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1. Dexter Jackson
2. Ben Pakulski
3. Toney Freeman
4. Johnnie Jackson
5. Hidetada Yamagishi
6. Cedric McMillan
7. Fred Smalls
8. Edward Nunn
9. Darrem Charles
10. Fouad Abiad
11. Marcus Haley
12. Michael Kefalianos
13. Ronny Rockel
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Good for Big Ben. I said to watch out for him. And Darrem Charles got 9th, that is good for someone who has been competing as a Pro since the early to mid 90s.
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Good for Big Ben. I said to watch out for him. And Darrem Charles got 9th, that is good for someone who has been competing as a Pro since the early to mid 90s.
Ben brought it big time, he has flaws but his strong points are insane, mainly his quad sweep combined with his wide shoulders, he needs to control the stomach though and bring up his back a bit more, he is still young too.
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1st Callout at Prejudging
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can some one please shop him green?
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Is it all oil in Ben's bis and tris ???
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Is it all oil in Ben's bis and tris ???
I do not think so cause his arms look smaller then any other muscle group of his and they have never noticeably jumped in size from show to show, in fact everything else has grown except his arms, I was there at his first bodybuilding show ever and his arms have probably only gained an inch and half since his very first show
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1st Callout at Prejudging
dex's abs look somehow bloated "for his normal"..
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dex's abs look somehow bloated "for his normal"..
Ya the stomach was from eating, he must of been behind on his carb loading and probably ate a lot at the last minute
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According to "The IFBB Pro Olympia Qualification Series "
1. Dexter Jackson (qualified)
2. Ben Pakulski, 8 Points
3. Toney Freeman, 7 Points
4. Johnnie Jackson, 6 Points
5. Hidetada Yamagishi, 5 Points
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Good for Big Ben. I said to watch out for him. And Darrem Charles got 9th, that is good for someone who has been competing as a Pro since the early to mid 90s.
Excuse my ignorance, but what is so great about B Pak?? He looks short, and aside from his legs, there is nothing really outstanding about his build.
Oh yea, how does he support himself? Let me guess... ::)
DOC
Lift, fuck, make money
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can some one please shop him green?
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Excuse my ignorance, but what is so great about B Pak?? He looks short, and aside from his legs, there is nothing really outstanding about his build.
Oh yea, how does he support himself? Let me guess... ::)
DOC
Lift, fuck, make money
Ben is not short bro, he is nearly 6 feet, 5 11 at least and has the best legs in the biz,
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I do not think so cause his arms look smaller then any other muscle group of his and they have never noticeably jumped in size from show to show, in fact everything else has grown except his arms, I was there at his first bodybuilding show ever and his arms have probably only gained an inch and half since his very first show
Im going to have to agree on the bis..but not tris. OTH....LOOK AT HOW DRY AND LEAN HE IS...then look at this fdb...see how its washed out..its a dead giveaway....its swollen and puffy from damage......defenition is lost....
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Im going to have to agree on the bis..but not tris. OTH....LOOK AT HOW DRY AND LEAN HE IS...then look at this fdb...see how its washed out..its a dead giveaway....its swollen and puffy from damage......defenition is lost....
Ya he probably site injects there but no drastic seo, his biceps have always been smooth since his very first show
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Ya he probably site injects there but no drastic seo, his biceps have always been smooth since his very first show
Could he right...could use that stuff that flex always used to agitate the area and sweel it.
But ill tell you this much bro...been at this game tooooo long....ITS SOMETHING!
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Formebolone
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Could he right...could use that stuff that flex always used to agitate the area and sweel it.
But ill tell you this much bro...been at this game tooooo long....ITS SOMETHING!
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Of course there is something, I should have worded it differently and what I meant is he does not abuse anything like the synthol monster, everyone touches up their lagging bodyparts, that is a givan
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Ben is not short bro, he is nearly 6 feet, 5 11 at least and has the best legs in the biz,
Does standing on his toes count bro?? Lol. This guy is definitely not 6'.
DOC
Lift, fuck, make money
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Does standing on his toes count bro?? Lol. This guy is definitely not 6'.
DOC
Lift, fuck, make money
My bad he is 5 10, but he is not short
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Of course there is something, I should have worded it differently and what I meant is he does not abuse anything like the synthol monster, everyone touches up their lagging bodyparts, that is a givan
For sure!!
