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Hillary waffles. Obama disagrees. I wonder if Obama would make these comments known from the pulpit of a church? :-\
Presidential candidate Brownback: Homosexual acts are immoral
POSTED: 8:46 a.m. EDT, March 16, 2007
Story Highlights• Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback agrees with top U.S. Gen. Peter Pace
• Pace: Gay acts are immoral and gays shouldn't serve openly in military
• Presidential hopeful Brownback to send letter to Bush supporting Pace
• Brownback also is soliciting other lawmakers to sign letter
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Republican presidential candidate Sam Brownback is backing the nation's top general over his remarks that homosexual acts are immoral.
The Kansas senator planned to send a letter on Thursday to President Bush supporting Marine Gen. Peter Pace, who earlier this week likened homosexuality to adultery and said the military should not condone it by allowing gay personnel to serve openly.
The chairman of the Joint Chiefs also said in an interview with the Chicago Tribune: "I believe that homosexual acts between individuals are immoral and that we should not condone immoral acts. I do not believe the United States is well-served by a policy that says it is OK to be immoral in any way." (Watch how Pace's comments stirred the debate )
'Unfair and unfortunate'
Lawmakers of both parties criticized the remarks, but Brownback's letter called the criticism "both unfair and unfortunate."
"We should not expect someone as qualified, accomplished and articulate as General Pace to lack personal views on important moral issues," Brownback said. "In fact, we should expect that anyone entrusted with such great responsibility will have strong moral views."
Asked whether he agreed with Pace's comments, Brownback said: "I do not believe being a homosexual is immoral, but I do believe homosexual acts are. I'm a Catholic and the church has clear teachings on this."
Clinton: It's for 'others to conclude'
Democratic candidates Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama initially tried to sidestep the issue when asked about it this week, but both sought to clarify their opposition to Pace's comments on Thursday. (Read how Clinton later said she "does not share [Pace's] view, plain and simple")
Obama did not directly answer on Wednesday when asked if same-sex relationships were immoral, Newsday reported. Obama issued a statement on Thursday, saying, "I do not agree with General Pace that homosexuality is immoral. Attempts to divide people like this have consumed too much of our politics over the past six years."
Clinton told ABC News Wednesday that it's for "others to conclude" whether homosexuality is immoral. On Thursday, she put out a statement saying that she'd heard from gay friends who said her answer sounded evasive.
"I should have echoed my colleague Senator John Warner's statement forcefully stating that homosexuality is not immoral because that is what I believe," her statement said.
Meanwhile, Democratic hopeful Bill Richardson called Pace's remarks "unfortunate" and said the Bush administration should reject them, adding that he would push Congress to repeal military's "don't ask, don't tell policy" in which gay service members are required to keep their sexual orientation private.
"People should not be judged based on their sexual orientation," the New Mexico Governor said in Santa Fe. "Throughout my entire career I have fought for equal rights and against discrimination of any kind."
Brownback: 'We applaud Gen. Pace'
While there is no indication that Pace's job is in jeopardy, Brownback's letter to Bush said "personal moral beliefs" should not disqualify anyone from a position of leadership in the U.S. military.
"General Pace's recent remarks do not deserve the criticism they have received," the letter said. "In fact, we applaud General Pace for maintaining a personal commitment to moral principles."
Pace said he supports "don't ask, don't tell," something Brownback said is "an appropriate policy."
Brownback, a favorite of the religious right, has been a prominent opponent of gay marriage.
Brownback spokesman Brian Hart said the senator was working Thursday to get other lawmakers to sign his letter. Hart said Brownback's office would not disclose who has signed on to the letter until there is "a final count."
On his campaign bus in Iowa on Thursday, Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, declined to comment when asked whether he agreed with Gen. Peter Pace's comment that homosexuality was immoral. He said he still backs the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy. "It's working."
Another Republican candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who has been criticized for changing his views on gay rights to conform with conservative views, said he thought Pace's comments were "inappropriate for public discourse."
"He can believe what he wants to, that's the great thing about America -- believe in what you want. But in a governmental setting, the right way to go is to show more of an outpouring of tolerance," Romney said on CNN's "Larry King Live."
He said he didn't think the "don't ask, don't tell policy" made a lot of sense, but added he wouldn't change it now.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/16/brownback.gays.ap/index.html
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The next American President will face...
the future of american energy interests, our economy, tensions with china and russia, a broken border, a shrinking middle class, a declining education system, an aging population, healthcare issues, monster debt and a weakening dollar...
...and we're supposed to give a shit what he/she thinks about the morality of two men banging?
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And yet CNN, Fox, CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, local news outlets, etc., etc. keep making it front page news. Perhaps they are reporting news that millions find important. What a novel idea. ::)
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We can send some more idiots to Kansas.
