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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: shrek on January 09, 2014, 10:50:58 AM
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So I've been pissing dark in the morning forever but lately its darker and doesn't clear out after moving around. Also my sweat has a strong odor and underarms and bottom of feet and hands are yellowish as well as my whites of the eyes. So did research and joundis is a side effect of a liver issues and I'm a big drinker so I know I'm taxing the organ , but what really goes on is the yellow tint comes from dead red blood cells that the liver can't process. So to find out why , they would dram blood and check the count and supposedly if numbers are too high then there's too much waste coming in before the liver can process. Now with that being said I've been on a good dose of tren ace for 5 months . Is there anyway that all of a sudden my body is producing way above the count as naturally possible from tren and thats where the extra waste is coming from or is my liver pulling a DA on me and checking out ? I did have all my panels checked less then 6 months ago and all was normal
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Does Tren affect the liver? I thought injectables bypass it. I think the yellow piss is a side effect from Tren but not from liver issues, it's something else. Yellow eye though definitely sounds like jaundice. I'd see a doc mate.
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The gear itself does not filter through the liver , thast why I was suggesting in a big question way if tren stimulates red cell production as EQ dies and if so could it be enough over a period of time to be lying around as extra waste thaths not processed out by the liver due to the follume is being regulated in naturally
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Sounds like classic jaundice. Go get it checked out by a doctor and I can already tell you what he will say: STOP DRINKING!! Seriously, I'm a drug addict too so I m not judging you, but your body is fighting back big time and you need to stop the alcohol. The tren is probably not helping, but it is not the main cause, the booze is.
The yellowing is liver enzymes that "leak" for lack of better term, out of the liver and into the bloodstream. Not good, but you are not completely fucked. The good thing about liver problems is that the liver is so resilient it can recover from insane insults. You need professional medical help at this point. Doing it on your own would be dangerous.
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So I've been pissing dark in the morning forever but lately its darker and doesn't clear out after moving around. Also my sweat has a strong odor and underarms and bottom of feet and hands are yellowish as well as my whites of the eyes. So did research and joundis is a side effect of a liver issues and I'm a big drinker so I know I'm taxing the organ , but what really goes on is the yellow tint comes from dead red blood cells that the liver can't process. So to find out why , they would dram blood and check the count and supposedly if numbers are too high then there's too much waste coming in before the liver can process. Now with that being said I've been on a good dose of tren ace for 5 months . Is there anyway that all of a sudden my body is producing way above the count as naturally possible from tren and thats where the extra waste is coming from or is my liver pulling a DA on me and checking out ? I did have all my panels checked less then 6 months ago and all was normal
Come off of everything... Get all your panels checked now and make sure your drinking lots of water in the mean time.. Do you have a lot of water retention ?
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No water retention out of norm
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No water retention out of norm
What were your liver enzymes on your last test ?
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Sounds like classic jaundice. Go get it checked out by a doctor and I can already tell you what he will say: STOP DRINKING!! Seriously, I'm a drug addict too so I m not judging you, but your body is fighting back big time and you need to stop the alcohol. The tren is probably not helping, but it is not the main cause, the booze is.
The yellowing is liver enzymes that "leak" for lack of better term, out of the liver and into the bloodstream. Not good, but you are not completely fucked. The good thing about liver problems is that the liver is so resilient it can recover from insane insults. You need professional medical help at this point. Doing it on your own would be dangerous.
That is 100% spot on. Take that advice right there.
I'd take it a step further though and say get off everything. AAS and alcohol.
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Have milk thistle(gnc) +alpha pipoic acid + zinc+xhomium picolinate.
This will super accelerate rhevliver detox process.
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milk thistle won't do a damn thing.. your body won't absorb it. start taking NAC and STOP FUCKING DRINKING. after a week you'll be normal. unless you look and feel 'sick', it's not too bad yet.. even if you did look and feel sick (where people notice), it'll only take a couple weeks before you're better... IF you stop drinking.
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I disagree with you here. I have personally seen guys having serious fucked up enzymes from antibiotics and liquor taking milk thistle and cleaning the mess up.
NAC is definitely good. Some squalene-shark liver oil will also help
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Nah, milk thistle won't do a thing. Anything positive from it is just anecdotal.
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I disagree with you here. I have personally seen guys having serious fucked up enzymes from antibiotics and liquor taking milk thistle and cleaning the mess up.
NAC is definitely good. Some squalene-shark liver oil will also help
disagree all you want. read the science.
take a guy with bad ast/alt, make him quit drinking and give him milk thistle, of course his liver enzymes will go down.... but it has nothing to do with the milk thistle and everything to do with stopping the shit that's elevating the enzymes in the first place.
