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Thats the way I train for a long time and I like it because it helps me being injury free while training insanely hard, I also feel that this is the optimal training schedule in terms of strenght and mass gains (maybe 1 muscle group each 6 days would be the sweet number - like Dorian used to train - but since I am not a bodybuilder I keep the cycle matched with the whole week to fit better with my work and social agenda).
But, the thing is, for example, I train chest on mondays, and when it comes the weekend I feel like my pecs are not as pumped as during the middle of the week, and it kinda of spois the visual effect during this part of the week.
Training chest 2x full throtle is definetly an overkill for me but what about doing a light session on thursday or friday just to pump it up a bit and prepare things for the next monday when I will train this muscle group again? Have anyone tried something like this?
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I think it depends on the split you do, it's not that hard:
For example, you train chest on Monday, then when you train arms on Thursday, you can do close grip bench press which will work your chest as well as your triceps.
If you look around a bit, you will find many movements that will include other muscle groups as well, so you can use that to create the "pump" or light exercise effect on the other days of the week.
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but if we walk or ride a bike every day, in our daily life and chores, how will this affect your conceptual hypothesis of only once a week per body part?
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This is the way i split my training:
Monday-Chest
Tuesday-Back
Wednesday-Hams/Calves
Thursday-Shoulders/Traps
Friday-Biceps/Triceps/Forearms
Saturday-Quads
Sunday-Off
This is the best routine FOR ME. Typically my workouts are about 30-45 mins depending on the bodypart... i've tried lots of different splits but I always come back to this.
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Thats the way I train for a long time and I like it because it helps me being injury free while training insanely hard, I also feel that this is the optimal training schedule in terms of strenght and mass gains (maybe 1 muscle group each 6 days would be the sweet number - like Dorian used to train - but since I am not a bodybuilder I keep the cycle matched with the whole week to fit better with my work and social agenda).
But, the thing is, for example, I train chest on mondays, and when it comes the weekend I feel like my pecs are not as pumped as during the middle of the week, and it kinda of spois the visual effect during this part of the week.
Training chest 2x full throtle is definetly an overkill for me but what about doing a light session on thursday or friday just to pump it up a bit and prepare things for the next monday when I will train this muscle group again? Have anyone tried something like this?
I had the same issue as you, and I realized hitting each muscle about ever 5 days works best for me.
So now I just hit each muscle about every 5 or 6 days.
I do a 3 day split. Push/pull/leg. And I just train ehenever I feel like it and when I have time. Usually I work out every other day but sometimes i'll lift 2 days in a row.
You don't need to follow a strict routine. Just freestyle it and do something a little different each week.
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do narrow grip benching for your tris at the end of the week with dips and your chest will get some work too
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This is the way i split my training:
Monday-Chest
Tuesday-Back
Wednesday-Hams/Calves
Thursday-Shoulders/Traps
Friday-Biceps/Triceps/Forearms
Saturday-Quads
Sunday-Off
This is the best routine FOR ME. Typically my workouts are about 30-45 mins depending on the bodypart... i've tried lots of different splits but I always come back to this.
great split
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LOL @ people trying to optimize workouts like it makes any fvcking difference. Just go do some compound exercises and let me know if you get more muscular. If after a few months you havent, find a new hobby or kill yourself.
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LOL @ people trying to optimize workouts like it makes any fvcking difference. Just go do some compound exercises and let me know if you get more muscular. If after a few months you havent, find a new hobby or kill yourself.
"lol at people trying to optimize workouts and diets, just watch tv and eat doritos all day, and do some push ups every now and then"
::) ::)
epic getbiggerism
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LOL @ people trying to optimize workouts like it makes any fvcking difference. Just go do some compound exercises and let me know if you get more muscular. If after a few months you havent, find a new hobby or kill yourself.
True. Some people do overthink it. For a natural lifter all you gotta do is lift hard. Rest that muscle until it's recovered. Repeat.
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True. Some people do overthink it. For a natural lifter all you gotta do is lift hard. Rest that muscle until it's recovered. Repeat.
thats is exactly why I train each group only once a week, to hit em hard for at least one hour. Thats basic shit to me, and nothing wrong with doing some finetuning too.
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LOL @ people trying to optimize workouts like it makes any fvcking difference. Just go do some compound exercises and let me know if you get more muscular. If after a few months you havent, find a new hobby or kill yourself.
X2
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well guess what, to people with some decent genetics for lifting weights, some ajustments to their workout routine actually does reflect in gains. I thought it was common sense but apparently it is not. Only in getbigland.
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LOL @ people trying to optimize workouts like it makes any fvcking difference. Just go do some compound exercises and let me know if you get more muscular. If after a few months you havent, find a new hobby or kill yourself.
It makes a difference if you're training hard or not though. A lot of bodybuilders have non-existant hams and calves because they treat them as an afterthought and don't put as much effort into them. Prioritizing your training can make a big difference.
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"lol at people trying to optimize workouts and diets, just watch tv and eat doritos all day, and do some push ups every now and then"
::) ::)
epic getbiggerism
Thats not what Im saying at all. There are 3 groups of people who over scrutinize working out to the extent you are. Pro athletes, near pro/pro bodybuilders, and noobs. Lemme guess.....
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It makes a difference if you're training hard or not though. A lot of bodybuilders have non-existant hams and calves because they treat them as an afterthought and don't put as much effort into them. Prioritizing your training can make a big difference.
Im not suggesting you shouldnt train hard, rather if several months of heavy squats and deadlifts havent put some muscle on your hamstrings, I can assure you that doing hamstring curls first on their own day isnt gonna be the 'magic key'. ::)
Also, please read my above reply.
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Your response made no logical sense whatsoever. If you are already hitting them on back and chest day, then WHY do they need a separate day? You could just add in some direct arm exercises into those days. They are a small muscle group, and if you think hitting them "full force" once per week is going to make a large difference in your arms, I think you are greatly mistaken.
Your weekend reason wouldnt matter either if you threw some direct bi / tri work onto back / chest day.
You ask a question about optimizing your workout days, and then when given some decent feedback, you come up with a bunch of lame excuses that don't even make sense. Why ask if you think you already have it figured out? You are just defending your own workout to everyone that posts a suggestion...
Post a pic so we can see what "direct arm work" has done for you. Current pic...as in today.
because my arms oscilates between 19-20 inches and I would say it is working for a natural.
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because my arms oscilates between 19-20 inches and I would say it is working for a natural.
because i
Let me guess, you live an unnamed country that has outlawed cameras?
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If you're just lifting as a hobby it's best to just do it without a strict plan.
Have fun with it, experiment, do it different each week, go by feel. Take a week off if you feel like it. Just do whatever.
Fine tuning doesn't make too much of a difference honestly. But if you really wanna push out that extra 5% go ahead and put in the hard work.
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Let me guess, you live an unnamed country that has outlawed cameras?
19-20" right here baby!!!!!!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=332691.0;attach=373560;image)
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19-20" right here baby!!!!!!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=332691.0;attach=373560;image)
Why would you blank out your face on that pic when we all know what you look like already? Hmmmm...
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Let me guess, you live an unnamed country that has outlawed cameras?
are you steve wonder? if not you could take a look at my avatar, also..
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i train each muscle waaaaayyyyy more than once a week...
bench
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19-20" right here baby!!!!!!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=332691.0;attach=373560;image)
Bwahahahahahahhhhahaha
Sorry for questioning you 'big fella'. I'll sit back now and take notes 'stud'.
are you steve wonder? if not you could take a look at my avatar, also..
Yes Im 'steve' wonder. ::)
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19-20" right here baby!!!!!!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=332691.0;attach=373560;image)
19 inches ,come on bro ,more like 16 or 17 topps
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here let me fix this for you... mr. 19-20" arms.... ::)
We got a live one! ;D
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this pic is 6 months old, and I begun training hard again in february last year after a looong hiatus. And yea they were 19 inches there.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=332691.0;attach=373560;image)
big dude, all the way big dude.
but weird biceps.
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are you steve wonder? if not you could take a look at my avatar, also..
more white squares than a party at MattC's house.
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this pic is 6 months old, and I begun training hard again in february last year after a looong hiatus. And yea they were 19 inches there.
Bwahahahaha OMG OMG OMG
Seriously thank god for this thread. It has old school getbig written all over it.
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I got finally my first photoshop on getbig, may I finally be considered one of the gang!!! 8)
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great split
Fuck going to the gym 6 days a week to train, no need to 4 is enough.
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Fuck going to the gym 6 days a week to train, no need to 4 is enough.
yup, 5x a week is actually overboard to me
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I got finally my first photoshop on getbig, may I finally be considered one of the gang!!! 8)
Yup youre well on your way!
Phase one: Completely delusional.
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Why would you blank out your face on that pic when we all know what you look like already? Hmmmm...
Don't tell me you are really this retarded ???
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Yup youre well on your way!
Phase one: Completely delusional.
I dont use getbig to score chicks (obviously) or to play the alpha game with the other fellas since I am an anon poster, dont have any reason to lie. Now you, post a pic and prove you lift weights at least.
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According to Arthur Jones, training on a split routine makes about as much sense as sleeping with one eye open.
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Dorian Yates during his Olympia regin trained each body part each 6 days. But oh, since I do it in 7 days I am "so not cool" according to a couple of faceless getbigers who probably dont even work out. Im loving it.
