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That is all.
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The Devil Rays are the real deal this year. I'm sure the Boston faithful feels like the Sox will kick in into gear when they have to, but I'm not so sure. The Devil Rays have played well against good teams all season.
On another note...
My Orioles are above .500 this year and playing solid ball. It's pretty shitty to be happy about your team being a few games north of .500 but the Orioles don't exactly have a winning tradition as of late.
Oh well....the city will take what they can get...
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That is all.
Yankees are seven games back, they wont make the playoffs, redsox will. Why no yankees threads from you? ;)
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The Devil Rays are the real deal this year. I'm sure the Boston faithful feels like the Sox will kick in into gear when they have to, but I'm not so sure. The Devil Rays have played well against good teams all season.
On another note...
My Orioles are above .500 this year and playing solid ball. It's pretty shitty to be happy about your team being a few games north of .500 but the Orioles don't exactly have a winning tradition as of late.
Oh well....the city will take what they can get...
Tampa looks great, but they will go into a skid (like the sox are in now). I want to see what they do down the stretch. The sox are fine, they are still missing some guys, some guys are slumping, ortiz is out - etc....
They will heat up during the playoffs, just like they did last year.
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Yankees are seven games back, they wont make the playoffs, redsox will. Why no yankees threads from you? ;)
New York has baseball teams? This is news to me!!! The Yanks are rebuilding.
And let's be honest, Boston looks like shit. The only thing they'll be doing this year is losing in the divisional series. That is if they even make it there.
No bullpen, no one to protect Manny, Beckett with a 4.00+ ERA at home. Looking DYNAMITE!
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New York has baseball teams? This is news to me!!! The Yanks are rebuilding.
And let's be honest, Boston looks like shit. The only thing they'll be doing this year is losing in the divisional series. That is if they even make it there.
No bullpen, no one to protect Manny, Beckett with a 4.00+ ERA at home. Looking DYNAMITE!
I agree with this. :'(
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New York has baseball teams? This is news to me!!! The Yanks are rebuilding.
And let's be honest, Boston looks like shit. The only thing they'll be doing this year is losing in the divisional series. That is if they even make it there.
No bullpen, no one to protect Manny, Beckett with a 4.00+ ERA at home. Looking DYNAMITE!
The redsox are going through some tough times, but are still only 2.5 games out of the best record in baseball. The Redsox murdered the Yankees tonight in the bronx, what was it 7 - 0? How much do you want to bet the Sox play there best ball down the stretch? The sox have a bunch of guys from the farm starting ( and doing well), why can't the yankees do the same?
You had some similar comments about the Sox's starting pitching last year - when I predicted it to carry them to a title....We all know how that turned out my friend. Sox will be in first place come september, imo.
Btw, I know you g - men won it all, and they deserved it.
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I agree with this. :'(
Why, all teams go through periods when they are struggling.... It's good when it happens early in the year, and the sox have proven they play there best when it matters.
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Well Lowell just blasted a 3 run digger so the Sox are up 6-3 in game 2.....The have bullpen problems and I'm not sure who's out there to deal.
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Well Lowell just blasted a 3 run digger so the Sox are up 6-3 in game 2.....The have bullpen problems and I'm not sure who's out there to deal.
They do, but that can be said for pretty much every team in baseball. The pen is going through a rough stretch, but they will bounce back. We have the starting pitching and offense to win another title. We have a great closer, it's the middle relief guys that are struggling right now.
This is the time you want your team to go through tough times.
We have options, Masterson can move to the pen, and we can bring Clay back up. Thats the plus of having so much pitching..... A stud blue chipper - ( who already threw a no hitter), is down in the minors waiting, because we have no room.
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Hahaha, the Yanks with no pitching and slumping bats manages to take 2 of 4 from the Sox. Will Boston even make the wild card at this rate? Doubt it!
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I'm gonna send BF a giambi moustache for his birthday....
no yankee guy should go without one
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D-Rays are for real. surprised the hell out of me and the rest of the baseball world.
i think its great. nice to see someone besides the sox and yanks on top.......seeing as my blue jays suck balls >:(
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Hoping for 2 outta 2 from the Rays today. :)
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D-Rays are for real. surprised the hell out of me and the rest of the baseball world.
i think its great. nice to see someone besides the sox and yanks on top.......seeing as my blue jays suck balls >:(
Baseball Prospectus had them projected for 89 wins at the start of the season, so not everyone was surprised. They have had top picks in the draft for the last 10 years, and absolutely stole Kazmir from the Mets, so they SHOULD be good.
