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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #350 on: January 22, 2022, 02:10:38 PM »
A few facts about Colleen Huber

Colleen Huber, is not a medical doctor, is the “medical director” and owner of the NatureWorksBest Medical Clinic in Arizona, which offers the following all-natural, unproven-or-disproven therapies to cancer patients: baking soda, vitamin C, and a sugar-free diet.

Huber is the president of the Naturopathic Cancer Society.

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/quackery/naturopath-sues-whistleblower-denouncing-quack-treatments

'Naturopath (Colleen Huber) Sues Twitter After It Bans Her Account For Spreading Medical Misinformation'

Colleen Huber claims all the animals used in the COVID tests died.

No, there is no evidence all the animals from the vaccine trials died from the vaccine months later.
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/the-animals-in-the-vaccine-trials-did-not-die-from-the-vaccine/65-94f65a53-efc0-44ba-9944-2dc6ca51af03

'The trials did not skip animal studies. In the quest for expediency, studies performed on mice and macaque monkeys were run concurrently (that is, at the same time) to the Phase 1 human clinical trials. The animals developed high neutralizing antibody titers, and none of the animals died.'

https://icd10monitor.com/setting-the-record-straight-on-covid-19-vaccines/







Colleen Huber, NMD, February 21, 2021, updated March 23, 2021

https://www.primarydoctor.org/covidvaccine

Most of the links below are from medical journals, the FDA, CDC, and other entities that generally support vaccination, yet the information in this article shows how EXTREMELY RISKY the COVID-19 vaccines are.

Is the COVID vaccine experimental? Pfizer and Moderna make the COVID-19 vaccines in the US. The FDA granted “emergency use authorization” for these vaccines (herein “COVID injections,” because they are unlike conventional vaccines). Emergency use authorization is required by law to be made only if there are no effective treatments for COVID-19. 

But are there effective COVID-19 treatments? 100s of studies done around the world have established, and repeatedly confirmed, fast, effective, well-tolerated treatments for COVID-19 that are in widespread use. I briefly summarize them here.

General risk vs benefit An emergency experimental vaccine cannot be assumed to be safer than a virus with a very high survival rate, such as COVID-19.  The average survival rate for NO COVID treatment at all is 99.74%, and we have very successful treatments available, which should easily achieve universal survivability from COVID, if widely available. Where does 99.74% survival come from?  Dr. John Ioannidis is the most widely cited scientist in the world.  His estimate in June 2020 of a 0.26% infection fatality rate is now confirmed around the world. 100% - 0.26% = 99.74% average survival rate.

Does the COVID injection work? The COVID injection is not even known to stop the spread of COVID.  Dr. Larry Corey, who oversees National Institutes of Health COVID-19 vaccine trials said on 11/20/20: “The studies aren’t designed to assess transmission.  They don’t ask that question, and there’s really no information on this at this point in time.”  https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/941388.

The FDA confirms that the 1st vaccine dose correlates with increased COVID-19 infections.  "Suspected COVID-19 cases that occurred within 7 days after any vaccination were 409 in the vaccine group vs 287 in the placebo group."  This data comes from Pfizer itself.  See p 42 of https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download

​What happened to the animals in the studies?  This technology has been tried on animals, and in the animal studies done, all the animals died, not immediately from the injection, but months later, from other immune disorders, sepsis and/or cardiac failure.There has never been a long-term successful animal study using this technology. No experimental coronavirus vaccine has succeeded in animal studies. In this study, coronavirus vaccine caused liver inflammation in test animals.

Specific risks of COVID injections, in roughly chronological order of side-effect manifestation:

Polyethylene glycol (PEG) is one of the ingredients.  This has been correlated with anaphylactic shock.   So the CDC is now recommending intubation kits at vaccination sites.

