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I think Big Ach got one. It seems like it's not worthy money wise, and for a non-rich person it's more like you do it just because you love science and don't care about being a broke-ass student. Sort of like being a broke-ass bodybuilder but with a higher IQ <<< bodybuilding related
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Right here, what's up?
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Right here, what's up?
LOL
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Right here, what's up?
;D
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Check!
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Goodrum has a Pretty Hard Dick (no homo)
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every getbigger has at least one phd, and did some postdoctoral research
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Baygbm is a harvard PhD I believe. SF1900 is also working toward one or has one already.
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I think Big Ach got one. It seems like it's not worthy money wise, and for a non-rich person it's more like you do it just because you love science and don't care about being a broke-ass student. Sort of like being a broke-ass bodybuilder but with a higher IQ <<< bodybuilding related
A phd is a useless piece of crap, street knowledge and experience is what counts.
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Baygbm is a harvard PhD I believe. SF1900 is also working toward one or has one already.
Whoa, that's pretty cool.
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In 6 or 7 years.
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I have a masters.
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I have a masters.
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Thanks. I now wipe my ass with it and do not encourage anyone going to higher educational institutions. Colleges are a scam.
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Thanks. I now wipe my ass with it and do not encourage anyone going to higher educational institutions. Colleges are a scam.
lol
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I think Big Ach got one. It seems like it's not worthy money wise, and for a non-rich person it's more like you do it just because you love science and don't care about being a broke-ass student. Sort of like being a broke-ass bodybuilder but with a higher IQ <<< bodybuilding related
A phd is a useless piece of crap, street knowledge and experience is what counts.
After being hired for a new job 6 months ago, when I asked my boss what stuck out on my resume out of 100+ candidates, why did she pick me... she said, "you were the only one with a PhD - Even though I wasn't necessarily looking for someone with a PhD, this made you worthy of further consideration"
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After being hired for a new job 6 months ago, when I asked my boss what stuck out on my resume out of 100+ candidates, why did she pick me... she said, "you were the only one with a PhD - Even though I wasn't necessarily looking for someone with a PhD, this made you worthy of further consideration"
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Translation: She got you cheap. ;D
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Translation: She got you cheap. ;D
LOL
I wouldn't have relocated my entire family from Florida to California - for cheap ;)
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After being hired for a new job 6 months ago, when I asked my boss what stuck out on my resume out of 100+ candidates, why did she pick me... she said, "you were the only one with a PhD - Even though I wasn't necessarily looking for someone with a PhD, this made you worthy of further consideration"
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Cool, but what about the cost of opportunity? Instead of doing a doctoral program one could be working all those years as a masters which is not bad at all ???
I don't know, but I think that for most cases getting a PhD is not a good idea money wise. But of course if it is what you love to do then go for it. :)
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Cool, but what about the cost of opportunity? Instead of doing a doctoral program one could be working all those years as a masters which is not bad at all ???
I don't know, but I think that for most cases getting a PhD is not a good idea money wise. But of course if it is what you love to do then go for it. :)
If you want to be a college professor at a private university, most won't look at you without both a PhD and an exceptional resume of research. Granted, depending on the discipline, you can teach without having a PhD, but it sure helps if your trying to land a spot within Academia.
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After being hired for a new job 6 months ago, when I asked my boss what stuck out on my resume out of 100+ candidates, why did she pick me... she said, "you were the only one with a PhD - Even though I wasn't necessarily looking for someone with a PhD, this made you worthy of further consideration"
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In what field?
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Cool, but what about the cost of opportunity? Instead of doing a doctoral program one could be working all those years as a masters which is not bad at all ???
I don't know, but I think that for most cases getting a PhD is not a good idea money wise. But of course if it is what you love to do then go for it. :)
You have to remember most PhD students have the tuition waived by working as teaching or research assistants, plus you get a small salary as well ($20,000 per year approx.) so its really not as bleak as you think. I was also lucky because I had worked for a while beforehand so I had money saved up plus my wife was working full time while I was doing the PhD, as well as the money I was getting for being a research assistant, so we were living quite comfortably during that time.
If you want to be a college professor at a private university, most won't look at you without both a PhD and an exceptional resume of research. Granted, depending on the discipline, you can teach without having a PhD, but it sure helps if your trying to land a spot within Academia.
