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who gives a fuck what scripture says about anything. if you have found some wisdom in scripture, then put it into your own words and describe that wisdom to us all. then we can talk about its validity and worth in rational terms. simply saying "because i told you so" (because scripture says its so) isnt any argument at all. nor is it grounds for a belief.
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Then your knowledge of God comes from your own whims and desires, your own opinions and your own man made assumptions.
It's like you saying you don't need prophets or messengers. Or whatever they did, said, you don't care.
The thing is, determining which and what of the scriptures is truthful and which is not. It is one of the things that made me leave christianity and embrace islam. I studied various religions of the world including their scriptures. Heck even hinduism (did you know they actually believe ultimately there is only one God? But that the brahman priests ultimately created the caste system, idolatry amongst other things to control people).
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^^^^ ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
ahmed, if i ever meet you in real life, im going to start spitting out some wise quotes to you about free will, love, morality, and eternity.. and then im going to tell you that i am heaven sent and the holy messenger of god and that you must dedicate your life to my service because it is gods will
... based on your belief in scriptures, i have absolutely no doubt youll believe what i tell you and convert to "tbombzism" and start spreading my word. because afterall, if you hear some wise shit somewhere and the source of it claims to be divine, then that shit is divine bro!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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^^^^ ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
ahmed, if i ever meet you in real life, im going to start spitting out some wise quotes to you about free will, love, morality, and eternity.. and then im going to tell you that i am heaven sent and the holy messenger of god and that you must dedicate your life to my service because it is gods will
... based on your belief in scriptures, i have absolutely no doubt youll believe what i tell you and convert to "tbombzism" and start spreading my word. because afterall, if you hear some wise shit somewhere and the source of it claims to be divine, then that shit is divine bro!!!! ;D ;D ;D
shows just how brutally elementary your understanding is of why we believe what we do
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LOL
1) generations upon generations have all believed - what better proof is there than that ? (consensus)
2) when i read the words on the pages my heart grows warm and they speak directly to my soul
3) i have had experiences in my life that were far too profound to be merely coincidence and i take them as proof of god
^^^ those three reason form pretty much the bulk of the reasoning for why people believe in scriptures.
and they are absolutely horrible reasons for doing so.
(although they are all fairly good reasons for assuming that a god of some kind does truly exist..)
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who gives a fuck what scripture says about anything. if you have found some wisdom in scripture, then put it into your own words and describe that wisdom to us all. then we can talk about its validity and worth in rational terms. simply saying "because i told you so" (because scripture says its so) isnt any argument at all. nor is it grounds for a belief.
For a Christian it's the Holy Spirit being made manifest and tangible in their life that brings so much life to the scripture; hence we refer to the bible as "the living word".
We don't "become our own God" or "become our own truth".....we allow God to be God and truth.
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For a Christian it's the Holy Spirit being made manifest and tangible in their life that brings so much life to the scripture; hence we refer to the bible as "the living word".
We don't "become our own God" or "become our own truth".....we allow God to be God and truth.
stop with the rhetoric and explain yourself in non-religious terms. to me what you are saying is that certain life events are so profound and spiritually meaningful to be merely coincidence and you take these experiences to be proof of scripture. what i am saying is that while those experiences may be very real and are certainly an indication that god probably exists, they are in no way an indication that scripture is divine in nature. even if the experience relates to something you read in the bible in a direct way, that only means that whoever wrote the bible was also a child of god and able to come to wise conclusions.. it means nothing about divine nature of the bible.
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stop with the rhetoric and explain yourself in non-religious terms. to me what you are saying is that certain life events are so profound and spiritually meaningful to be merely coincidence and you take these experiences to be proof of scripture. what i am saying is that while those experiences may be very real and are certainly an indication that god probably exists, they are in no way an indication that scripture is divine in nature. even if the experience relates to something you read in the bible in a direct way, that only means that whoever wrote the bible was also a child of god and able to come to wise conclusions.. it means nothing about divine nature of the bible.
Maybe it would be better if you tell me which religious terms from my post above are giving you problems.
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its whatever man. i just told you exactly what you were talking about and broke it down for you so you could see what was going on and why you are wrong to take it as proof of the bible being divine. if it hasnt hit you yet, it will hit you eventually. maybe not untill after your dead and you find out the hard way and realize you could have known a long time before if you would have been receptive to it.
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^^^^ ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
ahmed, if i ever meet you in real life, im going to start spitting out some wise quotes to you about free will, love, morality, and eternity.. and then im going to tell you that i am heaven sent and the holy messenger of god and that you must dedicate your life to my service because it is gods will
... based on your belief in scriptures, i have absolutely no doubt youll believe what i tell you and convert to "tbombzism" and start spreading my word. because afterall, if you hear some wise shit somewhere and the source of it claims to be divine, then that shit is divine bro!!!! ;D ;D ;D
I lol'd. Seriously though, the problem with the holy books is that they're written by men, and therefore are all suspect.
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its whatever man. i just told you exactly what you were talking about and broke it down for you so you could see what was going on and why you are wrong to take it as proof of the bible being divine. if it hasnt hit you yet, it will hit you eventually. maybe not untill after your dead and you find out the hard way and realize you could have known a long time before if you would have been receptive to it.
Well, I am willing to die for my beliefs......guess I'll just have to learn the hard way. Although, what you posted previously actually affirms the divine authority and nature of scripture.
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I lol'd. Seriously though, the problem with the holy books is that they're written by men, and therefore are all suspect.
