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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Positive Bodybuilding Discussion & Talk => Pictures of Members & More => Topic started by: 240 or bust on April 11, 2005, 08:10:25 PM
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I know I talk a lot of sh*t and all... but I'm a relative newbie to lifting, been lifting regularly for 2 years now. Lifted some for wrestling in high school then ignored the weights for the last 10 years.
I really need some advice. I'm 28, at 5'10 and 196 pounds. In January I bulked up to a chubby 220+.. have leaned down since, just by cutting out garbage/fast food.
Anyway, is it time to lift big and eat big, and work to add muscle to what is a very skinny frame?
Or, should I keep getting leaner and leaner?Advice? What needs help? And, lean or bulk? thanks! -240
my belly in january, then now.
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I say add some more beef, but still eat clean foods and don't cheat. No reason why you can't do both.
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yep. and today i woke up and realized i'm not a 17-year old ex-con in a cold state, too poor to buy a digi camera.
Yep, that life would really suck, huh xkol? ;)
lol, too poor to buy a digital camera, i remember sayin that.. yo check it i jus got me a low rida truck wit 5 seats 3 1k watt amps an 2 15in subs bumpin under my seat, so you kno i cant be spendin no money ona camera i got car payments
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How about you try to maintain the lower bodyfat & add muscle slowly? Just my thoughts...
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If you want to stay natural, clean up your diet, do cardio every other day and lift regularly (proper form is essential)
if you're feeling a bit adventurous, do a nice light cycle of test prop + winstrol and you'll gain some nice quality muscle. Either way, clean up the diet and do cardio. Personally if I were you, I'd lost 5 more lbs. of fat and start from there.
Good luck.
Cpt. EQ
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If you want to stay natural.
I was skinny as a teen. I was about 5'10 155 lbs with a metab faster than rocky at a tranny convention. I bulked up to 200 lbs eating everything in sight while I ate clean I had to much fast foods etc. Anyway i got to 12 percent b fat. For me that was much to high. I started working with a National Level Competitor whom thought my potentail was good and through consultations and advice hepled me greatly with knowledge and advice. I think you should diet all the way down until you're ripped. To be honest you're prob about 175 - 180 to be ripped for real. When i dieted down i went down all the way to 178 at which i was 5.9 percent b fat on a multi caliper pinch test. Anyway i bulked out the right way to 200 lbs at 8.2 percent b fat. i wear a 32 jean with ease. My advice to you would be to do the same. Get all the fat off you and start from there. Forget scales and numbers. When you diet all the way down save as much muscle as you can... By the time you are down to bare bones you're body will ready to handle the loads of Cal's. You're genetics are not the best but they are not the worst either(you could be Royalty). Get that diet clean and diet down then bulk while including low carb days in the bulk cycle. If you need any diet advice myself and many others on this board can help you out. Anyway i got some advice you may be able to use. I have some diet plans that would cater to youre stats. Pm me and ill help you out if you want
If you're lifting for the love of it to look good and get the Broads take the advice get real lean then re bulk. you got All the time in the world.
www.mgponline.com
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Lean out. But this time, stick with it. Part of the problem is that you are ALWAYS changing your mind. Losing another 5 to 10 lbs could make a big difference.
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I get measured with calipers quite often and hover around 15% bf right now according to those measurements and I look more defined than you. So you better try to get down closer to the bodyfat percentage that you had when you sarted training, which looks like a single digit bodyfat. Then you will also know how much muscle you really gained since you started.
And as body88 pointed out very correctly: When you have low bodyfat it is much easier to add weight with a better muscle to fat ratio and it is also easier to actually verify your progress by skinfold measurements/photos/the mirror.
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Lean up dude, more muscle doesn't mean shit, if you can't see it.
Keep on the diet and the cardio, good luck.
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are the black and whites the old pics or new ones? if so, i'd say to add some more muscle. you don't look too bad now.