​Cationic lipid coating of mRNA is known for many years to be toxic, because these (+) charged fats interact with the (–) charges on our amino acids, our cell membranes and the phosphates of our DNA.  Cationic lipids are attracted to and are destructive toward:

Lungs ,
Mitochondria,
red blood cells,
white blood cells,
Liver,
Immune and nervous systems function (This is the likely cause of the Bell’s Palsy and tremors that are seen in vaccine victims.)

mRNA:  Unlike a traditional vaccine, of injected, inactivated virus intended to stimulate antibody response, the COVID injection on the other hand is completely different in this respect.  It uses messenger RNA (mRNA), which is a blueprint for your cells to create COVID-like (spike) proteins.  Then your cells begin to make these COVID-like proteins.  However, those proteins, in turn, stimulate your body to make antibodies against them.  So now your body has been turned into a munitions factory for both sides of a war:  The bad guys (COVID-like spike proteins) and the good guys (the antibodies fighting against them).  However, before you pledge allegiance to the good guys, as you will see below, the good guys can be more lethal to the vaccinated person.

History of mRNA injections: This technology had disastrous results in dengue fever vaccines in the past.  Dengue vaccine is a mRNA vaccine.  When this was used in children in the Philippines, many vaccinated children had far worse outcomes than unvaccinated children when they were later exposed to dengue, and many died.  Prosecution for homicide resulted.  However, this had previously been known to happen with ferrets and with cats. In all cases, the vaccinated animal or human became more vulnerable to worse disease when confronted with it. It is expected that the relatively mild COVID-19 illness, with a survival rate of 99.74%, may reduce to a much lower survival rate and become a truly lethal disease in vaccinated people when they later become infected with it.  There are no peer-reviewed published human trials of mRNA vaccines at all, and no mRNA vaccine has ever been FDA approved. That’s how new the technology is.

mRNA can affect DNA.  One of the most worrisome risks with a mRNA vaccine is what can happen with reverse transcriptase.  This is an enzyme in every cell, and it can theoretically lead to the mRNA creating changes in the cells’ DNA, a process known as viral retro-integration. Although this possibility had been thought unlikely, MIT and Harvard scientists found it happened here. If some of the 30 trillion or so cells in your body become permanent COVID factories, what is the long-term impact on your health, and would you want that outcome?

Antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) problem:   Prior attempts to create a coronavirus vaccine killed all the test animals, after they were later infected with wild virus.  Here’s what happened:  mRNA instructed the mammals’ cells to produce the spike proteins of the coronavirus.  Then, later, when the animals confronted the wild virus, the intense build-up of antibodies had been stockpiled, and their sudden and overwhelming release killed the test animal.  These risks have been documented in Nature, Science and Journal of Infectious Diseases.  Here’s a study from Nature on that.

ADE mechanism:  ADE is a form of pathogenic priming, meaning the vaccine can result in a more severe disease, which has been seen in prior attempts at making coronavirus vaccines.  The antibodies made can be neutralizing (which inactivate a virus, and that’s good), but antibodies are a problem when they are non-neutralizing, because then these antibodies carry active viruses directly to macrophages, which then become infected.  This is how ADE happens.

This antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) leads to:

increased viral replication (more viruses to make you sick); and more severe disease


ADE result: These macrophages tend to go to the lungs and fill the lungs, causing overwhelming inflammation and airway obstruction (as found later on autopsy).    However, the augmented antibodies also attack similar-looking proteins on internal organs, resulting in cytokine storm and death or auto-immune disease and organ failure.  “Cats that showed high titers following vaccination succumbed at later timepoints to fatal disease.”

What about miscarriages, and why have men been advised to freeze their sperm prior to getting the injection?  Both men and women are at risk for possibly permanent infertility, because the spike protein of a coronavirus “looks” to the immune system similar to Syncytin-1, an essential protein in the placenta.  This stimulates antibodies to fight the placenta, and possibly sperm.  Mid-term miscarriages, which are normally very rare, have occurred in women who have been vaccinated for COVID.  SARS-CoV-2 viral particles have been found to linger in the testicles of men after recovery from infection.

Why are COVID vaccinees MORE likely to spread COVID than the unvaccinated?  Virologist Geert Vanden Bossche PhD, who worked for the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, recently warned the World Health Organization (WHO) that "We are currently turning vaccinees into carriers shedding infectious variants."

