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At the 1:11 mark. Palumbo and Romano keep claiming O'Hearn is natural, Romano goes as far as saying that when you see an 8 year old kid piano player prodigy playing better than the rest of the world you don't question his talent, why should it be any different with Mike OHearn if is a natty ?
Why cant he be the Michael Jordan of bodybuilding ? ".
WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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At the 1:11 mark. Palumbo and Romano keep claiming O'Hearn is natural, Romano goes as far as saying that when you see an 8 year old kid piano player prodigy playing better than the rest of the world you don't question his talent, why should it be any different with Mike OHearn if is a natty ?
Why cant he be the Michael Jordan of bodybuilding ? ".
WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
You'll always find that guy (or guys) who thinks that he knows more than the pros about nutrition, that he works harder than the pros and is more dedicated that the pros, etc.
So the OOOOONNNNNLLLLYYY reason, they're Mr. Universes, Mr. Americas, and Mr. Olympias, while he's Mr. My-Bathroom-Mirror is that secret stack of anabolics......that's been posted on Lord-know-how-many websites for the last 25 years.
People don't want to believe that Priest can win Mr. Australia three times before he could legally drink (in the US, at least).
They don't want to believe that Ronnie Coleman can turn pro and place respectably without steroids. Then when he finally does start using them, he start CLOBBERING the very pros that were once beating him. Many of Ronnie's contemporaries have vouched for him: Wheeler, Yates, Levrone (we've all heard that infamous vodka and coffee story ;D ), just to name a few.
I've accomplished a number of personal goals , that I didn't think I could without anabolics: Bench-pressing over 400 lbs, achieving a bodyweight of 250, with an ectomorphic frame at 5'9", achieving 19" arms (albeit pumped and somewhat smooth).
The more you achieve without performance-enhancing drugs, the more you believe can be accomplished without them.
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Bodybuilding is based on how you look, an 8 year old piano player learns notes and cords, he doesnt walk around with a body composition muscle to fat ratio impossible according to modern science.
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Bodybuilding is based on how you look, an 8 year old piano player learns notes and cords, he doesnt walk around with a body composition muscle to fat ratio impossible according to modern science.
I believe the point was that there are child prodigies who pick up music and can make a piano do everything but bring them the morning paper. Whereas, adults can take lessons for years yet never become a concert pianist.
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You'll always find that guy (or guys) who thinks that he knows more than the pros about nutrition, that he works harder than the pros and is more dedicated that the pros, etc.
So the OOOOONNNNNLLLLYYY reason, they're Mr. Universes, Mr. Americas, and Mr. Olympias, while he's Mr. My-Bathroom-Mirror is that secret stack of anabolics......that's been posted on Lord-know-how-many websites for the last 25 years.
People don't want to believe that Priest can win Mr. Australia three times before he can legally drink (in the US, at least).
They don't want to believe that Ronnie Coleman can turn pro and place respectably without steroids. Then when he finally does start using them, he start CLOBBERING the very pros that were once beating him. Many of Ronnie's contemporaries have vouched for him: Wheeler, Yates, Levrone (we've all heard that infamous vodka and coffee story ;D ), just to name a few.
I've accomplished a number of personal goals , that I didn't think could without anabolics: Bench-pressing over 400 lbs, achieving a bodyweight of 250, with an ectomorphic frame at 5'9", achieving 19" arms (albeit pumped and somewhat smooth).
The more you achieve without performance-enhancing drugs, the more you believe can be accomplished without them.
Im with you that you can accomplish a lot drug free.
Thats said Mike OHearn is as natural as his botox injections. Or as natural as Dewayne Johnson's WM 30 physique.
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I believe the point was that there are child prodigies who pick up music and can make a piano do everything but bring them the morning paper. Whereas, adults can take lessons for years yet never become a concert pianist.
I know, its not a good analogy.
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I know, its not a good analogy.
At least, it's not the best analogy.
Im with you that you can accomplish a lot drug free.
Thats said Mike OHearn is as natural as his botox injections. Or as natural as Dewayne Johnson's WM 30 physique.
Are you sure that's not WM29, where he lost to Cena?
Romano makes a good point. I remember when they did have Kai Greene in "All-Natural Muscular Development"; I have one of those articles about him from 1997 (I'm not sure if he was on the cover; it was a bikini model named Cindy Margolis).
Greene competed in the WNBF, winning its Mr. Universe in 1995. Then he moved to the NPC, where he won the Team Universe (TU) TWICE. The first time was in 1999 but it wasn't a pro qualifier then.
Because of all this terrorist mess and the IFBB kept holding the Universe in Middle Eastern countries, the USA team couldn't go compete for pro cards. So, the TU became a pro qualifier. Ironically, they grandfathered two other guys (Greg Rando and Skip LaCour) as IFBB pros but didn't do so for Greene.
So, Greene didn't get his pro card until he won the TU again in 2004.
Romano also started the allegation that "All Natural Muscular Development" was getting "hate mail" because nearly all of the bodybuilders featured in the publication were black. That was mere coincidence. Since the switch to ANMD came in 1997, it featured the class winners from the 1996 Team Universe, most of who were African-American. They also featured Greene and that other Ron Coleman, "Alcatraz".
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You'll always find that guy (or guys) who thinks that he knows more than the pros about nutrition, that he works harder than the pros and is more dedicated that the pros, etc.
So the OOOOONNNNNLLLLYYY reason, they're Mr. Universes, Mr. Americas, and Mr. Olympias, while he's Mr. My-Bathroom-Mirror is that secret stack of anabolics......that's been posted on Lord-know-how-many websites for the last 25 years.
People don't want to believe that Priest can win Mr. Australia three times before he could legally drink (in the US, at least).
They don't want to believe that Ronnie Coleman can turn pro and place respectably without steroids. Then when he finally does start using them, he start CLOBBERING the very pros that were once beating him. Many of Ronnie's contemporaries have vouched for him: Wheeler, Yates, Levrone (we've all heard that infamous vodka and coffee story ;D ), just to name a few.
I've accomplished a number of personal goals , that I didn't think I could without anabolics: Bench-pressing over 400 lbs, achieving a bodyweight of 250, with an ectomorphic frame at 5'9", achieving 19" arms (albeit pumped and somewhat smooth).
The more you achieve without performance-enhancing drugs, the more you believe can be accomplished without them.
Every single figure in our niche who has claimed natural, but some were doubtful of, has been on steroids. There are NO naturals of note in the physique community.
What you think about Ronnie is flat out wrong. Never competed once without drugs.
Romano is a retard and Palumbo is one sneaky bastard.
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Every single figure in our niche who has claimed natural, but some were doubtful of, has been on steroids. There are NO naturals of note in the physique community.
What you think about Ronnie is flat out wrong. Never competed once without drugs.
Romano is a retard and Palumbo is one sneaky bastard.
This^
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Every single figure in our niche who has claimed natural, but some were doubtful of, has been on steroids. There are NO naturals of note in the physique community.
What you think about Ronnie is flat out wrong. Never competed once without drugs.
Romano is a retard and Palumbo is one sneaky bastard.
Palumbo pretends to be his friend yet keeps bringing up his natty claims, as such people keep slagging O'Hearn off
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Every single figure in our niche who has claimed natural, but some were doubtful of, has been on steroids. There are NO naturals of note in the physique community.
What you think about Ronnie is flat out wrong. Never competed once without drugs.
Romano is a retard and Palumbo is one sneaky bastard.
Cant think of one .
WooSHHHHHHHHHHH LEVRO NEEEEEEEEEEE
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They are comparing intellectual capacity to bodybuilding. ;D
Dude is juiced to the tits.
Muscle growth is completely different than a young intelligent persons ability to retain knowledge.
They wouldn't know any of this, because they are all as intelligent as a door knob.
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Every single figure in our niche who has claimed natural, but some were doubtful of, has been on steroids. There are NO naturals of note in the physique community.
What you think about Ronnie is flat out wrong. Never competed once without drugs.
Romano is a retard and Palumbo is one sneaky bastard.
And the motivation of Ronnie's contemporaries to lie on his behalf (especially once he started beating them) would be what?
Ronnie wasn't exactly a shrimp when he played football at Grambling.
I'll take the words of people who are friends with Ronnie and actually competed against him.
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Why cant he be the Michael Jordan of bodybuilding ? ".
Because he's bigger and leaner than a prime Arnold, maybe?
WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Thank you very much for adding this to your posts. It gives you posts [and by extension, this board] some character.
WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Ta Na Na!
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Cant think of one .
WooSHHHHHHHHHHH LEVRO NEEEEEEEEEEE
Doug something.
He was 5'9" and competed at maybe 205-lb, and deadlifted 405-lb for at least 20 reps. It could have been closer to 30, which was remarkable for his weight alone, even if he was on gear.
He had a name that allowed people to poke fun at his natural status - like Doug Spruce or something, and so people would call him Doug Juice. ;D That wasn't it, but his name was easy to make fun of like that.
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And the motivation of Ronnie's contemporaries to lie on his behalf (especially once he started beating them) would be what?
Plus, Ronnie wasn't exactly a shrimp when he played football at Grambling.
I'll take the words of people who are friends with Ronnie and actually competed against him.
How would they now what he actually did 24 hours a day, 7 days a week?
I've had friends for decades that would tell you i'm not on steroids. Because i don't tell certain people.
The only person on the planet that knows the truth about Ronnie, is Ronnie. And people always lie when it comes to illegal drug use and steroids, it's just the way things are.
I know high level College football players who started juicing in high school.
I think Ronnie has elite genetics, but it's absurd to think he was natural anytime in his bodybuilding career.
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And the motivation of Ronnie's contemporaries to lie on his behalf (especially once he started beating them) would be what?
Plus, Ronnie wasn't exactly a shrimp when he played football at Grambling.
I'll take the words of people who are friends with Ronnie and actually competed against him.
It's all a joke to them. Like Levrone saying he believes O'Hearn is natural... of course he doesn't really believe it, it's just a joke.
Privately Ron has said he only used testosterone as an amateur.
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How would they now what he actually did 24 hours a day, 7 days a week?
I've had friends for decades that would tell you i'm not on steroids. Because i don't tell certain people.
The only person on the planet that knows the truth about Ronnie, is Ronnie. And people always lie when it comes to illegal drug use and steroids, it's just the way things are.
I know high level College football players who started juicing in high school.
I think Ronnie has elite genetics, but it's absurd to think he was natural anytime in his bodybuilding career.
Isn't that how he got the Universe gig? Levrone didn't go because he already had his pro card; and nobody else could pass the drug test.
Plus the issue isn't whether he took anabolics. It's how long and how big he was before he did so.
Some college football players start juicing in high school; some don't. Ronnie may be the latter (and is according to his peers).
There are dudes that are fairly big and can be that way without using steroids. Those are usually the ones that turn into mega-freaks, once they do apply the performance enhancers.
As stated earlier, there are also those who think anyone with two ounces more muscle than themselves are injecting everything but the kitchen sink in the most ungodly of quantities.
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You guys want to hear the least intelligent bodybuilder ever?
A complete moron. Palumbo wasn't even listening to what he said.
Go to 52 minutes to him giving an example of his cycle.
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Isn't that how he got the Universe gig? Levrone didn't go because he already had his pro card; and nobody else could pass the drug test.
Plus the issue isn't whether he took anabolics. It's how long and how big he was before he did so.
Some college football players start juicing in high school; some don't. Ronnie may be the latter (and is according to his peers).
There are dudes that are fairly big and can be that way without using steroids. Those are usually the ones that turn into mega-freaks, once they do apply the performance enhancers.
As stated earlier, there are also those who think anyone with two ounces more muscle than themselves are injecting everything but the kitchen sink in the most ungodly of quantities.
Passing a drug test doesn't make you natural.
There are ways to mask drug tests. It was very easy to do back then. Some drugs didn't even show up on the tests.
I agree with Ronnie having top level genetics, but it's silly to think his friends know anything about his drug usage. At least not everything. These top level guys are taking grams of drugs, even with elite genetics, they have to fill themselves with insane quantities of AAS. That's the truth, there are no Pro bodybuilders using 750mg of Test and a little Deca. ;D Unless we are talking per day.
I've been around gear users for over 20 years, i've watched how people grow and how people lie about their usage. I do not believe people are 100% honest when it comes to using drugs. I've met hundreds of users and the vast majority of them are full of shit when it comes to their cycle.
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Passing a drug test doesn't make you natural.
There are ways to mask drug tests. It was very easy to do back then. Some drugs didn't even show up on the tests.
I agree with Ronnie having top level genetics, but it's silly to think his friends know anything about his drug usage. At least not everything. These top level guys are taking grams of drugs, even with elite genetics, they have to fill themselves with insane quantities of AAS. That's the truth, there are no Pro bodybuilders using 750mg of Test and a little Deca. ;D Unless we are talking per day.
I've been around gear users for over 20 years, i've watched how people grow and how people lie about their usage. I do not believe people are 100% honest when it comes to using drugs. I've met hundreds of users and the vast majority of them are full of shit when it comes to their cycle.
I never claimed merely passing a test alone meant one was natural. But the odds of all these guys, eager/desperate to turn pro and turning down another opportunity (i.e. the Universe) are slim and none.
That would mean that of all of those would-be IFBB card carriers, Ronnie was the only one who would try to simply "beat the test".
You think it's "silly" that Ronnie's friends know anything about his drug usage (or lack thereof); yet, all these strangers on the web and forums like this claim Ronnie's been down with the syringe since he first picked up a cement weight set.
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Isn't that how he got the Universe gig? Levrone didn't go because he already had his pro card; and nobody else could pass the drug test.
Plus the issue isn't whether he took anabolics. It's how long and how big he was before he did so.
Some college football players start juicing in high school; some don't. Ronnie may be the latter (and is according to his peers).
There are dudes that are fairly big and can be that way without using steroids. Those are usually the ones that turn into mega-freaks, once they do apply the performance enhancers.
As stated earlier, there are also those who think anyone with two ounces more muscle than themselves are injecting everything but the kitchen sink in the most ungodly of quantities.
Are you suggesting that Ronnie Coleman was drug-free during his college football career, or during the early part of his competitive bodybuilding career? Because there is a big difference between those two periods of his life, in terms of size and conditioning.
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At least, it's not the best analogy.
Are you sure that's not WM29, where he lost to Cena?
Romano makes a good point. I remember when they did have Kai Greene in "All-Natural Muscular Development"; I have one of those articles about him from 1997 (I'm not sure if he was on the cover; it was a bikini model named Cindy Margolis).
Greene competed in the WNBF, winning its Mr. Universe in 1995. Then he moved to the NPC, where he won the Team Universe (TU) TWICE. The first time was in 1999 but it wasn't a pro qualifier then.
Because of all this terrorist mess and the IFBB kept holding the Universe in Middle Eastern countries, the USA team couldn't go compete for pro cards. So, the TU became a pro qualifier. Ironically, they grandfathered two other guys (Greg Rando and Skip LaCour) as IFBB pros but didn't do so for Greene.
So, Greene didn't get his pro card until he won the TU again in 2004.
Romano also started the allegation that "All Natural Muscular Development" was getting "hate mail" because nearly all of the bodybuilders featured in the publication were black. That was mere coincidence. Since the switch to ANMD came in 1997, it featured the class winners from the 1996 Team Universe, most of who were African-American. They also featured Greene and that other Ron Coleman, "Alcatraz".
No I meant 30. When he came out with Hogan and SCSA. Im assuming he was on anabolic's to heal from the muscle tear he suffered at 29. He has a "steroid glow" about him when when he was in the ring. It reminded of George Farrah.
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I never claimed merely passing a test alone meant one was natural. But the odds of all these guys, eager/desperate to turn pro and turning down another opportunity (i.e. the Universe) are slim and none.
That would mean that of all of those would-be IFBB card carriers, Ronnie was the only one who would try to simply "beat the test".
You think it's "silly" that Ronnie's friends know anything about his drug usage (or lack thereof); yet, all these strangers on the web and forums like this claim Ronnie's been down with the syringe since he first picked up a cement weight set.
So is your position that Ronnie Coleman was drug-free for his Mr. Universe win in 1992, but started using PEDs sometime between the end of that contest, but before his first Mr. Olympia win in 1998?
Specifically, what time period are you saying he was drug-free during?
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At least, it's not the best analogy.
Are you sure that's not WM29, where he lost to Cena?
Romano makes a good point. I remember when they did have Kai Greene in "All-Natural Muscular Development"; I have one of those articles about him from 1997 (I'm not sure if he was on the cover; it was a bikini model named Cindy Margolis).
Greene competed in the WNBF, winning its Mr. Universe in 1995. Then he moved to the NPC, where he won the Team Universe (TU) TWICE. The first time was in 1999 but it wasn't a pro qualifier then.
Because of all this terrorist mess and the IFBB kept holding the Universe in Middle Eastern countries, the USA team couldn't go compete for pro cards. So, the TU became a pro qualifier. Ironically, they grandfathered two other guys (Greg Rando and Skip LaCour) as IFBB pros but didn't do so for Greene.