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240, KEEP DIETING!!!!! Lose 20 more pounds or so, and you will look better (lower your calories gradually each week). Then you can start gaining with a clean diet and stay relatively lean. You look better already, why stop now?
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How about you try to maintain the lower bodyfat & add muscle slowly? Just my thoughts...
Treat losing body fat and gaining muscle separately unless you want painfully slow results. You need to have a caloric deficit to lose fat at a decent rate, and more calories than maintainance to gain muscle at a decent rate.
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I won't rant like last time ... but growth has some good advice here that I mentioned previously, and Hedgehog also supported. Once you TRULY lean up, you'll be better off for the next bulk. A lean body should not be insulin resistant like higher BF %'s, and you will see better muscle vs. fat gain while bulking at lower BF %'s because of this. Get down low for summer man! Who cares what the scale says. It will be then that you truly see what your gains are.
When I was 198, I could still see my abs before dieting down. I figure you'll need to get down into the 170's to start lookin good. I figure that's 12-16 solid weeks of cardio every workout day and keeping the diet in check most of the time.
It does seem a bit depressing when you realize you'll have to kill all that weight on the scale, when you fought so hard to pack it on. I'm now realizing even after 1.5years of a couple bulks, that I will probably have to come down to the weight I was when I began lifting & eating... into the 160's! Bah. Makes me feel like I haven't done anything. Your mind will mess with you. BUT... regardless... I can tell in the mirror I'm not going to look the same in the 160's as I did previously. I'll be at a really low BF%, whereas before I was just scrawny with a higher BF%.
Do it!
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I found this posted @ the forums on www.bodybuilding.com concerning the 'Volume of Fat'. It hopefully may provide some motivation for you. If anyone knows what the volume of 1lb of muscle is, to compare by... pipe up. The opposite of this information would be nice to know as well. Would give you a good idea of how much larger every single pound of muscle added can make you...
Ok, so I've seen several websites that show various replicas of what five pounds of fat looks like, typically in the form of a yellow rubbery substance in a roughly cylindrical shape. Initially I was shocked by the large volume, and it gave me a new perspective on fat loss. Losing just 5 pounds might not seem like a whole lot (unless you're already at a relatively low bodyfat %) but seeing what it actually looked like made me realize that it really is.
The thing is, I really wanted something like one of those replicas that I could hold in my hands and see in person to get the full effect. Since I don't have $75 dollars to order one (there are several sites that sell them) I decided to make my own model, somehow.
So first I had to find out the density of human body fat. A frequently referenced study that I found on the net put it at .9g/cm^3. One cm^3 is a mL, so with a few calculations, you get a density of 1.98 lbs. / Liter. This is a very practical way of expressing the density because so many common beverage containers are measured in liters. So with some rounding:
1 lb. of fat = .5 Liters
2 lb. of fat = 1 Liter
4 lb. of fat = 2 Liters
7.5 lb of fat = 1 Gallon
So, say you lose two pounds a week, pure fat, and retain your muscle mass. After 2 weeks you don't see a huge change, but you know you're down 4 pounds of fat and want an objective way of visualizing what that looks like. Go grab a 2 liter bottle. There you go. That's the size of the fat that you lost. Say you keep going at that rate, 2 lb. a week. Two more weeks, you're down 8 lbs. total. Grab a gallon of milk and take a good look at it. That's pretty close to how much you've lost in fat volume (you've actually lost .22 liters more, but there's some air at the top, so...).
So next time you get discouraged about the rate of your fat loss or the fact that you don't notice a huge difference in your gut or love handles, just remember that even one pound is a significant volume, and great progress.
And attached is a photograph of what 5lbs of Fat should look like....
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I guess I'll answer my own question. The density of muscle is, according to most websites I've searched on = 1.056 g/cm^3.
The density is GREATER than fat. Not by a lot, but just keep in mind that for every LB of muscle you DID add, even if you came back down to the scrawny 160's or 170's, you'll be much larger than you were to begin with, IMO.