Why is it more dangerous to vaccinate against COVID-19 than other viruses?  Because COVID-19 virus uses the ACE-2 receptor to get into your endothelial cells, including those lining the blood vessels.  This creates an inflammatory reaction that the great majority (99.74%) have survived even without treatment, and even more who used known, effective treatments. (See page 1)   So if you have been exposed to the virus, and then get vaccinated, it is almost certain that the vaccine will cause new inflammation and damage to endothelial cells lining your blood vessels, and we have seen short-term abnormal blood clotting in people who have gotten the vaccine.  But the more likely problem is launching new disease in the blood vessels.  Dr. H Noorchashm MD, PhD says, “. . . the vaccine is almost certain to do damage to the vascular endothelium.” He explains here.

Israel is at this writing the most heavily COVID-vaccinated country in the world.  The findings of infectious disease experts are reported here, in which they determined, from the Israeli data, that the COVID injection causes:

" . . .mortality hundreds of times greater in young people compared to mortality from coronavirus without the vaccine, and dozens of times more in the elderly . . .”

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #351 on: January 22, 2022, 02:12:26 PM »
A few facts about Colleen Huber

Colleen Huber, is not a medical doctor, is the “medical director” and owner of the NatureWorksBest Medical Clinic in Arizona, which offers the following all-natural, unproven-or-disproven therapies to cancer patients: baking soda, vitamin C, and a sugar-free diet.

Huber is the president of the Naturopathic Cancer Society.

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/quackery/naturopath-sues-whistleblower-denouncing-quack-treatments

Naturopath Sues Twitter After It Bans Her Account For Spreading Medical Misinformation
Only Fauci has all the answers! Fuck off Tard!
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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #352 on: January 22, 2022, 05:41:32 PM »
I do

my brothers in laws and their adult children (all in Texas) participated in the Pfizer trials

i see brain-dead'ism runs deep in the strawvag family
experimental fools
must be braindead dems too

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #353 on: January 22, 2022, 05:51:46 PM »
I do

my brothers in laws and their adult children (all in Texas) participated in the Pfizer trials
lolillooll FOOLS!
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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #354 on: January 23, 2022, 12:28:37 AM »
A few facts about Colleen Huber

Colleen Huber, is not a medical doctor

isn't it about time for another booster?

safe and effective.

'Colleen Huber, NMD (Naturopathic Medical Doctor), physician and expert witness in vaccine injury court cases'

https://www.primarydoctor.org/covidvaccine




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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #355 on: January 23, 2022, 01:48:38 AM »
A few facts about …

A couple facts about you …

You’re retarded

You are a phaggot

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« Reply #356 on: January 23, 2022, 01:49:21 PM »
A couple facts about you …

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #357 on: January 23, 2022, 02:09:59 PM »
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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #358 on: August 21, 2022, 05:47:57 AM »
a sensible rabbi?

The following list was created by the Israeli rabbi Chananya Weissman.

31 Reasons Why I Won’t Take the Vaccine

1. It’s not a vaccine. A vaccine by definition provides immunity to a disease. This does not provide immunity to anything. In a best-case scenario, it merely reduces the chance of getting a severe case of a virus if one catches it. Hence, it is a medical treatment, not a vaccine. I do not want to take a medical treatment for an illness I do not have.

2. The drug companies, politicians, medical establishment, and media have joined forces to universally refer to this as a vaccine when it is not one, with the intention of manipulating people into feeling safer about undergoing a medical treatment. Because they are being deceitful, I do not trust them, and want nothing to do with their medical treatment.

3. The presumed benefits of this medical treatment are minimal and would not last long in any case. The establishment acknowledges this, and is already talking about additional shots and ever-increasing numbers of new “vaccines” that would be required on a regular basis. I refuse to turn myself into a chronic patient who receives injections of new pharmaceutical products on a regular basis simply to reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a virus that these injections do not even prevent.

4. I can reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a virus by strengthening my immune system naturally. In the event I catch a virus, there are vitamins and well-established drugs that have had wonderful results in warding off the illness, without the risks and unknowns of this medical treatment.

5. The establishment insists that this medical treatment is safe. They cannot possibly know this because the long-term effects are entirely unknown, and will not be known for many years. They may speculate that it is safe, but it is disingenuous for them to make such a claim that cannot possibly be known. Because they are being disingenuous, I do not trust them, and I want no part of their treatment.

6. The drug companies have zero liability if anything goes wrong, and cannot be sued. Same for the politicians who are pushing this treatment. I will not inject myself with a new, experimental medical device when the people behind it accept no liability or responsibility if something goes wrong. I will not risk my health and my life when they refuse to risk anything.

