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Title: What's Worse??????????
Post by: bigmikecox on February 27, 2015, 06:32:08 AM
So your girl/wife comes to you and says she cheated. BUT, she says, "well, I didnt bang him, I just gave him head but didnt swallow it" 

Is taking a guys man meat in her throat and swallowing his kids worse if she banged the dude?
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: falco on February 27, 2015, 06:34:08 AM
Someone's having a bad day...
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Post by: TheOne on February 27, 2015, 06:36:28 AM
Get rid of the bitch
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Post by: greeneyes on February 27, 2015, 06:42:02 AM
If a woman comes to tell you something like that at your face. I advice you then to go a through a few Ayahuasca experiences to see what's wrong with you and where you fucked up to allow such shit to be thrown at your face.

Hope this help
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Post by: Henda on February 27, 2015, 06:42:12 AM
Both equally horrific
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Post by: devilsmile on February 27, 2015, 06:44:43 AM
I would just admit that I've been actually looking at other women my self, and maybe we should just sepparate and remaind friends.

What's the big deal?
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Post by: Sokolsky on February 27, 2015, 06:47:51 AM
So your girl/wife comes to you and says she cheated. BUT, she says, "well, I didnt bang him, I just gave him head but didnt swallow it" 

Is taking a guys man meat in her throat and swallowing his kids worse if she banged the dude?

I see only one option.

(http://cdn3.dogomedia.com/pictures/6619/content/holegetimage.aspx.jpg)
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: bigmikecox on February 27, 2015, 06:48:38 AM
I see only one option.

(http://cdn3.dogomedia.com/pictures/6619/content/holegetimage.aspx.jpg)

LMAO
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: Donny on February 27, 2015, 06:48:47 AM
The real question is..did you kiss her after she told you? How did it taste ??  :-X
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: Kwon_2 on February 27, 2015, 06:50:14 AM
So your girl/wife comes to you and says she cheated. BUT, she says, "well, I didnt bang him, I just gave him head but didnt swallow it" 

Is taking a guys man meat in her throat and swallowing his kids worse if she banged the dude?

It's the same Mike.

She has been unfaithful to you. Any act of infidelity is Disrespect to you.
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Post by: LittleJ on February 27, 2015, 06:53:31 AM
Introduce her to Muslim style punishments.
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Post by: TheShape. on February 27, 2015, 06:53:41 AM
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Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: Automation on February 27, 2015, 06:55:33 AM
We're all just dumb beasts trying to get our rocks off.... I suggest you do likewise and get your dick sucked by some young piece of ass.
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: bigmikecox on February 27, 2015, 06:55:41 AM
The real question is..did you kiss her after she told you? How did it taste ??  :-X

That is some cuck shit!!!!  
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: Donny on February 27, 2015, 07:09:36 AM
That is some cuck shit!!!!  
well mate iŽll tell you what i did years ago to a slut i was banging. i was 18 at the time and was seeing this Girl back home for about a year. I went to the Army and when i came back my Brother told me she was getting friendly with a guy when i was away. if she fucked him i never found out but the chances are high. So when i came back on leave i took her out and pretended i knew nothing. took her back home Fucked her and as i was pulling my pants on said, Get out you slut. she started crying and said i was a Bastard ..hihi... felt good. i never saw the guy she was seeing but my Brother smashed him up good. This is the rules.
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: bigmikecox on February 27, 2015, 08:09:15 AM
well mate iŽll tell you what i did years ago to a slut i was banging. i was 18 at the time and was seeing this Girl back home for about a year. I went to the Army and when i came back my Brother told me she was getting friendly with a guy when i was away. if she fucked him i never found out but the chances are high. So when i came back on leave i took her out and pretended i knew nothing. took her back home Fucked her and as i was pulling my pants on said, Get out you slut. she started crying and said i was a Bastard ..hihi... felt good. i never saw the guy she was seeing but my Brother smashed him up good. This is the rules.

LMAO!!!!  CLASSIC
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Post by: Wiggs on February 27, 2015, 08:11:06 AM
If a woman comes to tell you something like that at your face. I advice you then to go a through a few Ayahuasca experiences to see what's wrong with you and where you fucked up to allow such shit to be thrown at your face.

Hope this help

 ;D
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Post by: Wiggs on February 27, 2015, 08:12:32 AM
well mate iŽll tell you what i did years ago to a slut i was banging. i was 18 at the time and was seeing this Girl back home for about a year. I went to the Army and when i came back my Brother told me she was getting friendly with a guy when i was away. if she fucked him i never found out but the chances are high. So when i came back on leave i took her out and pretended i knew nothing. took her back home Fucked her and as i was pulling my pants on said, Get out you slut. she started crying and said i was a Bastard ..hihi... felt good. i never saw the guy she was seeing but my Brother smashed him up good. This is the rules.

