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The organizers of American Crossroads hope to bring electoral victory to the Republican Party by defeating unelectable tea party candidates in GOP primary races. The new super PAC, called the Conservative Victory Project, will be run by American Crossroads president Steven Law and is supported by former Bush political adviser Karl Rove.
“There is a broad concern about having blown a significant number of races because the wrong candidates were selected,” Law told the New York Times on Saturday. “We don’t view ourselves as being in the incumbent protection business, but we want to pick the most conservative candidate who can win.”
The Victory Project plans to oppose candidates like Christine O’Donnell, Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock. Though running in places where Republicans were favored, the tea party-backed candidates lost the general election after defeating moderate Republicans in the primary. Many tea party candidates who were victorious in 2010, such as Allen West and Joe Walsh, also ended up being defeated by Democratic challengers in 2012.
Victory Project spokesman Jonathan Collegio told CNN that Republicans lost six Senate races in the last two election cycles because they nominated “undisciplined candidates” rather than Republican veterans.
The group favors William F. Buckley’s dictum to nominate “the most conservative candidate in the primary who can win the general election,” over Ronald Reagan’s commandment, “Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican.”
Collegio insisted the Victory Project wanted to elect conservatives.
“But we have to win general elections,” he added.
Rep. Steve King (R-IA), who has a history of incendiary comments about immigrants, could be one of the organization’s first targets, according to Law. The ultra-conservative Republican indicated last month that he was seriously considering running for the U.S. Senate in 2014.
Conservative groups have blasted the new initiative, and were quick to note that moderate Republicans fared no better than tea party candidates in 2012.
“The Conservative Defeat Project is yet another example of the Republican establishment’s hostility toward its conservative base,” said Matt Hoskins of the Senate Conservatives Fund said. “Rather than listening to the grassroots and working to advance their principles, the establishment has chosen to declare war on its party’s most loyal supporters. If they keep this up, the Republican Party will remain in the wilderness for decades to come.”
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But I thought success for the GOPs future was to double down on the far right extremes.
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But I thought success for the GOPs future was to double down on the far right extremes.
Rove is no idiot... He sees the reality.
The more to the right you go, the more you lose the people who win elections for you... The people like me in the middle.
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rubio and rand paul also going centrist as well.
palin out at FOX news.
none of the huge TP rallies in 2012 like we saw everywhere in 2010.
The tea party movement is probably over, isn't it?
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I love this. The more moves that idiots like Rove make, the further the chasm between Paleoconservatism and Neoconservatism becomes. I hope now that people realize that Fox News was trying to hijack the Tea Party instead of truly trying to promote it.
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I love this. The more moves that idiots like Rove make, the further the chasm between Paleoconservatism and Neoconservatism becomes. I hope now that people realize that Fox News was trying to hijack the Tea Party instead of truly trying to promote it.
Yep. Infiltrate and then co-opt.
I got a huge kick out of seeing Sarah Palin speak at those Tea Party rallies...I knew then that it was just about over as an actual political movement.
Same thing happened to the Occupy Wall Street, although they were far more disorganized in their message and makeup. I'm sure, at last for a split second, before the machines got spinning that the establishment was pretty worried about OWS and The Tea Party actually joining as one.
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The organizers of American Crossroads hope to bring electoral victory to the Republican Party by defeating unelectable tea party candidates in GOP primary races. The new super PAC, called the Conservative Victory Project, will be run by American Crossroads president Steven Law and is supported by former Bush political adviser Karl Rove.
“There is a broad concern about having blown a significant number of races because the wrong candidates were selected,” Law told the New York Times on Saturday. “We don’t view ourselves as being in the incumbent protection business, but we want to pick the most conservative candidate who can win.”
The Victory Project plans to oppose candidates like Christine O’Donnell, Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock. Though running in places where Republicans were favored, the tea party-backed candidates lost the general election after defeating moderate Republicans in the primary. Many tea party candidates who were victorious in 2010, such as Allen West and Joe Walsh, also ended up being defeated by Democratic challengers in 2012.
Victory Project spokesman Jonathan Collegio told CNN that Republicans lost six Senate races in the last two election cycles because they nominated “undisciplined candidates” rather than Republican veterans.
