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Has anybody cracked the code to roulette? I've lost thousands gambling online, and need to recoup my losses. Sadly the Martingale system doesn't work as the unpredictable streaks in roulette can leave you lying flat.
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Roulette is terrible worst odds and impossible to use a system or even cheat for that matter. Stick to Blackjack or even hold em if you can read people.
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Always bet on black! (no racist)
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Roulette is terrible worst odds and impossible to use a system or even cheat for that matter. Stick to Blackjack or even hold em if you can read people.
I thought you can bet on Red or Black, or 1-18 or 19-36 with a strong chance of winning? You don't have to bet on a number.
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When gambling ALWAYS bet on the streak cause then u only lose once... In everything,ex: if u were taking NE MONEYLINE To win at home you would of won 5 years of home games before you lost...
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When gambling ALWAYS bet on the streak cause then u only lose once... In everything,ex: if u were taking NE MONEYLINE To win at home you would of won 5 years of home games before you lost...
That's a good idea, but streaks come and go, which is the problem. If you bet on the streak, there is no streak, and if you bet on there being no streak, then there's a streak. So I wish I had simply stayed away from gambling.
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Roulette is terrible worst odds and impossible to use a system or even cheat for that matter. Stick to Blackjack or even hold em if you can read people.
Yep. Play Black jack only. Unless you owned at poker.
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Yep. Play Black jack only. Unless you owned at poker.
Blackjack's another great way to lose your money; trust me on that. I just played at a renowned online casino, and lost 6 in a row, before a push (tie), then another 3 loses in a row before I finally won, and believe me, I know how to play. That shows how much Blackjack is geared toward the banker.
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I thought you can bet on Red or Black, or 1-18 or 19-36 with a strong chance of winning? You don't have to bet on a number.
Yes bet it only pays 1:1 with 0 and 00 to deal with. Hard to use any strategy in roulette.
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Blackjack's another great way to lose your money; trust me on that. I just played at a renowned online casino, and lost 6 in a row, before a push (tie), then another 3 loses in a row before I finally won, and believe me, I know how to play. That shows how much Blackjack is geared toward the banker.
I never play online. Just in Vegas.
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I never play online. Just in Vegas.
I heard that in real life play, it's hard to lose more than 4 times in a row if you know how to play properly. Is that true?
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Yes bet it only pays 1:1 with 0 and 00 to deal with. Hard to use any strategy in roulette.
Haha, I've tried all sorts of roulette prediction software without much success! Clickbank sells such programs.
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7 11 20 30 32 .
seriously try it. not just once or twice. but really try it . you will win
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I usually use 0 26 32 (covering every win chance) & then select 2 random numbers - a teen & a 30 something. Its surprising how much i actually win but ultimately its all chance.
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Well, I guess I'll bite and feed the troll...
Has anybody cracked the code to roulette? I've lost thousands gambling online, and need to recoup my losses. Sadly the Martingale system doesn't work as the unpredictable streaks in roulette can leave you lying flat.
There's your problem: your premise is flawed. There's no "code" and no "system" because roulette is a game of chance. Playing more to "recoup your losses" will only serve one purpose: to prove you're stupid enough to go lose more money.
The only advice that's worth giving you -- although I doubt you'll take it -- is to stop gambling away money you obviously can't afford to lose.
I heard that in real life play, it's hard to lose more than 4 times in a row if you know how to play properly. Is that true?
I would point out that it's called gambling, and that should really answer your question. Although if I wanted to be super-accurate I could say that the answer depends on what "to lose" means in this context.
Frankly, it should be fairly obvious that in general the answer is "no of course it's not true!" But perhaps that's the mathematician in me speaking.
As for systems: no system out there can guarantee wins. Not even that retarded "double the bet whenever you lose" system that everyone seems to think will help them break the bank. Let me be very clear: that system could work in theory and then only if you had an infinite stack of chips. Alas, it doesn't work well in practice and not just because your stack of chips is finite but also because of table limits. The bottom line is that it's called gambling for a reason...
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Well, I guess I'll bite and feed the troll...
There's your problem: your premise is flawed. There's no "code" and no "system" because roulette is a game of chance. Playing more to "recoup your losses" will only serve one purpose: to prove you're stupid enough to go lose more money.
The only advice that's worth giving you -- although I doubt you'll take it -- is to stop gambling away money you obviously can't afford to lose.
I would point out that it's called gambling, and that should really answer your question. Although if I wanted to be super-accurate I could say that the answer depends on what "to lose" means in this context.
Frankly, it should be fairly obvious that in general the answer is "no of course it's not true!" But perhaps that's the mathematician in me speaking.
As for systems: no system out there can guarantee wins. Not even that retarded "double the bet whenever you lose" system that everyone seems to think will help them break the bank. Let me be very clear: that system could work in theory and then only if you had an infinite stack of chips. Alas, it doesn't work well in practice and not just because your stack of chips is finite but also because of table limits. The bottom line is that it's called gambling for a reason...
You fuckin' troll, your 'advice' sucks like a hog. Everyone knows the crap you just spewed, so unless you know a few secrets to help me win at gambling, shut your mouth up. NOW GIVE ME A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS! I want the money, and I want it now boy! You can Paypal the cash to me, hehe.
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Has anybody cracked the code to roulette? I've lost thousands gambling online, and need to recoup my losses. Sadly the Martingale system doesn't work as the unpredictable streaks in roulette can leave you lying flat.
No Jon, but i've cracked the code to your mom's pussy - $5.
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No Jon, but i've cracked the code to your mom's pussy - $5.
That can't be the case 'BigCyp' since you're a fuckin' queer. Now you can help me by putting COLD HARD CASH in my account, then maybe I'll help you learn to be a real man and BB like I am, you little dweeb.
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That can't be the case 'BigCyp' since you're a fuckin' queer. Now you can help me by putting COLD HARD CASH in my account, then maybe I'll help you learn to be a real man and BB like I am, you little dweeb.
Real men dont try to tax people on an internet discussion board, hope this helps.
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Real men dont try to tax people on an internet discussion board, hope this helps.
Are you saying that 'Jon' would suck an old indian beggars balls dry in exchange for free chinese lessons, GCD?
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Biggest wins i've gotten out of roulette have been with this method pick 6-8 consecutive numbers on a roulette wheel and stick to them, streaks do happen. If you are lucky you can find a rookie dealer (obviously on live games) see a few rounds where he/she lands the ball most and pick that area. And i'm sure you know that now you can play with live dealers online too.
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Roulette has negative expectation. It's no better than blackjack for that sort of thing - no point in even playing it.
I play no-limit hold 'em on Pokerstars at the moment and I'm breaking even after the last three months - only played about 15,000 hands at the microstakes but I need to work on my discipline - keep breaking my own rules after a winning streak and end up losing most of it - frustrating as hell but I'm determined to master it.
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Roulette has negative expectation. It's no better than blackjack for that sort of thing - no point in even playing it.
I play no-limit hold 'em on Pokerstars at the moment and I'm breaking even after the last three months - only played about 15,000 hands at the microstakes but I need to work on my discipline - keep breaking my own rules after a winning streak and end up losing most of it - frustrating as hell but I'm determined to master it.
Trust me you're not alone! ;D
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Trust me you're not alone! ;D
Haha, I was fucking raging last night - I raised and then evetually went all-in with KJ offsuit on the button against some dude who re-raised me in the small blind with what turned out to be Ace 10. It's a hand I never even bother playing but for some reason I had a mad turn and thought I could steal the blinds with it. :-\
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Haha, I was fucking raging last night - I raised and then evetually went all-in with KJ offsuit on the button against some dude who re-raised me in the small blind with what turned out to be Ace 10. It's a hand I never even bother playing but for some reason I had a mad turn and thought I could steal the blinds with it. :-\
So you couldn't catch him when the cards came out? With AT he wasn't that far ahead.
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So you couldn't catch him when the cards came out? With AT he wasn't that far ahead.
Nope - flop had an Ace and a Queen and the turn and thr river were rags - I only stayed in the hand to make my straight and bust him but it never came.
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I'll be at Lake Tahoe (they have casinos) the next 3 days and give you a full report.
But as we already know; all casino games are based on math. Math, not random chance. The math in the game of roulette can not be beaten. Sure you can have short term success, but long term play in roulette will always lead to the same conclusion- the house wins. It's the math.
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I'll be at Lake Tahoe (they have casinos) the next 3 days and give you a full report.
But as we already know; all casino games are based on math. Math, not random chance. The math in the game of roulette can not be beaten. Sure you can have short term success, but long term play in roulette will always lead to the same conclusion- the house wins. It's the math.
Some spaniards found a system to beat roulette. It was more physical. They watched certain wheels and learned that the wheels were not perfectly plane so they ended up having a sweet spot (section) then they watched certain dealers who spun the ball had a particular way that always ended up in this sweet spot. After much trial and error they were able to narrow it down to about 8 numbers with a particular guy spinning the wheel. They cleaned house.
I used to love watching this show called breaking vegas that went over many cheats and how they won. The common theme in ALL of them getting caught was GREED.
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Some spaniards found a system to beat roulette. It was more physical. They watched certain wheels and learned that the wheels were not perfectly plane so they ended up having a sweet spot (section) then they watched certain dealers who spun the ball had a particular way that always ended up in this sweet spot. After much trial and error they were able to narrow it down to about 8 numbers with a particular guy spinning the wheel. They cleaned house.
I used to love watching this show called breaking vegas that went over many cheats and how they won. The common theme in ALL of them getting caught was GREED.
MOS, that's referred to as a "biased wheel". The condition does happen but it is very rare and you must (almost always) have a dealer working the casino that spots the condition and calls you in to play.
But it can and does happen. That dealer motion of tossing the ball and spinning the wheel is very repetetive and can evidently become predictable, to some degree.
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Tommy W. is correct by saying "It's all based on math".
That's absolutely true.
But what he failed to mention and which is also very true (but often never understood) is that the casino wins only wins when the player wins.
It would take a while to explain and prove that here but the simple explanation is that casino almost never pays you your "proper winnings".
For instance the casino will pay a winner 90% of the true odds and retain the remaining 10% as their profit.
And this occurs evertime you win within a casino except when you place true odds bets while playing Craps .... but even that is debatable.
"Sweet spots" are possible but almost 100% of the time system books are written by individuals who have to write about their systems to cover their gambling losses as a result of using their systems.
One strange thing I've noticed after watching many hundreds of hours of roulette in Las Vegas casinos is that the ball usually lands on a number that has the fewest number of chips placed on it but I have no explanation for that common occurance.
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"Sweet spots" are possible but almost 100% of the time system books are written by individuals who have to write about their systems to cover their gambling losses as a result of using their systems.'
;D LOL! We agree completely.
After all, if the "system" really worked you would just use the system daily, win millions $$$, and never share the secret. KFC doesn't share their secret recipe.
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AS an aside .....
There are 38 numbers that are bettable if you play roulette (in addition to the side bets).
36 of those numbers are numbered 1 through 36.
And there are two additional numbers on an English wheel ... "0" and "00"
So if you place a $10 bet on number "8" and win .... you actually should win 37 times the amount of your bet ($370) but US casinos will only pay you 35 to 1 which is $350 thereby making the casino a $20 profit.
All those other chips that were not winners go into what's sometined referred to as an escrow account resered to pay off future winners.
Allsimple, but very interesting, casino math.
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THANKS, TW, but for the sake of argument I gotta stand up and disagree with ya
if you think that any roulette dealer has some form of a "twitch" (for lack of a better word) that would cause the ball to tend to land on any section of the wheel.... I would have to take a stand and disagree.
By the way, I've argued this point many times with Peter G. and Keith (while Keith was alive) who both had similar ideas regarding the dealer's ability to control where that little roulette ball would land on that big roulette wheel.
Needless to say, I never could agree with either of them .... nor with anyone else who felt likewise.
It's humanly impossible to control where that ball will go, but stories to the contrary are more interesting and very popular among casino lore.
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One rule of thumb is never play wheels with 0 and 00. The addition of the 00 doubles the odds in favor of the house.
As Stunt says. The payout is pretty interesting. You start with $100, then over time will win about $90 and the house gets that $10. Then your base is now $90 and you play and end up wuith $81, the house ends up winning $9 making your base $81, then so on until your last $5 bet.
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MOS, You're basically, but not precisely correct about your bankroll getting smaller.
Even while playing Poker within a casino, the House will eventually get all the money over a long time period depending upon the size of the rake.
But it is definitely possible to win at any casino game over a short time period.
Casino winnings are 'mathmatical' but only become mathmatically precise over very long time periods. That's one of the reasons why casinos never close. The math will always be to their advantage over the long term
A gambler's best advantage is to gamble over short periods of time and never chase his loses.
Now if you want tolearn some really interesting shit, let's discuss the game of CRAPS.
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MOS, English wheels always have 36 numbers plus the "0" and the "00".
French wheels have 36 numbers but only one "0".
As far as I know, there are no roulette wheels with the 1 - 36 numbers only.
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You fuckin' troll, your 'advice' sucks like a hog. Everyone knows the crap you just spewed, so unless you know a few secrets to help me win at gambling, shut your mouth up. NOW GIVE ME A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS! I want the money, and I want it now boy! You can Paypal the cash to me, hehe.
As I said before, there are no secrets. You lost money and you're bitter and angry. Learn your lesson and it will be money well-spent.
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Real men dont try to tax people on an internet discussion board, hope this helps.
What do you know about being a real man?
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Are you saying that 'Jon' would suck an old indian beggars balls dry in exchange for free chinese lessons, GCD?
No, I wouldn't, 'cos I'm not like you, little one! ;D Now stop being a homo; you stink of it.
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As I said before, there are no secrets. You lost money and you're bitter and angry. Learn your lesson and it will be money well-spent.
Can you compensate me for the money I lost? It hurts like hell, so I would appreciate your help. A few grand from you would be like soothing balm for me.
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Fellows, I've just figured out some revolutionary new roulette systems! You bet either on 1-18, plus the 2nd 12 and 3rd 12, or 19-36, plus the 1st 12 and 2nd 12. You alternate between these two options. That way you win something every time. Why not try it out? I've given you just one idea; have fun experimenting with the various possibilities on the roulette board. There are free roulette sites online where you may try out my ideas. For example, you can also put money on either red or black, plus money on any column (or any two columns), on every spin. You can just alternate after each spin to attain maximum board coverage. These strategies don't work in the long run to accrue big bucks, and will probably even net you losses, but in the short term you can make a fistful of dollars.
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Can you compensate me for the money I lost? It hurts like hell, so I would appreciate your help. A few grand from you would be like soothing balm for me.
I'm not in the habit of compensating people for their own idiocy. But I will offer a suggestion: Perhaps you should recoup your losses by doing G4P - you seem to like playing with balls, so it would be right up your alley.
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I'm not in the habit of compensating people for their own idiocy. But I will offer a suggestion: Perhaps you should recoup your losses by doing G4P - you seem to like playing with balls, so it would be right up your alley.
Maybe I should conduct a robbery on you for the cash one of these days; an asshole like you seems to be asking for one. You're a tightass pennypincher, and probably as stingy as they come. Hehe, what are you to do when you get royally fucked one day? Yes, I admit I was foolish to gamble, but I'm not perfect, and am learning everyday. As for playing with balls, just because you're fond of it doesn't mean everybody is, so get your head straight on that. ;)
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MOS, You're basically, but not precisely correct about your bankroll getting smaller.
Even while playing Poker within a casino, the House will eventually get all the money over a long time period depending upon the size of the rake.
But it is definitely possible to win at any casino game over a short time period.
Casino winnings are 'mathmatical' but only become mathmatically precise over very long time periods. That's one of the reasons why casinos never close. The math will always be to their advantage over the long term
A gambler's best advantage is to gamble over short periods of time and never chase his loses.
Now if you want tolearn some really interesting shit, let's discuss the game of CRAPS.
Interesting posts you're making here, Stunt. Please do share your thoughts on craps.
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MOS, English wheels always have 36 numbers plus the "0" and the "00".
French wheels have 36 numbers but only one "0".
As far as I know, there are no roulette wheels with the 1 - 36 numbers only.
Always stick to European roulette: there's just one 'zero'.
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Maybe I should conduct a robbery on you for the cash one of these days; an asshole like you seems to be asking for one.
You could certainly try. It's a free country after all.
You're a tightass pennypincher, and probably as stingy as they come.
You sure seem to have a fascination with male asses.
Hehe, what are you to do when you get royally fucked one day?
If that happens, then you can be sure I won't go around on the Internet begging for sympathy and asking for help with playing roulette.
As for playing with balls, just because you're fond of it doesn't mean everybody is, so get your head straight on that. ;)
Ooh, such a witty comeback. Having lost the money, and by your own admission hurting, I figured you'd be all up to make a quick buck. Perhaps you aren't into G4P, but don't worry - it's only gay if you want it to be. And besides, you said you were looking for some "soothing balm" so the money shot should be an extra bonus for you. Two birds with one stone and whatnot.
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You could certainly try. It's a free country after all.
You sure seem to have a fascination with male asses.