So, Greene didn't get his pro card until he won the TU again in 2004.
Romano also started the allegation that "All Natural Muscular Development" was getting "hate mail" because nearly all of the bodybuilders featured in the publication were black. That was mere coincidence. Since the switch to ANMD came in 1997, it featured the class winners from the 1996 Team Universe, most of who were African-American. They also featured Greene and that other Ron Coleman, "Alcatraz".
Sir, reduce your adderall doseage. You're rambling. You're normally coherent and lucid... and enjoyable.
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Passing a drug test doesn't make you natural.
There are ways to mask drug tests. It was very easy to do back then. Some drugs didn't even show up on the tests.
I agree with Ronnie having top level genetics, but it's silly to think his friends know anything about his drug usage. At least not everything. These top level guys are taking grams of drugs, even with elite genetics, they have to fill themselves with insane quantities of AAS. That's the truth, there are no Pro bodybuilders using 750mg of Test and a little Deca. ;D Unless we are talking per day.
I've been around gear users for over 20 years, i've watched how people grow and how people lie about their usage. I do not believe people are 100% honest when it comes to using drugs. I've met hundreds of users and the vast majority of them are full of shit when it comes to their cycle.
This 100%. O'Hearn works hard and is very dedicated, not gonna take that away from him but gear and HGH, etc are fundamentally important to how he looks and can train. Anyone with even a modicum of experience knows this. Palumbo and Romano insult their audience with this shit, perhaps it's an inside joke, who knows?
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Im with you that you can accomplish a lot drug free. That said, Mike OHearn is as natural as his botox injections. Or as natural as Dewayne Johnson's WM 30 physique.
One-hundred percent truth.
I, too, as a drug-free guy, know A LOT can be achieved without “help”, but I also know when horseshit is horseshit.
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Can you show me the Pinnacle you can achieve natural?
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You guys want to hear the least intelligent bodybuilder ever?
A complete moron. Palumbo wasn't even listening to what he said.
Go to 52 minutes to him giving an example of his cycle.
My condolences if you sat through that whole thing.
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Sir, reduce your adderall doseage. You're rambling. You're normally coherent and lucid... and enjoyable.
Sir, if he thinks Ronnie was ever natural during any stage of his competitive bodybuilding career, perhaps he is smoking some of the crack that Ronnie accused Jay of taking in 2006? ;D
MCWAY is cool, but he doesn't believe in evolution. I personally am skeptical of EVERYTHING, more and more, especially after last year.
Specifically, MCWAY calls evolution "From Goo to You by Way of the Zoo." ;D Which is kind of what it is.
MCWAY told me that in 2004. We go back a long time on here. I will be Getbig's own wes in 2047. :)
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All these guys lie or revise things. Even my beloved Ken Patera is waffling :( -
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That's the same guy that said “Last year the only difference between me and him was that I couldn't afford his drug bill,” said Patera. “Now I can. When I hit Munich next year, I'll weigh in at about 340, maybe 350. Then we'll see which are better, his steroids or mine.” fifty years ago.
If you want to see the biggest top naturals, go to www.musclememory.com, and look at the best guys from the 40's, maybe very early 50's. Human physiology hasn't changed in 70 years. If you want to spot them 10-20lbs for better food, equipment, supplements, bbg, etc...., ok, but those guys are natural peaks.
Also O'hearn is still tip top at 52 years old, that doesn't happen naturally.
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Can you show me the Pinnacle you can achieve natural?
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Palumbo and Romano insult their audience with this shit, perhaps it's an inside joke, who knows?
They want people to think using AAS is just a small percentage of the equation. When in fact it's the largest.
They want people to buy their poison supplements, made from garbage ingredients. If they could sell AAS legally they would. Remember Palumbo has a history of selling fake gear.
They want people to believe it's all about hard work and genetics, which is true to an extent. But BBing is 100% about drugs.
As many people in the "know" have said, no drugs, no BBing.
They want people to think the BIG guys are these freaks of nature who are gifted. When in doubt that is not true at all. Most of them have average genetics.
These oil bags are not special. Most of them suffer from mental illness and personality disorders. That's why so many would rather die than come off the drugs and live until 70-80.
It's a very sad and pathetic "sport".
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All these guys lie or revise things. Even my beloved Ken Patera is waffling :( -
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That's the same guy that said “Last year the only difference between me and him was that I couldn't afford his drug bill,” said Patera. “Now I can. When I hit Munich next year, I'll weigh in at about 340, maybe 350. Then we'll see which are better, his steroids or mine.” fifty years ago.
If you want to see the biggest top naturals, go to www.musclememory.com, and look at the best guys from the 40's, maybe very early 50's. Human physiology hasn't changed in 70 years. If you want to spot them 10-20lbs for better food, equipment, supplements, bbg, etc...., ok, but those guys are natural peaks.
Also O'hearn is still tip top at 52 years old, that doesn't happen naturally.
Great interview. We had 148 pound guys who never came off telling me if you did what we did you'd shatter records....
I dont know what to think about anyone's claims when it comes to drug use. Somehow everyone used them but it was always a minimal amount, especially when compared to everyone else that was using.
I get it, there's a lot of hard work that goes into training, no amount of drugs will replace that (different sport but Barry Bonds in his prime was the best player in baseball before he used steroids, as an older guy on the decline he was the best hitter we've ever seen)but these guys are so afraid of their legacy being discredited.
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Great interview. We had 148 pound guys who never came off telling me if you did what we did you'd shatter records....
I dont know what to think about anyone's claims when it comes to drug use. Somehow everyone used them but it was always a minimal amount, especially when compared to everyone else that was using.
I get it, there's a lot of hard work that goes into training, no amount of drugs will replace that (different sport but Barry Bonds in his prime was the best player in baseball before he used steroids, as an older guy on the decline he was the best hitter we've ever seen)but these guys are so afraid of their legacy being discredited.
Lee Priest would be the guy , someone who has gone "the recreational and performing enhance route at the same time "
Somehow is minimal what has put in to his body in the last 30 years or so .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH BE YE KE
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You guys want to hear the least intelligent bodybuilder ever?
A complete moron. Palumbo wasn't even listening to what he said.
Go to 52 minutes to him giving an example of his cycle.
La shit ! what a mess..... I've been admiring Vic's physique for the over 30 years .... Sometimes is better to keep the image we have of these guys from magazines pics/ articles alone ...
I only could watch this victor's interview for 5 mins ....... Now I'm afraid I don't want to see the so awaited Bob Paris interview ... ;D
WooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Sir, reduce your adderall doseage. You're rambling. You're normally coherent and lucid... and enjoyable.
How do you end up with a negative dosage? ;D
I was addressing two different people.
The latter part of that post was about the video's mentioning of Kai Greene. I have an issue of "All Natural Muscular Development, that features Greene in it.
It's basically the gist of the tail-end of that video, namely how big some of these guys were BEFORE they started taking anabolics.
Aceto claims that Greene gained 40 lbs in a year using steroids, after training a decade plus naturally. Priest states after he turned pro by winning Mr. Australia for the 3rd time, he got on "gear" and slapped on 20 lbs in six weeks.
If that's the case, how could something similar not be the case for Mr. "Ain't Nothin' But a Peanut", especially considering his decent size during his college football years, unless one is implying that Ronnie was a 150-lb weakling before hitting the weights?
Can you show me the Pinnacle you can achieve natural?
That seems to be the $64,000 question. As stated earlier, too many folks believe that the instant you start curling those cement-filled Orbatron weights, you need a stack of Deca and Winstrol; or you're doomed to a life of being a twig.
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Because he's bigger and leaner than a prime Arnold, maybe?
Thank you very much for adding this to your posts. It gives you posts [and by extension, this board] some character.
WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Ta Na Na!
Thank You
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They want people to think using AAS is just a small percentage of the equation. When in fact it's the largest.
They want people to buy their poison supplements, made from garbage ingredients. If they could sell AAS legally they would. Remember Palumbo has a history of selling fake gear.
They want people to believe it's all about hard work and genetics, which is true to an extent. But BBing is 100% about drugs.
As many people in the "know" have said, no drugs, no BBing.
They want people to think the BIG guys are these freaks of nature who are gifted. When in doubt that is not true at all. Most of them have average genetics.
These oil bags are not special. Most of them suffer from mental illness and personality disorders. That's why so many would rather die than come off the drugs and live until 70-80.
It's a very sad and pathetic "sport".
Yet, we have far too many people with "average genetics", injecting everything under the sun as early as possible, yet looking NOTHING like IFBB pros or top NPC amateurs.
Again, the so-called secret stacks of certain pros have been posted on site after site for over two decades. Remember when the laundry list of what Andreas Munzer was taking back in '96, after he kicked the bucket, hit the magazines?
Therefore, the logic would be: You know the stacks; you have the meats (diet); you possess "average genetics"; now, you can just hop aboard the anabolic train and be Mr. Universe within a year or two.
Yet, the odds are slim of anyone of us, hopping on such a protocol (even in our youth) and looking like Munzer did.
So, I don't buy this notion that the the syringe alone separates the average Joe from Universe/Olympia glory.
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NO DRUGS................... .......NO BODYBUILDING.
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I never claimed merely passing a test alone meant one was natural. But the odds of all these guys, eager/desperate to turn pro and turning down another opportunity (i.e. the Universe) are slim and none.
That would mean that of all of those would-be IFBB card carriers, Ronnie was the only one who would try to simply "beat the test".
You think it's "silly" that Ronnie's friends know anything about his drug usage (or lack thereof); yet, all these strangers on the web and forums like this claim Ronnie's been down with the syringe since he first picked up a cement weight set.
To be fair and it’s their peers we are talking about. I think it’s a mutual respect, not talking about what others do and their own business. However, if you ask Shawn Ray, who is very vocal, doesn’t give a damn, he’ll tell you all these guys are BS ;D
I mean Kevin even lies about his birth date, and height, mentioned his bd as 1966 and 1968, and height at 6 ft, in actuality he was born 1964 and 5’9
I’ll take whatever these guys say with a grain of salt
Even Ronnie lied about being an active police officer when he got pulled over years back :D
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Every single figure in our niche who has claimed natural, but some were doubtful of, has been on steroids. There are NO naturals of note in the physique community.
What you think about Ronnie is flat out wrong. Never competed once without drugs.
Romano is a retard and Palumbo is one sneaky bastard.
Tito Raymond claims life time natural but competed with the best in the nationals back then ;D
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Tito Raymond claims life time natural but competed with the best in the nationals back then ;D
I think you mean Jose Raymond. I don't remember Tito winning his class at the Nationals at all. I've only seen him win at MuscleManias and TU shows, unless I missed something.
If my memory serves me properly, Jose has won as a lightweight, welterweight, and a middleweight.
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I think you mean Jose Raymond. I don't remember Tito winning his class at the Nationals at all. I've only seen him win at MuscleManias and TU shows, unless I missed something.
If my memory serves me properly, Jose has won as a lightweight, welterweight, and a middleweight.
It’s Tito Raymond, not Jose. Even his Instagram he still claims life time natural :D
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My condolences if you sat through that whole thing.
I could not make it more than a few seconds of scanning the video. I'm guessing that Vic Richards posts here as LurkerNoMas...What a fooking maroon.
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O'hearn is 52 years of FILT.
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To be fair and it’s their peers we are talking about. I think it’s a mutual respect, not talking about what others do and their own business. However, if you ask Shawn Ray, who is very vocal, doesn’t give a damn, he’ll tell you all these guys are BS ;D
I mean Kevin even lies about his birth date, and height, mentioned his bd as 1966 and 1968, and height at 6 ft, in actuality he was born 1964 and 5’9
I’ll take whatever these guys say with a grain of salt
Even Ronnie lied about being an active police officer when he got pulled over years back :D
I've NEVER heard Levrone billed as 6 ft tall. Every video of him (American Muscle) I have seen from the early/mid-90s has him listed at 5'8" or 5'9", depending on how his hair is teased.
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I've NEVER heard Levrone billed as 6 ft tall. Every video of him (American Muscle) I have from the early/mid-90s has him listed at 5'8" or 5'9", depending on how his hair is teased.
It was one of his responses with someone on his Instagram page awhile back, he was talking how he competed at 6 ft 250+ pounds, in another comment i remember him saying 5’11 too. Pretty funny
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It was one of his responses with someone on his Instagram page awhile back, he was talking how he competed at 6 ft 250+ pounds, in another comment i remember him saying 5’11 too. Pretty funny
I buy the 250 part. He's listed at 235 lbs (contest shape) in 1992 at 5'8". My video of him winning the San Jose Pro show in 1994 (American Muscle) has him at 240 at 5'9". He was significantly bigger in the 2000s (2000, in particular).
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My condolences if you sat through that whole thing.
Only a few minutes. It was fascinating because I went to somewhere in the middle and Dave looked like he had fallen asleep! There were periods of silence. Sometimes Vic wanted a reaction but Dave was surfing the internet not listening at all.
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Why is Romano even a player in the body builder world? Has he ever accomplished anything of note in the industry? 1 other question what’s up with gaspari and palumbos lean but T. rex looking arms they both have that polomulizm look rich even has bumps on his forearms that look like a golf ball under the skin is that injury or site injection gone wrong it looks painful and not at all like muscle
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Why is Romano even a player in the body builder world? Has he ever accomplished anything of note in the industry? 1 other question what’s up with gaspari and palumbos lean but T. rex looking arms they both have that polomulizm look rich even has bumps on his forearms that look like a golf ball under the skin is that injury or site injection gone wrong it looks painful and not at all like muscle
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/tSgAAOSw3fJf~tK~/s-l500.jpg)
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Yet, we have far too many people with "average genetics", injecting everything under the sun as early as possible, yet looking NOTHING like IFBB pros or top NPC amateurs.
Again, the so-called secret stacks of certain pros have been posted on site after site for over two decades. Remember when the laundry list of what Andreas Munzer was taking back in '96, after he kicked the bucket, hit the magazines?
Therefore, the logic would be: You know the stacks; you have the meats (diet); you possess "average genetics"; now, you can just hop aboard the anabolic train and be Mr. Universe within a year or two.
Yet, the odds are slim of anyone of us, hopping on such a protocol (even in our youth) and looking like Munzer did.
So, I don't buy this notion that the the syringe alone separates the average Joe from Universe/Olympia glory.
Not everyone can afford 10,000mg per week. Plus 10-15 iu of GH per day. Slin is very cheap though.
Look at every single armature BBer these days.
Bloated to shit, juiced to the tits. Walking around at 280-300 pounds, them dieting down to 220-230. Still do not have that muscle maturity yet, it takes time.
Most people can't sustain that lifestyle for 10 years to put on the mass to be a pro. Even on insane amounts of gear, you can only put on so many pounds of real muscle a year. It's takes 10-15 years to get that kind of solid mass.
The genetics play a huge role in how you look, your balance and flow.
It's very easy to become 300 pounds, but once you diet down not everyone looks like Munzer.
King Kamali and Branch Warren are prefect examples. Did not have the genetics to place any better. Warren got so many gifts it's insane.
I've seen it 100 times, even with myself. Jump on 5-6 grams of gear a week and you get huge, but most of it is water. Not everyone has the level of commitment to say at that level for 5-10 years. Plus you need the Gh and Slin to make it to the top. GH is expensive.
That's why all these Pros sell drugs or sell their ass to creepy old men. They are desperate to stay huge, they don't see how they can be normal again. It's mental illness. These guys are no different than an alcoholic.
Look at some of these monsters from the middle east, they have access to high quality cheap gear. They get huge for 4-5 years and disappear. Not everyone is willing to put themselves through this. Cutler, Ronnie, Branch, Milos, etc. They will all die early. Just wait and see in 10-15 years.
Genetics dictate your flow and balance, drugs dictate your size. You have armature NPC guys walking around that dwarf the guys from the 70-80's. That's because of drugs, not genetics.
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Mike Ohearn, Ronnie, Vic Richards they all made incredible achievements in bodybuilding. Was is solely the drugs? No. Are they almost natural? Not in a million years.
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I've accomplished a number of personal goals , that I didn't think I could without anabolics: Bench-pressing over 400 lbs, achieving a bodyweight of 250, with an ectomorphic frame at 5'9", achieving 19" arms (albeit pumped and somewhat smooth).
Not doubting you but you must be quite a genetic marvel. Most 5’9” white ectos, who are in shape, weigh about 160 lbs. 250 lbs would be considered dangerously obese. O’Hearn is not only big but he’s in shape as well.
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O'Hearn is boring with his decades long lies. Yes he works hard, no doubt about it. But come on already. If he goes off the juice, his entire charade would end immediately. Same as the Rock.
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this is him the only time he came off in the last 25 years.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=573923.0;attach=619800;image)
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I know, its not a good analogy.
There are child piano prodigies, why aren't there child Michael Jordans or Tom Bradys or Ronnie Colemans?