+1
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Well, I am willing to die for my beliefs......guess I'll just have to learn the hard way. Although, what you posted previously actually affirms the divine authority and nature of scripture.
no it doesnt! anytime you hear anything beautiful and true your heart grows warm, this is true whether the truth comes from the mouth of a homeless man or from a book called the bible! events of spiritual growth and significance that cant be merely coincidence do not speak to the truth of scripture but to the truth of god! god and scripture are two different things! one was created by man, the other created man! guess which is which! LOL
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read it !!!!
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1) generations upon generations have all believed - what better proof is there than that ? (consensus)
2) when i read the words on the pages my heart grows warm and they speak directly to my soul
3) i have had experiences in my life that were far too profound to be merely coincidence and i take them as proof of god
^^^ those three reason form pretty much the bulk of the reasoning for why people believe in scriptures.
and they are absolutely horrible reasons for doing so.
(although they are all fairly good reasons for assuming that a god of some kind does truly exist..)
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Then your knowledge of God comes from your own whims and desires, your own opinions and your own man made assumptions.
It's like you saying you don't need prophets or messengers. Or whatever they did, said, you don't care.
The thing is, determining which and what of the scriptures is truthful and which is not. It is one of the things that made me leave christianity and embrace islam. I studied various religions of the world including their scriptures. Heck even hinduism (did you know they actually believe ultimately there is only one God? But that the brahman priests ultimately created the caste system, idolatry amongst other things to control people).
Yeah take that! Muslims prefer take advice from a pedo who was a prophet without a prophecy! who preached hatred, violence and war. Fuck Yeah! Who the hell thinks we need prophets or messengers? WTF If you weren't being so serious, the things you believe are incredibly funny to people who don't suffer from delusion.
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no it doesnt! anytime you hear anything beautiful and true your heart grows warm, this is true whether the truth comes from the mouth of a homeless man or from a book called the bible! events of spiritual growth and significance that cant be merely coincidence do not speak to the truth of scripture but to the truth of god! god and scripture are two different things! one was created by man, the other created man! guess which is which! LOL
I understand you think you have the mechanics and philosophy all worked out, but you're missing the actual experience itself that gives the true perspective. I also understand that you don't think you need the actual experience to understand exactly what's happening either. I also understand that your combination of logical rationale and an "air tight" argument dismiss the validity of simple "emotional appeals". I also understand that you don't see the connection between the personal experience and the affirmation of the bible being the divine, living word of God. I've seen time and again as atheists and agnostics reduce or dismiss completely legitimate, life-altering experiences with a wave of the philosophical wand and a dash of blind arrogance.
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I understand you think you have the mechanics and philosophy all worked out, but you're missing the actual experience itself that gives the true perspective. I also understand that you don't think you need the actual experience to understand exactly what's happening either. I also understand that your combination of logical rationale and an "air tight" argument dismiss the validity of simple "emotional appeals". I also understand that you don't see the connection between the personal experience and the affirmation of the bible being the divine, living word of God. I've seen time and again as atheists and agnostics reduce or dismiss completely legitimate, life-altering experiences with a wave of the philosophical wand and a dash of blind arrogance.
your extremely arrogant to assume i havent experienced what i speak about. your also very foolish to think that i could know about those experiences without having experienced them myself. there are portions of the bible that when i read my entire body fills with warmth, tears come to my eyes, and i see the profound truth in the message. mainly the parts about what jesus supposedly said. there have been many events in my life that have been extremely profound and personal that undoubtedly were the work of the universe speaking to me in a personal way to teach me a life lesson that is invaluable and proof of a divine being guiding my life and teaching me. my own father believes in the bible and i only see one method of finding truth that is more logical than historical consensus and thus see a very strong argument for believin in scripture based upon that.
take that into consideration and then go back and read what i have wrote previously in this thread and others. dont be a fool.
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your extremely arrogant to assume i havent experienced what i speak about. your also very foolish to think that i could know about those experiences without having experienced them myself. there are portions of the bible that when i read my entire body fills with warmth, tears come to my eyes, and i see the profound truth in the message. mainly the parts about what jesus supposedly said. there have been many events in my life that have been extremely profound and personal that undoubtedly were the work of the universe speaking to me in a personal way to teach me a life lesson that is invaluable and proof of a divine being guiding my life and teaching me. my own father believes in the bible and i only see one method of finding truth that is more logical than historical consensus and thus see a very strong argument for believin in scripture based upon that.
take that into consideration and then go back and read what i have wrote previously in this thread and others. dont be a fool.
One thing I am not is extremely arrogant; unfortunately, I am misled from time to time. Now, the vast majority of these threads are often nonbelievers speaking to believers. In some instances, you have a nonbeliever making bold assertions about how a believer (typically a Christian) truly "interacts" with their "flying spaghetti monster of choice". More generically, when speaking of emotional appeals by the believer, the nonbeliever will rationalize away and/or define what the experience was and wasn't while having no personal experience or perspective whatsoever with which to make such assertions. Typically it's a casual dismissal of the experience with nonchalant handwaving.
In this instance we have some form of believer (not necessarily an agnostic) that has opted for more of a "bait and switch" type approach (at least that's how it appears to me at first blush). Now admittedly, I do recall other instances outside of this board in which you have indicated some form of belief in a deity so I apologize that I have forgotten that. Still, based on this thread, you believe in some form of divine guidance in your life, but you're uncertain of what that is? You love the gospels and Christ's words, but I'm assuming then that you don't belief Christ is divine? Still, you acknowledge a believer's personal, tangible experiences with the divine as genuine, but you don't acknowledge the experience as validation for the divine nature of scripture. Simply put, I won't be able to convince you otherwise. My opinion, you need to reconcile who/what that divine being is first? Do you belief that Christ is divine...the Son of God? If you don't, we have a fundamental disconnect.