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That's a very important point, most people that do a PhD do so to teach at a university. I'm an anomaly in that I went into the corporate world, which is really very very rare.
In what field?
I live in Silicon Valley loll so you can probably guess I work in IT (software development). But my PhD is in industrial engineering
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My father was a PhDs in computer science Assembler db2 cics Rexx etc mainframe
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Some jobs require a Doctoral-level degree to do specific tasks. If you want to engages in these tasks, you have no choice but to achieve a Doctoral degree.
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Most people with PHD's have family's with money so these people can just stay in school as long as they want to. Sure it's not 100% across the board but I'd bet it's in the 85% range...
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You have to remember most PhD students have the tuition waived by working as teaching or research assistants, plus you get a small salary as well ($20,000 per year approx.) so its really not as bleak as you think. I was also lucky because I had worked for a while beforehand so I had money saved up plus my wife was working full time while I was doing the PhD, as well as the money I was getting for being a research assistant, so we were living quite comfortably during that time.
That's a very important point, most people that do a PhD do so to teach at a university. I'm an anomaly in that I went into the corporate world, which is really very very rare.
I live in Silicon Valley loll so you can probably guess I work in IT (software development). But my PhD is in industrial engineering
Whoa, cool, I thought it was way worse. I was guessing most PhDs wanted to be professors yes. I like teaching but I can't see me doing a PhD even if I had what it takes. Although I'm looking forward to do a masters, but I don't want to do it where I live, pfft our education is just not good enough.
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Whoa, cool, I thought it was way worse. I was guessing most PhDs wanted to be professors yes. I like teaching but I can't see me doing a PhD even if I had what it takes. Although I'm looking forward to do a masters, but I don't want to do it where I live, pfft our education is just not good enough.
There are many people with PhD's who do not become professors and still work in the "Real World." This mainly applies to more applied-type jobs. Those fields of study where clinical work with people is a major emphasis. Instead of working in a research lab. One is not better than the other. Its all what you want to do with the degree.
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My daughter has her Doctorate and she doesn't teach. I know this is chump change to getbiggers but she got a job making $140K right out of college. My other daughter is working on hers at the same time she is working full time. Thinks she will finish in under two years. She been in college full time for 6 years. The company she is working for is already paying her 70K and is paying most of her tuition. They said there will be a big jump in pay once she finishes. Me, I have a community college degree.
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Right here, what's up?
Ha! Excellent reply.
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There was a time when an M.Sc. actually meant something. These days, it's almost expected. Keep in mind that some companies (especially foreign companies) place a lot of value in academic credentials and a Ph.D. translates to cachet, relative independence/freedom within the corporate machine and more dollars.
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You have to remember most PhD students have the tuition waived by working as teaching or research assistants, plus you get a small salary as well ($20,000 per year approx.) so its really not as bleak as you think. I was also lucky because I had worked for a while beforehand so I had money saved up plus my wife was working full time while I was doing the PhD, as well as the money I was getting for being a research assistant, so we were living quite comfortably during that time.
That's a very important point, most people that do a PhD do so to teach at a university. I'm an anomaly in that I went into the corporate world, which is really very very rare.
I live in Silicon Valley loll so you can probably guess I work in IT (software development). But my PhD is in industrial engineering
Dr. Ach? Very impressive, sir.
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I don't have a PhD, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
What do you need to know? ;D
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Depends on your line of work...if you're a lawyer you're as good as your achievements in work...if you're a broker you're as good as the returns and big money clients you have, no PhD will save you and it means shit if I'm blunt.
But some lines of work it can open doors for you and set you apart.
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Should get mine in 2016 8)
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Should get mine in 2016 8)
Clearly not a PhD in bodybuilding
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I don't have a PhD, but I did stay at the Mirage hotel last night.
What do you need to know? ;D
fixed :D
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I think Big Ach got one. It seems like it's not worthy money wise, and for a non-rich person it's more like you do it just because you love science and don't care about being a broke-ass student. Sort of like being a broke-ass bodybuilder but with a higher IQ <<< bodybuilding related
Sort of.
No one will ever accuse you of having one.
So, that's nice. ;D
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Depends on your line of work...if you're a lawyer you're as good as your achievements in work...if you're a broker you're as good as the returns and big money clients you have, no PhD will save you and it means shit if I'm blunt.