What they will need to do is shore up their bullpen and possibly sign Bonds or someone at the trade deadline to keep the momentum going. August can be a tough month for young pitchers.
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Hoping for 2 outta 2 from the Rays today. :)
Exactly. That would give the Yanks four straight wins, all coming at the sox and Rays' expense. Would have been five had Damon held onto the ball and for a lucky bloop hit for Varitek on a looping, weak swing on a 0-2 count.
Wang's injury is still going to be tough to overcome, but if Jeter/Cano/Abreu start gravitating toward their means, they could get by.
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I'm gonna send BF a giambi moustache for his birthday....
no yankee guy should go without one
Birthday was almost a month ago, slick. You can send me some of your HGH and test so I can sell it to high school kids instead, old man.
Those Sox are barely hanging on to 2nd place right now!
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Birthday was almost a month ago, slick. You can send me some of your HGH and test so I can sell it to high school kids instead, old man.
Those Sox are barely hanging on to 2nd place right now!
About to sweep the twins, it's 13 - 5 sox. Wait till Papi comes back. I think the Yankees problems come from, overestimating their prospects, and having a really shitty owner ;)
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D-Rays are for real. surprised the hell out of me and the rest of the baseball world.
i think its great. nice to see someone besides the sox and yanks on top.......seeing as my blue jays suck balls >:(
It's not even the all star break yet, many a flash in the pan team has faded in the second half...... I'm not say they will - just saying!
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About to sweep the twins, it's 13 - 5 sox. Wait till Papi comes back. I think the Yankees problems come from, overestimating their prospects, and having a really shitty owner ;)
? How has the owner affected anything adversely? The Yankees have the one of the best owner in baseball - one willing to put profits back onto the field instead of their own pockets. Also, they have been focusing on the draft and building the farm instead of spending recklessly.
I'm not sure what you mean about overestimating their own prospects, either. Hughes and Kennedy had poor starts but have also been hurt. Hughes' minor league numbers easily project him as a #1 and Kennedy was MiLB pitcher of the year.
That said, I still wanted to trade Hughes for Santana. Since it hasn't been done, hopefully the Yankees will use their financial leverage to grab Sabathia this offseason.
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? How has the owner affected anything adversely? The Yankees have the one of the best owner in baseball - one willing to put profits back onto the field instead of their own pockets. Also, they have been focusing on the draft and building the farm instead of spending recklessly.
I'm not sure what you mean about overestimating their own prospects, either. Hughes and Kennedy had poor starts but have also been hurt. Hughes' minor league numbers easily project him as a #1 and Kennedy was MiLB pitcher of the year.
That said, I still wanted to trade Hughes for Santana. Since it hasn't been done, hopefully the Yankees will use their financial leverage to grab Sabathia this offseason.
I was kidding about Hank, that's why I put the ;)
Hughes and Kennedy have yet to live up to their hype, injuries are a part of a players make up, and tons of players with great potential have the injury bug. Not saying that will be the fate of Kennedy and Hughes ( they are both great prospects) but it's a valid point. Does Hughes still have an era over nine? Projections are great, but show me substance at the pro level. I would take Lester and Clay over Kennedy and Hughes any day of the week , and twice on Sundays. I remember you telling me a website you where getting information from didn't have Pedrioa or Ellsbury as blue chip prospects. Dustin is going to his first all star game this year, Ellsbury played key roles in the sox world series win, and both are the future of the franchise. I want to see it on the field, you know what I mean?
I think the trade for Santana would have been a great move for the Yankees.....and they will def go after Sabathia. The Yankees are far from out of it, but I don't think they are going to contend for a title this year.
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I was kidding about Hank, that's why I put the ;)
Hughes and Kennedy have yet to live up to their hype, injuries are a part of a players make up, and tons of players with great potential have the injury bug. Not saying that will be the fate of Kennedy and Hughes ( they are both great prospects) but it's a valid point. Does Hughes still have an era over nine? Projections are great, but show me substance at the pro level. I would take Lester and Clay over Kennedy and Hughes any day of the week , and twice on Sundays. I remember you telling me a website you where getting information from didn't have Pedrioa or Ellsbury as blue chip prospects. Dustin is going to his first all star game this year, Ellsbury played key roles in the sox world series win, and both are the future of the franchise. I want to see it on the field, you know what I mean?
I think the trade for Santana would have been a great move for the Yankees.....and they will def go after Sabathia. The Yankees are far from out of it, but I don't think they are going to contend for a title this year.