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Dex!!!!
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Formebolone
Hey Marine--
Yea second generation Caverject!!!
Semper Fi!!
DOC
Lift, fuck, make money
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Semper Fi, Doc!
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Prostaglandin E1 (PGE1)
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Prostaglandin E1 (PGE1)
Is that the agitator that flex use Arce?
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Excuse my ignorance, but what is so great about B Pak?? He looks short, and aside from his legs, there is nothing really outstanding about his build.
Oh yea, how does he support himself? Let me guess... ::)
DOC
Lift, fuck, make money
Ben yes has the legs and calves. But he has shoulders and a decent back. He has the "it" factor. You can see it in certain guys. Ben, Roelly, are good examples. NPC competitor Stephen Frazier is an honorable mention.
Ben has made steady progress, to me he maybe a more polished version of Mike Francois.
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can some one please shop him green?
the quality of his muscle doesn't look right...Maybe it's the lights, it looks like he's losing that striated and pop quality.
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Hide looked great...had him 3 or 4...!!
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one of the worst and less interesting AC show ever.. may be the very worst..
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Arnold sounds like he's doing a bad imitation of himself, "and all dees tings.."
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There must be plenty of room for epic denial in his head. :-\
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I didn't think Hide was going to compete.....He broke a bone in his forearm or something along those lines recently.......
So now is Dex tied for most wins or is he the title holder?
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this whole so called score card is total bullshit.if IFBB wants to show honesty post the judges placing of athletes.so people know who are the dickheads in judging penal.... Cedric out of top 3 is total nonsense.
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Posedown:
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Has this BP company been struck with a lawsuit from HP yet? Saw a shirt on Cutler. Total ripoff of their logo.
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the quality of his muscle doesn't look right...Maybe it's the lights, it looks like he's losing that striated and pop quality.
that's because he is getting old. Coleman's muscles looked the same at the end of his career.
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Posedown:
Cedric looks the best in that line up - Dexter does have the condition over him but how any of those other guys placed ahead of him is mind boggling - I like Ben but where the hell is his back ? ???
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that's because he is getting old. Coleman's muscles looked the same at the end of his career.
should he call it quits? He ain't gonna beat Phil or Kai, and Jay is coming back. And he may place behind Wolf. And possibly Shawn Rhoden as well.
Or will be try and make it 5 Arnold's next yr?
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Maybe Mayor of Bodybuilding intervened on the behalf of Cedric's competitors.
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one of the worst and less interesting AC show ever.. may be the very worst..
agreed.
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1. Dexter Jackson
2. Ben Pakulski
3. Toney Freeman
4. Johnnie Jackson
5. Hidetada Yamagishi
6. Cedric McMillan
7. Fred Smalls
8. Edward Nunn
9. Darrem Charles
10. Fouad Abiad
11. Marcus Haley
12. Michael Kefalianos
13. Ronny Rockel
kind of a weak lineup, i would have given freeman second.
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this whole so called score card is total bullshit.if IFBB wants to show honesty post the judges placing of athletes.so people know who are the dickheads in judging penal.... Cedric out of top 3 is total nonsense.
That's because you are either blind or moron. Cedric go on stage with tons of water, looking like shit, no cuts and no condition what so ever. You may be fan of his, but that doesn't matter in the score card.
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That's because you are either blind or moron. Cedric go on stage with tons of water, looking like shit, no cuts and no condition what so ever. You may be fan of his, but that doesn't matter in the score card.
The ifbb judges placed him fairly and properly, he comes on stage looking like he is 3 weeks out, I would have placed him 6th as well, fair placing. This Rajkapoor has a poor perception on what conditioning is about, he thinks guys are shredded when they are not, he does not know what shredded is.
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Lot's of water on that Cedric fella.
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A lot of trial and error with the site enhancement stuff
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A lot of trial and error with the site enhancement stuff
At that rate he will be another Palumbo before age 35.