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God is not a man that he is tempted by the devil his own creation
God is not a man that he is in the womb of a woman and born
God is not a man that he eats, pees, poos and sleeps.
God is not a man that he prays to 'himself'
God is not a man that he says he doesn't know something
God is not a man that he changes his mind or deceives or does not fulfill promises
Jesus (pbuh) is a man :)
People run away from christianity not because it offers 'do whatever you want you are saved' but because it is irrational blind faith.
Faith without rational or intellect is blind faith.
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God is not a man that he is tempted by the devil his own creation
God is not a man that he is in the womb of a woman and born
God is not a man that he eats, pees, poos and sleeps.
God is not a man that he prays to 'himself'
God is not a man that he says he doesn't know something
God is not a man that he changes his mind or deceives or does not fulfill promises
Jesus (pbuh) is a man :)
People run away from christianity not because it offers 'do whatever you want you are saved' but because it is irrational blind faith.
Faith without rational or intellect is blind faith.
Mohammed was a misogynistic pedophile murderer. Islam is for idiots that do what they desire and claim some false deity called "allah" (no pbuh) can't see them in their special room where they commit all manner of perverse debauchery because they are weaklings.
By the way, this whole "pbuh" crap is a fairly recent piece of work designed to make you perverts seem somehow "reverent" and full of faith.
No wonder some people mistake "faith" for poop. You are full of it alright.
Here to help.
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One thing I am not is extremely arrogant; unfortunately, I am misled from time to time. Now, the vast majority of these threads are often nonbelievers speaking to believers. In some instances, you have a nonbeliever making bold assertions about how a believer (typically a Christian) truly "interacts" with their "flying spaghetti monster of choice". More generically, when speaking of emotional appeals by the believer, the nonbeliever will rationalize away and/or define what the experience was and wasn't while having no personal experience or perspective whatsoever with which to make such assertions. Typically it's a casual dismissal of the experience with nonchalant handwaving.
In this instance we have some form of believer (not necessarily an agnostic) that has opted for more of a "bait and switch" type approach (at least that's how it appears to me at first blush). Now admittedly, I do recall other instances outside of this board in which you have indicated some form of belief in a deity so I apologize that I have forgotten that. Still, based on this thread, you believe in some form of divine guidance in your life, but you're uncertain of what that is? You love the gospels and Christ's words, but I'm assuming then that you don't belief Christ is divine? Still, you acknowledge a believer's personal, tangible experiences with the divine as genuine, but you don't acknowledge the experience as validation for the divine nature of scripture. Simply put, I won't be able to convince you otherwise. My opinion, you need to reconcile who/what that divine being is first? Do you belief that Christ is divine...the Son of God? If you don't, we have a fundamental disconnect.
i hope you read this entire post
why are you connecting "personal, tangible experiences with the divine" with "validation for the divine nature of scripture" ??
thats the issue!!!!
do i "believe in god"?? depends on what you mean by "believe"!! because absolutely NO ONE knows if God exists or not. but i THINK god does exist.
do i love the gospels and the story of christ? no. i find the supposed teachings and life of christ to be extremely beautiful and certainly an image of God's will if there ever was one. however, the gospels are filled with horseshit (and a little wisdom here and there).
now, do i think christ is divine and the son of god? how can i even answer that when i have no idea if the man ever even actually existed!!! do you realize how dishonest it is for a person to claim such knowledge when they never even met the guy?!?!
now, when it comes to personal experiences that solidify a "belief" in God.. these are strong evidence.. BUT NOT "PROOF"! by the very nature of these experiences they are fleeting, leaving one uncertain of whether they were actually real or just imagined. you need to examine that fact and think about the nature of the god which would come to you in such a manner. would that god want you to know for certain of his existence, if when he comes to you in comes in such a form? think about it. !!!!!!
when it comes to reading the scriptures, and having personal experiences that relate to words in those books, and taking those experiences as proof of their divine nature... NO NO NO NO NO!!!.. you see.. if wisdom exists.. then when you hear it.. when you understand it.. you will recieve it as such. this is true whether it comes from the mouth of god or from the homeless guy down on the street corner. just because you read some wisdom in the scripture and then later have a divine experience which confirms the wisdom you found in the scripture, does not mean the scripture is divine but only that wisdom can be found in the scripture!!! do you see the difference!!??!!??!!??
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God is not a man that he is tempted by the devil his own creation
God is not a man that he is in the womb of a woman and born
God is not a man that he eats, pees, poos and sleeps.
God is not a man that he prays to 'himself'
God is not a man that he says he doesn't know something
God is not a man that he changes his mind or deceives or does not fulfill promises
Jesus (pbuh) is a man :)
People run away from christianity not because it offers 'do whatever you want you are saved' but because it is irrational blind faith.
Faith without rational or intellect is blind faith.
Islam is blind faith as well- beleiving an opportunist who convinced his foolish followers that he spoke to god in a cave. Hmm....nothing suspicious about that.
God is mans creation to comfort him during those cold nights. SOrt of like santa claus. Be good or no gifts for you. Children outgrow such fairy tales upon reaching adulthood. Then again. Achmet is still a child clinging to his false santa.
