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Title: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: Disgusted on December 24, 2005, 03:54:05 PM
Through out most of this my sources have been dead on, but I still want to clarify that this is NOT official. According to the forensic evidence that has been gathered so far, there is strong possibility that Kelly was the one who actually committed that murder of Melissa James. When I actually started to put most of this together as far as timeline and from what I have heard thus far this actually makes more sense to me. Why would Craig put her up in a hotel room and buy her a plain ticket if he was going to kill her. More to come.
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: pumpster on December 24, 2005, 04:04:02 PM
Makes sense.

Craig could be out for the 2014 Masters.
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: Disgusted on December 24, 2005, 04:49:35 PM
Something just doesn't add up  ???


"Maura James said her daughter never mentioned being romantically involved with Titus, who married Ryan in Clark County in June 2000. Melissa James, who was a model and former dance instructor, had lived with the bodybuilders in Southern California several years ago.

Titus asked Melissa James to move to Las Vegas about two months ago, and she accepted, her mother said.

In the days before her death, James told her mother that she and Ryan were not getting along. She said she was staying at a hotel.

"I said, 'Why?' She said, 'Well, Kelly is flipping out and acting crazy,'•" Maura James said.

Titus booked the hotel room for two nights, from Dec. 12 to Dec. 14, and paid for it with a credit card belonging to Emperor Enterprises, a company he and Ryan own, according to police.

"He said he had spent most of one night with James at her room," investigators said in the report, quoting Titus.

Titus also paid for James' plane ticket home, her mother said."
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: WiseGuy on December 24, 2005, 04:56:40 PM
Through out most of this my sources have been dead on, but I still want to clarify that this is NOT official. According to the forensic evidence that has been gathered so far, there is strong possibility that Kelly was the one who actually committed that murder of Melissa James. When I actually started to put most of this together as far as timeline and from what I have heard thus far this actually makes more sense to me. Why would Craig put her up in a hotel room and buy her a plain ticket if he was going to kill her. More to come.

uh if it is the case you know what her defense will be roid rage......   ::)


you know she will do a tell all of the fitness industry telling the jury she was forced to take it to compete at that level..

 >:(
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: Disgusted on December 24, 2005, 04:58:15 PM
uh if it is the case you know what her defense will be roid rage......   ::)


you know she will do a tell all of the fitness industry telling the jury she was forced to take it to compete at that level..

 >:(


Maybe but a jury will never believe it.
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: Neve on December 24, 2005, 05:25:53 PM
i posted this earlier today and it got deleted

Through out most of this my sources have been dead on, but I still want to clarify that this is NOT official. According to the forensic evidence that has been gathered so far, there is strong possibility that Kelly was the one who actually committed that murder of Melissa James. When I actually started to put most of this together as far as timeline and from what I have heard thus far this actually makes more sense to me. Why would Craig put her up in a hotel room and buy her a plain ticket if he was going to kill her. More to come.
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: Disgusted on December 24, 2005, 05:27:27 PM
i posted this earlier today and it got deleted


Well, let's hope this one stays. Ron knows that I would never post anything that was just pure gossip.
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: Neve on December 24, 2005, 05:31:20 PM
it's a given kelly did it. craig will be free. i also think kelly is gonna spill the beans about the head dealers etc. this will get ugly so that she gets less time.
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: 619Rules on December 24, 2005, 05:41:27 PM
uh if it is the case you know what her defense will be roid rage......   ::)

Dont tell KR this-but that is not a defense......


Through out most of this my sources have been dead on, but I still want to clarify that this is NOT official. According to the forensic evidence that has been gathered so far, there is strong possibility that Kelly was the one who actually committed that murder of Melissa James. When I actually started to put most of this together as far as timeline and from what I have heard thus far this actually makes more sense to me. Why would Craig put her up in a hotel room and buy her a plain ticket if he was going to kill her. More to come.


Your source is wrong on this one....The murder warrants name KR as an accessory-not a principle. They have pegged CT as the actual killer. Based on the murder warrants already reviewed and issued by a judge.
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: Oliver Klaushof on December 24, 2005, 05:43:40 PM
It makes sense to when you look at Craig's last post - shortly before the killing. He seemed to be in a decent mood. Wasn't agitated at all. Maybe he didn't know what was going on.
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: Neve on December 24, 2005, 05:44:14 PM
Ya like Craig is gonna wine and dine the girl in a hotel then kill her the next day. This is such an easy case. Kelly found out about their relationship and did the doing. She was prolly on something - tripped - did it - then Craig was like a nooo we gotta jet ( after kelly found oput ).


ez case

i know its hard to believe ur girl isnt as nice as you thought

Dont tell KR this-but that is not a defense......



