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Discuss.
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Bodybuilding shows are so hard on the body. Combine those with other health problems and his age then it's not such a suprise.
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Although AAS may not be the true culpret of Don's death I am sure they perhaps escalated his health problems.
As for Momo I cannot say but as for Andreas, he took BBing to the extreme. This guy did not beleive in and offseason and was always in shape. It is not healthy for a body to be soo low in bodyfat for long amounts of time.IMO no one else has ever been as shredded as Andres...Just look at his tricep in the attached picture.
This will always be an ongoing battle..
Do steroids cause problems?
Let's look at 2 greats
Arnold - recently had heart complications and needed surgery
and we have Louie, competed almost as many years, may/may not have been using the same AAS as Arnold and no complications we are aware of.
or Kevin Levrone and Flex Wheeler...both in the game about the same time frame, probably used the same amount of gear. Flex has to retire due to kidney problems and Ke decides to call it quits
Maybe not great comparisons but I think you get my drift.
In my mind does AAS use/abuse directly cause Death? No! Will it advance any current problems one has, ie: hairloss, CV problems, kidney problems ......YES!
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Arnold's probs were congenital, nothing to do with using.
The health problems are related to drug use and dietary constrictions, not training.
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No but if you look good with say 10 mgs of Dbol a day why not try 20 to look even better
This is the thought process with alot of ppl. Or they build up a tolerance of what they are using and need to up the dose irregardless.
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Andreas Munzer 30
BJ Johns 34
Charles Durr 45
Curtis Leffler 36
Derrick Whitsett 37
Don Ross 55
Don Youngblood 50
Fannie Barrios 39
Mike Mentzer 49
Mohammad Benaziza 28 ...20 fricken 8!!
Paul DeMayo 37
Ray Mentzer 47
Sonny Schmidt 46
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Yeah, but can you prove they are directly related to bodybuilding?
I think we can chalk up Munzer and Benaziza to BBing pretty directly... Momo dead within hours of drying up for the dutch grand prix (which he won) and Munzer's whole internal organs just turned to goo on him while on a precontest diet.
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At the very least if they had not been taking monster amounts of drugs and partaking in extreme diets they would have had a better shot.
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I bet nobody saw that coming with Don. He looked the epitome of good health in that picture.
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we're all going to fall apart when we get old. Much of it is genetic. But BBing extremes can speed up the process, and sometimes deliver problems you may never have seen. That's life though... there could still be a piece of Skylab with your name on it as well.
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I bet nobody saw that coming with Don. He looked the epitome of good health in that picture.
Exactly!
he looks like a walking heart attack in that picture...
8)
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Lee Preist BB career died when he announced he joined the PDI
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That pic of youngblood, is why ive never been interested in joining the steroid roller coaster. Some of my friends continue to use yearround, and theyre all red and puffy all the time. Like theyre going to blow up or something. They cant walk 50 feet without sitting down....sad.
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This illustrates the sheer fucking 'load of balls' non issuse this is
Both of these guys died from drugs yes, but DIFFERENT FUCKING DRUGS
If you want to look at the guys who have suffered deaths that 'may' be linked purely to anabolic steroids (ie: guys whom did not observably suffer death from diurectic input, nor coke, nor heroin or other 'street recreationals') then you will be looking for a very long time
Whether diuretics, NSAIDS or whatever crap some prick bodybuilder with a priority for a shitty trophy rather than life itself decides to take, these are the lovlies that are and have been observably responsile for guys fucking themselves up, I mean christ, we can only wish that Shawn Ray mounts a comeback and loads up on Loop diuretics with an Advil chaser
The fact is that the long list of deaths of famous bodybuilders 'from steroids over the next twenty years' hasnt materialised, thats why these cunts in the media/medical game keep pushing their timeline back
They started saying this crap back in the 70's, then the 80's, then, when gear was illegalised in the 90's we had the same 'in twenty years' crap thrown at us, and hey, its now 2006 and what do we hear? we hear fuckwits such as Dr Harrison Pope repeating 'in twenty years time' quel suprise
BLAH FUCKING BLAH, FUCK OFF!!
cunts
I dont know whats more annoying , the fact that you M3ltd0wn every post, or your gay ass centering
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I bet nobody saw that coming with Don. He looked the epitome of good health in that picture.
Few things are scarier than a man with a bloated red face and a body with an entirely different complexion :-\
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I dont know whats more annoying , the fact that you M3ltd0wn every post, or your gay ass centering
Are you new here?
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Are you new here?
With Good Nutrition, ...Good Things Happen!
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Dan Duchaine, 2006
Your mom was new to me last night
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Your mom was new to me last night
First time with vaginal sex huh?
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Your mom was new to me last night
LOL, erm, ok, you should be writing for the networks with comedy gold such as that in your armoury
Normally I wouldnt respond, but for christ sake, raise the bar will you? that was lame
Seriously, try again
Thanks
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First time with vaginal sex huh?
Yeah, im so use to cummin in your ass or mouth
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Yeah, im so use to cummin in your ass or mouth
When did you name your little brother "your"?
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LOL, erm, ok, you should be writing for the networks with comedy gold such as that in your armoury
Normally I wouldnt respond, but for christ sake, raise the bar will you? that was lame
Seriously, try again
I f*cked your mom after the Bar last night, and she was lame ... I guess she can try again too
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When did you name your little brother "your"?
