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Title: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: musclecenter on January 23, 2013, 12:53:35 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-21148980 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-21148980)

The police officer who Tasered a bodybuilder four times has told an inquest into the man's death how he fired shots in "fear" for his safety.
Dale Burns, 27, of Barrow, Cumbria, suffered a heart attack and died after being arrested at his flat.......

Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: Radical Plato on January 23, 2013, 01:02:22 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-21148980 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-21148980)
The police officer who Tasered a bodybuilder four times has told an inquest into the man's death how he fired shots in "fear" for his safety.
Dale Burns, 27, of Barrow, Cumbria, suffered a heart attack and died after being arrested at his flat.......


A Policeman's fear for his safety means I just really wanted to teach some fucker a lesson.
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on January 23, 2013, 03:45:21 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-21148980 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-21148980)
The police officer who Tasered a bodybuilder four times has told an inquest into the man's death how he fired shots in "fear" for his safety.
Dale Burns, 27, of Barrow, Cumbria, suffered a heart attack and died after being arrested at his flat.......



Who would be scared of a midget bodybuilder?  It just shows the low standard of police in the UK.  Low IQ, low physical capability.
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: _bruce_ on January 23, 2013, 03:46:59 AM
UK is no more.
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 23, 2013, 03:48:55 AM
Do the police get away with Murder in the UK like they do in the United States? ???

I'm very comfortable knowing civilians are armed, but if I could I would severely limit police fire power, and take away tasers altogether. 
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on January 23, 2013, 03:50:33 AM
Do the police get away with Murder in the UK like they do in the United States? ???

UK is a police state.  UK citizens have very few rights.
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: Method101 on January 23, 2013, 03:55:27 AM
This sums it up.

"We're gonna feed on your ass!" haha.

Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on January 23, 2013, 04:02:15 AM
Ha ha fucking epic  :D
This sums it up.

"We're gonna feed on your ass!" haha.


Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: 240 is Back on January 23, 2013, 05:11:52 AM
ECA + tazer
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on January 23, 2013, 05:18:32 AM
Who would be scared of a midget bodybuilder?  It just shows the low standard of police in the UK.  Low IQ, low physical capability.

That bodybuilder had MDPV in his system....Bath Salts...he was obviously out of control and the officer had no choice....not only that, the taser shots didn't kill him
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: Army of One on January 23, 2013, 05:51:40 AM
That bodybuilder had MDPV in his system....Bath Salts..

Maybe he was trying to get the MindMuscle Connection?
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: oldtimer1 on January 23, 2013, 06:36:26 AM
If you were a cop and told someone they are under arrest and they wouldn't comply what would you do after they took a fighting stance?  Exchange strikes then possibly get into a ground game with them while you have a gun on your hip he could take? Hit him with your baton until he submits? Pepper spray him where the spray would also effect you and sometimes doesn't work. Or use the taser on your hip?  All of the options are legal if someone resists arrest.

The moral to the story is if a cop says your under arrest or even takes out his hand cuffs; let him arrest you.
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: Radical Plato on January 23, 2013, 06:51:34 AM
If you were a cop and told someone they are under arrest and they wouldn't comply what would you do after they took a fighting stance?  Exchange strikes then possibly get into a ground game with them while you have a gun on your hip he could take? Hit him with your baton until he submits? Pepper spray him where the spray would also effect you and sometimes doesn't work. Or use the taser on your hip?  All of the options are legal if someone resists arrest.

The moral to the story is if a cop says your under arrest or even takes out his hand cuffs; let him arrest you.
Their are usually multiple officers around, they should use physical force with a few baton strikes if necessary and tackle him to the ground.  Beats killing a man with 50000 volts.  I am tired of these weak as piss policeman scared to get a graze on their knee.  How do you think they did it in the old days, they overwhelmed them with physical force, but these days, policemen are scared to break a fingernail.   They would rather kill a man than risk getting a little banged up.  The Police force used to attract masculine men, now it is full of insecure weak people who have no business being in authority.
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: kofo on January 23, 2013, 07:01:16 AM
Good luck it wasnt a black BBer. Then there would have been riots, "a new minority policy in the society", suggestions of more etnic police, a hate crime trial and what not...
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: snx on January 23, 2013, 07:06:18 AM
Their are usually multiple officers around, they should use physical force with a few baton strikes if necessary and tackle him to the ground.  Beats killing a man with 50000 volts.  I am tired of these weak as piss policeman scared to get a graze on their knee.  How do you think they did it in the old days, they overwhelmed them with physical force, but these days, policemen are scared to break a fingernail.   They would rather kill a man than risk getting a little banged up.  The Police force used to attract masculine men, now it is full of insecure weak people who have no business being in authority.

They use the taser specifically because prosecuting attorneys are so adept at proving excessive force when police used to "beat" would-be criminals.

The taser is not as easily prosecuted and is viewed as not being excessive (unless discharged numerous times once the subject has been subdued).

The name of the game now is: is the taser an appropriate form of non-lethal force? Some would say no. Some would say there are other non-lethal devices that subdue victims without potentially killing them (such as sound blasts, etc...). I'm not an expert on that stuff, so I have nothing to say about that.