Because some skills require adult brains and bodies, some don't
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this is him the only time he came off in the last 25 years.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=573923.0;attach=619800;image)
By the look of it, that's also before he got his 'natural' hairline reinforced
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There are child piano prodigies, why aren't there child Michael Jordans or Tom Bradys or Ronnie Colemans?
Because some skills require adult brains and bodies, some don't
yep, pretty much.
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Let’s just consider for one minute that OHearn is 100% natural and just let our collective imagination run wild imagining what this man could look like on even 400mg of deca a week, not to mention 5g of juice and 40iu of hgh. Can you say 20 time Mr Olympia while owning every single strength record known to mankind? 600lb incline reps for 20. 900lb squats for a dozen clean reps. Wow.
Just wow.
Unfortunately, my imagination is more likely to imagine those who believe him as absolute morons.
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Im with you that you can accomplish a lot drug free.
Thats said Mike OHearn is as natural as his botox injections. Or as natural as Dewayne Johnson's WM 30 physique.
This says it all.
So Mike, who makes living off his body, gets Botox, but doesn't get steroids - which are massively more related to physique transformation/enhancement?
LMAO!
Makes about as much sense as wondering why his face remained so statuesque at rest, only for a female friend who commented on a photo I posted it him at the Arnold Classic, by writing: "Man or Mannequin"?
I think she added something like "This Mr. Universe guy has gotten a little more than his muscles enhanced, me thinks."
Again, this was a female friend who knew NOTHING about bodybuilding.
But she could tell Mike had Botox and/or plastic surgery.
SO WHY THE F*CK NOT TAKE STEROIDS? LOL.
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Mike Ohearn, Ronnie, Vic Richards they all made incredible achievements in bodybuilding. Was is solely the drugs? No. Are they almost natural? Not in a million years.
Victor had some truly alien genetics though. Said he was hounded by people pressuring him to compete from the moment he stepped into a gym as a kid. I believe him.
Probably didn't take monstrous amounts of drugs either. Too stupid.
You want to see stupid geneticss? Look at Bonac's daughter!
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Victor had some truly alien genetics though. Said he was hounded by people pressuring him to compete from the moment he stepped into a gym as a kid. I believe him.
Probably didn't take monstrous amounts of drugs either. Too stupid.
You want to see stupid geneticss? Look at Bonac's daughter!
it was the 30,000 cals he used to eat
i would rather not be checking out the back muscles of a 2 year old if its OK with you
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Great interview. We had 148 pound guys who never came off telling me if you did what we did you'd shatter records....
I dont know what to think about anyone's claims when it comes to drug use. Somehow everyone used them but it was always a minimal amount, especially when compared to everyone else that was using.
I get it, there's a lot of hard work that goes into training, no amount of drugs will replace that (different sport but Barry Bonds in his prime was the best player in baseball before he used steroids, as an older guy on the decline he was the best hitter we've ever seen)but these guys are so afraid of their legacy being discredited.
This indeed always seems to be the story ("I used them but used way less than everyone else").
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This says it all.
So Mike, who makes living off his body, gets Botox, but doesn't get steroids - which are massively more related to physique transformation/enhancement?
LMAO!
Makes about as much sense as wondering why his face remained so statuesque at rest, only for a female friend who commented on a photo I posted it him at the Arnold Classic, by writing: "Man or Mannequin"?
I think she added something like "This Mr. Universe guy has gotten a little more than his muscles enhanced, me thinks."
Again, this was a female friend who knew NOTHING about bodybuilding.
But she could tell Mike had Botox and/or plastic surgery.
SO WHY THE F*CK NOT TAKE STEROIDS? LOL.
This thread would make Mike cry - if the Botox hadn't sealed his tear ducts shut
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Didn’t Skip La Queer claim natty but was eventually outed?
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Not doubting you but you must be quite a genetic marvel. Most 5’9” white ectos, who are in shape, weigh about 160 lbs. 250 lbs would be considered dangerously obese. O’Hearn is not only big but he’s in shape as well.
Not a genetic marvel. I'm an ecto, just not a white one. And at 250 lbs "off-season", that was when my goal was to put up 405 on the bench press. That was years ago. And I was hardly obese. My abs were visible.....BARELY (about 3 of them...4 if I flexed really hard ;D ).
With age, I have to keep my weight lower and waist smaller. So, I sit at 216 (as of Monday).
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This thread would make Mike cry - if the Botox hadn't sealed his tear ducts shut
It's a medical mishap you insensitive jerk.
You dont think Mike wishes he could cry when he sees that photo posted here when he was "off""? Hes gets so depressed that he literally will not step in front of a mirror for minutes.
Have some decency.
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It's a medical mishap you insensitive jerk.
You dont think Mike wishes he could cry when he sees that photo posted here when he was "off""? Hes gets so depressed that he literally will not step in front of a mirror for minutes.
Have some decency.
(http://media.giphy.com/media/GDnomdqpSHlIs/giphy.gif)
;D
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Doug something.
He was 5'9" and competed at maybe 205-lb, and deadlifted 405-lb for at least 20 reps. It could have been closer to 30, which was remarkable for his weight alone, even if he was on gear.
He had a name that allowed people to poke fun at his natural status - like Doug Spruce or something, and so people would call him Doug Juice. ;D That wasn't it, but his name was easy to make fun of like that.
Was it doug Miller? Aka Drug Miller
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it was the 30,000 cals he used to eat
i would rather not be checking out the back muscles of a 2 year old if its OK with you
That's kinda creepy I agree
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Didn’t Skip La Queer claim natty but was eventually outed?
Yeah, people believed him for years.
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Romana is the poster girl for a wannabe in his field - not even close & less than zero cigar.
O'Hearm has excellent genetics but a human body looking like this at any age would be a hormonal miracle.
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It's all a joke to them. Like Levrone saying he believes O'Hearn is natural... of course he doesn't really believe it, it's just a joke.
Privately Ron has said he only used testosterone as an amateur.
With Ronnie, he just genuinely doesn't seem very intelligent. Remember on the Joe Rogan show he said that on the off season he was 3% body fat and on stage around 1%?
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With Ronnie, he just genuinely doesn't seem very intelligent. Remember on the Joe Rogan show he said that on the off season he was 3% body fat and on stage around 1%?
its possible to be lower in bodyfat off season than onstage
Onstage you have no water weight and as such your overall bodyfat as a percentage is more
A dry competitor at 7% could be 5% if he carried more water...
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Are you suggesting that Ronnie Coleman was drug-free during his college football career, or during the early part of his competitive bodybuilding career? Because there is a big difference between those two periods of his life, in terms of size and conditioning.
Another example of Ronnie's lack of intelligence was when he said that anabolics didn't give him any more size but only helped with conditioning. He said this with a straight face pretty much right after he said how he slowly but steadily grew bigger and bigger every year.
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With Ronnie, he just genuinely doesn't seem very intelligent. Remember on the Joe Rogan show he said that on the off season he was 3% body fat and on stage around 1%?
I thought he said he was at negative bf% :D
I don't even care about these kinds of exggerations. Depending on the method used they might say someone was at 0% so it's not even a complete lie. I think Flex was calipered at 0% at some point.
Ronnie doesn't care, he doesn't take this kind baloney seriously himself. It's just run of the mill BS these kinds of people say. Kind of like saying you have a 12 inch dong without showing proof, something to laugh about.
Another example of Ronnie's lack of intelligence was when he said that anabolics didn't give him any more size but only helped with conditioning. He said this with a straight prett right after he said how he slowly but steadily grew bigger and bigger every year.
Just more baloney, I don't think he expects anyone to take it seriously :D
It might be that Ronnie, as he pumped ungodly number of CCs, felt that he wasn't really getting a good return of investment. Maybe it was the GH and insulin that added the size, or eating more precontest, whatever, so it comes out as that kind of statement.
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I thought he said he was at negative bf% :D
I don't even care about these kinds of exggerations. Depending on the method used they might say someone was at 0% so it's not even a complete lie. I think Flex was calipered at 0% at some point.
Supposedly tested by Billy Smith, witnessed by Jim Quinn a few weeks before the '93 Olympia :). Hilarious stuff.
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Supposedly tested by Billy Smith, witnessed by Jim Quinn a few weeks before the '93 Olympia :). Hilarious stuff.
I'm embarrassed to know this type of useless trivia :D
Here's some more: World Record squatter Fred Hatfield had the weakest quads Arthur Jones ever tested!
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Romana is the poster girl for a wannabe in his field annoying as fuck- not even close & less than zero cigar.
O'Hearm has excellent genetics but a human body looking like this at any age would be a hormonal miracle.
Fixed
I don't know how these videos get any views- especially with Romano.
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(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/tSgAAOSw3fJf~tK~/s-l500.jpg)
He also had a segment on American Muscle where he would prep some meals for contest bodybuilders. I have one episode where he makes fat-free chocolate cheesecake. On another episode, he makes turkey breasts.
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its possible to be lower in bodyfat off season than onstage
Onstage you have no water weight and as such your overall bodyfat as a percentage is more
A dry competitor at 7% could be 5% if he carried more water...
3%? And 1% onstage?
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Supposedly tested by Billy Smith, witnessed by Jim Quinn a few weeks before the '93 Olympia :). Hilarious stuff.
Are we talking about flex wheeler registering 0.0% body fat?
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Are we talking about flex wheeler registering 0.0% body fat?
Close.
0.00%
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Are we talking about flex wheeler registering 0.0% body fat?
Close.
0.00%
Who would doubt these men?! -
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=610079.0;attach=804623;image).
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Was it doug Miller? Aka Drug Miller
“Big nose ach” swore that he is natural
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Close.
0.00%
The ninjas had to take him out for a reason.
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I'm not 100% sure but I think Mike admitted to taking DHEA which means he is NOT natty
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How do you end up with a negative dosage? ;D
I was addressing two different people.
The latter part of that post was about the video's mentioning of Kai Greene. I have an issue of "All Natural Muscular Development, that features Greene in it.
It's basically the gist of the tail-end of that video, namely how big some of these guys were BEFORE they started taking anabolics.
Aceto claims that Greene gained 40 lbs in a year using steroids, after training a decade plus naturally. Priest states after he turned pro by winning Mr. Australia for the 3rd time, he got on "gear" and slapped on 20 lbs in six weeks.
If that's the case, how could something similar not be the case for Mr. "Ain't Nothin' But a Peanut", especially considering his decent size during his college football years, unless one is implying that Ronnie was a 150-lb weakling before hitting the weights?
Here is the issue of All-Natural Muscular Development with that article on Kai Greene.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=654825.0;attach=1129648;image)
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Here is the issue of All-Natural Muscular Development with that article on Kai Greene.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=654825.0;attach=1129648;image)
Regarding the post you quoted. I'm not sure but you're not a drug user correct? Have you seen a lot of guys use steroids?
You can use steroids for years and then suddenly make large gains while claiming you just recently started using. I could explain how it works. But the logic in your post doesn't necessarily work.
Ronnie's biggest gains came before he started competing. Nothing extra drastic happened when Ronnie had "the talk" with Flex and then started to work with Chad. It was simply a few small adjustments and deciding put in the next gear.
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, Ohearn is a genetic freak using small dosages over a long period of time with a very confidential medical practice in LA. Ronnie placed at the USA or nationals drug free but never won a national level show clean. Placing at a national level show whilst clean is something only he could do, Priest is a genetic freak, but fact is he still failed a drug test for nandrolone while competing under 70 kilos at the ifbbworld level.
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, Ohearn is a genetic freak using small dosages over a long period of time with a very confidential medical practice in LA. Ronnie placed at the USA or nationals drug free but never won a national level show clean. Placing at a national level show whilst clean is something only he could do, Priest is a genetic freak, but fact is he still failed a drug test for nandrolone while competing under 70 kilos at the ifbbworld level.
With a homosexual MD who specialises in TRT and proctology... ;)
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With a homosexual MD who specialises in TRT and proctology... ;)
Can't have been very confidential since you guys know about it. Loose sphincters sink ships.
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O'Hearn is the "male" version of Monica Brant.
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O'Hearn is the "male" version of Monica Brant.
Who do you think has aged better though?
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Who do you think has aged better though?
If by that you mean who has survived the PEDs and Botox injections "better", right now I would say it is Mike. But that's like saying who won the shit eating contest? ;D
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Regarding the post you quoted. I'm not sure but you're not a drug user correct? Have you seen a lot of guys use steroids?
You can use steroids for years and then suddenly make large gains while claiming you just recently started using. I could explain how it works. But the logic in your post doesn't necessarily work.
Ronnie's biggest gains came before he started competing. Nothing extra drastic happened when Ronnie had "the talk" with Flex and then started to work with Chad. It was simply a few small adjustments and deciding put in the next gear.
That magazine has the article about Kai Greene. I should have cropped out the part about Ronnie.
So, who supposedly gave Ronnie his roids at Grambling or in high school?
Dobson has gone on record, stating that Ronnie was natural. So have Kevin and Flex, two of his good friends. The motive for them to embellish for him after all these years would be what?
It goes back to how big was Ronnie before he started using anabolics. One would then have to infer that Dobson was so sophisticated that he knew how to help Ronnie get past the test at the Universe, while his contemporaries with their respective gurus could not....so they have to wait until 1992 to go after that next batch of pro cards.
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That magazine has the article about Kai Greene. I should have cropped out the part about Ronnie.
So, who supposedly gave Ronnie his roids at Grambling or in high school?
Dobson has gone on record, stating that Ronnie was natural. So have Kevin and Flex, two of his good friends. The motive for them to embellish for him after all these years would be what?
It goes back to how big was Ronnie before he started using anabolics. One would then have to infer that Dobson was so sophisticated that he knew how to help Ronnie get past the test at the Universe, while his contemporaries with their respective gurus could not....so they have to wait until 1992 to go after that next batch of pro cards.
Consider this: Levrone is on record, recently, saying he thinks O'Hearn is a lifetime natural. Do you think O'Hearn is natural? Do you think Levrone actually believes that BS? He doesn't.
They do this kind of shit for a laugh.
I have commented on the "tests" at the IFBB Universe. If you're not in the know you don't know how corrupt the org is. I've said that there is effectively no testing at the Universe. Milos has detailed the corruption at this show. This is the truth: practically NO contestant goes into that show even attempting to beat the test, they all go in fully loaded. Yet each year some go pro. How come? Yes a few may be made examples of so it looks good on paper. I've known competitors at this show, was at the Universe coaching one athlete a few years back. Fully loaded. There was no need for Dobson or whoever to be "sophisticated."
All these serious discussions regarding what these guys have said in magazines are sad. It's all bullshit. These guys sit discussing the things they said and sit there laughing among themselves.
What someone like Flex says about Ronnie, come on, it's not meant to be taken at face value. When they say Ronnie was natural they mean he wasn't taking things seriously, not that he was actually natural.
As an aside, fucking Flex is now selling fucking smilax to poor kids. He may have lost his kidneys and leg but there's no excuse for that shit.
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Consider this:
how come so many have so little trust in the authorities
tards will tard
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tards will tard
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O'Hearn is the "male" version of Monica Brant.
Who's the "female" version..?
;D
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Who's the "female" version..?
;D
;D ;D Excellente'!
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Consider this: Levrone is on record, recently, saying he thinks O'Hearn is a lifetime natural. Do you think O'Hearn is natural? Do you think Levrone actually believes that BS? He doesn't.
They do this kind of shit for a laugh.
I have commented on the "tests" at the IFBB Universe. If you're not in the know you don't know how corrupt the org is. I've said that there is effectively no testing at the Universe. Milos has detailed the corruption at this show. This is the truth: practically NO contestant goes into that show even attempting to beat the test, they all go in fully loaded. Yet each year some go pro. How come? Yes a few may be made examples of so it looks good on paper. I've known competitors at this show, was at the Universe coaching one athlete a few years back. Fully loaded. There was no need for Dobson or whoever to be "sophisticated."
Again, if that's the case, why didn't any of the other guys try to beat the test and go to the Universe to turn pro (especially knowing that, unlike the previous years' heavyweight champions, Kevin wasn't doing that show)?
All these serious discussions regarding what these guys have said in magazines are sad. It's all bullshit. These guys sit discussing the things they said and sit there laughing among themselves.
What someone like Flex says about Ronnie, come on, it's not meant to be taken at face value. When they say Ronnie was natural they mean he wasn't taking things seriously, not that he was actually natural.
As an aside, fucking Flex is now selling fucking smilax to poor kids. He may have lost his kidneys and leg but there's no excuse for that shit.
So, you call competing at the Nationals, winning the Universe, and turning pro (placing respectably and even winning a show) as not "taking things seriously". I beg to differ, as I do with this notion that Ronnie start injecting the instant his hand touched those Orbaton weights.
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With Ronnie, he just genuinely doesn't seem very intelligent. Remember on the Joe Rogan show he said that on the off season he was 3% body fat and on stage around 1%?
