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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: theworm on May 12, 2007, 07:46:01 AM
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I cannot think of one predominantly black country that has it together. Jamaca, Haiti, every country in Africa... can't think of one that has a good economy, low poverty levels, low levels of violence.. why is this?
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this is the biggest question in bodybuilding!!!
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A lot of the countries you are taking about have been raped by US, Britain, France etc for hundreds of years. Try that for a start.
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you are right, EVERY black country was raped by the US and Britain...every single country in Africa. who cares, that was decades ago, why can't they get it together now?
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you are right, EVERY black country was raped by the US and Britain...every single country in Africa. who cares, that was decades ago, why can't they get it together now?
What's your point? Why does this weigh so heavily on your mind?
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I cannot think of one predominantly black country that has it together. Jamaca, Haiti, every country in Africa... can't think of one that has a good economy, low poverty levels, low levels of violence.. why is this?
I think South Africa is chugging along ok. Lots of the Caribbean islands are doing fine, at least from gross domestic figures. Course Africa and the islands have there share of basket cases, too.
/if you're trolling for a deterministic view of blacks being inferior thread, you can go fcuk yourself :)
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why do they still live in straw huts? when even the poorest people here have a home. intellectual problems? seriously, whats the problem here?
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Im glad you picked a topic about bodybuilding. ::)
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just a thought. i love black people, i just get frustrated by all the innocent black citizens who are getting screwed. if they didn;t get scewed, there would be more black BB (hence the tie in to the BB topic). ::))
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this thread is a waste of time because if you tell the truth it will be called "racism" and the posts will be deleted. ::)
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its more "nationalism." I am sick of all the coruption and poverty, and noone does shit about it. no one even discusses it b/c then it would be "racist."
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reason some countries do better than others are mostly depending on the politic systems and people in charge. south korea is doing great, north korea isnt, same genetics, same people but different results.
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maybe we need to push affirmitive action more
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this thread is a waste of time because if you tell the truth it will be called "racism" and the posts will be deleted. ::)
Hey fatboy
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Hey fatboy
hahahaha, i would call you what you are but it would be deleted, epic double standard, but hey at least i'm white, that automatically makes me better than you.
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and the world turns
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South Africa is doing very well, for the non-whites. Affirmative action is king at moment.
Serves white people that were responsible for oppression right. Not so much those that didnt share views.
So this reverse racism isnt really working, because non-whites are being pushed into jobs, that the only qualification they have is their skin color. Whilst qualified people, are unemployed.
Not good for economy long-term, but fantastic boost for previously oppressed individuals.
Surely 13 yrs after apartheid was officially abolished, they could ease up and give jobs on merit.
I see the neighbourig countries, Zimbabwe, Mozambique and Angola, and this push the old master away, we can handle it ourselves thing dont always work. Thats why Angola and Mozambique are now begging Portugal to be involved again and welcoming investment, etc with open arms.
Its ultimately the oppressors fault that uneducated, disadvantaged individuals suffer. But the wheel turns.
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In 20 years there's going to be another thread, written in Chinese, entitled "White Countries - what's wrong with those people that we rule them and determine their fate, are they an inferior race?"
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In 20 years there's going to be another thread, written in Chinese, entitled "White Countries - what's wrong with those people that we rule them and determine their fate, are they an inferior race?"
Maybe not as soon as that, but its coming, you're very right.
Sleeping giants.
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hahahaha, i would call you what you are but it would be deleted, epic double standard, but hey at least i'm white, that automatically makes me better than you.
Yes that must be it. ::) Dont worry you can call me "n" or whateva word you can think of. The fact still remains that you are a fat white man with breast bigger than women on boobsquad.com. ;D
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Yes that must be it. ::) Dont worry you can call me "n" or whateva word you can think of. The fact still remains that you are a fat white man with breast bigger than women on boobsquad.com. ;D
i'm still white though ;D i can go places and people don't turn around and walk the other way or lock their car doors when they see me approaching or hide their purses. ;D
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hahahaha i hate blacks
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Alot of the people here are racist, yet these guys are obsessed with the lives of bodybuilders (a large percentage of the champions in the biz are black). Ironic......Racist Muscle Worshippers hoping to be in the wrong end of a G4pay with these champs.
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hahahaha, i would call you what you are but it would be deleted, epic double standard, but hey at least i'm white, that automatically makes me better than you.
Is that "the truth" according to you, fatty? You can't even control your eating habits and you're superior? ::)
Epic Squadfather delusions. :D
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i'm still white though ;D i can go places and people don't turn around and walk the other way or lock their car doors when they see me approaching or hide their purses. ;D
I guess you need something to feel good about in life, fatty. You've got nothing else going for yourself. :D
Some people might enjoy the power of that fear and insecurity...it makes the one "walking the other way" seem weak.
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I cannot think of one predominantly black country that has it together. Jamaca, Haiti, every country in Africa... can't think of one that has a good economy, low poverty levels, low levels of violence.. why is this?
From my region try reading up on Bermuda, Bahamas, Cayman Islands, Netherlands Antilles, Nevis and the Virgin Islands. One of those nations has the highest per capita income in the world, and is majority black nation. Estimates put it up to 50% higher then the US. Same nation enjoys lower crime rates as well. These are tiny nations, some of the smallest out the 200+ in the world so not 'well known', and not that this will happen this is getbig after all, but before I get the screams of 'liar' please google it people :D
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In 20 years there's going to be another thread, written in Chinese, entitled "White Countries - what's wrong with those people that we rule them and determine their fate, are they an inferior race?"
American culture sucks. Someone needs to take over and change it, I dont care if the people cry out fascism or whatever. America is cranking out a bunch of wannabe actors, musicians and athletes, all the kids these days want to be one of them. Then they fail and lead less productive lives because of it. Meanwhile China, India and other places are cranking out doctors, physicists, mathmeticians etc. They will probably own us in 30-40 years
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From my region try reading up on Bermuda, Bahamas, Cayman Islands, Netherlands Antilles, Nevis and the Virgin Islands. One of those nations has the highest per capita income in the world, and is majority black nation. Estimates put it up to 50% higher then the US. Same nation enjoys lower crime rates as well. These are tiny nations, some of the smallest out the 200+ in the world so not 'well known', and not that this will happen this is getbig after all, but before I get the screams of 'liar' please google it people :D
Careful, CQ. Those figures are based on gross figures and are not likely to reflect real average incomes. The Caribbean is noted as having one of the highest, if not the, income gradient in the world -ie. difference between richest and poorest. And examples like the Caymans and NA are very deceptive as they reflect very intesive offshore banking contributions which skew any gross figures to the nth degree.
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Careful, CQ. Those figures are based on gross figures and are not likely to reflect real average incomes. The Caribbean is noted as having one of the highest, if not the, income gradient in the world -ie. difference between richest and poorest. And examples like the Caymans and NA are very deceptive as they reflect very intesive offshore banking contributions which skew any gross figures to the nth degree.
All country income data is skewed. The top 1% of Americans have the majority of the wealth in U.S. You think that doesn't affect the numbers...bringing up the average from those working at Walmart or McDonalds?
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Careful, CQ. Those figures are based on gross figures and are not likely to reflect real average incomes. The Caribbean is noted as having one of the highest, if not the, income gradient in the world -ie. difference between richest and poorest. And examples like the Caymans and NA are very deceptive as they reflect very intesive offshore banking contributions which skew any gross figures to the nth degree.
No, I do see your points and I agree. We are a region of great range...great. I can island hop from a point of comfort to one of sheer poverty quickly. But, I do speak from some experience as well. Quite frankly, I don't exactly have the highest comprehension of all the financial matters/stats etc, but I have been to many of them that I mentioned, lived and worked in two...and can say many of them seem 'comparable' to 'white' nations at least at eye view, at least comparing to nations quoted such as Jamaica and Haiti, which within disembarking form the airplane one can see has a few issues. But by no stretch of the imagination could one with good faith say those nations I mentioned don't 'have it together' in general. They have problems, yes, but then what nation doesn't..