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God is mans creation to comfort him during those cold nights.
that idea resides only in shallow minds ;)
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Actually I denounced santa clause and the easter bunny early on in life :)
I denounce all false deities, but I do not denounce God almighty.
What does life resort to? Believing that all this and ourselves are an accident and coincidence, as atheists preach that we come from monkies that come from rodents, that come from sea creatures that come from chemical accidents that come from a big accident over billions of years. Or that we are created, designed, with purpose and function as our own bodies speak to us.
Just taking the human being to account. Take away the heart, we do not function. Take away the brain we do not function. Take away the liver we do not function. Take away the lungs we do not function. Take away blood we do not function. Take away nutrition (food/water), we seize to exist.
We are created dependant and limited so that we remember our place who we are and who created us.
It is merely human arrogance that denounces God, thinking we are 'mighty' because we scratched a little bit of worldly knowledge. Yet even if we don't know all that is in us and around us still remains even if we did not attain knowledge of it. If we perish and all material existance periishes, that knowledge remains with God who is eternal and unbegottn, with no beginning and no end.
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Actually I denounced santa clause and the easter bunny early on in life :)
I denounce all false deities, but I do not denounce God almighty.
What does life resort to? Believing that all this and ourselves are an accident and coincidence, as atheists preach that we come from monkies that come from rodents, that come from sea creatures that come from chemical accidents that come from a big accident over billions of years. Or that we are created, designed, with purpose and function as our own bodies speak to us.
Just taking the human being to account. Take away the heart, we do not function. Take away the brain we do not function. Take away the liver we do not function. Take away the lungs we do not function. Take away blood we do not function. Take away nutrition (food/water), we seize to exist.
We are created dependant and limited so that we remember our place who we are and who created us.
You believe in allah...a human created santa claus.
God created everyone but he himself is separate from rules. Whats the line for that? Oh god is so incredible that he doesnt fall into the same set of rules. He himself wasnt created although everything else has to be created by someone. Bullshit from the zealots who have no proper answer other than a mystical one.
Muhammed was a opportunist. He got a lot of people to buy into the islamic piramid scheme.
An addict refuses to accept the rationale behind his addition
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Btw...we are not created dependent. Its religion that forces us to think that we need cosmic help and that cosmic diety requires people to grovel an pray to him five times a day. Whats the matter? God is insecure and needs to be praised all the time or he'll come unravelled?
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Btw...we are not created dependent. Its religion that forces us to think that we need cosmic help and that cosmic diety requires people to grovel an pray to him five times a day. Whats the matter? God is insecure and needs to be praised all the time or he'll come unravelled?
Oh you're not? Well I guess you don't remember when you were in your mother's womb. I guess you don't remember when your parents changed your pooped diaepers for you.
Here you are, strong, independent, working, taking care of yourself perhaps someone below you like your children.
Remember the day when you can't wipe your own behind, when you can't chew your food because you may have lost your teeth, when you can't walk and have to use a stroller or a helper. Remember just as you were born helpless and in need, you will return to that state before you die so you remember who you belong to and how very dependant you are.
Just as you came from pitch darkness and supposed nothingness, remember when you face the angel of death and those surrounding your dead body place you in the earth. You will return to your maker.
Before God created us all, all of the souls of mankind, he asked each and every one of them who their lord is and we all answered God alone, then we are let lose in this world.
The word for man in Arabic is insaan. It comes from the word na-si-ya which is to forget. Arabic is a root based language like Hebrew and Aramaic.
We men are forgetful.
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Oh you're not? Well I guess you don't remember when you were in your mother's womb. I guess you don't remember when your parents changed your pooped diaepers for you.
Here you are, strong, independent, working, taking care of yourself perhaps someone below you like your children.
Remember the day when you can't wipe your own behind, when you can't chew your food because you may have lost your teeth, when you can't walk and have to use a stroller or a helper. Remember just as you were born helpless and in need, you will return to that state before you die so you remember who you belong to and how very dependant you are.
Just as you came from pitch darkness and supposed nothingness, remember when you face the angel of death and those surrounding your dead body place you in the earth. You will return to your maker.
Before God created us all, all of the souls of mankind, he asked each and every one of them who their lord is and we all answered God alone, then we are let lose in this world.
The word for man in Arabic is insaan. It comes from the word na-si-ya which is to forget. Arabic is a root based language like Hebrew and Aramaic.
We men are forgetful.
We men are gullible to beleive the lies of fools and are told we need to worship this man made construct called god. How do you know we return to our maker? Did someone come back from the dead and say so? No it was all a web of lies to comfort us that heaven exists and we'll be rewarded of we're good and bow down like sheep.
Thats why god needs a messenger. A messenger who will perpetuate the line of lies about the existence of this unicorn. The koran is just a book of man made ramblings to keep their sheep in line.
God did not create us we created god and then created the fabric of lies to cover up the truth.
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We men are gullible to beleive the lies of fools and are told we need to worship this man made construct called god. How do you know we return to our maker? Did someone come back from the dead and say so? No it was all a web of lies to comfort us that heaven exists and we'll be rewarded of we're good and bow down like sheep.
Thats why god needs a messenger. A messenger who will perpetuate the line of lies about the existence of this unicorn. The koran is just a book of man made ramblings to keep their sheep in line.
God did not create us we created god and then created the fabric of lies to cover up the truth.
So I guess you're one of them monkey believers that we come from monkies that come from rats that come from sea creatures that come from nothing?