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And yet CNN, Fox, CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, local news outlets, etc., etc. keep making it front page news. Perhaps they are reporting news that millions find important. What a novel idea. ::)
what a sad reality. not really that novel.
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Another Day
Another Gay Alert from Beach Bum
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LOL. I aim to please. Be sure to come back tomorrow. :)
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And yet CNN, Fox, CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, local news outlets, etc., etc. keep making it front page news. Perhaps they are reporting news that millions find important. What a novel idea. ::)
Are there millions of people in America with an IQ below 100? Yes.
For real, BB. From that laundry list of american problems, where would YOU rank gay military?
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LOL. I aim to please. Be sure to come back tomorrow. :)
same story - different day
we get it
conservative christians/republicans think homosexuality is immoral
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same story - different day
we get it
conservative christians/republicans think homosexuality is immoral
Some people think invading a country unprovoked is immoral also, but that doesn't count.
Instead we spend our time worrying about what other people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms.
then we have some Jack ass homo-phobe General make idiotic statements while a many modern western armies have gays in their military and it's been divulged as common knowledge that gays are and have been serving on our military and then a presidential candidate backs him up. Yee Haw! Borwnback is just a conservative mouthpeice like Sharpton is for what ever he spews on about.
Brownback needs to spend some time on brokeback.
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same story - different day
we get it
conservative christians/republicans think homosexuality is immoral
Add perverse, unsanitary, unnatural and more or less disgusting :-X
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Add perverse, unsanitary, unnatural and more or less disgusting :-X
Add that to boiled and pickled pig's feet.
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Add perverse, unsanitary, unnatural and more or less disgusting :-X
Agreed
Christian/Republicans = Good
Gays/Transgender = Bad
Thank God we've got Conservative Christians to help us all understand what's good and bad in our world
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When I first read the story... the Col. Frank Fitts character came to mind.
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When I first read the story... the Col. Frank Fitts character came to mind.
Funny - I was thinking about that too. I just watched that movie again a few weeks ago
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Are there millions of people in America with an IQ below 100? Yes.
For real, BB. From that laundry list of american problems, where would YOU rank gay military?
My top three issues are taxes, crime, and defense. Homosexuality, however we deal with that issue, falls into the important class of social issues like abortion that I rank together as a group.
And I frankly could care less whether you or anyone else don't consider these issues important. If you think they're not important, don't talk about them and avoid the plethora of news stories that are written every day.
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same story - different day
we get it
conservative christians/republicans think homosexuality is immoral
Then there are the millions of liberal Democrats across the country who repeatedly vote against homosexual marriage. We rejected it here in Hawaii by a 70 percent margin and the majority of our voters are liberal Democrats.
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Then there are the millions of liberal Democrats across the country who repeatedly vote against homosexual marriage. We rejected it here in Hawaii by a 70 percent margin and the majority of our voters are liberal Democrats.
A vote against homosexual marriage is not necessarily a vote saying homosexuality is immoral. You seem to be fond of making the connection. Fact is, if we allow homosexual marriages we will get less taxes.
that's why i say it's about taxes.
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A vote against homosexual marriage is not necessarily a vote saying homosexuality is immoral. You seem to be fond of making the connection. Fact is, if we allow homosexual marriages we will get less taxes.
that's why i say it's about taxes.
I'm fond of pointing out the facts. You just have a different spin on the facts. :)
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I'm fond of pointing out the facts. You just have a different spin on the facts. :)
did they vote Homosexuality was immoral?
Does voting for or against homosexual marriage fully indicate a person's desire or position regarding the issue of homosexually being immoral?
You are the one spinning the fact of this vote with people's opinion regarding morality or immorality of homosexuality.
Plus the real issue here then is that should what other people feel is immoral still be allowed under the law.
So we might be talking about 2 different things
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Funny - I was thinking about that too. I just watched that movie again a few weeks ago
There's even a physical resemblance...
Think I'm going to have to drag that flick out again too. It's been a few years.
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did they vote Homosexuality was immoral?
Does voting for or against homosexual marriage fully indicate a person's desire or position regarding the issue of homosexually being immoral?
You are the one spinning the fact of this vote with people's opinion regarding morality or immorality of homosexuality.
Plus the real issue here then is that should what other people feel is immoral still be allowed under the law.
So we might be talking about 2 different things
I don't know why each individual voter rejects homosexual marriage time and time again. What I suspect is they fall under the following categories (among others):
- They want to preserve traditional marriage.
- They believe the lifestyle is unnatural.
- They don't believe the government should sanction unnatural behavior.
- They believe homosexuality is immoral.
- They have religious-based objections to the lifestyle.