7. Israel’s Prime Minister has openly admitted that the Israeli people are the world’s laboratory for this experimental treatment. I am not interested in being a guinea pig or donating my body to science.

8. Israel agreed to share medical data of its citizens with a foreign drug company as a fundamental part of their agreement to receive this treatment. I never consented for my personal medical data to be shared with any such entity, nor was I even asked. I will not contribute to this sleazy enterprise.

9. The executives and board members at Pfizer are on record that they have not taken their own treatment, despite all the fanfare and assurances. They are claiming that they would consider it unfair to “cut the line”. This is a preposterous excuse, and it takes an unbelievable amount of chutzpah to even say such a thing. Such a “line” is a figment of their own imagination; if they hogged a couple of injections for themselves no one would cry foul. In addition, billionaires with private jets and private islands are not known for waiting in line until hundreds of millions of peasants all over the world go first to receive anything these billionaires want for themselves.

10. The establishment media have accepted this preposterous excuse without question or concern. Moreover, they laud Pfizer’s executives for their supposed self-sacrifice in not taking their own experimental treatment until we go first. Since they consider us such fools, I do not trust them, and do not want their new treatment. They can have my place in line. I’ll go to the very back of the line.

11. Three facts that must be put together:

    Bill Gates is touting these vaccines as essential to the survival of the human race.
    Bill Gates believes the world has too many people and needs to be “depopulated”.
    Bill Gates, perhaps the richest man in the world, has also not been injected. No rush.

Uh, no. I’ll pass on any medical treatments he wants me to take.

12. The establishment has been entirely one-sided in celebrating this treatment. The politicians and media are urging people to take it as both a moral and civic duty. The benefits of the treatment are being greatly exaggerated, the risks are being ignored, and the unknowns are being brushed aside. Because they are being deceitful and manipulative, I will not gamble my personal wellbeing on their integrity.

13. There is an intense propaganda campaign for people to take this treatment. Politicians and celebrities are taking selfies of themselves getting injected (perhaps in some cases pretending to get injected), the media is hyping this as the coolest, smartest, most happy and fun thing to do. It is the most widespread marketing campaign in history. This is not at all appropriate for any medical treatment, let alone a brand new one, and it makes me recoil.

14. The masses are following in tow, posting pictures of themselves getting injected with a drug, feeding the mass peer pressure to do the same. There is something very alarming and sick about this, and I want no part of it. I never took drugs just because “everyone’s doing it” and it’s cool. I’m certainly not going to start now.
 
15. Those who raise concerns about this medical treatment are being bullied, slandered, mocked, censored, ostracized, threatened, and fired from their jobs. This includes medical professionals who have science-based concerns about the drug and caregivers who have witnessed people under their charge suffering horrible reactions and death shortly after being injected. When the establishment is purging good people who risk everything simply to raise concerns about a new medical treatment — even if they don’t outright oppose it — I will trust these brave people over the establishment every time. I cannot think of a single similar case in history when truth and morality turned out to be on the side of the establishment.

16. This is the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race.

17. It is purposely not being portrayed as the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race, and the fact that it is a medical experiment at all is being severely downplayed.

18. Were they up front with the masses, very few would agree to participate in such an experiment. Manipulating the masses to participate in a medical experiment under false pretenses violates the foundations of medical ethics and democratic law. I will not allow unethical people who engage in such conduct to inject me with anything.

19. The medical establishment is not informing people about any of this. They have become marketing agents for an experimental drug, serving huge companies and politicians who have made deals with them. This is a direct conflict with their mandate to concern themselves exclusively with the wellbeing of the people under their care. Since the medical establishment has become corrupted, and has become nothing more than a corporate and political tool, I do not trust the experimental drug they want so badly to inject me with.

20. We are being pressured in various ways to get injected, which violates medical ethics and the foundations of democratic society. The best way to get me not to do something is to pressure me to do it.

21. The government has sealed their protocol related to the virus and treatments for THIRTY YEARS. This is information that the public has a right to know, and the government has a responsibility to share. What are they covering up? Do they really expect me to believe that everything is kosher about all this, and that they are concerned first and foremost with my health? The last time they did this was with the Yemenite Children Affair. If you’re not familiar with it, look it up. Now they’re pulling the same shtick. They didn’t fool me the first time, and they’re definitely not fooling me now.