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also, I never said "my" method was the best, just that it worked well for me. Epic getbig defensiveness going around here ::) ::)
I just love this place, keep it coming fellas
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I dont use getbig to score chicks (obviously) or to play the alpha game with the other fellas since I am an anon poster, dont have any reason to lie. Now you, post a pic and prove you lift weights at least.
Hahaha I'm not doubting for a second that the picture is of you, rather I'm on the floor at how you perceive yourself.
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Dorian Yates during his Olympia regin trained each body part each 6 days. But oh, since I do it in 7 days I am "so not cool" according to a couple of faceless getbigers who probably dont even work out. Im loving it.
I smell a meltdown coming on............
Mr. 19-20" arms is gonna cry..........I can feel it..... :D
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Dorian Yates during his Olympia regin trained each body part each 6 days. But oh, since I do it in 7 days I am "so not cool" according to a couple of faceless getbigers who probably dont even work out. Im loving it.
Hahahaha. I now know how caliber fitness stays in business.
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Hahaha I'm not doubting for a second that the picture is of you, rather I'm on the floor at how you perceive yourself.
I meant I didnt have any reason to lie about my arm measurement and you know it, dont back peddle now bitch.
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I smell a meltdown coming on............
Mr. 19-20" arms is gonna cry..........I can feel it..... :D
:D
I haven't laughed this hard in a while, feels good.
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Hahahaha. I now know how caliber fitness stays in business.
one smartassery after another (and no pics), epic getbigerism ::) 8)
this thread is my first hit, feeling part of the family now
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I smell a meltdown coming on............
Mr. 19-20" arms is gonna cry..........I can feel it..... :D
If those arms are 19", Goodrum is Mr Olympia
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one smartassery after another, epic getbigerism ::) 8)
Answer me this. How long would it take you to produce a pic of you and lou ferigno with him giving a thumbs-up and you wearing a fanny pack around a polo shirt 2 sizes too small that you paid $20 for?
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If those arms are 19", Goodrum is Mr Olympia
The smallest 19-20" arms ever ???
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Answer me this. How long would it take you to produce a pic of you and lou ferigno with him giving a thumbs-up and you wearing a fanny pack around a polo shirt 2 sizes too small that you paid $20 for?
I see you are not going to post jack shit for pic, so whatever, keep having fun with your smart ass comments, Im going to take a shit and sleep, its already 1 am here.
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Taco has posted pictures. He's a big dude.
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The smallest 19-20" arms ever ???
49,5cm here
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=363181.0;attach=398397;image)
have fun, Im out for today.
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I see you are not going to post jack shit for pic, so whatever, keep having fun with your smart ass comments, Im going to take a shit and sleep, its already 1 am here.
You are a delusional fanboy who has been here 1 week, your requests don't get honored.
My pics have been posted and while I'm no 'bam bam' you may search for them if u like. ::)
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Thats the way I train for a long time and I like it because it helps me being injury free while training insanely hard, I also feel that this is the optimal training schedule in terms of strenght and mass gains (maybe 1 muscle group each 6 days would be the sweet number - like Dorian used to train - but since I am not a bodybuilder I keep the cycle matched with the whole week to fit better with my work and social agenda).
But, the thing is, for example, I train chest on mondays, and when it comes the weekend I feel like my pecs are not as pumped as during the middle of the week, and it kinda of spois the visual effect during this part of the week.
Training chest 2x full throtle is definetly an overkill for me but what about doing a light session on thursday or friday just to pump it up a bit and prepare things for the next monday when I will train this muscle group again? Have anyone tried something like this?
A while ago I used to do that for each body part, one day full force, one day a bit lighter!! was great
but now I just 1 X per week
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Taco has posted pictures. He's a big dude.
Thanks stud. And may I say, your cock is huge and I wouldn't know what to do with it.
(No homo)
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A while ago I used to do that for each body part, one day full force, one day a bit lighter!! was great
but now I just 1 X per week
and why did you change it to just 1x per week purely?
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49,5cm here
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=363181.0;attach=398397;image)
have fun, Im out for today.
just came back from the shitter, feeling like posting one more comment before hitting the sack.
Two more candies for you bitches, you dont get stretchmarks on your forearms with bamboos for arms (I know, I know, TacoBell will say I got them because I was onlyme fat before trimming down, getbiggerisms...)
enjoy and good nite sissies
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49,5cm here
Length?
LOL @ being the only guy in the world to have stretch marks on his forearms. ;D
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Length?
LOL @ being the only guy in the world to have stretch marks on his forearms. ;D
lol I dont know if you are being serious or not but I have never seen other dude in my whole life, muscular or fat, with forearms with stretch marks.
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No bambam, I don't think you have stretch marks on ur forearms because you were once fat, its become clearly obvious to me now that you are indeed a huge ivory mountain of muscle. I'm sorry for any confusion on my part.
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lol I dont know if you are being serious or not but I have never seen other dude in my whole life, muscular or fat, with forearms with stretch marks.
I've got them, as well as real 19" arms ;)
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I've got them, as well as real 19" arms ;)
LMAO, how the fuck did you do that? Zercher squats?
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I can't believe bambam has been posting pics of Arnolds 19'' arms and expecting us not to realize.
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LMAO, how the fuck did you do that? Zercher squats?
Haha I don't know. I've got stretch marks pretty much everywhere.
I lifted for a couple of years after I turned 12, although I had no idea what I was doing and did arms everyday, lol. They grew a couple of inches then and I think that might have started it.
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Haha I don't know. I've got stretch marks pretty much everywhere.
I lifted for a couple of years after I turned 12, although I had no idea what I was doing and did arms everyday, lol. They grew a couple of inches then and I think that might have started it.
Luckily I don't have any....I thought I was going to have some gnarly ones on my chest but they went away.
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haha "simplyhuge" I see you are already deleting your posts. Guys I thought you wanted to follow getbig script here? How am I supposed to meltdown if you are already bitching out and ereasing comments?? ??? What a shame ::)
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you don't believe those arms are atleast 19"?
they look like 19 inchest to me... a bit bigger even... nothing hard to believe about that.
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If he's much over 6 foot those could easily be 19+. If he's 5'8" no way.
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Charles Polquin measured Priest's arms at 20.25 inches off-season, so therefore bam-bam is in the same league as the mighty Liar Priest.
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The best decision I ever made training wise was to switch from hitting each muscle once to twice per week.
You should try it.
And stop posting pics of yourself, not a pretty sight.
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I'm curious JP_RC, do you practice a 2-way split, or a 3-way split? Also, how do you split it up? Thanks man
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I'm curious JP_RC, do you practice a 2-way split, or a 3-way split? Also, how do you split it up? Thanks man
I actually kind of do both in one week: 3 on, 1 off, 2 on, 1 off, then repeat. Something like this:
legs
back-chest
shoulders-arms
off
legs
upper body
off
repeat
That way I can hit each bodypart twice a week.
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That actually looks like a good plan man, but I'm just wondering if you're able to push delts and arms sufficently after your chest and back session from the previous day? Also, I can't go more than 2 days in a row, without needing to take a day off, but I guess that I'm just a pussy lol
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Thats the way I train for a long time and I like it because it helps me being injury free while training insanely hard, I also feel that this is the optimal training schedule in terms of strenght and mass gains (maybe 1 muscle group each 6 days would be the sweet number - like Dorian used to train - but since I am not a bodybuilder I keep the cycle matched with the whole week to fit better with my work and social agenda).
But, the thing is, for example, I train chest on mondays, and when it comes the weekend I feel like my pecs are not as pumped as during the middle of the week, and it kinda of spois the visual effect during this part of the week.
Training chest 2x full throtle is definetly an overkill for me but what about doing a light session on thursday or friday just to pump it up a bit and prepare things for the next monday when I will train this muscle group again? Have anyone tried something like this?
Not supposed to have a pump all week, unless of course you are a bodybuilder, which you said you are not.
Dont worry about it, do what works best for you, forget about a pump.
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Back and chest on the same day is INSANE, specially if you work your lats just before the pecs. Basically, your back provide support and stability for every chest exercise, specially bench presses. For sure your back will give up way before you start to feel something on your pecs when working the chest using that routine.
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certainly,, once per week can work as many people get gains on it,, but it is not optimal and many people will get crap results,, specially when doing routines where you dont even get some indriect effect,,
twice per weekw ill grow you better but you need to program it in smart way and dont go overboad with volume,, there is also middle ground betwqeen oncer per wekke and twice per week...
i been into bodybuilding many years and trained many people,, and exactly how youset up routine is abit of e xperimentation...but 3-4 sessions per week is best for most people,, some train more but in most cases they shouldnt ,, 5-6 is just overkill and many cases those who go 5-6 times are half assign many of thw workouts,, for sure some some can go that many time and train hard,, but highly quesitonable if they should,,...anyways most cant and shouldnt because recovery doesnt allow it,, life stress doesnt allow it,, work doesnt allow it,, wife doesnt allow it :D
these are good base routines;;
2-way split,, ,,3-4 session per week
2-way split + 1 full body day 3 session per week
2-way split EOD ,, 3.5 session week
3-way split,,, rotate over 5 days but you need good recovery ,, most can not do this on regular bassis,
3-way split,,, push/pull/legs...everything trained every 5---sometimes every 6th days,, can work,,
3-way split EOD,, every thing every 6th day,, can also work but its on the edge,, but don't do it push/pull/legs style do it chest/arms, back/shoulders, legs or chest/back,, delts/arm ,, leg...to get abit indirect effect too,,
what you pick depend,, you need to experiment and see what you like and what your body likes,, and what you have time to do,,
when you trained many years you go to unbalanced trainining,, still no need to go in gym more than 3-4 time per week,, instead you go maybe 2/X on those days,, but you do it in a smart ways always,.. or you dont do it all,,
i seen pro bodybuilder and high class anmaetures built via 3 sessions per week,, total crap that you must go in 5-6 days / week!!