But some lines of work it can open doors for you and set you apart.
as a degree (MBA) from Wharton gets you a front row seat at any company
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I believe that the PhD is worth it, well was for me. Jump in economic opportunity when I went from a MSc to a PhD is the biochemistry field.
Define your goal, then build a strategy to get there, an informed strategy. Within that strategy, the PhD might be helpful in getting to the goal faster or completing the goal in a more robust way.
I did mine while working full time and being married with kids, was tough and did not sleep much as I also was a GA for two classes (kept my university costs down as Big Ach or someone mentioned).
dknole
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Dr. Ach? Very impressive, sir.
If you think that's impressive you should have seen him defending his dissertation in a microthong hitting crab poses while screaming YOU CAN'T HACK THE ACH! Those crusty old academics didn't know what hit 'em.
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Falcon is the only I know to have this achievement.
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Right here.
Doctor ARS.
Vagina inspector.
http://www.healthgrades.com/physician/dr-ars-prasad-2c5m3
No joke.
Well that name and the lack of information might lead to some jokes but send your girls over for an inspection before you laugh.
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Right here.
Doctor ARS.
Vagina inspector.
http://www.healthgrades.com/physician/dr-ars-prasad-2c5m3
No joke.
Well that name and the lack of information might lead to some jokes but send your girls over for an inspection before you laugh.
Your name is Ars?
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Doctor ARS to you ARShole. ???
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fuck phd,ifbb pro card all the way
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Fortunately it is still possible in some fields to start in the mail room (literally) and work your way up.
I'm now a Senior Printed Information Distributor.
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i remember working with the US Artillery and one Americano asked me for "a writing Utensil".. i said you mean a fucking Pen ? made me laugh. lots of big names for nothing.
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My wife has her PhDDs and that is good enough for me.
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Fortunately it is still possible in some fields to start in the mail room (literally) and work your way up.
I'm now a Senior Printed Information Distributor.
I think itīs good so. People with low qualifications showed be allowed to make it.
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Cool, but what about the cost of opportunity? Instead of doing a doctoral program one could be working all those years as a masters which is not bad at all ???
I don't know, but I think that for most cases getting a PhD is not a good idea money wise. But of course if it is what you love to do then go for it. :)
Or makin' patch money in Alberta, clearing 10g's or so a month. And the place is littered with degenerates too, so if you got half a brain, some ambition and no drug problem, you'll be running a crew in a year. The oil patch is such a quagmire of drugs and alcohol that I could move there and make a living from selling my clean piss.
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You have to remember most PhD students have the tuition waived by working as teaching or research assistants, plus you get a small salary as well ($20,000 per year approx.) so its really not as bleak as you think. I was also lucky because I had worked for a while beforehand so I had money saved up plus my wife was working full time while I was doing the PhD, as well as the money I was getting for being a research assistant, so we were living quite comfortably during that time.
That's a very important point, most people that do a PhD do so to teach at a university. I'm an anomaly in that I went into the corporate world, which is really very very rare.
I live in Silicon Valley loll so you can probably guess I work in IT (software development). But my PhD is in industrial engineering
And you're only 31 years old? What did you get your PhD in?
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JD
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What did you get your PhD in?
facepalm
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I think itīs good so. People with low qualifications showed be allowed to make it.
My remark was tongue-in-cheek, I truly did start in a mail room with no qualifications and no diplomas at all. Doing a bit better now. Not Skorp1o better, but at least I have better taste in whiskey.
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I'm truly impressed that some of y'all are actively pursuing or have completed your doctorates......that's very impressive.
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I'm truly impressed that some of y'all are actively pursuing or have completed your doctorates......that's very impressive.
suck up
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I think it depends on the field. Some require it at the professional level. I will have my PsyD in 4. Although I took a long time between degrees, I had a lot of experience (life and therapy) that I have to draw on when I work with people. The ideal, to my mind, is both.
