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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: James28 on June 09, 2011, 12:44:57 PM
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I'm always reading you guys talking about Tren, Test, GH, Nap, this or that and it makes no fucking sense to me. What's an iu? Is there different names for steroids that goes country to country? What would be an ideal first cycle for someone that just wants to dabble without going heavy? etc.
Can anyone point me to a good article or introduction on steroids?
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forget about all that shit. if you wanna use juice, over thinking and disecting shit only makes it more complicated in your mind.. it will hodl you back.
to start out, try some testosterone. 750mg per week is a good dose. 500mg is usually what a beginner will take tho. play around with it.
after a while try out different steroids. find the ones you like the best, the ones you respond to the best, an start using those steroids only.
stay on, use a good amount, and lift.
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Just test and nothing else? What about side effects? Do I cycle something like Clomid or Novaldex with it?
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forget about all that shit. if you wanna use juice, over thinking and disecting shit only makes it more complicated in your mind.. it will hodl you back.
to start out, try some testosterone. 750mg per week is a good dose. 500mg is usually what a beginner will take tho. play around with it.
after a while try out different steroids. find the ones you like the best, the ones you respond to the best, an start using those steroids only.
stay on, use a good amount, and lift.
750mg for first cycle??
Go and take a cock up your ass and stop giving people advice.
Just test and nothing else? What about side effects? Do I cycle something like Clomid or Novaldex with it?
Just test is fine, in Europe a typical beginners cycle would be 250mg every week for 16 weeks, this way you make slow and steady gains without many side effects, in the USA the advice is to do 500mg every week because the benefits will be better, but you will also have more sides.
I think 250mg is fine, you can see how you react to the gear, you can still up the dose, and if you are satisfied with 250mg per week, 500mg per week could be a fine 2nd cycle.
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750mg for first cycle??
Go and take a cock up your ass and stop giving people advice.
Just test is fine, in Europe a typical beginners cycle would be 250mg every week for 16 weeks, this way you make slow and steady gains without many side effects, in the USA the advice is to do 500mg every week because the benefits will be better, but you will also have more sides.
I think 250mg is fine, you can see how you react to the gear, you can still up the dose, and if you are satisfied with 250mg per week, 500mg per week could be a fine 2nd cycle.
i agree with DK II here...try 250mg and see how your body reacts first...
more test will get you more results (some) but more sides as well
and tboobz...750mg test x week as a first cycle??? are you kidding???
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Thanks DK and Bladerunner. Is there any particular Test or would any do? What sides can I expect on 250mg a week? Is it injected in one go or little by little every day? Pardon the silly questions.
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Thanks DK and Bladerunner. Is there any particular Test or would any do? What sides can I expect on 250mg a week? Is it injected in one go or little by little every day? Pardon the silly questions.
go for test enanthate (enanthate is a long esther which means you ll have a slow and steady release of test in your body) at 250mg x week.
you inject once once a week..
as for side effects you should have almost none at that dose,but response is very individual that is why is better to start slow and see how you react to it
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sides on 500mg of test? what are you guys, fucking fag0ts?? seriously OP if you dont feel like wasting your time and actually want some results instead of a whoppin 3lbs gain from 250mg, 500mg test for 12 weeks with dbol 40mg the 4 last weeks, get arimidex and use 1mg once or twice a week to keep estro in check.. 2 weeks after your last shot start clomid at 100mg for 4 weeks
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Thanks for your reply lesaucer.
Can anyone confirm what he said?
Not that I don't believe you mate, but I'm being told two different things here.
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I'm not sure why tbombz is so quick to bash actually learning and educating yourself...pretty ridiculous statements. However, in a lot of ways he's right, it's not rocket science but when you don't know something you simply don't know, regardless of how simple it might be.
There's some good info in the sticky at the top of the page that has newbie info in it, some first cycle guidelines with some options and how best to run a PCT and all that. Also, steroid.com is a good place to go, plenty of good information on there and most of that information is being updated and made even easier to read yet with more in-depth explanations.