 8)
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: Archer77 on February 27, 2015, 08:15:25 AM
If she just sucked him off that only means there were mitigating circumstances that prevented her from fucking him. She didnt make a moral choice to commit a lesser of two evils.  Its a false moral dilemma.  
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Post by: robcguns on February 27, 2015, 08:54:41 AM
Both deserving of the boot.But if she said she had sex with him i would be less pissed than her saying she sucked his dick.
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Post by: ritch on February 27, 2015, 08:56:49 AM
Never hit a chick, but she would receive the slap of her lifetime in the face.
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Post by: wikkedonez on February 27, 2015, 09:03:10 AM
I remember a story where a guy in the military found out his girl was cheating on him and she wanted to break up n wanted her pictures back....so he had all his military boys give him a pic of their women. Then he sent them all to her and said "I'm sorry ..which one were you?"..
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: BB on February 27, 2015, 09:25:42 AM
Both deserving of the boot.But if she said she had sex with him i would be less pissed than her saying she sucked his dick.

This. And imagine you kissed her before she told you  :(. If they straight up fucked, you could at least chalk it up to her being horny and wanting to get off, but blowing him? That's all about her wanting to give some dude pleasure.

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Post by: Rambone on February 27, 2015, 04:32:54 PM
I see only one option.

(http://cdn3.dogomedia.com/pictures/6619/content/holegetimage.aspx.jpg)

Hahaha perfect response
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Post by: BigRo on February 27, 2015, 04:36:53 PM
We're all just dumb beasts trying to get our rocks off.... I suggest you do likewise and get your dick sucked by some young piece of ass.
8)
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: Slapper on February 27, 2015, 08:32:18 PM
I'd pimp her. Seriously. If your woman comes home and tells you she was drunk... a guy was rubbing up against her... one thing led to another... She gets a one-time free pass.

If I find out she's a compulsive cheater, I'd pimp her. Kinda like what happened to Lawrence Fishburne's "little girl". Don't throw a fit. Roll with the punches. Find out what her limits are, sexually, and then start bringing home "friends". Charge them a fee and don't let her know. Once you've made enough money, quietly break up the relationship.  
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: forillagorilla on February 27, 2015, 08:41:08 PM
I see only one option.

(http://cdn3.dogomedia.com/pictures/6619/content/holegetimage.aspx.jpg)

You'd go dig a ditch???  Wtf for
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: chaos on February 27, 2015, 08:44:48 PM
well mate iŽll tell you what i did years ago to a slut i was banging. i was 18 at the time and was seeing this Girl back home for about a year. I went to the Army and when i came back my Brother told me she was getting friendly with a guy when i was away. if she fucked him i never found out but the chances are high. So when i came back on leave i took her out and pretended i knew nothing. took her back home Fucked her and as i was pulling my pants on said, Get out you slut. she started crying and said i was a Bastard ..hihi... felt good. i never saw the guy she was seeing but my Brother smashed him up good. This is the rules.
::)
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: Donny on February 28, 2015, 01:06:22 AM
::)
8) donŽt cry Chaos. OK look if it boosts your ego on getbig...you are the biggest and badess bald cranium on getbig no one can argue with that  ;D
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: Pray_4_War on February 28, 2015, 02:36:27 AM
So your girl/wife comes to you and says she cheated. BUT, she says, "well, I didnt bang him, I just gave him head but didnt swallow it" 

Is taking a guys man meat in her throat and swallowing his kids worse if she banged the dude?


This question assumes that I give a shit about what any bitch does.  I don't.

I really don't care if some whore i'm seeing "cheats" on me because I'm already out there doing the most.

If you have feelings for any woman you are a fucking fool.  They aren't loyal and they age like milk.  The only feelings I care about is the feeling I get when I empty my balls onto their face.  Fuck them and chuck them.  Get out there and find the new model.  Upgrade that shit son.  Act like a man.
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: mr.turbo on February 28, 2015, 02:45:47 AM

This question assumes that I give a shit about what any bitch does.  I don't.

I really don't care if some whore i'm seeing "cheats" on me because I'm already out there doing the most.