This case hinges on whether the prosecutor can prove that the defendent was zapped multiple times after being sufficiently restrained, which would have been excessive force causing death. The compounding circumstances of having bath salts (and the wild tales of what that drug does to people...remember face eating in Miami?) in his blood will make it difficult to prove the cop did not act fearing for his life.

I predict the jury will side with the officer barring any obvious evidence that the officer was being punitive. Folks are scared of criminals on bath salts running around eating people. They'll believe the cop.

Bottom line: don't take mind-altering chemicals, because they turn you into someone else...someone incapable of properly judging their own actions and evaluating possible reactions. But you'll still be held accountable for what you did. Too bad he paid with his life in learing that hard lesson. But I have little sympathy for him. He's a father. What kind of sorry excuse for a father goes around taking bath salts? He's an embarrassment to his family, and now he's dead because of it, causing the ultimate harm to his family.
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: Radical Plato on January 23, 2013, 07:19:49 AM
They use the taser specifically because prosecuting attorneys are so adept at proving excessive force when police used to "beat" would-be criminals.

The taser is not as easily prosecuted and is viewed as not being excessive (unless discharged numerous times once the subject has been subdued).

The name of the game now is: is the taser an appropriate form of non-lethal force? Some would say no. Some would say there are other non-lethal devices that subdue victims without potentially killing them (such as sound blasts, etc...). I'm not an expert on that stuff, so I have nothing to say about that.

This case hinges on whether the prosecutor can prove that the defendent was zapped multiple times after being sufficiently restrained, which would have been excessive force causing death. The compounding circumstances of having bath salts (and the wild tales of what that drug does to people...remember face eating in Miami?) in his blood will make it difficult to prove the cop did not act fearing for his life.

I predict the jury will side with the officer barring any obvious evidence that the officer was being punitive. Folks are scared of criminals on bath salts running around eating people. They'll believe the cop.

Bottom line: don't take mind-altering chemicals, because they turn you into someone else...someone incapable of properly judging their own actions and evaluating possible reactions. But you'll still be held accountable for what you did. Too bad he paid with his life in learing that hard lesson. But I have little sympathy for him. He's a father. What kind of sorry excuse for a father goes around taking bath salts? He's an embarrassment to his family, and now he's dead because of it, causing the ultimate harm to his family.

I'm not saying the accused is right or didn't contribute, but I don't think the DEATH penalty was warranted.  And I think you will find he TASER will become less and less tolerated, the deaths are mounting, and their is increasing non biased research highlighting the potentially fatal effect they have on the heart.  Many human rights organisation suggest they are a device of torture.  And due to their unpredictable outcome, if I was in such a situation I would prefer to take my chances against multiple police, some pepper spray and a baton.

And calling someone a criminal because the Police suspected he destroyed his own bathroom is a stretch.  I have never understood the crime in smashing your own things!  After all, your the perpetrator and the victim.  Essentially, a man was killed for allegedly smashing his own property, that's pretty fucked up and hard to reason that the punishment fit the crime.
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on January 23, 2013, 07:21:54 AM
they arent armed often but they get away with murder etc.

ok is absolute and total poice state, everything is monitored.




In the UK police will kick your door down for saying insensitive things on the net, and arrest you.  COMPLETE TRUTH yet we wouldn't have believed it 10 years ago...
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: snx on January 23, 2013, 07:37:06 AM
I'm not saying the accused is right or didn't contribute, but I don't think the DEATH penalty was warranted.  And I think you will find he TASER will become less and less tolerated, the deaths are mounting, and their is increasing non biased research highlighting the potentially fatal effect they have on the heart.  Many human rights organisation suggest they are a device of torture.  And due to their unpredictable outcome, if I was in such a situation I would prefer to take my chances against multiple police, some pepper spray and a baton.

And calling someone a criminal because the Police suspected he destroyed his own bathroom is a stretch.  I have never understood the crime in smashing your own things!  After all, your the perpetrator and the victim.  Essentially, a man was killed for allegedly smashing his own property, that's pretty fucked up and hard to reason that the punishment fit the crime.

Well, I'll agree that smashing your own stuff should be perfectly legal. But I wonder...they call it a "flat", which to me, might imply he was renting an apartment. Then it wouldn't be his to smash. But if I'm wrong on that, then yes...he should be allowed to smash away to his heart's content without any fear of reprisal. As long as he isn't endangering those around him, or generally disturbing the peace.

I too agree the death penalty wasn't deserved. But, the outcome is what it is. He knowingly took drugs, and is therefore accountable for his actions, however little control he had over them.

So now, we have to understand: did the cops use excessive force leading to death? Or were they justified? Did they taze him after he was subdued? Or not? You have to admit...a jury of this man's peers will want to side with him given bath salts were involved. It's impossible for Joe and Jane Q. Public to not be fearful of that drug's effects, what with all the media hooplah and propaganda surrounding it.

Again, I think my point stands. The only reason tasers are in the hands of policemen is because prosecutors are too effective at proving excessive force when officers use batons or nightsticks or other devices. Which gets the accused person on the streets again, potentially to re-offend, after having gotten off on a technicality. We don't want to see that either.

I will agree with you though that the public's tolerance for what appears to be mounting numbers of deaths due to tasers is slowly but surely waning. They want a better solution. I believe there must be something out there. But folks will find the police unions to be a strong opposing force to changes here.