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It appears to be roughly the same, though muscle is more dense like mentioned... so you'll weigh more while actually being smaller. D'oh >:( my bad. Ah well.
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I think I recall muscle weighs 5 or 7 times more than fat?
A pound of muscle = a pound of fat.
Its the mass of the two that is different. Muscle is like 2/3 smaller than fat in mass size.
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ahh yes, the old 'which is heavier, a ton of feathers or a ton of bricks' logic.
yeah, I meant more dense or whatever.
I have a question... can anyone do that math on this one...
How thick (in inches or pixels) would 10 pounds add to the surface of the entire body? I know the head and feet might not grow at same velocity as belly.. but averaged.
I guess you'd have to (somehow) measure the surface area of the human body, then... um... ?
I can't believe I just wasted 10 mins of my life figuring this out, but here ya go:
Lots of formulas for approximating surface area of the body. I used the Mosteller formula:
BSA (m²) = ( [Height(cm) x Weight(kg) ]/ 3600 )^½
5'10"=177.8cm
196#=88.904kg
Your surface area is [(177x88.904)/3600]^1/2 = 2.09meters^2
Using the figures from brizzads post, 10#=5.05 liters of fat.
5.05/2.095m^2=2.4 liters per m^2
1 liter=1mm spread over 1m^2
so...
10# spread over your entire body would equal about a 2.4mm thickness - about 1/10 of an inch everywhere.
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240, my suggestions to you (these aren't meant to be insults, just a wake-up call):
You need to clear your head and start over the right way. There comes a point in almost everyone's training (particularly natural trainers) where they realize that they have been wasting a lot of time by trying to incorporate advise which is either: (i) better suited for people using AS, or (ii) better suited for no one and really just designed to sell another silly magazine. You various pics aren't showing progress, they are showing different camera angles, poses, and lighting.
You make a lot of assertions about working harder than others, doing different routines out of magazines (some sort of shoulder routine), and about how your dedication allows you to do things differently (your claim that one will not overtrain by going five days a week if they eat enough). However, your results are falling short of where they should be. You are using your genetics as a cop-out, rather than accepting that fact that your short-comings are more likely related to your approach.
I would suggest throwing away all the muscle magazines, as well as everything you think you know. Put on your shirt and put away the camera. Learn how to really lift heavy weights and learn how to recover. Stop trying to give advice and instead read advice from credible sources. Realize that an anonymous BB is probably not the best place to get advice, nor is some guy who has a good body, but really no idea how it got that way.
If you want some good starting advice for good sources of reading materials and how to get on the right track, try to ask Gary for some advice in the training forum.
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240, my suggestions to you (these aren't meant to be insults, just a wake-up call):
You need to clear your head and start over the right way. There comes a point in almost everyone's training (particularly natural trainers) where they realize that they have been wasting a lot of time by trying to incorporate advise which is either: (i) better suited for people using AS, or (ii) better suited for no one and really just designed to sell another silly magazine. You various pics aren't showing progress, they are showing different camera angles, poses, and lighting.
You make a lot of assertions about working harder than others, doing different routines out of magazines (some sort of shoulder routine), and about how your dedication allows you to do things differently (your claim that one will not overtrain by going five days a week if they eat enough). However, your results are falling short of where they should be. You are using your genetics as a cop-out, rather than accepting that fact that your short-comings are more likely related to your approach.
I would suggest throwing away all the muscle magazines, as well as everything you think you know. Put on your shirt and put away the camera. Learn how to really lift heavy weights and learn how to recover. Stop trying to give advice and instead read advice from credible sources. Realize that an anonymous BB is probably not the best place to get advice, nor is some guy who has a good body, but really no idea how it got that way.
If you want some good starting advice for good sources of reading materials and how to get on the right track, try to ask Gary for some advice in the training forum.
what a great advice this is !
clap clap clap
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I agree with what others have said. Keep cutting. Just do it very slow, so you don't lose a ton of muscle along with it.