I don't think it's a "benefits" issue, at least not here, because we already have a reciprocal beneficiaries law.
Others may say the rejection by the voters is based on "homophobia," but I don't think most voters are afraid of homosexuals. I'm not.
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I don't know why each individual voter rejects homosexual marriage time and time again. What I suspect is they fall under the following categories (among others):
- They want to preserve traditional marriage.
- They believe the lifestyle is unnatural.
- They don't believe the government should sanction unnatural behavior.
- They believe homosexuality is immoral.
- They have religious-based objections to the lifestyle.
I don't think it's a "benefits" issue, at least not here, because we already have a reciprocal beneficiaries law.
Others may say the rejection by the voters is based on "homophobia," but I don't think most voters are afraid of homosexuals. I'm not.
Well outlined. :)
So you don't think taxes/tax break for being married have any part in this?
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Some people think invading a country unprovoked is immoral also, but that doesn't count.
Instead we spend our time worrying about what other people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms.
then we have some Jack ass homo-phobe General make idiotic statements while a many modern western armies have gays in their military and it's been divulged as common knowledge that gays are and have been serving on our military and then a presidential candidate backs him up. Yee Haw! Borwnback is just a conservative mouthpeice like Sharpton is for what ever he spews on about.
Brownback needs to spend some time on brokeback.
More idiot comments from OzmO. You really think we invaded unprovoked?
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More idiot comments from OzmO. You really think we invaded unprovoked?
Let me add "significantly" and "Recently" to warrant an invasion to my statement so you don't run off and find some obscure article or fact about a an iraqi soldier flipping off a US serviceman as provocation.
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Let me add "significantly" and "Recently" to warrant an invasion to my statement so you don't run off and find some obscure article or fact about a an iraqi soldier flipping off a US serviceman as provocation.
Just shows your lack of education
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Well outlined. :)
So you don't think taxes/tax break for being married have any part in this?
No, I don't think most voters reject homosexual marriage because they don't want to give them tax breaks.
Also, just to clarify, I mentioned the rejection of homosexual marriage in response to the claim that the opposition to this lifestyle, including homosexual marriage, is primarily by Christian Conservatives and Republicans. That's simply not true.
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Just shows your lack of education
bring it if you got it.......... ::)
Otherwise make sure you turn your computer off when your shift is over.
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bring it if you got it.......... ::)
Otherwise make sure you turn your computer off when your shift is over.
ooooohhhhhh. Tough guy. I guess you slept through the period from 1991-2003
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bring it if you got it.......... ::)
Otherwise make sure you turn your computer off when your shift is over.
You mean when I shut off my computer after work and return to my normal life which you obviously don't have. Don't get mad at me because outside of work I have things like friends, sex and sports to fill my time. I can't help it this is all you have
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ooooohhhhhh. Tough guy. I guess you slept through the period from 1991-2003
no, all i'm saying, is if you have some arguments let's get started.
You mean when I shut off my computer after work and return to my normal life which you obviously don't have. Don't get mad at me because outside of work I have things like friends, sex and sports to fill my time. I can't help it this is all you have
No what i was insinuating is that you don't own a computer of your own. And then as predictable as you are, you start with the "no life" angle. ::)
Tell you what, I'll make a deal with you:
I'll debate this topic with you fully, if you refrain from insults direct or indirect. I promise to do the same.
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no, all i'm saying, is if you have some arguments let's get started.
No what i was insinuating is that you don't own a computer of your own. And then as predictable as you are, you start with the "no life" angle. ::)
Tell you what, I'll make a deal with you:
I'll debate this topic with you fully, if you refrain from insults direct or indirect. I promise to do the same.
I have my own computer but have better things to do than get on here at home.
There is no debating with you. It can't be done. I can throw out fact after fact and you will change the question so that it will require more facts. I already spent 2 days blowing up your assumption that gays could serve openly in our military and you still an't grasp that fact.
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Who cares about what this douchebag has to say? It's just another distraction.
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Who cares about what this douchebag has to say? It's just another distraction.
See Republicans vote on the issues. Democrats vote out of hatred
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I have my own computer but have better things to do than get on here at home.
There is no debating with you. It can't be done. I can throw out fact after fact and you will change the question so that it will require more facts. I already spent 2 days blowing up your assumption that gays could serve openly in our military and you still an't grasp that fact.
About the only thing you blew up is your own argument.
By your own admission gays are serving in the military with the knowledge of people in it.
If gays are serving openly that means people know they are gay right?
Do people know gay people in the millitary?
Where you lying?
don't get mad again because i used your words and your facts.
If you can't handle it, just admit it.
Or, let's debate this issue, like grown adults who don't have to use the word "FOOL" like some little child.
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About the only thing you blew up is your own argument.