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@dj181, yes I'm able to push hard on delts and arms too, its just a matter of getting used and adapting to the frequency of training. First fewe weeks you might feel tired and not being able to push, but after a while you'll adapt.
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Back and chest on the same day is INSANE, specially if you work your lats just before the pecs. Basically, your back provide support and stability for every chest exercise, specially bench presses. For sure your back will give up way before you start to feel something on your pecs when working the chest using that routine.
no,, it can be done,, specially if you give body time to get used to it,, i seen it doen tIMe after TIME! also it depend on the indivudual,,
same thing with delt and arm day after chest + back,, some can do it,, some can not but there are many possiblilities if you dont like it,, but it can be done.,, sometimes even enhance growing process,, in general i avoid it tho,,
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Great post nolotil, you know exactly what you are talking bout.
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Great post nolotil, you know exactly what you are talking bout.
i done bodybuilding many years and train many people,, you learn with the years and by mistakes,, ;),, but if we talk compeititive bodybuilding no 1 thing is drugs,, not training,, still people must realize that going in 5-6 time per week is old school propaganda muscle magazine bull crap,, many guys who say they go 5-6 they lie,, and only go 3 times week,, because that all they recover from if they work hard and smart!!,, and they dont need more,, if guy on hormone dont need it why do you think tiny natural need it,, lol waste of time to go in more,,
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Whats this "training" thing everybody is talking about ???
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Whats this "training" thing everybody is talking about ???
It's the occasional trip to the gym that you and I do between spans of inebriation....and still look better than the 6 days a week guys posting.... ;D
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It's the occasional trip to the gym that you and I do between spans of inebriation....and still look better than the 6 days a week guys posting.... ;D
Yes!!!! maybe if I do this "training" stuff I can get my arms to 19 inches!!!
.....and then post a pic!!!
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It's the occasional trip to the gym that you and I do between spans of inebriation....and still look better than the 6 days a week guys posting.... ;D
yes,, when you do actually go in make it count and do it hard and smart,, no need for this 6 days per week silliness,,
it same thing with food,, some people think they have to eat 6 times per day,, lol ,, no wonder so many people are fat pigs
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Even if those 6 meals a day are composed of chicken breasts, vegatables, and tuna packed in spring water ;)
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i done bodybuilding many years and train many people,, you learn with the years and by mistakes,, ;),, but if we talk compeititive bodybuilding no 1 thing is drugs,, not training,, still people must realize that going in 5-6 time per week is old school propaganda muscle magazine bull crap,, many guys who say they go 5-6 they lie,, and only go 3 times week,, because that all they recover from if they work hard and smart!!,, and they dont need more,, if guy on hormone dont need it why do you think tiny natural need it,, lol waste of time to go in more,,
wrong. drugs are just the finishing touch.
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Yes!!!! maybe if I do this "training" stuff I can get my arms to 19 inches!!!
.....and then post a pic!!!
Don't forget to eat your chicken parma pizza afte training too!! If not you won't get 19 inch arms.
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Don't forget to eat your chicken parma pizza afte training too!! If not you won't get 19 inch arms.
Chicken parm pizza after a workout is the key to epic growth 8)
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Thats the way I train for a long time and I like it because it helps me being injury free while training insanely hard, I also feel that this is the optimal training schedule in terms of strenght and mass gains (maybe 1 muscle group each 6 days would be the sweet number - like Dorian used to train - but since I am not a bodybuilder I keep the cycle matched with the whole week to fit better with my work and social agenda).
But, the thing is, for example, I train chest on mondays, and when it comes the weekend I feel like my pecs are not as pumped as during the middle of the week, and it kinda of spois the visual effect during this part of the week.
Training chest 2x full throtle is definetly an overkill for me but what about doing a light session on thursday or friday just to pump it up a bit and prepare things for the next monday when I will train this muscle group again? Have anyone tried something like this?
Yes, i do this for legs. Heavy leg day on Wednesdays... then another lighter one on sundays. Do chest mon, then again on thursday.. just lighter and less sets.
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yes,, when you do actually go in make it count and do it hard and smart,, no need for this 6 days per week silliness,,
it same thing with food,, some people think they have to eat 6 times per day,, lol ,, no wonder so many people are fat pigs
Totally agree.
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Training once a week is not efficent. It takes 48 hours for muscle recovery in a lot of cases. Missing a lot of building time by doing one bodypart a week.
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Training once a week is not efficent. It takes 48 hours for muscle recovery in a lot of cases. Missing a lot of building time by doing one bodypart a week.
Eh.
When you do chest/tris, back/bis, etc, I don't think you can adequately get BOTH muscle groups in enough to really work them hard enough. Unless you're at the gym for over 2 hours.
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Its truly sad how many people buy into the perpetuated bodybuilding bullshit.
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Sooo, you decided to bump this thread just to deliver yet another one of your lame and useless oneliners.
Way to go smartass ::)
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Sooo, you decided to bump this thread just to deliver yet another one of your lame and useless oneliners.
Way to go smartass ::)
PMS
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Day 1- Chest
Day 2- Back
Day 3- Rest
Day 4- Legs
Day 5- Delts
Day 6- Arms
Day 7- Rest
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Day 1- Chest 250mg sust, 100mg abombs, 6iu hgh
Day 2- Back 200mg eq, 100mg abomb, 6iu hgh
Day 3- Rest 250mg sust, 100mg abombs, 6iu hgh
Day 4- Legs 200mg eq, 100mg abomb, 6iu hgh
Day 5- Delts 250mg sust, 100mg abombs, 6iu hgh
Day 6- Arms 200mg eq, 100mg abomb, 6iu hgh
Day 7- Rest go to the hospital for dehydration
Fixed. Your 'training split' has absolutely nothing to do with the results illustrated in that picture.
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Fixed. Your 'training split' has absolutely nothing to do with the results illustrated in that picture.
Dude, I take WAY more drugs than that... and I resent the hospital thing!
;)
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Dude, I take WAY more drugs than that...
LOL!!
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Sooo, you decided to bump this thread just to deliver yet another one of your lame and useless oneliners.
Way to go smartass ::)
No, actually Im genuinely trying to enlighten those who have been brainwashed by spoon-fed bodybuilding bullshit.
Normally I dont like to bash, but youre really perpetuating this. So explain this to me 'stretch marks'. Youve posted your pictures and make no mistake you have a very average physique. It doesnt matter if your arms tape out at 19'' or 29'', you have not posted a picture of a muscular arm, despite the fact that of the few visible muscles, your arms may be your best feature as you have no chest, no traps, no thickness whatsoever.
So here you are diving deep into a 'training split' when what you fail to realize is what I said in my first post, that you'd do better to just do some compound movements and call it a day.
Ever been to a powerlifting gym? You never see anyone in there doing an 'arm day', yet they all have significantly more muscular arms than you. Does that tell you anything?
Go watch a strongman competition. Those guys have pretty big legs huh. Do you think its cause they 'prioritize their hamstrings' by doing a standing leg curl on its own separate day?
Maybe you'll finally get it, or maybe you are too stupid.
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Dude, I take WAY more drugs than that... and I resent the hospital thing!
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Make no mistake, I love steroids and wish I could do them. I dont in anyway infer that you dont train your ass off, or diet or do all sorts of neurotic shit to attain that physique. My sole point is that for most people, it makes no difference if a bunch of chest exercises are done on monday or wednesday etc...
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No, actually Im genuinely trying to enlighten those who have been brainwashed by spoon-fed bodybuilding bullshit.
Normally I dont like to bash, but youre really perpetuating this. So explain this to me 'stretch marks'. Youve posted your pictures and make no mistake you have a very average physique. It doesnt matter if your arms tape out at 19'' or 29'', you have not posted a picture of a muscular arm, despite the fact that of the few visible muscles, your arms may be your best feature as you have no chest, no traps, no thickness whatsoever.
So here you are diving deep into a 'training split' when what you fail to realize is what I said in my first post, that you'd do better to just do some compound movements and call it a day.
Ever been to a powerlifting gym? You never see anyone in there doing an 'arm day', yet they all have significantly more muscular arms than you. Does that tell you anything?
Go watch a strongman competition. Those guys have pretty big legs huh. Do you think its cause they 'prioritize their hamstrings' by doing a standing leg curl on its own separate day?
Maybe you'll finally get it, or maybe you are too stupid.
I hardly do any arm exercises anymore. :(
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MELTDOWN.
No, actually Im genuinely trying to enlighten those who have been brainwashed by spoon-fed bodybuilding bullshit.
Normally I dont like to bash, but youre really perpetuating this. So explain this to me 'stretch marks'. Youve posted your pictures and make no mistake you have a very average physique. It doesnt matter if your arms tape out at 19'' or 29'', you have not posted a picture of a muscular arm, despite the fact that of the few visible muscles, your arms may be your best feature as you have no chest, no traps, no thickness whatsoever.
