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From time to time people put up pictures of Vince Gironda and get comments like "perfect" and "what a great physique", but I've never felt it was anything special, so what gives?
He only competed twice :
1950 Mr. USA -4th (wasn't possible to place any lower, the 4th place was shared with 3 others)
1951 AAU Mr. America -2nd (only three guys competing in total)
Most favored bodybuilders from back in the day at least had some outstanding bodyparts, I find it hard to tell what Vince's would be? No traps, not much upper chest (even after all talk about training methods for that), decent lats but I can't seem to find a single photo of his back from behind, decent shoulders, arms nothing special (arms and forearms about the same size), not much legs to speak of, mediocre calves)
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Good physique, but heard this guy was the biggest douchebag of his era.
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you have to consider the era , nobody was ripped until vince came along besides elias rod...z in the early mr a contest
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Arnold went to meet Vince for the first time at his gym after he won the Mr. Universe title the 3rd time. Arnold said he introduced himself saying: Hi im Arnold Schwarzenegger and im Mr. Universe. Vince looked at him and said: to me you are nothing but a fat fuck!
That was the last time Arnold was bulking in of season he said. So, it made Arnold always stay sub 9%.
Arnold was shocked to hear someone calling him a fat fuck! lol
Vince was a good bodybuilder but he was more like a Guru to the Bb field.
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Good physique, but heard this guy was the biggest douchebag of his era.
Yeah man he was. I mean read some of his later quotes and decide for youself....
"Nope.
Might as well paint a nipple on a volleyball. Nothing against anyone else's personal choice....but the name says it all for me ...its a FAKE TIT."
"How so ? they are real muscles. The comparison you are looking for is Synthol. which I don't need because I have world class genetics"
"lets see your perfect physique. at least I have strong points , what do you have ?
"Good enough to be a mr olympia.
I didn't realize all you guys were perfect with no weak points "
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I met Vince several times in the mid 1950s when I would drop by his gym on Ventura Blvd. in L.A. to buy protein powder only he carried at the time. Again after a show in which he judged (me) in the mid 1980s. Vince was one of those self invented "gurus" who because of his love for bodybuilding, his caustic voice, blind opinions and his swagger...got himself into the magazines and standing next to everyone who was important at the time. His pic was everywhere. For years he would write articles about working out and nutrition that he must have come up with at 3am. Crazy ass diets, "no squats","no music allowed in the gym", "a muscle has 4 sides"....on and on. Peary Reader gave him a monthly column in Iron Man Magazine. When Steve Reeves quit training at Bert Goodrich's Hollywood Gym (my hangout) and moved over to Girionda's a lot of Hollywood types, Bill Smith, Mickey Hargitay and more, followed. Larry Scott also moved over. Vince suddenly became "Trainer to the Stars". Poor Joe Weider could not have a photo shoot without Vince inserting his little self in the pic.
So when you think physique think also Bob Kennedy (Muscle Mag) and Joe Weider. Slight of build ectos like Vince who loved and promoted our sport. BTW I never ever heard of Vince and "great physique" in the same sentence in my time.
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"A muscle has four sides" haha that's a good one :D
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his physique would still be a standout to this day. respect.
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From time to time people put up pictures of Vince Gironda and get comments like "perfect" and "what a great physique", but I've never felt it was anything special, so what gives?
He only competed twice :
1950 Mr. USA -4th (wasn't possible to place any lower, the 4th place was shared with 3 others)
1951 AAU Mr. America -2nd (only three guys competing in total)
Most favored bodybuilders from back in the day at least had some outstanding bodyparts, I find it hard to tell what Vince's would be? No traps, not much upper chest (even after all talk about training methods for that), decent lats but I can't seem to find a single photo of his back from behind, decent shoulders, arms nothing special (arms and forearms about the same size), not much legs to speak of, mediocre calves)
Hi Vince
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From time to time people put up pictures of Vince Gironda and get comments like "perfect" and "what a great physique", but I've never felt it was anything special, so what gives?