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After 3.5 years doing my PhD..... I join the company where everyone, from the CEO to the janitor, is on a first name basis. Ain't nobody calling me "Dr." lol
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After 3.5 years doing my PhD..... I join the company where everyone, from the CEO to the janitor, is on a first name basis. Ain't nobody calling me "Dr." lol
and yet it is a great accomplishment and although I hope my kids get MBA's from Wharton, I would not be disappointed with a PhD from any of my brood, ;D
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After 3.5 years doing my PhD..... I join the company where everyone, from the CEO to the janitor, is on a first name basis. Ain't nobody calling me "Dr." lol
I never got why some people insist on bringing up "Dr." all the time. "May I speak with Mr. Doe?" "Yes, this is Dr. Doe speaking?" or "Your table is ready Mr. Doe, this way please." "It's Dr. Doe."
Sure, do put it on a business card. But in everyday interactions, it seems kind of dumb.
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as a degree (MBA) from Wharton gets you a front row seat at any company
It won't be enough to keep a seat in a wire house very long if you can't bring the money in. They'll either fire you or perhaps move you into a relatively low-paying admin position if you're well-connected.
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MD, PhD
In my field, however, people usually don't get a Ph.D. to teach. In the medical sciences its usually because you want to conduct your research in your own lab, which hopefully you will be able to get finding for through NIH grants (and now, more and more, some private industry funding but this can get complicated with conflicts etc).
But it is very true about coming from wealth in order to be able to put the years in. Big Ach - the stipend isn't much to live on if you don't have additional sources of income such as a significant other working full time or family money. It can get very tough if you plan on staying in academics. Despite the years of financial struggle, if you truly love what you are doing you will be very happy. I certainly was. It isn't the poverty that gets you but sometimes it is the politics. Politics can be intense in academic medicine. The prize isn't money for us, it's the power that comes from departmental advancement that, despite the titles, don't pay much.
I lost my appointment last year. I had no savings as I lived paycheck to paycheck while a resident; never suspecting I would lose my job as I did. Here is how brutal my finances were/are - about 6 months later, I got mugged at night walking to a small room I had rented in a part of town that was cheaper than where I used to work. I got beat up pretty badly, and especially, my mouth was a mess. Months later, I still needed extensive dental work. Believe it or not, I actually PMd back and forth on here with a member who was trying to help me find some kind of work working for an online bb company. He was very cool and tried his best but nothing came of it. I still look a mess and haven't had much interest from other universities in my line of work unfortunately. This is after putting in 10 years of academic post university study (4 years medical school 3 years PhD + 3 years residency prior to termination). I genuinely have nothing to show for it at the moment. So yes degrees are fine and all, however, just realize the tenuous nature of years of study prior to any financial security. It is a risk if you don't come with a safety net of some kind such as family support of savings. Your education actually, believe it or not, can ostracize you from the real world later. It is tough to go back and apply for a regular 9-5. Employers think there must be something wrong with you since why would an doctor be applying for a minimum wage job? I guess they have a point.
Life isn't always a meritocracy. Always have a backup plan. Don't end up like me. A total loser.
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MD, PhD
And I think most of you are a bit off about why people get Ph.D.'s. It's not to teach but do research and have your own lab - at least in the medical sciences.
But it is very true about coming from wealth in order to be able to put the years in. Big Ach - the stipend isn't much to live on if you don't have additional sources of income such as a significant other working full time or family money. It can get very tough if you plan on staying in academics. Despite the years of financial struggle, if you truly love what you are doing you will be very happy. It isn't the poverty that gets you but the politics. Politics can be intense in academic medicine. The prize isn't money for us, it's the power that comes from departmental advancement that despite the titles, don't pay much.
I lost my appointment last year. I had no savings as I lived paycheck to paycheck while a resident; never suspecting I would lose my job as I did. Here is how brutal my finances were/are - about 6 months later, I got mugged at night walking to a small room I had rented in a part of town that was cheaper than where I used to work. I got beat up pretty badly, and especially, my mouth was a mess. Months later, I still needed extensive dental work. Believe it or not, I actually PMd back and forth on here with a member who was trying to help me find some kind of work working for an online bb company. He was very cool and tried his best but nothing came of it. I still look a mess and haven't had much interest from other universities in my line of work unfortunately. This is after putting in 10 years of academic post university study (4 years medical school 3 years PhD + 3 years residency prior to termination). I genuinely have nothing to show for it at the moment. So yes degrees are fine and all, however, just realize the tenuous nature of years of study prior to any financial security. It is a risk if you don't come with a safety net of some kind such as family support of savings. Your education actually, believe it or not, can ostracize you from the real world later. It is tough to go back and apply for a regular 9-5. Employers think there must be something wrong with you since why would an doctor be applying for a minimum wage job? I guess they have a point.