By your own admission gays are serving in the military with the knowledge of people in it.
If gays are serving openly that means people know they are gay right?
Do people know gay people in the millitary?
Where you lying?
don't get mad again because i used your words and your facts.
If you can't handle it, just admit it.
Or, let's debate this issue, like grown adults who don't have to use the word "FOOL" like some little child.
A few people knowing a gay in the military doesn't mean the military accepts gays openly. But you are to big FOOL to realize that
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See Republicans vote on the issues. Democrats vote out of hatred
The morality factor of homosexuality is not an issue. :-\ If you're a politician and you are running on something like this then you're no better than a sack of shit.
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The morality factor of homosexuality is not an issue. :-\ If you're a politician and you are running on something like this then you're no better than a sack of shit.
an important issue for republicans is gay marriage.
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A few people knowing a gay in the military doesn't mean the military accepts gays openly. But you are to big FOOL to realize that
No kidding, we already know the military doesn't accept gays openly.
Do you really believe the majority of people in the military think there are "no" gays in it?
Try again MM69.
And as for calling me a fool.
It only proves once again how immature you are.
Grow up MM69.
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BTW, MM69, you got about 15 minutes to respond before your shift is over otherwise you got to go find and internet cafe someplace so you can prove you own a computer.
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No kidding, we already know the military doesn't accept gays openly.
Do you really believe the majority of people in the military think there are "no" gays in it?
Try again MM69.
And as for calling me a fool.
It only proves once again how immature you are.
Grow up MM69.
I'm not about to get into this with a person of your low intelligence. Your main argument was other countries allow gays to serve openly, and I said the US never would allow it. no you say no joke? FOOL
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BTW, MM69, you got about 15 minutes to respond before your shift is over otherwise you got to go find and internet cafe someplace so you can prove you own a computer.
wow you slammed me there!!!!! man that hurt. Good job nerd
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BTW, MM69, you got about 15 minutes to respond before your shift is over otherwise you got to go find and internet cafe someplace so you can prove you own a computer.
You just can't accept the fact that while I do have a computer at home I choose to sit with my hot wife on the couch. I know that is hard to grasp for someone with no life.[img]
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I'm not about to get into this with a person of your low intelligence. Your main argument was other countries allow gays to serve openly, and I said the US never would allow it. no you say no joke? FOOL
They half way allow it now.
People like you allow it.
they won;t any time in the next 5-10 years, but they will soon after. Like i said earlier, the leadership is from a different generation.
Don't ask don't tell will end up being a transitional policy.
when will you grow up MM69? what are you 27? 28? and you still act like you are in high school calling people "fool".
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You just can't accept the fact that while I do have a computer at home I choose to sit with my hot wife on the couch. I know that is hard to grasp for someone with no life.[img]
yeah ok ::)
she must be a real moron to marry someone who admits he's not a gentlemen and arbitrarily calls women sluts.
You beat her too?
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Now we are in the whole:
"i'm married to a hot wife and your jealous" routine?
Oh brother ::)
5 minutes left MM69,
You know where your closest internet cafe is right?
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They half way allow it now.
People like you allow it.
they won;t any time in the next 5-10 years, but they will soon after. Like i said earlier, the leadership is from a different generation.
Don't ask don't tell will end up being a transitional policy.
when will you grow up MM69? what are you 27? 28? and you still act like you are in high school calling people "fool".
and like I said. 75% of the military is age 35 or under (www.militarycity.com/advertising/circulation.html) and they don't want gays either. It isn't a leadership issue. It is an issue of a conservative military in a conservative country
I might call you a fool, but you support my claim daily. Just like when I called Jag a slut. She supported it with her statement. I shouldn't have done that and given you a way to deflect the facts
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Now we are in the whole:
"i'm married to a hot wife and your jealous" routine?
Oh brother ::)
5 minutes left MM69,
You know where your closest internet cafe is right?
You keep sticking it to me don't you, you are so smart. Way to deflect your lack of life.
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yeah ok ::)
she must be a real moron to marry someone who admits he's not a gentlemen and arbitrarily calls women sluts.
You beat her too?
No she likes that I am not a PC pussy like you. If you say something slutty, well you deserve to be called out
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and like I said. 75% of the military is age 35 or under (www.militarycity.com/advertising/circulation.html) and they don't want gays either. It isn't a leadership issue. It is an issue of a conservative military in a conservative country
I might call you a fool, but you support my claim daily. Just like when I called Jag a slut. She supported it with her statement. I shouldn't have done that and given you a way to deflect the facts
What is the percentage of colonels and above under 35?
That's what i mean when i say leadership.
And the ones who are under 35, do they decide military policy? or do the generals?
