found this quote on a roid board regarding training

[dj181]

and a very excellent quote it is, especially that last sentence

"The exercise doesn't so much matter really. So long as it is a heavy, multi-joint movement, it is all good.

What really matters is whether or not you are putting more weight on the machine or bar everytime you workout. If you are doing barbell benchpress, and you can no longer make gains, than switch to the Hammer machine, and vice versa.

Progression is the only thing that matters."

[trapz101]

and a very excellent quote it is, especially that last sentence

"The exercise doesn't so much matter really. So long as it is a heavy, multi-joint movement, it is all good.

What really matters is whether or not you are putting more weight on the machine or bar everytime you workout. If you are doing barbell benchpress, and you can no longer make gains, than switch to the Hammer machine, and vice versa.

Progression is the only thing that matters."

[cephissus]

how the hell can you still believe these banal fairy tales at what, 35+ years old?

even children can figure this out:

if you could add any substantial amount of weight to the bar "every time" everyone would be bench pressing five tons and squatting school buses

[Coach is Back!]

and a very excellent quote it is, especially that last sentence

"The exercise doesn't so much matter really. So long as it is a heavy, multi-joint movement, it is all good.

What really matters is whether or not you are putting more weight on the machine or bar everytime you workout. If you are doing barbell benchpress, and you can no longer make gains, than switch to the Hammer machine, and vice versa.

Progression is the only thing that matters."

Horseshit

[Seven Copper Coins]

how the hell can you still believe these banal fairy tales at what, 35+ years old?

even children can figure this out:

if you could add any substantial amount of weight to the bar "every time" everyone would be bench pressing five tons and squatting school buses

took my post...LOL.


One minute dj thinks he knows something and acts serious, the next he's "trolling"

One constant...he's always a fucking idiot.

[cephissus]

took my post...LOL.


One minute dj thinks he knows something and acts serious, the next he's "trolling"

One constant...he's always a fucking idiot.

x2 i used to find his goofy posts somewhat endearing, in a way

but three years later, after being humbled many times, he's still spouting off the "progressive overload" bullshit when STEROIDS were the only thing that allowed him to hang on to any muscle at all... it's just pathetic beyond belief.  it's like watching a bulimic girl who never shuts up about the importance of balanced eating, or some shit -- a walking contradiction almost too hard to believe.

and what the fuck is with the phony ass "alpha" attitude, which, by the way dj, is more transparent than the cling wrap over your leftovers... do you think anyone is really buying this shit?  do you ever read what you write?  actually sound the words out sometime, and tell me you don't cringe.

[Seven Copper Coins]

x2 i used to find his goofy posts somewhat endearing, in a way

but three years later, after being humbled many times, he's still spouting off the "progressive overload" bullshit when STEROIDS were the only thing that allowed him to hang on to any muscle at all... it's just pathetic beyond belief.  it's like watching a bulimic girl who never shuts up about the importance of balanced eating, or some shit -- a walking contradiction almost too hard to believe.

and what the fuck is with the phony ass "alpha" attitude, which, by the way dj, is more transparent than the cling wrap over your leftovers... do you think anyone is really buying this shit?  do you ever read what you write?  actually sound the words out sometime, and tell me you don't cringe.

I know i do.....LOL.

Comprehensive brutal pwnage, BTW.

[dj181]

Horseshit

why is it horseshit, in your opinion?

[dj181]

here's a direct quote from your buddy lyle mcdonald concerning progressive overload

"First off, I want to make the point that the primary stimulus for muscle growth is progressive tension overload; that is, you must subject a muscle to progressive overload (primarily in the form) of lifting more weight over time.   This is discussed in more detail in Reps Per Set for Optimal Growth.

Other factors such as volume/fatigue/work (and frequency) are clearly important but, simply, if you’re not getting stronger (and here I’m assuming that you’re not changing your form to handle more weight) over time, along with providing sufficient calories and building blocks, you’re not growing.

Quick note: this doesn’t mean you have to add weight at every workout which is the HIT fallacy.  Depending on your level of development, you might add weight every workout, you might stay at a given weight for 2-3 workouts or it might be 2-3 weeks before you can add weight in good form.  But, if over some reasonable time frame, your training weights aren’t increasing, you won’t be growing."

[BigCyp]

dj181 has replaced shizzo as getbig's most annoying bottom feeder.

[dj181]

dj181 has replaced shizzo as getbig's most annoying bottom feeder.

how's your training coming along? are you gaining any muscle?

[BigCyp]

how's your training coming along? are you gaining any muscle?

What do you think I train for, the free water at the fountain?

[dj181]

What do you think I train for, the free water at the fountain?

have you ever posted pics here?

[BigCyp]

have you ever posted pics here?

Yes several times, but not with the desperation and intensity you have displayed of late.

[Coach is Back!]

yes, always keep training like that, the one who claims this "knows his stuff"

multi joint movement.ohbroth

He right about multi joint movements. Not so much with machines

[dj181]

He right about multi joint movements. Not so much with machines

what you think about hammer strength machines?

[SF1900]

He right about multi joint movements. Not so much with machines

But how does your body know what youre lifting? All it know is that there is tension being placed upon the muscle.

[dj181]

But how does your body know what youre lifting? All it know is that there is tension being placed upon the muscle.

multi joint movements allow a greater load to be used and that's basically why they are better

[jon cole]

various curl, various extension, various dumbell raise.

[luvvsuNOT]

how's your training coming along? are you gaining any muscle?

Are you?

There are many factor involve in moving more weight than simply getting bigger muscles. Why do you have to stop an exercise once you stop progressing? When you go to a new movement say bench to hammer your CNS has not adapted to it and that's why you will make progression in weight but not in muscle mass. How much muscle has Dante put on in the last five years. Zero. How much muscle have you put on in the last twenty years going back to that same side shot that you've been torturing us with for years? Zero.

What sounds good in theory doesn't translate into real world results. Correlation is not causation. That is a principle you will never understand.

[luvvsuNOT]

But how does your body know what youre lifting? All it know is that there is tension being placed upon the muscle.

As well as "time under tension" and not reps per se.

[dj181]

Are you?

There are many factor involve in moving more weight than simply getting bigger muscles. Why do you have to stop an exercise once you stop progressing? When you go to a new movement say bench to hammer your CNS has not adapted to it and that's why you will make progression in weight but not in muscle mass. How much muscle has Dante put on in the last five years. Zero. How much muscle have you put on in the last twenty years going back to that same side shot that you've been torturing us with for years? Zero.

What sounds good in theory doesn't translate into real world results. Correlation is not causation. That is a principle you will never understand.

yes i am

[cswol]

Just like CSWOL says.....if your not getting results...then what the fuck are you doing!

[no one]

Just like CSWOL says.....if your not getting results...then what the fuck are you doing!

lol. dude. we need to talk.

[no one]

how the hell can you still believe these banal fairy tales at what, 35+ years old?

even children can figure this out:

if you could add any substantial amount of weight to the bar "every time" everyone would be bench pressing five tons and squatting school buses

this.

dj is an enhanced lifter now as well.

being enhanced, its not the progressive amount of 'weight used' that creates the physique. its not rocket science. it doesnt have to be, nor is it that complicated- its the patient application of moderate doses of anabolics over time and a training methodology that applies enough resistance to the muscle being trained to force repair that will create growth.

'progressive overload' is an archaic practice. some of the best physiques i have seen rely more on isolation and chasing the pump than progressive overload.