We'll see.

Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: gracie bjj on January 23, 2013, 08:20:17 AM
once the person resisted arrest the cop shoulda jumped guard and butt scooted after that madman, the guy woulda quickly realized he was dealing with a trained bjj artist n gave up
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: Rami on January 23, 2013, 09:05:49 AM
This sums it up.

"We're gonna feed on your ass!" haha.



haha so much truth, Alex is the best at these kind of rants, guy is living it that's for sure
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: Radical Plato on January 23, 2013, 10:08:23 AM
o now, we have to understand: did the cops use excessive force leading to death? Or were they justified? Did they taze him after he was subdued? Or not? You have to admit...a jury of this man's peers will want to side with him given bath salts were involved. It's impossible for Joe and Jane Q. Public to not be fearful of that drug's effects, what with all the media hooplah and propaganda surrounding it.

Again, I think my point stands. The only reason tasers are in the hands of policemen is because prosecutors are too effective at proving excessive force when officers use batons or nightsticks or other devices. Which gets the accused person on the streets again, potentially to re-offend, after having gotten off on a technicality. We don't want to see that either.

I will agree with you though that the public's tolerance for what appears to be mounting numbers of deaths due to tasers is slowly but surely waning. They want a better solution. I believe there must be something out there. But folks will find the police unions to be a strong opposing force to changes here.

We'll see.



This is the issue, Tasers can be used and have little to no after effect on an individual, but their are times when the TASER is FATAL.  I find it hard to accept that Prosecutors find it easy to prove excessive force when a more direct physical approach is taken, and yet can't find the same ease in proving this with TASERS.  I think because the research regarding TASERS is heavily biased in favor of the TASER group. The fact that TASER is a commodity that can be publicly traded sets up a conflict of interest that leads to such bias.  When their is pressure for a company to make profits so it's share holders can enjoy the dividends, their is going to be huge pressure to utilise their product as often as possible.  This means USE the TASER as much as you can.  I think this is a big factor in mission creep and the overuse of the device with minimal provocation.  

Also because Police use the device often without fatality, police consider the device safe, so they use it when it isn't required, and if someone dies, the Police know exactly what to say to get off the hook.  If you study the case of the young brazillian man Roberto Laudisio Curti who was tasered and died on the streets of Sydney last year, the Blue code of silence was quite perverse, and the lies were so obvious that the coroner labelled the Police as "Thugs" and like "schoolboys in Lord of the Flies".  The coroner made it quite clear very early on that she didn't expect honesty from the police involved.  Anyway, due to our corruption and the police knowing exactly what to say, they got away with killing a man who was running away from them.

Due to the overwhelming fatalities, the company itself has had to acknowledge that rather than labelling the device "non lethal", they now phrase the term 'Less Lethal".  They also changed the phrase “leave no lasting after-effects” to “are more effective and safer than other use-of-force options”.  

Here in Australia, after Tasers were introduced, gun use remained relatively constant. Which doesn’t really make a convincing case that Tasers are being used instead of firearms.  Tasers haven't lessened gun use as a force option, They’re being used as well as, not instead of guns.  The average persons gut instinct would be to believe that shocking someone with 50,000 volts of electricity causing temporary paralysis would easily be described as an excessive use of force, the problem is, all these paid off Professors who bamboozle the public with hard to understand pseudo-science convincing the people that they don't have the expertise so trust them when they tell you delivering a paralysing 50,000 volts to someone is perfectly safe.

I believe a lot of the time the use of patient skilled communication would prevent a lot of these incidents, but the Police force attracts people who are attracted to FORCE and potentially aren't great communicators to begin with.
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: HTexan on January 23, 2013, 10:11:35 AM
so they were still scared after 3 taser shots? Man, UK police are pussies?
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: bradistani on January 23, 2013, 10:17:21 AM
haha, this piece has him has a raging roid monster

Quote
A HULKING bodybuilder addicted to steroids has died after police shot him with a 50,000-volt Taser.

Muscleman Dale Burns, 27, was zapped with the stun gun as he rampaged around his flat smashing it up.

Pals claimed he was Tasered 3 times as eight officers struggled to subdue him.

Police called in by terrified neighbours also used pepper spray before finally handcuffing the raging bouncer.

The dad of two had a heart attack shortly afterwards and was taken to hospital, but he died three hours after Tuesday night’s arrest.

Dale, of Barrow-in-Furness, Cumbria, is thought to be the first person in the UK to die after being Tasered.

A pal said: “The police couldn’t control him so they Tasered him. He got up and was going off his head because of what they had done so they Tasered him twice more.”

Yesterday the Independent Police Complaints Commission launched an inquiry into the tragedy. A post mortem will also be held.

Dale’s former stepdad Ian Lund, 51, said last night the bodybuilding fanatic used steroids and the illegal party drug mephedrone – known as meow meow.

Ian added: “When he did it he really went for it. He got addicted to mephedrone and steroids. We tried to stop him.”

Dale’s mood swings caused friction with on-off love Sarah Keverne, 31 – mum of his son Ethan, two. She is too upset to speak.