Finally - baseball discussion. ;D
Lester and Buccholz over Hughes and Kennedy RIGHT NOW, yes, I would agree. Actually, maybe even going forward since Kennedy isn't supposed to be as good as either Lester or Buchholz, but I'm still going to stick to Hughes for the long haul. At the ML level, Hughes had a no hitter into the 7th vs. Texas until he pulled a hamstring, and pitched very well that September he came back, including a playoff game. This year, he sucked, but it was discovered he had cracked ribs and was trying to pitch through it. Hopefully he'll come back now with lowered expectations from everyone and be able to be a #4-5 to begin and work his way. People forget he's only 21 years old, much younger than any of the other three pitchers mentioned. I'll also say that I am surprised that Lester's been able to keep the walks down recently, a problem that's plagued him throughout his MLB and MiLB career.
Ellsbury #'s don't put him anywhere near the hype RSN had over him. He did contribute in the playoffs very well last year, and will be a decent player for the sox, but not a superstar like he was hyped to be. Right now he's slightly below a league average hitter. People didn't want to part with him for Santana, which is ludicrous.
Pedroia has played very well, so I won't argue too much there, but I'll say it took an incredible, unsustainable hot streak to get his numbers up, and he should be the alternate 2b All Star starter to Ian Kinsler this year. He's really good at hitting fastballs, though. I'm surprised how he's able to get ahead of them with such a gigantic swing.
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Boston gets swept by the Rays while the Yanks are smacking them all over the place.
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Boston gets swept by the Rays while the Yanks are smacking them all over the place.
But Boston is a far better team than the Yankees, so who cares?
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But Boston is a far better team than the Yankees, so who cares?
Far better? That's a good one. I didn't know it was April 1st!
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Far better? That's a good one. I didn't know it was April 1st!
You said the same last year, how'd that turn out?
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But Boston is a far better team than the Yankees, so who cares?
They're 3 games ahead of the Yankees in the loss column.
Many Yankees hitters have had horrilble starts in relation to their career norms, and will make up for it going forward. Consequently many Boston hitters are notorious 1st half players (Lowell, Youklis) and will most likely regress somewhat in the second half. Players always tend to gravitate toward their career averges - it happens all the time. Yes, occasionally there's the anomaly season, but mostly players replicate what they normally do. On paper, a healthy Yankee lineup is better than the sox, and will probably play out that way over the year.
The Yankees also have a better bullpen, and closer. Boston has better SP.
Far better is a stretch.
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They're 3 games ahead of the Yankees in the loss column.
Many Yankees hitters have had horrilble starts in relation to their career norms, and will make up for it going forward. Consequently many Boston hitters are notorious 1st half players (Lowell, Youklis) and will most likely regress somewhat in the second half. Players always tend to gravitate toward their career averges - it happens all the time. Yes, occasionally there's the anomaly season, but mostly players replicate what they normally do. On paper, a healthy Yankee lineup is better than the sox, and will probably play out that way over the year.
The Yankees also have a better bullpen, and closer. Boston has better SP.
Far better is a stretch.
He knows in the back of his mind that the Yanks, minus Wang and their bats not hitting at all, are 3 games back of the Sox. Like you said, on paper the Yanks are better. Should be interesting to see how the rest of the season plays out.
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Players always tend to gravitate toward their career averges - it happens all the time. Yes, occasionally there's the anomaly season, but mostly players replicate what they normally do.
That's very true especialy in baseball, but its the career years from unexpected players and everyone staying healthy that usually is part of a championship team
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They're 3 games ahead of the Yankees in the loss column.
Many Yankees hitters have had horrilble starts in relation to their career norms, and will make up for it going forward. Consequently many Boston hitters are notorious 1st half players (Lowell, Youklis) and will most likely regress somewhat in the second half. Players always tend to gravitate toward their career averges - it happens all the time. Yes, occasionally there's the anomaly season, but mostly players replicate what they normally do. On paper, a healthy Yankee lineup is better than the sox, and will probably play out that way over the year.
The Yankees also have a better bullpen, and closer. Boston has better SP.
Far better is a stretch.
On paper? I heard that one last year.... The sox are missing Ortiz, several guys where slumping and they are far from playing their best baseball right now. The same arguments where made about the sox the second half of the season last year. They can't sustain, they will drop off.... the sox played their best when it mattered. Guy's hit their best when it mattered.....the Yankees were one and done again. The sox have better starting pitching, just as good of a lineup, more speed and a better closer. Rivera is not better than Paplebon. At best it's a wash, and Mario has been known to blow some huge games these days. Maybe some of the yankes numbers are falling, because they are getting older.
I get a kick out of the on paper stuff, it means nothing.....Until they do it on the field, it's just excuse making. Yankees are ob a good club, but they don't have the juice to win the series - IMO.
