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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Cleanest Natural on July 12, 2006, 02:18:58 PM
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Not trying to be a dick but there are ALOT of clen threads on the first 2 pages that would answer all your questions.
if you want specifics, let us know more about your history and how high your bodyfat is at this time.
diet and training should be staple for losing weight, clen is best used once you are at a fairly low bodyfat % already.
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1. proper diet
2. cardio
3. clen , 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, works good, 2,3,4,5 pills a day !! each pill 2mcg
cuts cycle , how about sust, winny, or test cip promobolan , or primobolan and winny...
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you dont use test or deca for cutting
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...or trenabol acetat/winny/primo depo
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...or trenabol acetat/winny/primo depo
I have never used any of these compounds. Just Test Enanthate, Deca, Dbol. I have never done an all out cutting cycle either obviously so I am rather curious to hear some feedback on this specific combination and its effects on your physique as opposed to what I have taken. I know that a cutting cycle is only as good as your diet and cardio (and T3, clen and diueretic usage for competitors) but is it that different as opposed to gains with Test E, Deca or Dbol? I would love to compete and am curious about these compounds from a real world usage point of view (not just what is written on roid sites and magazines) Thanks in advance bros.
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I have never used any of these compounds. Just Test Enanthate, Deca, Dbol. I have never done an all out cutting cycle either obviously so I am rather curious to hear some feedback on this specific combination and its effects on your physique as opposed to what I have taken. I know that a cutting cycle is only as good as your diet and cardio (and T3, clen and diueretic usage for competitors) but is it that different as opposed to gains with Test E, Deca or Dbol? I would love to compete and am curious about these compounds from a real world usage point of view (not just what is written on roid sites and magazines) Thanks in advance bros.
to hendog,
test e/deca/dbol is widely use stack,
i think it is the most popular stack around the world !
cycle could supply good gains, mass size and strenght,
in base it is an mass cycle ! (dbol and test)
.... guys rather take mass than cuts cycles !
also if u r 1st time on roids you gonna take an mass cycle !
cutts cycle is 2nd cycle !
do one mass cycle and than one cutts cycle !
u r next !
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to hendog,
test e/deca/dbol is widely use stack,
i think it is the most popular stack around the world !
cycle could supply good gains, mass size and strenght,
in base it is an mass cycle ! (dbol and test)
.... guys rather take mass than cuts cycles !
also if u r 1st time on roids you gonna take an mass cycle !
cutts cycle is 2nd cycle !
do one mass cycle and than one cutts cycle !
u r next !
That was my whole goal from the start to get a good foundation of mass so I stuck with a cycle sceme that works. I chose not to do a cut cycle for my second, or third for that matter because I didn't feel I was big enough even afterwards. I was going for sheer size and gained quite a bit from those kinds of cycles but as far as winny, tren, primo, halos, GH, Slin, Diueretics (of any form), T3 usage for cuts I have no experience. Of course I can't help but feel that I will never be big enough and can always be bigger, but I would like to be dense and big. Right now my bf% is 10 to 11 % at a weight of 230lbs. It is hard to decide when to cut and when to build if being big and lean is your ultimate goal because without the mass your cuts aren't as profound (at least in my mind)
u r next now bro ;D
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If you're going to use Test for cutting then I'd use Prop.
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If you're going to use Test for cutting then I'd use Prop.
Not trying to be a smart as but reason being?
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Not trying to be a smart as but reason being?
Most people usually gain less water (bloat less) when taking Prop.
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I'm also planning to do a cutting cycle in about two months with Test Prop (among other things).
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If you're going to use Test for cutting then I'd use Prop.
test is again a must
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Most people usually gain less water (bloat less) when taking Prop.
test prop is preffered form of test for dieting/cutting phases of training, giving the user less water and fat retention than :test e , cyp, sust...
test prop / tren acetat = a bomb
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I'm also planning to do a cutting cycle in about two months with Test Prop (among other things).
please present us your new cycle ...?
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test prop is preffered form of test for dieting/cutting phases of training, giving the user less water and fat retention than :test e , cyp, sust...
test prop / tren acetat = a bomb
But couldn't you use a mild diueretic in conjunction with test E to combat the bloat? I am asking because I seriously don't know but sounds logical.
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weight ?
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weight ?
Sorry bro but I am not following the question. Do you mean what is my current weight?
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yes man,
what is your current heigh ?? u only supply 230 lbs !
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yes man,
you current heigh ?? u only 230 lbs !
Unfortunately yes. But I carry it well ;D
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and what about your heigh ?
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5'10", shoe size 13 and mother maiden name is ... well I wish I had a mother. ;D
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5'10", shoe size 13 and mother maiden name is ... well I wish I had a mother. ;D
i am 13 too !!
5'10 and 230 lbs , looks good to me,
are you mass opsesive ??
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i am 13 too !!
5'10 and 230 lbs , looks good to me,
are you mass opsesive ??