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disagree all you want. read the science.
take a guy with bad ast/alt, make him quit drinking and give him milk thistle, of course his liver enzymes will go down.... but it has nothing to do with the milk thistle and everything to do with stopping the shit that's elevating the enzymes in the first place.
I have seen it happen. Milk thistle does help in quick liver detox.
Also, camel milk is a very good in bringing down the enzymes. It is not easily available though.
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is this a fucking joke?
"i had blood test 6month ago all was ok"
but running tren since 5 months.
i fyou ppl think injectables have no effect on liver, think again.the effect is ust not as pronounced as with orals.
i read the op is drinking alcohol?
is this another joke?drinking alcohol while on steroids?
what.the.fuuuuuuck.is.th is.
milk thistle and al the stuff dont do shit.what will make the liver recover is going off period.
of the things that cause the problems.in this case alc and the steroids and god knows most likely the diet.the diet for sure, i me\an FOR CHRIST SAKE dont you know what happens in the body when it has to metabolize alcohol?
this is beyond comprehension to me.
go off immediately, this is already near hepatitis level.
as i remember the op isnt quite the leanest, beemn told no use steroids when fat, except maybe if starting siet straight away.
but nah.no listen.
now the crap has hit the ventilation and its "wtf happen"
oh well. go off all gear.get lean,get sober before even thinking of usin g anything again.
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Damn shrek ;D
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I gotta agree with galeniko. Just because it is a injectable version of Trenbolone does not mean it will totally have no effect o n your liver. I don't know why you would drink as well when on that kind of a cycle. No need to be using Tren acetate for 5 months in a row. I think Tren should only be used for 2 months at most! I am not saying other users don't use Tren for longer but I thin just a month to 2 months is enough.
Your a smart guy shrek so I wouldn't expect this from you. I think you should go in and get a check-up done. Try getting into your normal primary doctor if he or she can fit you in within the next few days if he or she can't fit you in go to the ER and get checked out. there is nothing funny about this thread at all! You could be suffering yellow jaundice type side effects.
please just go in to the doctor or the ER and get this situation cleared up/
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Have milk thistle(gnc) +alpha pipoic acid + zinc+xhomium picolinate.
This will super accelerate rhevliver detox process.
This and drink plenty of water with a little lemon juice in it too.
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There are three main types of jaundice:
◾Hepatocellular jaundice - a type of jaundice that occurs as a result of liver disease or injury.
◾Hemolytic jaundice - a type of jaundice that occurs as a result of hemolysis (an accelerated breakdown of erythrocytes - red blood cells) leading to an increase in production of bilirubin.
◾Obstructive jaundice - a type of jaundice that occurs as a result of an obstruction in the bile duct (a system of tubes that carries bile from the liver to the gallbladder and small intestine), which prevents bilirubin from leaving the liver.
How are you feeling? Hepatitis will cause jaundice too. If you have hepatitis, you would likely be feeling under the weather, with flu like symptoms.
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ppl dont get it, tren is typicaly useful for those last weeks before getting real compeitition shredded, outside of that, has no use, or lets say,theres many better alternatives out there.
its very very good for that last bit shreddedness and dieting efforts.
but other than that, a pretty dumb choice.
im not even disputing its powerfulnes or anything.
but fucking hell even the smarter competitors will use this no more than the last 4-8weeks before contest.where the benefit is the best.
and the drinking while on steroids, im speechless, wh would one do that, something not right in the head,sorry, not all screws firm.
and yeah,fuck yes steroids do increase liver enzymes, lol, in more than just one way.
who the fuck told you ppl that injectables do not?why are you trusting this person who told you such balonie?
are you to stupid to think on your own, to read a book on the matters?
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You can run tren at a low dose for months, safely.
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When I use tren it was for 6 weeks at a time.. Maybe 8 weeks but I think even 8 weeks is too much.... I don't like to have that dark urine.. I have never had any bad side effects with masteron besides drying my scalp and hair
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When I use tren it was for 6 weeks at a time.. Maybe 8 weeks but I think even 8 weeks is too much.... I don't like to have that dark urine.. I have never had any bad side effects with masteron besides drying my scalp and hair
Even I get terribly dry scalp after any dht compound.
why is it so?
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I have seen it happen. Milk thistle does help in quick liver detox.
Also, camel milk is a very good in bringing down the enzymes. It is not easily available though.
how, exactly, have you 'seen it happen'?
you saw the guys bloodwork before and after? or just going by the guy saying 'eh, I think I feel better'.
milk thistle isn't absorbed by the body.
do your research. you're talking out of your ass.
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how, exactly, have you 'seen it happen'?
you saw the guys bloodwork before and after? or just going by the guy saying 'eh, I think I feel better'.
milk thistle isn't absorbed by the body.
do your research. you're talking out of your ass.