The group favors William F. Buckley’s dictum to nominate “the most conservative candidate in the primary who can win the general election,” over Ronald Reagan’s commandment, “Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican.”
Collegio insisted the Victory Project wanted to elect conservatives.
“But we have to win general elections,” he added.
Rep. Steve King (R-IA), who has a history of incendiary comments about immigrants, could be one of the organization’s first targets, according to Law. The ultra-conservative Republican indicated last month that he was seriously considering running for the U.S. Senate in 2014.
Conservative groups have blasted the new initiative, and were quick to note that moderate Republicans fared no better than tea party candidates in 2012.
“The Conservative Defeat Project is yet another example of the Republican establishment’s hostility toward its conservative base,” said Matt Hoskins of the Senate Conservatives Fund said. “Rather than listening to the grassroots and working to advance their principles, the establishment has chosen to declare war on its party’s most loyal supporters. If they keep this up, the Republican Party will remain in the wilderness for decades to come.”
How about sticking by the guy/gal who actually WINS the GOP primary?
I guess some folks forgot about all the moderate Republicans that got beaten in this past election.
It's the same garbage we've seen before. Every time a moderate/RINO loses a primary, he/she undermines the winner, rather than supporting that winner. Murkowski did it; Crist did it; the guy who lost to O'Donnell did it; the list goes on.
And when was Akin a Tea Party guy?
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If the country's population really wanted a far right wacko, they wouldn't be losing primaries.
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If the country's population really wanted a far right wacko, they wouldn't be losing primaries.
Clearly the answer is to go further to the right, they're not winning because they aren't far enough right!
Some people refuse to see there is a paradigm shift occuring, that the center is moving to the left and the right is refusing to adapt. It's not good. It will create a one party system, which will in effect be a dictatorship.
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lol @ OWS... on thier iphones tweeting about how much they hate corporations.
llol @ tea party, watching FOX talking aobut how much they hate politics being controlled by big business.
both groups needs to drink hemlock and jump off something tall into something sharp!
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If I'm not mistaken, most of the Tea Party people kept their seats in the last election. Yup, they're really on the way out.
RINOs like 240 foam at the mouth at the thought of the party being brought back to fiscally sanity.
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Clearly the answer is to go further to the right, they're not winning because they aren't far enough right!
Some people refuse to see there is a paradigm shift occuring, that the center is moving to the left and the right is refusing to adapt. It's not good. It will create a one party system, which will in effect be a dictatorship.
Bingo. Instead of embracing minorities and making inroads with the moderates, they instead waged war on women and spit in the face of the minorities. That worked real well.
They ran a campaign for 1912, not 2012. But even on here you got some party parrots claiming they lost because they were not far enough right.
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How about sticking by the guy/gal who actually WINS the GOP primary?
I guess some folks forgot about all the moderate Republicans that got beaten in this past election.
It's the same garbage we've seen before. Every time a moderate/RINO loses a primary, he/she undermines the winner, rather than supporting that winner. Murkowski did it; Crist did it; the guy who lost to O'Donnell did it; the list goes on.
And when was Akin a Tea Party guy?
you're still hanging on to that dream that the voters are just dying for a hardcore right wing conservative and that's why moderates (as well ad wing nuts like Akin, West, etc..) lost ?
i.e - they don't want conservatives so instead those chose to vote Dem while waiting for their dream teabagger to come along ?
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If I'm not mistaken, most of the Tea Party people kept their seats in the last election. Yup, they're really on the way out.
RINOs like 240 foam at the mouth at the thought of the party being brought back to fiscally sanity.
I think that congressmen will have no issue... the lines for the districts are smaller and in rural areas, they will certainly win.
On a large scale, even in most senate races, they will not do well I don't believe.
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you're still hanging on to that dream that the voters are just dying for a hardcore right wing conservative and that's why moderates (as well ad wing nuts like Akin, West, etc..) lost ?
i.e - they don't want conservatives so instead those chose to vote Dem while waiting for their dream teabagger to come along ?
And you're still spewing that BS that being "moderate" is the key for the GOP to win, forgetting all of the moderates that got beaten this past election.
Rove went on Hannity and O'Reilly to clear the air, explaining how much money he's given to Tea Party candidates in 2010 and 2012.