I'd put you somewhere north of 15%, and IMO that should be the highest you ever go, even at the end of a bulk. I don't like to go higher than 13-14% max, then cut back to 8-9% in each cycle. If you're 16 or 17%+, you've got no business bulking. I know there are some that will disagree with this, but I guarantee you 90% of then have never seen their abs.
(note - this advice is for natural training. Obviously, different rules apply if you're "on".)
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A pound of muscle = a pound of fat.
Its the mass of the two that is different.
i think you mean volume .... their mass is both 1lb but their density is different so muscle has a smaller volume
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i think you mean volume .... their mass is both 1lb but their density is different so muscle has a smaller volume
you got it v-power, this concept (mass vs weight vs density) is not as intuitive as many people think
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you need to train those legs man before throwing those gross hairy pics of them up!
Sorry!
Great job on weight loss though!
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240: your may want to consider starting (with serious intent) power rack, partial muscle range training along with power lifting. If a rapid increase of pure muscle gain is the goal , say 15-20 lbs (muscle) over the summer, than your going to have to begin training like the Big Boys do. Don't know if your local area has any heavy duty gyms but you might want to make the effort to find one and also a proper trainer. Though a 400 squat is a nice weight you could be doing reps with 440 & partial lockouts with close to 600 quicker than you think. Gain the muscle mass first than focus on cutting out the body fat. You must develop the foundation first. With this type of training muscle size does follow strength increases.
I see these gains in a somewhat short period over and over again with the athletes who have to gain muscle mass in a two to three month period. They also tend to reduce body fat as their training steps up. These are mostly college guy's with a few high schooler's now and than. Most are benching near 350, cleaning near 300 , DL'ing middle 400's and squating 420 range after three months. They don't have the ripped BB'ing look but the do develop the powerfull rugged look. Good Luck.
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240, my suggestions to you (these aren't meant to be insults, just a wake-up call):
You need to clear your head and start over the right way. There comes a point in almost everyone's training (particularly natural trainers) where they realize that they have been wasting a lot of time by trying to incorporate advise which is either: (i) better suited for people using AS, or (ii) better suited for no one and really just designed to sell another silly magazine. You various pics aren't showing progress, they are showing different camera angles, poses, and lighting.
You make a lot of assertions about working harder than others, doing different routines out of magazines (some sort of shoulder routine), and about how your dedication allows you to do things differently (your claim that one will not overtrain by going five days a week if they eat enough). However, your results are falling short of where they should be. You are using your genetics as a cop-out, rather than accepting that fact that your short-comings are more likely related to your approach.
I would suggest throwing away all the muscle magazines, as well as everything you think you know. Put on your shirt and put away the camera. Learn how to really lift heavy weights and learn how to recover. Stop trying to give advice and instead read advice from credible sources. Realize that an anonymous BB is probably not the best place to get advice, nor is some guy who has a good body, but really no idea how it got that way.
If you want some good starting advice for good sources of reading materials and how to get on the right track, try to ask Gary for some advice in the training forum.
You are so right 8)
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You are so right 8)
yesterday you were going to delete your account. Back so soon?
talk shit about me and i'll be happy to bring back the slideshow and one that's a *tad* bit worse. keep my name out your dental and we can be cool.
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yesterday you were going to delete your account. Back so soon?
talk shit about me and i'll be happy to bring back the slideshow and one that's a *tad* bit worse. keep my name out your dental and we can be cool.
I notice something.....other ppl tell you how badly you look and what you need to do to improve and you dont say nothing to them but when i agree with them you diss me....make all the slides,gifs, you want......actually i encourage you to do that because thats what makes you feel good.....when you look in the mirror you must not feel good about yourself to put other ppl down who actually works out and looks a whole lot better than you.....good luck
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240, my suggestions to you (these aren't meant to be insults, just a wake-up call):
You need to clear your head and start over the right way. There comes a point in almost everyone's training (particularly natural trainers) where they realize that they have been wasting a lot of time by trying to incorporate advise which is either: (i) better suited for people using AS, or (ii) better suited for no one and really just designed to sell another silly magazine. You various pics aren't showing progress, they are showing different camera angles, poses, and lighting.