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fuck all you mother fuckers
you want no bullshit i bring it to you raw
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fuck all you mother fuckers
you want no bullshit i bring it to you raw
What did you bring? In a general sense all you said was trying to learn and understand the ins and outs of steroids was a waste. I'll agree, most will never have a need or even a desire to really delve into steroids in-terms of every last aspect of function but a basic understanding can be pretty valuable for a lot of guys, especially a guy who has a competitive bodybuilding goal in mind. There are a lot of things you can do with steroid and diet manipulation, a whole lot of things.
Moreover, if you use arbitrarily and fall prey to some nasty side-effects and don't know what to do about it then what? For example, a lot of guys assume because Trenbolone doesn't aromatize Gyno is no concern, however you can absolutely get Gyno from Tren due its progesterone nature if you're sensitive...that's just one example of many.
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What did you bring? In a general sense all you said was trying to learn and understand the ins and outs of steroids was a waste. I'll agree, most will never have a need or even a desire to really delve into steroids in-terms of every last aspect of function but a basic understanding can be pretty valuable for a lot of guys, especially a guy who has a competitive bodybuilding goal in mind. There are a lot of things you can do with steroid and diet manipulation, a whole lot of things.
Moreover, if you use arbitrarily and fall prey to some nasty side-effects and don't know what to do about it then what? For example, a lot of guys assume because Trenbolone doesn't aromatize Gyno is no concern, however you can absolutely get Gyno from Tren due its progesterone nature if you're sensitive...that's just one example of many.
good effects= continue using
bad effects= stop using
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I agree with tbombz if someone had told me what he said when I first started and I would have belived them I would have been a lot better off
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forget about all that shit. if you wanna use juice, over thinking and disecting shit only makes it more complicated in your mind.. it will hodl you back.
to start out, try some testosterone. 750mg per week is a good dose. 500mg is usually what a beginner will take tho. play around with it.
after a while try out different steroids. find the ones you like the best, the ones you respond to the best, an start using those steroids only.
stay on, use a good amount, and lift.
I'd go with all this but start at 500mg... 250mg will give you gains but reality here 500mg is a better starting point for BB purposes.
As T says once you hit a wall or become more comfortable with being a hormone junkie ;D add some more test in and/or start playing with other compounds to see how you react to them and what they do to you etc - we all react in diff ways to diff steroids.
You can also add dball in to jump start your first cycle the first four weeks. If they are legit start at 20mg a day and work from there - I very rarely go over 30mg of dball a day as they work well for me and I start getting sides much above this.
Also there is no cycle in BB you are either on or not - you can lower doses to cruise eg 500mg of test a week then keep uping the dose - go off completly = good bye to gained steroid muscle mass - that is fact and dont let any of these fucktards tell you diff.
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go off completly = good bye to gained steroid muscle mass - that is fact and dont let any of these fucktards tell you diff.
absolfuckinglutley
I have been off for 3 years and I look like complete fucking shit. I hate it. Of course my diet sucks and I don't train but what's the fucking point if you don't have steroids. I mean lets be real here. Sure I could bust my ass and maybe in 8 months I can be skinnyfat. But with juice I can be much more in 3-4 months with a rock hard cock 24/7. ;D
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ya it depends on your goals if your just trying to look good at the club 500-1000mg may be all you ever need if you want to be a monster or freak its take more then just a little steroids.
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What did you bring? In a general sense all you said was trying to learn and understand the ins and outs of steroids was a waste. I'll agree, most will never have a need or even a desire to really delve into steroids in-terms of every last aspect of function but a basic understanding can be pretty valuable for a lot of guys, especially a guy who has a competitive bodybuilding goal in mind. There are a lot of things you can do with steroid and diet manipulation, a whole lot of things.
Moreover, if you use arbitrarily and fall prey to some nasty side-effects and don't know what to do about it then what? For example, a lot of guys assume because Trenbolone doesn't aromatize Gyno is no concern, however you can absolutely get Gyno from Tren due its progesterone nature if you're sensitive...that's just one example of many.
classic. Good stuff here. he's probably a kid and I doubt you can talk sense into him....