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All country income data is skewed. The top 1% of Americans have the majority of the wealth in U.S. You think that doesn't affect the numbers...bringing up the average from those working at Walmart or McDonalds?
Of course it does, but when the US has 300-million-odd people vs. some of the Caribbean countries' 000's, the figures are going to be a lot more representative. Capisce?
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The ebb and flow of humanity. There was a time when that part of the world ruled the roost. The time will come again. That is just how it goes.
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SOUTH AFRICA IS NOT GOING WELL LOL..they rape babies because they think it will cure HIV/AIDS. stoooooopied bitches.
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Of course it does, but when the US has 300-million-odd people vs. some of the Caribbean countries' 000's, the figures are going to be a lot more representative. Capisce?
Non le capisce. ;)
The income gap is greater in the U.S. Many carribean countries are faring ok...you don't need a high income to live a modest but comfortable lifestyle in those countries.
The ebb and flow of humanity. There was a time when that part of the world ruled the roost. The time will come again. That is just how it goes.
Yep.
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SOUTH AFRICA IS NOT GOING WELL LOL..they rape babies because they think it will cure HIV/AIDS. stoooooopied bitches.
Unfortunately theystill have those primitive notions and beliefs.
Its a country with first and third world qualities.
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I cannot think of one predominantly black country that has it together. Jamaca, Haiti, every country in Africa... can't think of one that has a good economy, low poverty levels, low levels of violence.. why is this?
hey worm, did know that when Haiti became a free country 200 years ago France may Haiti pay reparations to the french settlers
the amount was "90 million francs " which is equal to 21 billion dollars. It took them over 100 years to pay it off. Do you think that would contribute to any country being in poverty for a long time?
here is part of an article...I hope this helps
"Why $21 billion? It's the modern equivalent of the 90 million francs Haiti agreed to pay France in 1825, in return for official recognition of Haiti's sovereignty. For two decades following Haitian independence in 1804, the former mother country, with the support of the United States, Britain and Spain, enforced a crippling embargo, accompanied by a threat to recolonize and reenslave Haiti if indemnity wasn't paid for lost property -- i.e., slaves. Haiti, once France's richest colony, agreed to pay the price -- more than twice the value of the entire nation at the time -- but could only afford to do so using high-interest loans from French banks.
Two centuries later, the Haitian government's annual revenues are a mere $237 million, about 1,000 times less than those of France. In his 1994 book, "The Uses of Haiti," Dr. Paul Farmer of Harvard Medical School, a longtime public health advocate in Haiti, ironically described the indemnity as "a business expense," a political necessity that left the country so economically and politically ravaged that democracy could never take root. But in Haiti itself, since the call for restitution went out last April, it's more common to hear those 90 million francs referred to as "ransom""
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I cannot think of one predominantly black country that has it together. Jamaca, Haiti, every country in Africa... can't think of one that has a good economy, low poverty levels, low levels of violence.. why is this?
If you want want to look into this, have a look for Journal papers to do with economic growth and location in particular anything to do with the tropics. I read a really good paper years ago, which tired to explain slow/poor economic growth in terms of location, in particular between the two tropics. For the life of me I can't remember the name of the authors or the name of the paper but the journal it was in had a blue cover :P
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hahahaha, i would call you what you are but it would be deleted, epic double standard, but hey at least i'm white, that automatically makes me better than you.
You don't look white. I would assume b-eaner or Northern African if I didn't know. Ironic, isn't it?
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Many carribean countries are faring ok...you don't need a high income to live a modest but comfortable lifestyle in those countries.
Actually, that is true vast majority of the time, but not in all cases. On a few islands, where the incomes are extremely high, it works out proportional as the cost of living is extremely high. There is a perception that it is always 'cheap' here, which in certain isolated cases of a few islands...could not be further from the truth. Of course, you could roll into most islands with about 1/2 million and live very well for the rest of your life 8)
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This is a fair question - I have wondered about this myself. Even if these countries were raped by former colonial powers, why is it that said powers had the technology to get to these places and do the raping? Why was it not the other way around? Why did these countries not have the means to defend themselves? What technological advancements have ever originated form Africa for example? Why are these countries "developing"? Are they not able to develop as quickly as the West, Japan etc? So you have to ask the question of innate intelligence and innovation of different races. Some may argue about corrupt regimes and such like but why are these regimes corrupt? Why so many civil wars in Africa - is it the natrual response from races who are less developed?
Is this "racist"? Well, by defintion it would have to be, but if it's the truth then so what? It's a valid discussion.
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Actually, that is true vast majority of the time, but not in all cases. On a few islands, where the incomes are extremely high, it works out proportional as the cost of living is extremely high. There is a perception that it is always 'cheap' here, which in certain isolated cases of a few islands...could not be further from the truth. Of course, you could roll into most islands with about 1/2 million and live very well for the rest of your life 8)
Case in point St.Vincent and Grenadines
you can take less than a million there a live an awesome until death
a side note: the priminister sold of the smaller islands (Mustique) to a developer.
now every hollywood star goes there as the ulimate retreat..Squadfather, even though you are white you wouldn't be allowed there. It is more a case of wealth descrimination than race
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hahahaha, i would call you what you are but it would be deleted, epic double standard, but hey at least i'm white, that automatically makes me better than you.
Holy shit that's funny..
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I cannot think of one predominantly black country that has it together. Jamaca, Haiti, every country in Africa... can't think of one that has a good economy, low poverty levels, low levels of violence.. why is this?
FUNNY...I can not think of a single nation that harbors a single white individual that is not suffering tremendously. Hmmmmmm...lets look at the USA. 70% of all food in america is imported from Central and South America; nearly 100% of all oil in america comes from Nigeria, Canada, Mexico and Venezuela; nearly 100% of all textiles comes from China; America borrows 3 BILLION dollars per day from China to keep from complete financial collapse; America has borrowed 4 TRILLION...yes TRILLION dollars from the Saudi Arabia to remain financially sound (maybe this is why despite terrorist being of Saudi origin america says nothing), America borrows hundreds of BILLIONS yearly from each of Japan, Germany, Australia, England, France and many Middle Eastern countries. America ranks 49 on the scale of countries known for its SCIENCE and MATH and the medical and scientific establishment is dominated by people of color from around the world in america; Despite calling itself the richest nation in the world...which it is NOT...more than half of americans live in absolute POVERTY...with the main face of poverty being a white female with two children who is also the face of WELFARE in america; America illiteracy rate is well above 50%...which is amazing considering the preponderance of schools , universities, libraries, internet etc etc; in both Europe and America drug use is a MASSIVE problem...in america alone 1.2 TRILLION dollars per year is spent on illegal drugs with 90% of all drugs purchased by whites. Europe likewise is collapsing under the weight of its drug problems and death from overdoses and even more strange is it ALLOWS legal use of drugs like Heroin, Cocaine, Opium etc; Alcoholism in the scandinavian countries is RAMPANT as is INSANITY...must be those 6 months of darkness then 6 months of light..lol; In case yo have some how forgot white are an extremely VIOLENT and DERANGED people...the Civil war killed at least half a MILLION people, War of Independence saw white on white crime and violence escalate in the world; Spanish American war saw more white on white violence, deception and death, World War I saw still more white on white violence and death with the final total of dead reaching into the MILLIONS; then came World War II of which hundreds of MILLIONS were dead and over 1 BILLION seriously injured not to mention the creation of exceedingly violent white weapons of destruction like the atomic bomb; Add to this mix white colonization of Korea, Japan, Various African, Middle Eastern, South East Asian countries and assaults on South american countries and that begins to gives you and idea of the DEPRAVITY of this people known as Caucasians. Let us fast forward to the past 10 to 15 years and we see an assault on an innocent nation known as Iraq for the sake of stealing its OIL, then there is the DEPLETED URANIUM contamination of the whole nation including the destruction of americas own soldiers by this deadly product; there is the contribution to this colonization by other nations like France, Britain and Germany...who by the way were the very same nation who supplied WMD to Iraq when America provoked the war between Iraq and Iran...by the way these weapons involved biological agents, neurological agents, various gases, chemicals not to mention the conventional weapons given to Iraq by RUMSFELD/AMERICA to fight Iran and when that didn't work OLIVER NORTH/AMERICA concocted a deal to supply IRAN with these same weapons to attack Iraq; OH...BY THE WAY did yo ever consider where the wealth of america and europe comes from??? Where is GOLD found...AFRICA, SILVER...AFRICA and SOUTH AMERICA...DIAMONDS...AFR ICA and SOUTH AMERICA...FOOD Central and South America, spices...INDIA, AFRICA, CENTRAL AMERICA, INDONESIA and MALAYSIA; WOOD PRODUCTS..SOUTH AMERICA, AFRICA, MALAYSIA, INDONESIA, METALS like Copper, Brass, TIN, IRON etc etc all comes from other nations...IN ALL HONESTY AMERICA AND EUROPE ARE THE BIGGEST WELFARE NATIONS ON THE PLANET. Without these other nations supplying all of its needs both america and europe would be examples of ABSOLUTE POVERTY.