If that happens, then you can be sure I won't go around on the Internet begging for sympathy and asking for help with playing roulette.
Ooh, such a witty comeback. Having lost the money, and by your own admission hurting, I figured you'd be all up to make a quick buck. Perhaps you aren't into G4P, but don't worry - it's only gay if you want it to be. And besides, you said you were looking for some "soothing balm" so the money shot should be an extra bonus for you. Two birds with one stone and whatnot.
Did you perchance make your money in G4P? I'm just wondering because you seem to relish it. Now send me all your money at once, just because I say so. Maybe you can try to figure out a workable gambling strategy as you'll need it for sure after I clean you out of your life savings, hehe.
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JACK T, Unless JON objects, I’ll offer some interesting facts about the game of casino craps starting with the major equipment used in the game.
Some of you get biggers may find the following info regarding casino dice to be of interest
The following is a cut and paste job in my effort to save time which I’ll eventually follow up with the best way to play the game if anyone is really interested.
I say “play the game” instead of “win the game” because even if you learn to play like an expert, there is no assurance that you’ll leave the table as a winner .
The only thing that I can guarantee is that you’ll lose less over the long term if you understand the game and play it wisely.
So to start off …. Here are ome facts regarding casino dice ……
Casinos don't take any chances when it comes to profit so they don't use just any dice when thousands of dollars are riding on a roll.
Casino dice are called perfect or precision dice because of the way they are made.
They are as close to being perfect true cubes as possible, measured to within a fraction of a millimetre, manufactured so each die has an absolutely equal chance of landing on any one of its six faces.
Casino dice are specially hand made to within a tolerance of 0.0005 of an inch. The spots are drilled and filled with material that is equal in weight to the material removed. Usually sides are flush and edges sharp. They are predominantly transparent red but can come in other colours like green, purple or blue. Spots are usually solid but a number of different designs can be found.
It is believed all casino dice should have the same conventional arrangement of faces and spots. They're right handed so that if the 1-spot is face up and the 2-spot is turned to face the left then the 3-spot is to the right of it with all opposing sides adding up to 7. If the 1-spot is face up then the 3-spot runs diagonally up from the left and the 2-spot runs diagonally down from the left. A different orientation of the spots is sometimes used on crooked dice (made to look like casino dice) so a cheat can differentiate them from a set of straight dice.
Since the 1970s, and the move to corporate owned casinos, it has become more and more common for casino dice to have serial numbers printed on them. The number is 3 or 4 numeric digits, possibly with letters and dashes, usually printed on the 6-spot but can be found on any face except the 1-spot. This number denotes the issue and is used to prevent them being switched for crooked dice. Another security check sometimes used is having key letters printed on the underneath of spots which can only be viewed by looking through the transparent die. The casino's name, sometimes location, and/or logo will often be printed on the dice too using a metallic foil. The 1-spot usually bares the casino's name while the 2-spot may have the logo.
The most common size today is 3/4 inch but the size can vary with 5/8 inch and 11/16 inch the next most common sizes.
Casino dice were made of cellulose nitrate, starting around the 1920s, but sometime around the 1950s the manufacturers switched to cellulose acetate which is more durable. Very old casino dice have often started to crystallise and will have turned yellowish around the edges. This crystallisation is caused by age and exposure to moisture and ultra-violet light. A completely crystallised die will disintegrate if pressure is applied.
Casino dice can be readily bought. However, many cheap casino dice are in fact rejects that haven't met the manufacturers standards or used dice that have been cancelled by their casino. Both rejects and used dice will have been defaced in some way.
Manufacturers call rejects culls. These are factory marked with a hot pin in the centre of the 4-spot or hot stamped with a number of 'X' or star symbols or just simply stamped with the word "VOID". Some manufacturers stamp a gold "O" onto the four spot.
Used dice may be bought as souvenirs from many casinos although some refuse to let them go. When a die is taken out of play it will be cancelled. It could be that a hole is drilled through it or a crescent or circle is pressed into one side with a vice.
Sometimes a gold bar is hot stamped on the six-spot. A sharp pointed metal scribe is often used to press a small shallow mark into a face. Some older dice were scratched or had a date or initials marked on them. By state law Atlantic City casinos must drill all the way through their used dice.
If you want true perfect dice then pay the extra for a stick. A stick is a number of dice that are still in their sealed pack as delivered by the manufacturer.
That's more than you need to know to play the game .... but it's a decent start.
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Get off roulette house has to big advantage... If you enjoy the game play it for entertainment, if your there to make $ head to the sports book or craps table best odds, that's why you don't get comps at the sports book even if you betting 10k through out the day. Ive seen it done at blackjack that prob be my 3rd choice and the system there bet whatever your bet is and half of what you win as soon as you lose you go back to your initial bet. The cards roll for you and against you, so when your winning your leveraging your profits to make more profits and when there rolling against you you have your min bet out... I've also done it in pi-gow you have to have the fortune bonus avail some games have it and some not, and the idea there is 25% of what in the main circle goes in the fortune bonus circle. Ex if your bet is 200 in main circle ud put another 50 in the fortune bonus circle for total of 250 in play. If u hit 4 of kind which happen more than u think the fortune bonus pays 1250. Also what's cool about that game is your $ last longer cause u have to win both hands so u push alot...
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JACK T, Unless JON objects, I’ll offer some interesting facts about the game of casino craps starting with the major equipment used in the game.
Some of you get biggers may find the following info regarding casino dice to be of interest
The following is a cut and paste job in my effort to save time which I’ll eventually follow up with the best way to play the game if anyone is really interested.
I say “play the game” instead of “win the game” because even if you learn to play like an expert, there is no assurance that you’ll leave the table as a winner .
The only thing that I can guarantee is that you’ll lose less over the long term if you understand the game and play it wisely.
So to start off …. Here are ome facts regarding casino dice ……
Casinos don't take any chances when it comes to profit so they don't use just any dice when thousands of dollars are riding on a roll.
Casino dice are called perfect or precision dice because of the way they are made.
They are as close to being perfect true cubes as possible, measured to within a fraction of a millimetre, manufactured so each die has an absolutely equal chance of landing on any one of its six faces.
Casino dice are specially hand made to within a tolerance of 0.0005 of an inch. The spots are drilled and filled with material that is equal in weight to the material removed. Usually sides are flush and edges sharp. They are predominantly transparent red but can come in other colours like green, purple or blue. Spots are usually solid but a number of different designs can be found.
It is believed all casino dice should have the same conventional arrangement of faces and spots. They're right handed so that if the 1-spot is face up and the 2-spot is turned to face the left then the 3-spot is to the right of it with all opposing sides adding up to 7. If the 1-spot is face up then the 3-spot runs diagonally up from the left and the 2-spot runs diagonally down from the left. A different orientation of the spots is sometimes used on crooked dice (made to look like casino dice) so a cheat can differentiate them from a set of straight dice.
Since the 1970s, and the move to corporate owned casinos, it has become more and more common for casino dice to have serial numbers printed on them. The number is 3 or 4 numeric digits, possibly with letters and dashes, usually printed on the 6-spot but can be found on any face except the 1-spot. This number denotes the issue and is used to prevent them being switched for crooked dice. Another security check sometimes used is having key letters printed on the underneath of spots which can only be viewed by looking through the transparent die. The casino's name, sometimes location, and/or logo will often be printed on the dice too using a metallic foil. The 1-spot usually bares the casino's name while the 2-spot may have the logo.
The most common size today is 3/4 inch but the size can vary with 5/8 inch and 11/16 inch the next most common sizes.
Casino dice were made of cellulose nitrate, starting around the 1920s, but sometime around the 1950s the manufacturers switched to cellulose acetate which is more durable. Very old casino dice have often started to crystallise and will have turned yellowish around the edges. This crystallisation is caused by age and exposure to moisture and ultra-violet light. A completely crystallised die will disintegrate if pressure is applied.
Casino dice can be readily bought. However, many cheap casino dice are in fact rejects that haven't met the manufacturers standards or used dice that have been cancelled by their casino. Both rejects and used dice will have been defaced in some way.
Manufacturers call rejects culls. These are factory marked with a hot pin in the centre of the 4-spot or hot stamped with a number of 'X' or star symbols or just simply stamped with the word "VOID". Some manufacturers stamp a gold "O" onto the four spot.
Used dice may be bought as souvenirs from many casinos although some refuse to let them go. When a die is taken out of play it will be cancelled. It could be that a hole is drilled through it or a crescent or circle is pressed into one side with a vice.
Sometimes a gold bar is hot stamped on the six-spot. A sharp pointed metal scribe is often used to press a small shallow mark into a face. Some older dice were scratched or had a date or initials marked on them. By state law Atlantic City casinos must drill all the way through their used dice.
If you want true perfect dice then pay the extra for a stick. A stick is a number of dice that are still in their sealed pack as delivered by the manufacturer.
That's more than you need to know to play the game .... but it's a decent start.
Great post.
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Get off roulette house has to big advantage... If you enjoy the game play it for entertainment, if your there to make $ head to the sports book or craps table best odds, that's why you don't get comps at the sports book even if you betting 10k through out the day. Ive seen it done at blackjack that prob be my 3rd choice and the system there bet whatever your bet is and half of what you win as soon as you lose you go back to your initial bet. The cards roll for you and against you, so when your winning your leveraging your profits to make more profits and when there rolling against you you have your min bet out... I've also done it in pi-gow you have to have the fortune bonus avail some games have it and some not, and the idea there is 25% of what in the main circle goes in the fortune bonus circle. Ex if your bet is 200 in main circle ud put another 50 in the fortune bonus circle for total of 250 in play. If u hit 4 of kind which happen more than u think the fortune bonus pays 1250. Also what's cool about that game is your $ last longer cause u have to win both hands so u push alot...
I must say sports betting has its lures since I can predict some soccer and NBA results with great accuracy. For example, the San Antonio Spurs win most of their home games.
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JON, I'm not much of a sports' bettor but I can tell you that it's not a simple matter of merely picking the winning team because you also have to pick the winning team and the point spread.
The experts who set the line (POINT SPREAD) here in Vegas set it so that there will be an even number of bettors placing an even amount of bets on either team.
Thereby ..... there's enough cash in the bank to pay off the winners through the losers.
If too many betters are betting on Team "A", they can change the point spread to persuade bettors to place a bet on Team "B" in an effort to keep the bets on both teams equal.
The casino profit comes from that extra dollar you have to pay when you make your bet.
Any correction to the above would be appreciated.
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gambling is a sign of stupidity
unless you are good at winning
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POB, Here in LV you do get comps while placing bets in a Sports Book, These sport book comps are usually drink coupons but most casinos keep track of their gambling customers and send them damn impressive comps through the mail each month.
I'm not a big gambler by any means but I still receive enough free stuff offers from about six major LV casinos each and every month.
just this past month this 'free stuff' consisted of the following 'free stuff'.
a. One daily pull on the Multi-Million Dollar slot machine (MEGA BUCKS -$12,700,000 and climbing).
b.. Over $400 slot machine free-play spread out over the month of April.
c. $100+ free bets at various table games.
d. About two free buffets each week.
e. Free hats, T-shirts, toasters, mugs, umbrellas., etc
f. Three night hotel room stay.
g. Numerous free shows.
So a lot of the comps that the casinos offer its players are never seen unless you are the person receiving these comped offers through the mail.
And sports betters receive the same.
I receive stacks of these free stuff offers through the mail each month and it takes all my free time to take advantage of each and every one.
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JON, I'm not much of a sports' bettor but I can tell you that it's not a simple matter of picking the winning team because you also have to pick the winning team and the point spread.
The experts who set the line (POINT SPREAD) here in Vegas set it so that there will be an even number of bettors placing an even amount of bets on either team.
Thereby ..... there's enough cash in the bank to pay off the winners through the losers.
If too many betters are betting on Team "A", they can change the point spread to persuade bettors to place a bet on Team "B" in an effort to keep the bets on both teams equal.
The casino profit comes from that extra dollar you have to pay when you make your bet.
Any correction to the above would be appreciated.
Yes, you're right in that there's an option to bet with the points spread at better odds obviously, but if you're unsure if your team can cover the spread, it's definitely safer and better to simply pick the winner at lower odds. These are for bookmakers, not casinos.
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lol people thinking they can beat the casino's still...it is rigged against you idiots. There is no way to beat it unless you cheat, and you will get caught eventually if you let greed take over because greed is a very powerful thing, long run you lose money, cheat for short while you gain it, but have to stop before you get caught.
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REP, Explain some of these cheating methods if you will.
And ...... Most people find lots of entertainment in casino games. And not all of them are 'idiots'.
But I do see a lot of 'stupidity' among a good number of intelligent people who place a lot of hard earned cash at risk without knowing anything about the game they're sitting at.
And I also assume some players are stupid when they chase their losses .... but sometimes even those individuals turn it all around and walk out winners.
The real stupid ones play the games that give the House the big advantage.
I hope to explain that "House Advantage" or "House Edge" next.
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Always bet on black! (no racist)
x2
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A real gambler’s definition of HOUSE EDGE is long and complicated but to make it simple ....... it merely shows you what percentage of your gambling dollar the casino expects to win each time the cards are delt or each time the dice are rolled, etc.
So it’s to a player’s advantage to only play those casino games in which the House Edge is at its lowest.
Here are the House Edges for the most popular casino games ..... excluding sports betting and poker and the slot machines.
Blackjack 0.75% if played correctly (This means that the player can assume that for every $10 wager he makes …. he will lose 7.5 cents on the average.
Baccarrat 1.2%
Craps 1.58%
Casino War 2.87%
Single “0” Roulette 2.6%
Double “0” Roulette 5.26%
Big Wheel 11 – 24%
Keno 25 – 29%
So most intelligent players play Blackjack, Baccarat , and Craps because those games have lower House Edge percentages than the other casino games ..... which makes the possibility of winning somewhat easier.
Next up .... Basic Strategy for Blackjack.
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A real gambler’s definition of HOUSE EDGE id long and complicated but to make it simpler ....... it merely shows you what percentage of your gambling dollar the casino expects to win each time the cards are delt or each time the dice are rolled, etc.
So it’s to a player’s advantage to only play those casino games in which the House Edge is at its lowest.
Here are the House Edges for the most popular casino games ..... excluding sports betting and poker and the slot machines.
Blackjack 0.75% if played correctly (This means that the player can assume that for every $10 wager he makes …. he will lose 7.5 cents on the average.
Baccarrat 1.2%
Craps 1.58%
Casino War 2.87%
Single “0” Roulette 2.6%
Double “0” Roulette 5.26%
Big Wheel 11 – 24%
Keno 25 – 29%
So most intelligent players play Blackjack, Baccarat , and Craps because those games have lower House Edge percentages than the other casino games ..... which makes the possibility of winning somewhat easier.
Next up .... Basic Strategy for Blackjack.
Ergo. the house always wins, especially in the long run.
Go play poker, at least then you're playing people instead of the system.
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My Casino game of choice is Blackjack because it offers the lowest House Edge and I know the game perfectly and when to hit and when to stay
And I honestly can’t recall the last time I left a casino as a loser after a Blackjack session.
I haven’t lost due to the fact that I set limits and know the game as well as any expert, but the main reason is that … I don’t get greedy.
I most always pack it up and head off to the casino cage whenever I double my bankroll.
When “greed” enters the game is always downhill financially from that point on.
But I always have to FORCE MYSELF to leave the table because the game and the commoradity among the other playes is so damn enjoyable.
So if you decide to play Blackjack …. You should definitely be an expert at BASIC STRATEGY,
And that simply means that you gotta know when to hit, and when to stay, and when to double down, and sometimes even when to surrender.
So here’s some BASIC STRATEGY information (assuming that you already understand how the game is played).
If the dealer’s up-card is a 2 or a 3 ……,, Always stand if you are holding a 13 or more
If the dealer’s up-card is 4, 5, or 6 ……,, Always stand if you are holding a 12 or more.
If the dealer’s up-card is anything else …. Always hit till you reach 17 and then stand.
There’s more but you gotta digest that first.
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PIZZACAT .... Yep the house will always win over the long term but strange things happen to that House Edge over short term periods when casino gamblers actually win.
ANd some manage to win a shit load of greenbacks.
I'm a cheap assed gambler and usually buy in with $30 at a $3 BJ table and always force myself to quit when I double my bankroll.
I have my ups and downs but within 60 minutes or so I reach my goal and force myself to head off to the cashier cage to convert my chips.
I do my best to avoid the greed factor and be satisfied with my small winnings.
So far its been working well.
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there is no method you nerd, just quit while your up.
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What kind of regulation is with these online poker/etc games? Seems to me that these would be the easiest for the house to cheat. Putting your hard earned money against a computer program just doesn't sit well. Esp/since most if not all are off shore.
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there is no method you nerd, just quit while your up.
Hehe, I think I've just discovered a shocking new method. Should I spill the beans here? Or should I charge a heavy fee?
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My Casino game of choice is Blackjack because it offers the lowest House Edge and I know the game perfectly and when to hit and when to stay
And I honestly can’t recall the last time I left a casino as a loser after a Blackjack session.