Your source is wrong on this one....The murder warrants name KR as an accessory-not a principle. They have pegged CT as the actual killer. Based on the murder warrats already reviewed and issued by a judge.
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: 619Rules on December 24, 2005, 05:47:24 PM
Ya like Craig is gonna wine and dine the girl in a hotel then kill her the next day. This is such an easy case. Kelly found out about their relationship and did the doing. She was prolly on something - tripped - did it - then Craig was like a nooo we gotta jet ( after kelly found oput ).


ez case

i know its hard to believe ur girl isnt as nice as you thought


Yeah..right...ok..whatev er you say.
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: Oliver Klaushof on December 24, 2005, 05:53:20 PM
Hahaha. Maybe Craig will get off. Kelly bought the kerosene. Kelly killed the girl. She was burned in Kelly's car. hahahaha. Maybe Craig isn't so dumb afterall. His bitch will be serving the real time.
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: jianjohn24 on December 24, 2005, 06:14:01 PM
Kelly may have murdered her, but it still doesn't add up. If she was upset because MJ was screwin' her man, don't you think she woulda done something to Craig as well? It doesn't make sense that she would escape w/ Craig.

Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: Neve on December 24, 2005, 06:16:06 PM
derrr you think kelly could strangle craig lol she hit the girl up

Kelly may have murdered her, but it still doesn't add up. If she was upset because MJ was screwin' her man, don't you think she woulda done something to Craig as well? It doesn't make sense that she would escape w/ Craig.


Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: Disgusted on December 24, 2005, 06:20:20 PM
Dont tell KR this-but that is not a defense......



Your source is wrong on this one....The murder warrants name KR as an accessory-not a principle. They have pegged CT as the actual killer. Based on the murder warrants already reviewed and issued by a judge.

I knew you would mention that and I have also read the arrest warrents, but this was before they had gathered knew evidence.
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: Disgusted on December 24, 2005, 06:57:28 PM
The following is some opinion and some facts that I am going to base my story on.

On Mon the 12th Craig booked Miss James into a hotel and paid for two nights. He also bought her a plane ticket so she could go back home for the holidays. Most hotels will allow you to check in sometime around 3 or 4pm. On Mon night some time around 8pm Craig made a post on Getbig. According to the police report Craig admitted to staying most of one night at the hotel with MJ. Certainly it would have had to be Mon night as MJ was killed on Teus night and both Craig and Kelly said they evicted MJ on the 13th. Craig also admits to having an affair to which is wife was unaware. I believe this, but more on that later.

The next day around noon MJ called her mom from KFC and was ordering food. She supposedly asked someone she was with what they wanted to eat. Her mom asked her who she was with but MJ did not respond to the question. MJ's mother said in an interview that MJ told her she was staying at a hotel. When she asked MJ why, her response was that Kelly had been acting crazy. Apparently that was all she said. So far there is not much here to point that Craig was mad about MJ stealing money.

I think that Craig was having an affair with MJ and Kelly found out about it and was devastated. Maybe Craig was planning on leaving Kelly, who knows. Craig and Kelly have been known to swing on occasion but people should realize that sex and love are two different things. It's one thing to have a threesome that's based purely on sex, but quite another to have a love affair behind your wife's back.

Not much is known about what went on Teus so this is speculation , but I think it is possible that Kelly went to the hotel to confront MJ and things got ugly. Supposedly there is evidence of somekind of instrument or fibers that where found around MJ's neck. Certainly Craig would not have the need to use anything but his bare hands to strangle MJ but Kelly most likely would. I think Kelly somehow strangled MJ during a fight and killed her then out of desperation called Craig. Can you imagine how a guy would feel when he found that his wife had just  killed his lover? Feeling guilty would be putting it mildly. I'm sure Craig would feel like this was his fault and would do what ever it took to protect Kelly. How many guys on this board would do the same?

When Craig and Kelly went to Mandy Polk's house Mandy had mentioned she over heard Craig and her boyfriend arguing in another room and Craig said something like, "you would have done the same thing" Was this to mean that he did all this to protect Kelly maybe because he felt that this was all his fault? Kelly told Mandy that MJ had overdosed. Then they said that she was stealing money from them.  Doesn't sound like they can get their story straight, possible because none of it was true.