Ronnie might not seem that intelligent, but for some reason they always exaggerate in their favor, claiming body fat lower than it Was/is , arms bigger than reality , And those who rarely admit drug use always say it’s been very low dosages compared to what the rest of the IFBB uses.
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So, you call competing at the Nationals, winning the Universe, and turning pro (placing respectably and even winning a show) as not "taking things seriously". I beg to differ, as I do with this notion that Ronnie start injecting the instant his hand touched those Orbaton weights.
Taking things seriously is relative. You could argue that someone like Lee Priest never took drug use seriously, as in doing anything and everything possible to win.
Lee Priest has told the story many times where Hany was said to have been training him. Hany gave Lee a list of 8 or 9 drugs to use. Lee played along and had Hany thinking he was doing the cycle but later said he did what he always had done, 3 or 4 drugs at a time. That's why Lee never really worked with a coach. Lee told MD that Hany never helped him, all he did was tell him to do a ton of drugs. Lee said Hany was pissed when the interview came out.
Many good bodybuilders are uncoachable which is why some gurus hate working with males as they never do what is instructed. Females usually do what they are told to do. That's what some if them say.
I believe someone like Ronnie probably did do what Chad told him to do. Probably did shoot as much as was instructed. It's often said that bodybuilders will take anything and everything and that drugging a lot if easy. Nothing is further from the truth. Many bodybuilders are extremists and will do a lot but anyone in top level bodybuilding knows how mentally hard it is to take a ton of drugs day in and day out.
Chad said Ronnie did exactly as he was told. He became the GOAT in manh peoples eyes but he also crashed and burned, though still alive.
That's what I mean by serious. There are levels to drug use. Basic mickey mouse cycles vs doing whatever it takes.
I posted the Vic Richards interview. Another dude that would have been uncoachable. But imagine if some Kamikaze guru had gotten hold of him. He might be dead now but he might have been the best of all time.
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Taking things seriously is relative. You could argue that someone like Lee Priest never took drug use seriously, as in doing anything and everything possible to win.
Lee Priest has told the story many times where Hany was said to have been training him. Hany gave Lee a list of 8 or 9 drugs to use. Lee played along and had Hany thinking he was doing the cycle but later said he did what he always had done, 3 or 4 drugs at a time. That's why Lee never really worked with a coach. Lee told MD that Hany never helped him, all he did was tell him to do a ton of drugs. Lee said Hany was pissed when the interview came out.
Many good bodybuilders are uncoachable which is why some gurus hate working with males as they never do what is instructed. Females usually do what they are told to do. That's what some if them say.
I believe someone like Ronnie probably did do what Chad told him to do. Probably did shoot as much as was instructed. It's often said that bodybuilders will take anything and everything and that drugging a lot if easy. Nothing is further from the truth. Many bodybuilders are extremists and will do a lot but anyone in top level bodybuilding knows how mentally hard it is to take a ton of drugs day in and day out.
Chad said Ronnie did exactly as he was told. He became the GOAT in manh peoples eyes but he also crashed and burned, though still alive.
That's what I mean by serious. There are levels to drug use. Basic mickey mouse cycles vs doing whatever it takes.
I posted the Vic Richards interview. Another dude that would have been uncoachable. But imagine if some Kamikaze guru had gotten hold of him. He might be dead now but he might have been the best of all time.
Please look at Ronnie today.
He will do whatever it takes to continue to pursue whatever dream/goal he may have.
Is he using drugs now, just to train pain free?
Was he natural when he turned pro? Does it matter, he wasnt winning anything until he committed to a drug protocol (because, based on his videos, we know he wasnt doing extreme dieting).
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he criticised pros of today about not dieting hard enough to compete when he was swilling his chicken with bottle after bottle of barbacue sauce.
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Please look at Ronnie today.
He will do whatever it takes to continue to pursue whatever dream/goal he may have.
Is he using drugs now, just to train pain free?
Was he natural when he turned pro? Does it matter, he wasnt winning anything until he committed to a drug protocol (because, based on his videos, we know he wasnt doing extreme dieting).
He is on a lot of drugs, androgens and narcotics.
His dieting was maybe extreme in the sense that he was eating that chicken and rice for years. The barbecue sauce was necessary to keep getting it down. Chad said he simply factored in a certain amount of sauce for each meal. He obviously did diet hard and did eat large amounts off season.
Bostin Loyd said he has seen many plans for different guys Chad preps and protein is always 650 to 750 grams per day. Imagine how much for peak Ronnie.
Chad uses Marinol (THC, appetite/nausea drug) and Megace (progesterone, HIV wasting drug for appetite).
You could argue that 750 grams of protein is idiotic but getting that down day after day from meat is a job.
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He is on a lot of drugs, androgens and narcotics.
His dieting was maybe extreme in the sense that he was eating that chicken and rice for years. The barbecue sauce was necessary to keep getting it down. Chad said he simply factored in a certain amount of sauce for each meal. He obviously did diet hard and did eat large amounts off season.
Bostin Loyd said he has seen many plans for different guys Chad preps and protein is always 650 to 750 grams per day. Imagine how much for peak Ronnie.
Chad uses Marinol (THC, appetite/nausea drug) and Megace (progesterone, HIV wasting drug for appetite).
You could argue that 750 grams of protein is idiotic but getting that down day after day from meat is a job.
Ronnie always used shakes..
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He is on a lot of drugs, androgens and narcotics.
His dieting was maybe extreme in the sense that he was eating that chicken and rice for years. The barbecue sauce was necessary to keep getting it down. Chad said he simply factored in a certain amount of sauce for each meal. He obviously did diet hard and did eat large amounts off season.
Bostin Loyd said he has seen many plans for different guys Chad preps and protein is always 650 to 750 grams per day. Imagine how much for peak Ronnie.
Chad uses Marinol (THC, appetite/nausea drug) and Megace (progesterone, HIV wasting drug for appetite).
You could argue that 750 grams of protein is idiotic but getting that down day after day from meat is a job.
Good points, eating that much food, especially considering prime Ronnie, is insane. That is extreme dieting.The bbq sauce probably wasnt that big of a deal but I was looking at it from my perspective as a competitor.
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Who's the "female" version..?
;D
Bro...
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Not only does Ohearn have the greatest genetics ever they defy nature. Every male on the planet has a gradual drop in their natural test production in their 40's. Yet Mike looks exactly the same or better than how he looked In his 20's at 52yrs old. 52yrs old 250lbs 6% bf year round natty. Just amazing
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Ohearn has the same roided look like any king of the local gym type that are on the sauce. Look at the veins not natty
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So, ohearn goes through the trouble of Botox, plastic surgery, hair pieces/transplants, in which he’s obsessed with his looks (understandable since that’s making him money) but decides to stay natural with no test, or gh. Yes, that makes a lot of sense considering test and gh would do wonders for someone his age and give his skin the youthful glow and elasticity. Makes a lot of sense, doesn’t it
Who actually believes this stuff, in this day with social media and more people open about drug use?
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Ronnie always used shakes..
Yes a couple of 70 gram whey shakes but also like 6-7 meals of 12oz of meat for Chad's low level amateur competitors.
Who actually believes this stuff, in this day with social media and more people open about drug use?
It's the "why would they lie?" MCWAY logic. Why would someone like Levrone cover for O'Hearn? That's why many believe it.
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So, ohearn goes through the trouble of Botox, plastic surgery, hair pieces/transplants, in which he’s obsessed with his looks (understandable since that’s making him money) but decides to stay natural with no test, or gh. Yes, that makes a lot of sense considering test and gh would do wonders for someone his age and give his skin the youthful glow and elasticity. Makes a lot of sense, doesn’t it
Who actually believes this stuff, in this day with social media and more people open about drug use?
This is just common sense and applied logic. Mike is going full bore on every aspect of his appearance yet is supposed to neglect the one that his life and career depend on. Sarcopenia is a condition that affects everyone no matter what. You can slow it down but you can't eliminate it. Everybody, juicer and natural alike, will lose muscle as they get older. Mike has not only maintained but added muscle mass to an already advanced physique since he was in his thirties.
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Is O'Hearn truly natty? ???
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Is O'Hearn truly natty? ???
Please shut the fuck up. Thank you.
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Please shut the fuck up. Thank you.
No you shut up
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It's the "why would they lie?" MCWAY logic. Why would someone like Levrone cover for O'Hearn? That's why many believe it.
It defies logic.
How would Levrone know? It's not like these guys share pins together. ;D
This argument is so silly.
It's obvious the guy is juiced to the tits.
O'hearn is the only person who knows the truth and he is obviously lying his ass off.
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Yes a couple of 70 gram whey shakes but also like 6-7 meals of 12oz of meat for Chad's low level amateur competitors.
It's the "why would they lie?" MCWAY logic. Why would someone like Levrone cover for O'Hearn? That's why many believe it.
And Levrone is the last person anyone should believe, like I’ve mentioned he lied about his age, his height, and can’t even remember how old he is until it benefits him like the comeback at 52 years old when he actually acknowledged his age for once since he was doing all this transformation and competing over 50 to make a “statement”
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And it's not necessarily that O'Hearn uses "low doses" either.
No it's not multigram amounts but it's not some glorified HRT with just a liberal amount of test and GH. You can clearly see the progression of compounds and amounts through the years. Some idiots concede that yes he most likely uses now but it's just some test and GH he started late. These people are just as clueless. No, he's been on a 30 year cycle. Yes you can use for decades straight without disintegrating.
And Levrone is the last person anyone should believe, like I’ve mentioned he lied about his age, his height, and can’t even remember how old he is until it benefits him like the comeback at 52 years old when he actually acknowledged his age for once since he was doing all this transformation and competing over 50 to make a “statement”
Haha yes, he suddenly remembered his age when it suited him. Before his last show he posted X-rays of his knees to prove that they were in perfect condition. Then when he didn't do so well he had the excuse of having bad knees. Absolutely pathetic.
It defies logic.
How would Levrone know? It's not like these guys share pins together. ;D
This argument is so silly.
It's obvious the guy is juiced to the tits.
O'hearn is the only person who knows the truth and he is obviously lying his ass off.
Like I said earlier, this is all a joke to them. I bet anything that Levrone and O'Hearn have had drug talks before. It's not like O'Hearn would BS Levrone privately or any other person who knows what's up.
Another pathetic in-joke was Palumbo predicting Levrone would win. Palumbo isn't that stupid.
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another aspect that is amazing (sarcasm) in regard to O'hearn...
i've never heard or read of him EVER having injuries, feeling aches and pains even at his age now!?
for someone who has lifted heavy for decades and never taking time off, he's never had any injuries? never feels sore and with aches and pains anywhere?...
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another aspect that is amazing (sarcasm) in regard to O'hearn...
i've never heard or read of him EVER having injuries, feeling aches and pains even at his age now!?
for someone who has lifted heavy for decades and never taking time off, he's never had any injuries? never feels sore and with aches and pains anywhere?...
I don't know what point you are trying to make. Is it that drugs protect you from injury? They really don't. Perhaps some degenerative shit but tears and acute injuries are increased ime. Soreness is probably increased. He's had plenty of aches and pains, everyone does without exception.
Another thing which I've never seen anyone else make anywhere: steroids do not hasten recovery in the sense that you can train more, more often. Training volume and frequency almost always comes down on steroids.
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I was doing the Rochester NY contest and talking to a friend who trained under Chad..............he got up to 300 pounds bodyweight.........told me Chad had him drinking a bottle of Hersheys Syrup daily for the extra calories and tons of food.
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It's the "why would they lie?" MCWAY logic. Why would someone like Levrone cover for O'Hearn? That's why many believe it.
Usually, there's a motive or incentive to cover for someone. Yet, no one has been able to produce one to explain why would Palumbo, Levrone, Romano, Aceto, Priest, or anyone else vouch for O'Hearn's drug-free claims for over two decades.
Financial? Personal? Professional? Is there some secret mission to uncover the unholy "stack" that O'Hearn has been injecting all these years?
It's the same old song and dance. Some folks think it's just impossible for O'Hearn (or Greene, Priest, Coleman, or anybody else) to put on any type of appreciable size, without injecting everything but the kitchen sink the instant that guy's hand touched a barbell or ingests his first protein shake.
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Usually, there's a motive or incentive to cover for someone. Yet, no one has been able to produce one to explain why would Palumbo, Levrone, Romano, Aceto, Priest, or anyone else vouch for O'Hearn's drug-free claims for over two decades.
Financial? Personal? Professional? Is there some secret mission to uncover the unholy "stack" that O'Hearn has been injecting all these years?
It's the same old song and dance. Some folks think it's just impossible for O'Hearn (or Greene, Priest, Coleman, or anybody else) to put on any type of appreciable size, without injecting everything but the kitchen sink the instant that guy's hand touched a barbell or ingests his first protein shake.
I gave my theory, which is the truth. It's a joke. Something to laugh at. I assure you, none of these think this privately. Some of Mike's friends joke in the opposite direction, like Mark Bell, who calls Mike Mike O'Tren, which is true basically.
Are you seriously entertaining the idea that Mike might be natural? Or that he only did some HRT late in life?
Ask tommywishbone, he knows all these characters.
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I was doing the Rochester NY contest and talking to a friend who trained under Chad..............he got up to 300 pounds bodyweight.........told me Chad had him drinking a bottle of Hersheys Syrup daily for the extra calories and tons of food.
Chad has them eating cookies. After all that meat it would be impossible to eat as many calories as he wants them to from rice etc.
The fastest way to grow is eating a ton of protein and calories. Some here seriously argued that 50 grams is all you need to grow at the fastest rate. You want that mtor switched on fully all day and all night with high insulin, gh and androgens in blood constantly. Chad believes in insulin only a few days a week but it's not the fastest way.
Lots of Lantus with quick acting several times a day while pumping upper tolerable amounts of GH. Healthy, no.
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Usually, there's a motive or incentive to cover for someone. Yet, no one has been able to produce one to explain why would Palumbo, Levrone, Romano, Aceto, Priest, or anyone else vouch for O'Hearn's drug-free claims for over two decades.
Financial? Personal? Professional? Is there some secret mission to uncover the unholy "stack" that O'Hearn has been injecting all these years?
It's the same old song and dance. Some folks think it's just impossible for O'Hearn (or Greene, Priest, Coleman, or anybody else) to put on any type of appreciable size, without injecting everything but the kitchen sink the instant that guy's hand touched a barbell or ingests his first protein shake.
You are a good poster and seem like a good dude on this board who has followed bbing for a long time but we have competitors on here, guys that have been around top amateurs, pros, and some know how to prep guys for shows. Van bilderass is a solid and knowledgeable guy when it comes to gear and respected on this board.
Serious question, you really think o Hearn hasn’t touched a syringe in his entire life? A guy like I said used Botox, plastic surgery, hair pieces and hair transplants to stay young? So he decided to forgo the the things that would help make him look younger, leaner??
All those other guys you’ve mentioned they were taking stuff when competing, not necessarily before the touched a barbell but when they stood on stage being competitive bbers they were on, doesn’t mean they did a shit load but def on cycles
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So many voices defending the natty status of O'Hearn. Is he paying them? Lee Priest, Palumbo, Romano, Jose Raymond...
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So many voices defending the natty status of O'Hearn. Is he paying them? Lee Priest, Palumbo, Romano, Jose Raymond...
X2.
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHH
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Chad has them eating cookies. After all that meat it would be impossible to eat as many calories as he wants them to from rice etc.
The fastest way to grow is eating a ton of protein and calories. Some here seriously argued that 50 grams is all you need to grow at the fastest rate. You want that mtor switched on fully all day and all night with high insulin, gh and androgens in blood constantly. Chad believes in insulin only a few days a week but it's not the fastest way.
Lots of Lantus with quick acting several times a day while pumping upper tolerable amounts of GH. Healthy, no.
Pure myth. I know, if you repeat it enough people will think it's true. All you get by "eating a ton pf protein" is a "ton of uric acid" saturating your pee. So what is the optimal amount of protein to take in daily? It of course depends on your body weight, but that being said, about one gram per kilo is all you need. Go research it if you need verification. A typical "getbigger" weighs 100 kg if you are to believe them. So that's 100 g a day.
I seriously argue you only need 50-100. I changed my diet after a bout of that high uric acid load (aka kidney stones) and have consumed, on average 50 gms a day with the rest being fats and carbs. I weigh 90kg, and of course since I'm posting it means it's 100% fat, lol. Haven't lost an ounce of muscle since I did that.
An interesting study about muscle mass on older people showed that simply supplementing with 24 g a day protein drink lead to maximal muscle growth. 24 g, not 240g.
https://www.athleticbusiness.com/health-fitness/research-update-protein-and-body-composition.html
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So many voices defending the natty status of O'Hearn. Is he paying them? Lee Priest, Palumbo, Romano, Jose Raymond...
Maybe he is "natural". Maybe he isn't. I don't lose sleep over it. But I must say, O'Hearn has maintained the perfect physique for years. He never looks like the typical drug bloated bodybuilder who turns to shit after he stops competing. Good for him. I hope he lives to 100 and keeps his muscle. The physiologists can then determine what he was on, because it fucking works, lol.