22. The government can share our personal medical data with foreign corporations, but they won’t share their own protocol on the matter with us? I’m out.

23. The establishment has recruited doctors, rabbis, the media, and the masses to harangue people who don’t want to get injected with a new drug. We are being called the worst sort of names. We are being told that we believe in crazy conspiracies, that we are against science, that we are selfish, that we are murderers, that we don’t care about the elderly, that it’s our fault that the government continues to impose draconian restrictions on the public. It’s all because we don’t want to get injected with an experimental treatment, no questions asked. We are even being told that we have a religious obligation to do this, and that we are grave sinners if we do not. They say that if we do not agree to get injected, we should be forced to stay inside our homes forever and be ostracized from public life.
This is horrific, disgusting, a perversion of common sense, morality, and the Torah. It makes me recoil, and only further cements my distrust of these people and my opposition to taking their experimental drug. How dare they?

24. I know of many people who got injected, but none of them studied the science in depth, carefully weighed the potential benefits against the risks, compared this option to other alternatives, was truly informed, and decided this medical treatment was the best option for them. On the contrary, they got injected because of the hype, the propaganda, the pressure, the fear, blind trust in what “the majority of experts” supposedly believed (assuming THEY all studied everything in depth and were completely objective, which is highly dubious), blind trust in what certain influential rabbis urged them to do (ditto the above), or hysterical fear that the only option was getting injected or getting seriously ill from the virus. When I see mass hysteria and cult-like behavior surrounding a medical treatment, I will be extremely suspicious and avoid it.

25. The drug companies have a long and glorious history of causing mass carnage with wonder drugs they thrust on unsuspecting populations, even after serious problems had already become known. Instead of pressing the pause button and halting the marketing of these drugs until these issues could be properly investigated, the drug companies did everything in their power to suppress the information and keep pushing their products. When companies and people have demonstrated such gross lack of concern for human life, I will not trust them when they hype a new wonder drug. This isn’t our first rodeo.

26. Indeed, the horror stories are already coming in at warp speed, but the politicians are not the least bit concerned, the medical establishment is brushing them aside as unrelated or negligible, the media is ignoring it, the drug companies are steaming ahead at full speed, and those who raise a red flag continue to be bullied, censored, and punished. Clearly my life and my wellbeing are not their primary concern. I will not be their next guinea pig in their laboratory. I will not risk being the next “coincidence”.

27. Although many people have died shortly after getting injected — including perfectly healthy young people — we are not allowed to imply that the injection had anything to do with it. Somehow this is anti-science and will cause more people to die. I believe that denying any possible link, abusing people who speculate that there might be a link, and demonstrating not the slightest curiosity to even explore if there might be a link is what is anti-science and could very well cause more people to die. These same people believe I am obligated to get injected as well. No freaking thanks.

28. I am repulsed by the religious, cult-like worship of a pharmaceutical product, and will not participate in this ritual.

29. My “healthcare” provider keeps badgering me to get injected, yet they have provided me no information on this treatment or any possible alternatives. Everything I know I learned from others outside the establishment. Informed consent has become conformed consent. I decline.

30. I see all the lies, corruption, propaganda, manipulation, censorship, bullying, violation of medical ethics, lack of integrity in the scientific process, suppression of inconvenient adverse reactions, dismissal of legitimate concerns, hysteria, cult-like behavior, ignorance, closed-mindedness, fear, medical and political tyranny, concealment of protocols, lack of true concern for human life, lack of respect for basic human rights and freedoms, perversion of the Torah and common sense, demonization of good people, the greatest medical experiment of all time being conducted by greedy, untrustworthy, godless people, the lack of liability for those who demand I risk everything… I see all this and I have decided they can all have my place in line. I will put my trust in God. I will use the mind He blessed me with and trust my natural instincts. Which leads to the final reason which sums up why I will not get “vaccinated.”

31. The whole thing stinks.

Any Pro MRNA T.E.Vaccine Proponents want to Refute what
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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #359 on: August 21, 2022, 05:56:26 AM »
What other vaccine in history doesn't do it's job and requires multiple jabs in such a short space of time?

