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Title: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: FallShineWebDesign on December 18, 2005, 09:40:57 AM
Dan Duchaine's Dirty Dieting Newsletter Archive
This guy is brilliant!

Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: billycarp on December 18, 2005, 11:59:02 AM
omg you made them all pdf's...i hate pdf's

What else would you use if you were starting with pdf?
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: FallShineWebDesign on December 18, 2005, 12:13:01 PM
nuttin...i'm just bitching cuz i hate it when it opens in ur browser all of the sudden -- takes like 10 seconds to load the pdf engine and always crashes my browser when i close the window. I like to know beforehand so I can dl them to my desktop and look at them that way -- then it doesn't crash, and you can open multiple pdf's at once (w/o having to reload and reload the engine the way you do when it's in the browser)

G... I think it's time you seriously thought about upgrading.  I know you're realllllllly good at Win95 and all, but there have been some serious innovations in software in the last 11 years!
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: billycarp on December 18, 2005, 12:57:41 PM
Make your own Synthol and save!



First one should be read as MCT's 85%
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: 240 is Back on December 18, 2005, 01:00:03 PM
First one should be read as MCT's 85%

Are you contradicting Dan Duchaine?

Back in the day, he'd beat you like a rented mule for saying such a thing!
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: billycarp on December 18, 2005, 01:35:57 PM
Are you contradicting Dan Duchaine?


No, he did that well enough himself.   8)
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: DIVISION on December 18, 2005, 02:03:10 PM
No, he did that well enough himself.   8)

William is crippin' on Dan's set.   ;D

Relax, man.......it's not like he's Bill Phillips or something.....




DIV
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: rocket on December 18, 2005, 02:05:46 PM
G... I think it's time you seriously thought about upgrading.  I know you're realllllllly good at Win95 and all, but there have been some serious innovations in software in the last 11 years!

I have an athlon64 3500 with a gig of ram and I still get delay opening PDF's

You can continue to upgrade your shit and adobe will still trump you with added bloat.

The answer is to not load pdfs in browsers.. use save as
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: Hurricane Beef ! on December 18, 2005, 02:15:02 PM
These pdf file were originally posted over at ProfessionalMuscle by one of the Mods.

FSWD, did nothing but re-post them.
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: hangclean on December 19, 2005, 02:34:02 PM
Are you contradicting Dan Duchaine?

Back in the day, he'd beat you like a rented mule for saying such a thing!
It really was MCT oil.  Duchaine said that himself.
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: FallShineWebDesign on December 19, 2005, 02:36:17 PM
It really was MCT oil.  Duchaine said that himself.

I know less about synthol/gear than I know about finding the G-spot. And I can't do that without a roadmap and a GPS locator. 

I just reposted the stuff.  Trying to read through it.  Duchaine writes on a pretty high level.
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: billycarp on December 19, 2005, 02:46:24 PM
It really was MCT oil.  Duchaine said that himself.

I was always curious about the use of MCT oil in this formulation -- not really sure why it would produce any significant differences vs. LCT's. 

Maybe someone could try making it with ENOVA oil and see how that works -- not that anyone around here makes the stuff themselves -- that would be wrong.
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: hangclean on December 19, 2005, 02:52:25 PM
I was always curious about the use of MCT oil in this formulation -- not really sure why it would produce any significant differences vs. LCT's. 

Maybe someone could try making it with ENOVA oil and see how that works -- not that anyone around here makes the stuff themselves -- that would be wrong.
I wish the whole idea of injecting oil into a muscle to make it look bigger would drop off the face of the earth.
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: DIVISION on December 19, 2005, 06:59:52 PM
Duchaine writes on a pretty high level.

Duchaine was the local legend.

Intelligent enough to decipher studies, yet able to relate to the common Roid Monkey's needs.

He bridged gaps, wrote rules, while other bitches faked jacks he made maneauvers!    >:(

Duchaine........First, Last & Always......

Recognize.......




DIV
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: billycarp on December 19, 2005, 09:41:00 PM
Duchaine was the local legend.

Intelligent enough to decipher studies, yet able to relate to the common Roid Monkey's needs.

He bridged gaps, wrote rules, while other bitches faked jacks he made maneauvers!    >:(

Duchaine........First, Last & Always......

Recognize.......




DIV

Name one thing he actually came up with that was original?  Granted he did some cool stuff -- but original?
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: billycarp on December 19, 2005, 09:49:59 PM
What's enova oil? MCT dissapates after like 3-5 days...I don't know the jokers who came up with the 2 year bullshit.

What you actually need is some fluid that'll spread real nicely for like a day -- so it gets all throughout your muscle. Then firms up and stays around for a couple weeks. So it's not in one spot, but remains long enough that it can stretch the muscle w/o having to inject every other day. MCT does that to a point, but not very well.