Yet here you are arguing and debating like an arrogant pumped up of your own prideful existence.
No problem. We all can believe or disbelieve. But you will meet your maker. As I've said just as you were dependant in the mother's womb, so shall you be dependant on that day by the deeds you used to do.
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So I guess you're one of them monkey believers that we come from monkies that come from rats that come from sea creatures that come from nothing?
Yet here you are arguing and debating like an arrogant pumped up of your own prideful existence.
No problem. We all can believe or disbelieve. But you will meet your maker. As I've said just as you were dependant in the mother's womb, so shall you be dependant on that day by the deeds you used to do.
Again with the maker. How do you know with certainity that i will. Because the all knowing book says so?
As for arrogant and pumped up...take a look at the mirror buddy. Your whole existence on getbig is to defend your line of fantasy. I suppose its not your fault. Some people dont have a firm grasp on reallity so they live in a fantasy world that supports their insecurities. Sort of like your steroid addiction. You're dependent on drugs so i guess you have more than the addition to ancient stories of santa allah.
Bottom line is that you have no proof other than your fairy tales. You're blindly regurgitating the lies that help keep you in the matrix where everything has a convenient answer.
No problem.
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lol seems like another fellow atheist that's insecure and angry because someone doesn't reject God ::)
Well, bottom line is I believe in God, while you believe in your own pumped up self glorifying existance.
Remember the day you become helpless and face death. You won't have as much of a prideful attitude as you do right at this blissfully healthy moment.
Your existence on the other hand is purposeless right? You are an accident that came into this world by an accident and you live this life as an accident, you rationalize and arrogantly argue as an accident and you will die an accident. But you certainly purposely with purpose have a problem with someone believing in God :P
lol at 'your drug use'. Oh a bodybuilding forum and someone relating body building drugs to narcotics how cute. Take an advil lately for the headache relating to your big ego? It's a drug, so is coffee that's keeping you up this late ;)
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lol seems like another fellow atheist that's insecure and angry because someone doesn't reject God ::)
Well, bottom line is I believe in God, while you believe in your own pumped up self glorifying existance.
Remember the day you become helpless and face death. You won't have as much of a prideful attitude as you do right at this blissfully healthy moment.
Your existence on the other hand is purposeless right? You are an accident that came into this world by an accident and you live this life as an accident, you rationalize and arrogantly argue as an accident and you will die an accident. But you certainly purposely with purpose have a problem with someone believing in God :P
lol at 'your drug use'. Oh a bodybuilding forum and someone relating body building drugs to narcotics how cute. Take an advil lately for the headache relating to your big ego? It's a drug, so is coffee that's keeping you up this late ;)
Yada yada yada. No proper response just the programmed answers right achmint?
Every life has a purpose. You determine that purpose. If your purpose is to beleive ancient myths so be it.
The problem is when you start beleiving that your brand of myth is somehow superior to the others. Idol worshiping is just a variation of the same crap you do...at the end of the day its worship.
You seem to be on something other than steroids. Cocaine? Meth? Your posts seem to be filled with self loathing and denial.
Considering you are in canada why are you up so late? Filled with rage that you cant form a coherent arguement? From where im posting its daylight.
Maybe you should take an advil or go to sleep. Maybe that will induce some reason but i doubt it.
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Typical atheist, denouncing everything others believe in anger, accusing others of force feeding him 'their beliefs' and then offering nothing in return :)
Oh so it's night, don't you think you are seeking a bit too much desperation in your arguments? So I can sleep or be awake whenever I want, and I am flexible with my job. That's such a useful arguing point. Good job.
Atheists really amaze me. Why are you all so stereotypical? Unable to discuss a single thing but force spoon everyone to 'reject' their 'ancient beliefs', 'fairy tales', etc... and throw in slurs, cynicism, insults, 'achmetz' etc...
Atheists have serious insecurity.
Why don't we discuss your infallibly superior beliefs? We come from monkies right 8)
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Typical atheist, denouncing everything others believe in anger, accusing others of force feeding him 'their beliefs' and then offering nothing in return :)
Oh so it's night, don't you think you are seeking a bit too much desperation in your arguments? So I can sleep or be awake whenever I want, and I am flexible with my job. That's such a useful arguing point. Good job.
Atheists really amaze me. Why are you all so stereotypical? Unable to discuss a single thing but force spoon everyone to 'reject' their 'ancient beliefs', 'fairy tales', etc... and throw in slurs, cynicism, insults, 'achmetz' etc...
Atheists have serious insecurity.
Why don't we discuss your infallibly superior beliefs? We come from monkies right 8)
Yawn...atheist rant. Why are YOU so sterotypical? :D
No proper response just a load of tripe. Is that whAt you have left achmint?
You certainly are a monkey if that helps. No logic or reason just hoot and holla from ypur treetop when change presents itself. Its pointless trying to explain anything to a blind zealot who lives in a fantasy world started centuries ago. Dont worry about the thingamajiggy called science. You dont need it. Stay in your cocoon.
So did you get your third cup of coffee to continue the getbig jihad? Isnt it almost 4.00am in canada? Guess your day shift starts late eh?
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lol, so you admit you believe we come from monkies right
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lol, so you admit you believe we come from monkies right
So you admit that muhammed was a liar that made up his brand of fairy tale using christianity as a starting point?
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No Muhammad (peace be upon him) confirmed which was before and was not a liar.