SO IN ALL HONESTY...WHO REALLY NEEDS TO GET THEIR SHIT TOGETHER????
I guess looking at the world through blind white eyes makes things appear as they are not....not to worry though...the Chinese are tired of funding america, Central and South American are tired of feeding it and the rest of the world is tired of taking care of it. Between your white corporate crooks and the white controlled and manipulated stock market, your white run government and the fact that ALL nations on the planet absolutely HATE america it won't be long till the next depression hits america and then you will be brought down from your arrogance and ignorance about where you and your own stand in the world...rough times ahead....
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FUNNY...I can not think of a single nation that harbors a single white individual that is not suffering tremendously. Hmmmmmm...lets look at the USA. 70% of all food in america is imported from Central and South America; nearly 100% of all oil in america comes from Nigeria, Canada, Mexico and Venezuela; nearly 100% of all textiles comes from China; America borrows 3 BILLION dollars per day from China to keep from complete financial collapse; America has borrowed 4 TRILLION...yes TRILLION dollars from the Saudi Arabia to remain financially sound (maybe this is why despite terrorist being of Saudi origin america says nothing), America borrows hundreds of BILLIONS yearly from each of Japan, Germany, Australia, England, France and many Middle Eastern countries. America ranks 49 on the scale of countries known for its SCIENCE and MATH and the medical and scientific establishment is dominated by people of color from around the world in america; Despite calling itself the richest nation in the world...which it is NOT...more than half of americans live in absolute POVERTY...with the main face of poverty being a white female with two children who is also the face of WELFARE in america; America illiteracy rate is well above 50%...which is amazing considering the preponderance of schools , universities, libraries, internet etc etc; in both Europe and America drug use is a MASSIVE problem...in america alone 1.2 TRILLION dollars per year is spent on illegal drugs with 90% of all drugs purchased by whites. Europe likewise is collapsing under the weight of its drug problems and death from overdoses and even more strange is it ALLOWS legal use of drugs like Heroin, Cocaine, Opium etc; Alcoholism in the scandinavian countries is RAMPANT as is INSANITY...must be those 6 months of darkness then 6 months of light..lol; In case yo have some how forgot white are an extremely VIOLENT and DERANGED people...the Civil war killed at least half a MILLION people, War of Independence saw white on white crime and violence escalate in the world; Spanish American war saw more white on white violence, deception and death, World War I saw still more white on white violence and death with the final total of dead reaching into the MILLIONS; then came World War II of which hundreds of MILLIONS were dead and over 1 BILLION seriously injured not to mention the creation of exceedingly violent white weapons of destruction like the atomic bomb; Add to this mix white colonization of Korea, Japan, Various African, Middle Eastern, South East Asian countries and assaults on South american countries and that begins to gives you and idea of the DEPRAVITY of this people known as Caucasians. Let us fast forward to the past 10 to 15 years and we see an assault on an innocent nation known as Iraq for the sake of stealing its OIL, then there is the DEPLETED URANIUM contamination of the whole nation including the destruction of americas own soldiers by this deadly product; there is the contribution to this colonization by other nations like France, Britain and Germany...who by the way were the very same nation who supplied WMD to Iraq when America provoked the war between Iraq and Iran...by the way these weapons involved biological agents, neurological agents, various gases, chemicals not to mention the conventional weapons given to Iraq by RUMSFELD/AMERICA to fight Iran and when that didn't work OLIVER NORTH/AMERICA concocted a deal to supply IRAN with these same weapons to attack Iraq; OH...BY THE WAY did yo ever consider where the wealth of america and europe comes from??? Where is GOLD found...AFRICA, SILVER...AFRICA and SOUTH AMERICA...DIAMONDS...AFR ICA and SOUTH AMERICA...FOOD Central and South America, spices...INDIA, AFRICA, CENTRAL AMERICA, INDONESIA and MALAYSIA; WOOD PRODUCTS..SOUTH AMERICA, AFRICA, MALAYSIA, INDONESIA, METALS like Copper, Brass, TIN, IRON etc etc all comes from other nations...IN ALL HONESTY AMERICA AND EUROPE ARE THE BIGGEST WELFARE NATIONS ON THE PLANET. Without these other nations supplying all of its needs both america and europe would be examples of ABSOLUTE POVERTY.
SO IN ALL HONESTY...WHO REALLY NEEDS TO GET THEIR SHIT TOGETHER????
I guess looking at the world through blind white eyes makes things appear as they are not....not to worry though...the Chinese are tired of funding america, Central and South American are tired of feeding it and the rest of the world is tired of taking care of it. Between your white corporate crooks and the white controlled and manipulated stock market, your white run government and the fact that ALL nations on the planet absolutely HATE america it won't be long till the next depression hits america and then you will be brought down from your arrogance and ignorance about where you and your own stand in the world...rough times ahead....
SAMSON123 = hates america but wishes every day he could come here. He convinces himself otherwise by letting himself get brainwashed by mostly folkloric statistics
Cute but you got it all wrong and probably spend a good 40mins on this.
China = dependent on America for its entire financial structure; and believe me I know about forex and international investments.
Chant your gospel somewhere else.
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Holy shit that's funny..
Not as funny as how u look
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Not as funny as how u look
I know, I hate my look.. That's why I bodybuild and make lots of $$$.. I need to make up for this ugly mug..
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A lot of the countries you are taking about have been raped by US, Britain, France etc for hundreds of years. Try that for a start.
So has other white countries like Germany, Italy, and they seem to have it togther.
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South Africa is doing very well, for the non-whites. Affirmative action is king at moment.
Serves white people that were responsible for oppression right. Not so much those that didnt share views.
So this reverse racism isnt really working, because non-whites are being pushed into jobs, that the only qualification they have is their skin color. Whilst qualified people, are unemployed.
Not good for economy long-term, but fantastic boost for previously oppressed individuals.
Surely 13 yrs after apartheid was officially abolished, they could ease up and give jobs on merit.
I see the neighbourig countries, Zimbabwe, Mozambique and Angola, and this push the old master away, we can handle it ourselves thing dont always work. Thats why Angola and Mozambique are now begging Portugal to be involved again and welcoming investment, etc with open arms.
Its ultimately the oppressors fault that uneducated, disadvantaged individuals suffer. But the wheel turns.
Just for your information, South Africa was doing better financially during apartheid then it is now.