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He only lets himself get photographed sometimes during the year, so i highly doubt he mantains his condition for the claimed decades, all year, all years. It's nonsense when you think about it regardless if he is on or not.
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He only lets himself get photographed sometimes during the year, so i highly doubt he mantains his condition for the claimed decades, all year, all years. It's nonsense when you think about it regardless if he is on or not.
If someone can produce a flabby, shitty looking pic of O'Hearn, then I might believe it. But even with all these camera phones and bodybuilding gossipers out there, no one has been able to capture it. Any yet I can go online and find all kinds of pics of fat celebrities who live in LA. Mike must have magical powers.
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If one motherfcker here thinks for one mothrfucking second that O'Hearn is natural I'll kill everybody here.
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If someone can produce a flabby, shitty looking pic of O'Hearn, then I might believe it. But even with all these camera phones and bodybuilding gossipers out there, no one has been able to capture it. Any yet I can go online and find all kinds of pics of fat celebrities who live in LA. Mike must have magical powers.
there is a photo in this thread where it looks like hes clean...
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:P
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Young O'hearn -
(https://external-preview.redd.it/-fVyV_CoI52NHgpmL53nymK0AbcQVF2NkYvd8LoaYp4.jpg?auto=webp&s=2294f63a6ddc8c6510228a6f87130faac33820bf).
O'hearn at 14 -
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSvcm1blRqx2zBKoYMT84sx-h9iMpj8iFCKRrZuher6yE12l9oz0RXCqtDG4KeHThpFSUA&usqp=CAU).
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OHearns business is his body, His natural stance is not promoted by other pros its ridiculed, anyone who has spent time in Venice over the years would tell you that. What they might say in a magazine is another thing. He's a smart guy too, smart enough not to have his natural stance destroyed by Balco in the past like many others.
My two cents is he's a long term user through a very confidential medical practice in LA, low dose amounts similar to an Armstrong type protocol. The guys a genetic freak with great response,and has built and maintained a great healthy look over three decades, Im sure he would beat any drug test like armstrong except a polygraph. He really is the long term MR Olympia and should be applauded how he has managed to stay in that shape over such a long period of time at least three decades I met him for the first time in the mid 90s.he looked similar to what he does then now.
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Come on he`s on gear and has been for years.
There is no natural/clean bodybuilder on the planet at 50 years of age that looks comparable.
If there is one, none of us have seen him.
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If one motherfcker here thinks for one mothrfucking second that O'Hearn is natural I'll kill everybody here.
I’m sure he’s used creatine and glutamine but not much else.
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I’m sure he’s used creatine and glutamine but not much else.
Possibly Bee Pollen as well.......only he knows
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I’m sure he’s used creatine and glutamine but not much else.
I heard he was hooked on the original Met-Rx in the '90s - at one point he was using 5 sachets a day :-\
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Maybe he is "natural". Maybe he isn't. I don't lose sleep over it. But I must say, O'Hearn has maintained the perfect physique for years. He never looks like the typical drug bloated bodybuilder who turns to shit after he stops competing. Good for him. I hope he lives to 100 and keeps his muscle. The physiologists can then determine what he was on, because it fucking works, lol.
He's still selling a lie .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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I heard he was hooked on the original Met-Rx in the '90s - at one point he was using 5 sachets a day :-\
I remember being a teen and wanting to try Met-Rx. Sadly there was only Mega Mass available in Portugal.
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Usually, there's a motive or incentive to cover for someone. Yet, no one has been able to produce one to explain why would Palumbo, Levrone, Romano, Aceto, Priest, or anyone else vouch for O'Hearn's drug-free claims for over two decades.
Financial? Personal? Professional? Is there some secret mission to uncover the unholy "stack" that O'Hearn has been injecting all these years?
It's the same old song and dance. Some folks think it's just impossible for O'Hearn (or Greene, Priest, Coleman, or anybody else) to put on any type of appreciable size, without injecting everything but the kitchen sink the instant that guy's hand touched a barbell or ingests his first protein shake.
It's easy for me to understand. Imagine yourself as part of the inner circle. They know what you take you know what they take. The question is, not what motive do you have to lie but motive do you have to tell the truth.
I'm going to guess that you have friends that juice. Would you go flapping your mouth off to his girlfriend or friends in or outside the gym. How would you feel if it was done to you?
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Mike admitted to taking DHEA, that means he is not natty, no?
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So many voices defending the natty status of O'Hearn. Is he paying them? Lee Priest, Palumbo, Romano, Jose Raymond...
Rats protect each other - they're basically making money from building on "white" lies.
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Pure myth. I know, if you repeat it enough people will think it's true.
Go research it if you need verification.
First, the fact that you even entertain the idea that Mike might be natural means you are entirely dismissed as someone who knows anything whatsoever about modern bodybuilding. You might still know some things related to bodybuilding but there is such a big blind spot as to classify you as a retard. It means you have zero personal experience with PEDs and zero experience watching PED users in real life.
As to the protein, it's you who needs to do research. Review the whole body of protein research as it relates to athletes. It is generally agreed by most, if not all, experts that optimal amounts of protein for muscle growth might be as high as 3 grams per kilo. Or even higher but it hasn't been researched enough, especially in PED users. In the real world there are no bodybuilders worth anything, neither druggies, so-called naturals nor real naturals who eat only 1 gram per kilo, especially during diets when protein requirements go up.
An interesting study about muscle mass on older people showed that simply supplementing with 24 g a day protein drink lead to maximal muscle growth. 24 g, not 240g.
https://www.athleticbusiness.com/health-fitness/research-update-protein-and-body-composition.html
A laughable study for many reasons.
Contrast with
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25056502/
How much can be beneficial in a single meal? You have to look at both MPS and protein degradation.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26530155/
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I remember being a teen and wanting to try Met-Rx. Sadly there was only Mega Mass available in Portugal.
I felt the same about 'Hot Stuff' (oh brother) which I don't think was ever imported to the UK (watch someone correct me now I've said that!)
We had to make do with 'Great Stuff' (cringe)
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If one motherfcker here thinks for one mothrfucking second that O'Hearn is natural I'll kill everybody here.
I’ll help you bury all the bodies, I have a huge backyard enough to fit lots of em
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I don't know what point you are trying to make. Is it that drugs protect you from injury? They really don't. Perhaps some degenerative shit but tears and acute injuries are increased ime. Soreness is probably increased. He's had plenty of aches and pains, everyone does without exception.
Another thing which I've never seen anyone else make anywhere: steroids do not hasten recovery in the sense that you can train more, more often. Training volume and frequency almost always comes down on steroidsy.
when i was 20 natty, the best juicers were high volume in gym
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First, the fact that you even entertain the idea that Mike might be natural means you are entirely dismissed as someone who knows anything whatsoever about modern bodybuilding. You might still know some things related to bodybuilding but there is such a big blind spot as to classify you as a retard. It means you have zero personal experience with PEDs and zero experience watching PED users in real life.
As to the protein, it's you who needs to do research. Review the whole body of protein research as it relates to athletes. It is generally agreed by most, if not all, experts that optimal amounts of protein for muscle growth might be as high as 3 grams per kilo. Or even higher but it hasn't been researched enough, especially in PED users. In the real world there are no bodybuilders worth anything, neither druggies, so-called naturals nor real naturals who eat only 1 gram per kilo, especially during diets when protein requirements go up.
A laughable study for many reasons.
Contrast with
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25056502/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25056502/)
How much can be beneficial in a single meal? You have to look at both MPS and protein degradation.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26530155/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26530155/)
Oh fuck off dude, lol. There are so many times you are wrong about physiology it just blows my mind. You labor under the notion that everyone in the universe is on dope. A lot might be, but I think it is a crutch to justify your drug usage. There are guys in the ghetto with natural physiques that put most gym rats to shame- probably yours in that class - and I guarantee you they aren't pounding down protein shakes.
I hit a nerve since this is the most ad hominem attack I have ever seen you make. Let's face it - you are from the Palumbo school of chemistry. Your knowledge is as superficial as a pair of silicone tits. But you are amusing and I still like your posts. Nothing against you personally mind you ;D
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Mike admitted to taking DHEA, that means he is not natty, no?
Where did he admit this Pamela?
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I felt the same about 'Hot Stuff' (oh brother) which I don't think was ever imported to the UK (watch someone correct me now I've said that!)
We had to make do with 'Great Stuff' (cringe)
Hot stuff was like drinking an Ultimate Orange protein shake.
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It's easy for me to understand. Imagine yourself as part of the inner circle. They know what you take you know what they take. The question is, not what motive do you have to lie but motive do you have to tell the truth.
I'm going to guess that you have friends that juice. Would you go flapping your mouth off to his girlfriend or friends in or outside the gym. How would you feel if it was done to you?
You would guess incorrectly. None of my friends are into bodybuilding. So, the odds of their using steroids is practically nil.
As stated earlier, many of the so-called secret stacks of the pros have been posted online or even mentioned in print for over two decades. So, what would be the point of an "inner circle"?
If a guy were using anabolics, dollars-to-donuts, his girlfriend/wife and his buddies already know. We've yet to get a whistleblower to exposed the dastardly O'Hearn for the alleged fraud that he is (not even his ex-wife, Midajah).
Oh fuck off dude, lol. There are so many times you are wrong about physiology it just blows my mind. You labor under the notion that everyone in the universe is on dope. A lot might be, but I think it is a crutch to justify your drug usage. There are guys in the ghetto with natural physiques that put most gym rats to shame- probably yours in that class - and I guarantee you they aren't pounding down protein shakes.
I hit a nerve since this is the most ad hominem attack I have ever seen you make. Let's face it - you are from the Palumbo school of chemistry. Your knowledge is as superficial as a pair of silicone tits. But you are amusing and I still like your posts. Nothing against you personally mind you ;D
That goes back to what I said earlier. How big were these guys before the anabolics? Priest said he didn't start using until he already won the Mr. Australia for a third time to turn pro. Greene mentioned the years he competed naturally, winning the WNBF Natural Universe. He called it "seductive" to start using performance enhancers, once he'd already reached the proverbial mountain top in the natural federations.
And, then there's Mr. "Ain't Nuttin' but a Peanut". You know the story of his Universe win and those who've vouched for his natural claims early in his career.
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Hot stuff was like drinking an Ultimate Orange protein shake.
You mean the stuff that makes your arm twitch involuntarily and makes your head feel as if it's in a vice, with a hair dryer blasting you in the face?
Hot Stuff was nothing like that. It has this weird semi-sweet bee pollen taste. I remember getting samples of this in Tyrone Square mall back in 1989.
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You would guess incorrectly. None of my friends are into bodybuilding. So, the odds of their using steroids is practically nil.
As stated earlier, many of the so-called secret stacks of the pros have been posted online or even mentioned in print for over two decades. So, what would be the point of an "inner circle"?
If a guy were using anabolics, dollars-to-donuts, his girlfriend/wife and his buddies already know. We've yet to get a whistleblower to exposed the dastardly O'Hearn for the alleged fraud that he is (not even his ex-wife, Midajah).
That goes back to what I said earlier. How big were these guys before the anabolics? Priest said he didn't start using until he already won the Mr. Australia for a third time to turn pro. Greene mentioned the years he competed naturally, winning the WNBF Natural Universe. He called it "seductive" to start using performance enhancers, once he'd already reached the proverbial mountain top in the natural federations.
And, then there's Mr. "Ain't Nuttin' but a Peanut". You know the story of his Universe win and those who've vouched for his natural claims early in his career.
Mcway one of our boards very own, a reputable man, said he sold Mike anabolic drugs when said member worked at Golds in Venice.
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You mean the stuff that makes your arm twitch involuntarily and makes your head feel as if it's in a vice, with a hair dryer blasting you in the face?
Hot Stuff was nothing like that. It has this weird semi-sweet bee pollen taste. I remember getting samples of this in Tyrone Square mall back in 1989.
I used the "new and improved" reformulated Hot Stuff from the late 90's. I remember it being as awful tasting as Ultimate Orange.
But I could be way off on my memory, 20 years ago I remembered my mom being a good cook. Adulthood proved that recollection incorrect.
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I used the "new and improved" reformulated Hot Stuff from the late 90's. I remember it being as awful tasting as Ultimate Orange.
But I could be way off on my memory, 20 years ago I remembered my mom being a good cook. Adulthood proved that recollection incorrect.
I tried Ultimate Orange one time in 1996. It worked as advertised, but that headache along with my arm going cold and twitching like an out-of-water fish told me that this was not for me.
It took me two months to finish it, as I didn't want to waste my money. But, when I got rid of the very last of it, I chucked that container and vowed never to touch that mess ever again.
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If I had a dollar for every Getbigger that has come and gone over the last 18 years, claiming to have sold anabolics to high-profile bodybuilders, I could retire TODAY.
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Oh fuck off dude, lol.
van is a bona fide imbecile:
how come so many have so little trust in the authorities
^amazing
If one motherfcker here thinks for one mothrfucking second that O'Hearn is natural I'll kill everybody here.
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Oh fuck off dude, lol. There are so many times you are wrong about physiology it just blows my mind. You labor under the notion that everyone in the universe is on dope. A lot might be, but I think it is a crutch to justify your drug usage. There are guys in the ghetto with natural physiques that put most gym rats to shame- probably yours in that class - and I guarantee you they aren't pounding down protein shakes.
I hit a nerve since this is the most ad hominem attack I have ever seen you make. Let's face it - you are from the Palumbo school of chemistry. Your knowledge is as superficial as a pair of silicone tits. But you are amusing and I still like your posts. Nothing against you personally mind you ;D
Where are these guys in the ghetto with physiques better than gym rats? Highly exaggerated
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Where are these guys in the ghetto with physiques better than gym rats? Highly exaggerated
I think he meant to say their cocks. Not their physiques.
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Oh fuck off dude, lol. There are so many times you are wrong about physiology it just blows my mind. You labor under the notion that everyone in the universe is on dope. A lot might be, but I think it is a crutch to justify your drug usage. There are guys in the ghetto with natural physiques that put most gym rats to shame- probably yours in that class - and I guarantee you they aren't pounding down protein shakes.
I hit a nerve since this is the most ad hominem attack I have ever seen you make. Let's face it - you are from the Palumbo school of chemistry. Your knowledge is as superficial as a pair of silicone tits. But you are amusing and I still like your posts. Nothing against you personally mind you ;D
Tell me if I'm wrong about you never having used anabolics nor seeing many go on and off cycles?
The magic ghetto negro that looks like a pro bodybuilder without training, eating crap and smoking dope is a myth. It's not real. You do see some specimens that you can tell would respond real well to the lifestyle, but potential is not the same as the real thing.
There is no way for anyone to duplicate a juiced look, no matter the genetics. It goes beyond bodyfat level and muscle mass level. Absolutely no one in the history of the universe could look like O'Hearn without drugs. Taking steroids is like a woman putting filler in her lips, someone might have naturally bigger lips but the filler look is just different, unnatural. A plastic surgeon can look at pics of womens faces and guess with high accuracy what kind of procedures they have had done. Same with people who have a lot of personal experience with drugs.
Just reading about something leads to superficial understanding. Some exercise scientists like Brad Schoenfeld have said that bodybuilders may not know why something works but they have still arrived at largely the right conclusions. Like with protein intakes. On paper you don't "need" much but more and more science confirms that bodybuilders were right all along.
I am not writing this seething with rage either, tone is hard to convey in writing :D
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I think he meant to say their cocks. Not their physiques.
Makes more sense
Seems getbiggers know a lot about or been around a lot of ghettos to know this assessment
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van is a bona fide imbecile:
^amazing
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I think you misunderstood the meaning of my post there. I wasn't saying people are wrong to distrust the authorities. There are reasons for it. But people such as yourself go completely off the rails and assume the authorities are purposely attempting kill off large portions of humanity. David Icke level shit. It's possible that there might be some yet to be seen sides with these drugs but I highly doubt a high % will be dropping dead within a few months as you have claimed. We will see.
Where are these guys in the ghetto with physiques better than gym rats? Highly exaggerated
I was writing my post when you posted that and I agree. It's bullshit. There are no juiced looking crackheads in the ghetto.
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Tell me if I'm wrong about you never having used anabolics nor seeing many go on and off cycles?
The magic ghetto negro that looks like a pro bodybuilder without training, eating crap and smoking dope is a myth. It's not real. You do see some specimens that you can tell would respond real well to the lifestyle, but potential is not the same as the real thing.
There is no way for anyone to duplicate a juiced look, no matter the genetics. It goes beyond bodyfat level and muscle mass level. Absolutely no one in the history of the universe could look like O'Hearn without drugs. Taking steroids is like a woman putting filler in her lips, someone might have naturally bigger lips but the filler look is just different, unnatural. A plastic surgeon can look at pics of womens faces and guess with high accuracy what kind of procedures they have had done. Same with people who have a lot of personal experience with drugs.