Life isn't always a meritocracy. Always have a backup plan. Don't end up like me. A total loser.
TLDNR
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TLDNR
Story of my life. Basically here is the crux of it: I suck.
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Story of my life. Basically here is the crux of it: I suck.
With your credentials, surely you could find some type of job in healthcare, no?
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MD, PhD
In my field, however, people usually don't get a Ph.D. to teach. In the medical sciences its usually because you want to conduct your research in your own lab, which hopefully you will be able to get finding for through NIH grants (and now, more and more, some private industry funding but this can get complicated with conflicts etc).
But it is very true about coming from wealth in order to be able to put the years in. Big Ach - the stipend isn't much to live on if you don't have additional sources of income such as a significant other working full time or family money. It can get very tough if you plan on staying in academics. Despite the years of financial struggle, if you truly love what you are doing you will be very happy. I certainly was. It isn't the poverty that gets you but sometimes it is the politics. Politics can be intense in academic medicine. The prize isn't money for us, it's the power that comes from departmental advancement that, despite the titles, don't pay much.
I lost my appointment last year. I had no savings as I lived paycheck to paycheck while a resident; never suspecting I would lose my job as I did. Here is how brutal my finances were/are - about 6 months later, I got mugged at night walking to a small room I had rented in a part of town that was cheaper than where I used to work. I got beat up pretty badly, and especially, my mouth was a mess. Months later, I still needed extensive dental work. Believe it or not, I actually PMd back and forth on here with a member who was trying to help me find some kind of work working for an online bb company. He was very cool and tried his best but nothing came of it. I still look a mess and haven't had much interest from other universities in my line of work unfortunately. This is after putting in 10 years of academic post university study (4 years medical school 3 years PhD + 3 years residency prior to termination). I genuinely have nothing to show for it at the moment. So yes degrees are fine and all, however, just realize the tenuous nature of years of study prior to any financial security. It is a risk if you don't come with a safety net of some kind such as family support of savings. Your education actually, believe it or not, can ostracize you from the real world later. It is tough to go back and apply for a regular 9-5. Employers think there must be something wrong with you since why would an doctor be applying for a minimum wage job? I guess they have a point.
Life isn't always a meritocracy. Always have a backup plan. Don't end up like me. A total loser.
Dude, this is horrible. You have my sympathies, friend. Something will come up, has to.
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grades don't matter on the olympia stage
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MD, PhD
In my field, however, people usually don't get a Ph.D. to teach. In the medical sciences its usually because you want to conduct your research in your own lab, which hopefully you will be able to get finding for through NIH grants (and now, more and more, some private industry funding but this can get complicated with conflicts etc).
But it is very true about coming from wealth in order to be able to put the years in. Big Ach - the stipend isn't much to live on if you don't have additional sources of income such as a significant other working full time or family money. It can get very tough if you plan on staying in academics. Despite the years of financial struggle, if you truly love what you are doing you will be very happy. I certainly was. It isn't the poverty that gets you but sometimes it is the politics. Politics can be intense in academic medicine. The prize isn't money for us, it's the power that comes from departmental advancement that, despite the titles, don't pay much.
I lost my appointment last year. I had no savings as I lived paycheck to paycheck while a resident; never suspecting I would lose my job as I did. Here is how brutal my finances were/are - about 6 months later, I got mugged at night walking to a small room I had rented in a part of town that was cheaper than where I used to work. I got beat up pretty badly, and especially, my mouth was a mess. Months later, I still needed extensive dental work. Believe it or not, I actually PMd back and forth on here with a member who was trying to help me find some kind of work working for an online bb company. He was very cool and tried his best but nothing came of it. I still look a mess and haven't had much interest from other universities in my line of work unfortunately. This is after putting in 10 years of academic post university study (4 years medical school 3 years PhD + 3 years residency prior to termination). I genuinely have nothing to show for it at the moment. So yes degrees are fine and all, however, just realize the tenuous nature of years of study prior to any financial security. It is a risk if you don't come with a safety net of some kind such as family support of savings. Your education actually, believe it or not, can ostracize you from the real world later. It is tough to go back and apply for a regular 9-5. Employers think there must be something wrong with you since why would an doctor be applying for a minimum wage job? I guess they have a point.