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In 20 years there's going to be another thread, written in Chinese, entitled "White Countries - what's wrong with those people that we rule them and determine their fate, are they an inferior race?"
Yes, your right, that will happen, the only difference is, we won't whine about it.
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some of the greatest athletes in the world are blacks..blacks =the most athletic race in the world..i respect their culture alot..
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South Africa is doing very well, for the non-whites. Affirmative action is king at moment.
Serves white people that were responsible for oppression right. Not so much those that didnt share views.
So this reverse racism isnt really working, because non-whites are being pushed into jobs, that the only qualification they have is their skin color. Whilst qualified people, are unemployed.
Not good for economy long-term, but fantastic boost for previously oppressed individuals.
Surely 13 yrs after apartheid was officially abolished, they could ease up and give jobs on merit.
I see the neighbourig countries, Zimbabwe, Mozambique and Angola, and this push the old master away, we can handle it ourselves thing dont always work. Thats why Angola and Mozambique are now begging Portugal to be involved again and welcoming investment, etc with open arms.
Its ultimately the oppressors fault that uneducated, disadvantaged individuals suffer. But the wheel turns.
To equal things in South Africa, you would have to expropriate all property, and then divide it equal.
Otherwise blacks in South Africa will always be at a disadvantage.
To complain about the situation for white people in South Africa is borderline insulting, considering that blacks weren't treated as equals 20 years ago.
As far as the original question goes: There is no tradition of democracy in black Africa. These cultures don't know democracy, and they will struggle to be democratic for a long time, because of it.
The need for a democratical history cannot be underestimated.
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FUNNY...I can not think of a single nation that harbors a single white individual that is not suffering tremendously. Hmmmmmm...lets look at the USA. 70% of all food in america is imported from Central and South America; nearly 100% of all oil in america comes from Nigeria, Canada, Mexico and Venezuela; nearly 100% of all textiles comes from China; America borrows 3 BILLION dollars per day from China to keep from complete financial collapse; America has borrowed 4 TRILLION...yes TRILLION dollars from the Saudi Arabia to remain financially sound (maybe this is why despite terrorist being of Saudi origin america says nothing), America borrows hundreds of BILLIONS yearly from each of Japan, Germany, Australia, England, France and many Middle Eastern countries. America ranks 49 on the scale of countries known for its SCIENCE and MATH and the medical and scientific establishment is dominated by people of color from around the world in america; Despite calling itself the richest nation in the world...which it is NOT...more than half of americans live in absolute POVERTY...with the main face of poverty being a white female with two children who is also the face of WELFARE in america; America illiteracy rate is well above 50%...which is amazing considering the preponderance of schools , universities, libraries, internet etc etc; in both Europe and America drug use is a MASSIVE problem...in america alone 1.2 TRILLION dollars per year is spent on illegal drugs with 90% of all drugs purchased by whites. Europe likewise is collapsing under the weight of its drug problems and death from overdoses and even more strange is it ALLOWS legal use of drugs like Heroin, Cocaine, Opium etc; Alcoholism in the scandinavian countries is RAMPANT as is INSANITY...must be those 6 months of darkness then 6 months of light..lol; In case yo have some how forgot white are an extremely VIOLENT and DERANGED people...the Civil war killed at least half a MILLION people, War of Independence saw white on white crime and violence escalate in the world; Spanish American war saw more white on white violence, deception and death, World War I saw still more white on white violence and death with the final total of dead reaching into the MILLIONS; then came World War II of which hundreds of MILLIONS were dead and over 1 BILLION seriously injured not to mention the creation of exceedingly violent white weapons of destruction like the atomic bomb; Add to this mix white colonization of Korea, Japan, Various African, Middle Eastern, South East Asian countries and assaults on South american countries and that begins to gives you and idea of the DEPRAVITY of this people known as Caucasians. Let us fast forward to the past 10 to 15 years and we see an assault on an innocent nation known as Iraq for the sake of stealing its OIL, then there is the DEPLETED URANIUM contamination of the whole nation including the destruction of americas own soldiers by this deadly product; there is the contribution to this colonization by other nations like France, Britain and Germany...who by the way were the very same nation who supplied WMD to Iraq when America provoked the war between Iraq and Iran...by the way these weapons involved biological agents, neurological agents, various gases, chemicals not to mention the conventional weapons given to Iraq by RUMSFELD/AMERICA to fight Iran and when that didn't work OLIVER NORTH/AMERICA concocted a deal to supply IRAN with these same weapons to attack Iraq; OH...BY THE WAY did yo ever consider where the wealth of america and europe comes from??? Where is GOLD found...AFRICA, SILVER...AFRICA and SOUTH AMERICA...DIAMONDS...AFR ICA and SOUTH AMERICA...FOOD Central and South America, spices...INDIA, AFRICA, CENTRAL AMERICA, INDONESIA and MALAYSIA; WOOD PRODUCTS..SOUTH AMERICA, AFRICA, MALAYSIA, INDONESIA, METALS like Copper, Brass, TIN, IRON etc etc all comes from other nations...IN ALL HONESTY AMERICA AND EUROPE ARE THE BIGGEST WELFARE NATIONS ON THE PLANET. Without these other nations supplying all of its needs both america and europe would be examples of ABSOLUTE POVERTY.
SO IN ALL HONESTY...WHO REALLY NEEDS TO GET THEIR SHIT TOGETHER????
I guess looking at the world through blind white eyes makes things appear as they are not....not to worry though...the Chinese are tired of funding america, Central and South American are tired of feeding it and the rest of the world is tired of taking care of it. Between your white corporate crooks and the white controlled and manipulated stock market, your white run government and the fact that ALL nations on the planet absolutely HATE america it won't be long till the next depression hits america and then you will be brought down from your arrogance and ignorance about where you and your own stand in the world...rough times ahead....
If you don't mind me asking, what nationality are you?
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some of the greatest athletes in the world are blacks..blacks =the most athletic race in the world..i respect their culture alot..
Yes, they are athletically inclined, but that 's not what we're talking about.
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China was raped by England but look at them.. ;)
Plus african amercians in the US are statistically raped by other demographics that just recently immigrated. :-\ They have higher per capita incomes, education levels and lower levels of crime than blacks.
There's only one black billionaire in the world. :-\
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Lots of the Caribbean islands are doing fine
Very true.
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I cannot think of one predominantly black country that has it together. Jamaca, Haiti, every country in Africa... can't think of one that has a good economy, low poverty levels, low levels of violence.. why is this?
...the question you "should" be asking is why can't our own country seem to get it together? ~ ::)
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black countries are destroying this planet's economy.
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This is a fair question - I have wondered about this myself. Even if these countries were raped by former colonial powers, why is it that said powers had the technology to get to these places and do the raping? Why was it not the other way around? Why did these countries not have the means to defend themselves? What technological advancements have ever originated form Africa for example? Why are these countries "developing"? Are they not able to develop as quickly as the West, Japan etc? So you have to ask the question of innate intelligence and innovation of different races. Some may argue about corrupt regimes and such like but why are these regimes corrupt? Why so many civil wars in Africa - is it the natrual response from races who are less developed?
Is this "racist"? Well, by defintion it would have to be, but if it's the truth then so what? It's a valid discussion.
Probably the best answer on here yet! congrats anal discharge.
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This is why I say the nazi's sould have won World War II.They may have been hard assed biggots.But at least they were honest about it.And we wouldn't be having this dabate if they were running the show.They were hard,But efficiant.
Cold, but disiplined.Obsesive,But focused.
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This is why I say the nazi's sould have won World War II.They may have been hard assed biggots.But at least they were honest about it.And we wouldn't be having this dabate if they were running the show.They were hard,But efficiant.
Cold, but disiplined.Obsesive,But focused.
You obviously don't know much about the Nazi's.
