca hasn't kicked in yet...kind of expected bigger gains by now
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allright, i just finished a chest workout and i went up 4 full reps on my working weight
so in my mind, this is a "signal" to me that the growth mechanism has been stimulated and is in full effect now, so therefore i should eat more cals today to take advantage of this rep gain, seeing as it is a signal to me that the growth mechanism is primed up and ready to go
does this make sense to you fellas?
yeah, i'm your typical hyper-obsessed "bodybuilder" lol
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oh one more thing.
often during a diet, you will feel weak, flat, exhausted.
do NOT do something stupid like refilling with carbs, believing you will feel better or something, just cary on with the diet, as long you sleep enough and theres constantly drugs in your blood, the pump in the training will be there.
dont worry if youre bit weaker than previously, just get a huge pump in every training and carry on with the diet.
and no, eating all 3 hours is not necesary, sure it helps to prevent long periods of hunger and to control calorie intake(having a pattern), but it is not really necesary.if youve missed a meal, so be it, dont "make up" for it by eating more the next day.steroids will forgive missed meals.
eat whole food whenever you can, instead of protein powders.i dont know why, but it just works better.
and for christ sake, dont forget to train your legs,lol ;D
What do you mean by "works better"?
and can you give an example of protein sources you eat while you are dieting?
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oh one more thing.
often during a diet, you will feel weak, flat, exhausted.
do NOT do something stupid like refilling with carbs, believing you will feel better or something, just cary on with the diet, as long you sleep enough and theres constantly drugs in your blood, the pump in the training will be there.
dont worry if youre bit weaker than previously, just get a huge pump in every training and carry on with the diet.
and no, eating all 3 hours is not necesary, sure it helps to prevent long periods of hunger and to control calorie intake(having a pattern), but it is not really necesary.if youve missed a meal, so be it, dont "make up" for it by eating more the next day.steroids will forgive missed meals.
eat whole food whenever you can, instead of protein powders.i dont know why, but it just works better.
and for christ sake, dont forget to train your legs,lol ;D
Why would a refeed be "stupid" ?
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as for why, my gf has thyroid issues and i read along with her when shes on thyroid forus, so many ppl report hairloss, its not even funny.
and i fully agree, upping t3 too fast is no good idea, ive learned the hard way. :o
it depends,if you jump on high doses you will SHED HAIR,but it will be something like hair is thinning,not related to mpb,it will grow back after reducing doses or getting off.In my case,i started with 50 for one month,upped to 75,then 100 after another couple months,now i am blasting 150 for one month and will taper down to 75 during summer.The thing is at 150 i feel reaaaally warm,sweating almost all the time,i eat around 2200 kcal,and fat is melting away nicely.Ofc i use roids,it would be stupid to run high t3 with no aas now 500 eq and 300 test(had some tren running but dropped it one week ago,will get on it again in summer).The thing again is i had never experienced huge weight loss on scale with t3,it's just that it allows me to get along with somewhat normal diet for a person(instead of eating 1700 cals i can eat that and one burger or two and still loose some fat).
i still laugh at people reporting they loose 2 pounds daily on 100 mg t3,i mean t3 sheds fat,but not that much.LOL ::)
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anybody else notice that it's relatively "easy" to get down to about 8-9% but then going from 8-9% to sub-6 is a real fucking bitch
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anybody else notice that it's relatively "easy" to get down to about 8-9% but then going from 8-9% to sub-6 is a real fucking bitch
Yes.
That's why i tell people to save T3 and fat burners for when they are already under 8-10%.
It's very easy to get down to 8-10% with just diet and cardio. To get down to 5-6% is where the drugs help the most.
Most people don't understand how easy it is to get lean with a simple diet and cardio routine. They always want to use drugs instead of hard work.
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for fastest fatloss results its contraproductive imo.
a refill meal once every two weeks is enough.
i have tried diets with weekly refill days, and with no refil days.
the results came fastest without refill days.and i didnt lose any muscle compared to the diet with refill days(strenght stayed the same).
many people feel flat during the diet and think if they refill with some sugar and carbs, they will be stronger again and more filled up.
this might be true, but only for one day, but the day after youre deplete again, you will lok worse and have set back your diet.
this is my personal experience and nobody less than h.aykutlug told me to try it this way, after i told him im having problems to get that final "cut".
it is possible to get to 9-10 percent bf with reload days, ofc, but itll take longer than without reloading.by the time id be at 10 percent on the refill diet, im at 7 percent already if i stay away from refeeding.
i hate dieting, i try to keep it as short as possible.i maintain that later on quite well and get away with eating plenty of terrible foods :D
Also with the right drugs you will be able to stay fuller even with fewer carbs and overall cals.