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H
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the swami called the result :)
still ben pak is 5th tier
waist way too wide causing lack of V taper
great legs but upper body still needs more size to match legs
chest better but needs alot mroe thickness
glaring weakness are his arms, way too small for the rest of him
Yamgishi looks terrible- stage 4 palumbosim setting in, look @ his triceps atrohpy, gut distension - too late for him
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Chad Nicholls talks about Ben Pak's 2nd place finish
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That's because you are either blind or moron. Cedric go on stage with tons of water, looking like shit, no cuts and no condition what so ever. You may be fan of his, but that doesn't matter in the score card.
you wont get it because you are a dickhead like some in the panel of judges.that is why they dont post the the real judges sheet with judges placings of athletes.
judges use to go for aesthetic and structure before they consider condition.its other way around now.they are going for shredded crazy mass no matter how fucked up your aesthetic and structure is.i am not saying that cedric was on his A game becuse if he was he would have won it like walk in the park all i am saying is worst cedric is better than big gut Ben and yamagishi and how they even consider johnnie for top placings who is out of proportion to began with big upper body with chicken legs.
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you wont get it because you are a dickhead like some in the panel of judges.that is why they dont post the the real judges sheet with judges placings of athletes.
judges use to go for aesthetic and structure before they consider condition.its other way around now.they are going for shredded crazy mass no matter how fucked up your aesthetic and structure is.i am not saying that cedric was on his A game becuse if he was he would have won it like walk in the park all i am saying is worst cedric is better than big gut Ben and yamagishi and how they even consider johnnie for top placings who is out of proportion to began with big upper body with chicken legs.
It does not matter, he knew what the judges reward and he did not bring what the judges reward, the others did, especially Ben, if you want to play the game you have to play by the judges rules, plain and simple, if not then he can take up basketball, stop your whining, he was placed properly.
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It does not matter, he knew what the judges reward and he did not bring what the judges reward, the others did, especially Ben, if you want to play the game you have to play by the judges rules, plain and simple, if not then he can take up basketball, stop your whining, he was placed properly.
he is the peoples winner anyways which is most important.go on boards and no one talking about ben,yamagishi or jhonnie.cedric is all over the boards.bodybuilding audience speaking loud and clear what they want to see but some dickheads dont want to listen.you row with the flow i will say what is right.
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he is the peoples winner anyways which is most important.go on boards and no one talking about ben,yamagishi or jhonnie.cedric is all over the boards.bodybuilding audience speaking loud and clear what they want to see but some dickheads dont want to listen.you row with the flow i will say what is right.
Now you are talking, good you learned something. The judges need to change their format, I can agree with that but based on their current format he was placed properly.
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Ced is one of the most gifted BB's on the current circuit in terms of size, symmetry and structure - OTH is right - he fucked up and if he had come in sliced he would of swept the stage with that rubbish on display next to him.
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But in saying this, even though he wasn't conditioned he still looked the best on stage and should of won :D
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Ced is one of the most gifted BB's on the current circuit in terms of size, symmetry and structure - OTH is right - he fucked up and if he had come in sliced he would of swept the stage with that rubbish on display next to him.
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But in saying this, even though he wasn't conditioned he still looked the best on stage and should of won :D
That's the power of having a well balanced, proportioned physique with full muscles and good presentation - you will always look good.
Even out of shape, he looks better than the junk that we have seen so far.
People are so stupid. How did Lee Labrada manage to hang with monster like Lee Haney? How did Shawn Ray manage to not look out of place next to a massive Dorian Yates?
Balance, proportion and presentation. It made those two 'small' bodybuilders always look good and never out of place.
F**k me, it is so blindingly obvious what ought to be important in bodybuilding.
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That's the power of having a well balanced, proportioned physique with full muscles and good presentation - you will always look good.
Even out of shape, he looks better than the junk that we have seen so far.
People are so stupid. How did Lee Labrada manage to hang with monster like Lee Haney? How did Shawn Ray manage to not look out of place next to a massive Dorian Yates?
Balance, proportion and presentation. It made those two 'small' bodybuilders always look good and never out of place.
F**k me, it is so blindingly obvious what ought to be important in bodybuilding.
Horrible examples. Those 2 always came in super shredded, they never came in looking like they were 3 weeks out like Cedric
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Horrible examples. Those 2 always came in super shredded, they never came in looking like they were 3 weeks out like Cedric
Disagree.
They looked better for being in shape, for sure. But it was their aesthetic balance that made them always looking good.
Cedric was off, okay, but his shape, balance and fullness still makes hims look more interesting to look at.
I know the judging doesn't think that is enough but that is because bodybuilding judges are useless twats.