I haven’t lost due to the fact that I set limits and know the game as well as any expert, but the main reason is that … I don’t get greedy.
I most always pack it up and head off to the casino cage whenever I double my bankroll.
When “greed” enters the game is always downhill financially from that point on.
But I always have to FORCE MYSELF to leave the table because the game and the commoradity among the other playes is so damn enjoyable.
So if you decide to play Blackjack …. You should definitely be an expert at BASIC STRATEGY,
And that simply means that you gotta know when to hit, and when to stay, and when to double down, and sometimes even when to surrender.
So here’s some BASIC STRATEGY information (assuming that you already understand how the game is played).
If the dealer’s up-card is a 2 or a 3 ……,, Always stand if you are holding a 13 or more
If the dealer’s up-card is 4, 5, or 6 ……,, Always stand if you are holding a 12 or more.
If the dealer’s up-card is anything else …. Always hit till you reach 17 and then stand.
There’s more but you gotta digest that first.
What do you think of the strategy of standing on any hard total of 12 or higher? Isn't that the best strategy not to bust, and to take your chances, in the long term? Even if you hit and escape busting, that may still be less than the dealer's total (if he doesn't bust, that is)! Maybe an exception is to hit on 12, but on no more than that (like say 13 even), for even that is risky. Of course, you should stand on any soft total of 20 or higher. Doubling or taking insurance in the long run aren't worth it either.
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Has anybody cracked the code to roulette? I've lost thousands gambling online, and need to recoup my losses. Sadly the Martingale system doesn't work as the unpredictable streaks in roulette can leave you lying flat.
"Zero" and "double zero" were added to Las vegas roulette wheels to counter martingale systems...
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"Zero" and "double zero" were added to Las vegas roulette wheels to counter martingale systems...
That's why I only play European roulette: there's no "double zero".
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JON, your idea of standing on any Blackjack hand of 12 or higher is a well known and somewhat common System and is often referred to as “The System of Fools” or the system which beginners use because they just don’t know better, or possibly even how to play the game.
I won’t go into the complete details but it’s been analyzed statistically by the experts and proven to be a very dumb way to play Blackjack if you want to make a profit.
If I can find that report, I’ll do my best to post it here.
And DOOUBLING DOWN is most definitely to your advantage but definitely depends on what the dealer’s up-card happens to be.
But taking Insurance is not to your advantage.
If you doubt the above, sit at a table and use that strategy and the experienced players will definitely feel sorry for you and start offering helpful suggestions..
It may work a couple of times but in the long run it’s worthless.
ABDOMINAL, I can’t answer your question about the regulations of on-line gambling because I never gamble on line.
In fact I almost never gamble against any machine here in LV either unless it happens to be a slot machine that I know is LOOSE.
Here in Vegas you can now play Craps and Roulette while sitting at a machine and I only do so when they first come out but just for a few minutes to see how they work.
I don’t think that they are rigged in the casino’s favor other than the fact that somehow the House Edge is ‘built in”, but since I can’t quite figure them out …. I avoid them.
As far as on-line gambling goes …. It would be too easy to adjust the odds against the player so I have no interest in on-line gambling either.
I like to play the game when and where I can either cuss or tip the dealer.
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JON, your idea of standing on any Blackjack hand of 12 or higher is a well known and somewhat common System and is often referred to as “The System of Fools” or the system which beginners use because they just don’t know better, or possibly even how to play the game.
I won’t go into the complete details but it’s been analyzed statistically by the experts and proven to be a very dumb way to play the Blackjack if you want to make a profit.
If I can find that report, I’ll do my best to post it here.
And DOOUBLING DOWN is most definitely to your advantage but definitely depends on what the dealer’s up-card happens to be.
But taking Insurance is not to your advantage.
If you doubt the above, sit at a table and use that strategy and the experienced players will definitely feel sorry for you and start offering helpful suggestions..
It may work a couple of times but in the long run it’s worthless.
ABDOMINAL, I can’t answer your question about the regulations of on-line gambling because I never gamble on line.
In fact I almost never gamble against any machine here in LV either unless it happens to be a slot machine that I know is LOOSE.
Here in Vegas you can now play Craps and Roulette while sitting at a machine and I only do so when they first come out but just for a few minutes to see how they work.
I don’t think that they are rigged in the casino’s favor other than the fact that somehow the House Edge is ‘built in”, but since I can’t quite figure them out …. I avoid them.
As far as on-line gambling goes …. It would be too easy to adjust the odds against the player so I have no interest in on-line gambling either.
I like to play the game when and where I can either cuss or tip the dealer.
Remember that most casinos now have auto shufflers that they continously feed. So most of the odds are skewed because you never know how a deck is stacked one way or another. Unless you are playing single deck blackjack most of the times it is a suckers game.
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What kind of regulation is with these online poker/etc games? Seems to me that these would be the easiest for the house to cheat. Putting your hard earned money against a computer program just doesn't sit well. Esp/since most if not all are off shore.
NONE. Most of ran out of warehouses on Indian land to evade the law. There have been big busts lately where some poker sites had super user accounts where they can see your hands and bet accordingly. One dude ran the stats and figured that there is no way someone should be winning the way certain accounts did and then the FBI stepped in and investigate and found they fucked people out of Millions.
Another thing is that these sites are supposed to carry enough money to pay out what people have in their accounts. They found that the sites were taking that money and distributing it amongst themselves and that they didn't even have enough money to cover.
Shady shit.
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Good info, Stunt. Next time I'm in town, I'll want a walk-around. Might save me a few less tears. ;D
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The best approach to gambling is to set up a gambling-budget for the weekend in Vegas or wherever and consider that money to be lost before you even begin. Gambling against the house is entertainment and nothing else. The same way you'd pay 10 bucks to go to the cinemas you'd also "pay" x amount of money to gamble for a y amount of time. Only "pay" the amount of money you can comfortably afford. Would you blow your life savings on any other entertainment than gambling? Probably not, so always keep that in the back of your head. Any profit is pure bonus and should never be considered as a part of a "good streak".
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Why don't you guys stick to a game like Texas Hold'em Poker?
Typically, when I sit and play this game in a casino, I can calculate my odds of winning starting soon after receiving my 2 cards and more precisely upon viewing the flop.
If you play wisely and don't get trigger happy, you can actually make money in this game.
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Also the dealer controlling the roulette wheel has some influence on where the ball will land.
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Add up all the numbers on a roulette wheel and you get 666 Sign of the Devil or just a coincidence?
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you bet on a color, the same one every time
you bet double or nothing
you double the amount you bet each time
you bet until you win
everything you lost in previous bets will then be recovered as you win.
you win.
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probably has a patern.. everything has a patern.
i wish i was a maths genius :'(
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The best approach to gambling is to set up a gambling-budget for the weekend in Vegas or wherever and consider that money to be lost before you even begin. Gambling against the house is entertainment and nothing else. The same way you'd pay 10 bucks to go to the cinemas you'd also "pay" x amount of money to gamble for a y amount of time. Only "pay" the amount of money you can comfortably afford. Would you blow your life savings on any other entertainment than gambling? Probably not, so always keep that in the back of your head. Any profit is pure bonus and should never be considered as a part of a "good streak".
I'd say the best bet is not to gamble unless you're into sports betting. That's a different matter altogether as profits can be made there.
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I'd say that LOVEMONKEY is pretty damn precise and accurate and I've never seen any Dealer who could control where the ball would land.
But ...... I have heard such stories from individuals who have never seen it either.
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BRAD, Simply study THE THEORY OF PROBABILITY.
But I can save you thousands of hours boring reading by simply telling you that that "PATTERN" which you seek takes a countless number of hours to materialize.
As a start, I suggest you flip a coin 1oo times and give count to the number of hrads and tails.It should be something like 52/48 .... but do it many millions of times and it should even out to 50/50.
Accept that as lesson one.
You'e welcome!
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JON, your idea of standing on any Blackjack hand of 12 or higher is a well known and somewhat common System and is often referred to as “The System of Fools” or the system which beginners use because they just don’t know better, or possibly even how to play the game.
I won’t go into the complete details but it’s been analyzed statistically by the experts and proven to be a very dumb way to play Blackjack if you want to make a profit.
If I can find that report, I’ll do my best to post it here.
And DOOUBLING DOWN is most definitely to your advantage but definitely depends on what the dealer’s up-card happens to be.
But taking Insurance is not to your advantage.
If you doubt the above, sit at a table and use that strategy and the experienced players will definitely feel sorry for you and start offering helpful suggestions..
It may work a couple of times but in the long run it’s worthless.
ABDOMINAL, I can’t answer your question about the regulations of on-line gambling because I never gamble on line.
In fact I almost never gamble against any machine here in LV either unless it happens to be a slot machine that I know is LOOSE.
Here in Vegas you can now play Craps and Roulette while sitting at a machine and I only do so when they first come out but just for a few minutes to see how they work.
I don’t think that they are rigged in the casino’s favor other than the fact that somehow the House Edge is ‘built in”, but since I can’t quite figure them out …. I avoid them.
As far as on-line gambling goes …. It would be too easy to adjust the odds against the player so I have no interest in on-line gambling either.
I like to play the game when and where I can either cuss or tip the dealer.
Are you so sure "The System of Fools" is really that? I know what the prescribed strategies are, and perhaps the conventional wisdom is wrong on this one. How many times will that save you from busting, if you think about it? I mean, is it wise to allow yourself to go bust when the dealer's total might just be the one to do so, especially if your total after hitting on 12 or above turns out to be less than the dealer's anyway? If you can't win with that system, maybe it's just that the dealer has too big of an advantage instead of the issue being with your playing skills! I suppose you know not any system for playing (and beating) roulette too. If you observe the game of roulette, you'll know that it's a game of streaks (like 7 Reds or 6 Blacks on the spin). Why not simply bet with the streaks and lose only when they end?
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BRAD, Simply study THE THEORY OF PROBABILITY.
But I can save you thousands of hours boring reading by simply telling you that that "PATTERN" which you seek takes a countless number of hours to materialize.
As a start, I suggest you flip a coin 1oo times and give count to the number of hrads and tails.It should be something like 52/48 .... but do it many millions of times and it should even out to 50/50.
Accept that as lesson one.
You'e welcome!
If you're to study the roulette board carefully plus the number patterns that come up, don't tell me you can't work out a long term strategy to defeat the stubborn game of roulette! Where're the maths geniuses, I wonder?
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lol bunch of addicted gamblers in this thread, btw you will always lose, your greed will get you.
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lol bunch of addicted gamblers in this thread, btw you will always lose, your greed will get you.
There are no addicts here; I'm just trying to find a way to win. People who say you will always lose and that greed will overtake you make me all the more determined to find victory.
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I cracked one off after playing it online.
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JON, Many have tried but you can't work out a long term strategy to defeat the stubborn game of roulette!
If you devise a roulette system to the contrary or discover some math genius who has, I would suggest you give it a try and I would hopr you'd become millionars in the process.
But 50 years ago no one realized that todays computers or cell phones would ever br possible (except Dick Tracy), so I'd hate to discourage you from finding a roulette system that no one has discovered as of this date.
There is an occasion in which the Monte Carlo Casino lost a lot of money to a player due to the fact that the wheel was biased which favored a particular section of the roulette wheel .... and to this day many gamblers can be seen keeping records in three man shifts in an attempt to find a biased wheel.
And for you get biggers who simply suggest betting on red constantly, you have to realize that there 18 red spots where you can win and 20 other spots where you will lose.
Plus if you double up on your losing bets, you could reach the table limit and thereby lose it all.
JON, if you discover a real winning system for any casino game,please allow me to purchase an interest before you go public.
Good try, guys! But nothing original regarding casino systems has veen stated here .
But some books have been published on the very systems some of you gey-biggers have mentionede.
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It's great to see some of you Getbiggers contemplating thr 'Impossible" ...
Because what's impossible today is often the reality of tomorrow,
So don't let me discourage you.
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Here's some encouragement.
In 1873, Joseph Jagger gained the Monte Carlo casino great publicity by "breaking the bank at Monte Carlo" by discovering and capitalizing on a bias in one of the casino's roulette wheels. Technically, the bank in this sense was the money kept on the table by the croupier. According to an article in The Times in the late 19th century, it was thus possible to "break the bank" several times. The 1892 song The Man that Broke the Bank at Monte Carlo, made famous by Charles Coburns, was probably inspired by the exploits of Charles Wells, who "broke the bank" on many occasions on the first two of his three trips.
According to the book Busting Vegas by Ben Mezrich, a team of blackjack players recruited from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology by team-leader Victor Cassius attempted to break the bank at Monte Carlo with the assistance of a team-play-based system. The book describes how the management of Monte Carlo responded to the progress of the team, whose members included Semyon Dukach and others mentioned by aliases.
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It's great to see some of you Getbiggers contemplating thr 'Impossible" ...
Because what's impossible today is often the reality of tomorrow,
So don't let me discourage you.
The code has apparently been cracked (by old Samuel Fisher)! Now does anyone have the cash for this? ;D
http://www.silverthornepublications.net/FRS/
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You certainly haven't cracked the code, nor will you ever. If someone had the code, the casinos would be out of business. Remember the house never loses.
Get out while you're only down a few thousand.
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You certainly haven't cracked the code, nor will you ever. If someone had the code, the casinos would be out of business. Remember the house never loses.
Get out while you're only down a few thousand.
That's sound advice; I've only lost a few thousand, and don't intend on losing more. But you never know what an analytical mind can come up with. Never say never! If I crack the code, not only will my losses be wiped out, but I will also be a rich man! Don't forget, many professional gamblers have already cracked the code as has old Samuel Fisher.
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That's sound advice; I've only lost a few thousand, and don't intend on losing more. But you never know what an analytical mind can come up with. Never say never! If I crack the code, not only will my losses be wiped out, but I will also be a rich man!
Until you find a system to work it Jon, play it on paper. Try different methodologies and see the probability of winning with your system in mind. But always keep in mind, the house is always - always rigged.
There are better odds in sports betting than roulette. I paid 1/3 of my undergrad tuition with it. I only bet on hockey 2 months before playoffs (and playoffs). I lost for a few months straight with the occasional win, before i started winning consistently and habitually. Look into that, you will have more favorable terms. Pick your favorite sport.
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Until you find a system to work it Jon, play it on paper. Try different methodologies and see the probability of winning with your system in mind. But always keep in mind, the house is always - always rigged.
There are better odds in sports betting than roulette. I paid 1/3 of my undergrad tuition with it. I only bet on hockey 2 months before playoffs (and playoffs). I lost for a few months straight with the occasional win, before i started winning consistently and habitually. Look into that, you will have more favorable terms. Pick your favorite sport.
I'm currently trying out my theories at free play online casinos. So far it's been tough going, but at least it gives me a realistic shot as to what to expect during real play. Until I find a workable system (if I ever do), I won't gamble. It's better to keep my dollars, after all! Sports betting is great, and at least there's no rigged casino software to worry about. For example, I picked the San Antonio Spurs to beat Portland just now at low odds of 1.05, and as slim as the pickings were, I was right. Why not try betting on the horses as well? You get better odds there than on conventional hockey matches.
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JON,That SAm system is $100. I'm in for $10 if you can get others to pony the rest.
Have it mailed to you and then you mail copies to the rest of us.
It might be interesting reading but it appears to be another effort to make money because his system got him broke enough to sell it on the internet.
But I'll bite if you want to folloow through.
I'm all for 10.
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JON,That SAm system is $100. I'm in for $10 if you can get others to pony the rest.
Have it mailed to you and then you mail copies to the rest of us.
It might be interesting reading but it appears to be another effort to make money because his system got him broke enough to sell it on the internet.
But I'll bite if you want to folloow through.
I'm all for 10.
Thanks for the offer, but I think it's a scam. It just sounds too good to be true. Anyone with too much cash can buy it and be the next casino millionaire, I suppose!
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What does everyone think of this "Win Line" system? It sure looks good! :P Free money, anyone?
http://www.playhard.co.uk/winning-roulette-system.php
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Roulette is terrible worst odds and impossible to use a system or even cheat for that matter. Stick to Blackjack or even hold em if you can read people.
Hahaha exactly.
And even the best blackjack players have to play for hours to get a little bit ahead.
They don't build casinos to give away money. How do you think they pay for the lights. ;D
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Hahaha exactly.
And even the best blackjack players have to play for hours to get a little bit ahead.
They don't build casinos to give away money. How do you think they pay for the lights. ;D
The system above will change your mind, though obviously the casinos do enjoy a massive advantage. Why not give it a shot at a free play online casino or free roulette site with fun money? With the cash you make once you've gotten the system down pat, you can send me a sizeable donation to show your appreciation/thanks!
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I cracked one off after playing it online.
A winner every time!
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take a gun into the BP station
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I'm currently trying out my theories at free play online casinos. So far it's been tough going, but at least it gives me a realistic shot as to what to expect during real play. Until I find a workable system (if I ever do), I won't gamble. It's better to keep my dollars, after all! Sports betting is great, and at least there's no rigged casino software to worry about. For example, I picked the San Antonio Spurs to beat Portland just now at low odds of 1.05, and as slim as the pickings were, I was right. Why not try betting on the horses as well? You get better odds there than on conventional hockey matches.
online vs, the physical game are two worlds apart. Online is a random number generator, physical is far from being random.