Yes, my idols in bodybuilding are Markus Ruhl, Dorian Yates, Jay Cutler, Dennis james and I will get laughed at for this one but Art Atwood. I have never seen a pro put on that much size in 2 years. Fricken monster. Branch Warren is another guy I think is bad ass.
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test prop / tren acetat = a bomb
Word...running this right now with t-3 and clen. I had planned to throw in halo at then end with all this but I believe now I'm going to just stick with what I'm on.
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Yes, my idols in bodybuilding are Markus Ruhl, Dorian Yates, Jay Cutler, Dennis james and I will get laughed at for this one but Art Atwood. I have never seen a pro put on that much size in 2 years. Fricken monster. Branch Warren is another guy I think is bad ass.
No shame in being an Atwood fan, he's the only guy when doing a rear lat spread that I've ever seen where it looks like he's got another set of lats coming out of his lats...Freaky :o
Branch and Jay are also unreal, Branch just keeps getting better and better. I would love to see Ruhl in person, but so far I never have.
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Word...running this right now with t-3 and clen. I had planned to throw in halo at then end with all this but I believe now I'm going to just stick with what I'm on.
here is another one prop/tren fan , we could start up party
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If I can get some pics taken I will post them in a new thread for honest critism and advice (and insults because it is inevitable). I just want to be my best and hopefully compete someday and you can't do that without honest no BS critism and advice. Plus I like this forum. Lot of good guys with great attitudes (except the occasional roid rage, which I am guilty of at times) and knowledge. With a group like this I am bound to hear what I need to hear to get it in gear and make the proper changes for the best.
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No shame in being an Atwood fan, he's the only guy when doing a rear lat spread that I've ever seen where it looks like he's got another set of lats coming out of his lats...Freaky :o
Branch and Jay are also unreal, Branch just keeps getting better and better. I would love to see Ruhl in person, but so far I never have.
I know alot of people don't like what Art has built but I appreciate it. He is a true warrior and from what I hear a hell of a nice guy.
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here is another one prop/tren fan , we could start up party
only if you bring the tren sporty
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uuu not so fast..
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uuu not so fast..
You didn't state BYOT dude so I figured it was cool. ;D
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L0L :D
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Word...running this right now with t-3 and clen. I had planned to throw in halo at then end with all this but I believe now I'm going to just stick with what I'm on.
Do you compete Arnie Jr? How has the combination of t-3 and clen with tren and primo working for you as far as body composition, bf% and density?
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please present us your new cycle ...?
The current plan is the following:
Weeks 1-7 40-50mg Tbol ED
Weeks 1-10 450mg Test Prop & 300 Masteron
Weeks 11-12 400mg Test Prop
PCT - Clomid for about 20days
I'll also be taking about 40mg of Nolva a week during the cycle.
I might also throw some Clen into the mix but who knows.
I'm planning on starting it in October.
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it would be a revolution !
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it would be a revolution !
Huh?
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do you mix prop and masterone in same syrigne !?
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Do you compete Arnie Jr? How has the combination of t-3 and clen with tren and primo working for you as far as body composition, bf% and density?
This cycle was for a show I have coming up in August, but I'm not sure if the show is going to work out for me or not. I had some injuries during my diet along with a stomach virus that set me back a little bit. The show is 5wks from this coming Saturday, but from looking in the mirror I feel I probably need 8wks wks do be in top form. Here in a few wks I'll make a decision about what I'll do, if I feel I can be on point then I'll do it, if not, I'll find another show a few wks later or just scratch the whole thing this go around and go back to the drawing board. By no means will I ever step on stage if I'm not 100%...why anyone ever does this is beyond me.
As for the prop/tren/clen/t-3, one of the best stacks for leaning out...this is assuming everything else is in order, i.e. no injuries, no virus.
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do you mix prop and masterone in same syrigne !?
Yes. I've got three 20ml bottles of Prop/Masteron blend. It's 75mg of Prop & 50mg of Masteron per ml.
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what thay cost ?
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This cycle was for a show I have coming up in August, but I'm not sure if the show is going to work out for me or not. I had some injuries during my diet along with a stomach virus that set me back a little bit. The show is 5wks from this coming Saturday, but from looking in the mirror I feel I probably need 8wks wks do be in top form. Here in a few wks I'll make a decision about what I'll do, if I feel I can be on point then I'll do it, if not, I'll find another show a few wks later or just scratch the whole thing this go around and go back to the drawing board. By no means will I ever step on stage if I'm not 100%...why anyone ever does this is beyond me.
As for the prop/tren/clen/t-3, one of the best stacks for leaning out...this is assuming everything else is in order, i.e. no injuries, no virus.
Sorry to hear about the set backs bro. Contest prep can be brutal to the body from what I hear. Where was the show going to be held? I know of an NPC coming up in Missouri next month. That is about as close as I will be to a contest anytime soon (spectator). I want to compete badly but got some more growing and maturing to doing physically (probably mentally too) ;D
What are your current stats if you don't mind me asking?