I am talking about real blood reports here.
Its something you guys have not tried.
Any herbal healer will use this stuff.
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I am talking about real blood reports here.
Its something you guys have not tried.
Any herbal healer will use this stuff.
no you aren't. i'll bet dollars to doughnuts you've never seen anybody elses bloodwork, and I have serious doubts about you ever even getting your own bloodwork donw. you're just repeating 'shit you read on the internet' and passing it off as first-hand knowledge/experience.
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no you aren't. i'll bet dollars to doughnuts you've never seen anybody elses bloodwork, and I have serious doubts about you ever even getting your own bloodwork donw. you're just repeating 'shit you read on the internet' and passing it off as first-hand knowledge/experience.
Milk thistle being good for liver health is not just some internet rumor. I am not saying it works or it doesn't, but according to the label it is sold at my local High School pharmacy as a aide to liver health.
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no you aren't. i'll bet dollars to doughnuts you've never seen anybody elses bloodwork, and I have serious doubts about you ever even getting your own bloodwork donw. you're just repeating 'shit you read on the internet' and passing it off as first-hand knowledge/experience.
Beginning :
Before cycle after off for 6-7 months:
Lipid profile:
Total cholesterol: 196
Triglycerides: 131
LDL : 115
HDL: 54
Total HDL Ratio: 3.6:1
Serum billrubin this actually shows jaundice or not. 0.7
SGOT: 31
SGPT: 38
Now after the following 3 month cycle 573mg/week test E + random shots of deca about 200mg/wk
Took the bloods after about 14 days of last shot.
Lipids
TOTAL cholesterol 161
Triglycerids 143
LDL 85
HDL 48
Total /HDL Ratio 3.3:1
Serum billrubin: 0.7
SGOT: 19
SGPT: 23
All this while: no liquor
Milk thistle 3 tabs/day
Alpha lipoic acid 500mg/day
Chromium piocinate
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All right, now if you look closely, it was a trt dose.
Still my bad cholesterol went down.
The jaundice indicator, serum billrubin remains UNCHANGED.
This included at least 15-20 whole eggs/day.
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bilirubin doesn't indicate jaundice.
I've had sky high bilirubin without jaundice.
if you have jaundice, you will likely have high bilirubin, but high bilirubin doesn't always correlate to jaundice.
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Even I get terribly dry scalp after any dht compound.
why is it so?
Dht binds to the follicle in the scalp.. It also made my hair more brittle
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Symptoms of Liver Damage
Abnormal Metabolism of Fats
Abnormalities in the level of fats in the blood stream. For example; elevated LDL cholesterol and reduced HDL cholesterol and elevated triglycerides.
Arteries blocked with fat, leading to high blood pressure, heart attacks and strokes.
Build up of fat in other body organs (fatty degeneration of organs).
Lumps of fat in the skin (lipomas and other fatty tumors).
Excessive weight gain, which may lead to obesity.
Inability to lose weight even while dieting.
Sluggish metabolism.
Protuberant abdomen (pot belly).
Cellulite.
Fatty liver.
Roll of fat around the upper abdomen – (liver roll).
Digestive Problems
Indigestion.
Reflux.
Haemorrhoids.
Gallstones and gallbladder disease.
Intolerance to fatty foods.
Intolerance to alcohol.
Nausea and vomiting attacks.
Abdominal bloating.
Constipation.
Irritable bowel syndrome.
Pain over the liver – (upper right corner of abdomen & lower right rib cage).
Blood Sugar Problems
Craving for sugar.
Hypoglycaemia and unstable blood sugar levels.
Mature onset diabetes (Type 2) is common in those with a fatty liver.
Nervous System
Depression.
Mood changes such as anger and irritability.
Metaphysically the liver is known as the “seat of anger”.
Poor concentration and “foggy brain”.
Overheating of the body, especially the face and torso.
Recurrent headaches (including migraine) associated with nausea.
Immune Dysfunction
Allergies – sinusitis, hay fever, asthma, dermatitis, hives, etc.
Multiple food and chemical sensitivities.
Skin rashes and inflammations.
Increased risk of autoimmune diseases.
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.
Fibromyalgia.
Increase in recurrent viral, bacterial and parasitic infections.
External Signs
Coated tongue.
Bad breath.
Skin rashes.
Itchy skin (pruritus).
Excessive sweating.
Offensive body odour.
Dark circles under the eyes.
Yellow discoloration of the eyes.
Red, swollen, itchy eyes (allergic eyes).
Acne rosacea – (red pimples around the nose, cheeks and chin).
Brownish spots and blemishes on the skin (liver spots).
Red palms and soles which may also be itchy and inflamed.
Flushed facial appearance or excessive facial blood vessels (capillaries/ veins).
