question for all the "no carbs" folks...

[Cleanest Natural]

hahaha, so I'll take your advice over published research with proven results.  Yes, it is a bitch on your system but it works. 

yes .. I think I know better from experience

[Thin Lizzy]

This is true only to a certain point. Once into the single digits, it becomes very stagnant.

It's also completely unsustainable to lift any heavy weights, or do any interval training, without some glycogen stores, hence the refeed once per week. If you were fairly sedentary, or did LISS, then keto-adaptation would be fine, but it is not ideal for a getbigger. Also need to refill leptin stores for metabolic function (and hormone balance for mental health), which can ONLY be refilled using carbohydrates (an insulin spike); leptin is not replenished from protein or fat.

For refeeds, does the type of carb make a difference, simple vs complex?

[TEH boob]

Sev, I am assuming "pulpa" is octopus?

Yes. Octopus is my favorite but I rarely eat it anymore since it's very overfished. Not that getbiggers care 

[TEH boob]

The turkish yoghurt guy?

Funny story, he was put on the box unknowingly by the diary company, but he was actually greek and got mad. He sued them for 50 million Swedish crowns. But I think they settled and now they're selling greek yoghurt too lol

Hell yeah he'd be pissed. He's old so he's probably still bitter

[Tapeworm]

The turkish yoghurt guy?

Funny story, he was put on the box unknowingly by the diary company, but he was actually greek and got mad. He sued them for 50 million Swedish crowns. But I think they settled and now they're selling greek yoghurt too lol

That stache is so manly it's its own legal representation.  Even Sean Connery couldn't sport that thing.

[Cleanest Natural]

Sev, I am assuming "pulpa" is octopus?

a cut of beef

[Tapeworm]

a cut of beef

a squeeky queef

[Da Freak]

for once an informative GB thread. keep it going boys...

[El Diablo Blanco]

for once an informative GB thread. keep it going boys...

sorry about that

[Cleanest Natural]

Define 'being in shape'; a swimmer/runner who wants to be able to cover 100km is going to benefit from being keto-adapted. A weightlifter/crossfitter/interval trainer is not.

There is a big difference between being in ketosis a few days a week for optimal fat burning while maintaining some glycogen reserve, and being keto-adapted for long term fat-ketone use.

we are on a bodybuilding board Einstein ..

[galeniko]

i think a carbo loading has good benefits at times.

sure the fatloss will be stopped right there, but its ok, when shredded, you need them at times.

[TEMPER]

I disagree wholeheartedly. Carb ups are not carb ups but an excuse to eat carbs .. the end result is what matters. Being in shape.

Whe you stay on zero carbs a few weeks the body starts working like a machine if you know your nutrition. Burns fat efficiently and it's a powerful detoxifier.

Carbing up overstimulates the pancreas, fucks you up a for a little while, confuses the body etc... you need the same thing day in and day out then the body regulates intself as far as fat burning is concerned.

Dude you talk down to people a lot. And most of the time they deserve it, but now you're talking out of your ass.

I don't know how they do things in Romania, but here in the American scientific community you better be able to back up the things you claim. There is tons of evidence out there that going on keto for too long and you will find yourself eating 1,500 cal or less per day and still not making progress this is totally fucked.

So very well educated people studied this and found that too long on keto and your body shuts down important hormones namely leptin, insulin, and ghrelin thus halting fat loss. Way too complex for me to explain.

Read "The Carbnite Solution" by Kiefer. This man knows the actual science behind what he claims and can back it up..Unlike you.



Dude honestly you got lean one time, and I attribute that mostly to drugs and a low cal diet...You weren't anywhere near shredded stage shape either..So please stop acting like you're some fucking expert guru on all things because you got to 6% bodyfat once in your skinny-fat Romanian lifetime...There are people who eat 500g of carbs a day and stay leaner than you, at your leanest, year round...

[njflex]

Dude you talk down to people a lot. And most of the time they deserve it, but now you're talking out of your ass.