You make a lot of assertions about working harder than others, doing different routines out of magazines (some sort of shoulder routine), and about how your dedication allows you to do things differently (your claim that one will not overtrain by going five days a week if they eat enough). However, your results are falling short of where they should be. You are using your genetics as a cop-out, rather than accepting that fact that your short-comings are more likely related to your approach.
I would suggest throwing away all the muscle magazines, as well as everything you think you know. Put on your shirt and put away the camera. Learn how to really lift heavy weights and learn how to recover. Stop trying to give advice and instead read advice from credible sources. Realize that an anonymous BB is probably not the best place to get advice, nor is some guy who has a good body, but really no idea how it got that way.
If you want some good starting advice for good sources of reading materials and how to get on the right track, try to ask Gary for some advice in the training forum.
Dude, this is great advice. 240, go back to the basics. Not a flame but re-evaluate your goals and change your name to something like build a decent build or bust. I'm wondering if you even know SPECIFICALLY what your goals really are? I may have missed that somewhere, forgive me if I did but sometimes just putting up a lofty goal like getting to 240, if you don't have a clear cut plan, you'll spend your time floating and wasting time.
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Ok, so how has training been since these pics?
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Do you even lift weights?
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shut the fu.ck up "stallion", he looks like he lifts, just because he's not an IFBB pro doesn't mean he doesn't lift, what do you look like queer? where's your pics?
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Wow, you and I actually agree on something.
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shut the fu.ck up "stallion", he looks like he lifts, just because he's not an IFBB pro doesn't mean he doesn't lift, what do you look like queer? where's your pics?
Sorry, didn't know a tribal tattoo on the shoulder meant somebody worked out.
I posted my pics already, kiddie.
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A pound of muscle = a pound of fat.
Its the mass of the two that is different. Muscle is like 2/3 smaller than fat in mass size.
as far as im aware muscle is 50% heavier that fat in equal masses
Id say lean down a little more and start lifting for size at a controlled rate, i.e. looking to add pure muscle with minimal fat over a period of 6-12 months at first THEN evaluate your progress. Youre too inpatient, you wont look any different from 1 week to the next so shut yourself away, stop taking pics and go for it.
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yep, that is what i'm doing. getting lean. shocking the hell out of my body, doing cardio for an hour a day, 5 days a week, after beating a health scare. I'm kicking ass now :)
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yep, that is what i'm doing. getting lean. shocking the hell out of my body, doing cardio for an hour a day, 5 days a week, after beating a health scare. I'm kicking ass now :)
an hour? fuck that.
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stay motivated looks like you are progressing
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Just curious 240, how intense do you train? I have a friend who I have lifted with in the past and you to look to have the same look. Judging by the pics you look a bit soft as does my friend. He doesnt train to the point of pain, just enough that he can do without struggling. On the otherhand I train to failure every time and I look much harder, and I'm not more lean than him. I dunno just a suggestion.
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stay motivated looks like you are progressing
he still looks like shit, and he always will. he's dieting down when he has no muscle, he's gonna look like shit, he has a disgusting physique to say the least. and he's a major geek. 240 is a fag.
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Man, you're making progress, keep it up and hit it hard!
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i've seen some of your other posts dude. i think you beat up on yourself too much, and take yourself too seriouly! lighten up! anyway, i don't think you look that skinny now. you could go either way, depending on your own personal goals. i' say get bigger! i'm 5'6, 185, and i was trying to lose my smallpaunch that i have. but, i'm not so sure anymore if i want to lose the weight and get smaller, or if i want to just say f' it and just get bigger in the upper bod to counteract my small gut!