He claims that the issue isn't Tea Party vs. establishment Republicans. It's the best conservative who can win. Hannity reminded the viewers that he practically begged Akin to drop out of his Senate race on his radio show.
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And you're still spewing that BS that being "moderate" is the key for the GOP to win, forgetting all of the moderates that got beaten this past election.
Rove went on Hannity and O'Reilly to clear the air, explaining how much money he's given to Tea Party candidates in 2010 and 2012.
He claims that the issue isn't Tea Party vs. establishment Republicans. It's the best conservative who can win. Hannity reminded the viewers that he practically begged Akin to drop out of his Senate race on his radio show.
fyi - check the subject of this thread
I'm not the only one saying that
The majority of your party is saying that
I personally don't think any kind of Repub is a viable candidate simply due to the nonsense that your party believes in (check your party platform for details on the nonsense)
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If I'm not mistaken, most of the Tea Party people kept their seats in the last election. Yup, they're really on the way out.
RINOs like 240 foam at the mouth at the thought of the party being brought back to fiscally sanity.
Exactly! Most of them did keep their seats. But, because a couple of prominent names lost (i.e. Alan West), some folks are acting as if the Tea Party got creamed the way the Dems did in 2010.
Outside the presidential race, the big deal was the Senate. Most of the GOP senate candidates were moderates, NOT Tea Party guys and they lost their respective races.
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fyi - check the subject of this thread
I'm not the only one saying that
The majority of your party is saying that
I personally don't think any kind of Repub is a viable candidate simply due to the nonsense that your party believes in (check your party platform for details on the nonsense)
I checked the subject of the thread. I also checked Rove's interviews on O'Reilly and Hannity, where he categorically DENIED trying to single out the Tea Party candidates. He broke down how much money he gave to several Tea Party candidates both in 2010 and 2012, pointing out that no other group gave as much money as his PAC did.
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I checked the subject of the thread. I also checked Rove's interviews on O'Reilly and Hannity, where he categorically DENIED trying to single out the Tea Party candidates. He broke down how much money he gave to several Tea Party candidates both in 2010 and 2012, pointing out that no other group gave as much money as his PAC did.
Believe what ever you'd like
Personally I'd love to see your party take your advice and keep running un-electible morons like Mourdok and Akin in the primaries
I think that would be fantastic
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How can a far right wacko win election when they can't even win the nomination from their own primary?
How many conservatives were in the GOP primary of 2012? How many moderates/liberals? Which one got the nod again?
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How can a far right wacko win election when they can't even win the nomination from their own primary?
How many conservatives were in the GOP primary of 2012? How many moderates/liberals? Which one got the nod again?
the far right wackos can win the primary but then they get slaughtered in the general election
that's the problem for the right wing (though if you listen to McWay he'd tell you the problem is that they are just not running wacko enough candidates which is obviously more than a bit of a disconnect)
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A lot of it still comes down to likability. Look at Ted Cruz and Rand Paul...both of those guys are pretty far to the right and seem to have already began to establish some level of presence on the National Stage. I would take either one of those in a race against moderate Republicans in large portions of the country.
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A lot of it still comes down to likability. Look at Ted Cruz and Rand Paul...both of those guys are pretty far to the right and seem to have already began to establish some level of presence on the National Stage. I would take either one of those in a race against moderate Republicans in large portions of the country.
they are more old school right instead of neocon but I agree the likability of the candidate is very important as sad as that is.
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A lot of it still comes down to likability. Look at Ted Cruz and Rand Paul...both of those guys are pretty far to the right and seem to have already began to establish some level of presence on the National Stage. I would take either one of those in a race against moderate Republicans in large portions of the country.
Yup but the GOP is run by the neocons and not the libertarians unfortunately.
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So when Rove was GW's puppet master, he was a Neo Con.
Now that hes the perennial loser of elections, he's a moderate?
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Notice how the media only seems to like Republican losers? Moderates, losers and hypocrites are acceptable representatives of the GOP according to the left and the MSM. Now why do you suppose that is?
Here is reality: It was the tea party not the GOP establishment that led to the 2010 midterms
Every moderate GOP RINO Rove supported lost in the most recent election cycle
Rove had NOTHING to do with the stars of the GOP- Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, etc.