If you have feelings for any woman you are a fucking fool.  They aren't loyal and they age like milk.  The only feelings I care about is the feeling I get when I empty my balls onto their face.  Fuck them and chuck them.  Get out there and find the new model.  Upgrade that shit son.  Act like a man.

excellent advice

thanks for sharing
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Post by: Pray_4_War on February 28, 2015, 02:50:37 AM
excellent advice

thanks for sharing

You're welcome.  Come to my seminar.
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Post by: Parker on February 28, 2015, 02:55:52 AM
You're welcome.  Come to my seminar.
The first thing done at your seminar is that all assembled shall raise their hands and say the prayer for war. This ancient prayer unifies the collective masculine energy in said seminar. Thus helping to remove any irrational decisions that are made by one's emotions.
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Post by: BigRo on February 28, 2015, 02:57:57 AM
pray for war what you say about love making? in order to pump multiple 10's dost one have to do it like a robotic machine?
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Post by: Pray_4_War on February 28, 2015, 03:47:59 AM
pray for war what you say about love making? in order to pump multiple 10's dost one have to do it like a robotic machine?

Love making is a construct of Hollywood.  I prefer to fuck.  Regardless, I understand your question so I shall answer it.

Fucking multiple 10's is reserved for only those men of great wealth and/or superior facial aesthetics. Most men, including myself, are not able to meet such a high standard.  Thus, I pump multiple 8's and 9's...and yes, I do it in a machine-like robotic manner.  All the while I think about ways to enrich myself so I can upgrade the level of pussy that is attainable to me.  Now, if you are interested in actually pleasing the woman(and I am not) then I suggest either.....

a.  Having a large cock that is big enough to get them off quickly.

or

b.  Fuck them with your small to moderate sized cock while grinding your pelvis against their clitoris.
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: Pray_4_War on February 28, 2015, 03:53:39 AM
The first thing done at your seminar is that all assembled shall raise their hands and say the prayer for war. This ancient prayer unifies the collective masculine energy in said seminar. Thus helping to remove any irrational decisions that are made by one's emotions.

Indeed you are correct.  I see you read the hand out.  You have taken your first step into a larger world.
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: falco on February 28, 2015, 03:57:42 AM
Love making is a construct of Hollywood.  I prefer to fuck.  Regardless, I understand your question so I shall answer it.

Fucking multiple 10's is reserved for only those men of great wealth and/or superior facial aesthetics. Most men, including myself, are not able to meet such a high standard.  Thus, I pump multiple 8's and 9's...and yes, I do it in a machine-like robotic manner.  All the while I think about ways to enrich myself so I can upgrade the level of pussy that is attainable to me.  Now, if you are interested in actually pleasing the woman(and I am not) then I suggest either.....

a.  Having a large cock that is big enough to get them off quickly.

or

b.  Fuck them with your small to moderate sized cock while grinding your pelvis against their clitoris.

A big cock only causes pain and disconfort in women. You cannot copulate at will.
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: Pray_4_War on February 28, 2015, 04:02:57 AM
A big cock only causes pain and disconfort in women. You cannot copulate at will.

Incorrect sir.  Only if your cock is abnormally long will you cause noticeable discomfort.  Ideally what you want is a cock of great width but only average to slightly above average length. 
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: falco on February 28, 2015, 04:09:43 AM
Incorrect sir.  Only if your cock is abnormally long will you cause noticeable discomfort.  Ideally what you want is a cock of great width but only average to slightly above average length. 

Can a "great width" penis still fit inside her mouth? Or does she has to have a special jaw? ::)
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Post by: Sokolsky on February 28, 2015, 04:14:18 AM
You'd go dig a ditch???  Wtf for

Gardening purposes.
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Post by: Pray_4_War on February 28, 2015, 04:14:56 AM
Can a "great width" penis still fit inside her mouth? Or does she has to have a special jaw? ::)

It will usually still fit in her mouth.  However, she may be reluctant to let you put it in her ass.

A large cock is often a blessing and a curse.
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: ramana on February 28, 2015, 04:25:50 AM
women are all whores

get this in your head

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Post by: BigRo on February 28, 2015, 04:42:33 AM
I find it more satisfying to connect emotionally/energetically/spiritually with the woman/women I intercourse. And also I get off on satisfying them as much as myself. Must not be a true alpha.
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: ramana on February 28, 2015, 04:46:33 AM
I find it more satisfying to connect emotionally/energetically/spiritually with the woman/women I intercourse. And also I get off on satisfying them as much as myself. Must not be a true alpha.
gotta be honest that's pretty beta but very common
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Post by: Julio Ceasar on February 28, 2015, 04:56:32 AM
cheating is just a word for teens. When u get older u dont give a fuck, bcz 99.9% of couples arent in love anymore, just live togheter and doing their shit! Maybe sex once every second month...
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Post by: BigRo on February 28, 2015, 05:08:19 AM
pity your ideal of alpha entails being a one dimensional robot Halo.
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Post by: Donny on February 28, 2015, 05:16:59 AM
Love making is a construct of Hollywood.  I prefer to fuck.  Regardless, I understand your question so I shall answer it.