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absolfuckinglutley
I have been off for 3 years and I look like complete fucking shit. I hate it. Of course my diet sucks and I don't train but what's the fucking point if you don't have steroids. I mean lets be real here. Sure I could bust my ass and maybe in 8 months I can be skinnyfat. But with juice I can be much more in 3-4 months with a rock hard cock 24/7. ;D
This is some of the stupidest shit i have ever heard of. I have cycled on and off of gear for 15 years without ever looking like shit unless I couldnt train and/or eat right (an I had no choice when this happened to me). key words that you mentioned - training and diet. of course you look like shit and lose all gains if you eat like shit and dont train. This happens whether you are a gear head or are a natty and have never used gear. Dont try to turn your issues around on the gear. Yes gear is great, and it will get you results, but the reality of bodybuilding, whether its with gear or no gear - is that you MUST eat right, sleep right, and train right or you will look like shit. Plain and simple. Sorry bro, but I am going to have to exercise my right to call you a dip shit for this one.
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I swear when did getbig turn into such pussies ::) I haven't been off in over 20 months for more than a few weeks at a time unless I was broke. Use as much AAS and gh as you can afford ALL the time. Buy ALL the time.
Or...you can keep playing around with your two vials in your hidden shoebox you hide from your gf and see how far you get. If your room doesnt look like a junkie's apartment, your not trying hard enough.
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This is some of the stupidest shit i have ever heard of. I have cycled on and off of gear for 15 years without ever looking like shit unless I couldnt train and/or eat right (an I had no choice when this happened to me). key words that you mentioned - training and diet. of course you look like shit and lose all gains if you eat like shit and dont train. This happens whether you are a gear head or are a natty and have never used gear. Dont try to turn your issues around on the gear. Yes gear is great, and it will get you results, but the reality of bodybuilding, whether its with gear or no gear - is that you MUST eat right, sleep right, and train right or you will look like shit. Plain and simple. Sorry bro, but I am going to have to exercise my right to call you a dip shit for this one.
Dude I have been lifting for about 26 years and only juiced a few years ago. I was in shape for the majority of the time. I worked hard and struggled for shitty gains as a natural. My point is I guess that I tend not to give a fuck too much about training hard without steroids. It is pointless to think you will get anywhere without them. Of course training and diet is a necessity. I just worded shit wrong I guess...lol. For me personally since I had major gains while ON it is very disappointing when you start to lose size and strength when nothing has changed but the cycle.
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This is some of the stupidest shit i have ever heard of. I have cycled on and off of gear for 15 years without ever looking like shit unless I couldnt train and/or eat right (an I had no choice when this happened to me). key words that you mentioned - training and diet. of course you look like shit and lose all gains if you eat like shit and dont train. This happens whether you are a gear head or are a natty and have never used gear. Dont try to turn your issues around on the gear. Yes gear is great, and it will get you results, but the reality of bodybuilding, whether its with gear or no gear - is that you MUST eat right, sleep right, and train right or you will look like shit. Plain and simple. Sorry bro, but I am going to have to exercise my right to call you a dip shit for this one.
No he is absolutely right. Who the fuck goes to the gym clean? you? I sure dont. Do you think gh15 is joking when he says that pros will not even step foot in a gym without gh in system? And yes you can be a very good bodybuilder training like a pussy. ABSOLUTELY.
Life gets in the way. Work, relationships, life,stress, and so on. Bringing your tuna and rice to a sushi bar with your buddies. life is too short for that..
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Dude I have been lifting for about 26 years and only juiced a few years ago. I was in shape for the majority of the time. I worked hard and struggled for shitty gains as a natural. My point is I guess that I tend not to give a fuck too much about training hard without steroids. It is pointless to think you will get anywhere without them. Of course training and diet is a necessity. I just worded shit wrong I guess...lol. For me personally since I had major gains while ON it is very disappointing when you start to lose size and strength when nothing has changed but the cycle.