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The system above will change your mind, though obviously the casinos do enjoy a massive advantage. Why not give it a shot at a free play online casino or free roulette site with fun money? With the cash you make once you've gotten the system down pat, you can send me a sizeable donation to show your appreciation/thanks!
Yeah right.
Come back and tell everyone when you've become a millionaire.
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I'd say that LOVEMONKEY is pretty damn precise and accurate and I've never seen any Dealer who could control where the ball would land.
But ...... I have heard such stories from individuals who have never seen it either.
Have you ever seen a guy juggle with 20 balls? I'm not saying they can pick the exact number but they can pick an area of about 10 numbers and hit it in that area any time they want.
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online vs, the physical game are two worlds apart. Online is a random number generator, physical is far from being random.
The more precisely made the roulette wheel, the more random it is.
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Ab, I'm a skeptic when it comes to your most recent statement regarding a dealer's ability
to hit any range of adjoining numbers consistently on a roulette wheel.
But I've never seen it done nor have I never seen it 'not done' so there is always that possibility .... but I'd have to see it myself to agree with ya.
Has there ever been some kind of dealer's contest that would award some form of prize to any dealer who was capable of doing so?
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May 23, 2009 .... Patricia Demauro set a new record for the longest craps roll, hanging on for fourhours and 18 minutes at the Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa. Borgata officials say shebeat the previous record by one hour and 12 minutes. They say Stanley Fujitake ofHonolulu, set that record nearly 20 years ago in Las Vegas. "This was only my secondtime playing craps, so this was very exciting for me to be a part of history," saysDemauro, who lives in Denville in northern New Jersey.
She won $18,000.
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Has anyone seen this?
The oldest operating casino in Vegas is the Golden Gate, and this classic hotel recently took its biggest bet ever as part of a taping of “The Buried Life,” a reality show on MTV.
The cast of “The Buried Life,” which follows four friends on a quest to complete their list of “100 things to do before you die,” bet $125,000 on roulette and won, then let it ride.
The $250,000 was bet on black, but Lady Luck didn’t smile on the “Buried Life” guys, unfortunately.
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Has anyone seen this?
The oldest operating casino in Vegas is the Golden Gate, and this classic hotel recently took its biggest bet ever as part of a taping of “The Buried Life,” a reality show on MTV.
The cast of “The Buried Life,” which follows four friends on a quest to complete their list of “100 things to do before you die,” bet $125,000 on roulette and won, then let it ride.
The $250,000 was bet on black, but Lady Luck didn’t smile on the “Buried Life” guys, unfortunately.
Take the $125k winnings and go eat a hotdog. Man, silliness.
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Yeah right.
Come back and tell everyone when you've become a millionaire.
You haven't given it a shot so how do you know? Try a free online casino at least first.
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Has anyone seen this?
The oldest operating casino in Vegas is the Golden Gate, and this classic hotel recently took its biggest bet ever as part of a taping of “The Buried Life,” a reality show on MTV.
The cast of “The Buried Life,” which follows four friends on a quest to complete their list of “100 things to do before you die,” bet $125,000 on roulette and won, then let it ride.
The $250,000 was bet on black, but Lady Luck didn’t smile on the “Buried Life” guys, unfortunately.
They were really stupid to bet the 125,000 in the first place and ABSOLUTELY MORONIC to then 'let it ride' after ALREADY winning! They were complete and utter fools as Lady Luck (as you say) had already smiled on them with the 125,000 bet! If they wanted to bet again, they could have bet only their 125,0000 winnings (effectively repeating the bet thus) for a measure of safety.
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What does everyone think of this "Win Line" system? It sure looks good! :P Free money, anyone?
http://www.playhard.co.uk/winning-roulette-system.php
Have you tried this system yet, stuntmovie? You can make a killing with it!
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you cannot crack the code, because there isnt one.
the house wins by default, because of the odds are always in the houses favour.its rigged from the get go.
you can only win by luck.
or by manipulating the thing irl(not online), but that is a criminal offense.
there are devices out there, some work some dont, but good luck with that.
and,LOL, as for online, how can anyone think online roulette is not rigged even more? :o
yes, these little ebooks which have some way to win, they are sold by the casinos themselves,lol.
they make you win some amount that cant even be paid out and then once you invest bit of own money, the winning streak suddenly goes away.
same with poker etc.
See the system above to defeat the house advantage; the code, I believe has been cracked! Try it for yourself at a fun money roulette site or in real life with small stakes. Of course, you've to know when to bet on which colour as well.
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Jon, there is no way to beat the casino, that is why they stay in business. How many casino's have gone out of business because the people have won and made them file for bankruptcy lately? A casino is a well oiled machine, yes you might win a 100 here or there or get lucky and win on a big bet, long run, the casino always wins if you keep playing.
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Always bet on black! (no racist)
wesley snipes passenger 57 quote.
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Jon, there is no way to beat the casino, that is why they stay in business. How many casino's have gone out of business because the people have won and made them file for bankruptcy lately? A casino is a well oiled machine, yes you might win a 100 here or there or get lucky and win on a big bet, long run, the casino always wins if you keep playing.
It's not that there's no way to beat the casino. It's just that the house has a big advantage, and that people are foolish, ignorant and greedy. It takes brains, knowledge and discipline to beat the casino, and that's why professional gamblers (those with these qualities) can do what they do. Don't tell me there aren't any professionals around.
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It's not that there's no way to beat the casino. It's just that the house has a big advantage, and that people are foolish, ignorant and greedy. It takes brains, knowledge and discipline to beat the casino, and that's why professional gamblers (those with these qualities) can do what they do. Don't tell me there aren't any professionals around.
lmao please just point out to us ONE roulette professional that makes a substantial profit over time. Just ONE.
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lmao please just point out to us ONE roulette professional that makes a substantial profit over time. Just ONE.
Fuck sakes dude. James '007' Bond. He wins all the time.
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Here's the best systems info available from The Wizard of Odds. Check out his wesite for reliable casino info.
“No one can possibly win at roulette unless he steals money from the table while the croupier isn’t looking.” — Albert Einstein
Not only do bettings systems fail to beat casino games with a house advantage, they can’t even dent it. Roulette balls and dice simply have no memory. Every spin in roulette and every toss in craps is independent of all past events. In the short run you can fool yourself into thinking a betting system works, by risking a lot to win a little. However, in the long run no betting system can withstand the test of time. The longer you play, the ratio of money lost to money bet will get closer to the expectation for that game.
I have received hundreds of e-mails from believers in betting systems. Their faith reaches a religious fervor. However, in all things the more ridiculous a belief is the more tenaciously it tends to be held. Yet the casinos are still standing and nobody has ever proven anything that works.
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Here's the best systems info available from The Wizard of Odds. Check out his wesite for reliable casino info.
“No one can possibly win at roulette unless he steals money from the table while the croupier isn’t looking.” — Albert Einstein
Not only do bettings systems fail to beat casino games with a house advantage, they can’t even dent it. Roulette balls and dice simply have no memory. Every spin in roulette and every toss in craps is independent of all past events. In the short run you can fool yourself into thinking a betting system works, by risking a lot to win a little. However, in the long run no betting system can withstand the test of time. The longer you play, the ratio of money lost to money bet will get closer to the expectation for that game.
I have received hundreds of e-mails from believers in betting systems. Their faith reaches a religious fervor. However, in all things the more ridiculous a belief is the more tenaciously it tends to be held. Yet the casinos are still standing and nobody has ever proven anything that works.
Have you tried the "Win Line" system I posted here? That's an effective system for you, but you've to give it a shot. Also, sometimes beliefs are tenaciously held exactly because they are true.
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lmao please just point out to us ONE roulette professional that makes a substantial profit over time. Just ONE.
This guy does.
http://www.genuinewinner.com/
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This guy does.
http://www.genuinewinner.com/
I'm not trusting that site one bit.
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REP, I will be honest with ya and tell you that I have beaten the casinos many times but definitely not in the manner in which you most likely think.
I’m the kind of gambler often referred to as a “Whale Turd”.
That means I don’t risk a large amount of money when I play casino games.
In fact I only enter a casino with $5 to $20 in my pocket.
And I only play about three slots that have proven to pay off during my past casino visits.
And I have a rule that I stick to like glue – Once I double my money, I have to quit.
So if I place $5 into a slot machine and it goes up to $10, I must cash out and walk away.
If I place $20 into a slot machine and it goes up to $40, I cash out and walk away.
A very simple rule to follow unless GREED takes control.
And each pull of the handle or push of the button is either ten or twenty cents.
Many times that $5 risk will hit a bonus and I’ll win $10 to $120 which means I have to cashout immediately.
I’ll only continue to play if I get greedy.
And once that happens , I’ll start losing.
Right now I’m about $500 to the good so far this year and that’s just from risking a very few bucks in the following three slot machines ……
VAMPS
WOLF RUN
CATS
I play one or more of the above machines about 5 to 6 times a week at one of the following casinos which I consider to be the loosest machines in town …..
The Palms
The Orleans
Ellis Island
Sometimes it appears to be evident that these slot machines ‘allow’ you to win a few bucks and then take it all back from you when you sit and play it too long.
One machine in particular ALWAYS let’s you win $3 more than your ‘investment’ and then tightens up and takes all your money.
A good method to make the customer initially happy and, eventually, the casino rich.
SO that’s my SYSTEM for the slots.
When I play Blackjack (I’m an EXPERT at this game), I buy in for $30 at the Silverton and play their $3 game. And I have yet to walk out of the Silverton without a small profit which usually amounts to $30 - $60.
I am a very strict Basic Strategy player and do my best to avoid those tables where the players have no idea about Basic Strategy.
Greed is a major gambler’s downfall, so I always depart before it sets in.
And that’s my Blackjack system.
I gotta add that every casino I play in sends me more free stuff (including free play and even free money) than I can actually take advantage of each and evey month. Free play usually totals about $300 and actual free cash is usually less than $100.
So a decent amount of my winnings required no personal investment in the least.
Those are my "systems".
You now owe me $100. Thank you.
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REP, I will be honest with ya and tell you that I have beaten the casinos many times but definitely not in the manner in which you most likely think.
I’m the kind of gambler often referred to as a “Whale Turd”.
That means I don’t risk a large amount of money when I play casino games.
In fact I only enter a casino with $5 to $20 in my pocket.
And I only play about three slots that have proven to pay off during my past casino visits.
And I have a rule that I stick to like glue – Once I double my money, I have to quit.
So if I place $5 into a slot machine and it goes up to $10, I must cash out and walk away.
If I place $20 into a slot machine and it goes up to $40, I cash out and walk away.
A very simple rule to follow unless GREED takes control.
And each pull of the handle or push of the button is either ten or twenty cents.
Many times that $5 risk will hit a bonus and I’ll win $10 to $120 which means I have to cashout immediately.
I’ll only continue to play if I get greedy.
And once that happens , I’ll start losing.
Right now I’m about $500 to the good so far this year and that’s just from risking a very few bucks in the following three slot machines ……
VAMPS
WOLF RUN
CATS
I play one or more of the above machines about 5 to 6 times a week at one of the following casinos which I consider to be the loosest machines in town …..
The Palms
The Orleans
Ellis Island
Sometimes it appears to be evident that these slot machines ‘allow’ you to win a few bucks and then take it all back from you when you sit and play it too long.
One machine in particular ALWAYS let’s you win $3 more than your ‘investment’ and then tightens up and takes all your money.
A good method to make the customer initially happy and, eventually, the casino rich.
SO that’s my SYSTEM for the slots.
When I play Blackjack (I’m an EXPERT at this game), I buy in for $30 at the Silverton and play their $3 game. And I have yet to walk out of the Silverton without a small profit which usually amounts to $30 - $60.
I am a very strict Basic Strategy player and do my best to avoid those tables where the players have no idea about Basic Strategy.
Greed is a major gambler’s downfall, so I always depart before it sets in.
And that’s my Blackjack system.
I gotta add that every casino I play in sends me more free stuff (including free play and even free money) than I can actually take advantage of each and evey month. Free play usually totals about $300 and actual free cash is usually less than $100.
So a decent amount of my winnings required no personal investment in the least.
Those are my "systems".
You now owe me $100. Thank you.
Please share with us your expert Blackjack strategies so we may cash in too.
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Casino's really need guys like Jon, people who have huge desire to win. They want you think that you can outsmart them by figuring out a system that works against them. You can't change the principles the games are based on.
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It's pure mathematics. The math is in the casino's favor. That's why casino's are huge, opulent, and very expensive and you live in the trailer park from "Last Starfighter".
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Casino's really need guys like Jon, people who have huge desire to win. They want you think that you can outsmart them by figuring out a system that works against them. You can't change the principles the games are based on.
What if I've gotten my hands on a system or two already? The "Win Line" system I posted is a proven one, but everyone seems to be ignoring it instead of giving it a fair go. The principles only give the casinos an edge, and that certainly doesn't equate to their being unbeatable! I'm talking about roulette here; BJ may very well be different!
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Jon, Here's just one of many BJ Basic Strategy sites that may be of interest.
This is not a system.
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bjbse.php
Google Blackjack Basic Strategy for more and play the game accordingly in a real live casino that pays 3 to 2 for a BJ.
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What if I've gotten my hands on a system or two already? The "Win Line" system I posted is a proven one, but everyone seems to be ignoring it instead of giving it a fair go. The principles only give the casinos an edge, and that certainly doesn't equate to their being unbeatable! I'm talking about roulette here; BJ may very well be different!
Dude, you really don't understand probability, all the more reason to keep your money in your wallet.
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Guy is what gives the casino a nice profit..
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Why flipping a coin is not a 50-50 proposition
http://www.codingthewheel.com/archives/the-coin-flip-a-fundamentally-unfair-proposition
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REP, I will be honest with ya and tell you that I have beaten the casinos many times but definitely not in the manner in which you most likely think.
I’m the kind of gambler often referred to as a “Whale Turd”.
That means I don’t risk a large amount of money when I play casino games.
In fact I only enter a casino with $5 to $20 in my pocket.
And I only play about three slots that have proven to pay off during my past casino visits.
And I have a rule that I stick to like glue – Once I double my money, I have to quit.
So if I place $5 into a slot machine and it goes up to $10, I must cash out and walk away.
If I place $20 into a slot machine and it goes up to $40, I cash out and walk away.
A very simple rule to follow unless GREED takes control.
And each pull of the handle or push of the button is either ten or twenty cents.
Many times that $5 risk will hit a bonus and I’ll win $10 to $120 which means I have to cashout immediately.
I’ll only continue to play if I get greedy.
And once that happens , I’ll start losing.
Right now I’m about $500 to the good so far this year and that’s just from risking a very few bucks in the following three slot machines ……
VAMPS
WOLF RUN
CATS
I play one or more of the above machines about 5 to 6 times a week at one of the following casinos which I consider to be the loosest machines in town …..
The Palms
The Orleans
Ellis Island
Sometimes it appears to be evident that these slot machines ‘allow’ you to win a few bucks and then take it all back from you when you sit and play it too long.
One machine in particular ALWAYS let’s you win $3 more than your ‘investment’ and then tightens up and takes all your money.
A good method to make the customer initially happy and, eventually, the casino rich.
SO that’s my SYSTEM for the slots.
When I play Blackjack (I’m an EXPERT at this game), I buy in for $30 at the Silverton and play their $3 game. And I have yet to walk out of the Silverton without a small profit which usually amounts to $30 - $60.
I am a very strict Basic Strategy player and do my best to avoid those tables where the players have no idea about Basic Strategy.
Greed is a major gambler’s downfall, so I always depart before it sets in.
And that’s my Blackjack system.
I gotta add that every casino I play in sends me more free stuff (including free play and even free money) than I can actually take advantage of each and evey month. Free play usually totals about $300 and actual free cash is usually less than $100.
So a decent amount of my winnings required no personal investment in the least.
Those are my "systems".
You now owe me $100. Thank you.
good post and good way to play, smart. What I can't stand though are people that tell you they have a figured out a system of beating blackjack, or craps, or roulette. Then you see them drive away in their ford escort and couple hundred dollar a month apartment, makes you wonder why they aren't using their system to become million or billionaires?
I understand what you do, you make small profit and get out, good strategy. As well the free money they send you. Not many people can walk away or just accept a hundred dollars or so a visit, they want it all now! LOL
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REP, Thanks for understanding what I was trying to describe in one of my above posts ... i.e. "Take your small winnings and get the hell of the casino!"
I have friends who laugh when I am happy with a small win. Two in particular go to various casinos with me on a weekly basis and play max $3 on various slot machines and when and if they ever win (which is very seldom) , they claim bragging rights.
But in truth each of them loses more than most of you GetBiggers make in any given month when you total up the damages.