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #360 on: August 21, 2022, 09:43:00 AM »
Mass graves!!!  Hazmat Brah's everywhere!!   ::)

Imagine falling for that fake nonsense???   ::)

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #361 on: August 21, 2022, 12:29:27 PM »
Mass graves!!!  Hazmat Brah's everywhere!!   ::)

Imagine falling for that fake nonsense???   ::)

So Many Did Fall for that -

Yet Not One of Them On Here will address it .
Nope all Claim not to have seen / known about them things
Yet They Can Find & post up anything else to do with the Scam
That they think backs them up.

Of Course they Know about those things & see Them Only if They
Admit to it There Whole World collapses .

Show's How fcked up in the Minds They truly are.

I can & Frequently do State That I may Be Wrong about These T.E.Vaccines,
They Never Ever have The Balls to Post that they May of made a Mistake  ::)

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #362 on: August 21, 2022, 01:52:51 PM »
What other vaccine in history doesn't do it's job and requires multiple jabs in such a short space of time?

Here are a few that require multiple 'jabs' or doses and variable time span between them.

Shingrix the vaccine for shingles is typically given in two doses usually 2-6 months apart or minimally 1 month apart. I could not find information as to how long the vaccine lasts or getting 'boosters' such as with COVID and the flu. Many vaccines require multiple doses.

Hepatitis B is three shots. There are several Hep B vaccines available. The time between vaccines is 1 month for the second and 6 months for the third one.

DTaP is five shots or every 10 years.

Polio is four shots for the primary sequence. The CDC recommends that all children get four doses of IPV: one at two months old, one at four months old, one at six through 18 months old, and a final shot at four through six years old. Additional Polio Booster shots are not unheard of. There recently was a polio case in New York. Polio may have been circulating widely for a year and was present in New York’s wastewater as early as last April.

All of these vaccines have possible negative side effects and variable efficacies.

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #363 on: August 21, 2022, 01:57:54 PM »

All of these vaccines have possible negative side effects and variable efficacies.

One of the primary issues is that the mRNA vaccine has potential negative side effects, but that was never discussed openly or honestly in any mainstream media outlets, or in any messaging from the CDC.

This is a huge part of the distrust that was created, and it's the government's own fault.
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« Reply #364 on: August 21, 2022, 02:07:52 PM »
One of the primary issues is that the mRNA vaccine has potential negative side effects, but that was never discussed openly or honestly in any mainstream media outlets, or in any messaging from the CDC.

This is a huge part of the distrust that was created, and it's the government's own fault.

1/2 the country will never trust them again either. Of course the other 1/2 (brain-dead sheep) will jump right in for the next jab.
A fuster-cluck of a fake pandemic that will go down in history...

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #365 on: August 21, 2022, 02:13:41 PM »
The Shingrix vax is two shots as Prime stated.

It only needs the two shots and then you are good for life.

You get it after 50 years old.

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« Reply #366 on: August 21, 2022, 02:22:56 PM »
I can & Frequently do State That I may Be Wrong about These T.E.Vaccines,
They Never Ever have The Balls to Post that they May of made a Mistake  ::)

So, you say you could be wrong. Big deal. There is always the possibility of being wrong about anything including COVID vaccines. Although most people have doubts because nothing is certain, but it is not a mistake until it is. There is always a calculated risk of something going amiss with everything we do.

Based on my health issues and age, took that calculated risk. So far it has not been a ‘mistake’. Yeah, I still caught the virus, but I was not ever critically ill. As of today, I have not had any negative side effects resulting from the vaccine(s). Like with everything, the future is unknown.

I believe whether to get or not to get the COVID vaccine should be a personal choice. With some exceptions, it mostly is. All choices have consequences either good, bad, or sometimes a little of each.

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #367 on: August 21, 2022, 02:28:29 PM »
So, you say you could be wrong. Big deal. There is always the possibility of being wrong about anything including COVID vaccines. Although most people have doubts because nothing is certain, but it is not a mistake until it is. There is always a calculated risk of something going amiss with everything we do.

Based on my health issues and age, took that calculated risk. So far it has not been a ‘mistake’. Yeah, I still caught the virus, but I was not ever critically ill. As of today, I have not had any negative side effects resulting from the vaccine(s). Like with everything, the future is unknown.