Fucking multiple 10's is reserved for only those men of great wealth and/or superior facial aesthetics. Most men, including myself, are not able to meet such a high standard.  Thus, I pump multiple 8's and 9's...and yes, I do it in a machine-like robotic manner.  All the while I think about ways to enrich myself so I can upgrade the level of pussy that is attainable to me.  Now, if you are interested in actually pleasing the woman(and I am not) then I suggest either.....

a.  Having a large cock that is big enough to get them off quickly.

or

b.  Fuck them with your small to moderate sized cock while grinding your pelvis against their clitoris.
or get one of these...
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: ramana on February 28, 2015, 05:20:16 AM
pity your ideal of alpha entails being a one dimensional robot Halo.
pittying people is a survival mechanism to make you feel better about yourself
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Post by: BigRo on February 28, 2015, 05:21:52 AM
I dont need to one up others to feel better about myself.
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Post by: chaos on February 28, 2015, 07:13:08 AM
8) donŽt cry Chaos. OK look if it boosts your ego on getbig...you are the biggest and badess bald cranium on getbig no one can argue with that  ;D
Nothing to do with me, old man. I think it's funny for all the tough guy, slapping, choking, ass kicking talk you do (especially in PM) you had to have your brother beat up the guy banging your chick. Lol :D
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Post by: Donny on February 28, 2015, 07:23:20 AM
Nothing to do with me, old man. I think it's funny for all the tough guy, slapping, choking, ass kicking talk you do (especially in PM) you had to have your brother beat up the guy banging your chick. Lol :D
I am glad to see i have really got inside your large Cranium Chaos...was it the fact i said you are a porker or that you ain't the Hardest Baddest on here ?  :-\  what PM ??
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Post by: _aj_ on February 28, 2015, 07:36:15 AM
Love making is a construct of Hollywood.  I prefer to fuck.  Regardless, I understand your question so I shall answer it.

Fucking multiple 10's is reserved for only those men of great wealth and/or superior facial aesthetics. Most men, including myself, are not able to meet such a high standard.  Thus, I pump multiple 8's and 9's...and yes, I do it in a machine-like robotic manner.  All the while I think about ways to enrich myself so I can upgrade the level of pussy that is attainable to me.  Now, if you are interested in actually pleasing the woman(and I am not) then I suggest either.....

a.  Having a large cock that is big enough to get them off quickly.

or

b.  Fuck them with your small to moderate sized cock while grinding your pelvis against their clitoris.

Fucking 9s and 10s is simply a factor of whether or not you have a "decent black truck"
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: ramana on February 28, 2015, 07:38:43 AM
Fucking 9s and 10s is simply a factor of whether or not you have a "decent black truck"
who really careas ab out 9 or 10

when reality is that most people pussy rating dont corelate with overall rating

a 7 with a golden pussy (aesthetic neatly folded thick slimy viscuosity pussy water that feels so damn sweet on the cock meat) beats a 9 with a trash pussy (meat flaps, watery pussy juice)
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: _aj_ on February 28, 2015, 07:44:47 AM
who really careas ab out 9 or 10

when reality is that most people pussy rating dont corelate with overall rating

a 7 with a golden pussy (aesthetic neatly folded thick slimy viscuosity pussy water that feels so damn sweet on the cock meat) beats a 9 with a trash pussy (meat flaps, watery pussy juice)

You may have missed the Flintstones "decent black truck" thread. Your input would have been valuable.
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: ramana on February 28, 2015, 07:47:46 AM
You may have missed the Flintstones "decent black truck" thread. Your input would have been valuable.
i sent him a PM about it telling him what to do with his life

he replied with

"hahaha thanks"


dont think he has all his marbles
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: OneMoreRep on February 28, 2015, 07:57:24 AM
Maybe this is a good time to break up with her and move on??

Infidelity is a very real problem. Some say it's a sign of character weakness, others suggest it's an ingrained part of our DNA (read: Sex at Dawn by Christopher Ryan, who argues that we are hardwired to crave novelty, which leads to infidelity in marriages).

Either way, unless you two were merely dating and not in a steady relationship, you should probably move on.

If you feel hurt because you weigh out the situation as she having done something with another man, while she is technically yours (whatever that ever truly means), realize that prior to being with you, she had been with many men (just like you have been with many women), so in reality, it's merely a betrayal of trust.