He also had a daughter Honor, four.
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: Radical Plato on January 23, 2013, 10:19:41 AM
so they were still scared after 3 taser shots? Man, UK police are pussies?
American Police are just as bad, the TASER use by American Police is off the charts!  The Police Force attracts Scared Insecure people, they believe the right to abuse ordinary citizens with excessive force as a panacea for this disorder.
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: snx on January 23, 2013, 10:26:34 AM
This is the issue, Tasers can be used and have little to no after effect on an individual, but their are times when the TASER is FATAL.  I find it hard to accept that Prosecutors find it easy to prove excessive force when a more direct physical approach is taken, and yet can't find the same ease in proving this with TASERS.  I think because the research regarding TASERS is heavily biased in favor of the TASER group. The fact that TASER is a commodity that can be publicly traded sets up a conflict of interest that leads to such bias.  When their is pressure for a company to make profits so it's share holders can enjoy the dividends, their is going to be huge pressure to utilise their product as often as possible.  This means USE the TASER as much as you can.  I think this is a big factor in mission creep and the overuse of the device with minimal provocation.  

Also because Police use the device often without fatality, police consider the device safe, so they use it when it isn't required, and if someone dies, the Police know exactly what to say to get off the hook.  If you study the case of the young brazillian man Roberto Laudisio Curti who was tasered and died on the streets of Sydney last year, the Blue code of silence was quite perverse, and the lies were so obvious that the coroner labelled the Police as "Thugs" and like "schoolboys in Lord of the Flies".  The coroner made it quite clear very early on that she didn't expect honesty from the police involved.  Anyway, due to our corruption and the police knowing exactly what to say, they got away with killing a man who was running away from them.

Due to the overwhelming fatalities, the company itself has had to acknowledge that rather than labelling the device "non lethal", they now phrase the term 'Less Lethal".  They also changed the phrase “leave no lasting after-effects” to “are more effective and safer than other use-of-force options”.  

Here in Australia, after Tasers were introduced, gun use remained relatively constant. Which doesn’t really make a convincing case that Tasers are being used instead of firearms.  Tasers haven't lessened gun use as a force option, They’re being used as well as, not instead of guns.  The average persons gut instinct would be to believe that shocking someone with 50,000 volts of electricity causing temporary paralysis would easily be described as an excessive use of force, the problem is, all these paid off Professors who bamboozle the public with hard to understand pseudo-science convincing the people that they don't have the expertise so trust them when they tell you delivering a paralysing 50,000 volts to someone is perfectly safe.

I believe a lot of the time the use of patient skilled communication would prevent a lot of these incidents, but the Police force attracts people who are attracted to FORCE and potentially aren't great communicators to begin with.

A well-stated rebuttal. I generally agree with your sentiment in the post above.
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: HTexan on January 23, 2013, 05:19:26 PM
American Police are just as bad, the TASER use by American Police is off the charts!  The Police Force attracts Scared Insecure people, they believe the right to abuse ordinary citizens with excessive force as a panacea for this disorder.
example where US police multiple-tasered a health-ish young dude to death?
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: Radical Plato on January 23, 2013, 09:25:35 PM
example where US police multiple-tasered a health-ish young dude to death?


769 people have been killed by TASER as of April 2011.  You take your pick, many of them were tasered multiple times, to suggest that all those people were not healthy and that is some type of justification for murdering them is pretty perverse.

The whole they weren't healthy individuals is BULLSHIT, in Australia here the Police recently TASERED to death a fit, young Brazilian by the name of Roberto Laudisio Curti.  It was determined that he was extremely fit, healthy and with no serious medical issues.  The BULLSHIT and fabricated cause of death known as "Excited delirium" was made up by the Policing community to justify murdering citizens, it is as simple as that.   Excited delirium has been used to "excuse and exonerate" law enforcement authorities following the death of detained subjects, a possible "conspiracy or cover-up for brutality" when restraining agitated individuals.  It has not been recognized as a medical or psychiatric diagnosis according to either the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, WHY? because it is BULLSHIT!
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: oldtimer1 on January 24, 2013, 04:57:06 AM
I guess the moral to the story is don't get involved with the police. If you are arrested go quietly and don't resist. Fight the arrest in court if you are innocent.
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: Dr.J on January 24, 2013, 04:59:47 AM
I guess the moral to the story is don't get involved with the police. If you are arrested go quietly and don't resist. Fight the arrest in court if you are innocent.

Yep
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: HTexan on January 24, 2013, 07:12:09 AM


769 people have been killed by TASER as of April 2011.  You take your pick, many of them were tasered multiple times, to suggest that all those people were not healthy and that is some type of justification for murdering them is pretty perverse.

The whole they weren't healthy individuals is BULLSHIT, in Australia here the Police recently TASERED to death a fit, young Brazilian by the name of Roberto Laudisio Curti.  It was determined that he was extremely fit, healthy and with no serious medical issues.  The BULLSHIT and fabricated cause of death known as "Excited delirium" was made up by the Policing community to justify murdering citizens, it is as simple as that.   Excited delirium has been used to "excuse and exonerate" law enforcement authorities following the death of detained subjects, a possible "conspiracy or cover-up for brutality" when restraining agitated individuals.  It has not been recognized as a medical or psychiatric diagnosis according to either the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, WHY? because it is BULLSHIT!