Now you are really really being ..... should i say......... ::)
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No she likes that I am not a PC pussy like you. If you say something slutty, well you deserve to be called out
Being a gentlemen is not about being PC, it's about knowing how to act around women and how to treat them.
You just prove another point for me.
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What is the percentage of colonels and above under 35?
That's what i mean when i say leadership.
And the ones who are under 35, do they decide military policy? or do the generals?
Now you are really really being ..... should i say......... ::)
See you forgot your argument already let em quote you
"they won;t any time in the next 5-10 years, but they will soon after. Like i said earlier, the leadership is from a different
generation"
But the leadership in 5-10 years is the 35 and under of today. And they still don't want gays
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You keep sticking it to me don't you, you are so smart. Way to deflect your lack of life.
I'm not so desperate as to think i need to showcase my life to prove a point.
You on the other hand are.
Which is very typical of someone who is lonely and angry.
I guess that's why you insult people so easily. your anger.
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I'm not so desperate as to think i need to showcase my life to prove a point.
You on the other hand are.
Which is very typical of someone who is lonely and angry.
I guess that's why you insult people so easily. your anger.
You don't have a life to showcase.... you try to throw in my face that I only post at work? Forgive some of us for having a life.
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See you forgot your argument already let em quote you
"they won;t any time in the next 5-10 years, but they will soon after. Like i said earlier, the leadership is from a different
generation"
But the leadership in 5-10 years is the 35 and under of today. And they still don't want gays
Leadership = colonels and above. What percentage of them in the military are under 35?
And yes this is the leadership that will accept the policy. they won;t like it. But they will accept it, just like the leadership that was around when Don't ask don't tell was enacted.
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Leadership = colonels and above. What percentage of them in the military are under 35?
And yes this is the leadership that will accept the policy. they won;t like it. But they will accept it, just like the leadership that was around when Don't ask don't tell was enacted.
What makes you think the Captains and Majors today will accept gays?
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You don't have a life to showcase.... you try to throw in my face that I only post at work? Forgive some of us for having a life.
that's funny, you know nothing about me and my life outside of this forum and other then what i've told you, yet you act as if you do.
I'm starting to think you aren't even over 20 years old now.
I mean anyone who has to "say they have a hot wife" on a forum either has butt ugly one or is a lonely angry man.
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that's funny, you know nothing about me and my life outside of this forum and other then what i've told you, yet you act as if you do.
I'm starting to think you aren't even over 20 years old now.
I mean anyone who has to "say they have a hot wife" on a forum either has butt ugly one or is a lonely angry man.
No one that sits here all day and night has a life. Period. I do have a life that is why you don't see me here after work
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What makes you think the Captains and Majors today will accept gays?
Because, MM69, they had as you've eluded too elsewhere, the homosexual lifestyle rammed down there throats in the media, and as a result are educated about the homosexual lifestyle. They are not as close minded to it as a 60 years old general is now who was raised to hate gays and called them queers, discriminated against them etc...
These Majors and Captains know there are gays already serving in the military and although many or most will not freely admit it, they know the sexual orientation of a soldiers is moot when it comes to doing their job.
Just like you have said.
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No one that sits here all day and night has a life. Period. I do have a life that is why you don't see me here after work
So 240, BB, Beserker, etc... all don;t have lives?
I have 2 computers at home, one for my kids and one for me. Instead of watching garbage on TV, unless it's football season, i occasionally post and chat on line.
So does 240, Beserker and BB.
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an important issue for republicans is gay marriage.
More important than Iraq and illegal aliens it seems. >:(
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Because, MM69, they had as you've eluded too elsewhere, the homosexual lifestyle rammed down there throats in the media, and as a result are educated about the homosexual lifestyle. They are not as close minded to it as a 60 years old general is now who was raised to hate gays and called them queers, discriminated against them etc...
These Majors and Captains know there are gays already serving in the military and although many or most will not freely admit it, they know the sexual orientation of a soldiers is moot when it comes to doing their job.
Just like you have said.
First off we don't have 60 year old generals, second the military is CONSERVATIVE by nature and the leadership of tommorrow knows that if it allows gays to openly serve then there will be many, many enlisted that will have their performance affected which will hamper the mission which is the big picture. We haven't even talked about the logistical problems it will cause. Look you aren't educated enough to continue debating with. Have a nice weekend full of moderating get big forums and jacking off at your computer desk. I have a life to get to.
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More important than Iraq and illegal aliens it seems. >:(
Actually I think the republicans lack of stance on those other important issues is why the conservative vote turnout was so low.