In fact he was called amin by the pagans of makkah. The trustworthy and people would come to him to settle certain affairs even before Islam or to keep something in his trust as he was trustworthy.
However when he came to propagate the message of God people called him a liar, a soothsayer, a magician, someone who wanted worldly power, etc...
They offered him women, wealth, kingship, yet he refused it all, while the pagans refused to accept what he preached. All he wanted to preach was that God is one and to not worship the creation.
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No Muhammad (peace be upon him) confirmed which was before and was not a liar.
In fact he was called amin by the pagans of makkah. The trustworthy and people would come to him to settle certain affairs even before Islam or to keep something in his trust as he was trustworthy.
However when he came to propagate the message of God people called him a liar, a soothsayer, a magician, someone who wanted worldly power, etc...
They offered him women, wealth, kingship, yet he refused it all, while the pagans refused to accept what he preached. All he wanted to preach was that God is one and to not worship the creation.
Muhammed was a liar. He made up a story while sitting in a cave and idiots like you believe it. God ( if this unicorn exists) is punishing your foolish faith for this travesty. Muslims will have their lands taken over. They are already the most despised religion. Seems like god is rewarding christians and jews more than muslims.
Muhammed was also a pedo. A pedo is a pedo regardless of what time he lived in. You follow a man who raped a child. No wonder you lie to cover up his sins. To bad there isnt a god or muhammed would be roasting in hell with all the other pedos.
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I see facing the truth about muhammed has shocked you into silence.
We'll continue this later. Unlike you i have other responsibilities and a life so i'll get going....for now.
You're lucky canada gives you those handouts that enables you to live off the state without doing a meaningful job. It certainly helps to get govt checks that allow you stay up all night getting owned on the religion board and then go to work at the local tim hortons. Thats what you islamists do right? Immigrate to the west and live off taxpayers? Btw you brought up the night issue first and im glad you did because I wouldnt have known how late it was in canada. Tried to be funny and paid for it eh?
We'll continue later now that i know that- delusional clown like you is haunting this board. I i'll be sure to stop by more regularily and we can have some more fun.
Ta ta for now.
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So I guess you're one of them monkey believers that we come from monkies that come from rats that come from sea creatures that come from nothing?
Yet here you are arguing and debating like an arrogant pumped up of your own prideful existence.
No problem. We all can believe or disbelieve. But you will meet your maker. As I've said just as you were dependant in the mother's womb, so shall you be dependant on that day by the deeds you used to do.
There is ample evidence for this. You choose to ignore it.
You have no evidence for what you believe. You choose to ignore that as well.
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So I guess you're one of them monkey believers that we come from monkies that come from rats that come from sea creatures that come from nothing?
its science, dude. do you think the earth is flat ?
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its science, dude. do you think the earth is flat ?
Okay so if that's true where does God fit in your made up personal religion where everyone should love their killers and die to go to the kingdom of heaven or whatever you made up.
So you believe that we come from monkies that come from rats that come from sea dwellers that come from some other accidents and from nothing.
Science is a tool to understand how things work. Atheists use Darwinian beliefs to explain to themselves their fairy tale of billions of years that they come from monkies, etc... their proof are a bunch of shattered bones and pretty pictures drawn up by the imagination of artists.
Now they don't have to use super shitty old drawings, they can even use computer animation as we all know computer animated stuff is 'so real' even the fakest of crap can look 'real'
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do you think the earth is flat? if not, why ?
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do you think the earth is flat? if not, why ?
Because we know it's not flat ::) You can with a few million dollars go up in space and verify it yourself.
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Because we know it's not flat ::) You can with a few million dollars go up in space and verify it yourself.
Too bad we cant go back in time and expose the fraud muhammed whoi went into a cave and claimed god spoke to him. It would have rid the world of most terrorists.
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God is not a man that he is tempted by the devil his own creation
God is not a man that he is in the womb of a woman and born
God is not a man that he eats, pees, poos and sleeps.
God is not a man that he prays to 'himself'
God is not a man that he says he doesn't know something
God is not a man that he changes his mind or deceives or does not fulfill promises
Jesus (pbuh) is a man :)
People run away from christianity not because it offers 'do whatever you want you are saved' but because it is irrational blind faith.
Faith without rational or intellect is blind faith.
We don't have time for your autobiography on here. Try to stick to the argument.
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That's not my autobiography, that's referring to the bible. Things that Jesus did which is not what God would.
Jesus didn't know things, Jesus prayed to God while his companions were asleep, Jesus was tempted by the devil and offered the world, Jesus bled blood, ate, slept, etc...
And the bible is constantly contradicting itself, confusing, inconsistent, but if one realizes most of the NT is writings of Paul, a pharisees Jew who was at the service of the romans, then it makes sense, since only a human being would deceive, lie, misinform, change his mind, etc...
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That's not my autobiography, that's referring to the bible. Things that Jesus did which is not what God would.
Jesus didn't know things, Jesus prayed to God while his companions were asleep, Jesus was tempted by the devil and offered the world, Jesus bled blood, ate, slept, etc...
And the bible is constantly contradicting itself, confusing, inconsistent, but if one realizes most of the NT is writings of Paul, a pharisees Jew who was at the service of the romans, then it makes sense, since only a human being would deceive, lie, misinform, change his mind, etc...