Bah bah bah. Where is the US example?
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: Radical Plato on January 24, 2013, 07:17:16 AM
Bah bah bah. Where is the US example?

WINNFIELD, Louisiana (CNN) -- A police officer shocked a handcuffed Baron "Scooter" Pikes nine times with a Taser after arresting him.

Baron Pikes, 21, was Tasered nine times by a police officer in January in Winnfield, Louisiana.
He stopped twitching after seven, according to a coroner's report. Soon afterward, Pikes was dead.
Now the officer, since fired, could end up facing criminal charges in Pikes' January death after medical examiners ruled it a homicide.
Dr. Randolph Williams, the Winn Parish coroner, told CNN the 21-year-old sawmill worker was jolted so many times by the 50,000-volt Taser that he might have been dead before the last two shocks were delivered.

Williams ruled Pikes' death a homicide

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Here is a few more for starters.

Jan 9, 2009: Derrick Jones, 17, Black, Martinsville, Virginia
Jan 11, 2009: Rodolfo Lepe, 31, Hispanic, Bakersfield, California
Jan 22, 2009: Roger Redden, 52, Caucasian, Soddy Daisy, Tennessee-
Feb 2, 2009: Garrett Jones, 45, Caucasian, Stockton, California
Feb 11, 2009: Richard Lua, 28, Hispanic, San Jose, California
Feb 13, 2009: Rudolph Byrd, 37, Black, Thomasville, Georgia
Feb 13, 2009: Michael Jones, 43, Black, Iberia, Louisiana
Feb 14, 2009: Chenard Kierre Winfield, 32, Black, Los Angeles, California
Feb 28, 2009: Robert Lee Welch, 40, Caucasian, Conroe, Texas
Mar 22, 2009: Brett Elder, 15, Caucasian, Bay City, Michigan
Mar 26, 2009: Marcus D. Moore, 40, Black, Freeport, Illinois
Apr 1, 2009: John J. Meier Jr., 48, Caucasian, Tamarac, Florida
Apr 6, 2009: Ricardo Varela, 41, Hispanic, Fresno, California
Apr 10, 2009: Robert Mitchell, 16, Black, Detroit, Michigan
Apr 13, 2009: Craig Prescott, 38, Black, Modesto, California
Apr 16, 2009: Gary A. Decker, 50, Black, Tuscon, Arizona
Apr 18, 2009: Michael Jacobs Jr., 24, Black, Fort Worth, Texas
Apr 30, 2009: Kevin LaDay, 35, Black, Lumberton, Texas
May 4, 2009: Gilbert Tafoya, 53, Caucasian, Holbrook, Arizona
May 17, 2009: Jamaal Valentine, 27, Black, La Marque, Texas
May 23, 2009: Gregory Rold, 37, Black, Salem, Oregon
Jun 9, 2009: Brian Cardall, 32, Caucasian, Hurricane, Utah
Jun 13, 2009: Dwight Madison, 48, Black, Bel Air, Maryland
Jun 20, 2009 Derrek Kairney, 36, Race: Unknown, South Windsor, Connecticut
Jun 30, 2009, Shawn Iinuma, 37, Asian, Fontana, California
Jul 2, 2009, Rory McKenzie, 25, Black, Bakersfield, California
Jul 20, 2009, Charles Anthony Torrence, 35, Caucasian, Simi Valley, California
Jul 30, 2009, Johnathan Michael Nelson, 27, Caucasian, Riverside County, California
Aug 9, 2009, Terrace Clifton Smith, 52, Black, Moreno Valley, California
Aug 12, 2009, Ernest Ridlehuber, 53, Race: Unknown, Greenville, South Carolina
Aug 14, 2009, Hakim Jackson, 31, Black, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Aug 18, 2009, Ronald Eugene Cobbs, 38, Black, Greensboro, North Carolina
Aug 20, 2009, Francisco Sesate, 36, Hispanic, Mesa, Arizona
Aug 22, 2009, T.J. Nance, 37, Race: Unknown, Arizona City, Arizona
Aug 26, 2009, Miguel Molina, 27, Hispanic, Los Angeles, California
Aug 27, 2009, Manuel Dante Dent, 27, Hispanic, Modesto, California
Sep 3, 2009, Shane Ledbetter, 38, Caucasian, Aurora, Colorado
Sep 16, 2009, Alton Warren Ham, 45, Caucasian, Modesto, California
Sep 19, 2009, Yuceff W. Young II, 21, Black, Brooklyn, Ohio
Sep 21, 2009, Richard Battistata, 44, Hispanic, Laredo, Texas
Sep 28, 2009, Derrick Humbert, 38, Black, Bradenton, Florida
Oct 2, 2009, Rickey Massey, 38, Black, Panama City, Florida
Oct 12, 2009, Christopher John Belknap, 36, Race: Unknown, Ukiah, California
Oct 16, 2009, Frank Cleo Sutphin, 19, Caucasian, San Bernadino, California
Oct 27, 2009, Jeffrey Woodward, 33, Caucasian, Gallatin, Tennessee
Nov 13, 2009, Herman George Knabe, 58, Caucasian, Corpus Christi, Texas
Nov 14, 2009, Darryl Bain, 43, Black, Coram, New York
Nov 16, 2009, Matthew Bolick, 30, Caucasian, East Grand Rapids, Michigan
Nov 19, 2009, Jesus Gillard, 61, Black, Bloomfield Hills, Michigan
Nov 21, 2009, Ronald Petruney, 49, Race: Unknown, Washington, Pennsylvania
Nov 27, 2009, Eddie Buckner, 53, Caucasian, Chattanooga, Tennessee
Dec 11, 2009, Andrew Grande, 33, Caucasian, Oak County, Florida
Dec 11, 2009, Hatchel Pate Adams III, 36, Black, Hampton, Virginia
Dec 11, 2009, Paul Martin Martinez, 36, Hispanic, Roseville, California
Dec 13, 2009, Douglas Boucher, 39, Caucasian, Mason, Ohio
Dec 14, 2009, Linda Hicks, 62, Black, Toledo, Ohio
Dec 19, 2009, Preston Bussey III, 41, Black, Rockledge, Florida
Dec 20, 2009, Michael Hawkins, 39, Caucasian, Springfield, Missouri
Dec 30, 2009, Stephen Palmer, 47, Race: Unknown, Stamford, Connecticut