Just last night friend 'A' played some dumb machine in the Cosmopolitan that would pay off $22,000 if you hit the bonus. And over the next few hours after 4 to 5 trips to the ATM machine he had put roughly $2,000 into that damn machine without even ever coming close to a Bonus round.
He honestly thinks that the next turn of the reels will pay off his losses.
Same for another friend who lost $1,100 playing roulette with a 'system' he says he invented .... cover the first and the last 12 numbers on the roulette table , but he lost it all because the middle 12 numbers were predominate.
He was devestated because that $1,100 was for his return trip home. and he had to call his family to carry him through.
A couple of hours ago I was in the Orleans and won $5.60 and also took a free pull on the $12,700,000 Megabucks slot machine at the Palms and managed to win $10.
That's a $15.60 profit for today's casino visits and that's better than a kick in the ass or a $2,000 loss.
My friends are greedy gamblers.
JON, It appears that I cannot convince you that there are no casino systems known to man that will make you wealthy. On some occasions you may be "LUCKY" and win some cash using a system but that stye of win will never be consistent as these system sellers claim
But if you feel otherwise, I would suggest that you get the recommended bankroll in order and head off to the nearest roulette table and give it a go.
I can almost guarantee you that you'll come out empty handed.
Systems are 'invented' by gamblers who have lost all their money using their systems or someone else's system while spending too damn much time in a casino. They hope to regain that lost capital by selling you systems that never work.
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It's the GH15 of Gambling. ;D ;D
Gambling is a real waste of time, although I have lost nearly $200 betting throughout this month. I'd rather gamble on the stockmarket or with new business strategies instead.
REP, Thanks for understanding what I was trying to describe in one of my above posts ... i.e. "Take your small winnings and get the hell of the casino!"
I have friends who laugh when I am happy with a small win. Two in particular go to various casinos with me on a weekly basis and play max $3 on various slot machines and when and if they ever win, the claim bragging rights.
But in truth each of them loses more than most of you GetBiggers make in any given month when you total up the damages.
Just last night friend 'A' played some dumb machine in the Cosmopolitan that would pay off $22,000 if you hit the bonus. And over the next few hours after 4 to 5 trips to the ATM machine he had put roughly $2,000 into that damn machine without even ever coming close to a Bonus round.
He honestly thinks that the next turn of the reels will pay off his losses.
Same for another friend who lost $1,100 playing roulette with a 'system' he says he invented .... cover the first and the last 12 numbers on the roulette table , but he lost it all because the middle 12 numbers seldom showed.
He was devestated because that $1,100 was for his return trip home. and he had to call his family to carry him through.
A couple of hours ago I was in the Orleans and won $5.60 and to take a free pull on the $12,700,000 Megabucks slot machine at the Palms and managed to win $10.
That's a $15.60 profit for today's casino visits and that's better than a kick in the ass or a $2,000 loss.
My friends are greedy gamblers.
JON, It appears that I cannot convince you that there are no casino systems known to man that will make you wealthy. On some occasions you may be "LUCKY" and win some cash using a system but that system will never be consistent.
But if you feel otherwise, I would suggest that you get the recommended bankroll in order and head off to the nearest roulette table and give it a go.
I can almost guarantee you that you'll come out empty handed.
Systems are 'invented' by gamblers who have lost all their money using their systems or someone else's while spending too damn much time in a casino. They hope to regain that lost capital by selling you systems that never work.
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AB, Thanks, that coin flip article was a great read. I am now wondering how it would turn out if you lined up 100 GetBiggers and gave each of them a pen and a piece of paper and asked them to write either black or red on that paper.
And then spend the next ten minutes tabulating them.
Once again I would assume 48 of one color and 52 of the other.
Probability is akin to Quantum Mechanics if you look into it far enough.
And somehow String Theory is hanging in there someplace also.
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lol at anyone who says the have a system to make money no matter how little money it is and being a small amount must be guaranteed. I work in the industry. and the same bullshit and lies gamblers tell eachother and themselves I'm seeing here.
you all need to wake the fuck up. slots especially is a gamble dictated by a random number generator.
stuntmovie. your theory as much as you'd like to believe it holds no water and is full of holes. like this one here:
'One machine in particular ALWAYS let’s you win $3 more than your ‘investment’ and then tightens up and takes all your money.'
really. always. tell me stuntmovie how that machines knows your a new player and not the same guy who just busted out in it 20 seconds earlier? like the machine can tell that your a new player. in fact, your whole system basically is based on being a new player at that machine, and the machine recognizing you as such gives you a slight earning to keep you interested. sorry. it doesn't work that way. a machine doesnt have that ability.
your just been lucky. don't attribute it to a system or anything else. I can promise you and any other habitual gambler this- you will at the end of your gambling career you will only win back anywhere from 93-87% of your lifetime investment. and that's if your lucky. the industry doesnt make its bones off of the tourist who drops 1k at the palms while on vacation. it make it off the lifers. don't confuse your luck with the success of your system. you don't have one. you've just been 'lucky'.
funny thing about gamblers- they can convince themselves of anything. but their bank accounts never lie.
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Marsh, Yea! The stock market is usually a bigger gamble than gambling.
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NO ONE, I have to agree with your above statement 100%.
I do know that I've been extremely lucky ... but that darn luck is so consistent that I somehow get the feeling that how I explained it , is the real reality.
I'm perfectly aware of RNG's and all my gambling nonsense and also aware that what you had to say is the real 'reality' though.
But when a machine reacts somewhat consistently by allowing you a small win and then gradually taking it all back ....my mind tries to convince me that there is more to what that little chip is capable of doing.
But I can't argue against anything you stated above.
I'm not that stupid.
YET!
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NO One, are you at liberty to say what you do within the casino industry?
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NO ONE, I have to agree with your above statement 100%.
I do know that I've been extremely lucky ... but that darn luck is so consistent that I somehow get the feeling that how I explained it , is the real reality.
I'm perfectly aware of RNG's and all my gambling nonsense and also aware that what you had to say is the real 'reality' though.
But when a machine reacts somewhat consistently by allowing you a small win and then gradually taking it all back ....my mind tries to convince me that there is more to what that little chip is capable of doing.
But I can't argue against anything you stated above.
I'm not that stupid.
YET!
dude- I have seen everything. machines jackpot at the same time beside eachother played by a mother/ daughter on the same combination. two machine jackpotting beside eachother at the same time? maybe. jackpotting on the exact same combination w a mother daughter playing them? that's just inconceivable. ive seen back- to back- jp's more times than I can count. seen a guy dump 1000's chasing a progressive, get up and the next guy put a $20 in and hit on his first 3 spins- we've all heard about that- ive seen it.
in almost a decade in this industry if it has proven anything to me, it's that it is, 100% totally random.
and ps- I know you knew those things I wrote. this isn't your first BBQ. I'll tell you a story. had a guy come in all the time. Greek guy. sit at a certain $5 triple cash with straps of $100's and pump it. I got to know him quite well after time. we were having lunch one day and I asked him, 'so over the course of your play are you up or down?' he looked at me and said 'im prolly down over 250k. but I've always won when I needed too so it's never hurt me'
he got it. like he really got it- he knew gambling was a losing proposition. for him it was all about beating the machine, not the money. he knew he had been lucky, and also knew at any time his luck could run out. you remind me of him. most gamblers don't think like you guys, much less admit it. cause to admit it would mean they know over the course of their play they would lose money. that's not why gamblers play- they play to win. tough to admit knowing your going to lose. very strong to admit it.
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NO One, are you at liberty to say what you do within the casino industry?
I'm in slots stunt.
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NO One, are you at liberty to say what you do within the casino industry?
maybe he can talk to Jon lol.
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maybe he can talk to Jon lol.
the only way jon will ever win is if he never gambles again.
but he won't. it's an addiction as powerful as meth or crack. I hope he gets help before its too late cause he's red flag behaviors (industry talk for problem gamblers) all over the place. they lose everything. first it's the bank account. then it's cc debt. then the second and third mortgage in the house. then the wife leaves. after that... you don't hear a lot about. it's a shitty seedy industry and what you don't know would sicken you. why do you think you never hear from those guys/ women after all that happens to them. after they lose it all. why don't you hear about them anymore. you know why. nobody talks about it. god damn the gaming industry.
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the only way jon will ever win is if he never gambles again.
but he won't. it's an addiction as powerful as meth or crack. I hope he gets help before its too late cause he's red flag behaviors (industry talk for problem gamblers) all over the place. they lose everything. first it's the bank account. then it's cc debt. then the second and third mortgage in the house. then the wife leaves. after that... you don't hear a lot about. it's a shitty seedy industry and what you don't know would sicken you. why do you think you never hear from those guys/ women after all that happens to them. after they lose it all. why don't you hear about them anymore. you know why. nobody talks about it. god damn the gaming industry.
Gambling is random. Any luck, voodoo or whatever the fuck you believe in is just pure random chance.
Physical defects which result in more numbers coming up than usual are safeguarded with the fact that Casinos test, maintain & replace physical components of roulette machines or card shufflers to limit this variation.
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No One, thanks for that interesting post. I appreciate honest casino stories and I have quite a few of my own to pass on that you may find to be of interest.
Nothing earth-shattering though since the Boyz left town but if Keith was alive today he could verify some of the stuff I want to write about here but will most likely decline to do so for various reasons.
Peter G could also verify a lot of our LV experiences.
Small story that may be of interest ,,,,
The ORLEANS here in Vegas recently sent me a comped three night stay for no reason that I could think of unless one of the kids stold my card and put a lot of points on it.
So this afternoon I was in the Orleans and decided to pay a fast visit to Bill Boyd because his dad used to send us four to five free room nights including meals and various comps whcih we could use from the 26th of December through mid January each year.
I took advantage of that generous offer for many years and finally decided that it was time to look for one of the Boyd's and thank him personally.
BTW ... they used to live in Hawaii and once upon a time we were unaquainted neighbors.
So I went into his office today but he was out and the secretary set me up with an appointment to meet him tomorrow. (I like meeting various people who made this town what it is today and am looking forward to shaking his hand and say, "Thanks!").
At one time or another I've had the opportunity to meet the majority of the old time casino owners including the likes of Benny Binion and his offspring, the Gaughans (spelling?), Bob Stupak, Steve Wynn, etc.
For some unknown reason I'm fascinated by LV history and casino games and enjoy talking about the best of times when this town was really happening and Binion's Horseshoe was the only place to hang your hat.
SO thanks for joinimg in.
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No One, thanks for that interesting post. I appreciate honest casino stories and I have quite a few of my own to pass on that you may find to be of interest.
Nothing earth-shattering though since the Boyz left town but if Keith was alive today he could verify some of the stuff I want to write about here but will most likely decline to do so for various reasons.
Peter G could also verify a lot of our LV experiences.
Small story that may be of interest ,,,,
The ORLEANS here in Vegas recently sent me a comped three night stay for no reason that I could think of unless one of the kids stold my card and put a lot of points on it.
So this afternoon I was in the Orleans and decided to pay a fast visit to Bill Boyd because his dad used to send us four to five free room nights including meals and various comps whcih we could use from the 26th of December through mid January each year.
I took advantage of that generous offer for many years and finally decided that it was time to look for one of the Boyd's and thank him personally.
BTW ... they used to live in Hawaii and once upon a time we were unaquainted neighbors.
So I went into his office today but he was out and the secretary set me up with an appointment to meet him tomorrow. (I like meeting various people who made this town what it is today and am looking forward to shaking his hand and say, "Thanks!").
At one time or another I've had the opportunity to meet the majority of the old time casino owners including the likes of Benny Binion and his offspring, the Gaughans (spelling?), Bob Stupak, Steve Wynn, etc.
For some unknown reason I'm fascinated by LV history and casino games and enjoy talking about the best of times when this town was really happening and Binion's Horseshoe was the only place to hang your hat.
SO thanks for joinimg in.
Stuntmovie, I'm not really well versed on LV history but I had a chance to spend a few days back in January at the Monte Carlo and had a blast. A friend of mine said there was an old James Bond movie from back in the 60's or so where Bond is driving through the part that is now the New Strip but at that time it was just all mostly wide open desert land. Do you have any idea which movie this was? He said Bond was driving some old sports car through there and the camera angle allowed the viewer a really good view of the area before all the growth. I think that would be cool to watch if I could get the title of the film.
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I'm in slots stunt.
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Dude, you really don't understand probability, all the more reason to keep your money in your wallet.
Probability is why the "Win Line" system is there, to defeat it. The mathematics in such a system defeats the house edge safely and easily.
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maybe he can talk to Jon lol.
Why is it so hard for you to keep your perseverance, and to not give up on the possibility of a genuine winning system? Don't let the big nasty casino get you down. Where's your never-say-die spirit? I'm certainly not a quitter.
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the only way jon will ever win is if he never gambles again.
but he won't. it's an addiction as powerful as meth or crack. I hope he gets help before its too late cause he's red flag behaviors (industry talk for problem gamblers) all over the place. they lose everything. first it's the bank account. then it's cc debt. then the second and third mortgage in the house. then the wife leaves. after that... you don't hear a lot about. it's a shitty seedy industry and what you don't know would sicken you. why do you think you never hear from those guys/ women after all that happens to them. after they lose it all. why don't you hear about them anymore. you know why. nobody talks about it. god damn the gaming industry.
Hehe, that's why I must take the gaming industry down. Let's bankrupt the casinos, all of them, with my systems! Who's with me here? ;D
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Why is it so hard for you to keep your perseverance, and to not give up on the possibility of a genuine winning system? Don't let the big nasty casino get you down. Where's your never-say-die spirit? I'm certainly not a quitter.
My first real job was in the computer department for a big city newspaper, training editors how to use computers to compose the pages...During quiet moments I wrote programs to simulate casino games in order to test "systems"...Nothing worked.
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POLY,
That sounds like Diamonds Are Forever released in 1971 but I can recall the Las Vegas Strip ten years earlier when you could not find the road on windy days due to the desert sand covering it.
And the small two story hotel/motels were a half mile apart with 4x8 plywood boards on vacant desert lots in between those hotel/motels advertising Strip-front acreage at $300 each.
Much later on I was told that all that desert road-front property was owned by Mae West and W.C. Fields.
One hot day I got out of the car to take a closer look at some roadside dirt and the melting tarmac sucked off my shoe and fought my struggle to get it back.
Back then that road was just desert dirt and a melting two lane roadway. I don’t recall if it was called The Strip back then. I sort of recall that it was known as the “Road to LA”, but I could be wrong.
Three or four of those early day casinos would have nice looking but non-electric , wooden sigms letting drive-bys know that it was cool inside and that you could eat all you wanted for 99 cents. I can’t recall if the word “buffet” was even used in those early days.
At Doc’s place (the Hacienda) you could drink cold Champaigne free of charge from a silver fountain which flowed all day long.
And each hotel/casino on that roadway to LA had greeters who would meet and greet you with open arms and hardy handshakes as soon as you entered the front door. Some of those greeters were major stars or sport personalities. I think George Raft bought us a few rounds one night upon our arrival at the Sands.
And if you wore your military uniform or had a Marine Corps haircut, you were treated as though you were royalty with a persomal escort to the bar where drinks were always on the house.
And soon enough the booz encouraged us to give Lady Luck a try while the Pit Bosses would always look over us and offer good advice and inform us when it was time to return to the bar to recharge our batteries befoe our next assault on Lady Luck.
There was a war on someplace and we were active combat participants and this was the casino’s way of expressing there appreciation and gratitude ...... and a $60 to a $100 win due to the help of these casino civilians was big bucks back then and truly appreciated.,
And we never hit the rack without some major casino ‘boss’ giving us his card and informing us that arrangement had been made for us Marines at the next casino down the road.
Back in those days Las Vegas had the reputation of being a service town … and that was exceptionally evident to us US service guys.
It can never be the same again but if I ever get the opportunity to show these hotel and casino owners how it was done back then, it would all change for the better for each of us.
Back then you could go downtown to Fremontr Street and tie your ass to hitching post if you could finf a vacant one or one that an old desert prospector was saddleing up to head back to God knows where to search for something that would be utterly worthless today.
One major thing that today’s casinos have forgotten to do …. Back then the casino owners or the major casino figurehead would walk the casino floor greeting his ganbling customers and slip a roll of nickels or a roll of dimes into their hands with a hardy, “Good luck!” and a. “Welcome to the Horseshoe! Thanks for coming in!”
That’s done no longer, but it sure as hell should be.
The last casino owner I’ve seen on the floor greeting his customers was Bob Stupak at the old Vegas World over ten years ago., but instead of a roll of nickles, he only offered a Polish hot-dog and a few words of encouragement.
Now-a-days it’s entirely different and Las Vegas visitors don’t expect too much when it cones to service. That’s most likely brcause they have no idea what kind of town Las Vegas use to be. They even play Blackjack where the casinos pay even money instead of 3-2. (A very dumb thing indeed!)
I recall driving from Camp Pendleton one summer afternoon in a little convertible sports car without the ‘roof' .... and reaching Baker when it was 115 degrees and purchasing a 100 pounds of ice which we dunped on the seats in an attempt to keep cool.
And driving the last 50 miles into town in first gear because the deserrt wind blew some desert dirt into our vacunn shift mechanism.