Some fact, some theory and some speculation. I could be totally wrong, but if I'm not I kinda feel for Craig. Maybe he's not guilty of murder, but his guilt over an affair gone wrong will live with him forever as the lives of two women in his life are completely destroyed.

Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: 619Rules on December 24, 2005, 07:22:58 PM
This speculation is all BS...someone call up the prosecutor and get the real story! ::)
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: growthfactor on December 24, 2005, 07:24:35 PM
I think kelly killer her too... Stuipd bitch...
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: asiasbitch on December 24, 2005, 07:34:54 PM



you know she will do a tell all of the fitness industry telling the jury she was forced to take it to compete at that level..

 >:(


Gee, will that include her days as an escort for the industry fans who could afford it?
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: Disgusted on December 24, 2005, 07:36:02 PM
This speculation is all BS...someone call up the prosecutor and get the real story! ::)

This coming from someone who "supposedly" knows a thing or two about the law makes me feel pretty good.  ::)
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: asiasbitch on December 24, 2005, 07:36:56 PM
Ya like Craig is gonna wine and dine the girl in a hotel then kill her the next day.

You sure that isn't just an alibi? I wonder if the casino has video of that...
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: asiasbitch on December 24, 2005, 07:40:03 PM
This is better than most of the speculation.
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: Neve on December 24, 2005, 07:48:20 PM
Would you like to bet a name change on this ? When you're wrong will you still be here - or ?

This is an easy case.

This speculation is all BS...someone call up the prosecutor and get the real story! ::)
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: onlyme on December 24, 2005, 08:07:46 PM
Well here is my problem with Kelly doing the act.  She was strangled.  If Kelly did it alone is she that much more powerful than the other girl to easily overtake her and choke her out.  Did she get wacked in the head first or what.  Was she this much out of control to do something like this.  Isn't she spposed to be one of the nice girls in the industry.  Even if she lost it, is she capable of killing someone like that.  On the other hand Titus has a record and history.  From what I read he was doing drugs.  His lose of control is allot easier to understand than hers.  He could have got pissed off if she was trying to black mail him or something. 
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: Gregzs on December 24, 2005, 08:11:15 PM
Hahaha. Maybe Craig will get off. Kelly bought the kerosene. Kelly killed the girl. She was burned in Kelly's car. hahahaha. Maybe Craig isn't so dumb afterall. His bitch will be serving the real time.


Perhaps. In the article I read the kid Gross says it was Craig that torched the car. That would make him an accessory and with his prior convictions he will still rot for a while.
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: Disgusted on December 24, 2005, 08:15:39 PM
I would imagine that the police are going over the video tapes at the hotel that Melissa was staying at and checking her room for blood ect. I sure that Kelly wasn't the weakest girl out there and both her and Craig used coke and meth which could have an effect on someone's strength. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: pumpster on December 24, 2005, 08:18:46 PM
The story has a compellingly white trash flavor.

Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: knny187 on December 24, 2005, 08:21:05 PM
Well here is my problem with Kelly doing the act.  She was strangled.  If Kelly did it alone is she that much more powerful than the other girl to easily overtake her and choke her out.  Did she get wacked in the head first or what.  Was she this much out of control to do something like this.  Isn't she spposed to be one of the nice girls in the industry.  Even if she lost it, is she capable of killing someone like that.  On the other hand Titus has a record and history.  From what I read he was doing drugs.  His lose of control is allot easier to understand than hers.  He could have got pissed off if she was trying to black mail him or something. 


Onlyme & myself think to much alike....

When I read this claim....I said B.S.

Why?

Have you ever seen 2 girls struggle or fight?

The other girl was strangeled right?

Don't you think Kelly's face would be all scratched up from the resistance of a girl fighting for her life?

The pictures look fugly but no evidence of bruises or scratches.

Craig is strong enough to actually restrain a women w/o the possibility of getting marked in the face.  I am sure the two of them have been completely stripped down & pictures taken for evidence if there was a scratch found or scrape which would change Kelly as being charged for the murder.

Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: stuntmovie on December 24, 2005, 08:24:12 PM
Here's the part I'm having problems with.

Someone tell me if its been figured out earlier in one of these posts ........

Melissa was found BOUND AND GAGGED in the trunk of that Jag.

What would be the reason to bind and gag a dead body?