Hormonal Imbalance
Intolerance to hormone replacement therapy or the contraceptive pill (eg. side effects)
Menopausal symptoms such as hot flushes may be more severe.
Premenstrual syndrome may be more severe.
NOTE:
All of the above symptoms are common manifestations of a dysfunctional liver. However, they can also be due to other causes, of a more sinister nature, so, in all cases of persistent symptoms it is vital to see your doctor.
http://www.liverdoctor.com/liver/symptoms-of-liver-damage/
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very good post borracho.
interesting.
now for the dht.
well,lol, why does the scalp go dry on it.
we have or have not geneticaly given receptors in some hair follicles.
dht kills the ones with the receptrs off.that hair which has those receptors will inevitabely fall out eventualy no matter what.
dht will accelerate this process.
masteron, on paper and often in practice,is the worst.
for some reason, drasticaly reduced estrogen has similiar effects.try running very high dose adex and see what happens.
at least, after masteron use, you will pretty sure know if your hair is meant to stay
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The liver is an amazing organ. Only one that can grow back a damaged / cut off piece in fact. Stop drinking for a solid 6 months and go to the local "all natural" store and get a detox tea. Milk thistle is good but there are others out there that will also help detox (fennel, dandelion, licorice etc) ..pills are good but the tea seems to work better for me.
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The guy is turning yellow for christ sake! better to just be safe and go see a doctor and get some testing done. From what I read it dosn;t sound good and I think if it were me I would get it checked out just to be safe.
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The liver is an amazing organ. Only one that can grow back a damaged / cut off piece in fact. Stop drinking for a solid 6 months and go to the local "all natural" store and get a detox tea. Milk thistle is good but there are others out there that will also help detox (fennel, dandelion, licorice etc) ..pills are good but the tea seems to work better for me.
True. The liver is the most resilient organ in the body. It can take a beat and recover, but only if you give it a break from what's causing the issue in the first place.
8)
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Oh and search Craigslist for several UV lamps and lay under them for a week or two ;D
My son did that when born with jaundice
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Oh and search Craigslist for several UV lamps and lay under them for a week or two ;D
My son did that when born with jaundice
Ultraviolet lamps are also known as sunlamps. If one laid under them for a week or two, they'd be burnt to a crisp. Generally about 5 minutes is all human skin can endure without beginning to burn.
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Ultraviolet lamps are also known as sunlamps. If one laid under them for a week or two, they'd be burnt to a crisp. Generally about 5 minutes is all human skin can endure without beginning to burn.
like a tanning bed?
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like a tanning bed?
Yes, the bulbs in a tanning bed are ultraviolet. There are some which are more refined at tanning parlors, but all will eventually burn your skin if the exposure is too great. How much exposure one can endure depends on their skin type. Fairer skinned people burn more easily, much the same as they do in the sun.
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Yes, the bulbs in a tanning bed are ultraviolet. There are some which are more refined at tanning parlors, but all will eventually burn your skin if the exposure is too great. How much exposure one can endure depends on their skin type. Fairer skinned people burn more easily, much the same as they do in the sun.
Yeah but, There is a difference between backlights and tanning bulbs right? UVA vs UVB my son was under a bed of lights and didn't burn and he had the most sensitive of skin ..newborn
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A tanned newborn is unheard of.
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A tanned newborn is unheard of.
I probably came close. My mom moved to Nantucket the summer after I was born, I crawled the beach there naked while she laid out in the sun. I looked like a toe-headed "Hebrew" baby by the end of summer. Amazingly, I have never had skin cancer.
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Shrek, bro. Let us know you are still kicking...
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Dude has not logged in since starting this thread.
Get well soon.
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1 - YOU ARE HAVING REAL ISSUES.
2 - STOP USING. TRY TRT OR PREGNYL/DUFINE THERAPY (AND DOSTINEX BECAUSE OF THE TREN).
3 - GO TO THE DOCTOR.
4 - JUST BECAUSE BLOOD VALUES ARE IN THE NORMAL RANGE DOESN'T MEAN EVERYTHING IS OK. BILIRRUBIN LEVEL WITHIN NORMAL LEVELS DOESN'T MEAN YOUR LIVER IS HEALTHY.
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I'm good fellas. PM me if you care to know what happened
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Have milk thistle(gnc) +alpha pipoic acid + zinc+xhomium picolinate.
This will super accelerate rhevliver detox process.
Plus ursodeoxycholic acid (UDCA)
And you drink? You dumb ass. Stop drinking.
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i'd see a doc man. for now probably stop drinking and maybe drop your dose a bit, even though they bypass the liver i'm fairly certain the liver is still affected due to blood pressure and also a bad hdl/ldl ration and i believe tren is among the worst for those.