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Disagree.
They looked better for being in shape, for sure. But it was their aesthetic balance that made them always looking good.
Cedric was off, okay, but his shape, balance and fullness still makes hims look more interesting to look at.
I know the judging doesn't think that is enough but that is because bodybuilding judges are useless twats.
You disagree? OK answer this, If Shawn or Lee L came in looking 3 weeks out where would they place?..... they would drop considerably, definitely out of the top 6, same thing that happen to Cedric, no different so still horrible example.
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You disagree? OK answer this, If Shawn or Lee L came in looking 3 weeks out where would they place?..... they would drop considerably, definitely out of the top 6, same thing that happen to Cedric, no different so still horrible example.
That's a matter for what the judges think is of value in assessing a physique. And we both know judges love 'conditioning'. So it's a no-brainer that the judges would mark them down.
My argument is that even with 'poor' conditioning, a balanced and well-proportioned physique looks better than a physique without good balance but is conditioned.
Obviously the judges don't think so but they are twats.
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That's a matter for what the judges think is of value in assessing a physique. And we both know judges love 'conditioning'. So it's a no-brainer that the judges would mark them down.
My argument is that even with 'poor' conditioning, a balanced and well-proportioned physique looks better than a physique without good balance but is conditioned.
Obviously the judges don't think so but they are twats.
I hold the same view in that Cedric looks better but based on my preference not the judging criteria. So we can not complain about his placing if he knew what the judges wanted and did not bring what they wanted. Anyone would rather have Cedrics Physique over anyone elses but standing there relaxed he looked smooth as hell so he deserved what he got.
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I hold the same view in that Cedric looks better but based on my preference not the judging criteria. So we can not complain about his placing if he knew what the judges wanted and did not bring what they wanted. Anyone would rather have Cedrics Physique over anyone elses but standing there relaxed he looked smooth as hell so he deserved what he got.
Judging is twat based.
What is the ratio of value assigned to each component of judging? The scorecard doesn't help in working that one out.
Cedric's balance, proportions, size and based on the posing I saw in that short video, presentation, is so far ahead of the others, that surely it could be argued it was enough to counter his relatively poor conditioning?
If he was only a little better than the others in terms of balance etc, fair enough, his conditioning would obviously cost him. But his balance etc wasn't just a little better than everyone else's.
He seems so far ahead in that department that it makes me wonder just how on earth they consider each component and of what value they give to it.
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Well the good thing is all he has to do is come in peeled and he will win the Arnold and come in top 3 Olympia
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Well the good thing is all he has to do is come in peeled and he will win the Arnold and come in top 3 Olympia
Still doesn't change the fact that the judges are twats.
But if he wins, it would be good.
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Cedric holding too much water as I had said when they showed those pics earlier this month, Top Arnold = Top 2 Masters Olympia ??? , that Pulaski dude is an abomination...filled with oil, the only thing real about him are his quads and calves...all in all, the 'sport' still on the decline... Iceman...post some pics from the 90s.
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Now you are talking, good you learned something. The judges need to change their format, I can agree with that but based on their current format he was placed properly.
ok we agree on that 'judging format bringing bodybuilding down big time'.these should be top 3.
1-dexter
2-toney
3-cedric
if they had any sense at all.i still want to see real judging sheet.people and athletes have right to know.try to speak with some judges at your next pro show you will get the idea what you are dealing with.most of judges have no clue what the fuck they are doing.open judges sheet will expose the black sheeps.they are there because their ass kissing qualities.
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you wont get it because you are a dickhead like some in the panel of judges.that is why they dont post the the real judges sheet with judges placings of athletes.
judges use to go for aesthetic and structure before they consider condition.its other way around now.they are going for shredded crazy mass no matter how fucked up your aesthetic and structure is.i am not saying that cedric was on his A game becuse if he was he would have won it like walk in the park all i am saying is worst cedric is better than big gut Ben and yamagishi and how they even consider johnnie for top placings who is out of proportion to began with big upper body with chicken legs.