Don't be fooled by that fat crook. He ran Gerald Ford against Reagan and lost. He ran George Bush Sr. against Reagan and lost. He is not a conservative. He is not the standard bearer for the GOP. He is a fat, crooked, big government slob who is just as bad as Obama.
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Don't be fooled by that fat crook. He ran Gerald Ford against Reagan and lost. He ran George Bush Sr. against Reagan and lost. He is not a conservative. He is not the standard bearer for the GOP. He is a fat, crooked, big government slob who is just as bad as Obama.
Hear hear.
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Believe what ever you'd like
Personally I'd love to see your party take your advice and keep running un-electible morons like Mourdok and Akin in the primaries
I think that would be fantastic
Akin wasn't a Tea Party guy. What part of that can't you digest? Prior to that gaffe of his, Akin was killing McCaskill in the polls. Once he screwed up, Rove dried up the money and Hannity BEGGED HIM to drop out of that race, on his radio show. 333386 and I were discussing this, while Hannity was interviewing Akin.
Rove has stated at least three times, once with O'Reilly and twice with Hannity (radio and TV), that he is NOT trying to keep Tea Party candidates from winning. He defended his record, by stating the Tea Party members he supported and the amount of money he gave to those members.
But, don't take my word for it:
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Akin wasn't a Tea Party guy. What part of that can't you digest? Prior to that gaffe of his, Akin was killing McCaskill in the polls. Once he screwed up, Rove dried up the money and Hannity BEGGED HIM to drop out of that race, on his radio show. 333386 and I were discussing this, while Hannity was interviewing Akin.
Rove has stated at least three times, once with O'Reilly and twice with Hannity (radio and TV), that he is NOT trying to keep Tea Party candidates from winning. He defended his record, by stating the Tea Party members he supported and the amount of money he gave to those members.
But, don't take my word for it:
Doesn't matter whether he was an "official" Tbagger or not
He's the kind of guy that wins primaries and loses general elections
If you recall virtually your entire party (except for Huckabee and a few others) couldn't get away from quick enough once he made his idiotic statements about rape
He's the face of the "party of stupid" that Jindal was talking about
Frankly this is a lost cause for Repubs because they can't shut up the "crazy uncle" faction of the party and those guys aren't just going to suddenly change their beliefs nor are they going to shut up. They may try to shut up but they are going to continue to say stupid stuff because they simply can't help it
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Doesn't matter whether he was an "official" Tbagger or not
He's the kind of guy that wins primaries and loses general elections
If you recall virtually your entire party (except for Huckabee and a few others) couldn't get away from quick enough once he made his idiotic statements about rape
DUH!!! I only mentioned several times that Hannity practically begged him to drop out of the race, and that Rove cut off the money. Romney asked him to drop out, too.
He's the face of the "party of stupid" that Jindal was talking about
Frankly this is a lost cause for Repubs because they can't shut up the "crazy uncle" faction of the party and those guys aren't just going to suddenly change their beliefs nor are they going to shut up. They may try to shut up but they are going to continue to say stupid stuff because they simply can't help it
That happens in BOTH parties. Or has that amnesia kicked into gear again? That's why Alan Grayson had to switch districts to get back to the House of Representatives. He got clobbered, trying to retain his old seat from 2010, after his litany of stupid stuff.
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Akin wasn't a Tea Party guy.
According to FOX news, Akin was VERY MUCH a tea party guy. He was endorsed by the Tea Party. Akin had played up his Tea Party credentials. Read all about FOX convincing us that Akin was the most conservative candidate in the race.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/#ixzz2KQmLWXxU
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/
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DUH!!! I only mentioned several times that Hannity practically begged him to drop out of the race, and that Rove cut off the money. Romney asked him to drop out, too.
That happens in BOTH parties. Or has that amnesia kicked into gear again? That's why Alan Grayson had to switch districts to get back to the House of Representatives. He got clobbered, trying to retain his old seat from 2010, after his litany of stupid stuff.
What stupid stuff do you think Grayson said ?
2010 mid-terms was the year of teabagger and probably had more to do with Grayson losing than anything he said
Anyway, I personally hope your party takes your advise and runs even crazier moonbats
It will be interesting to test out your theory that the American public is only voting for moderate Dems because they are waiting for a truly insane right winger to vote for instead
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What stupid stuff do you think Grayson said ?