And, oddly enough, it seems that the oil in QV (I don't know what they use) takes like 3 weeks to fully dissapate. But, it hardly spreads in your muscle, so it's lame in place of MCT because it always makes prominent lumps.

www.boom7.com

ENOVA oil is a diglyceride -- but it doesn't really matter I don't think.  I believe that any oil would most likely work in a similar fashion.

Regarding the QV issue -- what you are most likely experiencing is irritation at the injection due to the compound in the oil and not the oil itself.  They most likely use cottenseed oil or something similar.
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: DIVISION on December 19, 2005, 10:00:10 PM
Name one thing he actually came up with that was original?  Granted he did some cool stuff -- but original?

He was the first to apply Ketogenic diets to bodybuilding, for the purposes of depletion and hypercompensation....... mainly for pre-contest prep.




DIV
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: Van_Bilderass on December 19, 2005, 10:05:25 PM
He was the first to apply Ketogenic diets to bodybuilding, for the purposes of depletion and hypercompensation....... mainly for pre-contest prep.




DIV
I think you are wrong. I think it was some guy named Zumpano who came up with it first.
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: billycarp on December 19, 2005, 10:06:12 PM
He was the first to apply Ketogenic diets to bodybuilding, for the purposes of depletion and hypercompensation....... mainly for pre-contest prep.

DIV

Oh, really?  What about Mauro DiPasquale's "Anabolic Diet"?
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: McFarland on December 19, 2005, 10:09:51 PM
Anything the guy wrote was golden.  You could always count on "the good shit" being contained within his works.  He knew precisely how to appeal to us.  And it doesn't really matter that all of his ideas weren't original.  Again, "it's all been done before," and what really counts is the ingenuity of a product or idea's packaging.  It's that packaging that can make the seemingly irrelevant suddenly entirely relevant and applicable to new markets, just by re-aligning perceptions.  Like DIV said, he "bridged gaps."       
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: Van_Bilderass on December 19, 2005, 10:12:56 PM
I think you are wrong. I think it was some guy named Zumpano who came up with it first.
Check this DivNugga, word from Duchaine himself:
Quote
Newsgroups: misc.fitness.weights
From: dducha...@aol.com (DDuchaine) - Find messages by this author
Date: 1996/02/16
Subject: Re: Zumpano Rebound Diet?
Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse

In article <4g1i0v$...@thorn.cc.usm.edu>, byoun...@whale.st.usm.edu

(Bernard Younger) writes:
>Does anyone have the details of this diet?


It is the basis of all the ketogenic cycle diets.
Zumpano published it in 1980 in Muscle Builder.
Modified version came out in 1983 as the
"Ultimate Dieting Handbook".

Dan Duchaine
Quote
7. DDuchaine
Aug 31 1995, 11:00 pm

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: dducha...@aol.com (DDuchaine) - Find messages by this author
Date: 1995/09/01
Subject: Re: Credibility of "The Zone"

The Anabolic Diet is simply a variation of the Ultimate
Diet that I and Michael Zumpano published in 1982.
The UD was a low calorie version of Zumpano's
Rebound Training System, published in Weider's
Muscle Power in 1980. I am unusually irked at
DiPasguale in not acknowledging Zumpano's role
of all the subsequent cyclic ketogenic diets.
BTW: the AD is immensely crude in comparison
to my (upcoming) BODYOPUS variant. I do not
recommend eating SPAM as Mauro does.

That's real holmes.
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: billycarp on December 19, 2005, 10:17:15 PM
Check this DivNugga, word from Duchaine himself:
That's real holmes.

Yeah, they are -- I actually remember when he wrote those.

I am just playing with DIV on this whole DD thing -- everyone has their idols. 

And, like Jeff stated it was more on how he presented things vs. whether or not the idea was his -- which a lot were not.

Just being real DIV.
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: DIVISION on December 19, 2005, 10:42:26 PM
Anything the guy wrote was golden.  You could always count on "the good shit" being contained within his works.  He knew precisely how to appeal to us.  And it doesn't really matter that all of his ideas weren't original.  Again, "it's all been done before," and what really counts is the ingenuity of a product or idea's packaging.  It's that packaging that can make the seemingly irrelevant suddenly entirely relevant and applicable to new markets, just by re-aligning perceptions.  Like DIV said, he "bridged gaps."       

While others faked jacks, Duchaine made maneauvers.......

Yeah, they are -- I actually remember when he wrote those.

I am just playing with DIV on this whole DD thing -- everyone has their idols. 

And, like Jeff stated it was more on how he presented things vs. whether or not the idea was his -- which a lot were not.

Just being real DIV.

True.

Duchaine took what Zumpano came up with and altered it to fit what he wanted for BodyOpus.  Agree though, it was how he changed the presentation, how he fed it to us in a palatable way that we could understand and digest.