-Hedge
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This is why I say the nazi's sould have won World War II.They may have been hard assed biggots.But at least they were honest about it.And we wouldn't be having this dabate if they were running the show.They were hard,But efficiant.
Cold, but disiplined.Obsesive,But focused.
Oh brother..
Nazis considered eastern europeans and jews 'inferior'. But in reality, aren't jews and eastern europeans highly sucessful?
It's okay to discuss things if you are bringing points from statistics and economics, but don't fucking bring nazis and white supremacy into an arguement.
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Some countries in the Pacifics like Fiji, which are predominately black, do okay.
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black countries are destroying this planet's economy.
yes, fucking Liberia!
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This is why I say the nazi's sould have won World War II.They may have been hard assed biggots.But at least they were honest about it.And we wouldn't be having this dabate if they were running the show.They were hard,But efficiant.
Cold, but disiplined.Obsesive,But focused.
Hehe. That's some good trolling.
/lack of spell check was a nice touch
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[...]Nazis considered eastern europeans and jews 'inferior'[...]
Well, Nazis hated (and hate) every one. It ended on the Jews, Gipsies and libertarians because we ended their terror campaign. Had we not done so, Europeans like it or not, they would've gone much farther.
In any case, this is a white problem. Many white males, specially the ones of Anglo-Saxon origin, have developed a racist gene that makes their vision of the world a little distorted. And this is very dangerous, especially for themselves.
Bye.
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In any case, this is a white problem. Many white males, specially the ones of Anglo-Saxon origin, have developed a racist gene that makes their vision of the world a little distorted.
Don't talk bs please, "racist gene" ;D. Racism/predjudice is not just a white problem.
I'd say most other races are nowadays pretty much on par.
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why do they still live in straw huts? when even the poorest people here have a home. intellectual problems? seriously, whats the problem here?
you have never been to a 3rd world country have you?
i suggest ya try fasting for 2 days..just water..
you will be surprised how the simplest of tasks becomes difficult...
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Do we have to tell the truth or be politically correct?
and look in America, what they do, the way they live, NY, l.a, new Orleans (best example), violence, rap, you name it!!! black brothers are ok, its the niggas!!!
is it in their genus?
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Don't talk bs please, "racist gene" ;D. Racism/predjudice is not just a white problem.
I'd say most other races are nowadays pretty much on par.
I didn't say it was a white problem, I said that people of Anglo, Saxon or, in general, northern European descent, have a real problem with other races. For example, the English went into Australia, what did they do? Exterminate the aborigenees. They also came into North America, what did they do? Kill the Indians and massacre scores of Africans. The English went into South Africa, what did they do (along with the Dutch)? Kill Africans and establish a regime of slavery that lasted various centuries. The English went into India, what did they do? Kill as many Indians as they could (there were too many of them though). Likewise in China, parts of Africa, Caribbean, etc.
There is a clear record of this throughout history. This is why I say that many people of northern European descent have a real problem in their hands, not everyone else's.
I mean, everytime I hear Bush talk about bringing freedom to someone I laugh because I know it is "the gene" talking. I mean, he has NO REGARD for human life (2 shades darker than him) whatsoever. And he doesn't hide it either. He talks in a way that is eerily similar to a fella know as Adolf.
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In 20 years there's going to be another thread, written in Chinese, entitled "White Countries - what's wrong with those people that we rule them and determine their fate, are they an inferior race?"
Porbably not. China doesn't really go out of its borders, that one of the main reasons why they have the most populace country. China right now is watching it's economy because if it rising too fast, it will crash and burn time
The US (it's citizens) are a lazy lot, we chose not to work for our goals, we perfer to have them handed down to us.
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I didn't say it was a white problem, I said that people of Anglo, Saxon or, in general, northern European descent, have a real problem with other races. For example, the English went into Australia, what did they do? Exterminate the aborigenees. They also came into North America, what did they do? Kill the Indians and massacre scores of Africans. The English went into South Africa, what did they do (along with the Dutch)? Kill Africans and establish a regime of slavery that lasted various centuries. The English went into India, what did they do? Kill as many Indians as they could (there were too many of them though). Likewise in China, parts of Africa, Caribbean, etc.
There is a clear record of this throughout history. This is why I say that many people of northern European descent have a real problem in their hands, not everyone else's.
I mean, everytime I hear Bush talk about bringing freedom to someone I laugh because I know it is "the gene" talking. I mean, he has NO REGARD for human life (2 shades darker than him) whatsoever. And he doesn't hide it either. He talks in a way that is eerily similar to a fella know as Adolf.
wow. monster delusional
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The Europeans were more advanced than the Africans at the time. If the Africans had the means they would have done the exact same thing.
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The world was savage back then, the Europeans were more advanced then the Africans at the time. If the Africans had the means they would have done the exact same thing.
Exactly. If you take a look at the history of ANY continent, you'll notice that different groups try to gain wealth by messing with other groups.
At some point Europe had some technological advances which meant they could do it on a larger scale. Any other nation would have done the same thing. And a lot of them did.
(E.g. Japan in Asia.)
Of course their racist genes helped as well ::).
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wow. monster delusional
Delusional? It's called history. It's there, I'm not making this stuff up.
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I didn't say it was a white problem, I said that people of Anglo, Saxon or, in general, northern European descent, have a real problem with other races. For example, the English went into Australia, what did they do? Exterminate the aborigenees. They also came into North America, what did they do? Kill the Indians and massacre scores of Africans. The English went into South Africa, what did they do (along with the Dutch)? Kill Africans and establish a regime of slavery that lasted various centuries. The English went into India, what did they do? Kill as many Indians as they could (there were too many of them though). Likewise in China, parts of Africa, Caribbean, etc
That was the past.. My parents are from what was formerly the heart of the british raj, yet I'm not really angry about the past. My grandpa worked for the brits when he was a youngman and he often had to sit on the floor, but I'm not really angry about that.
You can't hold people accountable for the actions of their ancestors.. I've met some brits, germans and scandanavian people who were tourists to NYC (my home) and they were very nice folks. They acted like people of high integrity and I didn't sense any racism from them. If anything, I've detected more racist feelings from lower class people.
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That was the past.. My parents are from what was formerly the heart of the british raj, yet I'm not really angry about the past. My grandpa worked for the brits when he was a youngman and he often had to sit on the floor, but I'm not really angry about that.
You can't hold people accountable for the actions of their ancestors.. I've met some brits, germans and scandanavian people who were tourists to NYC (my home) and they were very nice folks. They acted like people of high integrity and I didn't sense any racism from them. If anything, I've detected more racist feelings from lower class people.
Wow, I'm not saying you should be bitter against anyone because of what happened to your gran-grandparents. Not at all! Although it's a historical fact that MANY Indians were slaughtered by Brittish guns and swords though. And this is a fact because Brits saw your gran-grandparents as lesser beings. An this is WRONG, bottom line.
Aside from this, I agree with your comment on Europeans, they have indeed taken a turn for the better (aside from France, where racism is institutionalized to a certain degree still). We have not. Period.
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Of course their racist genes helped as well ::).
HAHAH
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I didn't say it was a white problem, I said that people of Anglo, Saxon or, in general, northern European descent, have a real problem with other races. For example, the English went into Australia, what did they do? Exterminate the aborigenees. They also came into North America, what did they do? Kill the Indians and massacre scores of Africans. The English went into South Africa, what did they do (along with the Dutch)? Kill Africans and establish a regime of slavery that lasted various centuries. The English went into India, what did they do? Kill as many Indians as they could (there were too many of them though). Likewise in China, parts of Africa, Caribbean, etc.
There is a clear record of this throughout history. This is why I say that many people of northern European descent have a real problem in their hands, not everyone else's.