Other than calling the guy that beat him badly in 2010 "Taliban Dan" and his histrionics about the Republicans wanting people to "die quickly"?
Nothing!! ::)
2010 mid-terms was the year of teabagger and probably had more to do with Grayson losing than anything he said
Anyway, I personally hope your party takes your advise and runs even crazier moonbats
It will be interesting to test out your theory that the American public is only voting for moderate Dems because they are waiting for a truly insane right winger to vote for instead
You mean "moonbats" like Scott, Rubio, Cruz, Johnson, Toomey....OH WAIT!! They won!
Furthermore, your claim about my so-called "theory" is WAAAAAY off the mark. The way for the GOP to return to the winners' circle is NOT by being watered down versions of the Democrats. It's by being true conservatives, both on the fiscal and social side.
That's how you shore up the base; the independents will take care of themselves.
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Other than calling the guy that beat him badly in 2010 "Taliban Dan" and his histrionics about the Republicans wanting people to "die quickly"?
Nothing!! ::)
You mean "moonbats" like Scott, Rubio, Cruz, Johnson, Toomey....OH WAIT!! They won!
Furthermore, your claim about my so-called "theory" is WAAAAAY off the mark. The way for the GOP to return to the winners' circle is NOT by being watered down versions of the Democrats. It's by being true conservatives, both on the fiscal and social side.
That's how you shore up the base; the independents will take care of themselves.
Grayson lost to a very well known and popular FL politician and in a year when teabaggers were ascendant. He won again in 2012 with no change on rhetoric (to my recollection)
Do you really think Rubio and all the others you mentioned are 100% hard core right wingers (i.e. like Akin and his ilk)?
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According to FOX news, Akin was VERY MUCH a tea party guy. He was endorsed by the Tea Party. Akin had played up his Tea Party credentials. Read all about FOX convincing us that Akin was the most conservative candidate in the race.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/#ixzz2KQmLWXxU
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/
Then, we have a conflict. Rove said Akin is NOT a Tea Party guy. So does this fellow:
“Todd Akin is often called a Tea Party candidate,” says Tea Party Express strategist Sal Russo, “but we didn’t support him in the primary. Steelman was our candidate.”
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2013/02/karl_rove_s_american_crossroads_is_attempting_to_prevent_the_wrong_conservatives.html
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Grayson lost to a very well known and popular FL politician and in a year when teabaggers were ascendant. He won again in 2012 with no change on rhetoric (to my recollection)
Do you really think Rubio and all the others you mentioned are 100% hard core right wingers (i.e. like Akin and his ilk)?
And what makes Akin a "100% hardcore" right winger again?
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Then, we have a conflict. Rove said Akin is NOT a Tea Party guy. So does this fellow:
“Todd Akin is often called a Tea Party candidate,” says Tea Party Express strategist Sal Russo, “but we didn’t support him in the primary. Steelman was our candidate.”
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2013/02/karl_rove_s_american_crossroads_is_attempting_to_prevent_the_wrong_conservatives.html
That's what that one guy said AFTER Akin stepped in shit with that comment?
Funny, FOX sad the TP sure backed him before that. And they backed him after he beat the other guy, in the main election.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/
Sad case of trying to disown a guy instead of analyzing what kind of extremist mindset is costing them national elections. It's "akin" to saying the 1000 mph speed limit isn't the problem - slow cars are.
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And what makes Akin a "100% hardcore" right winger again?
Akin, 65, who drew the backing of former GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, has billed himself as a tea party supporter and has a strong conservative voting record in Congress.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/#ixzz2KQu2MGpN
He says he is, and his votes say he is.
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That's what that one guy said AFTER Akin stepped in shit with that comment?
Funny, FOX sad the TP sure backed him before that. And they backed him after he beat the other guy, in the main election.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/
Sad case of trying to disown a guy instead of analyzing what kind of extremist mindset is costing them national elections. It's "akin" to saying the 1000 mph speed limit isn't the problem - slow cars are.
Russo said he didn't support Akin during the PRIMARY; that would be before Akin's infamous comments.
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Russo said he didn't support Akin during the PRIMARY; that would be before Akin's infamous comments.
so why did FOX news call Akin "tea party backed"?
