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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Matt on August 09, 2022, 12:45:19 PM
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Video from Ron Harris, from four weeks ago.
I feel like Getbig wouldn't have missed this news before, but maybe with so many more bodybuilders coming down with health issues, it's hard to catch them all.
This news sucks - Frank is only 44 [today is his birthday]!
Frank had a 29" waist at 230-lb [he's 5'11"]. Such a small waist is basically unheard of on a modern IFBB pro:
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Always had one of the best builds imo. That’s to bad.
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Played and lost…..happens!
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Played and lost…..happens!
Damn shame. Is there a specific steroid that causes kidney issues, or is this a diuretics/cutting agent risk?
Just after the 15-minute mark, Frank says he was born with one kidney, but didn't find out until he was in his twenties. ???
So might some Getbiggers have only one kidney and not even know it?
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They’ve recently found a link between Anadrol and kidney failure. Everybody’s been talking about it. It’s brutal yet true.
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At about 16:30, Frank says that he is on dialysis, three times a week, four hours per session.
He also says he is 240-lb.
So...is it safe to say he is on a compound with a higher safety profile, like testosterone?
Frank's Instagram page:
https://instagram.com/frank_mcgrath78
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They’ve recently found a link between Anadrol and kidney failure. Everybody’s been talking about it. It’s brutal yet true.
Really? Anadrol and kidney FAILURE?
We just went and WOOOOOSH, jumped right through kidney problems, straight to failure?
I am currently using 16mg daily. I kept tinkering with a low dose until I felt no side effects, and only effects.
I also used 12.5mg daily for 30 days with success.
Is Anadrol SO toxic, that even such low doses are dangerous?
I'll talk to my doctor about it tomorrow [I have a date tonight], but I wasn't going to stay on for more than another month anyway.
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At about 16:30, Frank says that he is on dialysis, three times a week, four hours per session.
He also says he is 240-lb.
So...is it safe to say he is on a compound with a higher safety profile, like testosterone?
Frank's Instagram page:
https://instagram.com/frank_mcgrath78
Sounds like Tom “I will never drop below 250” Prince
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Really? Anadrol and kidney FAILURE?
We just went and WOOOOOSH, jumped right through kidney problems, straight to failure?
I am currently using 16mg daily. I kept tinkering with a low dose until I felt no side effects, and only effects.
I also used 12.5mg daily for 30 days with success.
Is Anadrol SO toxic, that even such low doses are dangerous?
I'll talk to my doctor about it tomorrow [I have a date tonight], but I wasn't going to stay on for more than another month anyway.
I’m just messing with you, Matty. Cruel joke I know. I know you’re kind of a hypochondriac. You’re blowing up on that stuff. Great progress
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Sounds like Tom “I will never drop below 250” Prince
Then he looked like a shirt in a coat hanger in that 2019 Shawn Ray interview?
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I’m just messing with you, Matty. Cruel joke I know. I know you’re kind of a hypochondriac. You’re blowing up on that stuff. Great progress
Yeah, lol.
But it does seem a bit too good to be true.
So if I put on 27-lb on 16mg, would I put on 165-lb if I used 100mg daily, like a friend of mine used? ;D Jk.
It looks like Frank has been on dialysis since at least the start of the year:
I'm sort of surprised this news didn't come up yet.
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They’ve recently found a link between Anadrol and kidney failure. Everybody’s been talking about it. It’s brutal yet true.
What! That's crazy. There is going to be a lot of lawsuits from all the people prescribed anadrol for anemia
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sorry to hear...
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I’m just messing with you, Matty. Cruel joke I know. I know you’re kind of a hypochondriac. You’re blowing up on that stuff. Great progress
;D
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Video from Ron Harris, from four weeks ago.
I feel like Getbig wouldn't have missed this news before, but maybe with so many more bodybuilders coming down with health issues, it's hard to catch them all.
This news sucks - Frank is only 44 [today is his birthday]!
Frank had a 29" waist at 230-lb [he's 5'11"]. Such a small waist is basically unheard of on a modern IFBB pro:
same height and weight as bhanks
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=680401.0;attach=1385871;image)
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same height and weight as bhanks
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=680401.0;attach=1385871;image)
Actually Bhanky is just a little shorter. So he must have more muscle to weigh the same
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Dialysis then straight to the gym.
This idiot will be dead soon.
Hopefully, sooner rather than later.
Why these drug addicts won’t come off and downsize.
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same height and weight as bhanks
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=680401.0;attach=1385871;image)
LOL!
Ok, that was funny. ;D
[No offense, B. Hanks - loved your brother T. Hanks in Forrest Gump]
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whos next ???
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whos next ???
Let’s go with Don Long
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whos next ???
WHERE ARE THE BODIES....
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Gnarly looking shoulder varicosities.
Maybe he'll cure his kidney with a Hankins inspired protocol of testosterone and HGH for maximum cocoon effect.