I asked a friend of mine who has a lot of experience in these matter and he was not familiar with the case at all but he assumes that she was either alive when she was placed in that trunk or they bound and gagged the corpse in an attempt to make it look like she was kidnapped.
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: knny187 on December 24, 2005, 08:38:00 PM
or they bound and gagged the corpse in an attempt to make it look like she was kidnapped.


Honestly Stunt....this is what I think these morons attempted to try.

It may have worked better if they stole a car or dug a hole....


but they used their own Jaguar & said someone stole it.

 ::)

I will bet the girl was dead when she was gagged & bound.

Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: BodyDropped on December 24, 2005, 08:48:59 PM
well shit
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: Gregzs on December 24, 2005, 08:50:27 PM
One of the videos here states that she was bound and choked with a noose. It does make Kelly a more likely doer.  :o

 http://www.kvvutv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4246749

Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: bigdumbbell on December 24, 2005, 08:54:47 PM
The story has a compellingly white trash flavor.



very much so
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: Slippedisc on December 24, 2005, 10:03:49 PM
the butler did it


Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: Undercover Supp Guy on December 24, 2005, 10:12:44 PM
This speculation is all BS...someone call up the prosecutor and get the real story! ::)

I'm sure he's by his phone right now waiting for your call.  Ha ha..
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: 619Rules on December 24, 2005, 10:31:28 PM
Would you like to bet a name change on this ? When you're wrong will you still be here - or ?

This is an easy case.


Lets see now, I have been here a year and a half and have 4000 posts....Neve the psychic has been here 2 days and has 17 posts...HHmmmm....who will be here in the futire...Gee, I don't know.........Mr. Psychic-help me out here OK.
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: Oliver Klaushof on December 24, 2005, 10:34:14 PM
Kelly may have murdered her, but it still doesn't add up. If she was upset because MJ was screwin' her man, don't you think she woulda done something to Craig as well? It doesn't make sense that she would escape w/ Craig.



No. Don't you watch Jerry Springer? White trash always blame the other woman.

I think it's a travesty of justice if we rush to convict Titus. Titus last post on Getbig proved he was of sound mind. Kelly has proven herself to be nuts when she stopped for a pedicure while fleeing the law, when she used her credit card to purchase kerosene, and when she allowed the body to be torched in her own car. All signs point to a drug addled Kelly committing the crime, fueled by jealousy, and anger at Melissa's identity theft.

Craig was even calm enough apparently to grant an interview and admit the affair before he went cross-country with his wife. Sounds like Craig was also aware of Kelly's motivations.
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: Disgusted on December 24, 2005, 10:41:59 PM
Hey Rob, if your going to quote me on your site no problem, just reference were you got it and who posted it please. Thanks
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: testicles on December 24, 2005, 10:44:28 PM
Something just doesn't add up ???


"Maura James said her daughter never mentioned being romantically involved with Titus, who married Ryan in Clark County in June 2000. Melissa James, who was a model and former dance instructor, had lived with the bodybuilders in Southern California several years ago.

Titus asked Melissa James to move to Las Vegas about two months ago, and she accepted, her mother said.

In the days before her death, James told her mother that she and Ryan were not getting along. She said she was staying at a hotel.

"I said, 'Why?' She said, 'Well, Kelly is flipping out and acting crazy,'•" Maura James said.

Titus booked the hotel room for two nights, from Dec. 12 to Dec. 14, and paid for it with a credit card belonging to Emperor Enterprises, a company he and Ryan own, according to police.

"He said he had spent most of one night with James at her room," investigators said in the report, quoting Titus.

Titus also paid for James' plane ticket home, her mother said."


are we sure that craig paid for these things ... or did she pay for them with the company credit card??
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: 240 is Back on December 24, 2005, 10:47:05 PM
Hey Rob, if your going to quote me on your site no problem, just reference were you got it and who posted it please. Thanks

u got it. use the GB screen name?
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: Disgusted on December 24, 2005, 10:51:12 PM
I thought the same thing in the beginning. The room and ticket was charged to Craig's business card.(Emperor Ent.?) He admitted to the police that he paid for her hotel. I mentioned to a friend last night that I wouldn't be surprised if Kelly had done the killing and now with the new info I am almost totally convinced. I have also heard a few things about Kelly that if true, really shocked me. I don't want to say what since I don't know if I should , but I will ask if it is OK to post here.
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: Oliver Klaushof on December 24, 2005, 10:53:11 PM
I thought the same thing in the beginning. The room and ticket was charged to Craig's business card.(Emperor Ent.?) He admitted to the police that he paid for her hotel. I mentioned to a friend last night that I wouldn't be surprised if Kelly had done the killing and now with the new info I am almost totally convinced. I have also heard a few things about Kelly that if true, really shocked me. I don't want to say what since I don't know if I should , but I will ask if it is OK to post here.