From two possible you choose to be a moron? That's fine, and just what I been waiting from the child like you. Now be a good boy and run to the IFBB site, and learn what the judges has to compare in these competitions. When you have learn that, go to Flex magazine etc. gallery and look at the pictures. Can you really see the difference among the guys in this line up? I bet you can't because you are fan, not the judge, who has to maintain his objectivity. Here is the gallery of pictures taken by Finnish IFBB judge K.P.Ourama:http://body.pictures.fi/#/kuvat/2013+Arnold+Sports+Festival/Arnold+Classic+(Mens+Bodybuilding)/Comparisons/DSC04508.JPG (http://body.pictures.fi/#/kuvat/2013+Arnold+Sports+Festival/Arnold+Classic+(Mens+Bodybuilding)/Comparisons/DSC04508.JPG) How do you place three guys from the first picture? Toney look small, soft and old, Pakulski look smooth, small and like idiot. Dexter look like a bodybuilder, not at his best, but good. Why he wins this pose? Toney has fucking ugly pec- tear, Pakulski has only left bicep, right one has gone somewhere, he has short legs, he hangs his ass and look stupid. If you look further pictures you will see some gynos, some palumboism bellies and shit like that, but not about Dexter. Judges doesn't look pictures, they look living thing at the stage, and no photos can show all what they see.
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From two possible you choose to be a moron? That's fine, and just what I been waiting from the child like you. Now be a good boy and run to the IFBB site, and learn what the judges has to compare in these competitions. When you have learn that, go to Flex magazine etc. gallery and look at the pictures. Can you really see the difference among the guys in this line up? I bet you can't because you are fan, not the judge, who has to maintain his objectivity. Here is the gallery of pictures taken by Finnish IFBB judge K.P.Ourama:http://body.pictures.fi/#/kuvat/2013+Arnold+Sports+Festival/Arnold+Classic+(Mens+Bodybuilding)/Comparisons/DSC04508.JPG (http://body.pictures.fi/#/kuvat/2013+Arnold+Sports+Festival/Arnold+Classic+(Mens+Bodybuilding)/Comparisons/DSC04508.JPG) How do you place three guys from the first picture? Toney look small, soft and old, Pakulski look smooth, small and like idiot. Dexter look like a bodybuilder, not at his best, but good. Why he wins this pose? Toney has fucking ugly pec- tear, Pakulski has only left bicep, right one has gone somewhere, he has short legs, he hangs his ass and look stupid. If you look further pictures you will see some gynos, some palumboism bellies and shit like that, but not about Dexter. Judges doesn't look pictures, they look living thing at the stage, and no photos can show all what they see.
you got to be a moron if your knowledge is based on IFBB web and FLEX MAG.i could never learn anything from these 2 great sources of knowledge.if K.P OURAMA was judging the show i like to see who he placed where.i will accept cedric 6th if he placed him 6th.how fair is that.he must have been placed out of top 6 by some dickheads to be 6th.that is why i demand to see real judging sheet not this stupid point baloney.
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ok we agree on that 'judging format bringing bodybuilding down big time'.these should be top 3.
1-dexter
2-toney
3-cedric
if they had any sense at all.i still want to see real judging sheet.people and athletes have right to know.try to speak with some judges at your next pro show you will get the idea what you are dealing with.most of judges have no clue what the fuck they are doing.open judges sheet will expose the black sheeps.they are there because their ass kissing qualities.
I might agree that the ifbb judging format can improve but reality is no matter what method of judgment they incorporate people will complain no matter what.
You like Freeman in second and Cedric in third while one third of the getbig board that agrees with you that Cedric should have placed higher says that Freeman was a complete joke, smooth, pec tear, flat etc should have been 5th...... also so many are saying Ben looked shitty cause of some noticeable oil and some bloat in his belly, while I liked his look and he impressed me, his skin was thin and dry and was shredded, had cannon delts and the best legs in the entire IFBB
You see everyone is different and everyone has different views, to think the judges need to change to cater to your view would still have the same problem of a handful of people complaining, they are in a no win situation.
BTW my preference would have still had Dex and Ben in 1st and 2nd and then Cedric third cause even if you do favor aesthetics and lines such as Cedrics he still was smooth
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What are those dark rings on the inside of Cedrics arms? Gross.
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They all look like shit (I really mean it). Hope this helps.
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you got to be a moron if your knowledge is based on IFBB web and FLEX MAG.i could never learn anything from these 2 great sources of knowledge.if K.P OURAMA was judging the show i like to see who he placed where.i will accept cedric 6th if he placed him 6th.how fair is that.he must have been placed out of top 6 by some dickheads to be 6th.that is why i demand to see real judging sheet not this stupid point baloney.