So here you are diving deep into a 'training split' when what you fail to realize is what I said in my first post, that you'd do better to just do some compound movements and call it a day.
Ever been to a powerlifting gym? You never see anyone in there doing an 'arm day', yet they all have significantly more muscular arms than you. Does that tell you anything?
Go watch a strongman competition. Those guys have pretty big legs huh. Do you think its cause they 'prioritize their hamstrings' by doing a standing leg curl on its own separate day?
Maybe you'll finally get it, or maybe you are too stupid.
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MELTDOWN.
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I hardly do any arm exercises anymore. :(
No wonder ur stuck at 180lbs.... :D
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Make no mistake, I love steroids and wish I could do them. I dont in anyway infer that you dont train your ass off, or diet or do all sorts of neurotic shit to attain that physique. My sole point is that for most people, it makes no difference if a bunch of chest exercises are done on monday or wednesday etc...
Chest exercises MUST be done on MONDAYS, if you want to have a large chest. Everyone knows that.
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Chest exercises MUST be done on MONDAYS, if you want to have a large chest. Everyone knows that.
hey bro, good thing you showed up, can I leave that keyboard warrior for you to take care from now on? lol
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Its truly sad how many people buy into the perpetuated bodybuilding bullshit.
Are you saying all bodybuilding is nonsense and the average guy looking to build a good physique should just train with compounds mostly, like other strength guys do?
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No wonder ur stuck at 1280lbs.... :D
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it's actually not a bad idea to hit chezt on a tues and do back on a monday cuz so many dudes are benching on monday.
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Dorian Yates during his Olympia regin trained each body part each 6 days. But oh, since I do it in 7 days I am "so not cool" according to a couple of faceless getbigers who probably dont even work out. Im loving it.
dorian trained each muscle every 5-12 days IIRC. on average 6-7 days. he didnt let a schedule dictate his workouts, he let his muscles dictate them. (didnt workout unless he felt recovered.. doesnt matter how few or how many days it took.) but you arent dorian yates. the bigger you get, the harder it is for your body to recover from a workout. you probably only need a day or two betwen workouts.
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it's actually not a bad idea to hit chezt on a tues and do back on a monday cuz so many dudes are benching on monday.
Dude, i think that goes against the Weider principles, i don't think you can train like that.
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Why in the blue fuck does everyone on earth "train chest" on monday?
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Why in the blue fuck does everyone on earth "train chest" on monday?
Monday = leg day for chaos.
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Why in the blue fuck does everyone on earth "train chest" on monday?
At the gym I attend, people train chest everyday.
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1. Eventhough I have the personal opinion the once a week routine is the best, I never stated it in this thread. I just posted that it worked good for me and wanted to share experiences.
2. The only reason there are pics of me floating around this thread is because a) YOU begged/dared/demanded it; b) chaos posted one 6 month old mine firstly
3. The thread went apeshit as soon as it was invaded by some keyboard warriors spilling nonsense and factoids, trying to look cool for their clique.
There is some faulty logic in this thread.
Someone says "I train each body part once per week, and here's proof that it's the best...(insert picture), or (insert arm measurements), (etc)"
This does NOT prove that training each body part once per week is ideal. What if training each body part twice per week could have attained the same physique in half the time? Or same measurements in half the time? Of course the opposite could be true as well....What if training once every two weeks is faster?
The point I'm trying to make is that you can't say one routine is superior to another based off of nothing more than opinion and the "results" you've gotten. You could try many routines for the same amount of time and under the same conditions and then you would have a good perspective of which worked faster.
Anyways, I think all routines for the most part will yield results if done consistently and diet and sleep are adequate, but not all routines are optimal. It's the search for the optimal routine that we should all be after...and have some science / experimentation to back it up.
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LOL @ people trying to optimize workouts like it makes any fvcking difference. Just go do some compound exercises and let me know if you get more muscular. If after a few months you havent, find a new hobby or kill yourself.
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Aren't you a mod in the training board? :D
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Aren't you a mod in the training board? :D
Yes and ???
Have you ever been to the training board?
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Why in the blue fuck does everyone on earth "train chest" on monday?
Because chest is a priority... and by Thursday their level of commitment is lacking... and of course the weekend is totally out.
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1. Eventhough I have the personal opinion the once a week routine is the best, I never stated it in this thread. I just posted that it worked good for me and wanted to share experiences.
The very 1st post in this thread, the very first sentence, made by you.
Not that it matters, just pointing out that you are indeed an idiot.
Thats the way I train for a long time and I like it because it helps me being injury free while training insanely hard, I also feel that this is the optimal training schedule in terms of strenght and mass gains (maybe 1 muscle group each 6 days would be the sweet number - like Dorian used to train - but since I am not a bodybuilder I keep the cycle matched with the whole week to fit better with my work and social agenda).
But, the thing is, for example, I train chest on mondays, and when it comes the weekend I feel like my pecs are not as pumped as during the middle of the week, and it kinda of spois the visual effect during this part of the week.
Training chest 2x full throtle is definetly an overkill for me but what about doing a light session on thursday or friday just to pump it up a bit and prepare things for the next monday when I will train this muscle group again? Have anyone tried something like this?
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I, personally, made my best gains while on that routine. That is why I said I FEEL, not that it IS, as a personal experience meaning. Now go on and continue nitpicking all of my posts, have fun.
The very 1st post in this thread, the very first sentence, made by you.
Not that it matters, just pointing out that you are indeed an idiot.
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LOL @ people trying to optimize workouts like it makes any fvcking difference. Just go do some compound exercises and let me know if you get more muscular. If after a few months you havent, find a new hobby or kill yourself.
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you are not going to "overcome your genetics" , "will your way to new muscle growth" or "bust through your plateau and add slabs of muscle"....any more than someone can "will' their way to being six foot two if they are five eleven.
Either you have the horses or you don't. and you will find out pretty quick. if not....take up knitting, or Pinochle... perhaps.
Or you can take steroids and become a larger version of your shitty self
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you are not going to "overcome your genetics" , "will your way to new muscle growth" or "bust through your plateau and add slabs of muscle"....any more than someone can "will' their way to being six foot two if they are five eleven.
Either you have the horses or you don't. and you will find out pretty quick. if not....take up knitting, or Pinochle... perhaps.
Or you can take steroids and become a larger version of your shitty self
so why have you started "killing" your calves during workouts lately as you once posted, or is using suplements such as NO2, or stopped partying hard in exchange for a healthier lifestyle? That IS search for optimization, so stop posting bs just to look cool and "don". I know your purpose in life is to try very hard to push the idea that you are a genetic marvel down the throat of everyone around getbig posting angle pics of your jaw and stuff, but the fact is natural habilities and steroids are not the only variables of the equation and you know that.
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a common mistake most people make with calves is doing the raises off of their big toes...do them off the ball of your foot
oh look who is giving exercise tips, I thought you either had the genetics or you dont ::)
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Are you saying all bodybuilding is nonsense and the average guy looking to build a good physique should just train with compounds mostly, like other strength guys do?
What Im saying is this:
Just in this thread you have 10 different people, who split up their routines 10 different ways, and the truth is it makes no difference. Consistency over time yields results, it doesnt matter if you train chest the day before or after back unless you are a very developed bodybuilder trying to fine tune a physique. Trying to copy 'Dorians' training routine will not make you Dorian for a multitude of reasons.
Dont waste gym time doing crap exercises because you saw that Jay Cutler does them in the newest issue of flex magazine. Stick to the basics. Show me a guy who can bench squat and deadlift 400lbs each, and I'll show you a guy with 'muscular arms'.
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oh look who is giving exercise tips, I thought you either had the genetics or you dont ::)
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Are you really this incompetent? No one is saying you shouldnt train your muscles.
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oh look who is giving exercise tips, I thought you either had the genetics or you dont ::)
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that has nothing to do with performing an exercise correctly you dipshit
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What Im saying is this:
Just in this thread you have 10 different people, who split up their routines 10 different ways, and the truth is it makes no difference. Consistency over time yields results, it doesnt matter if you train chest the day before or after back unless you are a very developed bodybuilder trying to fine tune a physique. Trying to copy 'Dorians' training routine will not make you Dorian for a multitude of reasons.
Dont waste gym time doing crap exercises because you saw that Jay Cutler does them in the newest issue of flex magazine. Stick to the basics. Show me a guy who can bench squat and deadlift 400lbs each, and I'll show you a guy with 'muscular arms'.
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What Im saying is this:
Just in this thread you have 10 different people, who split up their routines 10 different ways, and the truth is it makes no difference. Consistency over time yields results, it doesnt matter if you train chest the day before or after back unless you are a very developed bodybuilder trying to fine tune a physique. Trying to copy 'Dorians' training routine will not make you Dorian for a multitude of reasons.
Dont waste gym time doing crap exercises because you saw that Jay Cutler does them in the newest issue of flex magazine. Stick to the basics. Show me a guy who can bench squat and deadlift 400lbs each, and I'll show you a guy with 'muscular arms'.
That's true.
One thing that I think is very important is to shock your muscles and surprise them with new exercises. So for that reason I throw in lots of odd lifts just to do something different.
But overall, all you really gotta do is pound the weights consistently for a long time.