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i also feel protein powders aren't very "effective" or i should say, whey feels like it's not as good as whole meat products.
the only protein powders i use as a result now are my own blends, which i actually feel like they are worth the money because of the pumps + fullness and energy i get from a single 30g shake, as opposed to a 50gram whey shake that left me feeling weaker, hungrier and unsatisfied.
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oh, i teird to increase the dosage slowly, but t3 gives me unbeareable pain on the thyroid/neck for some reason, so i stay away from it.
but i do remember the dieting was easier on t3 than currently without.and there was no jojo effect if the dosage was decreased slowly.
yes, some people overrate the fatburning effect of t3 indeed :D
first time when i jumped on t3,it was 50 mcg.Couple of days i took couple of huge shits daily and i lost about 6 lbs instantly,i was sweating all over while doing nothing.Then i slowly adapted to it.Now at 150 mcg i can tell you besides sweating,my strenth is shit.And i mean real shit.On a good day and no t3 i could bench 310-320 for couple of reps,on 50 mcg no decrease(i had some test and tren through my blood,half a gram combined),on 100 mcg i could barely do 280,now at 150 mcg i do not even try to think how much can i bench,but i did 240 for 6 reps and i was exhausted.
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for fastest fatloss results its contraproductive imo.
a refill meal once every two weeks is enough.
i have tried diets with weekly refill days, and with no refil days.
the results came fastest without refill days.and i didnt lose any muscle compared to the diet with refill days(strenght stayed the same).
many people feel flat during the diet and think if they refill with some sugar and carbs, they will be stronger again and more filled up.
this might be true, but only for one day, but the day after youre deplete again, you will lok worse and have set back your diet.
this is my personal experience and nobody less than h.aykutlug told me to try it this way, after i told him im having problems to get that final "cut".
it is possible to get to 9-10 percent bf with reload days, ofc, but itll take longer than without reloading.by the time id be at 10 percent on the refill diet, im at 7 percent already if i stay away from refeeding.
i hate dieting, i try to keep it as short as possible.i maintain that later on quite well and get away with eating plenty of terrible foods :D
Makes sense.
So you go no carbs for as long as you can or do you keep them low day in day out?
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yes, i go almost no carbs besides whats in vegetables and bit bread crust for as long as i can withstand the craving for carbs and then comes a time where you just cant hold back anymore and then ill have 1 "no holds barred" meal(not a whole day, but one huge meal).on that meal i dont care how much sugar and saturated fats are in it, and that meal usualy last for 2 hours ;D
and what i find important AFTER this meal, i wait with the next diet meal until i am hungry again.sometimes it takes well over 12 hours, but as long i keep to this rule, i dont even get a bloat within the next days.
so yeah, in the diet, the carbs range between 0-150 grams, i decide the carb intake randomly.
and i stay away from any milk products and fruit during the diet.
i can only speak for myself, but this works excellently for me.
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This is pretty much what I've been doing for the last 8 weeks. Its worked great so far but the leaner I get I've found one meal just isn't cutting it for me anymore. It keeps me satiated for a short amount of time now and those cravings come back really quick so atm I'm trying a whole carb day. I rather not add a whole carb day cause I spend all day in a sugar induced coma only waking up to eat. But I find when I go back to the diet I can stick to it for longer w/o constantly thinking about food.
It'll take me a little longer to get to where I wanna be but its the only way I see myself sticking to this diet.
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just curious, do you dudes still get good pumps in the gym being so carb depleted?
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just curious, do you dudes still get good pumps in the gym being so carb depleted?
i get better pumps the less carbs i eat
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a pro told me to juice way less when not on diet, the extra calories outside the cutting diet help greatly.
that's something VERY IMPORTANT, me thinks, and it makes a whole lotta sense actually
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thats sensible, man.you can have more carb meals, if you simply increase the cardio volume.
i do ridiculous things to stay away from the carbs, lol, like i drink all my water with loads of aspartame ;D
dj181, i get cray good pumps on this diet, its weird, the first couple days are hard to get used to it, but very soon after the body seems to adapt and make the very best out of the little carbs in the system.the pumps could even be described as more intense,i swear to god.
it seems to work very good as long there is some bodyfat to use.
btw i am not sure if ketosis is reached with this diet, but i dont care as long this works.
oh another thing, if anyone cares, i dont start diets slowly, i crash the calries right from day one.
people are overly paranoid about losing muscle during a diet, but the combo of hard training and enough hormones make sure there is no or just minimal losses.
especially if youre on less juice when not on diet.
a pro told me to juice way less when not on diet, the extra calories outside the cutting diet help greatly.
ever since i follow this, i have "easy" time getting lean.
lol... this week I'm adding all that sugar free stuff hoping it'll help. Had a carb day on sunday so haven't had the need for it yet but come the weekend I'm sure I'll be snorting that sweet and low crap straight out the packet lol. Gonna try to go as long as I can without refeeding. I'm with you on making the diet as short as possible.