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That's very true especialy in baseball, but its the career years from unexpected players and everyone staying healthy that usually is part of a championship team
And if that holds true for the Redsox, they will have a better chance to win the World series than the Yankees. The team is pretty much the same as the championship team last year. They will go out and get a bat before the trading deadline, and make the moves they need to. People don't even consider they can move Mastersen to the pen, and bring a blue chip pitcher back into the starting rotation.
Anything could happen, but if the Sox stay healthy, they have a great chance.
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He knows in the back of his mind that the Yanks, minus Wang and their bats not hitting at all, are 3 games back of the Sox. Like you said, on paper the Yanks are better. Should be interesting to see how the rest of the season plays out.
Nope, the sox are minus there best hitter, tek is in a legendary slump, and the pen is coming out of a rough patch.... The sox are a better team, plain and simple. Sure the Yankees are only three games back, but they don't have the sauce to win in the playoffs, so I don't even think about it.
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Finally - baseball discussion. ;D
Lester and Clay over Hughes and Kennedy RIGHT NOW, yes, I would agree. Actually, maybe even going forward since Kennedy isn't supposed to be as good as either Lester or Clay, but I'm still going to stick to Hughes for the long haul. At the ML level, Hughes had a no hitter into the 7th vs. Texas until he pulled a hamstring, and pitched very well that September he came back, including a playoff game. This year, he sucked, but it was discovered he had cracked ribs and was trying to pitch through it. Hopefully he'll come back now with lowered expectations from everyone and be able to be a #4-5 to begin and work his way. People forget he's only 21 years old, much younger than any of the other three pitchers mentioned. I'll also say that I am surprised that Lester's been able to keep the walks down recently, a problem that's plagued him throughout his MLB and MiLB career.
Ellsbury #'s don't put him anywhere near the hype RSN had over him. He did contribute in the playoffs very well last year, and will be a decent player for the sox, but not a superstar like he was hyped to be. Right now he's slightly below a league average hitter. People didn't want to part with him for Santana, which is ludicrous.
Pedroia has played very well, so I won't argue too much there, but I'll say it took an incredible, unsustainable hot streak to get his numbers up, and he should be the alternate 2b All Star starter to Ian Kinsler this year. He's really good at hitting fastballs, though. I'm surprised how he's able to get ahead of them with such a gigantic swing.
Supposed to, on paper..... it means nothing. On paper no team in History could have beaten the pats last year, you saw what happened. Lester and Buchholz have shown they have the stuff, and Lester did on the biggest stage of them al last year. I take Lester and Clay every day of the week and twice on sundays. Hughes is young, how about Lester coming back from Cancer last year? Bottom line, excuses and what ifs mean nothing. If Kennedy and Hughes start playing up to their hype, then there are no questions....until then it's a moot point.
Ellsbury has been struggling recently ( which is to expected) but anyone who knows baseball can see that this kid is electric. He is a blue chipper, he is the future, and he has already proven his worth to this team. People don't want to part with him, because he is going to be a hell of a player, he has electric speed, and can step up on the big stage when called upon.
Dustin is a great player.... I always love the "well if you take away ( remove streak ) they would be average. Thats why he's not average, he can put together amazing hot streaks. You act like Dustin has not been a great player all along. Since the day he came into the league it's been the same story with the critics vs Dustin..... He just keeps producing, hitting and playing well. All star player, all star future with the team. I see your point with the career average stuff, but if Dustin, Jocobe, Youk and lowell duplicate their performance in the playoffs, they are going to do well. All of them where key parts of the sox World series last year.
If the sox tank and the yankees dont, ill be the first to admit they are the better team, but until the do it, I can't see why they are better in any way.
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They can't sustain, they will drop off.... the sox played their best when it mattered.
They certainly did drop off. The Yankees erased a 14.5 game deficit down to 2, and would've won the division had it not been for a blown umpire call from Seattle and Al Reyes blowing three saves against the sox down the stretch (one which Delmon Young could've easily caught). The sox weren't clutch down the stretch, they barely survived. In fact, in true RSN form, they started with the excuses early, saying they didn't care about the division and were "preparing for the playoffs. As if most teams prepare for the playoffs by falling out of first place. The sox were damn lucky the Yankees sustained so many injuries in the beginning of the year. This set up the sox playing a weakened Anaheim team at home, instead of Cleveland on the road. Carmona and CC shit the bed in Fenway, unable to throw strikes, and the rest is history.
The sox have better starting pitching, just as good of a lineup, more speed and a better closer. Rivera is not better than Paplebon. At best it's a wash, and Mario has been known to blow some huge games these days. Maybe some of the yankes numbers are falling, because they are getting older.