And many hours later we pulled into the fountain filled driveway of a brand bew hotel called Caesars Palace … hot and tire and dripping wet … and…
The valet guy sees us creeping up his beautiful fountain filled driveway first gear and says, “Having car problems, sir??
And before I can say, “Yes, you dumb shit” ….. he says, “It’ll be fixed and ready for you by 10 AM. Will you be needing transportation this evening, sir?”
That’s the kind of town Las Vegas used to be!
It’s got a lot to learn …. Once again.
Its gotta start over or it'll wither away like an old desert bone.
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REP, Thanks for understanding what I was trying to describe in one of my above posts ... i.e. "Take your small winnings and get the hell of the casino!"
I have friends who laugh when I am happy with a small win. Two in particular go to various casinos with me on a weekly basis and play max $3 on various slot machines and when and if they ever win (which is very seldom) , they claim bragging rights.
But in truth each of them loses more than most of you GetBiggers make in any given month when you total up the damages.
Just last night friend 'A' played some dumb machine in the Cosmopolitan that would pay off $22,000 if you hit the bonus. And over the next few hours after 4 to 5 trips to the ATM machine he had put roughly $2,000 into that damn machine without even ever coming close to a Bonus round.
He honestly thinks that the next turn of the reels will pay off his losses.
Same for another friend who lost $1,100 playing roulette with a 'system' he says he invented .... cover the first and the last 12 numbers on the roulette table , but he lost it all because the middle 12 numbers were predominate.
He was devestated because that $1,100 was for his return trip home. and he had to call his family to carry him through.
A couple of hours ago I was in the Orleans and won $5.60 and also took a free pull on the $12,700,000 Megabucks slot machine at the Palms and managed to win $10.
That's a $15.60 profit for today's casino visits and that's better than a kick in the ass or a $2,000 loss.
My friends are greedy gamblers.
JON, It appears that I cannot convince you that there are no casino systems known to man that will make you wealthy. On some occasions you may be "LUCKY" and win some cash using a system but that stye of win will never be consistent as these system sellers claim
But if you feel otherwise, I would suggest that you get the recommended bankroll in order and head off to the nearest roulette table and give it a go.
I can almost guarantee you that you'll come out empty handed.
Systems are 'invented' by gamblers who have lost all their money using their systems or someone else's system while spending too damn much time in a casino. They hope to regain that lost capital by selling you systems that never work.
Your friend should have covered the middle 12 of the roulette table once those particular numbers started coming up. I say be fluid like water as Bruce Lee so famously said and bet WITH the streak; since roulette's a game of streaks, it's very hard to lose that way. I've heard of a guy who kept betting on Black when Red kept coming up, but what if he went with the flow (instead of trying to defy it) instead? He would be jacked with cash!
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JON, When are you going to use one of these systems you so highly regard in real like in a real Las Vegas casino?
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JON, When are you going to use one of these systems you so highly regard in real like in a real Las Vegas casino?
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JON, When are you going to use one of these systems you so highly regard in real like in a real Las Vegas casino?
well that is where it get's a little tricky for most of these people ;D
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JON, When are you going to use one of these systems you so highly regard in real like in a real Las Vegas casino?
I'll be using them in an online casino once I finish trialling all my methods. I can't wait!
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I'll be using them in an online casino once I finish trialling all my methods. I can't wait!
OMG ::)
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OMG ::)
Hehe, I'll probably be using the "Win Line" method. Of course you need to make the right selections too, and that's where my secret 'betting with the streaks' formula comes in. That's unbeatable, I tell you, because roulette, as I said, is a game of streaks.
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JON, Good luck at the game of Roulette and your system. If it works constantly in you favor, you could publish it and sell it and make a hell of a lot more money in the process ..... much more than you'll ever make playing your system
And that will teach ya all about the many others who spend their time selling systems over the net and in a couple of Las Vegas gambler's book stores.
They write those pamphlets and publications in an attempt to regain the money lost using their system.
For your sake I hope you don't learn this the hard way.
Only risk what you can afford to lose. And if it works once, don't expect it to keep on working.
If it does keep on working, consider it to be a miracle.
Can you please give me a good idea of your idea of what a STREAK is?
Does it mean something like the following?
A "streak" of Ten consecutive even numbers? Or ten consectutive odd numbers?
A 'streak' of ten odds or ten evens? A 'streak' of consectutive reds and blacks?
Etc.
Today I'll stand by a roulette table and write the numbers down as they come up and pass those numbers to you in an effort to see if a 'streak' is evident.
I think 20 numbers should be sufficient to determine if there is some form of streak. But if I have the time, I'll stay longer.
And most important .... How far into a 'streak' must you "travel" before you start placing your bets?
Amd don't be surprised if that 'streak' changes the moment you place a sizable bet.
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JON, Good luck at the game of Roulette and your system. If it works constantly in you favor, you could publish it and sell it and make a hell of a lot more money in the process ..... much more than you'll ever make playing your system
And that will teach ya all about the many others who spend their time selling systems over the net and in a couple of Las Vegas gambler's book stores.
They write those pamphlets and publications in an attempt to regain the money lost using their system.
For your sake I hope you don't learn this the hard way.
Only risk what you can afford to lose. And if it works once, don't expect it to keep on working.
If it does keep on working, consider it to be a miracle.
Can you please give me a good idea of your idea of what a STREAK is?
Does it mean something like the following?
A "streak" of Ten consecutive even numbers? Or ten consectutive odd numbers?
A 'streak' of ten odds or ten evens? A 'streak' of consectutive reds and blacks?
Etc.
Today I'll stand by a roulette table and write the numbers down as they come up and pass those numbers to you in an effort to see if a 'streak' is evident.
I think 20 numbers should be sufficient to determine if there is some form of streak. But if I have the time, I'll stay longer.
And most important .... How far into a 'streak' must you "travel" before you start placing your bets?
Amd don't be surprised if that 'streak' changes the moment you place a sizable bet.
A streak occurs if there 2 or more Reds or Blacks in a row, like Red, Red, Red or Black, Black, Black. The most for a particular colour I have seen appearing in succession at my online casino is ten Blacks. Another type of streak is Red, Black, Red, Black, Red, Black, and so on. Whichever streak comes up, simply bet WITH it. If there are 2 Reds or Blacks appearing, then a streak has already started, and you should bet. If 3 alternating numbers have appeared like Red, Black, Red, then that's another streak, and you should bet. Why don't you try combining this with the "Win Line" system below? Even with small stakes per try, you can win lots of money pretty soon. Another (less effective) method is to bet on only the first and second columns, switching to the third column (plus either one or both of the other 2 columns to be safest) after it strikes. Once the third column stops hitting, then revert to betting on the first and second columns only. Combine this with the 'streak' strategy as explained above, for best results. Give it a shot, and see how it goes.
http://www.playhard.co.uk/winning-roulette-system.php
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Probability is why the "Win Line" system is there, to defeat it. The mathematics in such a system defeats the house edge safely and easily.
Unless the mathematics are incorrect....
Just read this will ya:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roulette
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Unless the mathematics are incorrect....
What makes you think that?
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Jon. You can't change the 97.3% expected payout. So any system you use it'll always come down to negative expectations.
Sure you can make short term wins like using the martingale system or making single bet of 3500$ to win 100$ with 94.6% chance of winning(totally insane) but the fundamentals will stay. You can't win.
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Jon. You can't change the 97.3% expected payout. So any system you use it'll always come down to negative expectations.
Sure you can make short term wins like using the martingale system or making single bet of 3500$ to win 100$ with 94.6% chance of winning(totally insane) but the fundamentals will stay. You can't win.
Obviously you've been suckered by the casinos into thinking that. The house edge is why you need brains to beat the system.
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Well, I guess I'll bite and feed the troll...
There's your problem: your premise is flawed. There's no "code" and no "system" because roulette is a game of chance. Playing more to "recoup your losses" will only serve one purpose: to prove you're stupid enough to go lose more money.
The only advice that's worth giving you -- although I doubt you'll take it -- is to stop gambling away money you obviously can't afford to lose.
I would point out that it's called gambling, and that should really answer your question. Although if I wanted to be super-accurate I could say that the answer depends on what "to lose" means in this context.
Frankly, it should be fairly obvious that in general the answer is "no of course it's not true!" But perhaps that's the mathematician in me speaking.
As for systems: no system out there can guarantee wins. Not even that retarded "double the bet whenever you lose" system that everyone seems to think will help them break the bank. Let me be very clear: that system could work in theory and then only if you had an infinite stack of chips. Alas, it doesn't work well in practice and not just because your stack of chips is finite but also because of table limits. The bottom line is that it's called gambling for a reason...
bingo. in first year uni as an engineering maths assignment we had to analyse all the games at the casino for odds. Blackjack came out on top at around 43% if i remember correctly.
pokie machines are the worst, as they are set to pay or not to, on top of the randomness..depending on the state's legislation.
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Obviously you've been suckered by the casinos into thinking that. The house edge is why you need brains to beat the system.
lol. u r one of the morons casinos rely on to keep them making guaranteed profits.
they firstly guarantee it by having no chance to lose, then they further guarantee it by dangling the carrot of temptation- that is, short term wins as a possibility.
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"pokie machines are the worst, as they are set to pay or not to, on top of the randomness..depending on the state's legislation."
That's OK, I only play Gumby machines.
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lol. u r one of the morons casinos rely on to keep them making guaranteed profits.
they firstly guarantee it by having no chance to lose, then they further guarantee it by dangling the carrot of temptation- that is, short term wins as a possibility.
I see you're one of the imbeciles who think winning's impossible. Your thinking is so childish it's laughable. I'm into high-powered casino schemes, not foolish child's play from ignorant kids. Casinos DO lose cash, a lot of it, but they win more than they lose, so they make profits. It' s all about expanding that 'losing' part of theirs so you, the patron, can win all the time. I've tapped the brains of a maths genius to deliver a foolproof strategy, you simpleton.
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bingo. in first year uni as an engineering maths assignment we had to analyse all the games at the casino for odds. Blackjack came out on top at around 43% if i remember correctly.
pokie machines are the worst, as they are set to pay or not to, on top of the randomness..depending on the state's legislation.
You must possess the wits of a llama indeed; I'm talking about roulette here. Don't tell me even your puny brain can't come up with something studying the roulette board and the numbers that come up.
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Jon enough talk already, all these system's, go out and use your real cash on these systems you so believe in and report back on the results.
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Obviously you've been suckered by the casinos into thinking that. The house edge is why you need brains to beat the system.
I know I can't change your point of view. Truth is however you can't mathematically explain a system that would turn profit because there is none. As been said the game is rigged from the get go.
I hope you won't lose any more money. All the best!
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Jon enough talk already, all these system's, go out and use your real cash on these systems you so believe in and report back on the results.
Yes yes, I'm eager for the cash too! Why don't all of you try out the systems I've mentioned as well, with small stakes?
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I know I can't change your point of view. Truth is however you can't mathematically explain a system that would turn profit because there is none. As been said the game is rigged from the get go.
I hope you won't lose any more money. All the best!
Ah, that's why it takes a mathematics genius to defeat a game that has been rigged from the get go as you say. You see, roulette is not a game wherein you have NO CHANCE to win, so any winning system exploits all the chances you DO have! For example, you've got a virtual 1 in 2 shot of winning if you go with either Red or Black, and 2 in 3 shots of winning if you pick any 2 of 3 columns. I hope this explains something, at least, to you. Thank you too for your good wishes.
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This nifty little tool, though unnecessary, serves as a good aid too when I want some 'side cash'. 8)
http://www.roulettepsychic.com/
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Jon, you rolling in a Ferrari yet?
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A nice hit for me a few months ago in Las Vegas.
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Tommy, I got 4 four-of-a-kinds yesterday at the Palms, but I was playing the penny slots with five cents in.
That's a nice win you got on a $2 bet. I hope you didn't put it all back in or spend more than that amount before you hit it. What casino was that?
I guess you've already noticed that one pair and two pair pay the same amount.
I always keep the highest pair, throw the other pair away and hope for three or four of a kind.
What casino were you in Tommy and was it crowded or not. Last midweek visit in the Tahoe area .... the casinos were just about empty ... including the Crystal Bay clubs.
We used to play Blackjack in those casinos at the age of 18 while the security guys used to stand by the front door looking for the 'sheriff' and rush us into the coffee shop at the first moment he was sighted.
And as soon as he left we were lead back to the tables.
Fun days!
BACK TO THE ROULETTE TABLE AND 'SYSTEMS'....
JOH ... Maybe this might help you out a bit before you try your system in a real live casino.
Here are the roulette numbers as they actually ‘came up’ during the 45 minutes or so while I was observing at the PALMS casino this afternoon here in Las Vegas after seeing LOCK UP ... a pretty damn good movie.
I’ll list the first 15 numbers that came up (colors included) so that maybe you can discover ‘something’ that will show you what numbers or colors, etc that you would bet on over the next ten spins of the wheel. (I have those winning numbers on paper also as they were actually ‘played’.)
8 Black
4 Black
7 Red
15 Black
24 Black
14 Red
26 Black
21 Red
23 Red
35 Black
28 Black
1 Red
26 Black
24 Black
34 Red
Would this give you enough information to make your next few bets?
I have a list of the next ten numbers that came up over the next ten spin.
If you get five of those ten correct, your system is good enough to break even provided you bet the same amount on each spin of the roulette wheel.
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POLY,
That sounds like Diamonds Are Forever released in 1971 but I can recall the Las Vegas Strip ten years earlier when you could not find the road on windy days due to the desert sand covering it.
And the small two story hotel/motels were a half mile apart with 4x8 plywood boards on vacant desert lots in between those hotel/motels advertising Strip-front acreage at $300 each.
Much later on I was told that all that desert road-front property was owned by Mae West and W.C. Fields.
One hot day I got out of the car to take a closer look at some roadside dirt and the melting tarmac sucked off my shoe and fought my struggle to get it back.
Back then that road was just desert dirt and a melting two lane roadway. I don’t recall if it was called The Strip back then. I sort of recall that it was known as the “Road to LA”, but I could be wrong.
Three or four of those early day casinos would have nice looking but non-electric , wooden sigms letting drive-bys know that it was cool inside and that you could eat all you wanted for 99 cents. I can’t recall if the word “buffet” was even used in those early days.
At Doc’s place (the Hacienda) you could drink cold Champaigne free of charge from a silver fountain which flowed all day long.
And each hotel/casino on that roadway to LA had greeters who would meet and greet you with open arms and hardy handshakes as soon as you entered the front door. Some of those greeters were major stars or sport personalities. I think George Raft bought us a few rounds one night upon our arrival at the Sands.
And if you wore your military uniform or had a Marine Corps haircut, you were treated as though you were royalty with a persomal escort to the bar where drinks were always on the house.
And soon enough the booz encouraged us to give Lady Luck a try while the Pit Bosses would always look over us and offer good advice and inform us when it was time to return to the bar to recharge our batteries befoe our next assault on Lady Luck.
There was a war on someplace and we were active combat participants and this was the casino’s way of expressing there appreciation and gratitude ...... and a $60 to a $100 win due to the help of these casino civilians was big bucks back then and truly appreciated.,
And we never hit the rack without some major casino ‘boss’ giving us his card and informing us that arrangement had been made for us Marines at the next casino down the road.
Back in those days Las Vegas had the reputation of being a service town … and that was exceptionally evident to us US service guys.
It can never be the same again but if I ever get the opportunity to show these hotel and casino owners how it was done back then, it would all change for the better for each of us.
Back then you could go downtown to Fremontr Street and tie your ass to hitching post if you could finf a vacant one or one that an old desert prospector was saddleing up to head back to God knows where to search for something that would be utterly worthless today.
One major thing that today’s casinos have forgotten to do …. Back then the casino owners or the major casino figurehead would walk the casino floor greeting his ganbling customers and slip a roll of nickels or a roll of dimes into their hands with a hardy, “Good luck!” and a. “Welcome to the Horseshoe! Thanks for coming in!”
That’s done no longer, but it sure as hell should be.
The last casino owner I’ve seen on the floor greeting his customers was Bob Stupak at the old Vegas World over ten years ago., but instead of a roll of nickles, he only offered a Polish hot-dog and a few words of encouragement.
Now-a-days it’s entirely different and Las Vegas visitors don’t expect too much when it cones to service. That’s most likely brcause they have no idea what kind of town Las Vegas use to be. They even play Blackjack where the casinos pay even money instead of 3-2. (A very dumb thing indeed!)
I recall driving from Camp Pendleton one summer afternoon in a little convertible sports car without the ‘roof' .... and reaching Baker when it was 115 degrees and purchasing a 100 pounds of ice which we dunped on the seats in an attempt to keep cool.
And driving the last 50 miles into town in first gear because the deserrt wind blew some desert dirt into our vacunn shift mechanism.
And many hours later we pulled into the fountain filled driveway of a brand bew hotel called Caesars Palace … hot and tire and dripping wet … and…
The valet guy sees us creeping up his beautiful fountain filled driveway first gear and says, “Having car problems, sir??