Life isn't always a meritocracy. Always have a backup plan. Don't end up like me. A total loser.
Definitely not a loser at all. You have had some really bad luck. Things have got to get better.
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MD, PhD
In my field, however, people usually don't get a Ph.D. to teach. In the medical sciences its usually because you want to conduct your research in your own lab, which hopefully you will be able to get finding for through NIH grants (and now, more and more, some private industry funding but this can get complicated with conflicts etc).
But it is very true about coming from wealth in order to be able to put the years in. Big Ach - the stipend isn't much to live on if you don't have additional sources of income such as a significant other working full time or family money. It can get very tough if you plan on staying in academics. Despite the years of financial struggle, if you truly love what you are doing you will be very happy. I certainly was. It isn't the poverty that gets you but sometimes it is the politics. Politics can be intense in academic medicine. The prize isn't money for us, it's the power that comes from departmental advancement that, despite the titles, don't pay much.
I lost my appointment last year. I had no savings as I lived paycheck to paycheck while a resident; never suspecting I would lose my job as I did. Here is how brutal my finances were/are - about 6 months later, I got mugged at night walking to a small room I had rented in a part of town that was cheaper than where I used to work. I got beat up pretty badly, and especially, my mouth was a mess. Months later, I still needed extensive dental work. Believe it or not, I actually PMd back and forth on here with a member who was trying to help me find some kind of work working for an online bb company. He was very cool and tried his best but nothing came of it. I still look a mess and haven't had much interest from other universities in my line of work unfortunately. This is after putting in 10 years of academic post university study (4 years medical school 3 years PhD + 3 years residency prior to termination). I genuinely have nothing to show for it at the moment. So yes degrees are fine and all, however, just realize the tenuous nature of years of study prior to any financial security. It is a risk if you don't come with a safety net of some kind such as family support of savings. Your education actually, believe it or not, can ostracize you from the real world later. It is tough to go back and apply for a regular 9-5. Employers think there must be something wrong with you since why would an doctor be applying for a minimum wage job? I guess they have a point.
Life isn't always a meritocracy. Always have a backup plan. Don't end up like me. A total loser.
Wait, you have an MD AND a PhD and you cant find work?
Something here sounds strange.
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MD, PhD
In my field, however, people usually don't get a Ph.D. to teach. In the medical sciences its usually because you want to conduct your research in your own lab, which hopefully you will be able to get finding for through NIH grants (and now, more and more, some private industry funding but this can get complicated with conflicts etc).
But it is very true about coming from wealth in order to be able to put the years in. Big Ach - the stipend isn't much to live on if you don't have additional sources of income such as a significant other working full time or family money. It can get very tough if you plan on staying in academics. Despite the years of financial struggle, if you truly love what you are doing you will be very happy. I certainly was. It isn't the poverty that gets you but sometimes it is the politics. Politics can be intense in academic medicine. The prize isn't money for us, it's the power that comes from departmental advancement that, despite the titles, don't pay much.
I lost my appointment last year. I had no savings as I lived paycheck to paycheck while a resident; never suspecting I would lose my job as I did. Here is how brutal my finances were/are - about 6 months later, I got mugged at night walking to a small room I had rented in a part of town that was cheaper than where I used to work. I got beat up pretty badly, and especially, my mouth was a mess. Months later, I still needed extensive dental work. Believe it or not, I actually PMd back and forth on here with a member who was trying to help me find some kind of work working for an online bb company. He was very cool and tried his best but nothing came of it. I still look a mess and haven't had much interest from other universities in my line of work unfortunately. This is after putting in 10 years of academic post university study (4 years medical school 3 years PhD + 3 years residency prior to termination). I genuinely have nothing to show for it at the moment. So yes degrees are fine and all, however, just realize the tenuous nature of years of study prior to any financial security. It is a risk if you don't come with a safety net of some kind such as family support of savings. Your education actually, believe it or not, can ostracize you from the real world later. It is tough to go back and apply for a regular 9-5. Employers think there must be something wrong with you since why would an doctor be applying for a minimum wage job? I guess they have a point.