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First off we don't have 60 year old generals, second the military is CONSERVATIVE by nature and the leadership of tommorrow knows that if it allows gays to openly serve then there will be many, many enlisted that will have their performance affected which will hamper the mission which is the big picture. We haven't even talked about the logistical problems it will cause. Look you aren't educated enough to continue debating with. Have a nice weekend full of moderating get big forums and jacking off at your computer desk. I have a life to get to.
we don't have 60 year old generals? hmmm ;D
don't forget to turn your computer off.
I'll respond when you get back to work Monday from your "life" ::)
If you respond in the meantime, get a mocha on me ;D
Give my regards to your "hot" wife. ::)
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Is there any question, mm69 is a loudmouth kid with a military fetish?
He sounds like a kid just out of highschool. :-\
I suspect he is a self hating homosexual guy locked deep within the closet. His posts wreak of it.
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This Mr. Brownback is about as valid a "Presidential Candidate" as Mr. Intenseone is.
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Some people think invading a country unprovoked is immoral also, but that doesn't count.
God told us to invade.
And he killed his only begotten son because he was gay.
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I already spent 2 days blowing up your assumption that gays could serve openly in our military...
You did?
There are a ton of openly gay service personnel - both male and female - in all branches of the armed services.
For the most part, it's no big deal.
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A few people knowing a gay in the military doesn't mean the military accepts gays openly. But you are to big FOOL to realize that
Regardless of policy, you also have gay recruiters and so-called 'career counselors'.
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You just can't accept the fact that while I do have a computer at home I choose to sit with my hot wife on the couch. I know that is hard to grasp for someone with no life.
A hot military wife? Now there's a rarity.
Of course, when you're deployed, will you be upset if Ozmo decides to pay a visit?
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More idiot comments from OzmO. You really think we invaded unprovoked?
what did Iraq do to provoke us?
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what did Iraq do to provoke us?
notice he never engaged in the debate?
notice he couldn't agree to debate without insulting?
maybe cause they didn't provoke us....?
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notice he never engaged in the debate?
notice he couldn't agree to debate without insulting?
maybe cause they didn't provoke us....?
He's maybe gonna say they didn't comply fully with the UN? They let the UN inspectors all over, but refused to let them in saddam's personal quarters. okay. That's a violation, in which the UN fines you or uses sanctions, not hanging and invasions.
Did 'refusing to let us see what's in saddam's toilet' = 'provoking the US'?
If he believes this, well, I'm glad he does. Cause he's over there fighting for that, and he's gotta have something to believe in. most people here see it as bullshit now, but heck, if it gives him a reason to get up and go to work, so be it :)
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Another Day
Another Gay Alert from Beach Bum
LOL
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we don't have 60 year old generals? hmmm ;D
don't forget to turn your computer off.
I'll respond when you get back to work Monday from your "life" ::)
If you respond in the meantime, get a mocha on me ;D
Give my regards to your "hot" wife. ::)
oh and yes to answer your question...anyone that spends their weekends on here posting...has no life. No adult would spend thier free time on a website chatting. Might as well be playing video games.
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oh and yes to answer your question...anyone that spends their weekends on here posting...has no life. No adult would spend thier free time on a website chatting. Might as well be playing video games.
Aren't you supposed to be fighting a war? what are you doing posting on a non-government website?
Get back to work and protect our freedoms!
And their are 60 year old Generals BTW.
How's your left hand oops sorry, hot wife? ::)
Only a person who doesn't have a wife or life would say he has to go home to his hot wife, how pathetic.
Why don't you just admit you don't own a computer? Or better yet, keep insulting everyone, including BB, on the forum who posted this weekend. ;)
Nothing like a low class predictable piece of brain washed trash to keep thing interesting.
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Aren't you supposed to be fighting a war? what are you doing posting on a non-government website?
Get back to work and protect our freedoms!
And their are 60 year old Generals BTW.
How's your left hand oops sorry, hot wife? ::)
Only a person who doesn't have a wife or life would say he has to go home to his hot wife, how pathetic.
Why don't you just admit you don't own a computer? Or better yet, keep insulting everyone, including BB, on the forum who posted this weekend. ;)
Nothing like a low class predictable piece of brain washed trash to keep thing interesting.
I am fighting a war bitch, How many trips you made to Iraq???? Thought so pussy. Why are you so mad that I pointed out the fact that no responsible adult would spend his weekends in a chat room? I like BB but he is included in that. And keep on the computer thing nerd!!! I bet your kids get beat up at school!
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I am fighting a war bitch, How many trips you made to Iraq???? Thought so pussy. Why are you so mad that I pointed out the fact that no responsible adult would spend his weekends in a chat room? I like BB but he is included in that. And keep on the computer thing nerd!!! I bet your kids get beat up at school!
HAHAAH, you are fighting the war, on the forum?