He only competed twice :
1950 Mr. USA -4th (wasn't possible to place any lower, the 4th place was shared with 3 others)
1951 AAU Mr. America -2nd (only three guys competing in total)
Most favored bodybuilders from back in the day at least had some outstanding bodyparts, I find it hard to tell what Vince's would be? No traps, not much upper chest (even after all talk about training methods for that), decent lats but I can't seem to find a single photo of his back from behind, decent shoulders, arms nothing special (arms and forearms about the same size), not much legs to speak of, mediocre calves)
are you on drugs?
his chest is thick top to bottom. how many guys you see today even running mega doses and gh w that kind of depth up top? not too fucking many.
traps? the fuck he want traps for. are traps a classic look? traps take away from your lines and symmetry if your trying to build a classical looking physique not enhance it.
his arms chest shoulders lat insertions all tie in fucking awesomely. nothing 'stands out' to you as that's about as complete a body you'll see. and that's what those guys strived for. symmetry and no one body party being better than the next. they are all equally good.
you really need to pull your head out of your ass.
that's a fucking AWESOME physique no matter what era just given the quality and balance of it, and what he built it on.
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From time to time people put up pictures of Vince Gironda and get comments like "perfect" and "what a great physique", but I've never felt it was anything special, so what gives?
He only competed twice :
1950 Mr. USA -4th (wasn't possible to place any lower, the 4th place was shared with 3 others)
1951 AAU Mr. America -2nd (only three guys competing in total)
Most favored bodybuilders from back in the day at least had some outstanding bodyparts, I find it hard to tell what Vince's would be? No traps, not much upper chest (even after all talk about training methods for that), decent lats but I can't seem to find a single photo of his back from behind, decent shoulders, arms nothing special (arms and forearms about the same size), not much legs to speak of, mediocre calves)
where are your blue stars?
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Yeah man he was. I mean read some of his later quotes and decide for youself....
"Nope.
Might as well paint a nipple on a volleyball. Nothing against anyone else's personal choice....but the name says it all for me ...its a FAKE TIT."
"How so ? they are real muscles. The comparison you are looking for is Synthol. which I don't need because I have world class genetics"
"lets see your perfect physique. at least I have strong points , what do you have ?
"Good enough to be a mr olympia.
I didn't realize all you guys were perfect with no weak points "
lol haha, noone knows what you did there... useless lot.
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How do you think it compares to say the body of Hugh Jackman?
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these were the first really ripped guys of their respective eras, judges had a hard time placing them , because they weren't like everybody else. mass vs cuts and mass dominated the day.
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you have to consider the era , nobody was ripped until vince came along besides elias rod...z in the early mr a contest
Looks natural to me. Fantastic abs. Solid 1950's physique. Still looks great today.
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Something about his face always makes me want to punch him.
He has that "im a smug asshole" look, like all the time.
This is knowing nothing about the man or his real personality, mind you.
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If a body part jumps out at you then it's a fault.
Balanced physiques don't have standout body parts.
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You can't judge from a 2014 perspective. You have to have context. He had definition in an era when it hadn't yet been seen.
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Whatabout Jules Bacon? He seems pretty ripped to me. He competed in the 40's.
Or how about Steve Reeves in the late 50īs?
Eugen Sandow was pretty ripped in the late 1800's too.
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Something about his face always makes me want to punch him.
He has that "im a smug asshole" look, like all the time.
This is knowing nothing about the man or his real personality, mind you.
vince answers from the grave.... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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How do you think it compares to say the body of Hugh Jackman?
vince always wanted to give the illusion of size and width. jackman looks narrow shouldered and small but ripped.
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Whatabout Jules Bacon? He seems pretty ripped to me. He competed in the 40's.
Or how about Steve Reeves in the late 50īs?
Eugen Sandow was pretty ripped in the late 1800's too.
there was a few guys but those 4 were the major ripped guys in their eras. but guys like that weren't always placed well in competition. as ill. below.
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there was a few guys but those 4 were the major ripped guys in their eras. but guys like that weren't always placed well in competition. as ill. below.
guy on the right actually came in fifth in the 1955 mr america contest and didn't even win most muscular.....
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From time to time people put up pictures of Vince Gironda and get comments like "perfect" and "what a great physique", but I've never felt it was anything special, so what gives?
He only competed twice :
1950 Mr. USA -4th (wasn't possible to place any lower, the 4th place was shared with 3 others)
1951 AAU Mr. America -2nd (only three guys competing in total)
Most favored bodybuilders from back in the day at least had some outstanding bodyparts, I find it hard to tell what Vince's would be? No traps, not much upper chest (even after all talk about training methods for that), decent lats but I can't seem to find a single photo of his back from behind, decent shoulders, arms nothing special (arms and forearms about the same size), not much legs to speak of, mediocre calves)
So, you would like your boyfriend to have a better physique?