I don't know how they do things in Romania, but here in the American scientific community you better be able to back up the things you claim. There is tons of evidence out there that going on keto for too long and you will find yourself eating 1,500 cal or less per day and still not making progress this is totally fucked.

So very well educated people studied this and found that too long on keto and your body shuts down important hormones namely leptin, insulin, and ghrelin thus halting fat loss. Way too complex for me to explain.

Read "The Carbnite Solution" by Kiefer. This man knows the actual science behind what he claims and can back it up..Unlike you.



Dude honestly you got lean one time, and I attribute that mostly to drugs and a low cal diet...You weren't anywhere near shredded stage shape either..So please stop acting like you're some fucking expert guru on all things because you got to 6% bodyfat once in your skinny-fat Romanian lifetime...There are people who eat 500g of carbs a day and stay leaner than you, at your leanest, year round...

[visualizeperfection]

Dude you talk down to people a lot. And most of the time they deserve it, but now you're talking out of your ass.

I don't know how they do things in Romania, but here in the American scientific community you better be able to back up the things you claim. There is tons of evidence out there that going on keto for too long and you will find yourself eating 1,500 cal or less per day and still not making progress this is totally fucked.

So very well educated people studied this and found that too long on keto and your body shuts down important hormones namely leptin, insulin, and ghrelin thus halting fat loss. Way too complex for me to explain.

Read "The Carbnite Solution" by Kiefer. This man knows the actual science behind what he claims and can back it up..Unlike you.



Dude honestly you got lean one time, and I attribute that mostly to drugs and a low cal diet...You weren't anywhere near shredded stage shape either..So please stop acting like you're some fucking expert guru on all things because you got to 6% bodyfat once in your skinny-fat Romanian lifetime...There are people who eat 500g of carbs a day and stay leaner than you, at your leanest, year round...

[TEMPER]

Dude you talk down to people a lot. And most of the time they deserve it, but now you're talking out of your ass.

I don't know how they do things in Romania, but here in the American scientific community you better be able to back up the things you claim. There is tons of evidence out there that going on keto for too long and you will find yourself eating 1,500 cal or less per day and still not making progress this is totally fucked.

So very well educated people studied this and found that too long on keto and your body shuts down important hormones namely leptin, insulin, and ghrelin thus halting fat loss. Way too complex for me to explain.

Read "The Carbnite Solution" by Kiefer. This man knows the actual science behind what he claims and can back it up..Unlike you.



Dude honestly you got lean one time, and I attribute that mostly to drugs and a low cal diet...You weren't anywhere near shredded stage shape either..So please stop acting like you're some fucking expert guru on all things because you got to 6% bodyfat once in your skinny-fat Romanian lifetime...There are people who eat 500g of carbs a day and stay leaner than you, at your leanest, year round...

[cephissus]

Thanks for the posts guys!  Great post pork chop!

[Skorp1o]

Any opinions from those who compete and jump on stage in low single digits? every competing bodybuilder I know off carb cycles to contest, when nearing the contest they go very low. I have an IFBB pro who is a personal friend and he carb cycles, I come on getbig and everyone is going Keto no loading no breaks, just straight up 

Everytime I cut I carb cycled, the re-load I was told kick starts you metablism and replnishes glycogen which is well needed for hormonal balance and anabolism.

[Wolfox]

Any opinions from those who compete and jump on stage in low single digits? every competing bodybuilder I know off carb cycles to contest, when nearing the contest they go very low. I have an IFBB pro who is a personal friend and he carb cycles, I come on getbig and everyone is going Keto no loading no breaks, just straight up  

Everytime I cut I carb cycled, the re-load I was told kick starts you metablism and replnishes glycogen which is well needed for hormonal balance and anabolism.

Different boards have different dogma trends. All it takes is 1 asshat and a bunch of retards looking for someone to follow... and BOOM... a guru is born.