DIV
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: HOSTILE on January 03, 2006, 03:23:15 PM
can you send me the pdf's to Dan Duchaine's DD news letter ?? I think they were deleted on get big or i just cant find them thanks -
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: 240 is Back on January 03, 2006, 04:46:43 PM
http://smackdaddymusic.com/dand.htm

Word to the Duchaine loyalists.
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: BB on January 03, 2006, 06:00:39 PM
Yes, the MM2K audio newsletters. Duchaine, Mentzer, Poliquin, and a bunch of the EAS guys did them.

The Duchaine one had the voice plus a beep that made everyone cringe.
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: BB on January 03, 2006, 06:13:15 PM
Mine went MIA years ago:(.
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: Beyond Genetics on January 03, 2006, 07:26:11 PM
Dan Duchaine's Dirty Dieting Newsletter Archive
This guy is brilliant!



Wasn't that guys only source of protein young jewish boys,,,  oh yeah,,  that was Sir Duchaine..  nevermind.
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: willie mosconi on July 18, 2007, 07:03:25 PM
how did duchaine die? what killed him?
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: BB on July 18, 2007, 08:43:45 PM
He had a genetic disorder called Polycystic Kidney Disease that kills most people pretty young, that and I believe he had a bad flu or pneumonia that took advantage of his weakened state.
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on July 18, 2007, 09:03:03 PM
Why was this thread dug up for .... ???





On a short note....I miss having billycarp's knowledge and insight on bodybuilding.  RIP
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: willie mosconi on July 18, 2007, 09:24:09 PM
Why was this thread dug up for .... ???





On a short note....I miss having billycarp's knowledge and insight on bodybuilding.  RIP

when i get bored, i click on the last pages of the message board for no real reason but boredom. if something is of interest to me, i post in it. kinda strange, but fun.
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: willie mosconi on July 18, 2007, 09:25:05 PM
Why was this thread dug up for .... ???





On a short note....I miss having billycarp's knowledge and insight on bodybuilding.  RIP

how did he die? I can't remember that either
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on July 18, 2007, 09:33:38 PM
He had a genetic disorder called Polycystic Kidney Disease that kills most people pretty young, that and I believe he had a bad flu or pneumonia that took advantage of his weakened state.


Dan Duchaine refused to go to the hospital despite everyone telling him too.  He could still be alive had he'd done that although it would have been slim.  Still should have fought to live. 

Mentzer basically took joy in him suffering.  Duchaine did some pretty nasty things to him such as spread the rumor that he was drinking his own urine and the infamous seminar where he announced that Mike Mentzer had died from suicide
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: 240 is Back on July 18, 2007, 09:34:52 PM
On a short note....I miss having billycarp's knowledge and insight on bodybuilding.  RIP

RIP Billy Carp.  Gone for 18 months now.
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: BB on July 18, 2007, 10:04:06 PM

Dan Duchaine refused to go to the hospital despite everyone telling him too.  He could still be alive had he'd done that although it would have been slim.  Still should have fought to live. 



Yes, he was near or at the time he should have started dialysis. One theory at the time was that he had seen a few friends go through dialysis(including one just a few months before) and decided he wanted no part of it.
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: LatsMcGee on July 19, 2007, 02:57:37 AM
He was the first to apply Ketogenic diets to bodybuilding, for the purposes of depletion and hypercompensation....... mainly for pre-contest prep.




DIV

Vince Gironda bro.
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: 240 is Back on July 19, 2007, 02:16:07 PM
Ah yes, the Duchaine archive!  I had lost this!
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: Jake_W on July 19, 2007, 02:58:12 PM
                                              R.I.P
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: iabadman2 on July 19, 2007, 03:34:52 PM
Can someone please post the old diet from the old handbook ? Not the one from Body Opus ,but the 10 day one from his first handbook.......It would be appreciated ......thanks
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: BB on July 19, 2007, 11:33:28 PM
If you mean the Zumpano and Duchaine diet. I haven't seen it reprinted anywhere, but if you go to www.dejanews.com and type in "Duchaine Zumpano diet" you can piece it together pretty well. 
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: BB on July 20, 2007, 12:26:11 AM
If you scroll to the last post in this thread: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/archive/index.php?t-892725.html , it will give you a look at what the training program looked like. That's the best I've found, but if you really want to know all the in's-and-out's of the "Rebound" training program, Ricky Dale Crain still sells the booklet for a few bucks. I think his website is www.crainsmuscleworld.co m .

Zumpano also covered it in Muscle Builder magazine in the early 80's.
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: Livewire on July 20, 2007, 11:06:56 AM
did duchaine ever compete?

how old at death?

what was official cause?
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: BB on July 20, 2007, 01:29:46 PM
Yes, he did compete a bit, I remember seeing pictures from a mixed pairs event from 1982 or so He looked to be 180ish, which may sound bad but was o.k. for the timeframe. He certainly seemed fitter than many of the other gurus.

He was around 48 when he passed.
Title: Re: Duchaine's Dieting Newsletter Archive
Post by: iabadman2 on July 20, 2007, 01:58:29 PM
BB ,thanks for taking the time to post that..........way cool of you bro......very much appreciate you taking you time to do that....