Bigger arms to hold, bigger shoulders to lean on.
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vince answers from the grave.... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Haha, exactly. Ultimate punchable face.
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Haha, exactly. Ultimate punchable face.
Ok, "cockwave" , you want your boyfriend to have a different face, we gather.
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Ok, "cockwave" , you want your boyfriend to have a different face, we gather.
probably this one. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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probably this one. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Yes, "cockcrave" has a very precise idea how his ideal partner should look.
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Having that kind of size and balance back in those days was quite the achievement, especially without the supplements and crazy amounts of gear we have now.
Vince may have been a hardass, but he walked the walk.
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Having that kind of size and balance back in those days was quite the achievement, especially without the supplements and crazy amounts of gear we have now.
Vince may have been a hardass, but he walked the walk.
You are talking as if every other guy these days looks like that or better.
Where do you live?
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You are talking as if every other guy these days looks like that or better.
Quite the opposite, actually. Very few guys these days look as good as Vince did.
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Vince Gironda was very articulate and payed Attention to Detail. I mean if i ask some guys at the Gym do you think Sartorius development is important .. they wonīt even know it runs from the inside of the upper thigh down to itīs Insertion on the inner side of the upper knee. he trained it doing a Version of adduction using two low pulleys. No machines when he did it. Leaning back on leg extensions Training the upper quad groin area...Sissy squats... he did leg Training very different to most at that time. he really planned his physique. i donīt like all what he said but he did know his anatomy.
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Ok, "cockwave" , you want your boyfriend to have a different face, we gather.
Ill settle for you, stud.
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Ill settle for you, stud.
::) :o
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::) :o
:D
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I'm with OP on this.
I think we all can agree that Girondas lower body isn't all that great. That leaves the upper body and, however symmetrical it may be, it doesn't have much of a wow-factor other than his low lat insertions. So what if his arms are symmetrical if they're not developed...
His torso is also somewhat short in proportion to his legs and in combination with said low lat insertion it looks kind of funky imo (I have the same problem with Bannout, his torso almost looks "compressed" to me).
Sure it's a decent physique but, just as OP, I don't see all the hoopla.
While I can acknowledge his achievement considering the limitations of his era I don't see the point of making a PERSONAL aesthetic/visual judgment today with the glasses of back then. It makes absolutely no sense.
It's like having a really old picture of an ugly woman on my wall and "rationalizing" that she's beatiful by telling myself that they didn't have dental care back then...
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women from that era good as or worse than now.
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I'm with OP on this.
I think we all can agree that Girondas lower body isn't all that great. That leaves the upper body and, however symmetrical it may be, it doesn't have much of a wow-factor other than his low lat insertions. So what if his arms are symmetrical if they're not developed...
His torso is also somewhat short in proportion to his legs and in combination with said low lat insertion it looks kind of funky imo (I have the same probelm with Bannout, his torso almost looks "compressed" to me).
Sure it's a decent physique but, just as OP, I don't see all the hoopla.
While I can "appreciate" his achievement considering the limitations of his era I don't see the point of making a PERSONAL aesthetic/visual judgment today with the glasses of back then. It makes absolutely no sense.
It's like having a really old picture of an ugly woman on my wall and "rationalizing" that she's beatiful by telling myself that they didn't have dental care back then...
Not "back then".
He looks better than firstly all the untrained people in the world, this includes you.
Second, he looks better than 99% of people who workout these days.
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Gironda was like the proto - Zane. His physique had flow, a bit of size, he was pleasingly ripped, and that magical "pop" to the muscles that body builders talk about.
Others had some of those qualities, but he was one of the first to sort of bridge various eras.
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Not "back then".
He looks better than firstly all the untrained people in the world, this includes you.
Second, he looks better than 99% of people who workout these days.
I think you're missing the point of my "back-then-vs-now-analogy"...
Redundant statements as I'm not comparing him to untrained people or regular gym goers. Given the context of this discussion, being a bodybuilding forum, it should be quite obvious that I'm comparing him to other accomplished bodybuilders.
Your fondness of the guy is duly noted though.
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Redundant statements as I'm not comparing him to untrained people or regular gym goers. Given the context of this discussion, being a bodybuilding forum, it should be quite obvious that I'm comparing him to other accomplished bodybuilders.
Your fondness of the guy is duly noted though.
