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Re: stimulate, dont annihilate!!! key to training success
« Reply #450 on: February 18, 2011, 06:39:22 PM »
Do a set to failure, get the fuck out of there. You've stimulated growth right there. You've just overcome the body's previous muscular ability and gave it a reason to respond and improve. Sure, that extra set won't COMPLETELY screw you, it just won't help you any more than the previous one already did.

So you are saying doing 1 set to failure is all i need to stimulate growth? LOL come on... I can do a set to absolute failure where I literally can not move the weight another inch... rest about a minute and then am able to do more reps with the same weight. You say the rest of these reps and sets "won't help", not buyin' it.

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Re: stimulate, dont annihilate!!! key to training success
« Reply #451 on: February 18, 2011, 06:52:43 PM »
I disagree I doubt if I did 1 sets to failure on 3-4 exercises that it would be anywhere near as effective as what I do now. 4-5 sets

I'm with you... I have tried that and not been successful... everyone is different, blank statements that "this is what you should do" are crap...

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Re: stimulate, dont annihilate!!! key to training success
« Reply #452 on: February 18, 2011, 06:56:11 PM »
So you are saying doing 1 set to failure is all i need to stimulate growth? LOL come on... I can do a set to absolute failure where I literally can not move the weight another inch... rest about a minute and then am able to do more reps with the same weight. You say the rest of these reps and sets "won't help", not buyin' it.

And I do not agree with you at all that doing a set to failure has "overcome the body's previous musclar ability... and that is reason enough to respond and improve etc"... even if last week i did a set of flat benchpress for 5 reps and this week i was able to do 6.

Look, I'm not going to argue with you. I trained the way you speak of for 2 years and LITERALLY didn't put on a pound. You don't have to believe that, but I have no reason to lie to you. I had that mentality, where I had some level of fear and uncertainty that I "wasn't doing enough to stimulate growth". I kept it up regardless of no progress. I switched to my current fashion of training...well I used to be 128 lbs. I'm a lean 198 lbs after 3 years of this type of training and EVERY other person I have trained with using this method have had very similar gains.

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Re: stimulate, dont annihilate!!! key to training success
« Reply #453 on: February 18, 2011, 07:00:21 PM »
Look, I'm not going to argue with you. I trained the way you speak of for 2 years and LITERALLY didn't put on a pound. You don't have to believe that, but I have no reason to lie to you. I had that mentality, where I had some level of fear and uncertainty that I "wasn't doing enough to stimulate growth". I kept it up regardless of no progress. I switched to my current fashion of training...well I used to be 128 lbs. I'm a lean 198 lbs after 3 years of this type of training and EVERY other person I have trained with using this method have had very similar gains.

Again, everyone responds differently. Diet, rest, genetics all are part of the equation. I'm sure you have changed more than just your training routine to put on 70 pounds of muscle in 3 years.

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Re: stimulate, dont annihilate!!! key to training success
« Reply #454 on: February 18, 2011, 07:09:19 PM »
LMAO @ this whole discussion.....talk about overthinking shit.
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Re: stimulate, dont annihilate!!! key to training success
« Reply #455 on: February 18, 2011, 07:19:01 PM »
LMAO @ this whole discussion.....talk about overthinking shit.

Lifting weights is very complicated.

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Re: stimulate, dont annihilate!!! key to training success
« Reply #456 on: February 18, 2011, 07:22:32 PM »
Lifting weights is very complicated.
says the guy who did his phD on the subject  ;D (related)
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Re: stimulate, dont annihilate!!! key to training success
« Reply #457 on: February 18, 2011, 07:23:33 PM »
says the guy who did his phD on the subject  ;D (related)

My work actually didn't have much if anything to do with lifting (but a lot to do with muscle!).

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Re: stimulate, dont annihilate!!! key to training success
« Reply #458 on: February 18, 2011, 07:25:27 PM »
My work actually didn't have much if anything to do with lifting (but a lot to do with muscle!).
what = your area of investigation into men in thongz?
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Re: stimulate, dont annihilate!!! key to training success
« Reply #459 on: February 18, 2011, 07:27:32 PM »
what = your area of investigation into men in thongz?