And before I can say, “Yes, you dumb shit” ….. he says, “It’ll be fixed and ready for you by 10 AM. Will you be needing transportation this evening, sir?”
That’s the kind of town Las Vegas used to be!
It’s got a lot to learn …. Once again.
Its gotta start over or it'll wither away like an old desert bone.
You got some of the very best stories on getbig. Love reading your posts.
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POLY, Thanks!
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You must possess the wits of a llama indeed; I'm talking about roulette here. Don't tell me even your puny brain can't come up with something studying the roulette board and the numbers that come up.
lol. i feel for your children...but, society needs the dumb ones to even it all out and make it possible to live well.
so i thank you for living in that respect.
u mustnt have read my post completely.
btw the chance of a streak of 10 in a game of roulette is 0.05%..thats 18/37^10 approx.
in other words, no chance.
If you really think theres a way to beat these games, then you are a fool. period..end of story..
it also means that u just dont "get it".
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Stunt! I was at Harvey's South Shore last Fri - Mon. Great weather, nobody else there.
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TOMMY, I used to own some properties in what is now INCLINE and trekked all the High Sierra wilderness in the Tahoe area and other family members are still in the process of completing the Pacific Crest Trail from somewhere in or by Canada through the Sierra down to somewhere near Mexico.
We've been threatened by cats, two bears, birds (yep), and even rescued by the RANGERS under adverse weather conditions... long story!
I've seen a lot of the real wilderness and the scenery is more amazing around every bend.
Friends have summer cabins on small lakes up there where the land was actually given to their grandparents free for posperity but impossible to trek to during the snow season.
One large parcel near the Summit has been owned by a family since the late 1800's when it was used during the summer to graze a herd of cattle.
Probably the most beautiful piece of lakefront property throughout the HIGH sierra. WILL POST PHOTOS.
Did you ever visit Thunderbird Loge?
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lol. i feel for your children...but, society needs the dumb ones to even it all out and make it possible to live well.
so i thank you for living in that respect.
u mustnt have read my post completely.
btw the chance of a streak of 10 in a game of roulette is 0.05%..thats 18/37^10 approx.
in other words, no chance.
If you really think theres a way to beat these games, then you are a fool. period..end of story..
it also means that u just dont "get it".
You dumbass, it looks like you've simply lost hope on beating the games a long time ago. Don't suck people into your spell of negativity. I read your posts, and they are all ridiculous nonsense. It's not that I'm dumb that you can't understand what I'm saying, but that you're the lackwit here. I'm trying to exploit whatever chance the player has at the games, and it takes a genius to do that, certainly not one who has resigned himself to defeat. By the way, I've FOUND A WAY to beat the game of roulette, and that's a FACT, which means you're the fool, going by the own crap you spewed.
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Good grief, are you still trolling in this thread Jon Harridan?
You dumbass, it looks like you've simply lost hope on beating the games a long time ago.
I'll repeat this again, although chances are you won't understand it any better now than you did the first time around: You can't beat any of the chance games. That's why they're called chance games. The game is random and the odds are against you. It's simple fucking mathematics!
By the way, I've FOUND A WAY to beat the game of roulette, and that's a FACT, which means you're the fool, going by the own crap you spewed.
You haven't found jackshit. See above.
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Good grief, are you still trolling in this thread Jon Harridan?
I'll repeat this again, although chances are you won't understand it any better now than you did the first time around: You can't beat any of the chance games. That's why they're called chance games. The game is random and the odds are against you. It's simple fucking mathematics!
You haven't found jackshit. See above.
I told you, I've found the code means I've found the code, which shows many here to be absolute fools for giving up so easily. Do you understand simple English with what I said? Since you seem not to, that means you're A CERTIFIED MORON. The mathematics says that you DO have a chance in certain games, YOU JACKASS! It's simple mathematics, after all. Of course, the dealer also has a chance, but that's beside the point. What's wrong with the brains of people here, I wonder.
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lol. i feel for your children...but, society needs the dumb ones to even it all out and make it possible to live well.
so i thank you for living in that respect.
u mustnt have read my post completely.
btw the chance of a streak of 10 in a game of roulette is 0.05%..thats 18/37^10 approx.
in other words, no chance.
If you really think theres a way to beat these games, then you are a fool. period..end of story..
it also means that u just dont "get it".
By the way, I've heard of a particular colour coming up in a row 23 times, and fact is fact. Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.
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Fellows, I've just figured out some revolutionary new roulette systems! You bet either on 1-18, plus the 2nd 12 and 3rd 12, or 19-36, plus the 1st 12 and 2nd 12. You alternate between these two options.
I just want you to see that everything comes down to same old 97.3%. Lets say we put 1$ to those you mentioned so in total 3$/round.
You would win 2$ if it comes to first twelve numbers. You would win 5$ dollars if 13-18. 3$ 19-36.
So in total 2x12+5x6+3x18=108 There are 37 numbers in roulette. 3x37=111
108/111=97.3%
People are greedy by nature so you can imagine there has been a lot of people in 500 years of roulette's history who have tried to beat those odds. The numbers and colors on the board are just an illusion that people would think they have a choice.
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Tommy, I got 4 four-of-a-kinds yesterday at the Palms, but I was playing the penny slots with five cents in.
That's a nice win you got on a $2 bet. I hope you didn't put it all back in or spend more than that amount before you hit it. What casino was that?
I guess you've already noticed that one pair and two pair pay the same amount.
I always keep the highest pair, throw the other pair away and hope for three or four of a kind.
What casino were you in Tommy and was it crowded or not. Last midweek visit in the Tahoe area .... the casinos were just about empty ... including the Crystal Bay clubs.
We used to play Blackjack in those casinos at the age of 18 while the security guys used to stand by the front door looking for the 'sheriff' and rush us into the coffee shop at the first moment he was sighted.
And as soon as he left we were lead back to the tables.
Fun days!
BACK TO THE ROULETTE TABLE AND 'SYSTEMS'....
JOH ... Maybe this might help you out a bit before you try your system in a real live casino.
Here are the roulette numbers as they actually ‘came up’ during the 45 minutes or so while I was observing at the PALMS casino this afternoon here in Las Vegas after seeing LOCK UP ... a pretty damn good movie.
I’ll list the first 15 numbers that came up (colors included) so that maybe you can discover ‘something’ that will show you what numbers or colors, etc that you would bet on over the next ten spins of the wheel. (I have those winning numbers on paper also as they were actually ‘played’.)
8 Black
4 Black
7 Red
15 Black
24 Black
14 Red
26 Black
21 Red
23 Red
35 Black
28 Black
1 Red
26 Black
24 Black
34 Red
Would this give you enough information to make your next few bets?
I have a list of the next ten numbers that came up over the next ten spin.
If you get five of those ten correct, your system is good enough to break even provided you bet the same amount on each spin of the roulette wheel.
Hmmm, I would just keep betting on red by the looks of things! Going by the law of probability, the number of reds and blacks will even out over time, though there's no guarantee this will be worked out over the next ten spins. There's a pattern of Black predominating, so it's a risk not to go with that.
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I just want you to see that everything comes down to same old 97.3%. Lets say we put 1$ to those you mentioned so in total 3$/round.
You would win 2$ if it comes to first twelve numbers. You would win 5$ dollars if 13-18. 3$ 19-36.
So in total 2x12+5x6+3x18=108 There are 37 numbers in roulette. 3x37=111
108/111=97.3%
People are greedy by nature so you can imagine there has been a lot of people in 500 years of roulette's history who have tried to beat those odds. The numbers and colors on the board are just an illusion that people would think they have a choice.
Please explain your calculations more, assuming $1 stakes on each bet. Thanks.
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I told you, I've found the code means I've found the code
It means jackshit, since there's no code to find.
The mathematics says that you DO have a chance in certain games, YOU JACKASS! It's simple mathematics, after all. Of course, the dealer also has a chance, but that's beside the point. What's wrong with the brains of people here, I wonder.
Of course you have a chance troll. But it's a random chance, which is why there's no code to find. If there is a code, and you found it, why are you here posting, instead of breaking the bank in Las Vegas? You can skip answering - it was a rhetorical question.
By the way, I've heard of a particular colour coming up in a row 23 times, an fact is fact. Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.
Fiction would be if in a spin of the roulette wheel, the result was potato. Something stranger than fiction is if the result of 23 spins in row coming up potato. A particular color coming up 23 times in a row? Nothing particularly fictional or strange about that. Unlikely? Sure. But, again, neither fictional nor strange.
Hmmm, I would just keep betting on red by the looks of things! Going by the law of probability, the number of reds and blacks will even out over time, though there's no guarantee this will be worked out over the next ten spins. There's a pattern of Black predominating, so it's a risk not to go with that.
There's no pattern - each spin is statistically independent of all previous spins. There's no correlation between what came up before and what will come up next.
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Hmmm, I would just keep betting on red by the looks of things! Going by the law of probability, the number of reds and blacks will even out over time, though there's no guarantee this will be worked out over the next ten spins. There's a pattern of Black predominating, so it's a risk not to go with that.
Actually no. The ratio approaches 50%/50% but numerical difference between red and black can even grow. 10/11 is 0.476/0.524 but 1000/1005 is 0.4988/0.5012
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It means jackshit, since there's no code to find.
Of course you have a chance troll. But it's a random chance, which is why there's no code to find. If there is a code, and you found it, why are you here posting, instead of breaking the bank in Las Vegas? You can skip answering - it was a rhetorical question.
Fiction would be if in a spin of the roulette wheel, the result was potato. Something stranger than fiction is if the result of 23 spins in row coming up potato. A particular color coming up 23 times in a row? Nothing particularly fictional or strange about that. Unlikely? Sure. But, again, neither fictional nor strange.
There's no pattern - each spin is statistically independent of all previous spins. There's no correlation between what came up before and what will come up next.
You must be one stubborn moron! If I've found the code that obviously means that there IS a code (which I'll be using soon), and you're full of hogwash. The jackshit, as you say, here is the garbage you keep spouting. I've explained my stance, and why I take it, in all my posts, so go and read them. By the way, patterns can apparently be formed from random chance events because that is precisely what has happened, you asinine troll. And the only thing coming up potato is your queer mouth shovelling out spuds of rubbish! You're lucky I'm taking the time to explain things plainly to a nonsensical fellow such as yourself.
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I haven't cracked it yet but if I beg sometimes on roulette the girl will show me her boobs.
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Jon for god sakes, you are the exact stereotypical gambling addict. Preach about all your system's, but never report back about their results, why...because they failed and you now are working on a new system, it's a circle jerk, I feel sorry for you, study history and maybe that will help you.
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Jon for god sakes, you are the exact stereotypical gambling addict. Preach about all your system's, but never report back about their results, why...because they failed and you now are working on a new system, it's a circle jerk, I feel sorry for you, study history and maybe that will help you.
You can send me some cash for research purposes. A few grand should cover it. ;D
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KLAUS. Your computations above appear to be based on a single '0' wheel which no longer are in play here in LV. To the best of my knowledge the last one used here in LV was at Sam's Club over ten years ago.
Your post above reminds me of the new mechanical roulette table I watched yesterday. No live dealer is involved and it's interesting to watch how it functions.
Directly above the roulette wheel there is an electronic 'score-board' which keeps statistics in percentage format about the previous 400 winning numbers and those percentage figures do compute pretty damn close to what math experts compute them to be.
For example the even/odd stats was something like 48.8%/47.3% while the remaining 3.9% was for the '0/00' pits.
Over time these percentages will 'work out' to the exact figures that math pre-determines them to be.
And the fact that there is roughly a 5.5% house advantage in this game ... means that the house will always win in the long run.
But this does not mean that you cannot win playing roulette.
You can win because ANYTHING can happen over the short term.
Difficult to explain or prove without using math and boring equations but those two additional green spaces on the wheel (0 and 00) are what
make it difficult to walk out of the casino with a lot of money in your pockets.
In essence the house should pay you $37 if your dollar is on the winning number, but they actually only pay you $35 ..... meaning that the house just made a $2 profit.
Appears strange to see it that way, but that's the way it actually works.
It works the same in the game of Craps ..... When you win, the casino pays you a bit less than what you actually deserve and the casino thereby makes a profit. It's best said ... The casino only makes a proit whe YOU win. All the other casino winning from the losers goes into a escrow account to pay off future winners.
If you can understand that, you have a good idea how the casinos make their profit.
The only bet in the house in which here is no casino advantage is the True Odds Bet which new Craps players fail to understand.
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Single Zero Roulette casino in Vegas info:
Two $25-min. tables always open; up to two other tables ($100 min.) in the hi-limit area, depending on demand $25/$100 24 hrs and/or according to demand
Bellagio
Two in Baccarat room and one on the main casino floor Baccarat room, $100; Main casino floor, $50 24 hrs
Caesars Palace
High-limit area $100 24 hrs
Cosmopolitan, The
High-limit area $100 24 hrs
Encore
High-limit area $100 ($25 occasionally) 24 hrs
M Resort
Main casino floor Weekday, $10; Weekend $25) Swing shift and/or by request
Mandalay Bay
High-limit area $100 24 hrs
MGM Grand
High-limit area; The Mansion $25/$100 24 hrs; if demand, a second table is opened. Single-zero game in the Mansion usually has $100 min.
Mirage
One on the main casino floor and one in high limit area $25 24 hrs
Location Table Minimum Hours
Monte Carlo
High-limit area $25 By request only
Palazzo
Main pit and Baccarat Room $25/$100 Main casino floor, 24 hrs; Hi-Limit pit according to demand
Paris
High-limit area $100 By request only
Planet Hollywood
High-limit area $100 By request only
Riviera
Main pit $5 or $10 Mainly 24 hrs, unless no demand
Venetian
Main pit and Baccarat Room $25/$100 Main casino floor, 24 hrs; Hi-Limit pit according to demand
Wynn Las Vegas
High-limit area $100 ($25 occasionally) 24 hrs
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THANKS, TOMMY! I honestly thought that those tables were all long-gone.
But after noticing those table minimums, I can see why I've never noticed them.
I'm more of a cheap assed penny slot/$3 table gambler. I politely refer to myself as a Whale Turd type of casino guy.
I'm cheap but I'm constant and can be found in 3 to 4 casinos on a daily basis .... mostly to collect the free stuff they give to constant visitors,,, such as the free bottle of wine I got yesterday and some kind of pressure cooker I gotta pick up today.
And whhle visiting these casinos I do my best to discuss business with Floor Supervisors and higher ups and casino owners when possible.
The casino people who worked when the Boyz ran this place are now few and far between but when I find one or two we always take the time to talk about what a great town this usrd to be and what's wrong with it today.
No time to discuss those details now but I do have two pet peeves which I always complain about.
1. The casinos that gett away with paying even money or 6-5 for a Blackjack. (Long story here also.)
2, And one major local casino that always (cept on weekends) has vacant tables due to their $10 minimum bet policy while their competition down the road is always busy with $5 mins. If I ran this place, someone would be looking for another job.
THANKS for the single 'O' info. Tommy. I'll check them out this week.
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If any vendor is selling a so called 'tested and proven system' - run the other way, as fast as you can. Save your thousand dollars or whatever it costs and try your own approach. If you are failing on paper, you will never pass in the real world. Furthermore, if the system was that good, they wouldn't be selling it.
I work in finance and play on the biggest casino in the world for nearly a decade, and have seen it all. We use various quant methods with in house black-box systems. These systems are not fail safe, no matter how much we tinker with them or spend on them. So you always work alongside the systems, and never leave them alone for too long.
Furthermore, the company gets so called "system" pitches every week, with people professing they they have found the secret. Really? These systems don't come cheap. They can cost anywhere from a few thousand to twenty thousand dollars or more. Our first obvious question is "why are you selling it then?" and "why not raise some capital and make it work for yourself?". Everything works great on curve fitting when back tested. That is what the success of most systems is predicated on - curve fitting. You put that system to work in the real world, it's guaranteed to fail after working for a few days to few weeks. Key to any system is to avoid curve fitting in back testing.
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Before I run out to pick up my pressure cooker (Orleans) and free beer and pizza lunch (Ellis Island) .... Tommy's single '0' post above reveals something that may be of interest to one or two of you GetBiggrers.
As you can see by reading TW's post .... You have to sit at high minimum roulette tables to take advantage of the lower House Edge that a single '0'
table offers .... about 2.5% if I recall correctly.
I think that this is another BS move on the casino's part but they do it because some gamnlers could care less when it comes to allowing the casino to 'control' their ganbling dollar.
The same shit happens when you try to find a one or two deck Blackjack table. You pay the price through higher minimums.
I'm sure the casinos have a name for this new modus operandi, but I have no idea what it's called.
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Thanks, Randi. Your post is a bit beyond my understanding but I think we're in complete agreement about the fraudulent nature of casino systems.
I have a problem of assuming that an individual is very intelligent when and if he agrees with me ..... and very dumb when he does not.
YOU are a very smart individual..
Do you recall that $20,000 system?
BTW ... one of the very dumb guys recently bought a $2,000 package of various systems, found out that they were useless. and then offered them all for free over the net in an attempt to bust the system seller.