Bring it to the table.
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: Disgusted on December 24, 2005, 10:54:21 PM
u got it. use the GB screen name?

That's fine. Thanks
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: Oliver Klaushof on December 24, 2005, 10:56:52 PM
Post the info Disgusted. After all this is News and Rumors
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: Disgusted on December 24, 2005, 10:57:45 PM
Bring it to the table.

It was something very mean that she did to another competitor, but I do not want to say until it is verified. I hate to post anything like this unless I have tried to verifiy it to a degree. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: 240 is Back on December 24, 2005, 11:01:19 PM
That's fine. Thanks

done. sorry man. i am working a million miles an hour trying to stay on top of this case.
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: Disgusted on December 24, 2005, 11:03:16 PM
done. sorry man. i am working a million miles an hour trying to stay on top of this case.

Not a problem bro, Thanks.  Gotta go now, I think I here someone on my roof.  ;D
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: Oliver Klaushof on December 24, 2005, 11:04:02 PM
Not a problem bro, Thanks.  Gotta go now, I think I here someone on my roof.  ;D

haha. Well ok..
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on December 25, 2005, 12:57:16 AM
The story has a compellingly white trash flavor.



I guess that means Reese Witherspoon will be playing Kelly.
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: bigdumbbell on December 25, 2005, 04:23:36 AM
No. Don't you watch Jerry Springer? White trash always blame the other woman.

I think it's a travesty of justice if we rush to convict Titus. Titus last post on Getbig proved he was of sound mind. Kelly has proven herself to be nuts when she stopped for a pedicure while fleeing the law, when she used her credit card to purchase kerosene, and when she allowed the body to be torched in her own car. All signs point to a drug addled Kelly committing the crime, fueled by jealousy, and anger at Melissa's identity theft.

Craig was even calm enough apparently to grant an interview and admit the affair before he went cross-country with his wife. Sounds like Craig was also aware of Kelly's motivations.

kelly determined the amount of lighter fluid to 'do the job?'
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: sarcasm on December 25, 2005, 07:56:16 AM
Well here is my problem with Kelly doing the act.  She was strangled.  If Kelly did it alone is she that much more powerful than the other girl to easily overtake her and choke her out.  Did she get wacked in the head first or what.  Was she this much out of control to do something like this.  Isn't she spposed to be one of the nice girls in the industry.  Even if she lost it, is she capable of killing someone like that.  On the other hand Titus has a record and history.  From what I read he was doing drugs.  His lose of control is allot easier to understand than hers.  He could have got pissed off if she was trying to black mail him or something. 
i was gonna say can't the coroner determine if the killer was male or female by the amount of force used in the strangulation, it doesn't seem plausible that a woman would kill another woman this way, i would think that a woman would just shoot her.
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: Hurricane Beef ! on December 25, 2005, 08:22:25 AM
Yeah..right...ok..whatever you say.

I am growing tired of you close minded comments and childish posts, Ron.

Big Ronnie Abston MBA, LLB.
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: johnnytosh on December 25, 2005, 08:47:46 AM
Through out most of this my sources have been dead on, but I still want to clarify that this is NOT official. According to the forensic evidence that has been gathered so far, there is strong possibility that Kelly was the one who actually committed that murder of Melissa James. When I actually started to put most of this together as far as timeline and from what I have heard thus far this actually makes more sense to me. Why would Craig put her up in a hotel room and buy her a plain ticket if he was going to kill her. More to come.

I agree with you.  Craig is not that stupid..

1) Why would Craig be afraid of prosecution for "whatever" MJ was gonna tell on him for (drug use)(cheating), but NOT afraid of getting life in prison for Murder ?

2) CT & KR were swingers, so Craig would not be afraid of Kelly finding out he was intimate with MJ.

3) Why would Kelly abscond with Craig if she was innocent ? There is no way that she would go along with him if he was the monster we have automatically assumed.. You see, to think that "innocent" Kelly Ryan wants to throw her life away by running off to another country with Craig- RIGHT after she just found out he was cheating on her, AND, after seeing him choke a girl he loved to death, makes no sense at all.