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haha i drink so much of it, the time spent on the toilet is remarkable :o
the stuf is kinda addictive, but it really helps to stay away from carbs and sweet stuff in general.
btw, sometimes i eat a couple "haribos" with the meals, but thats rather insignificant i think.
oh 1 thing for after the diet(when youre happy at 6-7percent), do not start too eat too much, increase calories slooowly to not ruin the looks 8)
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a pro told me to juice way less when not on diet, the extra calories outside the cutting diet help greatly.
i feel like the complete opposite is true.
no need to use a lot of gear when cutting and not trying to add muscle as not much gear is needed to hold onto muscle. but to gain muscle, especially after hitting plateaus, that's exactly when the gear needs to be raised.
grow more = up the dosage
cut more = cut the dosage
grow and cut = really up the dosage
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he actualy told me to keep my current size, i can entirely go off during the "offseason".
if id want be bigger, then id need to cruise on bit test.
he says the growing itself can be achieved by simply eating enough.
and i am currently off everything and look pretty much the same, maybe 1-2percent fatter and slightly less volume than i the picture.
i can live with that 8) and im not the youngest anymore, i have to be bit careful these days
btw, i am not denying i took looads of steroids throughout my life and this helped big time, looking at it from retrospective.
if you took massive amounts at one time in life, some "foundation" of that will always stay,i.e. no way could a natty build such a foundation.
I def beileve that I gained muscle for a long time natually for 8 years and since using steroids I have only gotten slighty bigger but am able to maintain all my muscle when cutting compared to when I was natty I would look like shit in 4-6 weeks and then start gaining again lol
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i feel like the complete opposite is true.
no need to use a lot of gear when cutting and not trying to add muscle as not much gear is needed to hold onto muscle. but to gain muscle, especially after hitting plateaus, that's exactly when the gear needs to be raised.
grow more = up the dosage
cut more = cut the dosage
grow and cut = really up the dosage
No because you can gain a shitload of muscle natually if u gain fat along with it... I mean look at some sumo wreastlers or fat people in general and some of them have lots of lean body mass
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i feel like the complete opposite is true.
no need to use a lot of gear when cutting and not trying to add muscle as not much gear is needed to hold onto muscle. but to gain muscle, especially after hitting plateaus, that's exactly when the gear needs to be raised.
grow more = up the dosage
cut more = cut the dosage
grow and cut = really up the dosage
i agree with this
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haha i drink so much of it, the time spent on the toilet is remarkable :o
the stuf is kinda addictive, but it really helps to stay away from carbs and sweet stuff in general.
btw, sometimes i eat a couple "haribos" with the meals, but thats rather insignificant i think.
oh 1 thing for after the diet(when youre happy at 6-7percent), do not start too eat too much, increase calories slooowly to not ruin the looks 8)
yeap,i am one diet coke lover too,the thing is it helps greatly,yea it's not awesome to your health because of all those artificial flavours in it,buuut,when you are dieting,feeling like shit and carb craving,that's when diet coke comes in help and you feel better after 1-2 cups.
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If you were to change your training a bit from lower volume/higher weight to the higher volume/shorter rests while dieting would this really have any effect on muscle loss if it something you are not used to doing? Was considering doing that approach for my arms (nubret style) in an attempt to get them to grow a bit more but keep lifting heavy with most other bodyparts. Would it be possible for them to grow at about 1400-1600 cals due to training change? Or at least stay the same and not experience any sort of muscle loss. Am always paranoid/worried to switch things up.
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If you were to change your training a bit from lower volume/higher weight to the higher volume/shorter rests while dieting would this really have any effect on muscle loss if it something you are not used to doing? Was considering doing that approach for my arms (nubret style) in an attempt to get them to grow a bit more but keep lifting heavy with most other bodyparts. Would it be possible for them to grow at about 1400-1600 cals due to training change? Or at least stay the same and not experience any sort of muscle loss. Am always paranoid/worried to switch things up.
no, as long as you keep training hard and with intensity you will keep growing provided your dosage is enough to elicit growth.
when it comes to adding mass, it really is all drugs, otherwise you'd see gyms full of naturals who looked like arnold simply by training long enough. the reality is, there is a direct correlation between the amount of muscle mass the body will add and the amount of hormones circulating in the body - simply put, it's all drugs.