Great post man and I understand where you are coming from. i definitely agre that training on and off are night and day. i went off the handle though because i also know very well the effects of staying on roids just constantly and nevr coming off. It destroys the body and real doctors struggle to get your shit back straight again. Like these guys on this thread saying to stay on constantly and never come off. Thats pure stupidity and it will catch up with them. I would love more than anything to stay on gear and just never come off but trust me, it will fuck your body up big time and its bst to cycle off the shit and let the body naturalize.
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I swear when did getbig turn into such pussies ::) I haven't been off in over 20 months for more than a few weeks at a time unless I was broke. Use as much AAS and gh as you can afford ALL the time. Buy ALL the time.
Or...you can keep playing around with your two vials in your hidden shoebox you hide from your gf and see how far you get. If your room doesnt look like a junkie's apartment, your not trying hard enough.
hows your blood pressure? ::)
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Great post man and I understand where you are coming from. i definitely agre that training on and off are night and day. i went off the handle though because i also know very well the effects of staying on roids just constantly and nevr coming off. It destroys the body and real doctors struggle to get your shit back straight again. Like these guys on this thread saying to stay on constantly and never come off. Thats pure stupidity and it will catch up with them. I would love more than anything to stay on gear and just never come off but trust me, it will fuck your body up big time and its bst to cycle off the shit and let the body naturalize.
also, not that you were saying otherwise, but i was just illustrating why i initially responded to your post..
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also, not that you were saying otherwise, but i was just illustrating why i initially responded to your post..
it's all good man.
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hows your blood pressure? ::)
100mg anadrol and a gram of anabolics on top of it...you do the math :D
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Something a lot of guys never consider is how our bodies change over time, you may be using gear, stacking X, Y and Z get great results and experience no negative side-effects. A few years later you use the same stack at the same dose, the gains are not quite the same, maybe better, maybe worse but this time there are negative side-effects involved.
You see this kind of thing in bodybuilding all the time, guys have some success and follow the same protocol with gear, diet and training for the rest of their lives; eventually it will not work as well, changes to the plan need to be made but in their stubbornness they refuse to change, they refuse to really look into the situation and continually bang their head against the wall year after year. They may make some gains but never to the degree they could and for the most part in most cases stay the same.
While there can be many different factors at play it could be a simple adjustment with gear but if you don't have a simple and basic understanding of function you'll never correct it.
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Something a lot of guys never consider is how our bodies change over time, you may be using gear, stacking X, Y and Z get great results and experience no negative side-effects. A few years later you use the same stack at the same dose, the gains are not quite the same, maybe better, maybe worse but this time there are negative side-effects involved.
You see this kind of thing in bodybuilding all the time, guys have some success and follow the same protocol with gear, diet and training for the rest of their lives; eventually it will not work as well, changes to the plan need to be made but in their stubbornness they refuse to change, they refuse to really look into the situation and continually bang their head against the wall year after year. They may make some gains but never to the degree they could and for the most part in most cases stay the same.
While there can be many different factors at play it could be a simple adjustment with gear but if you don't have a simple and basic understanding of function you'll never correct it.
so whats your solution?
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No he is absolutely right. Who the fuck goes to the gym clean? you? I sure dont. Do you think gh15 is joking when he says that pros will not even step foot in a gym without gh in system? And yes you can be a very good bodybuilder training like a pussy. ABSOLUTELY.
Life gets in the way. Work, relationships, life,stress, and so on. Bringing your tuna and rice to a sushi bar with your buddies. life is too short for that..
Well, not everyone needs a needle up his ass to train.
"Life gets in the way"? If "Life gets in the way" buddy, steroids would be the least of your concern. Seems like theyre not.
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Well, not everyone needs a needle up his ass to train.
"Life gets in the way"? If "Life gets in the way" buddy, steroids would be the least of your concern. Seems like theyre not.
you misunderstood me. I meant that life gets in the way as in missing meals, occasional training sessions, stuff like that. But drugs are very forgiving and you can get away with ALOT. Also planning cycles out is bullshit. Nobody writes out a 4 month cycle and follows it to a T at least nobody I know. usually you end up adding another compound in, changing the doses, dropping a compound,etc.