I mean, everytime I hear Bush talk about bringing freedom to someone I laugh because I know it is "the gene" talking. I mean, he has NO REGARD for human life (2 shades darker than him) whatsoever. And he doesn't hide it either. He talks in a way that is eerily similar to a fella know as Adolf.
You're per definition a racist.
Why?
Because you're claiming certain ethnicities have certain attributes.
Read your own post:
"because I know it is "the gene talking"." That's beyond silly. That's redneck style racism.
I am a Scandinavian, and I know that we don't have any "genes" for being racists. Not more than any other ethnicity.
You need to get a grip.
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You're per definition a racist.
Why?
Because you're claiming certain ethnicities have certain attributes.
Read your own post:
"because I know it is "the gene talking"." That's beyond silly. That's redneck style racism.
I am a Scandinavian, and I know that we don't have any "genes" for being racists. Not more than any other ethnicity.
You need to get a grip.
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Hey Sven, what I'm speaking of has been well documented by historians, and yet no one here has argued anything I've said, aside from the typical pseudo-insult.
I mean, I've heard senators/congressmen quoting KKK people in public buildings, I've heard Bush insinuate that "dark skinned people do not want to be governed", etc. Some of these comments insinuate a sort of continuation of our dark past that pretty much explains many things like why the fuck we went into Irak, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Grenada, Vietnam, etc.
My two cents.
Salutti a tutti.
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Hehe. That's some good trolling.
/lack of spell check was a nice touch
Good eye Chimps.
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Hey Sven, what I'm speaking of has been well documented by historians, and yet no one here has argued anything I've said, aside from the typical pseudo-insult.
I mean, I've heard senators/congressmen quoting KKK people in public buildings, I've heard Bush insinuate that "dark skinned people do not want to be governed", etc. Some of these comments insinuate a sort of continuation of our dark past that pretty much explains many things like why the fuck we went into Irak, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Grenada, Vietnam, etc.
My two cents.
Salutti a tutti.
You're giving their ethnicity that attribute, which is wrong.
But if you would say that a certain culture is racist, then it would be something worthy of a discussion. Right now, you're just a racist.
Do you see the difference between a culture and an ethnicity? I hope you do.
FWIW, I understand your points about Bush and others making unintelligent comments.
But that only stems out of ignorance, a lack of understanding for social heritage.
It's easy to say that blacks are not as intelligent as white people. Because essentially, it would prove true, if we were to make IQ tests around USA.
But it doesn't prove anything, other than that blacks still are at a great disadvantage in the society.
The average IQ in some of the black African countries are around 60-70. Does that mean they're retarded there? Of course not. But there is a high degree of analfabetism, and very few intellectuals. Those countries are at a disadvantage too.
Ignorant people, like perhaps at times Bush, will not acknowledge the vast difference between how people are brought up, and in what environment they live.
This ignorance is a solid foundation for racism.
But to claim that there is a "racist gene"... That's about the stupidest thing one could state. You're never going to be taken seriously with bullshit like that.
Re-think your whole position. I think you're right about the effects, but very wrong about the causes.
-Hedge
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Black countries; Huh?
What about this black country that I simply refer to as the ugly "urban nation"?
I'm bringing this point up because of how so many rapper hip hoppers brag about being from the mean streets of the inner city ghetto. Basically their ethnic identity is what I call being a urban-american. Just observe the ultra urban decay and ghetto genocide that took place during the materialistic money making 90's as a result of what drug dealers and gang members and aspiring rappers have done to exploit their copy cat customers.
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...the question you "should" be asking is why can't our own country seem to get it together? ~ ::)
Why, your not grateful?
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Some countries in the Pacifics like Fiji, which are predominately black, do okay.
U think?
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Wasn't that where George-in-a-sarong stormed parliment and tried to force a coup a few years ago?
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Wasn't that where George-in-a-sarong stormed parliment and tried to force a coup a few years ago?
I think it was much more recent. I remember noting the coup leader guy even said we are doing it on Friday, so everybody be calm. Very polite.
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I think it was much more recent. I remember noting the coup leader guy even said we are doing it on Friday, so everybody be calm. Very polite.
Yeah, other coup d'etat leaders should really be taking notes.
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You're giving their ethnicity that attribute, which is wrong.
But if you would say that a certain culture is racist, then it would be something worthy of a discussion. Right now, you're just a racist.
Do you see the difference between a culture and an ethnicity? I hope you do.
FWIW, I understand your points about Bush and others making unintelligent comments.
But that only stems out of ignorance, a lack of understanding for social heritage.
It's easy to say that blacks are not as intelligent as white people. Because essentially, it would prove true, if we were to make IQ tests around USA.
But it doesn't prove anything, other than that blacks still are at a great disadvantage in the society.
The average IQ in some of the black African countries are around 60-70. Does that mean they're retarded there? Of course not. But there is a high degree of analfabetism, and very few intellectuals. Those countries are at a disadvantage too.
Ignorant people, like perhaps at times Bush, will not acknowledge the vast difference between how people are brought up, and in what environment they live.
This ignorance is a solid foundation for racism.
But to claim that there is a "racist gene"... That's about the stupidest thing one could state. You're never going to be taken seriously with bullshit like that.
Re-think your whole position. I think you're right about the effects, but very wrong about the causes.
-Hedge
Look dude, I am, in no way, going to retract from what I originally said.
Prove to me that there was nothing racial in the murder of 6 million Jews, the outright decimation of (probably) the Native American population or the (almost extint) Australian Aborigines; to name a few, and I'll apologize to everyone and anyone.
As far as the overall tone of your comment goes, I have nothing to say other than I live in a free country where I am able to express my opinion as I like when I like. I see nothing wrong in questioning a group of people's humanity when other's is put under the spotlight.
"Black" countries are where they are, economically, socially and culturally; because of the "white" countries. Bottom line. We can go back to the first "explorers", Livingstone et al, to outright murderers like Botta in South Africa and all we'll find is a clear cut intent to fuck the entire population of a continent to death.
We can transpose the same logic to the US. Rappers, dealers or pimps will tell you IN A SECOND! what is fucking up their communities, yet the government is unable to do anything about it. You can walk a block in any getto and find a dealer in every corner (depending on how territorial they are).
Little by little the proverbial carpet is pulled from under the black home's feet, and before you know it family structures disintegrate. Black men have been screaming this for decades... And no one listens. What you hear is a guy (possibly) injecting Canola oil in his arms insinuating that blacks are dumber. The gene talking?
Call me racist... or call me a realist. I prefer the later.
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We can transpose the same logic to the US. Rappers, dealers or pimps will tell you IN A SECOND! what is fucking up their communities, yet the government is unable to do anything about it. You can walk a block in any getto and find a dealer in every corner (depending on how territorial they are).
They (the rappers and pimps) are fucking up their own communities. The black community has to accept a certain amount of responsibility for its problems. The government could end the war and drugs, which I think would the only realistic way it could help. I live in NYC myself and a lot of problem I see within the community are created by its inhabitants.
Prove to me that there was nothing racial in the murder of 6 million Jews, the outright decimation of (probably) the Native American population or the (almost extint) Australian Aborigines; to name a few, and I'll apologize to everyone and anyone.
There was something racial about what happened to jews and native americans alike. Anyone denying that is either a racist or a fool. But what I don't see is how that translates into the present, where people cannot be held accountable for past wrongs.
Africa may be struggling now, but the continent and its people have the capacity to do better. The right path is not playing the race card and continually bringing up the past; as it will accomplish absolutely nothing. Of course it's important to know history and it's okay to be upset. What's not okay is hanging onto events that took place in the past. We live in an expanding world, with an expanding world economy to boot. No one gives a damn about what happened in the past.
If black people want to better the lives of their people, then they ought to set out to try and make a difference. And I don't mean set out and become like Al Sharpton or preach what you're preaching. Which to me seems like complaing about things that are irrelevant.