Complex carbs is that poster that just goes on the offensive with everyone. He takes the opposite stance of whatever is said and argues with anyone and everyone..
Its just his thing.
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I think you're missing the point of my "back-then-vs-now-analogy"...
Redundant statements as I'm not comparing him to untrained people or regular gym goers. Given the context of this discussion, being a bodybuilding forum, it should be quite obvious that I'm comparing him to other accomplished bodybuilders.
Your fondness of the guy is duly noted though.
You daft girl are comparing him with the 2000's onward olympia line up.
Being a bodybuilding forum?
That is a good point, are you a bodybuilder?
(no)
Why are you here?
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Yeah man he was. I mean read some of his later quotes and decide for youself....
"Nope.
Might as well paint a nipple on a volleyball. Nothing against anyone else's personal choice....but the name says it all for me ...its a FAKE TIT."
"How so ? they are real muscles. The comparison you are looking for is Synthol. which I don't need because I have world class genetics"
"lets see your perfect physique. at least I have strong points , what do you have ?
"Good enough to be a mr olympia.
I didn't realize all you guys were perfect with no weak points "
WAIDDAMINUTE!
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Complex carbs is that poster that just goes on the offensive with everyone. He takes the opposite stance of whatever is said and argues with anyone and everyone..
Its just his thing.
I should have figured, guess he got me this time. :D
Thanks for the heads up!
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women from that era good as or worse than now.
. Yes.. Minus the flip flops, tatoos and entitled attitude. Thank you sir.
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WAIDDAMINUTE!
lol haha, noone knows what you did there... useless lot.
Vince was quite the narcissist huh? Lol
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Here's some live action shots from 1947 and the 50's -
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And a bit from various training tapes, I would've guessed him to have a different type of voice and mannerism -
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Vince Gironda was very articulate and payed Attention to Detail. I mean if i ask some guys at the Gym do you think Sartorius development is important .. they wonīt even know it runs from the inside of the upper thigh down to itīs Insertion on the inner side of the upper knee. he trained it doing a Version of adduction using two low pulleys. No machines when he did it. Leaning back on leg extensions Training the upper quad groin area...Sissy squats... he did leg Training very different to most at that time. he really planned his physique. i donīt like all what he said but he did know his anatomy.
You can see all that you wrote in his leg development :D
Very thoughtful guy but not very open to ideas other than his own.
Was credited in Muscle Publications as developing Larry Scott but Larry disliked him immensely, said in press that Vince was ultimately Jealous of Larry's success and a complete cunt.
Still , his teachings are very interesting and I agree with "certain exercises work certain areas more than others" - he was all about shaping/sculpting the muscle with certain moves and size will follow with the
illusion these moves creates.
Very bright man although very closed minded from many accounts :)
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Let me tell you guys something. Back in the early 80's Vince's books were the holy grail of bodybuilding.
I lived in the UK and we thought Weider was a joke but Vince was taken seriously in terms of nutrition and bodybuilding exercise form.
He had a very good physique back in the day and later on he had an addiction to vodka. I trained at Vince's maybe 20 times when I was on secondment to the US Navy when I was in the RAF back in the 80's. He was a cheeky bastard but you could see that he had deep feelings beneath the gruff exterior, just like most vodka addicts.
He was a bit cheeky to me and my English bodybuilding training partner the first time we walked into his gym. When I spoke he asked me what language I was speaking. I told him I was Glasgow Scottish and he asked me why I wasn't wearing a skirt. I told him the garment was called a kilt and if he ever spoke to me like that again I would burst his jaw so hard his blood would cover his celling. From that moment on he was a proper gent.
I remember during my third or fourth visit it was a Saturday evening and I invited him and his son Guy out for a scotch whiskey drinking session and he said yes. We must have drunk 2 bottles of Scotch that night in the local bars and I awoke in his gym around 6.00 am on the floor. No idea how I got here but Vince turned up at 7.00am looking fresh as a daisy and called me a Scottish lightweight.
First and last time anyone called me that but I believe Vince lived on Vodka for the last 10 years of his life and had developed a tolerance way beyond the average man. I will always remember him with great respect.
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How do you think it compares to say the body of Hugh Jackman?
Jackman is an actor with a decent physique, but he is no bodybuilder. Vince had a bodybuilder's build in his time. There is no comparison....both have good abs is all.
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women from that era good as or worse than now.