4) CT has already been to prison (as have I also) and WOULD NOT do something so stupid as choking a girl to death.  Kelly has never been up the road  and doesn't understand the ramifications of her actions..  I was arrested for a drug charge years ago, and did 8 months in jail. That is the reason I DO NOT mess with drugs anymore.. But when I try to warn some people I know to quit dealing drugs, because they have never been in troulble, they think they are indestuctable and continue to deal.

5)  Craig was trying to give James shelter and get her back home because it was all blowing up in his face. He was thinking clearly-until Kelly choked her out.

6)  The murder warrant was issued for Craig simply because Gross told police about their trip in the desert, AND, because Titus had a felony record..  NOT BECAUSE the detectives already figured out who did it..

7) Kelly told her friend she found MJ dead (OD'd).  IF Titus has killed her, Kelly
     WOULD NOT be telling people that she found Her..

8)  Kelly did the most to change her appearance.

9)  Kelly on Crystal Meth could choke her out without working up a sweat..

10) Craig Titus may have a record for drugs, which is a VICTIMLESS CRIME !!
      But that does not automatically mean that he is capable of strangling a   
      woman..

We will see, but My money is that someone other than Craig Titus did the killing...
Titis DID NOT do this. The Crystal meth & Kelly did...
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: Disgusted on December 25, 2005, 09:04:30 AM
I don't think it was an actual noose that they found around her neck, but someting was around it.
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: vinnyvee on December 25, 2005, 09:14:26 AM
Well here is my problem with Kelly doing the act.  She was strangled.  If Kelly did it alone is she that much more powerful than the other girl to easily overtake her and choke her out.  Did she get wacked in the head first or what.  Was she this much out of control to do something like this.  Isn't she spposed to be one of the nice girls in the industry.  Even if she lost it, is she capable of killing someone like that.  On the other hand Titus has a record and history.  From what I read he was doing drugs.  His lose of control is allot easier to understand than hers.  He could have got pissed off if she was trying to black mail him or something. 

Agreed. I mean I look at the cameo from the two of them in Jay's "N/Improved & Beyond" and you watch Kelly hamin around w/the camera and ya just cant picture her doing this. I'm not saying it's not possible just hard to fathom...
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: jianjohn24 on December 25, 2005, 10:55:05 AM
Kelly probably did it, it's not very hard to apply a rear naked choke on someone w/out getting any marks on yourself.
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: 619Rules on December 25, 2005, 11:02:22 AM
I am very gay and would ove to suck your dick, Ron.

Big Ronnie Abston MBA, LLB.

Sorry-I am not gay Hurricane.
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: bigdumbbell on December 25, 2005, 11:19:11 AM
since when do you have to be gay to get blown
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: Tre on December 25, 2005, 11:37:43 AM
This speculation is all BS...someone call up the prosecutor and get the real story! ::)

I want to interview Mr. Titus.  He needs a PR guy that can communicate with this community.  I don't come cheap, but I am available. :)
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: Tre on December 25, 2005, 11:41:12 AM
It was something very mean that she did to another competitor, but I do not want to say until it is verified. I hate to post anything like this unless I have tried to verifiy it to a degree. Stay tuned.

If it didn't involve steel pipes or kneecaps, it's probably not all that interesting.
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: bigdumbbell on December 25, 2005, 11:41:53 AM
stop muscling in on 240s turf
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: 240 is Back on December 25, 2005, 11:46:19 AM
Tre is the marketing guru and I would defer to him if asked.

I just like to bring info together and make sure supplements/gear aren't attacked in this, and the criminals remain the focus.
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: Tre on December 25, 2005, 11:47:54 AM
As of this moment, I'm still operating under the assumption that this was an accidental death and a really bad attempt at a cover-up. 

For all we know, the girl could've died during a consensual sex act and there are probably a dozen or more people who'd testify that Craig & Kelly were into bondage and sexual asphyxiation.  Maybe they were all under the influence and maybe Kelly choked Melissa while Craig was giving her oral sex, or vice-versa. 

If that's the truth, then they need to tell it. 

619 - should defense counsel ask for the entire story or should they ask no questions at all and just start weaving a shroud of reasonable doubt based on what they do know so far? 
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: Tre on December 25, 2005, 11:51:18 AM
Tre is the marketing guru and I would defer to him if asked.