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What are your current stats if you don't mind me asking?
5'8" Floating around 195lbs. I haven't had my bf checked lately but have had it done several times in the past and based on that I'd say somewhere in the mid to high 6% range. The plan was compete as a light heavy, but of coarse I would rather be doing it as a heavy...pure ego thing. But so far I haven't been comfortable getting above 220lbs during bulking phases simply because that makes dieting even tougher. I don't care for my bf getting much over the 10-12% during bulking so 220 is as big as I've let myself get. Hopefully as I get better I'll be able to put on more lean mass and come in heavier without having to sacrifice conditioning.
The show is in TN.
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Wow...Good luck man!
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6% bf, its good,
impressive..
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5'8" Floating around 195lbs. I haven't had my bf checked lately but have had it done several times in the past and based on that I'd say somewhere in the mid to high 6% range. The plan was compete as a light heavy, but of coarse I would rather be doing it as a heavy...pure ego thing. But so far I haven't been comfortable getting above 220lbs during bulking phases simply because that makes dieting even tougher. I don't care for my bf getting much over the 10-12% during bulking so 220 is as big as I've let myself get. Hopefully as I get better I'll be able to put on more lean mass and come in heavier without having to sacrifice conditioning.
The show is in TN.
It is where I am at with my approach to bodybuilding in essence I desire more size. I am currently at 230lbs 11% bf. I have never cut down, competed or tried to lean out because in the back of my mind I am simply not big enough yet. I guess it is all psycological and very individual in nature from person to person in this sport but I will have to overcome the HUGE at all costs mentallity to look better. Here you are at 6% bf and probably look great. 195 lbs at 6% bf is awesome and I hope you decide to compete to prove most of all to yourself that you are better than you give yourself credit for (light heavy, heavy or otherwise). I am in the same boat with you brother, you have taken it further and accomplished more than me in the competition arena but we want our best out of ourselves. Please keep after it and keep us posted. There isn't a person here that doesn't back you and respect you for the balls it takes to pursue your dream.
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what thay cost ?
I think about $50 a bottle...but the guy is no longer in business. He got out of the "game" about four or five months ago. I've only had them about six or seven months.
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good price !
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test prop is preffered form of test for dieting/cutting phases of training, giving the user less water and fat retention than :test e , cyp, sust...
test prop / tren acetat = a bomb
This is the cycle I'm on, adding in the clen at 4 weeks. Did this last year, what a cycle...can you say sick!
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hi man,
what dosages do you take ?
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Hgh and Test for cutting . . .
blast furnace mode.
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have you ever use test and Gh stacked togather !?
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thanku again to every jackass who answered all my questions. ;)
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again ...for the wiseguys who want me to do research first...i am currently 229 and covered but nowere near fat under good light i look good...anyway...i got a modeling gig and need to look super thin and tight....i got t3 and clenbuterol...i will barely work out and i need to do this in a month or so...i'll do cardio and eat tight and probably little...i need dosages for clen ant t3...i'm just coming off test so i'll use nolva for the next few weeks....is it enough info?
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did i mention i wanna get ripped at about 180 maximmum? i got a fast metabolism....
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i'm 5'11'' ...now u guys got all the info i hope.
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40lbs in a month, that's pushing it, even with the clen and t-3. Second thing, taking t-3 without AAS will cause you to lose muscle mass, this is inevitable to some degree when t-3 is involved, but that is why it is recommended to take AAS when taking t-3 as to help preserve some of the muscle. Next thing, you said you'd hardly be working out, bad idea IMO, again, you want to hang on to all the muscle you can when dieting, and the more you have the faster your metabolism is going to run. Doing tons of cardio, a starvation diet, t-3 and clen along with little weight training? You may drop the 40lbs but I don't think your approach is going to yield pleasing results...if your not carefull, the bulk of the weight loss will be muscle mass, then you'll just be a 180lb skinny guy. :-X
As far as dosing of the 2 go:
Clen 2wks on 2wks off, 40mcg-140mcg ed...once yo find the dose your comfortable with you can just start with that, for instance I always start at 120-140mcg
T-3 ramp up ramp down, 50mcg-100mcg-50mcg...just an example, you can start lower at 25mcg and increment up 25mcg per wk instead of 50mcg, up to you.
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how about 5-6 weeks....i won't mind the muscle loss...i am aware of it...i'll build it up anyway no problem....i did 60 lbs before in 3 months...so...what do you think?...not to forget...define tons of cardio?i'm thinking to eat little protein some veggies...and some carbs in the morning...no aas..but if needed?
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arnie....to give u an idea of how much muscle i carry on my frame....normally if i don't work out i'm about 165-170 at 5'11''...and pretty nicely cut even on a crappy diet...