Just reading about something leads to superficial understanding. Some exercise scientists like Brad Schoenfeld have said that bodybuilders may not know why something works but they have still arrived at largely the right conclusions. Like with protein intakes. On paper you don't "need" much but more and more science confirms that bodybuilders were right all along.
I am not writing this seething with rage either, tone is hard to convey in writing :D
He didn't say anything about magical ghetto negroes looking like pro bodybuilders. He said some of them put most gym rats to shame.
Said another way, it's amazing how big some people can get when they aren't being told not to bother screwing on the collars on the barbells to secure those cement plates, unless that vial of Deca or Winstrol is at the ready upon racking the weight.
Isn't keeping size while dieting one of the big edges that anabolic-using bodybuilders have over their natural counterparts?
I've seen reported nattys who look HUGE when at low-double-digit/high-single-digit body fat levels....only to look like crackheads when they get super ripped for shows.
Lift heavy; ingest lots of calories; rest; repeat. And somehow, you get SWOLE.
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He didn't say anything about magical ghetto negroes looking like pro bodybuilders. He said some of them put most gym rats to shame.
Said another way, it's amazing how big some people can get when they aren't being told not to bother screwing on the collars on the barbells to secure those cement plates, unless that vial of Deca or Winstrol is at the ready upon racking the weight.
Isn't keeping size while dieting one of the big edges that anabolic-using bodybuilders have over their natural counterparts?
I've seen reported nattys who look HUGE when at low-double-digit/high-single-digit body fat levels....only to look like crackheads when they get super ripped for shows.
Okay, though many people have made the claim that many ghetto blacks look like competitive bodybuilders.
No, the main effect of steroids is NOT maintenance of muscle on diets, although they do that extremely well.
It is not even the absolute level of lean mass they give.
What steroids do is make you look different, it's certain look that can't be duplicated without them. An actor can have 11 inch pipe cleaners but look absolutely fantastic when on drugs. A natural may have mire absolute lean mass but can never have the drugged look.
An example. Do you see what I'm saying?
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people such as yourself go completely off the rails and assume the authorities are purposely attempting kill off large portions of humanity. David Icke level shit.
there is no mystery in regard to mRNA tech – the dangers r known.
that's another reason why u r an imbecile – u spout off, ignorantly - to the detriment of humanity.
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Okay, though many people have made the claim that many ghetto blacks look like competitive bodybuilders.
No, the main effect of steroids is NOT maintenance of muscle on diets, although they do that extremely well.
It is not even the absolute level of lean mass they give.
What steroids do is make you look different, it's certain look that can't be duplicated without them. An actor can have 11 inch pipe cleaners but look absolutely fantastic when on drugs. A natural may have mire absolute lean mass but can never have the drugged look.
An example. Do you see what I'm saying?
You don't need anabolics to look like that in two years. The guy looks fairly athletic in the 2015 shot. It's not as if he's a complete twig or beanpole.
And that's assuming he's not regaining size he once had.
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You don't need anabolics to look like that in two years. The guy looks fairly athletic in the 2015 shot. It's not as if he's a complete twig or beanpole.
And that's assuming he's not regaining size he once had.
It’s not the size it’s the “look” the “quality” you don’t have to use a lot to get that look if your genetics are pretty decent
Naturals don’t have that “look”
Musclemania is supposedly a natural confederation but the quality and look of the competitors are better than the 70’s and even 80’s bbers who aren’t natural
No one is saying guys are using secret stacks or high dosages but minimal usage with good genetics can transform a physique quickly
Have you ever used gear?
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He didn't say anything about magical ghetto negroes looking like pro bodybuilders. He said some of them put most gym rats to shame.
Said another way, it's amazing how big some people can get when they aren't being told not to bother screwing on the collars on the barbells to secure those cement plates, unless that vial of Deca or Winstrol is at the ready upon racking the weight.
Isn't keeping size while dieting one of the big edges that anabolic-using bodybuilders have over their natural counterparts?
I've seen reported nattys who look HUGE when at low-double-digit/high-single-digit body fat levels....only to look like crackheads when they get super ripped for shows.
Lift heavy; ingest lots of calories; rest; repeat. And somehow, you get SWOLE.
Again, it seems like getbiggers visit the ghetto regularly and know that, and no some don’t put regular gym rats to shame
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You don't need anabolics to look like that in two years. The guy looks fairly athletic in the 2015 shot. It's not as if he's a complete twig or beanpole.
And that's assuming he's not regaining size he once had.
No he could not look like that without drugs and he is without a doubt on drugs. Can't prove it but I know it.
Again, it's not about his level of muscle mass, it could be the same in both pics for all I know. But the hardness, the skin texture, shoulder area, his face, all scream drugs. Not many drugs but they are there.
You've seen Matt C right? I told him maybe a decade ago that in a certain pic he was on steroids. He denied it then but now said I called it correctly. How could I tell? He is not a monster, his level of muscle mass and his bodyfat level are all achievable naturally. How could I tell? There are signs that go beyond size.
If you've never done anabolics, do a 4 week oral cycle for educational purposes. Something potent like Superdrol. Eat so you neither gain nor lose weight on the scale. Watch what happens to your physique. Works especially well if you're really lean.
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It’s not the size it’s the “look” the “quality” you don’t have to use a lot to get that look if your genetics are pretty decent
Naturals don’t have that “look”
Musclemania is supposedly a natural confederation but the quality and look of the competitors are better than the 70’s and even 80’s bbers who aren’t natural
No one is saying guys are using secret stacks or high dosages but minimal usage with good genetics can transform a physique quickly
Have you ever used gear?
What look? He's tanned; he has a different hairstyle; he let his body hair grow back, and he's bigger.
I doubt that you need steroids to do that in 2 years.
Incidentally, I have never used steroids. Anything I've used, outside of regular food, could be purchased (at the time, at least) at your average card-carrying sports nutrition store (GNC, Vitamin Shoppe, Vitamin World, etc.).
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What look? He's tanned; he has a different hairstyle; he let his body hair grow back, and he's bigger.
I doubt that you need steroids to do that in 2 years.
The look is very much there. For whatever reason you can't see it. His abs are really hypertrophied, he has that saran wrap skin, the muscle just looks hard. Jaw is chizeled. Looks like he aged much more than 2 years.
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The look is very much there. For whatever reason you can't see it. His abs are really hypertrophied, he has that saran wrap skin, the muscle just looks hard. Jaw is chizeled. Looks like he aged much more than 2 years.
Of course his jaw is going to be chiseled, if his bodyfat is that low (So was mine, during my early military days when the Marines were running me into the dirt and making me do zillions of pushups).
Again, I will assume that his transformation is putting on new size, not regaining muscle he once had.
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The look is very much there. For whatever reason you can't see it. His abs are really hypertrophied, he has that saran wrap skin, the muscle just looks hard. Jaw is chizeled. Looks like he aged much more than 2 years.
Same with Stallone he gets that chiseled face and abs puffed and wrapped look,Rambo 2 rocky 4;rocky 3,,,look at original Rambo and tango and cash totally different than those others,and face he loved being his whole life and probably the yrs he had kids he dropped off to get wife pregnant hence less look in certain films.
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Same with Stallone he gets that chiseled face and abs puffed and wrapped look,Rambo 2 rocky 4;rocky 3,,,look at original Rambo and tango and cash totally different than those others,and face he loved being his whole life and probably the yrs he had kids he dropped off to get wife pregnant hence less look in certain films.
Yes Stallone was a tiny tit for Rambo II, way less muscle than for the first Rocky. I think he said he ate a slice of toast a day lol. The way these guys are talking Stallone was natural when he was being trained by Franco :D
But we know the deal, forget the size, it's the look. :D
Of course his jaw is going to be chiseled, if his bodyfat is that low (So was mine, during my early military days when the Marines were running me into the dirt and making me do zillions of pushups).
Again, I will assume that his transformation is putting on new size, not regaining muscle he once had.
I keep harping on this but there is still a difference in how you look when on drugs vs not. It's not just the level of fat on his face, androgens make you temporarily look more masculine, they make you look older. They hypertrophy the small muscles on the skull. In fact, I can often spot a juicer just by seeing their face.
For example, I saw this Swedish politician on TV and was like, "damn this fella's face screams tren." Sure enough, googled and he was a juicer.
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No he could not look like that without drugs and he is without a doubt on drugs. Can't prove it but I know it.
Again, it's not about his level of muscle mass, it could be the same in both pics for all I know. But the hardness, the skin texture, shoulder area, his face, all scream drugs. Not many drugs but they are there.
You've seen Matt C right? I told him maybe a decade ago that in a certain pic he was on steroids. He denied it then but now said I called it correctly. How could I tell? He is not a monster, his level of muscle mass and his bodyfat level are all achievable naturally. How could I tell? There are signs that go beyond size.
If you've never done anabolics, do a 4 week oral cycle for educational purposes. Something potent like Superdrol. Eat so you neither gain nor lose weight on the scale. Watch what happens to your physique. Works especially well if you're really lean.
Even his toupee has androgen receptors.
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Hot stuff was like drinking an Ultimate Orange protein shake.
You're just trying to make me jealous there, Bro
I tried Ultimate Orange one time in 1996. It worked as advertised, but that headache along with my arm going cold and twitching like an out-of-water fish told me that this was not for me.
It took me two months to finish it, as I didn't want to waste my money. But, when I got rid of the very last of it, I chucked that container and vowed never to touch that mess ever again.
I did try some imported/counterfeit Ultimate Orange one time - first time ever imbibing a stim (ephedrine) - I remember feeling panicky and almost ending up with an inverted penis - d1ck like a stack of buttons :P
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Van bilderass dont you agree daddywaddy\johnny falcon was truley natty? Or no? Whats your honest take
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Same with Stallone he gets that chiseled face and abs puffed and wrapped look,Rambo 2 rocky 4;rocky 3,,,look at original Rambo and tango and cash totally different than those others,and face he loved being his whole life and probably the yrs he had kids he dropped off to get wife pregnant hence less look in certain films.
Stallone's not even an issue. Larry Opiela (who was screwing Stallone's ex, Sasha behind his back) told me he was at Stallone's house and saw the steroids in a drawer. They weren't for Sasha. Case closed.
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You've seen Matt C right? I told him maybe a decade ago that in a certain pic he was on steroids. He denied it then but now said I called it correctly. How could I tell? He is not a monster, his level of muscle mass and his bodyfat level are all achievable naturally. How could I tell? There are signs that go beyond size.
;D ;D ;D
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
You called it alright!
Remember how I denied it in 2008, then well over a decade later I publicly admitted that I was lying, and that you called it right? ;D
I think you said the telltale saying was that I had an ordinary physique, but that my delta were almost the size of my head.
As you said, some signs go beyond the obvious ones we see amongst pro bodybuilders.
Good eye, Van!
Next time, I'll wait less than a decade before admitting to you that you were right, and I was lying.
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Stallone's not even an issue. Larry Opiela (who was screwing Stallone's ex, Sasha behind his back) told me he was at Stallone's house and saw the steroids in a drawer. They weren't for Sasha. Case closed.
Didn't Stallone get a huge tattoo of her name on him?
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;D ;D ;D
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
You called it alright!
Remember how I denied it in 2008, then well over a decade later I publicly admitted that I was lying, and that you called it right? ;D
I think you said the telltale saying was that I had an ordinary physique, but that my delta were almost the size of my head.
As you said, some signs go beyond the obvious ones we see amongst pro bodybuilders.
Good eye, Van!
Next time, I'll wait less than a decade before admitting to you that you were right, and I was lying.
Yes I could tell by the delts.
You had/have a physique that could look insane within 6 months of hardcore PED use.
This type of morphing. No reason you couldn't have done similar.
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::) ::) He comes across as ridiculous in that clip. 6'3 - 240 at 52 yo - shredded to the bone. uh huh.
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why is it so hard to believe?
Why, because he deifies the laws of science thats why..
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Coming from Mike who named his son “Titan”
You got to be full of yourself to name your son such a stupid name
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Coming from Mike who named his son “Titan”
You got to be full of yourself to name your son such a stupid name
It’s very normal for men to have their son take their namesake.....
Based on a character they played on a game show.
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If I had a son he`d look like a Titan. LOL ;D
-- Barack Obama
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Didn't Stallone get a huge tattoo of her name on him?
Stallone got a huge tattoo of Sashas name on Larry Opiela?
Very kind of him!
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And the motivation of Ronnie's contemporaries to lie on his behalf (especially once he started beating them) would be what?
Ronnie wasn't exactly a shrimp when he played football at Grambling.
I'll take the words of people who are friends with Ronnie and actually competed against him.
I was at the 1991 nationals, test judging for my "national leve"l npc judging card.
Ronnie took 3rd in the men's hvy wt but was the ONLY one in the top 5 willing to take the drug "piss test".
I personally knew the men who supervised the piss test and can attest to it being legit.
This was done to select the USA team for the old IFBB Mr Universe .
Ronnie passed that urine drug test and was "only" 216 lbs at his ht of 5'11"
He went on to win the amatuet hvy wt worlds that yr and his pro card at a similar wt of 216-217 .
He passed the IFBB piss test again at that Universe.
Within 12 years Ronnie would gain an additional 70 lbs of muscle on his existing fully grown, adult frame.
Obviously as a pro he was juiced to the gills, but considering he was only 217 in the NPC, it's doubtful drugs were a big part of his early years.
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I was at the 1991 nationals, test judging for my "national leve"l npc judging card.
Ronnie took 3rd in the men's hvy wt but was the ONLY one in the top 5 willing to take the drug "piss test".
I personally knew the men who supervised the piss test and can attest to it being legit.
This was done to select the USA team for the old IFBB Mr Universe .
Ronnie passed that urine drug test and was "only" 216 lbs at his ht of 5'11"
He went on to win the amatuet hvy wt worlds that yr and his pro card at a similar wt of 216-217 .
He passed the IFBB piss test again at that Universe.
Within 12 years Ronnie would gain an additional 70 lbs of muscle on his existing fully grown, adult frame.
Obviously as a pro he was juiced to the gills, but considering he was only 217 in the NPC, it's doubtful drugs were a big part of his early years.
You got middle weight competitors weighing “only” 167-176 and they are far from natural
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I was at the 1991 nationals, test judging for my "national leve"l npc judging card.
Ronnie took 3rd in the men's hvy wt but was the ONLY one in the top 5 willing to take the drug "piss test".
I personally knew the men who supervised the piss test and can attest to it being legit.
This was done to select the USA team for the old IFBB Mr Universe .
Ronnie passed that urine drug test and was "only" 216 lbs at his ht of 5'11"
He went on to win the amatuet hvy wt worlds that yr and his pro card at a similar wt of 216-217 .
He passed the IFBB piss test again at that Universe.
Within 12 years Ronnie would gain an additional 70 lbs of muscle on his existing fully grown, adult frame.
Obviously as a pro he was juiced to the gills, but considering he was only 217 in the NPC, it's doubtful drugs were a big part of his early years.
Did you actually lend a hand in helping these athletes? Or were you in the bathroom supervising them to take a piss?
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Stallone got a huge tattoo of Sashas name on Larry Opiela?
Very kind of him!
I would get a tattoo of Sasha on me if Stallone asked me.
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I was at the 1991 nationals, test judging for my "national leve"l npc judging card.
Ronnie took 3rd in the men's hvy wt but was the ONLY one in the top 5 willing to take the drug "piss test".
I personally knew the men who supervised the piss test and can attest to it being legit.
This was done to select the USA team for the old IFBB Mr Universe .
Ronnie passed that urine drug test and was "only" 216 lbs at his ht of 5'11"
He went on to win the amatuet hvy wt worlds that yr and his pro card at a similar wt of 216-217 .
He passed the IFBB piss test again at that Universe.
Within 12 years Ronnie would gain an additional 70 lbs of muscle on his existing fully grown, adult frame.
Obviously as a pro he was juiced to the gills, but considering he was only 217 in the NPC, it's doubtful drugs were a big part of his early years.
This is consistent with the accounts about which I've read from years gone by.
If my memory is correct, back in the day the NPC Nationals was the last pro qualifying show of the year in the United States. So for all the other heavyweights, it's either wait until 1992 or hope Levrone doesn't take the spot at the Universe (which he didn't) and try your luck there.
That is why I asked earlier why would so many bodybuilders in the heavyweight class pass up an opportunity to get a coveted pro card at the Universe, if the drug test were so easy to beat.
A reportedly drug-free Ronnie Coleman at 5'11", 216 lbs, would indeed morph into a ro-beast monster after using anabolics.
Something similar would apply to Kai Greene, whom Chris Aceto stated put on 40 pounds in one year, once he started using steroids, after years of competing in the natural federations.
Greene himself stated (in a "Generation Iron" clip) that it was seductive to see how far he could push himself using anabolics, once he'd already reached the proverbial mountain top in natural bodybuilding. Greene won the WNBF Mr. Universe in 1995, which would lead to the aforementioned article on him in "All-Natural Muscular Development".