When I found out you were my lil brother
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I f*cked your mom after the Bar last night, and she was lame ... I guess she can try again too
OK, any chance you can go for three in a row?
Come on, hit us with your best work
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When I found out you were my lil brother
So you have sex with all your family members then, or just the male ones?
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OK, any chance you can go for three in a row?
Come on, hit us with your best work
This "Three in a Row" stuff must run in the family, cause after i was done with your mom..i seen two guys waiting for her after me
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This thread has gone way off topic! ;D
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This thread has gone way off topic! ;D
Your mom went way off topic then i banged her
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This "Three in a Row" stuff must run in the family, cause after i was done with your mom..i seen two guys waiting for her after me
THE TRI-FECTA!!!
Its official, Corky has joined Getbig
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Your mom went way off topic then i banged her
I can't believe I was insulted by my own troll account ;D
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THE TRI-FECTA!!!
Its official, Corky has joined Getbig
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actually, that's an insult to Corky.
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actually, that's an insult to Corky.
Yea we shouldnt insult corky, (who goes by the name of DingleBerry)
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I always used to fancy the girl that played Corkys sister
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Yea we shouldnt insult corky, (who goes by the name of DingleBerry)
Exactly, the last time you tried he owned you.
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Exactly, the last time you tried he owned you.
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::) ::)
you smiley dependent cunt
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you smiley dependent cunt
With Good Nutrition, ...Good Things Happen!
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Dan Duchaine, 2006
Better watch out, he'll triple-smiley you.
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Better watch out, he'll triple-smiley you.
Piss off, black man
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Piss off, black man
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With Good Nutrition, ...Good Things Happen!
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I'll give you credit. You are quite a troll for a newbie.
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All i can say is moderate use seems to only improve longterm health, look at robby robinson, ed corny, serge nubret and "ageless" al beckles.
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SpankyCapone has been here longer than most of you have been out of diapers.
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SpankyCapone has been here longer than most of you have been out of diapers.
That's unlikely. No, it's actually not true ::)
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actually it is.. you're the noob .. we're all noobs compared to Duchaine lol.. aka Dan D .. known for 'girl'
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actually it is.. you're the noob .. we're all noobs compared to Duchaine lol.. aka Dan D .. known for 'pussy'
I'm afraid not. ::)
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This illustrates the sheer fucking 'load of balls' non issuse this is
Both of these guys died from drugs yes, but DIFFERENT FUCKING DRUGS
If you want to look at the guys who have suffered deaths that 'may' be linked purely to anabolic steroids (ie: guys whom did not observably suffer death from diurectic input, nor coke, nor heroin or other 'street recreationals') then you will be looking for a very long time
Whether diuretics, NSAIDS or whatever crap some prick bodybuilder with a priority for a shitty trophy rather than life itself decides to take, these are the lovlies that are and have been observably responsile for guys fucking themselves up, I mean christ, we can only wish that Shawn Ray mounts a comeback and loads up on Loop diuretics with an Advil chaser
The fact is that the long list of deaths of famous bodybuilders 'from steroids over the next twenty years' hasnt materialised, thats why these girls in the media/medical game keep pushing their timeline back
They started saying this crap back in the 70's, then the 80's, then, when gear was illegalised in the 90's we had the same 'in twenty years' crap thrown at us, and hey, its now 2006 and what do we hear? we hear fuckwits such as Dr Harrison Pope repeating 'in twenty years time' quel suprise
BLAH FUCKING BLAH, FUCK OFF!!
girls
Exactly.
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That pic of youngblood, is why ive never been interested in joining the steroid roller coaster. Some of my friends continue to use yearround, and theyre all red and puffy all the time. Like theyre going to blow up or something. They cant walk 50 feet without sitting down....sad.
I have seen this pic so many times, but am always amazed by how out of shape he looks for a guy who was about to get ready for a contest.
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I have seen this pic so many times, but am always amazed by how out of shape he looks for a guy who was about to get ready for a contest.
His face actually looks puffy. :-\
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Satan likes what he sees on this thread.
Team Satan? Noooooooooo!!! :-\
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All i can say is moderate use seems to only improve longterm health, look at robby robinson, ed corny, serge nubret and "ageless" al beckles.
Exactly. When used in moderation it is a form of Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) that adds to the quality--and cosmetics--of a man’s life. In time, this will become a routine ‘treatment’ for men as they get older much as HRT is for women now. Of course, like anything, if taken to an extreme it can be deleterious.
I have seen this pic so many times, but am always amazed by how out of shape he looks for a guy who was about to get ready for a contest.
Ah, the voice of inexperience. He does not look “out of shape.” He looks like all the big boys do before they start their dieting. Have you seen the many photos of Dorian in the off season? Or even the training clips of him from Blood and Guts? Much to learn, you still have.
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deleterious.
You bought the fat thesaurus, huh?
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You bought the fat thesaurus, huh?
Actually, BayGBM is a smart guy. I'm 100% sure he didn't have to use a thesaurus.
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I'm 100% sure he didn't have to use a thesaurus.
I didn't either.
Dictionary.
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I didn't either.
Dictionary.
I'm sure he didn't need a dictionary either ::)
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I'm sure he didn't need a dic either ::)
Who ya kiddin' here?
Come on.