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They (the rappers and pimps) are fucking up their own communities. The black community has to accept a certain amount of responsibility for its problems. The government could end the war and drugs, which I think would the only realistic way it could help. I live in NYC myself and a lot of problem I see within the community are created by its inhabitants.
If you think, FOR ONE FRIGGIN SECOND, that pimps, junkies or hustlers are the culprit of the dispair the black community is submerged in nowadays, think again! If they were the problem all we'd have to do is take over the gettos and that'd be the end of it.
Everyone knows pimps, hustlers or rappers are the social side effect of a much bigger problem, one that began many centuries ago, when their gran-gran-gran-gran-gran-gran-parents were snatched from their huts in the middle of Africa and continued through the slavery years (which created mental problems, in many of these people, which white people are STILL!! unable to comprehend).
There was something racial about what happened to jews and native americans alike. Anyone denying that is either a racist or a fool. But what I don't see is how that translates into the present, where people cannot be held accountable for past wrongs.
And I do not disagree. Look at all my posts and tell me if I disagree. What I'm saying is that it is insulting enough what we've done to these people. Don't you think, for a second, they deserve to be treated like people? I mean, to insinuate less of them because their economic situation isn't good... It's the equivalent of a fucker raming his rod up another guy's ass and complain about the fuckee's painful screams. Makes no fucking sense!!
Africa may be struggling now, but the continent and its people have the capacity to do better. The right path is not playing the race card and continually bringing up the past; as it will accomplish absolutely nothing. Of course it's important to know history and it's okay to be upset. What's not okay is hanging onto events that took place in the past. We live in an expanding world, with an expanding world economy to boot. No one gives a damn about what happened in the past.
What is happening to Africa nowadays is ENTIRELY European governments' fault. It is very difficult to maintain order when you're sitting on 60 trillion dollars worth of natural resources and a "friendly" foreign government blackmails the local "butchers" to keep an eye on those resources and make sure no one else is going to take them... At least not cheaply. You best have one mean large army to safeguard those resources!! Or else someone's army is going to go and get it for you... Under the (moral and ethical) cover of democracy of course!
If black people want to better the lives of their people, then they ought to set out to try and make a difference. And I don't mean set out and become like Al Sharpton or preach what you're preaching. Which to me seems like complaing about things that are irrelevant.
There we go again, going back to the monosyllables, to the easy discourse: "if black people this", "if black people that". Look no problem of this magnitude has an easy solution, specially if it's social in nature. An I'm sure as hell the solution is not in black people's hands. We can start by hiring more blacks and actually promoting them to positions of power. I do not see it happening and I suspect it will not happen. Hence their attitude of "fuck this shit!".
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If black people want to better the lives of their people, then they ought to set out to try and make a difference. And I don't mean set out and become like Al Sharpton or preach what you're preaching. Which to me seems like complaing about things that are irrelevant.
I guess these "black people" you're referring to do not include the senior VP of Ford Motor Company, the CEO of American Express, the owner of the Charlotte Bobcats, the CEO of Merrill Lynch, the CEO of Time Warner, Inc., the president of McDonald's USA, or the VP of General Motors, etc.?
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I guess these "black people" you're referring to do not include the senior VP of Ford Motor Company, the CEO of American Express, the owner of the Charlotte Bobcats, the CEO of Merrill Lynch, the CEO of Time Warner, Inc., the president of McDonald's USA, or the VP of General Motors, etc.?
That's what black youth ought to aspire to and not 50 cent. Thanks for backing up my points, oldman. Maybe you sought to prove a point by skimming my post, but it's clear to me that you didn't read the entire thing.
Everyone knows pimps, hustlers or rappers are the social side effect of a much bigger problem, one that began many centuries ago, when their gran-gran-gran-gran-gran-gran-parents were snatched from their huts in the middle of Africa and continued through the slavery years (which created mental problems, in many of these people, which white people are STILL!! unable to comprehend).
Their fellow Africans sold them to the arabs and whitemen for salt and muskets. I do think there are residuals of slavery still left, but they can be overcome.
There we go again, going back to the monosyllables, to the easy discourse: "if black people this", "if black people that". Look no problem of this magnitude has an easy solution, specially if it's social in nature. An I'm sure as hell the solution is not in black people's hands. We can start by hiring more blacks and actually promoting them to positions of power. I do not see it happening and I suspect it will not happen. Hence their attitude of "fuck this shit!".
It's called affirmative action and it's done at the expense of other minorities.
And I do not disagree. Look at all my posts and tell me if I disagree. What I'm saying is that it is insulting enough what we've done to these people. Don't you think, for a second, they deserve to be treated like people? I mean, to insinuate less of them because their economic situation isn't good... It's the equivalent of a fucker raming his rod up another guy's ass and complain about the fuckee's painful screams. Makes no fucking sense!!
THEY are treated like people. ::) I don't think less of ANYONE based on their economic situations. But I do think economic statistics can be used to pin-point social issues within a demographic.
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That's what black youth ought to aspire to and not 50 cent. Thanks for backing up my points, oldman. Maybe you sought to prove a point by skimming my post, but it's clear to me that you didn't read the entire thing.
Listen, son, I was pointing out one of the many overstatements you make about race:
"If black people want to better the lives of their people, then they ought to set out to try and make a difference."
::) Your view of "black people" is pretty skewed. Like this gem:
Quote from: Camel Jockey on April 13, 2007, 05:09:40 PM
east indians don't bathe and eat shit(gobi, oil, spices). Black people just stink in general.
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Listen, son, I was pointing out one of the many overstatements you make about race:
"If black people want to better the lives of their people, then they ought to set out to try and make a difference."
::) Your view of "black people" is pretty skewed. Like this gem:
You make serious allegations based on race jokes? :-\ I guess every comedian and movie script writer is racist too..
And in my original post I was preaching against Slapper and his nonsense. The guy just keeps going on and on about the past but fails to explain how it relates to the present.
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You make serious allegations based on race jokes? :-\ I guess every comedian and movie script is racist too..
And in my original post I was preaching against Slapper and his nonsense. The guy just keeps going on and on about the past but fails to explain how it relates to the present.
I tell you what Camel, if that was a joke then I apologize. It didn't look like a joke, but I know things often get lost in the translation on the internet (and e-mail).
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I tell you what Camel, if that was a joke then I apologize. It didn't look like a joke, but I know things often get lost in the translation on the internet (and e-mail).
And that's why I like you. You show your age in a lot of posts but in a good way(maturity). I would have had a meltdown. ;)
Slapper kept mentioning nonsense.. I mean even Hedge, who's a level headed guy, was arguing against him.
I know I say a lot of borderline racist stuff, but I mean no harm. I lived in a black neighborhood for a long part of my life, so I think I can speak from subjective observations. I've begun to say the same for muslims because in my heart I think you can't be politically correct all the time as it'll get you nowhere.
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And that's why I like you. You show your age in a lot of posts but in a good way(maturity). I would have had a meltdown. ;)
Slapper kept mentioning nonsense.. I mean even Hedge, who's a level headed guy, was arguing against him.
I know I say a lot of borderline racist stuff, but I mean no harm. I lived in a black neighborhood for a long part of my life, so I think I can speak from subjective observations. I've begun to say the same for muslims because in my heart I think you can't be politically correct all the time as it'll get you nowhere.
Thanks. You're a very bright guy, for someone so young. And you know I respect you for going to school, working, and taking care of your family.
Too many compliments flying around here today. Where is 240 when I need him? I need to insult somebody. :D
I was just talking about the issue of race at lunch the other day. I do believe some people are hypersensitive when it comes to race and there is too much PC in our society. But I also believe we still have a lot of bigots in this country.
Personally, I do not stereotype an entire race based on the actions of some members of that race. I judge each person on their merit and not their skin color.