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does any here remember "Rotation for Recuperation" ?
you'd train each bp 2 x first week and 1x the second week
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That's true.
One thing that I think is very important is to shock your muscles and surprise them with new exercises. So for that reason I throw in lots of odd lifts just to do something different.
But overall, all you really gotta do is pound the weights consistently for a long time.
yea, pretty much, but he changed his tone and content, in epically backpedalling fashion. The keyboard warrior entered in this thread so full of attitude.... "just do some compounds and forget about everything else, or kill yourself brah", in a brutal showboating performance for his clique.
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Your genetics are the last and final word on how big you will be and how you look. you think Phil heath or Lee Priest haven't tried every fucking routine there is to improve their pecs?...and yet they both still have sub-par chests, even after years of pro-level cycles.
this goes for EVERYONE. if you are a skinny tit with zero muscle, odds are you will remain a skinny tit no matter what you do
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Your genetics are the last and final word on how big you will be and how you look. you think Phil heath or Lee Priest haven't tried every fucking routine there is to improve their pecs?...and yet they both still have sub-par chests, even after years of pro-level cycles.
this goes for EVERYONE. if you are a skinny tit with zero muscle, odds are you will remain a skinny tit no matter what you do
This is true. And this is why you have a sub-par chest also. You could inject some synthol in there to pump that shit up, you ever thought about trying that?
You're wrong about skinny tits though. If they get on the sauce they blow up huge usually. I've seen guys as skinny as Steve Urkel turn into fuckin massive dudes plenty of time.
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that's an interesting thought. not a bad idea really.
do you know what I'm referring too?
Frank Calta promoted it
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the "shock your muscle with different exercise" stuff is some of the worst BS to ever grace the face of the earth!!!
you "shock your muscle" by lifting hard enough when you go to the gym. saying you need to change exercises because your body "adapts" to a stimulus is so unbelievably counterproductive... it's a stupid trick to sell more magazines with "new" workout routines. anyone who believes this is going to eternally think that, as soon as they hit a problem, they should rotate out an exercise... wrong!!! As soon as you run into a problem, you should THINK about WHY, and FIX whatever REAL problem you have.
An obvious counterpoint to this stupid belief is how olympic lifters do the same like four lifts every day their lives and somehow have insanely developed legs, erectors, traps, etc. guess their bodies forgot to "adapt." ::)
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This is true. And this is why you have a sub-par chest also. You could inject some synthol in there to pump that shit up, you ever thought about trying that?
You're wrong about skinny tits though. If they get on the sauce they blow up huge usually. I've seen guys as skinny as Steve Urkel turn into fuckin massive dudes plenty of time.
My chest is just fine....i guarantee there are very few here with thicker pecs than me.
as far as the sauce...that's another discussion entirely. but please show me all of these skinny dudes you have "seen blow up huge"....this is an actual discussion here, leave your usual bullshit at the door.
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Your genetics are the last and final word on how big you will be and how you look. you think Phil heath or Lee Priest haven't tried every fucking routine there is to improve their pecs?...and yet they both still have sub-par chests, even after years of pro-level cycles.
this goes for EVERYONE. if you are a skinny tit with zero muscle, odds are you will remain a skinny tit no matter what you do
genetics does play a huge role but is definetly not the final word. you can take a so called genetic freak and make him train like shit and eat candys and carbs all day, he will never sport a six pack, ever.
I know guys that have have excellent physiques naturally and all of them bust their asses off at the gym and are paranoid, almost psychopath, about their diets. Have never met or hear about those genetic gods that trained average and ate average while sporting a 200lb ripped phsyque, not even close do that.
In a nutshefll, if you have bad genetics no matter what you do or eat you will look always way bellow average. If you have good genetics you have the potencial but you still have to train and eat like a mofo. There is no free lunch either way. I REPEAT, NO SUCH THING AS GENECTIC GODS.
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the "shock your muscle with different exercise" stuff is some of the worst BS to ever grace the face of the earth!!!
you "shock your muscle" by lifting hard enough when you go to the gym. saying you need to change exercises because your body "adapts" to a stimulus is so unbelievably counterproductive... it's a stupid trick to sell more magazines with "new" workout routines. anyone who believes this is going to eternally think that, as soon as they hit a problem, they should rotate out an exercise... wrong!!! As soon as you run into a problem, you should THINK about WHY, and FIX whatever REAL problem you have.
An obvious counterpoint to this stupid belief is how olympic lifters do the same like four lifts every day their lives and somehow have insanely developed legs, erectors, traps, etc. guess their bodies forgot to "adapt." ::)
My body does adapt and new stimulus does work it harder.
For example. Last month I went ice skating for the first time in years. After ice skating my legs felt FRIED and I could barely walk. Of course, if I ice skated regularly I wouldn't get that intense soreness like that.
Or a couple days ago I did some shrugs, which I havn't done in months. And it totally FRIED my traps and just stimulated the muscle deeply.
It does work.
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Your genetics are the last and final word on how big you will be and how you look.
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My chest is just fine....i guarantee there are very few here with thicker pecs than me.
as far as the sauce...that's another discussion entirely. but please show me all of these skinny dudes you have "seen blow up huge"....this is an actual discussion here, leave your usual bullshit at the door.
Well the guys i've seen blow up are just guys i've known and met over the years. I don't have any pics.
gh15 said the same thing. He said skinny guys often have a great potential to turn into monsters if they go on aas and gh.
Just look at guys like Kevin Levrone. He's a whole lot of nothing naturally, but he gets on the sauce and he blows the fuck up. It's all about how well your steroid receptors are firing.
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my current split is:
day 1: chest (10 sets) + biceps (8 sets) + forearms (4 sets) + hams (4 sets)..
day 2: back (12 sets) + traps (6 sets) + abs (6 sets) + calves (8 sets)..
day 3: shoulders (12 sets) + triceps (8 sets) + quads (6 sets)..
if i train alone it takes 35-45 minutes max. to finish any workout.. with my training partner we finish in around one hour.. i always do 2 sets per exercise the first is very heavy (5-7 reps) and the second to be moderate (9-11 reps),.. both sets to failure..
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gh15 said the same thing. He said skinny guys often have a great potential to turn into monsters if they go on aas and gh.
All depends on their response to gear. Some of the greatest bodybuilders of all time were skinny fucking twinks before they juiced.
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genetics does play a huge role but is definetly not the final word. you can take a so called genetic freak and make him train like shit and eat candys and carbs all day, he will never sport a six pack, ever.
I know guys that have have excellent physiques naturally and all of them bust their asses off at the gym and are paranoid, almost psychopath, about their diets. Have never met or hear about those genetic gods that trained average and ate average while sporting a 200lb ripped phsyque, not even close do that.
In a nutshefll, if you have bad genetics no matter what you do or eat you will look always way bellow average. If you have good genetics you have the potencial but you still have to train and eat like a mofo. There is no free lunch either way. I REPEAT, NO SUCH THING AS GENECTIC GODS.
so you are agreeing with me.
The thing is the guy who eats candy has the POTENTIAL to look insane, he just doesn't train or eat properly. the guy with shit genetics will NEVER look insane no matter what he does...genetics rule all.
In my statement i am assuming all things are equal as far as training and diet.
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my current split is:
day 1: chest (10 sets) + biceps (8 sets) + forearms (4 sets) + hams (4 sets)..
day 2: back (12 sets) + traps (6 sets) + abs (6 sets) + calves (8 sets)..
day 3: shoulders (12 sets) + triceps (8 sets) + quads (6 sets)..
if i train alone it takes 35-45 minutes max. to finish any workout.. with my training partner we finish in around one hour.. i always do sets per exercise the first is very heavy (5-7 reps) and the second to be moderate (9-11 reps),.. both sets to failure..
Chest alone takes 40 min for me, sometimes even more. I probably do more sets and use more intervals (1 to 3 min) which lets me lift more intensely I believe.
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genetics does play a huge role but is definetly not the final word. you can take a so called genetic freak and make him train like shit and eat candys and carbs all day, he will never sport a six pack, ever.
I REPEAT, NO SUCH THING AS GENECTIC GODS.
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You’re an idiot and have no clue what you‘re talking about. Genetic freaks eat like complete shit and hardly train.. and still look awesome.
Lots of people eat total garbage and possess a six pack.
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Well the guys i've seen blow up are just guys i've known and met over the years. I don't have any pics.
gh15 said the same thing. He said skinny guys often have a great potential to turn into monsters if they go on aas and gh.
Just look at guys like Kevin Levrone. He's a whole lot of nothing naturally, but he gets on the sauce and he blows the fuck up. It's all about how well your steroid receptors are firing.
If a "skinny" guy is a lean dude with good structure and muscle bellies, then yeah he will look great, like levrone.
for every one guy like that, there are a hundred who will just get bigger and not look impressive
response to gear is part of "genetics"....but that's a different discussion. i thought we were talking about natty trainers here.
as far as you knowing plenty of skinny guys who have gotten huge on the juice, sorry but i'm calling bullshit as usual. Now all of the sudden you are a wizened old gym rat who has spent decades in the gym? doubt it. i doubt you know three people in real life who have taken steroids
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so you are agreeing with me.
The thing is the guy who eats candy has the POTENTIAL to look insane, he just doesn't train or eat properly. the guy with shit genetics will NEVER look insane no matter what he does...genetics rule all.