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If Mike Hearn is natural then my mother is a virgin...
his guy must think that we are all idiots... If you want to defend your friend, sometimes it's better to shut up than say anything...
He's as natural as his hair lol
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This is consistent with the accounts about which I've read from years gone by.
If my memory is correct, back in the day the NPC Nationals was the last pro qualifying show of the year in the United States. So for all the other heavyweights, it's either wait until 1992 or hope Levrone doesn't take the spot at the Universe (which he didn't) and try your luck there.
That is why I asked earlier why would so many bodybuilders in the heavyweight class pass up an opportunity to get a coveted pro card at the Universe, if the drug test were so easy to beat.
A reportedly drug-free Ronnie Coleman at 5'11", 216 lbs, would indeed morph into a ro-beast monster after using anabolics.
Something similar would apply to Kai Greene, whom Chris Aceto stated put on 40 pounds in one year, once he started using steroids, after years of competing in the natural federations.
Greene himself stated (in a "Generation Iron" clip) that it was seductive to see how far he could push himself using anabolics, once he'd already reached the proverbial mountain top in natural bodybuilding. Greene won the WNBF Mr. Universe in 1995, which would lead to the aforementioned article on him in "All-Natural Muscular Development".
My first show Kai Greene won the overall and he looked clean or close to it. Was 1997 NPC Grand Prix at Lehman in the Bronx.
Ronnie Guest posed and was FNG enormous. Its hard to explain in person just how big he was in person.
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My first show Kai Greene won the overall and he looked clean or close to it. Was 1997 NPC Grand Prix at Lehman in the Bronx.
Ronnie Guest posed and was FNG enormous. Its hard to explain in person just how big he was in person.
You are not in person, you are on a forum..
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You are not in person, you are on a forum..
:D ;D
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Jose always had issues with people believing he turned pro natty. That's probably why he is sticking up for Ohearns natty claims. Also isn't his brother Tito a PT at Golds? Same gym as Ohearn. So maybe another reason.
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This is consistent with the accounts about which I've read from years gone by.
If my memory is correct, back in the day the NPC Nationals was the last pro qualifying show of the year in the United States. So for all the other heavyweights, it's either wait until 1992 or hope Levrone doesn't take the spot at the Universe (which he didn't) and try your luck there.
That is why I asked earlier why would so many bodybuilders in the heavyweight class pass up an opportunity to get a coveted pro card at the Universe, if the drug test were so easy to beat.
A reportedly drug-free Ronnie Coleman at 5'11", 216 lbs, would indeed morph into a ro-beast monster after using anabolics.
Something similar would apply to Kai Greene, whom Chris Aceto stated put on 40 pounds in one year, once he started using steroids, after years of competing in the natural federations.
Greene himself stated (in a "Generation Iron" clip) that it was seductive to see how far he could push himself using anabolics, once he'd already reached the proverbial mountain top in natural bodybuilding. Greene won the WNBF Mr. Universe in 1995, which would lead to the aforementioned article on him in "All-Natural Muscular Development".
If we were to allow for the drug test at the Universe being legit, the reports of Ronnie only doing testosterone as an amateur would allow for easily beating the drug tests of the time. Simply taper off some weeks before. I do not believe Ronnie had not done any steroids as an amateur and people I consider trustworthy have said Ronnie has admitted to having used testosterone.
. OTOH I know it to be fact that corruption has happened in the IFBB so we can't be sure the tests are always legit. I also know that Ronnie having used some steroids early on doesn't mean he he doesn't have alien genetics. He does, everyone knows it. He became Mr O training like an asshole. Very good injury resistance and very good drug tolerance which is genetic. Him tolerating a boring routine, enjoying eating boring food and enjoying pounding his body year in and year out is also genetic. Personality and psychological profile is as important as physical genetics.
I believe all this is a logical conclusion based on everything I know
Same with Kai Greene, him gaining a ton as a pro doesn't mean he was completely natural as an amateur. Bodybuilders know that even if someone is resistant to the idea of using drugs and would like to continue claiming natural it's very hard to resist doing some drugs as a contest is approaching, even if it's just some Winstrol tablets or whatever. And if that someone is also someone who whores himself out to homos...
MCWAY, if you spend time around competitors you start to see patterns. As far as competitors lying, take Lee Priest for example, someone who appears honest and open generally. Lee said he did a shot of Deca a week at 19 and gained 20lbs. Don't you find it just a little suspicious that Lee failed a drug test at 17 at the IFBB worlds, the contest you believe had legit drug tests?! The same freaking drug he claimed to have done his first cycle with?! First he says they fucked him over with a fake drug test and then he goes and does his first cycle with that very same drug
If someone here is a competitor and/or has been around competiros for a long time tell me I'm wrong in my assessment.
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Didn’t Romano take loads of gear just to look like absolute shit and have nipples that werent even on his chest? Why would he believe ohearn can far exceed his results naturally?
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Jose always had issues with people believing he turned pro natty. That's probably why he is sticking up for Ohearns natty claims. Also isn't his brother Tito a PT at Golds? Same gym as Ohearn. So maybe another reason.
Yep, his brother Tito who happens to be a life time natural competing in the nationals where everyone is juiced, and he placed well too. Imagine if he took gear, would have wiped the floor with everyone and turned pro and been top 5 at the Olympia......
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If we were to allow for the drug test at the Universe being legit, the reports of Ronnie only doing testosterone as an amateur would allow for easily beating the drug tests of the time. Simply taper off some weeks before. I do not believe Ronnie had not done any steroids as an amateur and people I consider trustworthy have said Ronnie has admitted to having used testosterone.
. OTOH I know it to be fact that corruption has happened in the IFBB so we can't be sure the tests are always legit. I also know that Ronnie having used some steroids early on doesn't mean he he doesn't have alien genetics. He does, everyone knows it. He became Mr O training like an asshole. Very good injury resistance and very good drug tolerance which is genetic. Him tolerating a boring routine, enjoying eating boring food and enjoying pounding his body year in and year out is also genetic. Personality and psychological profile is as important as physical genetics.
I believe all this is a logical conclusion based on everything I know
Same with Kai Greene, him gaining a ton as a pro doesn't mean he was completely natural as an amateur. Bodybuilders know that even if someone is resistant to the idea of using drugs and would like to continue claiming natural it's very hard to resist doing some drugs as a contest is approaching, even if it's just some Winstrol tablets or whatever. And if that someone is also someone who whores himself out to homos...
MCWAY, if you spend time around competitors you start to see patterns. As far as competitors lying, take Lee Priest for example, someone who appears honest and open generally. Lee said he did a shot of Deca a week at 19 and gained 20lbs. Don't you find it just a little suspicious that Lee failed a drug test at 17 at the IFBB worlds, the contest you believe had legit drug tests?! The same freaking drug he claimed to have done his first cycle with?! First he says they fucked him over with a fake drug test and then he goes and does his first cycle with that very same drug
If someone here is a competitor and/or has been around competiros for a long time tell me I'm wrong in my assessment.
Natural for bbers is lower dosages and maybe not gh or insulin
A little test and few orals and other compounds is considered natural
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Did you actually lend a hand in helping these athletes? Or were you in the bathroom supervising them to take a piss?
They only give you that job after years of proven schmoeing.
I believe that Mayor of BB recently obtained this coveted credential :P
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This is consistent with the accounts about which I've read from years gone by.
If my memory is correct, back in the day the NPC Nationals was the last pro qualifying show of the year in the United States. So for all the other heavyweights, it's either wait until 1992 or hope Levrone doesn't take the spot at the Universe (which he didn't) and try your luck there.
That is why I asked earlier why would so many bodybuilders in the heavyweight class pass up an opportunity to get a coveted pro card at the Universe, if the drug test were so easy to beat.
A reportedly drug-free Ronnie Coleman at 5'11", 216 lbs, would indeed morph into a ro-beast monster after using anabolics.
Something similar would apply to Kai Greene, whom Chris Aceto stated put on 40 pounds in one year, once he started using steroids, after years of competing in the natural federations.
Greene himself stated (in a "Generation Iron" clip) that it was seductive to see how far he could push himself using anabolics, once he'd already reached the proverbial mountain top in natural bodybuilding. Greene won the WNBF Mr. Universe in 1995, which would lead to the aforementioned article on him in "All-Natural Muscular Development".
Good reply.
Look, I don't know Mike O'Hearn too well and only met him in a few, brief interactions at various bodybuilding events over the years.
I don't know or really care if Mike ever used a cycle of juice.
I'm 100% sure that 99.9% of meathedz will never look anything close to Mike , no matter what they take.
For starters, when you stand next to the man, he has a BIG, wide, tall frame that's ideal for bodybuilding.
He's got leading man looks and a natural charisma that sets him apart.
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Didn’t Romano take loads of gear just to look like absolute shit and have nipples that werent even on his chest? Why would he believe ohearn can far exceed his results naturally?
Lol.
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You are not in person, you are on a forum..
;) :D ;D
Ha ha ha. True.
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Natural for bbers is lower dosages
its all about response. some will look incredible on minimal dosages.
one should never exceed
20mg oral
200 mg injectable
if u don't respond to that, don't bother.
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Not a genetic marvel. I'm an ecto, just not a white one. And at 250 lbs "off-season", that was when my goal was to put up 405 on the bench press. That was years ago. And I was hardly obese. My abs were visible.....BARELY (about 3 of them...4 if I flexed really hard ;D ).
With age, I have to keep my weight lower and waist smaller. So, I sit at 216 (as of Monday).
Visible abs at 5'9 250 lbs and you only had 19" arms? Doesn't compute
At 5'9 205 8-9% my arms were 18". I doubt it would have taken me another 50 lbs to gain another inch.
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I don't know
You really don't.
Or is Howard only fucking around like Palumbo and crew? ???
Visible abs at 5'9 250 lbs and you only had 19" arms? Doesn't compute
At 5'9 205 8-9% my arms were 18". I doubt it would have taken me another 50 lbs to gain another inch.
I've seen guys at 30% say they see their abs. What they see is fat rolls that they mistake for "abs." It's like squat or leg press poundages. You have to see the depth before you know what's meant by "squat."
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its all about response. some will look incredible on minimal dosages.
one should never exceed
20mg oral
200 mg injectable
if u don't respond to that, don't bother.
200 test cyp and 20 anavar for me is a game changer. You are correct, that is and should be plenty for most folks.
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To hell with Romano and fuck schmO'Hearn. I'll believe Covid is deadly when they catch it and reach their expiration date. Lying filth mongers.
Two Milk Carton Mongoloids. FTN.
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Jose always had issues with people believing he turned pro natty. That's probably why he is sticking up for Ohearns natty claims. Also isn't his brother Tito a PT at Golds? Same gym as Ohearn. So maybe another reason.
Jose competed and won the TU (2005, as a welterweight). I believe he also competed at the Universe. He has three class wins at the NPC Nationals (lightweight, welterweight, and middleweight).
He was eligible to turn pro before he actually did, similar to Lee Priest's winning the Mr. Australia multiple times.
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Jose competed and won the TU. I believe he also competed at the Universe. He has three class wins at the NPC Nationals (lightweight, welterweight, and middleweight).
He was eligible to turn pro before he actually did, similar to Lee Priest's winning the Mr. Australia multiple times.
Heard Jose has a 5.875 inch cock. Not bad for a Mexican.
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Visible abs at 5'9 250 lbs and you only had 19" arms? Doesn't compute
At 5'9 205 8-9% my arms were 18". I doubt it would have taken me another 50 lbs to gain another inch.
That's because I wasn't (nor did I ever claim to be) at 8 or 9 percent bodyfat at that particular weight.
You really don't.
I've seen guys at 30% say they see their abs. What they see is fat rolls that they mistake for "abs." It's like squat or leg press poundages. You have to see the depth before you know what's meant by "squat."
It depends on where and how you store fat on your body. For example, there are women (including one Latina I've seen at my gym today and every so often) who store fat on their behinds and hips yet have tiny waists.
In my case (being a guy, of course), if I put on too much bodyfat, it goes right to the obliques but not so much to my abs. When I trimmed down and my abs were much more visible, the obliques shrink but are still quite stubborn.
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It depends on where and how you store fat on your body. For example, there are women (including one Latina I've seen at my gym today and every so often) who store fat on their behinds and hips yet have tiny waists.
In my case (being a guy, of course), if I put on too much bodyfat, it goes right to the obliques but not so much to my abs. When I trimmed down and my abs were much more visible, the obliques shrink but are still quite stubborn.
This is true. I have surprisingly thin skin on my abs and obliques but my total bodyfat is high. Big gut too due to visceral fat accumulation. I'm probably over 15% and still have some serratus cuts showing :D
That said, it's true that due to the shape of the abs underneath one can have a lot of bodyfat and it kind of looks like "abs" in a certain light, like the bathroom :D So there's no real standardized way of saying when the abs are showing vs not showing. On other forums a popular topic is "estimate my bodyfat %" based on pics. You get different opinions. Not that fat % matters really, if it looks good it looks good, screw the %-age.
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Heard Jose has a 5.875 inch cock. Not bad for a Mexican.
5.875 inch Mexicock..?
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one can have a lot of bodyfat and it kind of looks like "abs" in a certain light, like the bathroom :D
Your bathroom lighting is probably comparable to "Kamali Kitchen Lighting" :)
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200 test cyp and 20 anavar
if I was gonna run something - that would b it.
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At the 1:11 mark. Palumbo and Romano keep claiming O'Hearn is natural, Romano goes as far as saying that when you see an 8 year old kid piano player prodigy playing better than the rest of the world you don't question his talent, why should it be any different with Mike OHearn if is a natty ?
Why cant he be the Michael Jordan of bodybuilding ? ".
WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I used to watch these Videos too but i realized they are just a bunch of jackasses !
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Where did he admit this Pamela?
Or maybe I got confused, it was Doug Miller who admitted to taking DHEA (therefore not natty)
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He didn't say anything about magical ghetto negroes looking like pro bodybuilders. He said some of them put most gym rats to shame.
Said another way, it's amazing how big some people can get when they aren't being told not to bother screwing on the collars on the barbells to secure those cement plates, unless that vial of Deca or Winstrol is at the ready upon racking the weight.
Isn't keeping size while dieting one of the big edges that anabolic-using bodybuilders have over their natural counterparts?
I've seen reported nattys who look HUGE when at low-double-digit/high-single-digit body fat levels....only to look like crackheads when they get super ripped for shows.
Lift heavy; ingest lots of calories; rest; repeat. And somehow, you get SWOLE.
Do you consider yourself "swole"?
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I'm the only true natty, Mike is not.
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I'm the only true natty, Mike is not.
Hint of abs 2
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Do you consider yourself "swole"?
It depends on what day you catch me. ;D
I never saw any footage of O'Hearn competing back in the 90's. But here is a clip of his Natural Mr. Universe win.
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Coming from Mike who named his son “Titan”
You got to be full of yourself to name your son such a stupid name
Speak of the devil, here's a clip of O'Hearn with his little bundle of joy.
And it fits the pattern I mentioned earlier of these guys looking HUGE at guest-posings and off-season, only to look like emaciated crackheads when competing.
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Speak of the devil, here's a clip of O'Hearn with his little bundle of joy.
And it fits the pattern I mentioned earlier of these guys looking HUGE at guest-posings and off-season, only to look like emaciated crackheads when competing.
Natural as his wife's tits. ;D
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And it fits the pattern I mentioned earlier of these guys looking HUGE at guest-posings and off-season, only to look like emaciated crackheads when competing.
You mean he was so much smaller in the 90s and would get as "small" now if he dieted down? No, he is bigger now due to 2.5 decades of GH at escalating doses. Insulin has been in the picture as well. And the gear doses have obviously increased. One drug that really affected the look after the early 90s is trenbolone acetate and Mike O'Tren is no stranger to it.
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It’s common sense and science lol you cannot get bigger and leaner as you age, certainly not someone who is in their early 50’s, without the use of steroids. Simply does not happen no matter how good your genetics are
Laughable anyone would believe this nonsense
You mean to tell me a natural human being like Mike is producing more testosterone in his body in his 50’s then he did in his 20’s, 30’s, naturally, hahaha
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It’s common sense and science lol you cannot get bigger and leaner as you age, certainly not someone who is in their early 50’s, without the use of steroids. Simply does not happen no matter how good your genetics are, cannot be done 100 percent natural
Laughable anyone would believe this nonsense
You mean to tell me a natural human being like Mike is producing more testosterone in his body in his 50’s then he did in his 20’s, 30’s, naturally, hahaha
All your arguments are based on logic and common sense yet some still refuse to believe. To me, the interesting question is not why or does Mike lie but why on earth does anybody even remotely involved in bbing would think he is natural. They believe this not based on any evidence so the only other alternative is that they believe this because they want to. It's an emotional response. But why would they want to believe so rabidly that Mike is natural? What's the motive?