Jan 6, 2010, Delano Smith, 21, Black, Elkhart, Indiana
Jan 17, 2010, William Bumbrey III, 36, Black, Arlington, Virginia
Jan 20, 2010, Kelly Brinson, 45, Race: Unknown, Cincinnati, Ohio
Jan 27, 2010, Joe Spruill, Jr., Black, Goldsboro, North Carolina
Jan 28, 2010, Patrick Burns, 50, Caucasian, Sangamon County, Illinois
Jan 28, 2010, Daniel Mingo, 25, Black, Mobile, Alabama
Feb 4, 2010, Mark Morse, 36, Caucasian, Phoenix, Arizona
Mar 4, 2010, Roberto Olivo, 33, Hispanic, Tulare, California
Mar 5, 2010, Christopher Wright, 48, Race: Unknown, Seattle, Washington
Mar 10, 2010, Jaesun Ingles, 31, Black, Midlothian, Illinois
Mar 10, 2010, James Healy Jr., 44, Race: Unknown, Rhinebeck, New York
Mar 20, 2010, Albert Valencia, 31, Hispanic, Downey, California
Apr 10, 2010, Daniel Joseph Barga, 24, Caucasian, Cornelius, Oregon
Apr 30, 2010, Adil Jouamai, 32, Moroccan, Arlington, Virginia
May 9, 2010, Audreacus Davis, 29, Black, Atlanta, Georgia
May 14, 2010, Sukeba Olawunmi, 39, Race: Unknown, Atlanta, Georgia
May 24, 2010, Efrain Carrion, 35, Hispanic, Middletown, Connecticut
May 27, 2010, Carl Johnson, 48, Caucasian, Baltimore, Maryland
May 29, 2010, Jose Martinez, 53, Hispanic, Waukegan, Illinois
May 31, 2010, Anastasio Hernández Rojas, 42, Hispanic, San Ysidro, California
Jun 8, 2010, Terrelle Houston, 22, Black, Hempstead, Texas
Jun 12, 2010, Curtis Robinson, 34, Black, Albuquerque, New Mexico
Jun 13, 2010, William Owens, 17, Race: Unknown, Homewood, Alabama
Jun 14, 2010, Jose Alfredo Jimenez, 42, Hispanic, Harris County, Texas
Jun 15, 2010, Michael White, 47, Black, Vallejo, California
Jun 22, 2010, Daniel Sylvester, 35, Caucasian, Crescent City, California
July 5, 2010, Damon Falls, 31, Black, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
July 5, 2010, Edmund Gutierrez, 22, Hispanic, Imperial, California
July 8, 2010, Phyllis Owens, 87, Race: Unknown, Clackamas County, Oregon
July 9, 2010, Marvin Booker, 56, Race: Black, Denver, Colorado
July 12, 2010, Anibal Rosario-Rodriguez, 61, Hispanic, New Britain, Connecticut
July 15, 2010, Jerome Gill, Race: Unknown, Chicago, Illinois
July 18, 2010, Edward Stephenson, 46, Race: Unknown, Leavenworth, Kansas
July 23, 2010, Jermaine Williams, 30, Black, Cleveland, Mississippi
Aug 1, 2010, Dennis Sandras, 49, Race: Unknown, Houma, Louisiana
Aug 9, 2010, Andrew Torres, 39, Hispanic, Greenville, South Carolina
Aug 18, 2010, Martin Harrison, 50, Caucasian, Dublin, California
Aug 19, 2010, Adam Disalvo, 30, Caucasian, Daytona Beach, Florida
Aug 20, 2010, Stanley Jackson, 31, Black, Washtenaw County, Michigan
Aug 24, 2010, Michael Ford, 50, Black, Livonia, Michigan
Aug 25, 2010, Eduardo Hernandez-Lopez, 21, Hispanic, Las Vegas, Nevada
Aug 31, 2010, King Hoover, 27, Black, Spanaway, Washington
Sep 4, 2010, Adam Colliers, 25, Caucasian, Gold Bar, Washington
Sep 10, 2010, Larry Rubio, 20, Race: Unknown, Leemore, California
Sep 12, 2010, Freddie Lockett, 30, Black, Dallas, Texas
Sep 16, 2010, Gary L. Grossenbacher, 48, Race: Unknown, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Sep 18, 2010, David Cornelius Smith, 28, Black, Minneapolis, Minnesota
Sep 18, 2010, Joseph Frank Kennedy, 48, Caucasian, La Mirada, California
Oct 4, 2010, Javon Rakestrau, 28, Black, Lafayette Parish, Louisiana
Oct 7, 2010, Patrick Johnson, 18, Caucasian, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Oct 12, 2010, Ryan Bain, 31, Caucasian, Billings, Montana
Oct 14, 2010, Karreem Ali, 65, Black, Silver Spring, Maryland
Oct 19, 2010, Troy Hooftallen, 36, Caucasian, Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania
Nov 4, 2010, Eugene Lamott Allen, 40, Race: Unknown, Wilmington, Delaware
Nov 6, 2010, Robert Neill, Jr., 61, Caucasian, Mount Joy, Pennsylvania
Nov 7, 2010, Mark Shaver, 32, Caucasian, Brimfield, Ohio
Nov 23, 2010, Denevious Thomas, 36, Black, Albany, Georgia
Nov 26, 2010, Rodney Green, 36, Black, Waco, Texas
Nov 27, 2010, Blaine McElroy, 37, Race: Unknown, Jackson County, Mississippi
Dec 2, 2010, Clayton Early James, Age: Unknown, Race: Unknown, Elizabeth City, North Carolina
Dec 11, 2010, Anthony Jones, 44, Race: Unknown, Las Vegas, Nevada
Dec 12, 2010, Linel Lormeus, 26, Black, Naples, Florida
Dec 20, 2010, Christopher Knight, 35, Black, Brunswick, Georgia
Dec 31, 2010, Rodney Brown, 40, Black, Cleveland, Ohio