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ADDD MORE MUSCLE PAL THE NEXT TIME U POST IN FOIR SURE WE WOULD BE SUPRISED YEAP DUDE KEEP ON THE GREAT LIFTIN ::) ;D
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god, you suck 240!
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what are your goals muscle wise? jay cutler or fitness model? somewhere inbetween? some guy said something about not training till point of failure. I think u should start cheating a lot more on the weights like ronnie or jjackson. maybe that explosive training will give you what u need.
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why don't you start by working out
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Lol, Cardio, working out, going back to basics. Sure ok; lol. ::)
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yep, that is what i'm doing. getting lean. shocking the hell out of my body, doing cardio for an hour a day, 5 days a week, after beating a health scare. I'm kicking ass now :)
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yeah wheres the regular 240 update
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ey 240,
lose as much fat as you can, even if that means living the hard way.
tuna and water, eggwhites and toasted bread, ahh, you know what I mean
and then add muscle ounce by ounce and doing it the "patient" way. Do you think a good fundament should be build in 1 week? It takes years and years to develope a respectable physique if you are building without the juice. Just accept that. Just get rid of the fat and start over new.
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Dude,you have the nerv to talk shit ,after seeing you pics you need to humble yourself,and learn some respect.
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Dude,you have the nerv to talk shit ,after seeing you pics you need to humble yourself,and learn some respect.
The guy has a good squat though. He claims 405 lbs for 20 reps and 500 lbs for 5.
Anyone who's put up those kinds of numbers as a life time natural, can thrash talk IMO.
YIP
Zack
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The guy has a good squat though. He claims 405 lbs for 20 reps and 500 lbs for 5.
Anyone who's put up those kinds of numbers as a life time natural, can thrash talk IMO.
YIP
Zack
hmmm zack
cmon now...
405 for 20 reps.... yet 500 only for 5..
i know he might be ur bredrin and all.. but...
please...
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405 for 20 seems very dubious...
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hmmm zack
cmon now...
405 for 20 reps.... yet 500 only for 5..
i know he might be ur bredrin and all.. but...
please...
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405 for 20 seems very dubious...
Sorry mes, I mixed up the lifts of 240. As you see in the quoted text below, he's done 455 for 5 reps. Not 500 for 5...
To get a good idea of the feat 240 has done, we got a guy in my powerlifting club who squats 600 lbs raw, belt only. I doubt he's able to do 405 lbs for 20 reps though.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=32073.msg500661#msg500661
yes, you have greater genetic potential? THis is probably true. We all have different starting lines. Mine were 11 inches at age 23, at 120 pounds. THis is a fact. The pics show it lol... they're very very thin. Just genetics. My whole family is like that. I coudn;t bench 100 or squat 150. I was all bone.
Now, 5 years later, I can squat 455 for 5 parallel reps, I can Deadlift 385 for 8 reps, and bench 275 for 2 reps.
I see your point muscleboy, and i also see the point of others who say i should cut down to 175 then move back up. My arms are still small- I've only been training them for 5 months now. Before that it was all compound movements, so they lag greatly. SO, what I'm currently doing, is lifting heavier than ever, cutting all cheat food but eating enough calories, and figuring it out...
YIP
Zack
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well, I was 220 at the time, all i did was power movements. had knee wraps and belt on. And it was more of, exploding up, than proper squatting.
Now that I use proper form, I go lighter. In order for me to squat that much with horrible shaky form and execution I wasn't doing much for legs.
I don't know if it makes sense... but when you do squats, do you press up with your arms too? When I do them now, I let the weight sit on my upper back and let me legs do the work, slowly. Back then, to get the weight up, I'd push with my arms while lifting with my legs, violent and shaky. Not sure if it makes sense. in retrospect, squatting that much with that kinda form was stupid and I wouldn't recommend it.