Life isn't always a meritocracy. Always have a backup plan. Don't end up like me. A total loser.
Thanks for sharing this with us. Sounds horrible and as you said, some kind of financial support is needed in order to stay in school for so many years.
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MD, PhD
In my field, however, people usually don't get a Ph.D. to teach. In the medical sciences its usually because you want to conduct your research in your own lab, which hopefully you will be able to get finding for through NIH grants (and now, more and more, some private industry funding but this can get complicated with conflicts etc).
But it is very true about coming from wealth in order to be able to put the years in. Big Ach - the stipend isn't much to live on if you don't have additional sources of income such as a significant other working full time or family money. It can get very tough if you plan on staying in academics. Despite the years of financial struggle, if you truly love what you are doing you will be very happy. I certainly was. It isn't the poverty that gets you but sometimes it is the politics. Politics can be intense in academic medicine. The prize isn't money for us, it's the power that comes from departmental advancement that, despite the titles, don't pay much.
I lost my appointment last year. I had no savings as I lived paycheck to paycheck while a resident; never suspecting I would lose my job as I did. Here is how brutal my finances were/are - about 6 months later, I got mugged at night walking to a small room I had rented in a part of town that was cheaper than where I used to work. I got beat up pretty badly, and especially, my mouth was a mess. Months later, I still needed extensive dental work. Believe it or not, I actually PMd back and forth on here with a member who was trying to help me find some kind of work working for an online bb company. He was very cool and tried his best but nothing came of it. I still look a mess and haven't had much interest from other universities in my line of work unfortunately. This is after putting in 10 years of academic post university study (4 years medical school 3 years PhD + 3 years residency prior to termination). I genuinely have nothing to show for it at the moment. So yes degrees are fine and all, however, just realize the tenuous nature of years of study prior to any financial security. It is a risk if you don't come with a safety net of some kind such as family support of savings. Your education actually, believe it or not, can ostracize you from the real world later. It is tough to go back and apply for a regular 9-5. Employers think there must be something wrong with you since why would an doctor be applying for a minimum wage job? I guess they have a point.
Life isn't always a meritocracy. Always have a backup plan. Don't end up like me. A total loser.
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MD, PhD
In my field, however, people usually don't get a Ph.D. to teach. In the medical sciences its usually because you want to conduct your research in your own lab, which hopefully you will be able to get finding for through NIH grants (and now, more and more, some private industry funding but this can get complicated with conflicts etc).
But it is very true about coming from wealth in order to be able to put the years in. Big Ach - the stipend isn't much to live on if you don't have additional sources of income such as a significant other working full time or family money. It can get very tough if you plan on staying in academics. Despite the years of financial struggle, if you truly love what you are doing you will be very happy. I certainly was. It isn't the poverty that gets you but sometimes it is the politics. Politics can be intense in academic medicine. The prize isn't money for us, it's the power that comes from departmental advancement that, despite the titles, don't pay much.
I lost my appointment last year. I had no savings as I lived paycheck to paycheck while a resident; never suspecting I would lose my job as I did. Here is how brutal my finances were/are - about 6 months later, I got mugged at night walking to a small room I had rented in a part of town that was cheaper than where I used to work. I got beat up pretty badly, and especially, my mouth was a mess. Months later, I still needed extensive dental work. Believe it or not, I actually PMd back and forth on here with a member who was trying to help me find some kind of work working for an online bb company. He was very cool and tried his best but nothing came of it. I still look a mess and haven't had much interest from other universities in my line of work unfortunately. This is after putting in 10 years of academic post university study (4 years medical school 3 years PhD + 3 years residency prior to termination). I genuinely have nothing to show for it at the moment. So yes degrees are fine and all, however, just realize the tenuous nature of years of study prior to any financial security. It is a risk if you don't come with a safety net of some kind such as family support of savings. Your education actually, believe it or not, can ostracize you from the real world later. It is tough to go back and apply for a regular 9-5. Employers think there must be something wrong with you since why would an doctor be applying for a minimum wage job? I guess they have a point.
Life isn't always a meritocracy. Always have a backup plan. Don't end up like me. A total loser.
Persevere, bro. What did you study?