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[...]Their fellow Africans sold them to the arabs and whitemen for salt and muskets. I do think there are residuals of slavery still left, but they can be overcome.[...]
And of course, the fact that it was Africans who snatched other Africans out of their huts takes all responsibility and remorse out of the white man's consciense. It makes it ok, more gulable to your run-o-the-mill John Doe I guess.
Look, "residuals of slavery" can indeed be overcome, no one doubts that, but there has to be a sincere effort on everyone's part to want this to work. It is imposible to overcome social issues when you live in a getto, where life expectancy for a male is 45 years, your father is in jail for something he might've done, your mother brings home $200 per week, your stepfather beats the shit out of you and drugs are everywhere (as well as cops, waiting for you to steal a can of soda from a store so that they can start your rap sheet as soon as possible). If they try to get out of the 'hood and go into a white neighborhood we all know what happens next: Whiteys move out. So all in all, no, no easy way out. I mean, reality tells us otherwise. If we want this to work we must first acknowledge the fact that the USA, nowadays, is a multi-racial and multi-lingual reality. Once we do that we can move on to bigger and better things.
[...]It's called affirmative action and it's done at the expense of other minorities.[...]
At the expense of what?! ::) :-X
[...]THEY are treated like people. ::) I don't think less of ANYONE based on their economic situations. But I do think economic statistics can be used to pin-point social issues within a demographic.
So you're telling me that you can give me a social diagnosis of a particular area by just looking at economic statistics? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Some people are so out of touch with reality...
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[...]Slapper kept mentioning nonsense.. I mean even Hedge, who's a level headed guy, was arguing against him.[...]
??? ??? ???
But what exactly have I said that is "nonsense"?
There we go again, acusing people without proof.
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ireland was raped by england for centuries now look at it. monster GDP per capita and standard of living rates
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napalm in the vagina.
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I guess these "black people" you're referring to do not include the senior VP of Ford Motor Company, the CEO of American Express, the owner of the Charlotte Bobcats, the CEO of Merrill Lynch, the CEO of Time Warner, Inc., the president of McDonald's USA, or the VP of General Motors, etc.?
Tell me how many black men age 15-30 could tell you one of their names. It is great that they are doing well, but the young black male doesn't look to them for an example. They look to the NFL, NBA, and music industries and lets face it there aren't many good examples there. Answer me this, how come you don't see more young black kids wearing Tiki Barber jerseys? He is one ot the best role models in the NFL.
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Tell me how many black men age 15-30 could tell you one of their names. It is great that they are doing well, but the young black male doesn't look to them for an example. They look to the NFL, NBA, and music industries and lets face it there aren't many good examples there. Answer me this, how come you don't see more young black kids wearing Tiki Barber jerseys? He is one ot the best role models in the NFL.
I'm sure there are plenty. So all "young black males" look to the NFL, NBA, and music industries for their role models? Dude you obviously don't hang around a cross section of "young black males." Have you ever been to Morehouse or Howard? Who are the role models of those "young black males"?
And who is the hip hop music industry's biggest consumer? Didn't someone post a stat on here the other day saying it was white males?
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I'm sure there are plenty. So all "young black males" look to the NFL, NBA, and music industries for their role models? Dude you obviously don't hang around a cross section of "young black males." Have you ever been to Morehouse or Howard? Who are the role models of those "young black males"?
And who is the hip hop music industry's biggest consumer? Didn't someone post a stat on here the other day saying it was white males?
What percentage of the young black male population goes to Morehouse or Howard? And sure more whites buy rap but then again there are how many hundred million more whites in the US? Sorry man but the majority of young black males don't care who the CEO of ford is.
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What percentage of the young black male population goes to Morehouse or Howard? And sure more whites buy rap but then again there are how many hundred million more whites in the US? Sorry man but the majority of young black males don't care who the CEO of ford is.
How do you know? You made a sweeping statement about all young black males. Now you're making a sweeping statement about "the majority of young black males." Typical stereotype.
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How do you know? You made a sweeping statement about all young black males. Now you're making a sweeping statement about "the majority of young black males." Typical stereotype.
You are kidding right? Come on man, this has nothing to do with stereotypes. You are out of touch if you think otherwise.
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You are kidding right? Come on man, this has nothing to do with stereotypes. You are out of touch if you think otherwise.
On what basis are you able to make a statement about all black males or about a majority of young black males?
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On what basis are you able to make a statement about all black males or about a majority of young black males?
First of all I never said all, second of all, when I see several hundred young black men on a military installation in civilian clothes and the majority of them dress in jerseys, or are dressed like the music icons in the rap videos, I can only assume that they aren't flipping through fortune 500 for fashion advice. You are slowly turning this into a race thing and it didn't start that way. If you don't think that the majority of young black men idolize athletes and musicians more than CEOs then my friend you are out of touch. I'm not blaming the young black man for anything, but I would like to know why more of them don't follow guys like Tiki Barber types rather than Randy Moss types.
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First of all I never said all, second of all, when I see several hundred young black men on a military installation in civilian clothes and the majority of them dress in jerseys, or are dressed like the music icons in the rap videos, I can only assume that they aren't flipping through fortune 500 for fashion advice. You are slowly turning this into a race thing and it didn't start that way. If you don't think that the majority of young black men idolize athletes and musicians more than CEOs then my friend you are out of touch. I'm not blaming the young black man for anything, but I would like to know why more of them don't follow guys like Tiki Barber types rather than Randy Moss types.
This is what I was trying to argue with Slapper about. There's a positive correlation between this hip-hop culture and certain economic and social statistics. If there weren't any, then why would someone like Bill Cosby speak out the way he did? And why are there certain black people, such as Jason White who's a sports writer, very critical of clowns like Al Sharpton?
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First of all I never said all, second of all, when I see several hundred young black men on a military installation in civilian clothes and the majority of them dress in jerseys, or are dressed like the music icons in the rap videos, I can only assume that they aren't flipping through fortune 500 for fashion advice. You are slowly turning this into a race thing and it didn't start that way. If you don't think that the majority of young black men idolize athletes and musicians more than CEOs then my friend you are out of touch. I'm not blaming the young black man for anything, but I would like to know why more of them don't follow guys like Tiki Barber types rather than Randy Moss types.
I'm just responding to your comments, like this one: "but the young black male doesn't look to them for an example." That was an unqualified statement. If you're now narrowing that statement to the "majority" of young black males based on lower enlisted men in the Air Force, I'd say you are a little out of touch on the issue of race. How many of those young black men are college graduates? How many black male college graduates do you know?
I can't tell you how to think, but I never judge an entire race, or the "majority" of a race, based on a few (or "several hundred" likely uneducated folks).
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I'm just responding to your comments, like this one: "but the young black male doesn't look to them for an example." That was an unqualified statement. If you're now narrowing that statement to the "majority" of young black males based on lower enlisted men in the Air Force, I'd say you are a little out of touch on the issue of race. How many of those young black men are college graduates? How many black male college graduates do you know?
I can't tell you how to think, but I never judge an entire race, or the "majority" of a race, based on a few (or "several hundred" likely uneducated folks).
Perhaps this is the problem: one of communication. Maybe BB, instead of pouncing on people for perceived wrongs, you could say what you think, take a position, and we'll take pause and comment. Quid pro quo.
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Perhaps this is the problem: one of communication. Maybe BB, instead of pouncing on people for perceived wrongs, you could say what you think, take a position, and we'll take pause and comment. Quid pro quo.
Who is "we"? And where exactly did I pounce on someone for "perceived wrongs"? I'd be happy to discuss. :)
I've already said what I think, in this thread:
"Personally, I do not stereotype an entire race based on the actions of some members of that race. I judge each person on their merit and not their skin color."
"I can't tell you how to think, but I never judge an entire race, or the "majority" of a race, based on a few (or "several hundred" likely uneducated folks)."