In my statement i am assuming all things are equal as far as training and diet.
yea I agree, but the original point was that mr keyboard warrior was mockering the idea of fine tuning a workout and then some epic generalizations came from it. From that point everything turned into a fuck fest. Now it seems the discussion is starting to be positive again.
Also, I am pretty much a stick to the basics, a-b-c guy. But again, thats not what was being talked about during in the first pages.
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LOL ^
You’re an idiot and have no clue what you‘re talking about. Genetic freaks eat like complete shit and hardly train.. and still look awesome.
Lots of people eat total garbage and possess a six pack.
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hahah Lift heavy shit, relax, lift heavier shit, relax.....repeat X infinity.
LOL @ all the complications people put into their workouts.
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hahah Lift heavy shit, relax, lift heavier shit, relax.....repeat X infinity.
LOL @ all the complications people put into their workouts.
says the mod of the TRAINING board, lol, gotta love ole getbig ;D
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Yes.. roll your eyes. You’re talking out of your ass. Its comical.
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says the mod of the TRAINING board, lol, gotta love ole getbig ;D
What's your point ???
Is it your opinion that a complicated workout is a "better" workout than a simple one ???
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If a "skinny" guy is a lean dude with good structure and muscle bellies, then yeah he will look great, like levrone.
for every one guy like that, there are a hundred who will just get bigger and not look impressive
response to gear is part of "genetics"....but that's a different discussion. i thought we were talking about natty trainers here.
as far as you knowing plenty of skinny guys who have gotten huge on the juice, sorry but i'm calling bullshit as usual. Now all of the sudden you are a wizened old gym rat who has spent decades in the gym? doubt it. i doubt you know three people in real life who have taken steroids
Let me set you straight Mr. Greasy Guido.
I started lifting in 1994 as a youngster, and since then i've only taken a couple long breaks. I've spent a LOT of time in the gym.
Most of my childhood buddies who I went to school with have done a lot of gear. I used to be part of a circle where most of the guys were doing gear and selling gear. I met a lot of juiceheads and they spoke openly with me about it. That's just the direction my childhood buddies went in. That's why i'm into lifting too.
I'm no expert, but i've been around ALL kinds of drugs including steroids. I know what's up with it.
Speaking of calling bullshit..... your chest does suck. You got good arms, but your torso is lagging way behind those arms. Bring it up will ya?
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Yes.. roll your eyes. You’re talking out of your ass. Its comical.
ok dude, I will let you and your genetic gods alone, enjoy your time together.
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ok dude, I will let you and your genetic gods alone, enjoy your time together.
Dipshit.
Just worry about your fat ass and stop making ridiculous blanket statements.
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What's your point ???
Is it your opinion that a complicated workout is a "better" workout than a simple one ???
Im againat exagerations in both ways (crude workouts vs complex ones). I agree that they should be basic, but there are some variables that can make a good difference. As they say, the devil is in the detalis.
btw I rarely or never do those super, drop, etc. sets, circuits etc bullshit, in case any of you are wondering.
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Let me set you straight Mr. Greasy Guido.
I started lifting in 1994 as a youngster, and since then i've only taken a couple long breaks. I've spent a LOT of time in the gym.
Most of my childhood buddies who I went to school with have done a lot of gear. I used to be part of a circle where most of the guys were doing gear and selling gear. I met a lot of juiceheads and they spoke openly with me about it.
I'm no expert, but i've been around ALL kinds of drugs including steroids. I know what's up with it.
Speaking of calling bullshit..... your chest does suck. You got good arms, but your torso is lagging way behind those arms. Bring it up will ya?
No you haven't...you are just talking out of your ass...it's what you do around here.
if someone says they are an astronaut...you are like "yeah...i was an astronaut too" ::) you are a joke
My chest certainly isn't my strong point ( no one has everything) but it's bigger than just about anyones here, certainly crushes yours.
But to say my "torso" sucks is comical, .....my back and shoulders are fucking tremendous. it's just you being a dick as usual
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Chest alone takes 40 min for me, sometimes even more. I probably do more sets and use more intervals (1 to 3 min) which lets me lift more intensely I believe.
i was doing more sets in the past.. for chest i was doing 15-16 sets,.. all heavy and to the failure.. so instead of the 2 sets (one heavy & one moderate) per exercise i do now i was doing 3 heavy set per exercise.. this decrease in my training volume has increased the poundage of ALL my lifts and made any workout much more interesting and not as boring and exhausting as before!!.. sometimes the extra effort we do means OVER TRAINING..
may be this is not the case with you because we are not all the same and each one responds differently to the same thing but if i was you i would try for a while to decrease my training volume and see!!..
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No you haven't...you are just talking out of your ass...it's what you do around here.
if someone says they are an astronaut...you are like "yeah...i was an astronaut too" ::) you are a joke
My chest certainly isn't my strong point ( no one has everything) but it's bigger than just about anyones here, certainly crushes yours.
But to say my "torso" sucks is comical, .....my back and shoulders are fucking tremendous. it's just you being a dick as usual
I only talk about what I know.
And I do know about lots of different things.
Just a fact. I have no problem admitting I don't know about something if I truely don't know.
As for your torso. The only picture of it I saw was the one with a bra photoshopped on it. And in that pic, your entire torso didn't look too great at all. But maybe it was a bad picture.
I've talked out my ass a lot before on this site but lately i've been in a more serious and friendly mood. I ain't fucking around.
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Hey Straw Man,
I actually met Frank Calta and was going to one of his gyms in Tampa, FL for about 6 months. It was called Calta's Fitness. It was actually one of the nicest gyms I've trained in, and I've been to gyms all over the country due to work. His gym just had a certain "feel" to it, and he had a lot of the new nautilus equipment, and it also didnt hurt that there were some really really really hot women working out there.
I have never heard of "Rotation for Recuperation" though. I mentioned to him once that I was having some shoulder pain due to bench pressing, and he recommended that I bring the bar to my neck and not to my chest. He said it would mean "less weight", but would give me a better chest workout and take the shoulders out of the equation more.
Maybe you can post a link to the "Rotation for Recuperation" idea.
I don't have a link
I read about it in MM International sometime in the early 1980's
followed the routine during high school and got pretty strong, gained a lot of weight
you basically split your body in half and did Mon, Wed, Fri
and then reversed the following week
I think the key for me at that time was it was easy to follow
I lifted on Mon, Wed, Fri
consistently
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for genetic GODNESSES Im all in ;D
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for genetic GODNESSES Im all in ;D
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my current split is:
day 1: chest (10 sets) + biceps (8 sets) + forearms (4 sets) + hams (4 sets)..
day 2: back (12 sets) + traps (6 sets) + abs (6 sets) + calves (8 sets)..
day 3: shoulders (12 sets) + triceps (8 sets) + quads (6 sets)..
Not trying to be overly critical here... but do you realize you do the LEAST SETS for legs... Minus the calves... you do almost as many sets for calves as you do the whole rest of the leg.
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Not trying to be overly critical here... but do you realize you do the LEAST SETS for legs... Minus the calves... you do almost as many sets for calves as you do the whole rest of the leg.
i agree with you but i really do the number of sets for each part till i feel it's well trained.. i don't say this is a small part so it's enough to do 4 sets and this is a big one so i must do 10 sets.. it all depends on my feeling.. also i train calves only one time a week while most ppl who train each part once a week make calves an exception and train them 2-3 time.. also 2 sets of the calves sets i do are just with my body weight..
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always trained each muscle twice a week (except for legs, cuz it's the weekend when that time comes and i don't go to the gym on weekends... and i hate training those shits)...
much better results than when i trained them once a week...
either low volume (3-6 sets per muscle) or high volume (20 sets per muscle)... all gave great results and more superior than training it once a week... to me at least
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Dorian Yates during his Olympia regin trained each body part each 6 days. But oh, since I do it in 7 days I am "so not cool" according to a couple of faceless getbigers who probably dont even work out. Im loving it.
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genetics does play a huge role but is definetly not the final word. you can take a so called genetic freak and make him train like shit and eat candys and carbs all day, he will never sport a six pack, ever.
I know guys that have have excellent physiques naturally and all of them bust their asses off at the gym and are paranoid, almost psychopath, about their diets. Have never met or hear about those genetic gods that trained average and ate average while sporting a 200lb ripped phsyque, not even close do that.
In a nutshefll, if you have bad genetics no matter what you do or eat you will look always way bellow average. If you have good genetics you have the potencial but you still have to train and eat like a mofo. There is no free lunch either way. I REPEAT, NO SUCH THING AS GENECTIC GODS.
You have no idea man, plenty of people eat like 'shit' and have a six pack.
There are definitively genetic gods out there, have you ever heard of Sergio Oliva and how he ate?
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TRAINING>>>>>>"diet" ;)
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You have no idea man, plenty of people eat like 'shit' and have a six pack.
There are definitively genetic gods out there, have you ever heard of Sergio Oliva and how he ate?
ROFL ::)
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ROFL ::)
:D keep buying into muscle&fitness and flex 'diet' tips then.
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ni99a please
Sergio had awesome genetics but he had to breathe bbing 24/7 and pop multiple d-bols on daily basis to achieve his physique. What a sorry ass example you had for a contra-argument. So much for GENETIC GODS eating like shit and growing muscle just staring at weights
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A lot of people calling you an idiot in this thread bambam.