Meanwhile muhammed cavorted and raped a 6yr old child and claimed that god spoke to him in a cave. Sounds like a good fictional yarn waiting to be written....oh wait. ;D
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Meanwhile muhammed cavorted and raped a 6yr old child and claimed that god spoke to him in a cave. Sounds like a good fictional yarn waiting to be written....oh wait. ;D
No it sounds like your fictional writing as that is not what Muslims know or believe. And you wonder why we Muslims on here say you are nothing but a bunch of islam hating, bashing, islamophobes :-/
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No it sounds like your fictional writing as that is not what Muslims know or believe. And you wonder why we Muslims on here say you are nothing but a bunch of islam hating, bashing, islamophobes :-/
we just point out the truth about your pedo leader's fictional conversation with god But you prefer your fantasy world over reality. Thats ok. Continue living in a fools paradise.
LOL at reverting to the islamaphobe retort. How droll.
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The scripture says that the scripture says that it's okay to use it for arguments.
End of thread.
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The scripture says that the scripture says that it's okay to use it for arguments.
End of thread.
Scripture is meaningless to nonbelievers, nothing new here.....I may as well post "as208**lkn32, lais5454\\, ahlksd49" in reference to nonbeliever objections......because scripture "bah, worthless....man made fantasies."
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Scripture is meaningless to nonbelievers, nothing new here.....I may as well post "as208**lkn32, lais5454\\, ahlksd49" in reference to nonbeliever objections......because scripture "bah, worthless....man made fantasies."
Listen up, you dirty little masturbater.
I'll see you in hell.
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Listen up, you dirty little masturbater.
I'll see you in hell.
Have a blessed day garebear!
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Because we know it's not flat ::) You can with a few million dollars go up in space and verify it yourself.
have you ever personally verified that information? have you had some kind of first hand experience that proves the earth is round? i highly doubt it. you see pictures, videos, and testimony of experts to confirm the world is not flat. but you yourself dont have any proof, nor have ever seen proof of it. yet you take the opinion of the experts, and acccept the evidence they provide without questioning whether the "evidence" is fabricated.
you may do well to use that kind of logic, accepting the opinions of the experts, when it comes to other issues as well. like for example, the nature of the development of species.
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Scripture is meaningless to nonbelievers, nothing new here.....I may as well post "as208**lkn32, lais5454\\, ahlksd49" in reference to nonbeliever objections......because scripture "bah, worthless....man made fantasies."
but scripture is also meaningless to large amount of believers. garebear made a great point, a point ive been trying to make this entire thread, that "because i said so" isnt proof of anything. scripture hijacks the potency of wisdom and the divine and uses it to fool people into accepting a man made document as the book of god. the old testament in particular was mainly a political tool created by kings for political purpouses.
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Then your knowledge of God comes from your own whims and desires, your own opinions and your own man made assumptions.It's like you saying you don't need prophets or messengers. Or whatever they did, said, you don't care.
The thing is, determining which and what of the scriptures is truthful and which is not. It is one of the things that made me leave christianity and embrace islam. I studied various religions of the world including their scriptures. Heck even hinduism (did you know they actually believe ultimately there is only one God? But that the brahman priests ultimately created the caste system, idolatry amongst other things to control people).
Is it better your knowledge of god comes from man written manuscripts?
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but scripture is also meaningless to large amount of believers. garebear made a great point, a point ive been trying to make this entire thread, that "because i said so" isnt proof of anything. scripture hijacks the potency of wisdom and the divine and uses it to fool people into accepting a man made document as the book of god. the old testament in particular was mainly a political tool created by kings for political purpouses.
The "because I said so argument" is simply not my point....it has nothing to do with MOS LOL.
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The "because I said so argument" is simply not my point....it has nothing to do with MOS LOL.
its the "because scripture says so" argument that im referring to when i mention the "because I say so" argument.
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Have a blessed day garebear!
Always, my man. (No homo)
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Is it better your knowledge of god comes from man written manuscripts?
Our knowledge comes from what is retained from the prophets and messengers that revealed to us God's message.
Islam is the only uncorrupted religion that remains. Anyone who strays from it we still have all the records of revelation which the same cannot be said about other religions.
If every man conjures up for himself what he wants to believe, then what is the truth?
Tbombz believes that men should let themselves be killed and 'love their enemy' so that they can change and become good. which makes totally non-sense and he makes up all htese beliefs on his own twisted accord.
God teaches us to defend ourselves and not transgress limits and God does not like the transgresors (partially paraphrasing from qur'an).
Imagine if nazis were slaughtering left and right and tbomzb told everyone no no no no show them LOVE when they stab you in the face and shoot you in the face.
Did the Iraqi girl who was raped and murdered by US soldiers 'show love', did the family and home tha tthese soldiers then set on fire 'show love' did they 'turn to be good people' in that moment? It is disgusting what he preaches and is merely his own twisted fraudulent belief.
It does not come from God and he does not know where it comes from except himself. He takes what he wants how he wants and where does he get this love thy enemy from? The bible. Yet he rejects scriptures, what is the context of it? Does it mean stand and be killed? No.
In islam we are told to repay evil with good so that the other may realize how they are wrong. This is in fact a concept in islam. HOWEVER it does not tell us to blindly sit there smiling while someone is trusting towards us with a sword/gun/whatever.
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Our knowledge comes from what is retained from the prophets and messengers that revealed to us God's message.
Islam is the only uncorrupted religion that remains. Anyone who strays from it we still have all the records of revelation which the same cannot be said about other religions.
If every man conjures up for himself what he wants to believe, then what is the truth?
Tbombz believes that men should let themselves be killed and 'love their enemy' so that they can change and become good. which makes totally non-sense and he makes up all htese beliefs on his own twisted accord.