I just like to bring info together and make sure supplements/gear aren't attacked in this, and the criminals remain the focus.

*smile*

I can certainly appreciate the commercial value of this story, but what I want most right now is an aggressive defense for both Craig & Kelly.  The ultimate truth is important to me, but making sure they get a fair trial is my biggest concern.  I understand how important it can be to influence public opinion and that's why I'm interested in interviewing Mr. Titus so that his story can be told.  His attorney might not agree, though. 
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: bigdumbbell on December 25, 2005, 12:03:02 PM
ok  #!   who are their legal representatives?
name
email  etc
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: Neve on December 25, 2005, 12:29:35 PM
Let's see here. I would win - therfore you would have to change your name.

This whole board is laughing at you.

Craig did not kill her.

Once it's announced you will not post here anymore OR come back with an alias.

P. Neve

Lets see now, I have been here a year and a half and have 4000 posts....Neve the psychic has been here 2 days and has 17 posts...HHmmmm....who will be here in the futire...Gee, I don't know.........Mr. Psychic-help me out here OK.
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: Hurricane Beef ! on December 25, 2005, 01:09:50 PM
Lets see now, I have been here a year and a half and have 4000 posts....Neve the psychic has been here 2 days and has 17 posts...HHmmmm....who will be here in the futire...Gee, I don't know.........Mr. Psychic-help me out here OK.

Are you for real, son? Can your Daddy beat up his Daddy too . . .

Big Ronnie Abston MBA, LLB
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: Disgusted on December 25, 2005, 02:02:30 PM
Worthy of note.


What are the signs and symptms of Methamphetamine use?

Effects:

In large doses, methamphetamine's frequent effects are irritability, aggressive behavior, anxiety, excitement, auditory hallucinations, and paranoia (delusions and psychosis). Abusers tend to be violent. Mood changes are common, and the abuser can rapidly change from friendly to hostile. The paranoia produced by methamphetamine use results in suspiciousness, hyperactive behavior, and dramatic mood swings.

"Long-term meth use can lead to psychosis that mimics paranoid schizophrenia"
Dr. Richard Wise of Pathways Treatment Center in Kalispell

 
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: FOR REAL on December 25, 2005, 02:49:51 PM
Kelly as the killer is an interesting scenario... I could see things happening that way also...

Being that the coroner has officially said the cause of death appears to be asphyxiation, we can pretty much rule out a drug OD... So someone strangled her... Obviously Kelly or Craig did it..

In an act of rage with drugs involved, either one could have killed her, intentionally or by accident.. Maybe she was choked intentionally with no plans of actually killing her? After realizing what had happened, they obviously panicked and quickly disposed of the body in a very careless manner..

Someone said "Kelly wouldnt be strong enough to choke a girl to death?" Give me a break, im sure the girl was an average in shape female, kelly being a strong fitness girl would have no problem doing that.. Also, someone made a post about Craig taking the blame for Kelly's actions? I hardly think a man of Craigs character would stand up and do that.. When it's time for Craig to talk, i am sure he will point ALL the blame on kelly to save his own ass..

Either way, it is a very sad day for MJ and her family, and now both Craig and Kelly will have to pay for their crimes...
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: french mistake on December 25, 2005, 02:59:48 PM
But he made plane reservations.

That clears him. Kelly did it. Craig was just this innocent bystander that happened to be screwing the pesron he made the plane reservations for. In this whole thing, the  smart train left the station long ago without Kelly and Craig.

So if you were found out shorting the cash drawer, and the person you were shorting told you that they made plane reservations, would you call up to confirm? Then one last screw for old times.

Kelly knew where every molecule of crap that could stick to Craig was, and she let him know it. Done deal.
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: FOR REAL on December 25, 2005, 09:15:28 PM
Just cause he bought a plane ticket doesnt mean he is an innocent man.. Maybe he bought the ticket to try and prove he had intentions of letting her go? Maybe she bought the plane ticket with his credit card? Or maybe he choked her after he bought the ticket, and accidentally killed her?!

3 scenarios that certainly most be looked about before thinking the purchase of a plane ticket could be grounds to prove his innocence.
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: onlyme on December 25, 2005, 11:57:14 PM
I still think it was the maid and she did it with a candlestick in the library
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: Outraged on December 26, 2005, 01:21:22 AM
*smile*

I can certainly appreciate the commercial value of this story, but what I want most right now is an aggressive defense for both Craig & Kelly.  The ultimate truth is important to me, but making sure they get a fair trial is my biggest concern.  I understand how important it can be to influence public opinion and that's why I'm interested in interviewing Mr. Titus so that his story can be told.  His attorney might not agree, though. 