It was about properties of muscle and how they affect movement.

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Re: stimulate, dont annihilate!!! key to training success
« Reply #460 on: February 18, 2011, 07:27:57 PM »
Lifting weights is very complicated.
???

Pick it up, put it down........
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Re: stimulate, dont annihilate!!! key to training success
« Reply #461 on: February 18, 2011, 07:29:14 PM »
???

Pick it up, put it down........

You are cheating yourself out of a potential 0.5 micrograms of lean mass per year with this knucklehead approach chaos.

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Re: stimulate, dont annihilate!!! key to training success
« Reply #462 on: February 18, 2011, 07:30:55 PM »
You are cheating yourself out of a potential 0.5 micrograms of lean mass per year with this knucklehead approach chaos.
Oh no. :o
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« Reply #463 on: February 18, 2011, 07:31:10 PM »
It was about properties of muscle and how they affect movement.
nice I wish I was smart so I could get in on this muscle gayning stuff.
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Re: stimulate, dont annihilate!!! key to training success
« Reply #464 on: February 18, 2011, 07:32:53 PM »
nice I wish I was smart so I could get in on this muscle gayning stuff.

Going to school for a long time doesn't necessarily make you smart.  I know lots of imbeciles with PhDs.

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Re: stimulate, dont annihilate!!! key to training success
« Reply #465 on: February 18, 2011, 07:36:18 PM »
Going to school for a long time doesn't necessarily make you smart.  I know lots of imbeciles with PhDs.
Takes one to know one.
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Re: stimulate, dont annihilate!!! key to training success
« Reply #466 on: February 18, 2011, 07:45:48 PM »
Takes one to know one.

I resemble that remark.

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Re: stimulate, dont annihilate!!! key to training success
« Reply #467 on: February 18, 2011, 07:51:33 PM »
Who said there was no such thing as overtraining?????

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Re: stimulate, dont annihilate!!! key to training success
« Reply #468 on: February 18, 2011, 07:52:09 PM »
Who said there was no such thing as overtraining?????

not me

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Re: stimulate, dont annihilate!!! key to training success
« Reply #469 on: February 18, 2011, 08:12:51 PM »
Who said there was no such thing as overtraining?????

Basile...and Lee Priest apparently.

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Re: stimulate, dont annihilate!!! key to training success
« Reply #470 on: February 18, 2011, 08:22:20 PM »
How come this doesn't surprise me? I'm under the impression that Basil never picked up an actual book in his life.

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Re: stimulate, dont annihilate!!! key to training success
« Reply #471 on: February 18, 2011, 08:29:00 PM »
Basile...and Lee Priest apparently.

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Re: stimulate, dont annihilate!!! key to training success
« Reply #472 on: February 18, 2011, 08:47:46 PM »
Do a set to failure, get the fuck out of there. You've stimulated growth right there. You've just overcome the body's previous muscular ability and gave it a reason to respond and improve. Sure, that extra set won't COMPLETELY screw you, it just won't help you any more than the previous one already did.

in principle this idea about one set to failure makes a ton of sense. and it does work great for some guys. not for me though. but the general idea about training only as much as necessary is the same in my training. in order to avoid over training, i stay below failure. i dont get as much out of one set as you do out of your failure set, but i do more sets total and make up for it.

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Re: stimulate, dont annihilate!!! key to training success
« Reply #473 on: February 18, 2011, 08:51:30 PM »
Exactly. The human body does not have an unlimited capacity for dealing with training stress, nor any other stress.

Just as the esteemed Mr. Nobody referenced, excellent, concise and to the point.

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« Reply #474 on: February 18, 2011, 08:55:53 PM »
Just as the esteemed Mr. Nobody referenced, excellent, concise and to the point.

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Oh, but I totally disagree with how you train and I bet you don't actually train that way either, I bet your "warm up sets" are actual working sets.  ;)

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