God teaches us to defend ourselves and not transgress limits and God does not like the transgresors (partially paraphrasing from qur'an).
Imagine if nazis were slaughtering left and right and tbomzb told everyone no no no no show them LOVE when they stab you in the face and shoot you in the face.
Did the Iraqi girl who was raped and murdered by US soldiers 'show love', did the family and home tha tthese soldiers then set on fire 'show love' did they 'turn to be good people' in that moment? It is disgusting what he preaches and is merely his own twisted fraudulent belief.
It does not come from God and he does not know where it comes from except himself. He takes what he wants how he wants and where does he get this love thy enemy from? The bible. Yet he rejects scriptures, what is the context of it? Does it mean stand and be killed? No.
In islam we are told to repay evil with good so that the other may realize how they are wrong. This is in fact a concept in islam. HOWEVER it does not tell us to blindly sit there smiling while someone is trusting towards us with a sword/gun/whatever.
I take that as a yes
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Our knowledge comes from what is retained from the prophets and messengers that revealed to us God's message.
Islam is the only uncorrupted religion that remains. Anyone who strays from it we still have all the records of revelation which the same cannot be said about other religions.
If every man conjures up for himself what he wants to believe, then what is the truth?
Tbombz believes that men should let themselves be killed and 'love their enemy' so that they can change and become good. which makes totally non-sense and he makes up all htese beliefs on his own twisted accord.
God teaches us to defend ourselves and not transgress limits and God does not like the transgresors (partially paraphrasing from qur'an).
Imagine if nazis were slaughtering left and right and tbomzb told everyone no no no no show them LOVE when they stab you in the face and shoot you in the face.
Did the Iraqi girl who was raped and murdered by US soldiers 'show love', did the family and home tha tthese soldiers then set on fire 'show love' did they 'turn to be good people' in that moment? It is disgusting what he preaches and is merely his own twisted fraudulent belief.
It does not come from God and he does not know where it comes from except himself. He takes what he wants how he wants and where does he get this love thy enemy from? The bible. Yet he rejects scriptures, what is the context of it? Does it mean stand and be killed? No.
In islam we are told to repay evil with good so that the other may realize how they are wrong. This is in fact a concept in islam. HOWEVER it does not tell us to blindly sit there smiling while someone is trusting towards us with a sword/gun/whatever.
What a load of tripe. Go travel and see the love muslims show others of different religions.
Muhammed was a brilliant con artist much like Joesph smith.Both claimed they spoke to god. Both spawned a cult that grew into a religion.
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What a load of tripe. Go travel and see the love muslims show others of different religions.
Muhammed was a brilliant con artist much like Joesph smith.Both claimed they spoke to god. Both spawned a cult that grew into a religion.
In my opinion all religions are cults
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In my opinion all religions are cults
I put no stock in religion or man. I have my faith which I freely share. Or not.
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have you ever personally verified that information? have you had some kind of first hand experience that proves the earth is round? i highly doubt it. you see pictures, videos, and testimony of experts to confirm the world is not flat. but you yourself dont have any proof, nor have ever seen proof of it. yet you take the opinion of the experts, and acccept the evidence they provide without questioning whether the "evidence" is fabricated.
you may do well to use that kind of logic, accepting the opinions of the experts, when it comes to other issues as well. like for example, the nature of the development of species.
Are you suggesting that if someone hasn't witnessed somebody die, they can't know for sure if death is real and that death will happen to them and everybody else. Are all the graveyards a bit of a running joke, since I never witnessed them die, maybe they didn't. Is a photo of the earth taken from space not enough proof for you that the earth is round, or being at the beach and a ship slowly appears over the horizon, can you not work it out from that. You must have major trust issues if you think their is a major conspiracy about the shape of the planet! Seriously.
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The destruction of the Biblical city of Sodom was due to their mistreatment of strangers.
Scripture regarding the above point:
Gen 19:1-5
That evening the two angels came to the entrance of the city of Sodom. Lot was sitting there, and when he saw them, he stood up to meet them. Then he welcomed them and bowed with his face to the ground. “My lords,” he said, “come to my home to wash your feet, and be my guests for the night. You may then get up early in the morning and be on your way again.”
“Oh no,” they replied. “We’ll just spend the night out here in the city square.”
But Lot insisted, so at last they went home with him. Lot prepared a feast for them, complete with fresh bread made without yeast, and they ate. But before they retired for the night, all the men of Sodom, young and old, came from all over the city and surrounded the house. They shouted to Lot, “Where are the men who came to spend the night with you? Bring them out to us so we can have sex with them!”
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Are you suggesting that if someone hasn't witnessed somebody die, they can't know for sure if death is real and that death will happen to them and everybody else. Are all the graveyards a bit of a running joke, since I never witnessed them die, maybe they didn't. Is a photo of the earth taken from space not enough proof for you that the earth is round, or being at the beach and a ship slowly appears over the horizon, can you not work it out from that. You must have major trust issues if you think their is a major conspiracy about the shape of the planet! Seriously.
i think you were high when you posted this ;D my comments had to deal with thinking you something is true when you have never experienced its truth before. and comparing belief in evolution to a belief that the earth is round. because, most likely, someone who denies evolution doesnt deny that the earth is round. but yet, thats despite not having any first hand experience on either subject. which leads to the apex of my point.. that if your going to trust scientific consensus about the earth being round, why not trust in regards to the development of organisms ?