If you can't trust friends, you stop associating with them. Likewise, if you have no trust in a romantic relationship, disassociate.

All the best...

"1"
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Post by: 240 is Back on February 28, 2015, 08:02:40 AM
Fuck them and chuck them. 

LOL getbig line of the month. 
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Post by: Archer77 on February 28, 2015, 08:11:58 AM
Maybe this is a good time to break up with her and move on??

Infidelity is a very real problem. Some say it's a sign of character weakness, others suggest it's an ingrained part of our DNA (read: Sex at Dawn by Christopher Ryan, who argues that we are hardwired to crave novelty, which leads to infidelity in marriages).

Either way, unless you two were merely dating and not in a steady relationship, you should probably move on.

If you feel hurt because you weigh out the situation as she having done something with another man, while she is technically yours (whatever that ever truly means), realize that prior to being with you, she had been with many men (just like you have been with many women), so in reality, it's merely a betrayal of trust.

If you can't trust friends, you stop associating with them. Likewise, if you have no trust in a romantic relationship, disassociate.

All the best...

"1"

I don't think it's as clear cut as Ryan makes it out to be.  Obviously there are people who are incapable of being monogamist. Like a lot human behavior sexuality exists on a spectrum and can be influenced by environmental factors.
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Post by: 2Thick on February 28, 2015, 10:14:44 AM
I don't think it's as clear cut as Ryan makes it out to be.  Obviously there are people who are incapable of being monogamist. Like a lot human behavior sexuality exists on a spectrum and can be influenced by environmental factors.

Maybe she was somehow "tricked" into blowing the guy? Would that make it the other guy's fault and not hers?

Could it be an equal pay issue? Income inequality? Or perhaps climate change may have messed with her hormones and caused temporary insanity? Should Mike give her the benefit of the doubt? 
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: Archer77 on February 28, 2015, 10:36:24 AM
Maybe she was somehow "tricked" into blowing the guy? Would that make it the other guy's fault and not hers?

Could it be an equal pay issue? Income inequality? Or perhaps climate change may have messed with her hormones and caused temporary insanity? Should Mike give her the benefit of the doubt? 

She probably told him she was feeling lonely because he wasn't giving her enough attention.  This seems to be the standard female excuse. This excuse allows the women to blame the man. Somehow emotional cheating isnt as bad as cheating because you wanted to fuck someone else. If a man were to argue he cheated because his woman  didn't give him enough pussy he would be considered a dog.
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: 2Thick on February 28, 2015, 10:39:04 AM
She probably told him she was feeling lonely because he wasn't giving her enough attention.  This seems to be the standard female excuse. This excuse allows the women to blame the man. Somehow emotional cheating isnt as bad as cheating because you wanted to fuck someone else. If a man were to argue he cheated because his woman  didn't give him enough pussy he would be considered a dog.

Seems like she could just blame Bush and it would be settled?  :-\
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: chaos on February 28, 2015, 10:55:32 AM
I am glad to see i have really got inside your large Cranium Chaos...was it the fact i said you are a porker or that you ain't the Hardest Baddest on here ?  :-\  what PM ??
Drunken Donny playing up the "I don't remember all the tough guy threatening PM's I send" card. ::)
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: Donny on February 28, 2015, 11:33:25 AM
Drunken Donny playing up the "I don't remember all the tough guy threatening PM's I send" card. ::)
Chaos.. grow up  ::)
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: funk51 on February 28, 2015, 02:08:37 PM
So your girl/wife comes to you and says she cheated. BUT, she says, "well, I didnt bang him, I just gave him head but didnt swallow it" 

Is taking a guys man meat in her throat and swallowing his kids worse if she banged the dude?
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) a or b
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on February 28, 2015, 02:37:18 PM
Set her up with Milo's...He's been known to eat the pussy of whores...
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: Melkor on February 28, 2015, 03:49:58 PM
So your girl/wife comes to you and says she cheated. BUT, she says, "well, I didnt bang him, I just gave him head but didnt swallow it" 

Is taking a guys man meat in her throat and swallowing his kids worse if she banged the dude?

Does she regularly, if ever, give you head?

Either way, I would cut her loose. And only giving him head is worse than if she had of banged him. I mean, she didn't even get off herself, she only serviced him so it's not like she couldn't resist. If the relationship was mutually monogamous, she needs to be dropped.
Title: Re: What's Worse??????????
Post by: 2Thick on March 01, 2015, 01:22:57 PM
Maybe it was a member of ISIS and she had no choice - give head or lose head.