I'm not mad you pointed out i post on the weekend. I could care less, i have Kids, family etc.. I don;t have to lie about having a "hot" wife like the classless piece of waste you are. And i certainly don;t have to cover up the fact that i don't own computer by insulting everyone else who does when they post on a weekend.
Aside from that, Even though i'm not "fighting" the war on a government computer like you or have been to Iraq, i'm not hypocrite like yourself who says things like "I use the UCMJ as my moral compass and then misuses government resources, and allows a gay person to serve next to me without saying anything.
You see MM69 as you meltdown some more, you are the worst kind of trash there is. Self righteous, ignorant and too stupid to see it.
Now go back to work dumb-ass.
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HAHAAH, you are fighting the war, on the forum?
I'm not mad you pointed out i post on the weekend. I could care less, i have Kids, family etc.. I don;t have to lie about having a "hot" wife like the classless piece of waste you are. And i certainly don;t have to cover up the fact that i don't own computer by insulting everyone else who does when they post on a weekend.
Aside from that, Even though i'm not "fighting" the war on a government computer like you or have been to Iraq, i'm not hypocrite like yourself who says things like "I use the UCMJ as my moral compass and then misuses government resources, and allows a gay person to serve next to me without saying anything.
You see MM69 as you meltdown some more, you are the worst kind of trash there is. Self righteous, ignorant and too stupid to see it.
Now go back to work dumb-ass.
Fucking fag!!! LOL where did I say I was fighting the war on the computer? LMAO And what is seriously funny is that you think saying I don't have a computer (another of your factless claims) is really "getting" me!!!! what a fag
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Fucking fag!!! LOL where did I say I was fighting the war on the computer? LMAO And what is seriously funny is that you think saying I don't have a computer (another of your factless claims) is really "getting" me!!!! what a fag
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Snore, more useless babble from waste.
Go consult your 60 year old general for moral direction.
You are sitting your ass on a computer posting on GetBig when you should be "mission committed" doing your JOB. That's what i meant.
little minded one.
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Snore, more useless babble from waste.
Go consult your 60 year old general for moral direction.
You are sitting your ass on a computer posting on GetBig when you should be "mission committed" doing your JOB. That's what i meant.
little minded one.
Shows what you know bitch!!! As the course developer for the military's engineering school, my job is to sit on the computer. So in between knocking out course material I see what you bitches are whinning about today
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Shows what you know bitch!!! As the course developer for the military's engineering school, my job is to sit on the computer. So in between knocking out course material I see what you bitches are whinning about today
Cool, dude-glad U do!
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Cool, dude-glad U do!
Do I smell more conservatives joining the board???
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Do I smell more conservatives joining the board???
RIGHT ON, BRO....
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Do I smell more conservatives joining the board???
Actually, to be fair, I would vote/speak my conscience on whatever it was-But, yes, I do tend be more ont conservative side.
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Actually, to be fair, I would vote/speak my conscience on whatever it was-But, yes, I do tend be more ont conservative side.
Me too, I never have voted along one party line but like me you will be labled a Republican. I welcome another voice of reason though.
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Me too, I never have voted along one party line but like me you will be labled a Republican. I welcome another voice of reason though.
Well, they can label away coz I am a Rep & probably will remain that way. I am, however, not blindly accepting & yes, do concede that the current admin did make some interesting choices-HOWEVER, that is like any admin.-Dem or Rep-and do strongly feel they did the best the could.
By the way, with all the protests, etc, going on in the Country over the weekend, I want to THANK YOU to You, MM, and all the brave men & women serving our country-whther you agree with the war or not, you should be proud of these brave folk!!!
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Shows what you know bitch!!! As the course developer for the military's engineering school, my job is to sit on the computer. So in between knocking out course material I see what you bitches are whinning about today
And that's ok with your commander?
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Is he 60 years old too?
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Add perverse, unsanitary, unnatural and more or less disgusting :-X
That is your opinion, therefore it seems that you won't partake in homosexual acts.
What business is it of yours that others do?
What perverse, disgusting and unsanitary acts do you engage in? Oral sex, inserting sex toys? Doing any position other than the missionary?
Frankly, what you do with another consenting adult in your bedroom is none of my business.
All of those and more can be construed as unnatural, disgusting and unsanitary by anyone with an agenda.
I'd rather the person who is running for Prez be more concerned with the global and national problems we have instead of someone having sex differently than they are.
Sandra
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whether you agree with the war or not, you should be proud of these brave folk!!!
Not really.
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Not really.
Well, you entitled to your opinion like anybody.
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Well, you entitled to your opinion like anybody.
It's too bad that the government is entitled to steal my money for the purpose of financing Bush's & Halliburton's illegal war.
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Quote from: gymforlord on Today at 02:49:40 PM
whether you agree with the war or not, you should be proud of these brave folk!!!