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Pushing up wouldnt do anything unless you were just doing 2 plates or so on each side, I doubt that most people can shoulder press that much weight and even if you could it wouldnt effect the difficulty of the squat in the legs... you would still have to go down and up. If you were doing 400 or w e all pushing up will do is make ur triceps and shoulder tried, maybe relieve a lil off ur upper back/neck.
you're not seeing it. my back, shoulders, and arms were able to take maybe 100 off the leg part. See what I mean? It was jolting and in retrospect, not safe. but I did move that much weight to parallel. honest. Just not safely.
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Unless you were throwing the the bar and the weights up in the air as you were going up and then catching it as you went down you would still be squatting the same amount through out the movement LOL
I know it sounds weird... but try it. Put an easy 135 on your shoulders. Do a few reps using ONLY your legs to move your body. Then do a few using your arms/shoulders to help redistribute the weight as you explode up. It does help make the weight easier. I learned this little trip early on and it allowed me to explode the reps up.
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I think it has to do with energy displacement or leverage, etc. Like, I was able to shift part of the weight, however slight, for a fraction of a second which moved load from my thighs to back, etc.
I could be wrong, but I'd like to hear an expert's take on this. I know for a fact I can squat more with upper body "ruckus" than with proper form.
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well, I was 220 at the time, all i did was power movements. had knee wraps and belt on. And it was more of, exploding up, than proper squatting.
Now that I use proper form, I go lighter. In order for me to squat that much with horrible shaky form and execution I wasn't doing much for legs.
I don't know if it makes sense... but when you do squats, do you press up with your arms too? When I do them now, I let the weight sit on my upper back and let me legs do the work, slowly. Back then, to get the weight up, I'd push with my arms while lifting with my legs, violent and shaky. Not sure if it makes sense. in retrospect, squatting that much with that kinda form was stupid and I wouldn't recommend it.
Post a pic of the knee wraps.
If you ever been squatting 405 lbs, I doubt you've exploded it up.
Unless of course, you're Shane Hamman. And you're not.
YIP
Zack
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nonetheless
455 for 5
is a good lift
specially for a natural guy
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nonetheless
455 for 5
is a good lift
specially for a natural guy
He claims 405lbs for 20 reps. And 455lbs for 5...
I don't do the seated kind with the barbell, as I usually train alone. I do standing Barbell clean and press with up to 155 times 8 reps. Seated smith machine, I get up to 2 45s on each side.
I do flat benches with 90 pound dubmmells regularly for 10 reps. Only done the 100s a few times when I had a spotter. I don't usually use DBs for incline presses since it's a long way down to drop em and get em up. I do incline hammer and bench for upper chest.
240 claims to have used knee wraps when lifting 405 for 20.
Use kneewraps, they reduce hydrostatic pressure. Makes it easier and safer to squat while still working your leg muscles with the same force.
how tight should i make them?
YIP
Zack
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hmmm 405 for 20....
proper squats.... to parallel..
doubtful of that one...
but i wont trash his lift...
if he has done 405 for 20.. great but...
hmmm
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I don't know if it makes sense... but when you do squats, do you press up with your arms too?
No. squats areren't an arm movement.
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bump!
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bump!
glad to hear that mainlining ibuprofin hasn't killed ya yet, mikey!
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He claims 405lbs for 20 reps. And 455lbs for 5...
240 claims to have used knee wraps when lifting 405 for 20.
YIP
Zack
sounds like somebody is lying :o
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sounds like somebody is lying :o
Sounds like someone is about as smart as a shoebox full of shit.
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glad to hear that mainlining ibuprofin hasn't killed ya yet, mikey!
hhahahah!! it was "touch and go for awhile there
would nubain be any better?
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Is there no more love between Arvy and 240?
What have I missed?
240 crossed the line when he posted my great grandmothers cell phone #
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frozz some guy called me and wanted ur phone #
some bullcrap about wanting me/you to do a show (they pay all entry fees,free product ..protien powder etc,prolly gotta do 1 of those before and after pics also,some new magazine "american muscle something.......)
interested?