Well, if the competition is named IFBB Arnold Classic, I bet that IFBB is better source than some teenage wanker. IFBB rules, IFBB judges etc. What comes to Ourama, I bet that hes knowledge of this sport is far beyond yours: http://www.getbig.com/iview/ourama021005.htm (http://www.getbig.com/iview/ourama021005.htm). In fact, you must be imbecile if you think that you can do better judgement from the pictures, that from the actual live competition. You simply have to see those guys in stage to make any kind on opinion of the placing: http://imabodybuilder.blogspot.fi/2012/10/ifbb-pro-judging-and-fans.html (http://imabodybuilder.blogspot.fi/2012/10/ifbb-pro-judging-and-fans.html) ::)
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Backstage at the 2013 Arnold Classic and Bikini International Finals
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Well, if the competition is named IFBB Arnold Classic, I bet that IFBB is better source than some teenage wanker. IFBB rules, IFBB judges etc. What comes to Ourama, I bet that hes knowledge of this sport is far beyond yours: http://www.getbig.com/iview/ourama021005.htm (http://www.getbig.com/iview/ourama021005.htm). In fact, you must be imbecile if you think that you can do better judgement from the pictures, that from the actual live competition. You simply have to see those guys in stage to make any kind on opinion of the placing: http://imabodybuilder.blogspot.fi/2012/10/ifbb-pro-judging-and-fans.html (http://imabodybuilder.blogspot.fi/2012/10/ifbb-pro-judging-and-fans.html) ::)
you are talking but i all i hear is blah blah blah.i heard these lame excuse zillion time.......read my last post about Ourama.
look in this back stage video.its pain full to look at that pregnant guy Ben....damn you look at him and all you can see is large out of control gut which is over powering all of his physique.
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Worst Arnold Classic Ive ever seen.
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you are talking but i all i hear is blah blah blah.i heard these lame excuse zillion time.......read my last post about Ourama.
look in this back stage video.its pain full to look at that pregnant guy Ben....damn you look at him and all you can see is large out of control gut which is over powering all of his physique.
Dear moron, these guys has and will be judged by their presentation on the stage. There isn't judges in the back stage, they doesn't judge competitors by the photos taken in hotel rooms and kitchens. They look competitors at the stage, and make judging regarding what they see there. And if you hasn't be there, your view about the matter can't be same, because you do your judging from different point of view. That means they present the facts, and you present only your opinion, which is childish crap. Grow up, and pull that enormous head of yours out from your ass.
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That's a matter for what the judges think is of value in assessing a physique. And we both know judges love 'conditioning'. So it's a no-brainer that the judges would mark them down.
My argument is that even with 'poor' conditioning, a balanced and well-proportioned physique looks better than a physique without good balance but is conditioned.
Obviously the judges don't think so but they are twats.
Yes yes yes, I agree. But to a reasonable point, what is poor is hard to define.
Cedric wasn't that horrible in the night show for example next to the others.
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Dear moron, these guys has and will be judged by their presentation on the stage. There isn't judges in the back stage, they doesn't judge competitors by the photos taken in hotel rooms and kitchens. They look competitors at the stage, and make judging regarding what they see there. And if you hasn't be there, your view about the matter can't be same, because you do your judging from different point of view. That means they present the facts, and you present only your opinion, which is childish crap. Grow up, and pull that enormous head of yours out from your ass.
shut you pie hole and tell me where Ourama placed Cedric if u know.otherwise i am not interested in you mind less explanations.
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Backstage at the 2013 Arnold Classic and Bikini International Finals
The gut's are getting out of control. Only Darrem Charles and maybe Cedric had a decent waistline.
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Charles Glass talks about Dexter's win at the ASC
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shut you pie hole and tell me where Ourama placed Cedric if u know.otherwise i am not interested in you mind less explanations.
Hey asswipe, read and learn: http://npcnewsonline.com/view-from-the-judges-2013-arnold-classic/53013/ (http://npcnewsonline.com/view-from-the-judges-2013-arnold-classic/53013/)
In that page there is one of the judges talking about placings why they were what they were. I can understand his point of views 100%. When you grow up, in some point you begin to understand it also.