Better SP now, yes. The lineup is not as good. It's no use aruging now, we'll just see how it plays out. More speed? Yankees have Damon, Jeter, Abreu, Cabrerra/Gardner, and Arod all capable of stealing. Does Boston have that many?
Rivera is the better reliever this year, the numbers prove it out. I don't recall the huge games Rivera has blown this year. He's given up FIVE earned runs all year. If you pull the age thing for the Yankees, you must do the same for your team. They're not so young themselves. Varitiek isn't slumping - he's most likely cooked.
I get a kick out of the on paper stuff, it means nothing.....Until they do it on the field, it's just excuse making. Yankees are ob a good club, but they don't have the juice to win the series - IMO.
I agree with the on paper stuff. I use it to show that the Yankees are not as bad as perceived, and, if they get healthy, will be in the mix all year. To say the sox are far better is just wrong.
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Supposed to, on paper..... it means nothing. On paper no team in History could have beaten the pats last year, you saw what happened. Lester and Buchholz have shown they have the stuff, and Lester did on the biggest stage of them al last year. I take Lester and Clay every day of the week and twice on sundays. Hughes is young, how about Lester coming back from Cancer last year? Bottom line, excuses and what ifs mean nothing. If Kennedy and Hughes start playing up to their hype, then there are no questions....until then it's a moot point.
Can't aruge this. Until it happens on the field, you're right, it's moot. My point is that Hughes is 4-5 years younger than these guys, so it's way too early to write him off or consider him "overrated by the Yankees".
Ellsbury has been struggling recently ( which is to expected) but anyone who knows baseball can see that this kid is electric. He is a blue chipper, he is the future, and he has already proven his worth to this team. People don't want to part with him, because he is going to be a hell of a player, he has electric speed, and can step up on the big stage when called upon.
Dustin is a great player.... I always love the "well if you take away ( remove streak ) they would be average. Thats why he's not average, he can put together amazing hot streaks. You act like Dustin has not been a great player all along. Since the day he came into the league it's been the same story with the critics vs Dustin..... He just keeps producing, hitting and playing well. All star player, all star future with the team. I see your point with the career average stuff, but if Dustin, Jocobe, Youk and lowell duplicate their performance in the playoffs, they are going to do well. All of them where key parts of the sox World series last year.
Ellsbury's fast, but I don't see much else. No power whatsoever, no arm. He is an exciting player, yes. We'll see.
I am slightly biased against Pedroia because I think he's an asshole. But you're right, he has produced consistently, so I'll back off an hope he's David Eckstein in two years.
Both of these players, though, benefit more than most from playing at Fenway. Consider that Ellsubry's Home/Road splits show and OPS of .910/.653, and incredible 257 pts higher at home. That means he's Manny at home and Varitek on the road. Enormous difference. Pedroia's splits aren't as bad, but still have a 100 pt disparity. Fenway helps them both tremendously.
If the sox tank and the yankees dont, ill be the first to admit they are the better team, but until the do it, I can't see why they are better in any way.
Like I said, better bullpen, better lineup, better closer. But we'll have to see how if it plays out like that.
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And if that holds true for the Redsox, they will have a better chance to win the World series than the Yankees. The team is pretty much the same as the championship team last year. They will go out and get a bat before the trading deadline, and make the moves they need to. People don't even consider they can move Mastersen to the pen, and bring a blue chip pitcher back into the starting rotation.
Anything could happen, but if the Sox stay healthy, they have a great chance.
I'm wondering if the sox will make a big move. Like the Yankees recently, they seem to want to do everything from within.
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Yank's keep taking 2 steps forward 1 step back :-\
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Yank's keep taking 2 steps forward 1 step back :-\
Yup. It's going to be hard not to with Ponson and Rasner getting 40% of the starts for the near future.
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Fenway doesnt favor lefties so Ellsburys numbers are interesting but I think its more comfort level of playing at home or just by chance at this point.
I'm not sure, since the disparity is so high.
I'm going to look and see if I can find any ballpark factors for L/R splits. I agree comfort level could be a factor, but the number is just too big to be that alone. I don't think he's nearly as good as his home numbers, nor do I think he's as awful as his road numbers.
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Ok, I asked some people who know this stuff much better than I do, and they pointed me here: http://seamheads.com/db/KJOK_Park_Factors1.xls
Accroding to the numbers , Fenway only favors righties for HRs, but lefties for everthing else. So, at the very least, it's directionally correct for Ellsbury's huge disparity in Home/Road splits.
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There goes the "on paper" again.
Yanks offesnse is putrid right now.