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you misunderstood me. I meant that life gets in the way as in missing meals, occasional training sessions, stuff like that. But drugs are very forgiving and you can get away with ALOT. Also planning cycles out is bullshit. Nobody writes out a 4 month cycle and follows it to a T at least nobody I know. usually you end up adding another compound in, changing the doses, dropping a compound,etc.
Yes, in this regard natural bodybuilding is MUCH more demanding for the people surrounding you.
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you misunderstood me. I meant that life gets in the way as in missing meals, occasional training sessions, stuff like that. But drugs are very forgiving and you can get away with ALOT. Also planning cycles out is bullshit. Nobody writes out a 4 month cycle and follows it to a T at least nobody I know. usually you end up adding another compound in, changing the doses, dropping a compound,etc.
Im glad you didnt take that as an attack.. it wasnt meant to be one anyway... :) 8)
I just feel most of you guys are very pessimistic about comming off. just train and eat the way you did...lower protein try to eat cleaner (you wont have much of an appetite anyway). train as you normally do.
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you misunderstood me. I meant that life gets in the way as in missing meals, occasional training sessions, stuff like that. But drugs are very forgiving and you can get away with ALOT. Also planning cycles out is bullshit. Nobody writes out a 4 month cycle and follows it to a T at least nobody I know. usually you end up adding another compound in, changing the doses, dropping a compound,etc.
Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss............. :D
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Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss............. :D
haha i mean its true . NEVER in my life have I actually stuck to a cycle never ever. It's all one big neverending cycle
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haha i mean its true . NEVER in my life have I actually stuck to a cycle never ever. It's all one big neverending cycle
Yes, always the need to pull something out due to "sides" or add something in...up the dose...lower the dose, cruise etc.
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750mg for first cycle??
yes bitch thats what i recommended. youve never even juiced before you scrawny fuck. used to be all up on miloss nuts about giant sets and snake oil, then gh15 took a liking to you for some odd reason and now you think your some kind of guru. stay on the G&O pretending like you lift. funny how your ugly bitch wife was all ove kyomus nuts when you visited him in spain.
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yes bitch thats what i recommended. youve never even juiced before you scrawny fuck. used to be all up on miloss nuts about giant sets and snake oil, then gh15 took a liking to you for some odd reason and now you think your some kind of guru. stay on the G&O pretending like you lift. funny how your ugly bitch wife was all ove kyomus nuts when you visited him in spain.
ahahaha, f@ggot meltdown.
P.S. please don't hate me because i get HG gear and not the underdosed UG crap that you shoot. :-* :-* :-*
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First off how old are you? What is your health like, any high blood pressure, high cholesterol, prostrate problems?
If your over 21 and in good health I say start with 250mg of Test Enth a week for 6 weeks and if you feel ok with it, bump it up to 500mg a week for another 6 weeks. Use 0.5mg of Arimidex every other day if you have any side effects such as ( Gyno, water retention and acne). I would continue using ADEX 4 weeks after your cycle with 100mg of Clomid and throw in 500iu's of HCG every other day for three weeks after your cycle. My nuts got huge doing that. Steroid.com is a good site to find info.
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Here are some more information by Dr.intensity :
i have some what different views on this topic,
A newbie 18 years, 140lbs at 5 feet 8 inches old would need 3 years of focused serious lifting to build a muscle base, so prolly he would weigh 175 after 3 years of lifting,
During this time he must understand various concepts of
1) Proper form
2) Concept of progressive lifting
3) Periodization
4) How to set up his PERSONAL diet for muscle building and what to expect out of it.