Many women in this era had nice hourglass figures, but without the extremely fat asses and giant fake boobies you see on many women today. I prefer this look to the seemingly popular look these days.
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I think you're missing the point of my "back-then-vs-now-analogy"...
Redundant statements as I'm not comparing him to untrained people or regular gym goers. Given the context of this discussion, being a bodybuilding forum, it should be quite obvious that I'm comparing him to other accomplished bodybuilders.
Your fondness of the guy is duly noted though.
So is this the comparison you're thinking of?
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Gironda looks much better than the guy below. THAT is bodybuilding.. below is a degeneration of what was known as bodybuilding at one time.
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Gironda looks much better than the guy below. THAT is bodybuilding.. below is a degeneration of what was known as bodybuilding at one time.
Call it the Superhero syndrome and the bigger is better effect.
I'll take Vince's physique any day. Much healthier and clothes actually fit in the event you don't want to spend the rest of your life in a thong.
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So is this the comparison you're thinking of?
Stupid assumption on your part, especially considering your less than well-known bodybuilder as an example (I've never seen that guy before) - and even if he were to act as a model for a type of physique, and not a specific one to be used in the comparison with Vince, you'd be drawing on your own biased conclusions. There's something called theory of mind, which you seem to fail at, that you should read up on.
Here's a reference of what I'm comparing to Vince.
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Stupid assumption on your part, especially considering your less than well-known bodybuilder as an example (I've never seen that guy before) - and even if he were to act as a model for a type of physique, and not a specific one to be used in the comparison with Vince, you'd be drawing on your own biased conclusions. There's something called theory of mind, which you seem to fail at, that you should read up on.
Here's a reference of what I'm comparing to Vince.
Is this not a quote from one of your posts?
I think you're missing the point of my "back-then-vs-now-analogy"...
Serge Nubret had a very good build. Unarguably better than Vince's, but they are from the same era. Serge is hardly an example of the look of most of today's pro bodybuilding competitors.
In 1958, back in Guadeloupe after accounting studies, Serge decided to dedicate himself to bodybuilding which was to become, in his own words, his "reason for being." Gifted with real artistic aptitudes, Serge Nubret was then ready to fulfilling his potential of becoming the "sculptor of his own body".
1958: Mr. Guadeloupe
1960: IFBB World Most Muscular Man
1963: NABBA Pro Mr. Universe (2nd)
1964: NABBA Pro Mr. Universe (2nd)
1969: NABBA Pro Mr. Universe (3rd)
1969: IFBB Mr. World (Tall) (2nd)
1970: IFBB Mr. Europe (Tall)
1972: IFBB Mr. Olympia (3rd)
1973: IFBB Mr. Olympia (3rd)
1975: IFBB Mr. Olympia (Heavy Weight, 3rd)
1976: NABBA Pro Mr. Universe
1976: WBBG Mr. Olympus (2nd)
1977: NABBA Pro Mr. Universe (2nd)
1977: WBBG Mr. Olympus
1977: WBBG Pro Mr. World
1978: NABBA Pro. Mr. Universe (2nd)
1981: Pro WABBA World Championships
1983: Pro WABBA World Championships
Vince was born long before Serge, but I think it is safe to say they were from the same bodybuilding period. His list of titles supports the fact that Serge was a superior bodybuilder.
1950 Mr. USA -4th
1951 AAU Mr. America -2nd
I picked someone less well known intentionally. In terms of being a title holder, Vince would have been pretty unknown too if all he'd accomplished was those two titles. He was better known for his contribution to bodybuilding because of his gym, training philosophy and seemingly sometimes abrasive personality.
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Primemuscle, you too are missing my point. I'm not talking about judging past bodybuilders versus present ones in terms of eras vs eras, in stead I'm talking about that on a subjective level of what's appealing/impressive you need to weigh personal preferences that's not limited in one context of time.
A visual judgment is that of a visual judgment, no more and no less, and everything else, such as "the limitations of an era vs the opportunities of another", doesn't affect the appreciation of a strictly visual judgment in the now.
The reason as to why I mentioned past vs present is that I'm trying to make a distinction between aesthetical appreciaton of something and the effort that lies behind it - as people seem to have a tendency to make aestetic valuations based on other circumstances.
Not sure if it makes things any clearer but I'm not willing to delve any deeper in this right now.