Public opinion doesn't mean a darn thing right now! The ONLY opinion that will be of any importance is that of 12 men & women on a Nevada jury.
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: Tre on December 26, 2005, 07:59:01 AM
Public opinion doesn't mean a darn thing right now! The ONLY opinion that will be of any importance is that of 12 men & women on a Nevada jury.

And where do you think juries come from?  If this was an accident (and that's the belief I'm operating under), then I want that known as soon as possible.  The prosecution side has already begun trying its case in the media - the defense would be foolish not to follow suit.
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: bigdumbbell on December 26, 2005, 08:03:39 AM
but if a prospective juror has views on the case he/she could get shit canned during voir dire phase of jury selection.  beware what you hope for.
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: Tre on December 26, 2005, 08:09:41 AM
but if a prospective juror has views on the case he/she could get shit canned during voir dire phase of jury selection.  beware what you hope for.

Believe it or not, there are people out there who actually try to get onto juries and will do anything to be selected, up to and including being deceptive during the selection process.  It may not seem logical, but it does happen.  Even still, you still want the most positive spin out there, whether or not a potential juror forms an opinion of guilt or innocence. 
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: bigdumbbell on December 26, 2005, 08:56:51 AM
beware of flamboyance in this area
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: Tre on December 26, 2005, 09:19:18 AM
beware of flamboyance in this area

Point well-taken.
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: Norton on December 26, 2005, 12:08:17 PM
Tre is the marketing guru and I would defer to him if asked.

I just like to bring info together and make sure supplements/gear aren't attacked in this, and the criminals remain the focus.

What a noble person you are. The story is not as simple as that. And if that is your goal you're doing a shitty job.
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: Tre on December 26, 2005, 12:37:19 PM
What a noble person you are. The story is not as simple as that. And if that is your goal you're doing a shitty job.

We're all fans here and anyone who's posting at all is doing so because they care.  But as with anything in life, we all care about different things.  I don't have any problems at all with those people who are going to capitalize on this situation, whether it be increased notoriety, money, or anything else.  That's the way tragedies work - some people suffer, other people benefit - and this case is no exception. 

So many posters' agenda is to vilify the couple and they are certainly free to express those opinions.  My personal agenda is to see Craig & Kelly get a fair trial, both in the courtroom and in the court of public opinion.  If my belief that this was an accident gone horribly wrong turns out to be incorrect, then I'll be the first to admit it.  But for now, they are innocent of the primary charges against them. 
Title: Re: Breaking news!(unofficial) Kelly the killer?
Post by: MisterGX on December 26, 2005, 12:51:15 PM
uh if it is the case you know what her defense will be roid rage......   ::)


you know she will do a tell all of the fitness industry telling the jury she was forced to take it to compete at that level..

 >:(


More like Meth Amphetamines.
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: Fitchick on December 27, 2005, 03:22:42 PM
I don't think it was an actual noose that they found around her neck, but someting was around it.
Perhaps the cloth was used to create a makeshift Garrotte???
A garrote (alternative spellings include garotte and garrotte) is a handheld weapon, most often referring to a ligature of chain, rope, or wire used to strangle someone to death. This was the tactic commonly employed by the Thugs and is sometimes used in assassination.
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: bigdumbbell on December 27, 2005, 03:26:40 PM
i read the throat was ligated
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: WiseGuy on December 28, 2005, 11:59:21 AM
Through out most of this my sources have been dead on, but I still want to clarify that this is NOT official. According to the forensic evidence that has been gathered so far, there is strong possibility that Kelly was the one who actually committed that murder of Melissa James. When I actually started to put most of this together as far as timeline and from what I have heard thus far this actually makes more sense to me. Why would Craig put her up in a hotel room and buy her a plain ticket if he was going to kill her. More to come.

funny eh if she did it and then she was getting her nails done to what?

conceal evidence of her nails being torn?

 ???
Title: Re: Breaking news! (unofficial) Is Kelly the killer?
Post by: Biggrnyou on December 28, 2005, 12:27:50 PM
Accident gone wrong theory doesn't seem to add up either....
Why dispose of body in this way, why run???
ANSWER: DRUGS ;D