5) RE-SEARCH AAS-PCT---THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT-HOW TO PREVENT SIDES ETC AS MUCH AS HE CAN. SAMPLE LIST AS
Supportive Drug Therapy for Prophylaxis
1. Cardiovascular Support
a) Fish Oil Capsules 10 x 1000mg
b) CQ-10 - 200-400mg/day
c) Niacin Sustained Release-500-1000mg
d) Aspirin 75 mg -150mg
e) ACE inhibitors (ramipril 2-5 to 7.5mg) for blood pressure
2. Liver support
a) Liv-52 four to six single strength tablets
b) Milk-thistle
c) Syntherigine
3. Prostrate, Acne and Hairloss-DHT Control
Finpecia 1mg MON + THURS
4.Testicular Function and Size
HCG-1000iu-2000iu/sunday
5. Estrogen Management
Anti-Aromatase
a) Aromasin
b) Letrozole
c) Arimidex
6.Anti-estrogens
a) Tamoxifen Citrate
b) Clomiphene Citrate
{These should not be used when prolactin producing compounds are being used}
7.Prolactin Control
a) Cabergoline - 1mg MON+THURS
b) Pramipexole
8. Opioid Antagonists
a) Naltrexone 5mg MON+THURS
9. General health support
a) Multi-vitamin+Multimineral x 2tabs/day
b) Vitamin E-800iu (Primary Anti-oxidant)
c) Vitamin C-2000mg (secondary Anti-oxidant)
10. Joint support
a) Glucosamine-Sulphate-2000mg
b) MSM powder-2000mg
11. Reno-protective
a) 6 liters of water a day
these are a list of supplements that may help the bodybuilder prolong good health and prevent side-effects. so i thought i`ll put a list may be useful for new guys.
when this guy is well versed with all of the above then he can SURELY GET AWAY WITH 5 YEARS OF AAS USE without dying of heart attack(Huge supportive therapy drugs + proper PCT etc) TO BUILD A HUGE MUSCLE BASE.
THEN WHEN HE IS READY HE CAN DEVOTE A 5 YEARS OF PROGRESSIVE DIET---PROGRESSIVE TRAINING---PROGRESSIVE CYCLING TO GIAN AS MUCH AS HE CAN
YEAR 1.
CYCLE-1
8 WEEKS OF 500MG TEST E + 4 WEEK PCT + 12 WEEKS OFF THEN BLOOD TEST AND START NEXT CYCLE
CYCLE-2
2 WEEKS OF 600MG TEST P + 8 WEEKS OF 600MG TEST + 300 MG TREN A + 8 WEEKS CRIUSE 250-300MG TEST + 1000IU HCG EW
+ 6 WEEKS PCT
+4 WEEKS OFF
THEN BLOOD TEST
CYCLE-3
8 WEEKS OF 1000MG TEST + 400MG DECA + 8 WEEKS CRIUSE 250-300MG TEST + 1000IU HCG EW
THEN BLOOD TEST
OFF 8 WEEKS
YEAR-2 -
CYCLE-1
10 WEEKS OF 1000MG TEST + 400MG DECA-DURABOLIN + 150 MG TREN A + 8 WEEKS CRIUSE 250-300MG TEST + 1000IU HCG EW
THEN BLOOD TEST
CYCLE-2
10 WEEKS OF 1000MG TEST + 600MG EQ + 300 MG TREN A + 8 WEEKS CRIUSE 250-300MG TEST + 1000IU HCG EW
THEN BLOOD TEST
OFF 8 WEEKS
CYCLE-3
10 WEEKS OF 1000MG TEST + 600MG EQ + 300 MG TREN A + --MG MASTERON + 8 WEEKS CRIUSE 250-300MG TEST + 1000IU HCG EW
THEN BLOOD TEST
YEAR-3
CYCLE-1
10 WEEKS OF 1250MG TEST + 600MG DECA-DURABOLIN + 6 WEEK PCT + 4 WEEKS OFF THEN BLOOD TEST
CYCLE-2
10 WEEKS OF 1250MG TEST + 600MG BOLDENONE + 6 WEEK PCT + 4 WEEKS OFF THEN BLOOD TEST
CYCLE-3
10 WEEKS OF 1250MG TEST + 150 MG TREN + 6 WEEK PCT + 4 WEEKS OFF THEN BLOOD TEST
YEAR 4.