Jan 5, 2011, Kelly Sinclair, 41, Race: Unknown, Amarillo, Texas
Feb 5, 2011, Robert Ricks, 23, Black, Alexandria, Louisiana
March 15, 2011, Brandon Bethea, 24, Black, Harnett County, North Carolina
Apr 3, 2011, Jairious McGhee, 23, Black, Tampa, Florida
Apr 22, 2011, Adam Spencer Johnson, 33, Caucasian, Orlando, Florida
Apr 23, 2011, Ronald Armstrong, 43, Race: Unknown, Pinehurst, North Carolina
Apr 25, 2011, Kevin Darius Campbell, 39, Race: Unknown, Tallahassee, Florida
May 1, 2011, Marcus Brown, 26, Black, Waterbury, Connecticut
May 6, 2011, Matthew Mittelstadt, 56, Caucasian, Boundary County, Idaho
May 11, 2011, Allen Kephart, 43, Caucasian, San Bernadino County, California
June 13, 2011, Howard Hammon, 41, Caucasian, Middleburg, Ohio
June 22, 2011, Otto Kolberg, 55, Caucasian, Waycross, Georgia
June 28, 2011, Dalric East, 40, Black, Montgomery County, Maryland
July 5, 2011, Kelly Thomas, 37, Caucasian, Fullerton, California
July 10, 2011, Joshua Nossoughi, 32, Caucasian, Springfield, Missouri
July 19, 2011, Alonzo Ashley, 29, Black, Denver, Colorado
July 21, 2011, La'Reko Williams, 21, Black, Charlotte, North Carolina
July 30, 2011, Donald Murray, 39, Caucasian, Westland, Michigan
August 4, 2011, Pierre Abernathy, 30, Black, San Antonio, Texas
August 6, 2011, Everette Howard, 18, Black, Cincinnati, Ohio
August 6, 2011, Debro Wilkerson, 29, Black, Prince William County, Maryland
August 6, 2011, Gregory Kralovetz, 50, Caucasian, Kaukauna, Wisconsin
August 12, 2011, Joseph Lopez, 49, Hispanic, Santa Barbara, California
August 17, 2011, Roger Chandler, 41, Caucasian, Helena, Montana
August 21, 2011, Montalito McKissick, 37, Black, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
August 24, 2011, Michael Evans, 56, Race: Unknown, Fayetteville, North Carolina
August 30, 2011, Nicholas Koscielniak, 27, Caucasian, Lancaster, New York
September 11, 2011, Tyree Sinclair, 31, Black, Corpus Christi, Texas
September 13, 2011, Damon Barnett, 44, Caucasian, Fresno, California
September 17, 2011, Richard Kokenos, 27, Caucasian, Warren, Michigan
September 24, 2011, Bradford Gibson, 35, Black, Mt. Pleasant, Michigan
September 24, 2011, Donacio Rendon, 43, Race: Unknown, Lubbock, Texas
September 29, 2011, Howard Cook, 35, Black, York, Pennsylvania
October 4, 2011, Glenn Norman, 46, Caucasian, Camden County, Missouri
October 9, 2011, Darnell Hutchinson, 32, Black, San Leandro, California
October 31, 2011, Chad Brothers, 32, Caucasian, Colonie, New York
November 6, 2011, Darrin Hanna, 43, Black, North Chicago, Illinois
November 13, 2011, Ronald Cristiano, 51, Caucasian, Bridgeport, Connecticut
November 15, 2011, Jonathan White, 29, Black, San Bernardino, California
November 22, 2011, Roger Anthony, 61, Black, Scotland Neck, North Carolina
December 16, 2011, Marty Atencio, 44, Hispanic, Phoenix, Arizona
December 22, 2011, Wayne Williams, 27, Black, Houma, Louisiana
January 15, 2012, Daniel Guerra, 24, Hispanic, Ft. Worth, Texas
February 29, 2012, Raymond Allen, 34, Black, Galveston, Texas
March 5, 2012, Nehemiah Dillard, 29, Black, Gainesville, Florida
March 12, 2012, Jersey Green, 37, Black, Aurora, Illinois
March 19, 2012, James Barnes, 38, Caucasian, Pinellas County, Florida
April 10, 2012, Bobby Merrill, 38, Black, Saginaw, Michigan
April 21, 2012, Angel Heraldo, 41, Hispanic, Meriden, Connecticut
April 22, 2012, Bruce Chrestensen, 52, Caucasian, Grass Valley, California
May 10, 2012, Damon Abraham, 34, Black, Baldwin, Louisiana
June 9, 2012, Randolph Bonvillian, 41, Caucasian, Houma, Louisiana
June 20, 2012, Macadam Mason, 39, Caucasian, Thetford, Vermont
June 30, 2012, Victor Duffy, 25, Black, Tukwila, Washington
July 1, 2012, Corey McGinnis, 35, Black, Cincinnati, Ohio
July 5, 2012, Sampson Castellane, 29, Native American, Fife, Washington
September 1, 2012, Denis Chabot, 38, Caucasian, Houston, Texas
September 14, 2012, Bill Williams, 60, Caucasian, Everett, Washington
November 29, 2012, Robert Maurina, 46, Caucasian, West Allis, Wisconsin
December 13, 2012, Philip Coleman, 38, Black, Chicago, Illinois
January 1, 2013, Andrew Layton, 26, Caucasian, Mankato, Minnesota
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: Howard on January 24, 2013, 07:48:55 AM
I guess the moral to the story is don't get involved with the police. If you are arrested go quietly and don't resist. Fight the arrest in court if you are innocent.