[Cleanest Natural]

lol @ TEMPER

another getbig "specialist" in diets and especially quoting "studies" hahahaha you gotta love it .. I call this the Apenis Crew

[kyomu]

Many people say that they dont eat any carbs.
But, they are all fat. Why? Because they are liers.
If somebody do no carbs 3 weeks, this person gets lean without exceptions.

[Cleanest Natural]

Many people say that they dont eat any carbs.
But, they are all fat. Why? Because they are liers.
If somebody do no carbs 3 weeks, this person gets lean without exceptions.

Bingo

stay on no carbs and after a few weeks you lean out much more efficient

my argument from experience is that no carb dieting eliminates cravings

that's why I use it and also my clients eat the same way

from my experience is the best way to diet and detox

there are more ways to skin a cat so to speak

[gatts]

I disagree wholeheartedly. Carb ups are not carb ups but an excuse to eat carbs .. the end result is what matters. Being in shape.

Whe you stay on zero carbs a few weeks the body starts working like a machine if you know your nutrition. Burns fat efficiently and it's a powerful detoxifier.

Carbing up overstimulates the pancreas, fucks you up a for a little while, confuses the body etc... you need the same thing day in and day out then the body regulates intself as far as fat burning is concerned.

I respect your point but do not agree.
I found to have "carb ups" or cheat meal (once a week or every 4th) absolutely essential to keep progress on. I don't crave anything as you said before on low carb diet, but having a cheat meal once in a while does the trick of speeding up the meatabolism... I do believe that it could even be more effective than taking t3... And it saves you from the "post contest" sugar overdose because you have those goodies in small amounts during all journey...
I think why most of the followers of keto type of diets deny the cheat meals is because its "hardcore" to diet 12 weeks on meat, fish and oil... but is it the smarter decision?
Being hardcore is steeping on stage ripped to the bone with the most muscle mass possible 

[BigCyp]

Many people say that they dont eat any carbs.
But, they are all fat. Why? Because they are liers.
If somebody do no carbs 3 weeks, this person gets lean without exceptions.

WHAT KYOMU? YOU MEAN THE OBESE MIDDLE AGE WOMEN IN MY OFFICE ARE ACTUALLY SECRETLY EATING WHOLE TUBS OF PRINGLES AND COOKIES EVERY NIGHT, WHILE MAINTAINING THE FACADE OF 'COUNTING POINTS' DIET SYSTEMS IN THE OFFICE, AND THE LETTUCE AND EGG SALAD THEY HAVE FOR LUNCH IS JUST A COVER UP?

[Cleanest Natural]

I respect your point but do not agree.
I found to have "carb ups" or cheat meal (once a week or every 4th) absolutely essential to keep progress on. I don't crave anything as you said before on low carb diet, but having a cheat meal once in a while does the trick of speeding up the meatabolism... I do believe that it could even be more effective than taking t3... And it saves you from the "post contest" sugar overdose because you have those goodies in small amounts during all journey...
I think why most of the followers of keto type of diets deny the cheat meals is because its "hardcore" to diet 12 weeks on meat, fish and oil... but is it the smarter decision?
Being hardcore is steeping on stage ripped to the bone with the most muscle mass possible 

Yes, it's the smarted decision and it's more natural for the body. When dieting, consistency is key. Not just for the end result but also for reducing gland production fluctuations that in turn stir up emotions that fry the nervous system. My argument goes beyond the apparent.

But if you get ripped that way more power to you.

On stage, one needs to find a compromise: either ripped to the bone and a little smaller flatter or full big with less "rippedness". Not possible to have both. Personally I prefer sacrificing size for cuts in order to create a better illusion.

[sososue]

Yes, it's the smarted decision and it's more natural for the body. When dieting, consistency is key. Not just for the end result but also for reducing gland production fluctuations that in turn stir up emotions that fry the nervous system. My argument goes beyond the apparent.

But if you get ripped that way more power to you.

On stage, one needs to find a compromise: either ripped to the bone and a little smaller flatter or full big with less "rippedness". Not possible to have both. Personally I prefer sacrificing size for cuts in order to create a better illusion.

Struth....