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Ring Flyes are in vogue now.. but Vince was doing them Years ago.. Read through some Training articles on here. Enjoy... ;)
http://www.ironguru.com/chest/
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Primemuscle, you too are missing my point. I'm not talking about judging past bodybuilders versus present ones in terms of eras vs eras, in stead I'm talking about that on a subjective level of what's appealing/impressive you need to weigh personal preferences that's not limited in one context of time.
A visual judgment is that of a visual judgment, no more and no less, and everything else, such as "the limitations of an era vs the opportunities of another", doesn't affect the appreciation of a strictly visual judgment in the now.
The reason as to why I mentioned past vs present is that I'm trying to make a distinction between aesthetical appreciaton of something and the effort that lies behind it - as people seem to have a tendency to make aestetic valuations based on other circumstances.
Not sure if it makes things any clearer but I'm not willing to delve any deeper in this right now.
It makes things clearer....sort of.
What you have failed to consider it seems is that what is considered aesthetically appealing changes over time. Personal preferences should be the criteria each of us uses to make our own judgments and it usually is. However, if the current look of heavily muscled bodies often at the expense of symmetry are what today's bodybuilding competitions are geared towards, a professional judge judging today's bodybuilders on yesteryear's standards would be wrong.
My personal preference today is based on what I have concluded is a healthy, muscled, symmetrical, maybe natural physique. Although there was a time when my preference was more towards the very heavily muscled physique, after getting marginally bulked up myself, I realized how unhealthy and often unattractive such a look is outside of the competition area.
Personally, I would be pleased to look as good as either Serge or Vince or a host of other bodybuilders from that time period. There are still bodybuilders with what I consider good builds today, but they aren't competing in the heavyweight classes and they aren't winning the big prizes.
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Yeah man he was. I mean read some of his later quotes and decide for youself....
"Nope.
Might as well paint a nipple on a volleyball. Nothing against anyone else's personal choice....but the name says it all for me ...its a FAKE TIT."
"How so ? they are real muscles. The comparison you are looking for is Synthol. which I don't need because I have world class genetics"
"lets see your perfect physique. at least I have strong points , what do you have ?
"Good enough to be a mr olympia.
I didn't realize all you guys were perfect with no weak points "
just saw this
funniest non acknowledged post ever ;D
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Primemuscle, not entirely sure that we're on the same page, or even in the same book, as far as this discussion goes but I'll leave it at that.
We do however seem to have some similar preferences when it comes to bodybuilding physiques, apart from Vince - I just don't find him that impressive. ;D
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:o top guy from 40's vacuum vs top guy from 2000 vacuum. progress ???? your call.
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"thegaystranger" seems to prefer hairy top-bears
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just saw this
funniest non acknowledged post ever ;D
:-*
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The special thing about Gironda's physique was that there was nothing special about any body part., nothing stood out or seems out of place. Everything just seems to balance and have harmony together. More of a classic type of body. Would guess the average man on the street would rather look like Gironda than the mass monsters of today.Of course with younger men, it's all about muscle mass (usually pumped or the bloated look). Older, and experience men, understand BB'ing is about the importance of the aesthetic look. When there is flow and harmony from one body part to another. He did very well for a smaller light boned man. Not sure of his bwt, back in his era, but guessing around 155-160...some of the old times maybe could answer that?
Gironda stressed delts/shoulder width, narrow waist and calves. It was all about illusion of width and the standout development of the calves. Think his flaw was not understand the importance of well developed abs that can be important in a classic look.. Traps distracted from the illusion of shoulder with, so were avoided, I had been told.
Never meet Mr. Gironda (way before my time), but have know a few old timers who have. A couple worked out at his North Hollywood (or was that Studio City?) gym on Ventura. Married 3 or 4 times I believe and in later years had money and drinking problems. Alimony, support, etc. among the problems. If anything, he was very, very inventive with exercises and diets (no or zero carbs...meat/eggs). Still has a influence on modern day BB'ing. His course are worth a look, if only to get a sense of where he was coming from.
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Wow that is a hideous picture of 'Big Greg'
And yes i know it's not A Good pic of greg.
Jezus though it's almost enough to make
you want to stop training.
Vince for the Win in that comparison.
Also defiantly Wider than Heath.
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Call it the Superhero syndrome and the bigger is better effect.
I'll take Vince's physique any day. Much healthier and clothes actually fit in the event you don't want to spend the rest of your life in a thong.
I agree