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Hello keyboard warrior, glad youre back. Even if what you just posted was the truth, i could care less about popularity contests in getbig.
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ni99a please
Sergio had awesome genetics but he had to breathe bbing 24/7 and pop multiple d-bols on daily basis to achieve his physique. What a sorry ass example you had for a contra-argument. So much for GENETIC GODS eating like shit and growing muscle just staring at weights
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I never posted anything about 'growing muscle just staring at weights', my point was there is no magic diet that will help over your genetic limitations and how you naively said that someone can't have a great physique while eating 'shit'.
Of course Sergio trained hard and used steroids, what difference does that make regarding how he ate to gain? You just said it: he had awesome genetics.
But like I said, if you want to believe a special magic diet with super nutrient timing and crap like that is going to make a difference, then so be it.
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my current split is:
day 1: chest (10 sets) + biceps (8 sets) + forearms (4 sets) + hams (4 sets)..
day 2: back (12 sets) + traps (6 sets) + abs (6 sets) + calves (8 sets)..
day 3: shoulders (12 sets) + triceps (8 sets) + quads (6 sets)..
if i train alone it takes 35-45 minutes max. to finish any workout.. with my training partner we finish in around one hour.. i always do 2 sets per exercise the first is very heavy (5-7 reps) and the second to be moderate (9-11 reps),.. both sets to failure..
Your split prove you must be on gear, because without that, your body can't recover such crazy amount of sets and reps. Further more, it seem to me that want to kill your bi- and triceps. Your bicep weights something like 2 lb and you quadriceps weight something like 5 lb. Still you do more sets and reps with the smaller and lighter muscles. You don't need a fucking marathon for your biceps, you need few good sets with good form and heavy weights. For example, Marko Savolainen used to do 3 sets for the biceps. Barbell curl: First two sets was 25 reps for warming up, third set was drop set from the 8x 264lb to 8x 220, then 10x 176, 12 x 132 and 15 x 88lb. You should try that...
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Spot on post JP_RC, it seems that many here are literally bound in fear of with regards to "diet" ;)
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Mine is quite simple.
Mondays and Thursday: Upper Body
Tuesdays and Fridays: Legs
To help bring up my arms, I train them first on Thursday, followed by back and chest, and lastly shoulders.
On Mondays, the order is reversed: Shoulders first, then back and chest, and arms last.
Legs are even simpler: Calves first, then hamstrings, and finally quads.
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Your split prove you must be on gear, because without that, your body can't recover such crazy amount of sets and reps. Further more, it seem to me that want to kill your bi- and triceps. Your bicep weights something like 2 lb and you quadriceps weight something like 5 lb. Still you do more sets and reps with the smaller and lighter muscles. You don't need a fucking marathon for your biceps, you need few good sets with good form and heavy weights. For example, Marko Savolainen used to do 3 sets for the biceps. Barbell curl: First two sets was 25 reps for warming up, third set was drop set from the 8x 264lb to 8x 220, then 10x 176, 12 x 132 and 15 x 88lb. You should try that...
Have you seen his pics, he ain't on gear. Your body recovers fine if you have half decent genetics in any event.
Oh and who cares how Marko trained, the guy was all drugs and seo.
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Spot on post JP_RC, it seems that many here are literally bound in fear of with regards to "diet" ;)
Oh shit, here we are again, being spammed "insights" by another getbigger "expert", who actually looks like he never touched a fucking barbell in his whole life, trying to look cool in downplaying the diet aspect of the game. Listen sport, as much as a lot of delusional people want to deny it, nutrition IS important. If you are strong and showing a six pack you are either eating very smartly or on a heavy drug regimen, or both. No two ways about it and no such things as "genetic gods".
I find it very funny that in the gym basket cases like you doesnt even dare to look at me, and here I am on the internet wasting time with epic discussions with people of the same kind.
Also, I see this debate started going circular since the last one or two pages of this thread, so I am leaving it here.
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Believe what you want man, I'm just not speaking from my own twink experiences. I have observed plenty of very large and muscular fellas who eat dirty and are very strong and massive. Riddle me this? How many weighted chins can you do with 50 pounds around your waist? I can do 8 full reps, from full extension to full flexion. Is that a weakling to you? I'd be willing to bet that you couldn't even do 8 full reps with bodyweight, let alone 50 pounds added on ya.
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Oh shit, here we are again, being spammed "insights" by another getbigger "expert", who actually looks like he never touched a fucking barbell in his whole life, trying to look cool in downplaying the diet aspect of the game. Listen sport, as much as a lot of delusional people want to deny it, nutrition IS important. If you are strong and showing a six pack you are either eating very smartly or on a heavy drug regimen, or both. No two ways about it and no such things as "genetic gods".
I find it very funny that in the gym basket cases like you doesnt even dare to look at me, and here I am on the internet wasting time with epic discussions with people of the same kind.
Also, I see this debate started going circular since the last one or two pages of this thread, so I am leaving it here.
Six pack is low bodyfat, if you have a fast metabolism then you can pretty much eat what you like.
I was lifting very heavy on a complete shit diet, fucking heavy drugs regime, jesus christ.
There are clearly big differences in regards to genetics, it's not even a debate. You have the three classic archtypes and a vast array of variables between them. Scores of other factors to that are too numerous for me to even state.
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Its truly sad how many people buy into the perpetuated bodybuilding bullshit.
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I hardly do any arm exercises anymore. :(
:o really ?
i would never have guessed given the size of those two pipe cleaners you are sporting.
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Believe what you want man, I'm just not speaking from my own twink experiences. I have observed plenty of very large and muscular fellas who eat dirty and are very strong and massive. Riddle me this? How many weighted chins can you do with 50 pounds around your waist? I can do 8 full reps, from full extension to full flexion. Is that a weakling to you? I'd be willing to bet that you couldn't even do 8 full reps with bodyweight, let alone 50 pounds added on ya.
lol, forget about chins, come to my gym and I will grab your twink ass plus your 50 pounds around wasit and skull crush you for reps, deal? Schmoes all around the world will be epically jeaslous of you, lol
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Wait a minute! Are you that brazilian guy who claimed to bench press 450 pounds for reps?
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nope, Im having my hands full with three plates each side right now, shooting for 4 plates for reps till the end of the year. I admit my chest strenght is less than stellar compared with the rest of my body, specially arms. But I will get there.
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Wait a minute! Are you that brazilian guy who claimed to bench press 450 pounds for reps?
isn't that mesomorph you are talking about.
i believe he is jamaican/english
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Thats the way I train for a long time and I like it because it helps me being injury free while training insanely hard, I also feel that this is the optimal training schedule in terms of strenght and mass gains (maybe 1 muscle group each 6 days would be the sweet number - like Dorian used to train - but since I am not a bodybuilder I keep the cycle matched with the whole week to fit better with my work and social agenda).
But, the thing is, for example, I train chest on mondays, and when it comes the weekend I feel like my pecs are not as pumped as during the middle of the week, and it kinda of spois the visual effect during this part of the week.
Training chest 2x full throttle is definitely an overkill for me but what about doing a light session on thursday or friday just to pump it up a bit and prepare things for the next monday when I will train this muscle group again? Have anyone tried something like this?
It's all about social agenda.
You can keep your chest day wherever you want, but wear tighter shirts and do arms on Thursday or Friday.
Oh, and drink more Trac Extreme from MHP.
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It's not mesomorph that I'm talking about panda, if I remember correctly this fella was a huge hoyce gracie fan.
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People respond differently...you just have to find what works best for you.
...the only body part I ever work more then once a week is arms.
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I usually hit the muscle about ever six days. Then about 1/3 of the time i'll hit it 2x in one week.
So usually every week i'm hitting a couple muscle groups twice and I rotate which groups I hit twice.
Hitting every muscle 2x per week every week would be great, but most people just don't have the time to lift that much.
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Your split prove you must be on gear, because without that, your body can't recover such crazy amount of sets and reps. Further more, it seem to me that want to kill your bi- and triceps. Your bicep weights something like 2 lb and you quadriceps weight something like 5 lb. Still you do more sets and reps with the smaller and lighter muscles. You don't need a fucking marathon for your biceps, you need few good sets with good form and heavy weights. For example, Marko Savolainen used to do 3 sets for the biceps. Barbell curl: First two sets was 25 reps for warming up, third set was drop set from the 8x 264lb to 8x 220, then 10x 176, 12 x 132 and 15 x 88lb. You should try that...
i agree with you that it's ironic to do more sets for my biceps than my quads but i was just mentioning what i do and not the perfect thing in general.. but i don't think biceps or triceps can't bear 8 sets putting in mind that i do the first set of each exercise only very heavy and the second moderate so they are 4 heavy sets only!!..
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No, actually Im genuinely trying to enlighten those who have been brainwashed by spoon-fed bodybuilding bullshit.
Normally I dont like to bash, but youre really perpetuating this. So explain this to me 'stretch marks'. Youve posted your pictures and make no mistake you have a very average physique. It doesnt matter if your arms tape out at 19'' or 29'', you have not posted a picture of a muscular arm, despite the fact that of the few visible muscles, your arms may be your best feature as you have no chest, no traps, no thickness whatsoever.
So here you are diving deep into a 'training split' when what you fail to realize is what I said in my first post, that you'd do better to just do some compound movements and call it a day.