I believe whether to get or not to get the COVID vaccine should be a personal choice. With some exceptions, it mostly is. All choices have consequences either good, bad, or sometimes a little of each.

Apart from not being able to answer questions properly and diverting the topic instead

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #368 on: August 21, 2022, 02:42:03 PM »
The Shingrix vax is two shots as Prime stated.

It only needs the two shots and then you are good for life.

You get it after 50 years old.
The original shingles vaccine Zostavax licensed in 2006 was not as effective as Shingrix, which was FDA approved in 2017. If I am still around 11 years from now, it will be interesting to see the changes if any with the COVID vaccines.

Which is great because it is not free, even if like me, you have Medicare. Most people with part D Medicare coverage who get the vaccines at a pharmacy pay $50.

I do not recall ever having chicken pox which is said to make folks more susceptible to the virus, I did get shingles are few years ago. I was not fun! Unfortunately, having the virus does not make us immune to getting it again, hence I got the vaccine.

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #369 on: August 21, 2022, 02:48:27 PM »
The original shingles vaccine Zostavax licensed in 2006 was not as effective as Shingrix, which was FDA approved in 2017. If I am still around 11 years from now, it will be interesting to see the changes if any with the COVID vaccines.

Which is great because it is not free, even if like me, you have Medicare. Most people with part D Medicare coverage who get the vaccines at a pharmacy pay $50.

I do not recall ever having chicken pox which is said to make folks more susceptible to the virus, I did get shingles are few years ago. I was not fun! Unfortunately, having the virus does not make us immune to getting it again, hence I got the vaccine.

I had shingles a while back, I also had chicken pox as a kid.
Its said if you catch chicken pox again as an adult you get shingles
There was a lot of chicken pox in kids in our area at the same according to my doctor
I asked about the shingles vaccine she said dont bother with it

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #370 on: August 21, 2022, 02:51:33 PM »
Apart from not being able to answer questions properly and diverting the topic instead

There were no questions in Illuminati's post. Therefore, there was nothing to answer either properly or improperly. The topic was about having the balls to admit making a mistake about the COVID vaccines. My reply was right on topic, IMO. Show me where there was a diversion.

An explanation is not a diversion.

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #371 on: August 21, 2022, 02:59:26 PM »
I had shingles a while back, I also had chicken pox as a kid.
Its said if you catch chicken pox again as an adult you get shingles
There was a lot of chicken pox in kids in our area at the same according to my doctor
I asked about the shingles vaccine she said dont bother with it

Did she say why you shouldn't get it? Was she telling you it doesn't work? Perhaps she felt the possible adverse side effects would worth taking the risk of getting. Some of them are serious and the list in long. Fortunately, I didn't have any of them. If I remember correctly, the vaccine site was a bit sore for a day or so, but that's it.

Sometimes if you ask 10 doctors about something you will get 10 differing answers. Ah, 'the practice of medicine'.

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #372 on: August 21, 2022, 03:01:01 PM »
Did she say why you shouldn't get it? Was she telling you it doesn't work? Perhaps she felt the possible adverse side effects would worth taking the risk of getting. Some of them are pretty serious and the list in long. Fortunately, I didn't have any of them. If I remember correctly, the vaccine site was a bit sore for a day or so, but that's it.

Sometimes if you ask 10 doctors about something you will get 10 differing answers. Ah, 'the practice of medicine'.

the chances of me getting shingles again is pretty slim so its not worth having the shot
She may advise differently if I got shingles again.

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #373 on: August 21, 2022, 06:34:56 PM »
the chances of me getting shingles again is pretty slim so its not worth having the shot
She may advise differently if I got shingles again.

I sure hope it is slim. As you probably know, those buggers are absolutely no fun at all. In my case, long after the rash was gone the nerve pain continued... and if I remember right, there's nothing one can do to alleviate it.

My wife had them near her waist when she was a teenager. Her not-so-funny father told her when they meet, she would die. Yeah, he was something of a jerk!

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #374 on: August 21, 2022, 09:09:19 PM »
Apart from not being able to answer questions properly and diverting the topic instead

Exactly- does it all the time when called out - WTF did the mass psychosis do long term to their minds.
Yep Cognitive Dissonance we see it so frequently on here exibited by some.