bingo!!! and exactly what I would do.

ya gotta admit that any hardcore bodybuilder is a threat to the national security. why?
Bodybuilders eat a lot and thus they fart a lot which could be a dangerous form of biological weapons.
This is why I think police should Tazer more fat chicks.
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: oldtimer1 on January 24, 2013, 07:59:22 AM
These "stats" are comprised from Amnesty International.  They are suspect in their motivation and factual content. The other widely used statistics are from the Electronic village which is another source some would question. Tasers have been used on humans 2 million times. Many use the same source of stats to say pepper spray is fatal in some instances. Are there fatalities after the use of tasers, batons and pepper spray? Absolutely true.  A lot of people who resist arrest are often drunk, on drugs, mentally unstable and violent.  Did you know in training in many jurisdictions cops can't get certified to carry pepper spray or a taser until it is used on them?

  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1843180
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/222981.pdf
Title: Re: Bodybuilder died after four taser shocks
Post by: Radical Plato on January 24, 2013, 08:24:23 AM
These "stats" are comprised from Amnesty International.  They are suspect in their motivation and factual content. The other widely used statistics are from the Electronic village which is another source some would question. Tasers have been used on humans 2 million times. Many use the same source of stats to say pepper spray is fatal in some instances. Are there fatalities after the use of tasers, batons and pepper spray? Absolutely true.  A lot of people who resist arrest are often drunk, on drugs, mentally unstable and violent.  Did you know in training in many jurisdictions cops can't get certified to carry pepper spray or a taser until it is used on them?

  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1843180
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/222981.pdf

Oh, the old hey everyone gather round and everyone hold Sergeant Cocksuckers hands while we taser him and gently lower him to the ground.  Their you go everyone, their is a replication of a real life TASER usage.  See, that's not so bad is it.  You PIGS aren't fooling anyone,   I notice that when these taser demonstrations go wrong on Police officers and they are injured, the first thing the force does is start to slander any officer who complains about it.  Nick Dial and many others have been injured during these demonstrations, and found out the hard way why police are called PIGS!  I always laugh when Police talk about how dangerous their job is, it isn't even in the TOP 10 of most dangerous jobs, and Police carry an arsenal of weapons.  Being a Police Officer is a suitable trade for a sociopath with great lying skills.  The better a liar he is, and the less of a conscience they have will see them rise up the ranks very quickly.

When you taser a few policemen to death, just to even up the score, then people might start to feel sorry for them, until then they are just highly organised criminals!  A policemans defence lies in painting everyone he assaults, tasers, shoots or kills as a non human being.  Policemen are highly skilled at dehumanising people and justifying torture in the name of justice.  Police suck and so do TASER!


Police Officer Speaks Out Against Taser

http://www.noonehastodietomorrow.com/agenda/policestate/605?task=view (http://www.noonehastodietomorrow.com/agenda/policestate/605?task=view)