Gonna pick up a pressure cooker~
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THANKS, TOMMY! I honestly thought that those tables were all long-gone.
But after noticing those table minimums, I can see why I've never noticed them.
I'm more of a cheap assed penny slot/$3 table gambler. I politely refer to myself as a Whale Turd type of casino guy.
I'm cheap but I'm constant and can be found in 3 to 4 casinos on a daily basis .... mostly to collect the free stuff they give to constant visitors,,, such as the free bottle of wine I got yesterday and some kind of pressure cooker I gotta pick up today.
And whhle visiting these casinos I do my best to discuss business with Floor Supervisors and higher ups and casino owners when possible.
The casino people who worked when the Boyz ran this place are now few and far between but when I find one or two we always take the time to talk about what a great town this usrd to be and what's wrong with it today.
No time to discuss those details now but I do have two pet peeves which I always complain about.
1. The casinos that gett away with paying even money or 6-5 for a Blackjack. (Long story here also.)
2, And one major local casino that always (cept on weekends) has vacant tables due to their $10 minimum bet policy while their competition down the road is always busy with $5 mins. If I ran this place, someone would be looking for another job.
THANKS for the single 'O' info. Tommy. I'll check them out this week.
$10 is nothing. Belagio is $25 min all the time. Place blows ass.
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You can send me some cash for research purposes. A few grand should cover it. ;D
you'll need it when your broke
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KLAUS. Your computations above appear to be based on a single '0' wheel which no longer are in play here in LV. To the best of my knowledge the last one used here in LV was at Sam's Club over ten years ago.
Your post above reminds me of the new mechanical roulette table I watched yesterday. No live dealer is involved and it's interesting to watch how it functions.
Directly above the roulette wheel there is an electronic 'score-board' which keeps statistics in percentage format about the previous 400 winning numbers and those percentage figures do compute pretty damn close to what math experts compute them to be.
For example the even/odd stats was something like 48.8%/47.3% while the remaining 3.9% was for the '0/00' pits.
Over time these percentages will 'work out' to the exact figures that math pre-determines them to be.
And the fact that there is roughly a 5.5% house advantage in this game ... means that the house will always win in the long run.
But this does not mean that you cannot win playing roulette.
You can win because ANYTHING can happen over the short term.
Difficult to explain or prove without using math and boring equations but those two additional green spaces on the wheel (0 and 00) are what
make it difficult to walk out of the casino with a lot of money in your pockets.
In essence the house should pay you $37 if your dollar is on the winning number, but they actually only pay you $35 ..... meaning that the house just made a $2 profit.
Appears strange to see it that way, but that's the way it actually works.
It works the same in the game of Craps ..... When you win, the casino pays you a bit less than what you actually deserve and the casino thereby makes a profit. It's best said ... The casino only makes a proit whe YOU win. All the other casino winning from the losers goes into a escrow account to pay off future winners.
If you can understand that, you have a good idea how the casinos make their profit.
The only bet in the house in which here is no casino advantage is the True Odds Bet which new Craps players fail to understand.
Well, at least you made a ton of dough from the $35, right? That's what I'm talking about, making money. So what were the next 10 numbers that came up, following the 15 you posted?
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you'll need it when your broke
This guy isn't broke.
http://www.rouletteguysecret.com/
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JOM. I'm glad you asked .... the next 10 numbers that came up, following the 15 I posted earlier were:
33 Black
7 Red
22 Black
38 Black
9 Red
11 Black
28 Black
9 Red
31 Red
I believe you saw a Red streak and were planning to bet on Red for the next 9 - 10 spins.
I'll let you figure out your loses.
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JON, I have a very nice bridge I'd like to offer you for a fair price.
It's in Brooklyn.
I'll even throw in a genuine Rolex watch .... made in China.
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JOM. I'm glad you asked .... the next 10 numbers that came up, following the 15 I posted earlier were:
33 Black
7 Red
22 Black
38 Black
9 Red
11 Black
28 Black
9 Red
31 Red
I believe you saw a Red streak and were planning to bet on Red for the next 9 - 10 spins.
I'll let you figure out your loses.
Let me see. According to my normal "Win Line" system, I would have won my system bet by the 8th spin (you only posted 9 results). If I had bet on ALL Red though, and adjusting the "Win Line' system to that, I would have lost only 1% of my total bank. What's the last (10th) number?
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JON, I have a very nice bridge I'd like to offer you for a fair price.
It's in Brooklyn.
I'll even throw in a genuine Rolex watch .... made in China.
Are you referring to the Roulette Guy Secret system? I was just posting that for information's sake, but, in all fairness, you never know till you give it a try. Don't be overly suspicious to the point of excluding everything! Some systems, like mine (as proven by the numbers you posted), obviously do work.
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Let me see. According to my normal "Win Line" system, I would have won my system bet by the 8th spin (you only posted 9 results). If I had bet on ALL Red though, and adjusting the "Win Line' system to that, I would have lost only 1% of my total bank. What's the last (10th) number?
LOL... a "system" for predicting the outcome of random events. If you really have such a system then why are you on getbig, talking big, instead of on a casino floor, winning big? Talk is cheap big boy! Go break the bank.
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Are you referring to the Roulette Guy Secret system? I was just posting that for information's sake, but, in all fairness, you never know till you give it a try. Don't be overly suspicious to the point of excluding everything! Some systems, like mine (as proven by the numbers you posted), obviously do work.
then mr smarty pants, go out and use your system to make millions, billions, why waste it talking to us on getbig? ;D
it's sad to see, but you are the exact copy of every addicted gambler out there, they spew the same old bullshit.
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Finding a Biased Wheel at the Casino
The thing about biased roulette wheels is it usually takes many spins before noticing a pattern. Usually only a few thousand spins is sufficient. You won't get much help with the red or black bet. You will actually find the wheel biased towards some numbers. The ball will physically stop more often on a certain part of the wheel, which would be marked in general by a number. If you can find even a slight bias over the long term, you can improve your odds by over 4% and this would easily beat the house edge.
This is certainly a type of cheating similar to card counting in blackjack. Casinos know about this too and they despise the biased wheel problem. Since some numbers pay out more than others, it could either increase the edge of the casino or decrease the edge, depending on if a player knows about the biased wheel. Many of these wheels have become obsolete due to this concept being very well known and many smart players literally robbing the casino. Some have taken millions and there was even a famous story about a casino going broke over it. In fact, Albert Einstein made this quote after searching for a long time to beat the roulette wheel:
"You can not beat a roulette table unless you steal money from it" -Albert Einstein
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POLY,
That sounds like Diamonds Are Forever released in 1971 but I can recall the Las Vegas Strip ten years earlier when you could not find the road on windy days due to the desert sand covering it.
And the small two story hotel/motels were a half mile apart with 4x8 plywood boards on vacant desert lots in between those hotel/motels advertising Strip-front acreage at $300 each.
Much later on I was told that all that desert road-front property was owned by Mae West and W.C. Fields.
One hot day I got out of the car to take a closer look at some roadside dirt and the melting tarmac sucked off my shoe and fought my struggle to get it back.
Back then that road was just desert dirt and a melting two lane roadway. I don’t recall if it was called The Strip back then. I sort of recall that it was known as the “Road to LA”, but I could be wrong.
Three or four of those early day casinos would have nice looking but non-electric , wooden sigms letting drive-bys know that it was cool inside and that you could eat all you wanted for 99 cents. I can’t recall if the word “buffet” was even used in those early days.
At Doc’s place (the Hacienda) you could drink cold Champaigne free of charge from a silver fountain which flowed all day long.
And each hotel/casino on that roadway to LA had greeters who would meet and greet you with open arms and hardy handshakes as soon as you entered the front door. Some of those greeters were major stars or sport personalities. I think George Raft bought us a few rounds one night upon our arrival at the Sands.
And if you wore your military uniform or had a Marine Corps haircut, you were treated as though you were royalty with a persomal escort to the bar where drinks were always on the house.
And soon enough the booz encouraged us to give Lady Luck a try while the Pit Bosses would always look over us and offer good advice and inform us when it was time to return to the bar to recharge our batteries befoe our next assault on Lady Luck.
There was a war on someplace and we were active combat participants and this was the casino’s way of expressing there appreciation and gratitude ...... and a $60 to a $100 win due to the help of these casino civilians was big bucks back then and truly appreciated.,
And we never hit the rack without some major casino ‘boss’ giving us his card and informing us that arrangement had been made for us Marines at the next casino down the road.
Back in those days Las Vegas had the reputation of being a service town … and that was exceptionally evident to us US service guys.
It can never be the same again but if I ever get the opportunity to show these hotel and casino owners how it was done back then, it would all change for the better for each of us.
Back then you could go downtown to Fremontr Street and tie your ass to hitching post if you could finf a vacant one or one that an old desert prospector was saddleing up to head back to God knows where to search for something that would be utterly worthless today.
One major thing that today’s casinos have forgotten to do …. Back then the casino owners or the major casino figurehead would walk the casino floor greeting his ganbling customers and slip a roll of nickels or a roll of dimes into their hands with a hardy, “Good luck!” and a. “Welcome to the Horseshoe! Thanks for coming in!”
That’s done no longer, but it sure as hell should be.
The last casino owner I’ve seen on the floor greeting his customers was Bob Stupak at the old Vegas World over ten years ago., but instead of a roll of nickles, he only offered a Polish hot-dog and a few words of encouragement.
Now-a-days it’s entirely different and Las Vegas visitors don’t expect too much when it cones to service. That’s most likely brcause they have no idea what kind of town Las Vegas use to be. They even play Blackjack where the casinos pay even money instead of 3-2. (A very dumb thing indeed!)
I recall driving from Camp Pendleton one summer afternoon in a little convertible sports car without the ‘roof' .... and reaching Baker when it was 115 degrees and purchasing a 100 pounds of ice which we dunped on the seats in an attempt to keep cool.
And driving the last 50 miles into town in first gear because the deserrt wind blew some desert dirt into our vacunn shift mechanism.
And many hours later we pulled into the fountain filled driveway of a brand bew hotel called Caesars Palace … hot and tire and dripping wet … and…
The valet guy sees us creeping up his beautiful fountain filled driveway first gear and says, “Having car problems, sir??
And before I can say, “Yes, you dumb shit” ….. he says, “It’ll be fixed and ready for you by 10 AM. Will you be needing transportation this evening, sir?”
That’s the kind of town Las Vegas used to be!
It’s got a lot to learn …. Once again.
Its gotta start over or it'll wither away like an old desert bone.
Awesome stories Stunt. How cool would Vegas be if it returned to its roots and became that service town again. The problem with Vegas in my eyes is the RICH went to Vegas to get even richer...They turned the place into the douchiest place on Earth. Its time to let some other States have the sports gambling and let Vegas just be a thing of the past.imop
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LOL... a "system" for predicting the outcome of random events. If you really have such a system then why are you on getbig, talking big, instead of on a casino floor, winning big? Talk is cheap big boy! Go break the bank.
Yes, of course, but I need some donations first for a starting bank. The system uses mathematics to give you a good chance of beating the house, but you still need to be fairly accurate.
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then mr smarty pants, go out and use your system to make millions, billions, why waste it talking to us on getbig? ;D
it's sad to see, but you are the exact copy of every addicted gambler out there, they spew the same old bullshit.
I'm broke at the moment! Where's the capital needed for my investment? :'(
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Yes, of course, but I need some donations first for a starting bank. The system uses mathematics to give you a good chance of beating the house, but you still need to be fairly accurate.
And what, precisely, are your qualifications in mathematics in general and statistics in particular troll? To be fair, I know the answer to the question is "nothing, nada, zip" based on the statements you've made so far; they've made it painfully obvious that only thing that you know about mathematics is the word.
I'm broke at the moment! Where's the capital needed for my investment? :'(
I'm sure that Kevin Trudeau has a book full of information that will teach you the tricks to getting money that "they" don't want you to know; check out his infomercial and call now, before the FTC bans it too and you're shit out of luck!
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And what, precisely, are your qualifications in mathematics in general and statistics in particular troll? To be fair, I know the answer to the question is "nothing, nada, zip" based on the statements you've made so far; they've made it painfully obvious that only thing that you know about mathematics is the word.
I'm sure that Kevin Trudeau has a book full of information that will teach you the tricks to getting money that "they" don't want you to know; check out his infomercial and call now, before the FTC bans it too and you're shit out of luck!
You pennypinching bastard, since you want me to prove myself and my methods, kindly cough up the cash right now, or shut your rubbishy mouth! I don't need qualifications in mathematics as I relied on a maths genius, you fuckin' troll. And don't worry, later I'll ask Kevin Trudeau to shove the roulette ball up your know-nothing ass. Go research my methods properly before you open your big trap, boy.
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And what, precisely, are your qualifications in mathematics in general and statistics in particular troll? To be fair, I know the answer to the question is "nothing, nada, zip" based on the statements you've made so far; they've made it painfully obvious that only thing that you know about mathematics is the word.
I'm sure that Kevin Trudeau has a book full of information that will teach you the tricks to getting money that "they" don't want you to know; check out his infomercial and call now, before the FTC bans it too and you're shit out of luck!
By the way, one of my degree course modules was Statistics, come to think of it. I didn't need to use it, though, since I tapped the skills of a maths genius as I said.
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By the way, one of my degree course modules was Statistics, come to think of it. I didn't need to use it, though, since I tapped the skills of a maths genius as I said.
Either you're a troll, or a shill, or the third option, a retard. I'm not sure which of the 3 is the worst...
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Either you're a troll, or a shill, or the third option, a retard. I'm not sure which of the 3 is the worst...
Well, you can take your pick because all three descriptions fit you perfectly, Mr NincomPOOP. :-\
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SNOW, Vegas can never return to the way it used to be but in some cases it's trying little by little.
Just the other day we were in the Cosmopolitan Casino and I stopped to ask one of the security guys where the closest men's room was .... and he didn't just point in the general direction, but he lead me to the entrance.
A small show of politeness, but definitely a step in the right direction.
But it will never really return to the good old days due tu the fact that the corporations and the bean counters have taken over and a casino owner is never seen on the casino floor greeting his customers with hardy handshakes and rolls of nickles.
The casino's personality died and was buried in the desert long ago and can't be ressurrected.
And moat 'houses' take advantage of uneducated customers by changing the games to increase the house advantage. NEVER SIT AT A GAME WHERE THE CASINO REFUSES TO PAY 3 -2 WHEN YOU GET A BLACKJACK EVEN IN A SINGLE DECK GAME.
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SNOW, Vegas can never return to the way it used to be but in some cases it's trying little by little.
Just the other day we were in the Cosmopolitan Casino and I stopped to ask one of the security guys where the closest men's room was .... and he didn't just point in the general direction, buy he lead me to the entrance.
A small show of politeness, but definitely a step in the right direction.
But it will never really return to the good old days due tu the fact that the corporations and the bean counters have taken over and a casino owner is never seen on the casino floor greeting his customers with hardy handshakes and rolls of nickles.
The casino's personality died and was buried in the desert long ago and can't be ressurrected.
And moat 'houses' take advantage of uneducated customers by changing the games to increase the house advantage. NEVER SIT AT A GAME WHERE THE CASINO REFUSES TO PAY 3 -2 WHEN YOU GET A BLACKJACK EVEN IN A SINGLE DECK GAME.
It seems that in the old days casinos cut your throat politely as opposed to now!
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TOMMY, Not sure but you may be referring to "The Man Who Broke The Bank at Monte Carlo" .... an actual event, a book, and a big hit song a good while back.
But in actuality the "bank" was not the casino's entire money as many people think.
In this case the "bank" was the chips that actually sat on that particular roulette table .... a good amount of funds but not the entire casino bankroll.
There was another book written about a bunch of guys who made a device that fit into a gambler's shoe which allowed some form of communication with a partner outside the casino regarding the procedure to follow to beat the house.
A very strange way to cheat at blackjack.
Anyone recall the name of that book?
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YEA, JON! You can say that, but back then you got a complimentary shave ad a haircut first ..... followed by a free burial in the desert.
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TOMMY, Not sure but you may be referring to "The Man Who Broke The Bank at Monte Carlo" .... an actual event, a book, and a big hit song a good while back.
But in actuality the "bank" was not the casino's entire money as many people think.
In this case the "bank" was the chips that actually sat on that particular roulette table .... a good amount of funds but not the entire casino bankroll.
There was another book written about a bunch of guys who made a device that fit into a gambler's shoe which allowed some form of communication with a partner outside the casino regarding the procedure to follow to beat the house.
A very strange way to cheat at blackjack.
Anyone recall the name of that book?
Charles Wells.
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The ultimate systems? :P
http://professionalroulettesystem.com/
http://roulettetycoon.com/
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Thanks, Doc! Wells was the Monte Carlo guy. I want to know the 'device in the shoe guys' book name.
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JON, I didn't post the tenth number. I leave that up to you based on what's happened earlier,
Give it a try.
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TOMMY. PLACES YOU PROBABLY did not see while gambling at Tahoe as promised earlier ....