I'm miffed that some people could not be proud of these people. It takes balls to go there and fight and survive. If i was 19 or 20 i might have considered signing up after 9/11. If i was 19 or 20 in 2003 i wouldn't have. but that's my choice. They are risking their lives fighting a war they believe in for our country. Even though i was very much against us invading Iraq i fully support them and thank them.
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Quote from: gymforlord on Today at 02:49:40 PM
I'm miffed that some people could not be proud of these people. It takes balls to go there and fight and survive. If i was 19 or 20 i might have considered signing up after 9/11. If i was 19 or 20 in 2003 i wouldn't have. but that's my choice. They are risking their lives fighting a war they believe in for our country. Even though i was very much against us invading Iraq i fully support them and thank them.
Amen to that. Everybody is entitled to their opinion on the war & I actually do agree with some of the differing opinions, but that has nothing to do with the troops-they are doing their job.
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And that's ok with your commander?
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Is he 60 years old too?
He must be, I have turned out the first part of the course 4 months ahead of schedule. Actually just won an annual award for my performance.......And where did I say he was 60?
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Quote from: gymforlord on Today at 02:49:40 PM
I'm miffed that some people could not be proud of these people. It takes balls to go there and fight and survive. If i was 19 or 20 i might have considered signing up after 9/11. If i was 19 or 20 in 2003 i wouldn't have. but that's my choice. They are risking their lives fighting a war they believe in for our country. Even though i was very much against us invading Iraq i fully support them and thank them.
And I know deep in your heart, even though you would never admit it, you are thankful for me to.
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He must be, I have turned out the first part of the course 4 months ahead of schedule. Actually just won an annual award for my performance.......And where did I say he was 60?
you never did, you said there were no generals over 60, i don't think so, even with a 30 years enlistment i bet there still are. so i sarcastically said your's was 60.
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And I know deep in your heart, even though you would never admit it, you are thankful for me to.
actually i was going to say that, but i thought you'd gloat about it too much.
So yes i am appreciative you have elected to sit behind a computer and make courses(?) for the military to help us in the war against terrorism combined with the periodic foray to Iraq.
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actually i was going to say that, but i thought you'd gloat about it too much.
So yes i am appreciative you have elected to sit behind a computer and make courses(?) for the military to help us in the war against terrorism combined with the periodic foray to Iraq.
Yeah courses, I guess you forgot your bragging about how our Military is so great because of the training. Think that training conducts itself?
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actually i was going to say that, but i thought you'd gloat about it too much.
So yes i am appreciative you have elected to sit behind a computer and make courses(?) for the military to help us in the war against terrorism combined with the periodic foray to Iraq.
I would never gloat about defending your right to bitch. I will give you credit (as I have before) and I would call you a good American. I mean in your heart you want what is best, you just don't realize what that is. You mean well though.
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I would never gloat about defending your right to bitch. I will give you credit (as I have before) and I would call you a good American. I mean in your heart you want what is best, you just don't realize what that is. You mean well though.
I would say the same to you as misguided as you are, but in reality we are closer in agreement to more things than we give each other credit for compared to many of the extremities you see on this board.
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Yeah courses, I guess you forgot your bragging about how our Military is so great because of the training. Think that training conducts itself?
Of course not, you design training courses?
I remember reading some deal in a WW2 book years where the training some Russian or whatever soldiers got prior to the war was firing 1 shot from their gun every week.
We are great because we have the money to train and equip our troops well among other things, American spirit, morals etc...
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Of course not, you design training courses?
I remember reading some deal in a WW2 book years where the training some Russian or whatever soldiers got prior to the war was firing 1 shot from their gun every week.
We are great because we have the money to train and equip our troops well among other things, American spirit, morals etc...
Wait, did you just mention morals as a reason we are a great military???? OzmO!! We might be able to get along afterall!!
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Wait, did you just mention morals as a reason we are a great military???? OzmO!! We might be able to get along afterall!!
If he mentioned 'morals', all that means is that he doesn't know many military personnel.
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If he mentioned 'morals', all that means is that he doesn't know many military personnel.
good one Tre, I bet you got that nickname in Highschool. You were probably a basketball player and your girlfriend started calling you Tre. You figured it was because you were a good shooter but it was actually because of your 3 inch dick!! I bet she and all her GFs would sit in the stands and chuckle everytime she said "go Tre!"
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Wait, did you just mention morals as a reason we are a great military???? OzmO!! We might be able to get along afterall!!
I've actually mentioned it before but in a different area, murder, rape, theft etc..
I believe we are good Army in general compared to others who would commit atrocities as a matter of practice.
Of course there are always exceptions, but they are just that: exceptions.