Ever been to a powerlifting gym? You never see anyone in there doing an 'arm day', yet they all have significantly more muscular arms than you. Does that tell you anything?
Go watch a strongman competition. Those guys have pretty big legs huh. Do you think its cause they 'prioritize their hamstrings' by doing a standing leg curl on its own separate day?
Maybe you'll finally get it, or maybe you are too stupid.
sorry for my mediocre 19 natty arms, here are some relaxed pecs for you, keyboard warrior
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:o really ?
i would never have guessed given the size of those two pipe cleaners you are sporting.
LMAO, my arms are way bigger than yours and I don't carry anywhere near the fat you do, GutButt. :D
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sorry for my mediocre 19 natty arms, here are some relaxed pecs for you, keyboard warrior
I thought u were letting this die?
You wish to continue, ok. Here. You look like nothing. You have an average physique. You are 'in shape' I suppose, as you are not fat, but do not appear muscular in any way at all.
It is absolutely pathetic the amount of time and energy you dedicate in life to bodybuilding as compared to what you have to show for it.
And since you keep calling me 'keyboard warrior', did you check out my pics yet?
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yes, 6'1 230lbs 10-12% bf, 19-20 inch arms, natural, pretty average I guess
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yes, 6'1 230lbs 10-12% bf, 19-20 inch arms, natural, pretty average I guess
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19-20 inch arms, 10=12% ?
Are you talking about your avatar picture? If so, those stats seem exagerated.
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yes, 6'1 230lbs 10-12% bf, 19-20 inch arms, natural, pretty average I guess
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Further proving how stupid you are, bodybuilding hell physiques in general arent about stats. Its about what you look like. Your first sentence in this entire thread is that you train a certain way as you feel it maximizes strength and mass.
'Thats the way I train for a long time and I like it because it helps me being injury free while training insanely hard, I also feel that this is the optimal training schedule in terms of strenght and mass gains '
What is this mass you speak of? You have none. Are you really that delusional that you see a muscular physique in those pictures?
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Taco I know you had posted pics, but in which thread it was? (no homo).
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19-20 inch arms, 10=12% ?
Are you talking about your avatar picture? If so, those stats seem exagerated.
the pic of my avatar was taken early june, been to the gym since beggining of the year, was a litle lighter and a lot softer there
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Taco I know you had posted pics, but in which thread it was? (no homo).
Honestly dunno it was a few yrs ago now but they were in a few different threads.
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Honestly dunno it was a few yrs ago now but they were in a few different threads.
ok
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Honestly dunno it was a few yrs ago now but they were in a few different threads.
dude, its page 9 already, why dont the keyboard warrior man up and posts his goddamn pics, show me how average my 19 inches guns are, how I have zero mass, I promisse I will take it well and keep working out and improving my physique]
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yes, 6'1 230lbs 10-12% bf, 19-20 inch arms, natural, pretty average I guess
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Are you saying you are 10-12% bf and have 19-20" arms in this pic?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=363181.0;attach=398953;image)
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Are you saying you are 10-12% bf and have 19-20" arms in this pic?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=363181.0;attach=398953;image)
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Are you saying you are 10-12% bf and have 19-20" arms in this pic?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=363181.0;attach=398953;image)
I took this pic today, Im closer to 10% and just measured my right arm at 49cm which is 19.20 inches or so
If I up the carbs I get near the 20 inch mark rather quickly but that is not my plan right now.
Took these two pics minutes ago, arm 100% cold, as you know today was leg day for me
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I took this pic today, Im closer to 10% and just measured my right arm at 49cm which is 19.20 inches or so
If I up the carbs I get near the 20 inch mark rather quickly but that is not my plan right now.
Took these two pics minutes ago, arm 100% cold, as you know today was leg day for me
If you're 6'1", I can see your arms being 19" or close. But you are well over 15% bf, not 10%, where you'd have a very well defined 6 pack.
The True Adonis would say you have about 50lb to shed before you get ripped.
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Got any pics with a tape measure wrapped around it?
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If you're 6'1", I can see your arms being 19" or close. But you are well over 15% bf, not 10%, where you'd have a very well defined 6 pack.
The True Adonis would say you have about 50lb to shed before you get ripped.
Its an estimate, but Im definely not over 12%. Either way, I know I need a lot more cuting. And the pic is zommed out and blurred, my abs are showing I guarantee you that.
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Its an estimate, but Im definely not over 12%. Either way, I know I need a lot more cuting. And the pic is zommed out and blurred, my abs are showing I guarantee you that.
Good job cutting the gyno out on that last pic. ;)
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Its an estimate, but Im definely not over 12%. Either way, I know I need a lot more cuting. And the pic is zommed out and blurred, my abs are showing I guarantee you that.
I'd say you're well over 15% - probably 18%.
If you're OK with it, let me start a thread on it and see what our Getbig brothers have to say ;D
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Got any pics with a tape measure wrapped around it?
ok, the tape is old as fuck and Im prepared for the flaming I will get, but you can still see the numbers clearely. Its reads 49.50 cm but its actually 49, I couldnt do the tightening since I was holding the cell phone taking the picture with the other hand.
And no, I cant prove there is not a beer can on the other side adding up the extra 5 inches
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Good job cutting the gyno out on that last pic. ;)
lol no, I have some funny hairs around the nipple area that I dont want any getbigers making fun about ;D
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I hardly do any arm exercises anymore. :(
i really only do heavy preacher curls, and sometimes db curls for bis, and extensions, and close grip for tris....i do dips and all that shit, but as far as direct focused movements go, thats it..
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I'd say you're well over 15% - probably 18%.
If you're OK with it, let me start a thread on it and see what our Getbig brothers have to say ;D
lol as I said bf % is just estimation, I dont have the tools to measure it. Your incisivity got me thinking though, I think I will have someone measure it as soon as this weekend.
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lol as I said bf % is just estimation, I dont have the tools to measure it. Your incisivity got me thinking though, I think I will have someone measure it.
you look to be around 18%...but who gives a shit?...its not like you are competing, or doing this shit for a living...just have fun with it before you get old and fall apart...
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lol as I said bf % is just estimation, I dont have the tools to measure it. Your incisivity got me thinking though, I think I will have someone measure it.
You do that. I'll start a thread on it and we'll see what the people here say. There are a few who can give a fairly accurate estimate from the pics alone.
I'm thinking you're somewhere between 18-20%
Also, we can't see shit in that tape measure pic. If you're posting one, have your arm out, like you're doing a double bicep pose and let the tape hang off the arm, while being firm/taut.
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You do that. I'll start a thread on it and we'll see what the people here say. There are a few who can give a fairly accurate estimate from the pics alone.
I'm thinking you're somewhere between 18-20%
I remember the last time I got it measured (long time ago) it was 12% and my midsection was more or less the same as right now. So either my memory or the chick who measured it was way off.
But seriously, 15%, 17% tops, no way Im 20%. This would make guys like Alex23 40%, Fatpanda 80%, lol
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I remember the last time I got it measured (long time ago) it was 12% and my midsection was more or less the same as right now. So either my memory or the chick who measured it was way off.
But seriously, 15%, 17% tops, no way Im 20%. This would make guys like Alex23 40%, Fatpanda 80%, lol
they are...alex drinks a lot ;D i have a feeling he holds a lot of water though...
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I remember the last time I got it measured (long time ago) it was 12% and my midsection was more or less the same as right now. So either my memory or the chick who measured it was way off.
But seriously, 15%, 17% tops, no way Im 20%. This would make guys like Alex23 40%, Fatpanda 80%, lol
I don't think you're over 20% or perhaps even 20%. But you'd be close - maybe 18% or so.
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Hey kiwi, I'm gonna post some arm pics today, do you think the experts will be able to give an estimate of my bf through only the arm pics? In my guess-timate in sitting at about 12% or so, still basically a fatass.
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Bam
6'1 230 at 10% with 19 inch arms?
Let me get my crystal ball and see the truth.
Ok. Got it.
You're closer to 5'11 1/2 220 pounds on your best day. And yes you are 20%-23% bodyfat in photos. That my friend translates to about 182 pounds contest shape(6%) with(if your lucky) 17 inch arms. I can tell by the photo's that you're clean. Your neck and shoulders look basically untrained. And I'm guessing that your legs probably look the same. No flame, its just that I have an eye for this shit. ;) To be honest, you have the physique of a guy who is like 6'4 or 6'5. Swimmer like. But anyone tall doesn't round way down when it comes to height. So if you are about 6 feet tall, you have a very novice like physique. I suggest all the GH15 principles be added to your daily regimen at once.
Your welcome
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Bam
6'1 230 at 10% with 19 inch arms?
Let me get my crystal ball and see the truth.
Ok. Got it.
You're closer to 5'11 1/2 220 pounds on your best day. And yes you are 20%-23% bodyfat in photos. That my friend translates to about 182 pounds contest shape(6%) with(if your lucky) 17 inch arms. I can tell by the photo's that you're clean. Your neck and shoulders look basically untrained. And I'm guessing that your legs probably look the same. No flame, its just that I have an eye for this shit. ;) To be honest, you have the physique of a guy who is like 6'4 or 6'5. Swimmer like. But anyone tall doesn't round way down when it comes to height. So if you are about 6 feet tall, you have a very novice like physique. I suggest all the GH15 principles be added to your daily regimen at once.
Your welcome
Good eye.