* INCLUDING 4IU GH ALL YEAR LONG
CYCLE-1
12 WEEKS OF 1500MG TEST + 600MG DECA-DURABOLIN +D-BALL-25MG ED FOR LAST 4 WEEKS--- 6 WEEK PCT + 4 WEEKS OFF THEN BLOOD TEST
CYCLE-2
12WEEKS OF 1500MG TEST + 800MG BOLDENONE + D-BALL-25MG ED FOR LAST 4 WEEKS 6 WEEK PCT + 4 WEEKS OFF THEN BLOOD TEST
CYCLE-3
12 WEEKS OF 1500MG TEST + 300 MG TREN + ANADROL-50MG D-BALL-25MG ED FOR LAST 4 WEEKS 6 WEEK PCT + 4 WEEKS OFF THEN BLOOD TEST
YEAR 5.
INCLUDING 8IU GH ON CYCLE AND 4IU OFF CYCLE
CYCLE-1
12 WEEKS OF 2000MG TEST + 600MG DECA-DURABOLIN +D-BALL-25MG ED+INSULIN 6IU/POST WORKOUT FOR LAST 4 WEEKS--- 6 WEEK PCT + 4 WEEKS OFF THEN BLOOD TEST
CYCLE-2
12WEEKS OF 2000MG TEST + 800MG BOLDENONE + D-BALL-25MG ED +INSULIN 6IU/POST WORKOUT FOR LAST 4 WEEKS 6 WEEK PCT + 4 WEEKS OFF THEN BLOOD TEST
CYCLE-3
12 WEEKS OF 2000MG TEST + 450 MG TREN + ANADROL-50MG D-BALL-25MG ED+INSULIN 10IU/POST WORKOUT+BREAKFAST FOR LAST 4 WEEKS 6 WEEK PCT + 4 WEEKS OFF THEN BLOOD TEST
NOW AFTER 16 CYCLES IN 5 YEARS THIS 175 LBS GUY WILL COME TO KNOW HIS STATUS--IF HE HAS IT IN HIM THEN ON AN AVERAGE HE MAY GAIN 75-100LBS MUSCLE IN 5 YEARS( 6LBS MUSCLE GAIN PER CYCLE)
NOW REGARDING THE SIDE EFFECTS I WOULD ASK THIS GUY TO RE-SEARCH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ON SUPPORTIVE DRUG THERAPY
My dietary recommendation to this guy would be to (on cycle or off cycle)
eat Protein = 2-2.5 grams x "lean body mass"
Fats= 0.5 grams x "lean body mass"
Carbohydrate - as required if he feels bloated then reduce carbs or feels flat then add more carbs
NEVER OVER-EXPECT FROM A GREAT DIET
Always train heavy on cycle or off cycle[/b]
this way he develops all the muscle mass he can according to his genetics, at the age of 27 he will be a MONSTER.
ONCE THE GUY IS ABLE TO CREATE THE MUSCLE BASE(then this muscle base as muscle memory stays with you)---THEN ALL HE WOULD NEED IS TO BE ON FOR 4-6 MONTHS A YEAR TO PREP FOR A COMP.
just my opinion
Dr Intensity
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Here are some more information by Dr.intensity :
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Is this the guy who makes bbing sound like its rocket science on various boards?
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Is this the guy who makes bbing sound like its rocket science on various boards?
lol yea, med school student.... they all act like that
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lol yea, med school student.... they all act like that
:D
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classic. Good stuff here. he's probably a kid and I doubt you can talk sense into him....
um? ::) he's absolutely right about trenbolone and progesterone. the science is there buddy... idk what you're discrediting.
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NEVER in my life have I actually stuck to a cycle never ever. It's all one big neverending cycle
that means you're an addict. hope this helps. ;)
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If your over 21 and in good health I say start with 250mg of Test Enth a week for 6 weeks and if you feel ok with it, bump it up to 500mg a week for another 6 weeks. Use 0.5mg of Arimidex every other day if you have any side effects such as ( Gyno, water retention and acne). I would continue using ADEX 4 weeks after your cycle with 100mg of Clomid and throw in 500iu's of HCG every other day for three weeks after your cycle. My nuts got huge doing that. Steroid.com is a good site to find info.
good post. i agree w/ his recommendation. except i recommend only six to eight weeks for first cycle. that way you could omit the hcg and depend solely on clomid. (above eight weeks hcg is a must)
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