He was tea party backed when he made the comments. He was the (R) against the (D) at that point, right?
I have to go with FOX news on this one, they're the only one I trust.
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so why did FOX news call Akin "tea party backed"?
He was tea party backed when he made the comments. He was the (R) against the (D) at that point, right?
I have to go with FOX news on this one, they're the only one I trust.
Stop playing dumb.
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he wasn't the initial tea party favorite...
but once he won the (R) slot, they backed him.
And he bragged all along about his conservative record.
The republican/conservative media actually called him "tea party backed".
Now, ONE DUDE says he doesn't like him... Cool... but FOX says he's tea party backed, then he sure as FCK is.
Had Akin WON the election, the tea party would have certainly claimed a victory ;) He loses and suddenly he's not one of them, huh?
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he wasn't the initial tea party favorite...
but once he won the (R) slot, they backed him.
And he bragged all along about his conservative record.
The republican/conservative media actually called him "tea party backed".
Now, ONE DUDE says he doesn't like him... Cool... but FOX says he's tea party backed, then he sure as FCK is.
Had Akin WON the election, the tea party would have certainly claimed a victory ;) He loses and suddenly he's not one of them, huh?
Thanks for admitting that he wasn't the Tea Party's original guy. You can go ahead and delete the other lies you told in this thread.
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already posted by 240 but apparently missed by some on this board
Tea Party-backed Rep. Akin wins Missouri GOP Senate primary to take on McCaskill
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/#ixzz2KWpJTX2J
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He made the statement when he was ALREADY the winner of the (R) nomination, correct?
At that point, he WAS the tea-party backed candidate.
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LOL @ the article...
"Score another win for the Tea Party. "
Yep.
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If I'm not mistaken, most of the Tea Party people kept their seats in the last election. Yup, they're really on the way out.
RINOs like 240 foam at the mouth at the thought of the party being brought back to fiscally sanity.
The Senate Tea Party Caucus currently has three members and only 4 of 16 senatorial candidates backed by the Tea Party Express PAC emerged victorious on 6 Nov. One has since stepped down, meaning that Tea Party membership in the U.S. Senate is down 25% (its influence would remain negligible regardless).
Of 59 members of the Tea Party Caucus in the House, 48 were reelected on 6 Nov (a 19% reduction in membership). This is itself a generous glean of the outcome, however, because only 28 of these candidates had to run against Democrats (the rest ran unopposed or against hopeless third party candidates) and most of them acquired significantly less voteshare than in 2010. An example of this is Bachmann barely eking out a reelection victory in her district.
So, the Tea Party will continue to exert little to no influence over the Senate and a substantial but reduced influence over the House. If current trends continue it will be a negligible force in under a decade, though perhaps the spirit of its proposals will live on. It is hard to parse the negative impact of Tea Party candidates' tendency to be socially conservative versus their being fiscally conservative. Social conservatism is a large and ever-increasing liability in all but Republican primary elections; perhaps if the Tea Party Caucus eschews such craziness and focuses solely on fiscal conservatism it can remain relevant and avoid an establishment-led purge.
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they are more old school right instead of neocon but I agree the likability of the candidate is very important as sad as that is.
This
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the far right wackos can win the primary but then they get slaughtered in the general election
that's the problem for the right wing (though if you listen to McWay he'd tell you the problem is that they are just not running wacko enough candidates which is obviously more than a bit of a disconnect)
The problem is that if the somewhat more electable moderates don't win, someone who is obsessed with others' sex lives and wants the federal government to deny rights to citizens on that basis -- someone like McWay -- can always claim that such candidates lost in virtue of being moderate and that a "legitimate" conservative would have fared better, when the reality is that social moderates -- whether libertarian or establishment types -- are the Republican party's least worst option.