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diet, in the traditional sense with regards to bodybuilding, will be the cause of your demise. your limbs will look thin, your torso will look like a fridge, and you'll feel like absolute shit... but "it's part of the process! wait til you get there! you'll look great!"... bull-fucking-shit
i'm so pissed that it took me more than 10 years to figure this out...
1000-2000 cals is all you need to keep all your muscle and burn off a ton of fat til you reach 6%... if you stall, stop being a pussy by doing your "super duper ultra strict form HIT super heavy joint destroying" training, which consists of 1-3 working sets for a muscle group due to being afraid of overtraining... LOL...
if you're weight training for 45 minutes... do 60 minutes by adding more sets. don't kill your joints, leave the heavy training for the fat bozos who are 6' 300 lbs, squatting 600 lbs, proud of their flabby 20 inch arms, but fail to realize that they're at 30% fat and if they didn't have that barbell on their back and just walked down the street they'd look like your regular 7-11 big gulpers.
can you gain muscle off of low cals? depends on your dose (injectible, not oral)... eating 1500 cals and staying at 220 lbs 6% while on 2 grams of gear... up the gear to 3 grams... you won't be able to stay on 1500 cals... the hunger will kill you... that's why you eat 2000 cals... still low, but enough to gain off of.
I went from 84 kg at 15% or so to 88.5 kg at 7% (i think) by eating way below 2000 cals and under 200 grams of protein for 4 months. and no GH... how? long lay off... I was only using something like 1400 mg per week, and a shit ton of T3, clen, and E... still, that was the leanest and heaviest i've competed... and it wasn't my highest dose... because all the other times i've competed were under the "guidance" of other fucking idiots who wanted to make it "magical" by eating 6-8 meals a day, 300-400 grams of protein, and the shittiest tasting food ever...
right now?
750 - 1500 mg test per week (depends if i feel like injecting or not)... i'm 216 lbs at 12%... eating less than 60 grams of protein a day... between 2000-3000 cals of pure junk (I buy a redbull, chocolates, cheese pastries and caramel cupcakes in the morning and eat those from 7 am to 4 pm... at night i just go out with the wife and eat mcdonalds or shit)...
all the newbs in the gym (who are crowding the shit out of the place due to summer coming around the corner) keep asking me if i'm warming up and i say no this is how i train... 135 lb bench, 40 lb barbell curls, 20 lb db lateral raises... basically training like a girl... i wake up the next morning... and unlike the past 10 years, i actually wake up full, pumped, and looking like i just worked out (as opposed to looking as flat as a pancake with stringy limbs and my trainer telling me it's normal tolook like that cuz it's part of the process)... if i wanna get lean, i'd up the cardio, take in more fat burners and keep on increasing... wanna get bigger, up the dose and more food with accordance to my hunger...
seriously... 99% of you are afraid of trying this because it's against what you've learned. but what you learned is justa acrock of shit to sell more supps and pay people to "train" you
naturals? pfff... just stop it... please... it's called bodybuilding... you wanna look like a bodybuilder, take drugs... other than that, it's called looking like a guy who went to the gym a couple of times... just swim, do push ups and pull ups, and eat a meal or two a day and you'll look almost the same as you do now.
spot on IMO
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spot on IMO
Weekly dose of test is between 750-1500. Depending on if he misses doses?
Wtf? That's a huge difference from the low and high end. I.miss a day once in a while too buy I would never let my levels go through that much of an extreme. Just goes to show how lax some guys are but it also makes me wonder just what they look like and if their actual look is anywhere in the realm of what they claim.
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Weekly dose of test is between 750-1500. Depending on if he misses doses?
Wtf? That's a huge difference from the low and high end. I.miss a day once in a while too buy I would never let my levels go through that much of an extreme. Just goes to show how lax some guys are but it also makes me wonder just what they look like and if their actual look is anywhere in the realm of what they claim.
Simple, he fills the syringe and injects 1-2x a week.
The whole point of his post is that the details don't really matter. Use steroids, keep calories low, and train a bit, and that's 80% of it. Ukjeff seems to follow a similar laid back approach and has one of the best physiques on the board
Buselmo is about as no bullshit as it gets and is pretty familiar with the ways the ultra-shredded Arabian bodybuilders do things. Ludicrous amounts of drugs and very low calorie diets