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All your arguments are based on logic and common sense yet some still refuse to believe. To me, the interesting question is not why or does Mike lie but why on earth does anybody even remotely involved in bbing would think he is natural. They believe this not based on any evidence so the only other alternative is that they believe this because they want to. It's an emotional response. But why would they want to believe so rabidly that Mike is natural? What's the motive?
That’s the million dollar question. I don’t dislike Mike, he’s got an exceptional physique, trains hard, consistently, for decades. Like I’ve posted this a bunch of times, think about it, Mike has had plastic surgery/Botox, hair pieces/hair transplants, he certainly is very meticulous with his looks which he should be given that’s what’s making him money. That being said a man on that kind of level for decades and goes to the extent of keeping himself young, to the point of obsession, but decides to forgo steroids and gh, things that , arguably, besides diet and training, has the most impact and beneficial effects on a man his age
You don’t produce more testosterone as you age and get bigger and leaner either, he cannot defy science, that’s where the lies begin and for the people believing this sort of thing I have the same question, why?
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You mean he was so much smaller in the 90s and would get as "small" now if he dieted down? No, he is bigger now due to 2.5 decades of GH at escalating doses. Insulin has been in the picture as well. And the gear doses have obviously increased. One drug that really affected the look after the early 90s is trenbolone acetate and Mike O'Tren is no stranger to it.
No, I'm not comparing him to the way he looked in the 90s (after 25 years or so, you'd think he get a little bigger). I'm referring to his off-season look vs. contest look. I've noticed that with other guys who compete in natural federations, especially the heavyweights.
They look much better at high-single-digit or low-double-digit body fat levels. Contest time, they look emaciated and all too often, they get beat by some symmetrical smurf.
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No, I'm not comparing him to the way he looked in the 90s (after 25 years or so, you'd think he get a little bigger). I'm referring to his off-season look vs. contest look. I've noticed that with other guys who compete in natural federations, especially the heavyweights.
They look much better at high-single-digit or low-double-digit body fat levels. Contest time, they look emaciated and all too often, they get beat by some symmetrical smurf.
Personally I think Mike looked absolutely fantastic at that show. There is a crisp quality to the muscle/skin that is somewhat unrelated to the degree of leanness. Compare Levrone in 92 vs to later Levrone. Levrone put the difference down to GH, he said he was unable to capture that look again and it was all due to GH. Others have noted this as well, many have said they were so much more "cut" back in the day. But in fact they used to be much fatter.
It is also true that less steroids can lend to a much more crisp look. The so-called naturals and even the true naturals have a quality to their look that juiced bbers can't capture. Perhaps it's partly due to less water. All steroids cause water retention. This doesn't mean Mike was a lifetime natural at that show, he just wasn't on as many drugs. I was at a show a long time ago and a certain competitor stood out, he was small but he had a crsip quality to his look unlike anyone else and I said to my friends, including an IFBB pro, that this guy is close to natural, he looked amazing but of course didn't place well. They were like wtf is this guy talking about? :D
If you look at Mike off-season at that time he wasn't anything like "off-season" now. He was small and looked less saturated = less drugs. Even you have to admit that it's very strange the amount of muscle he put on decades later if he was supposedly natural all along, it's just not possible without a lot of drugs. Not a little, a considerable amount. A looong time on GH.
First I saw of Mike was some deadlifting pics at Gold's Venice, some "monstrous" 700lbs IIRC on sumos in a deadlifting suit. Can't locate them now.
No delts = nachuralo, little drugs. Later on, come on, man :D
No natural has a jacked delt/trap complex, just doesn't happen. Even on something like rear delts specifically you can immediately see if someone might legitimately be natural.
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Delts are a good indicator of how many drugs someone is on currently. Forget the bodyweight.
Some slightly different looks.
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My god, some of you motherfckers are retarded.
How many of you drive around by yourself wearing a mask? How many of you buy testosterone booster from GNC? How many of you search the internet looking for the original Met-Rx... the one with clenbuterol in it?
Idiots.
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O'hearn at 17ish, #275 -
(https://external-preview.redd.it/-fVyV_CoI52NHgpmL53nymK0AbcQVF2NkYvd8LoaYp4.jpg?auto=webp&s=2294f63a6ddc8c6510228a6f87130faac33820bf).
Arnold at 19 -
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=528496.0;attach=597295;image).
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O'hearn at 17ish, #275 -
(https://external-preview.redd.it/-fVyV_CoI52NHgpmL53nymK0AbcQVF2NkYvd8LoaYp4.jpg?auto=webp&s=2294f63a6ddc8c6510228a6f87130faac33820bf).
Arnold at 19 -
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=528496.0;attach=597295;image).
Don't you know, O'Hearn has been hitting the sauce since pee-wee league, right after downing his bowl of Fruity Pebbles.
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Don't you know, O'Hearn has been hitting the sauce since pee-wee league, right after downing his bowl of Fruity Pebbles.
Arnold started Dianabol at 13 according to his then trainer. More conservative estmates say 15-17. But O'Hearn absolutely could not have been exposed young, in the land where Dianabol was actually developed and where Joe The Coach got a prescription from an actual physician for Dianabol and Deca at 15? Where high school kids have been known to juice for how long? :D
I'm not saying I know when Mike started. I'm not saying he doesn't have top-of-the-line genetics. He does. Naturally big and strong, no doubt. But to say no kids are exposed or that they wouldn't take them is naive in the extreme. My brother took Dianabol at 13 and had no interest in lifting, was never in a gym. :D
I believe tommy knows Mike personally. Read between the lines.
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Mike O'hearn pulls sumo, sumo pullers are cheaters, cheaters use drugs -
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Where can I post a close up photo of the empty nut sack of O'Hearn tagging Romano,Palumbo, Priest and Raymond with a huge IMBECILES caption on top ?
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH TA NA KA
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Where can I post a close up photo of the empty nut sack of O'Hearn tagging Romano,Palumbo, Priest and Raymond with a huge IMBECILES caption on top ?
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH TA NA KA
Could be glandular like we are taught to say about fat women.
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There are plenty of questions to ask Romano now, with O Hearn displaying a minuscule nut sack, but who really cares what Romano has to say...
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Romano , Palumbo, and Priest have really soiled themselves over this pathetic episode.
Ridiculous the lengths these idiots go to defend him. Maybe O'Hearn has G4P photos of them all as ransom.
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"Mike O'Hearn's sack is the size of a zit, you know he's full of shit."
(https://vz.cnwimg.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Johnnie-Cochran.jpg).
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Romano , Palumbo, and Priest have really soiled themselves over this pathetic episode.
Ridiculous the lengths these idiots go to defend him. Maybe O'Hearn has G4P photos of them all as ransom.
Their credibility is a bit circling around being on low dose or clean... it's all about the flow of money & gullible fans.
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Their credibility is a bit circling around being on low dose or clean... it's all about the flow of money & gullible fans.
Its hard listening to these guys on any topics when they are so clearly lying and shilling for this fraudulent situation.
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I'm surprised anyone gives them credibility.
Palumbo used to sell fake Gh to people.
Romano has always been full of shit.
Priest has an IQ of maybe 80-85.
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I'm surprised anyone gives them credibility.
Palumbo used to sell fake Gh to people.
Romano has always been full of shit.
Priest has an IQ of maybe 80-85.
Aceto is the best thing going on RX. Dave is actually ok when he isn't in the midst of retards. Namely Romano, Priest, Valentino, Jimmy the douche, etc.
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Aceto is the best thing going on RX. Dave is actually ok when he isn't in the midst of retards. Namely Romano, Priest, Valentino, Jimmy the douche, etc.
That’s one too many douche retards
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I'm surprised anyone gives them credibility.
Palumbo used to sell fake Gh to people.
Romano has always been full of shit.
Priest has an IQ of maybe 80-85.
Because they started to have "credibility " among gullible people when Social media took off .... not many millennials are aware that Palumbo did time for selling fake GH and is nothing but a Palumboism experiment giving advices ... same goes for Romano and Priest they were two clowns banned from decent bodybuilding media ..... to their fortune; every decent bodybuilding publication media oulet has died .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHH the nut sack is empty .... I want my money back !
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Speaking of Priest
He keeps bragging on social media that no one trained as heavy as he did
yet he says that everyone uses more roids than him .
Typical full of shit meathead
Woooossshhhhh The results are in ! nothing in the sack !
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That’s one too many douche retards
True. Revision: Aceto is the only good thing going at RX.
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I can't watch any of Dave's content that includes Lee Priest. Lee tries way too hard to be funny.
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I never thought I'd say this, but Valentino is the best of the bunch. He needs Dave to keep him on track, but he's the most likeable of that crew. I can handle Jimmy the Bull, and a tiny bit of Romano. Aceto is fine, but dry.
The whole crew together is ear cancer though. Palumbo and 1 or 2 guests at most is best.
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I never thought I'd say this, but Valentino is the best of the bunch. He needs Dave to keep him on track, but he's the most likeable of that crew. I can handle Jimmy the Bull, and a tiny bit of Romano. Aceto is fine, but dry.
The whole crew together is ear cancer though. Palumbo and 1 or 2 guests at most is best.
Great post. I find that Palumbo tends to engage in circles jerks a lot. He will criticize some competitors, while telling others who live in shacks that they should get paid more Dave doesn't seem to understand that pro payment is based on market value, and how much money they generate.
RxMuscle Programs are a bit of a circle jerk. That aside, Dave does work hard and churn out good content on a regular basis.
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Because they started to have "credibility " among gullible people when Social media took off .... not many millennials are aware that Palumbo did time for selling fake GH and is nothing but a Palumboism experiment giving advices ... same goes for Romano and Priest they were two clowns banned from decent bodybuilding media ..... to their fortune; every decent bodybuilding publication media oulet has died .
You are exactly right.
In this "industry" i guess they are the shining stars that are still around. ;D
Palumbo says some good things, but the constant lying about drugs and other aspects of the "industry" is just retarded.
Anyone who has actually been around BBing for more than 10 years knows it's a freak show.
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You are exactly right.
In this "industry" i guess they are the shining stars that are still around. ;D
Palumbo says some good things, but the constant lying about drugs and other aspects of the "industry" is just retarded.
Anyone who has actually been around BBing for more than 10 years knows it's a freak show.
Palumbo biggest lie is telling people that the gh gut is the result of over eating and not drugs.
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Palumbo biggest lie is telling people that the gh gut is the result of over eating and not drugs.
He is sort of right. The drugs make it all worse but the way Palumbo ate at his biggest is a nightmare, it's impossible to eat like that and not have a gut, drugs or no drugs. Even something like the liver will grow from just overeating, add the drugs and it gets even worse.
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Palumbo biggest lie is telling people that the gh gut is the result of over eating and not drugs.
Based on Palumbo's theory, these guys below should weigh 1000 pounds, lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeru_Kobayashi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeru_Kobayashi)
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Palumbo biggest lie is telling people that the gh gut is the result of over eating and not drugs.
Well, it is a fact that many people who use HGH at high doses do not have a big gut. I use to work with a guy who had HIV/AIDS and he took like 15 ius plus every day for years and was still skinny. There are no, or few, people who consistently overeat, and I mean putting away an enormous amount of food, for years that don't have a big gut. They are all fat.
I can't see how HGH alone causes the stomach organ to just grow and expand due to HGH.
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Based on Palumbo's theory, these guys below should weigh 1000 pounds, lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeru_Kobayashi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeru_Kobayashi)
But these competitive eaters are not consistently consuming 5,000+ calories a day. Don't think that the way they eat in competition is how they are eating every day.
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Mike is natty.
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But these competitive eaters are not consistently consuming 5,000+ calories a day. Don't think that the way they eat in competition is how they are eating every day.
That's true, they only eat massive amounts of food when preparing for a contest.
There is a 100 pound Taiwanese girl in California that destroys almost all the contests she enters. It is absolutely insane how fast she eats.
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Fun little paper on competitive eating, water loading, and the haps and hazards of training for it -
https://www.ajronline.org/doi/10.2214/AJR.07.2342 .
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Fun little paper on competitive eating, water loading, and the haps and hazards of training for it -
https://www.ajronline.org/doi/10.2214/AJR.07.2342 .
GTFOH - I always assumed these guys purged afterwards - I had no idea they digested the stuff ::)
"He did indicate, however, that his abdomen usually became flat again over a period of several days after a speed-eating competition (during which time he ate nothing) without any regurgitation of the ingested food items, so we assume his stomach gradually emptied its contents and returned to its original size during this period"
"The speed eater then began consuming hot dogs two at a time to facilitate rapid ingestion. It was truly remarkable how quickly he downed each pair of hot dogs without any noticeable letup during the test" ;D
Great read - thanks for posting, BB
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He is sort of right. The drugs make it all worse but the way Palumbo ate at his biggest is a nightmare, it's impossible to eat like that and not have a gut, drugs or no drugs. Even something like the liver will grow from just overeating, add the drugs and it gets even worse.
That's like saying no a single bodybuilder ate like a pig before the "insuling GH gut era" ,,,, lol
In reality there were tons of guys that ate like pigs during the 80's in off season yet on stage not a single gut ...
Now you have Bodybuilders doing cardio (twice as much as the old school dudes) , yet the one that control the gut the longest on stage gets to win a show lol ....even Dexter who started out as an bantam tiny tit developed a disgraced gut .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H PALUMBOISM
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Dec is perfecting the dadbod gut to get the young ladies son !
That's like saying no a single bodybuilder ate like a pig before the "insuling GH gut era" ,,,, lol
In reality there were tons of guys that ate like pig during the 80's in off season yet on stage not a single gut ...
Now you have Bodybuilders doing cardio (twice as much as the old school dudes) , yet the one that control the gut the longest on stage gets to win a show lol ....even Dexter who started out as an bantam tiny tit developed a disgraced gut .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H PALUMBOISM
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I'm surprised anyone gives them credibility.
Palumbo used to sell fake Gh to people.
Romano has always been full of shit.
Priest has an IQ of maybe 80-85.
Lee Priest is a Fkn a$$ clown. We call them ‘bogans’ or ‘knuckledraggers’ in Australia.
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That's like saying no a single bodybuilder ate like a pig before the "insuling GH gut era" ,,,, lol
In reality there were tons of guys that ate like pigs during the 80's in off season yet on stage not a single gut ...
Now you have Bodybuilders doing cardio (twice as much as the old school dudes) , yet the one that control the gut the longest on stage gets to win a show lol ....even Dexter who started out as an bantam tiny tit developed a disgraced gut .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H PALUMBOISM
No way guys in the 70s-80s ate like they do today. This is proven just by how much they weigh. Arnold at 6'2" topped off at 250 lbs in the off season. Ferrigno at 6'5" was 265 onstage in 1975. Nowadays guys under six feet are routinely 300 pounds plus in the off season and over 250 on stage. Even a 5'9" Phil Heath, who is not known as a mass monster, tips the scale around 250 lbs on stage.
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No way guys in the 70s-80s ate like they do today. This is proven just by how much they weigh. Arnold at 6'2" topped off at 250 lbs in the off season. Ferrigno at 6'5" was 265 onstage in 1975. Nowadays guys under six feet are routinely 300 pounds plus in the off season and over 250 on stage. Even a 5'9" Phil Heath, who is not known as a mass monster, tips the scale around 250 lbs on stage.
Actually off season back then guys wouldn’t even lift much, and slimmed down. Arnold looked 200 tops off season, maybe 210 max
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Actually off season back then guys wouldn’t even lift much, and slimmed down. Arnold looked 200 tops off season, maybe 210 max
Actually, I think Arnold did that once he became king and knew that there wasn't anybody that was a threat to him and he began to grow out of being. I think up until 1974, certainly when he first came to this country and was trying to make a name for himself. He was, like most of us, training year-round trying to advance. Once Sergio was out of the picture there really wasn't anybody left.
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That's like saying no a single bodybuilder ate like a pig before the "insuling GH gut era" ,,,, lol
In reality there were tons of guys that ate like pigs during the 80's in off season yet on stage not a single gut ...
If they did eat as much back then they would have weighed the same but they did not. They would've had a higher bf percentage, on account of the lack of GH and perhaps other nutrient partitioning drugs, but they would've weighed approximately the same. The pros didn't used to weigh 315 when off like Palumbo or 330+ or whatever Ronnie weighed at his largest.
They didn't eat 12 ounces of meat 6 times a day for years on end.
The drugs definitely contribute though. Visceral fat accumulation, some organ growth, just general water retention, which can further swell the stomach, leading to higher chance of diastasis, herniated stomach walls.
A couple of decades back Chad made a smart observation. He said the pros with the worst guts are those with short waists. Makes sense, there is less space.
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Romano hasn't changed his mind .....
Or have you now?
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Romano hasn't changed his mind .....
Or have you now?
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Someone needs to post Romano the shrivelled balls shots
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Someone needs to post Romano the shrivelled balls shots
Those leaks pretty much confirmed two things.
1. Bevo was right
2. Mike is juicing to high heaven
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Those leaks pretty much confirmed two things.
1. Bevo was right
2. Mike is juicing to high heaven
Also - Mike fits a medium sock