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hhahahah!! it was "touch and go for awhile there
would nubain be any better?
You need some blood in your Advilstream, man!
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Is there no more love between Arvy and 240?
What have I missed?
Let's just say Rob got his cardio this week doing the Ladies Man shuffle out the apartment window when mikey came home early from the ER!
If he hadn't been pulling that dialysis machine, he just might have caught me!
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lol.
Serious or joking? ??? ;D
dead serious
prolly have to say you used x y or z product and thats what got us into "contest shape"
pm me for the guys number
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dead serious
prolly have to say you used x y or z product and thats what got us into "contest shape"
pm me for the guys number
I just read Big G Man was looking for a manwhore.
I'm sure the two have NOTHING to do with one of each other.
Yes. I'm sure of it. Nothing.
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Arvilla your great grandmother has more defined pecs than you and more size on her legs.
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Bump ;D
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Whatever happened to that photo/article of a 16 year old 240 in one of the BB magazines ? It may have been FLEX or MUSCLEMAG . I can not be certain . The photo/article itself wasn't impressive but what made it memorable was the fact that it wasn't consistent with 240's claims about how long he had been training .
LESSON 2 for 240 :
The truth is easier to remember than a lie .
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Whatever happened to that photo/article of a 16 year old 240 in one of the BB magazines ? It may have been FLEX or MUSCLEMAG . I can not be certain . The photo/article itself wasn't impressive but what made it memorable was the fact that it wasn't consistent with 240's claims about how long he had been training .
LESSON 2 for 240 :
The truth is easier to remember that a lie .
IS THIS THING REAL?
i thought it was photshopped.
DAMN!!!!!1
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IS THIS THING REAL?
i thought it was photshopped.
DAMN!!!!!1
oh shock, 240 lies? NO WAY... ;D That pic looks painful like his shoulder is about to pop from his body.
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Has 240 gone into hiding or has he done something terrible to himself ?
Oh my GOD don't tell me that I could be partly responsible .
Maybe while we joke and take a shot at 240 he could be lying there .......recovering from a heavy session of lifting weights .
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Has 240 gone into hiding or has he done something terrible to himself ?
Oh my GOD don't tell me that I could be partly responsible .
Maybe while we joke and take a shot at 240 he could be lying there .......recovering from a heavy session of lifting weights .
Dude, you have 30 posts. I post that much while passing my dinner corn. get real.
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Dude, you have 30 posts. I post that much while passing my dinner corn. get real.
rob thats photshopped right, werent you in akon then?
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Dude, you have 30 posts. I post that much while passing my dinner corn. get real.
This is 240's response ??? LOL,... Why the hell do pros take you serious? My guess is they DO NOT. You're like a little brat sitting there hanging your finger to the side of their faces saying, "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you" mix in some testosterone, low carbs and bang, the attention whore gets his fix.
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This is 240's response ??? LOL,... Why the hell do pros take you serious? My guess is they DO NOT. You're like a little brat sitting there hanging your finger to the side of their faces saying, "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you" mix in some testosterone, low carbs and bang, the attention whore gets his fix.
Berserker is on fire today!
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Dude, you have 30 posts. I post that much while passing my dinner corn. get real.
I can not see how you manage to intimidate guys on this board if that is you best retort 240 .
Your mind is as feeble as your body 240.
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Has 240 gone into hiding or has he done something terrible to himself ?
Oh my GOD don't tell me that I could be partly responsible .
Maybe while we joke and take a shot at 240 he could be lying there .......recovering from a heavy session of lifting weights .
Dude, you have 30 posts. I post that much while passing my dinner corn. get real.
I can sense your anger 240 and it scares me . I therefore must apologise for even joking that you would ever be so down to even think about training with weights .
Please accept my most humble apology 240 and if you have another meltdown just remember this - There are many guys out there who admire and respect you . I am sure you know their names because I am sure you created them .