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According to FOX news, Akin was VERY MUCH a tea party guy. He was endorsed by the Tea Party. Akin had played up his Tea Party credentials. Read all about FOX convincing us that Akin was the most conservative candidate in the race.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/#ixzz2KQmLWXxU
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/
Akin was one of the early members of the Tea Party Caucus in the House, has consistently espoused Tea Party principles, has voted on the basis of those principles (e.g., voting against federal expansion in the form of Medicare Part D and No Child Left Behind, and, more recently, voting against raising the debt ceiling), and received endorsements from Tea Party luminaries such as Caucus founder Michele Bachmann, prominent House member Steve King, and former Senate Tea Party Caucus member Jim DeMint. Finally, a statement issued by the Gateway Grassroots Initiative -- a Missouri-based tea party organization -- and endorsed by 17 other local tea party groups repudiated Tea Party Express' endorsement of Steel over Akin (http://gatewaygrassroots.com/2012/03/22/statement-by-gateway-grassroots-on-tea-party-express-endorsement/ (http://gatewaygrassroots.com/2012/03/22/statement-by-gateway-grassroots-on-tea-party-express-endorsement/).*
He certainly sounds like a Tea Party member to me!
*The point of bringing up the 18 groups' refutation of Tea Party Express is to demonstrate that that national organization doesn't necessarily represent all Tea Partiers' opinion. So, just because they deemed Steel the "Tea Party candidate" doesn't make it so.
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already posted by 240 but apparently missed by some on this board
Tea Party-backed Rep. Akin wins Missouri GOP Senate primary to take on McCaskill
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/07/congressman-akins-wins-missouri-gop-senate-primary-to-take-on-sen-mccaskill/#ixzz2KWpJTX2J
Apparently, YOU missed what I posted over a week ago. Whenever a Tea Party guy loses in a primary, he usually backs the guy who beat him in the general election against his Democrat opponent.
Yet, when a Tea Party guy beats an establishment guy/RINO, more often than not, that RINO either slams the Tea Party candidate or he tries to run as an independent.
So, it is possible to be "Tea-Party backed" without necessarily being a Tea Party guy.
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Apparently, YOU missed what I posted over a week ago. Whenever a Tea Party guy loses in a primary, he usually backs the guy who beat him in the general election against his Democrat opponent.
Yet, when a Tea Party guy beats an establishment guy/RINO, more often than not, that RINO either slams the Tea Party candidate or he tries to run as an independent.
So, it is possible to be "Tea-Party backed" without necessarily being a Tea Party guy.
FOX uses a pretty weak logic then. I mean, was mitt romney a 'tea party backed candidate'?
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The problem is that if the somewhat more electable moderates don't win, someone who is obsessed with others' sex lives and wants the federal government to deny rights to citizens on that basis -- someone like McWay -- can always claim that such candidates lost in virtue of being moderate and that a "legitimate" conservative would have fared better, when the reality is that social moderates -- whether libertarian or establishment types -- are the Republican party's least worst option.
"Someone like McWay" isn't obsessed with anyone else's sex life. Neither is MCWAY for that matter.
Social moderates aren't the "least worst option" They're simply the worst option. Or did you forget that a number of them lost as well. In fact, many of them didn't even make it out of their respective primaries.
Social moderates are simply liberals who don't have the guts to, as the saying goes, come out of the closet.
The lion's share of Tea Party folks, particularly in the House, RETAINED their seats. Check and see how many of them believe in the CRAAAAZY notion of marriage being between one man and one woman.
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FOX uses a pretty weak logic then. I mean, was mitt romney a 'tea party backed candidate'?
Actually, he was, once he secured the GOP nomination.
Look at the history. Establishment/RINO types get beat; they undermined their primary opponent. Look at Charlie Crist, Arlen Specter, Lisa Murkowski, Mike Castle, etc.
In fact, Rush predicted much of this nearly THREE YEARS ago. He predicted Arlen Specter and Charlie Crist would flip and become Democrats.
The Dems, to their credit, don't engage in this. Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama were at each others' throats in 2008. But, once Obama won, Clinton fell right in line.
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Akin wasn't a Tea Party guy.
Only, he was?
I know we're playing games with "dude claimed to be tea party, but this one guy with the tea party said they wanted the other guy, then they got on akin's team..."
this same weak ass logic goes along with "technically, nobody ever PROVED that hermann cain was a shady cheater".
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Only, he was?
I know we're playing games with "dude claimed to be tea party, but this one guy with the tea party said they wanted the other guy, then they got on akin's team..."
this same weak ass logic goes along with "technically, nobody ever PROVED that hermann cain was a shady cheater".
Herman Cain was a boss pimp!...he should have tracked down all those chicks and given them hush money two years before the campaign...watching him debate Obama would have been awesome...and funny!