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He started putting hashtags on IG like renal failure sucks ECT. It's truly a shame. I met him sometime ago at the Arnold and he was a super cool guy. He was really nice to my gf's son let him come behind the table signed some stuff for him..real humble guy
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same height and weight as bhanks
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=680401.0;attach=1385871;image)
Lol.
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Have you seen him lately? (Big as a house and vascular like he used to be!)
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Animal Pak is the true enemy here
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keep it natural。
anti-doping.
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Can't watch an hour long video
Is he going the way of Bostin Lloyd ???
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Play with fire, get burned.
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Damn shame. Is there a specific steroid that causes kidney issues, or is this a diuretics/cutting agent risk?
Just after the 15-minute mark, Frank says he was born with one kidney, but didn't find out until he was in his twenties. ???
So might some Getbiggers have only one kidney and not even know it?
It's most likely from having excessively high blood pressure for years on end.
Abusing diuretics can ruin your kidneys too.
They typically don't do a full body inspection as a child, so it's possible some people don't have both kidneys.
A friend of mine in grade school wasn't allowed to play sports because he only had one kidney. They were afraid he'd injure it.
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It's most likely from having excessively high blood pressure for years on end.
Abusing diuretics can ruin your kidneys too.
They typically don't do a full body inspection as a child, so it's possible some people don't have both kidneys.
A friend of mine in grade school wasn't allowed to play sports because he only had one kidney. They were afraid he'd injure it.
I would have casually asked him which side his kidney was on then I could target it if we ever got into an argument in the lunch line.
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Gnarly looking shoulder varicosities.
Maybe he'll cure his kidney with a Hankins inspired protocol of testosterone and HGH for maximum cocoon effect.
Maybe he can control his own kidney function, but goes to dialysis because the tech is a hottie?
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Maybe he can control his own kidney function, but goes to dialysis because the tech is a hottie?
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McGrath was mention in the Ed Conners book from a few months back, some notes I took for a review back then -
" Bruce Patterson hooked Frank McGrath up with Connors. Frank brought a training partner with him to Venice, but he soon left due to rec drugs and a bad meeting with Lou Ferrigno -
“The one thing I had hoped to do was meet up with Lou Ferrigno, again and reacquaint myself with him, and simply tell him that I had made it, and to thank him for his encouragement, but when I approached him, he gave me a ‘dirty' look and brushed me off. It seems my heroes aren’t heroes at all, and I was very disappointed at that moment.” (training partners's letter to Connors).
Ed sorta says Ferrigno can be an asshole in the book.
McGrath almost died from a blood infection he got on his foot from wearing no socks with dirty sneakers and feet. It ended his BBing career. "
Just thought the dirt feet thing was kinda funny. Ed wasn't giving you great gossip, but he'd throw odd things like that out there.
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(https://c.tenor.com/B847D7grB4IAAAAC/chris-farley-mind-blown.gif)
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I would have casually asked him which side his kidney was on then I could target it if we ever got into an argument in the lunch line.
Haha a good kidney punch and game over man.
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Haha a good kidney punch and game over man.
I got suckered sitting at a bar stool many years ago. Guy hit me hard in the right kidney and I pissed myself and fell to the ground for quite a while. It was horrible.
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I got suckered sitting at a bar stool many years ago. Guy hit me hard in the right kidney and I pissed myself and fell to the ground for quite a while. It was horrible.
Sorry Rob, I shouldn't have hit you.
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……..(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=680401.0;attach=1385932;image)
Hotter than Dutch love.
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Dialysis then straight to the gym.
This idiot will be dead soon.
Hopefully, sooner rather than later.
Why these drug addicts won’t come off and downsize.
Goes easy on him. He’s on denialysis
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Dude has a great physique. Doubtful he's on dialysis because of juice. Seen him in those bodybuilding Mansion shows HD put out and he took me as a guy who was deep into the pain pills. Hope im wrong but he had all the tell tale signs of it. And those pain pill guys if on long enough will always lead to Dialysis imop. Remember when he was at Flew Lewis gym training with Flex? Something was way Off with him. He was way too small for a guy still training with the best of the best. And he wasn't on dialysis then. So what was it? Exactly imop what i stated above.
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ESF made an observation a while back about bodybuilders rec drug use tends to fall into 2 categories: stimulants and opiates. The ones abusing opiates tend to end up in organ failure.
Sucks about McGrath. Though not really a great competitive history he had a sick build. I think most gym bros would rather look like Frank than Ramy, or even Phil or Curry for that matter.
I thought he was in a bad car wreck at one point and damaged his kidney then!?
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Sounds like Tom “I will never drop below 250” Prince
Yep, they all say they are only taking trt yet are only 20lbs down from their heaviest and basically same leanness…….
Levrone went off and shrunk to 180lbs or whatever and he was fine with that. Meanwhile today’s guys I think have lied so much and for so long they become immune to risk and reality. I think they prefer to die big than to live and be normal, mental illness.
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ESF made an observation a while back about bodybuilders rec drug use tends to fall into 2 categories: stimulants and opiates. The ones abusing opiates tend to end up in organ failure.
Sucks about McGrath. Though not really a great competitive history he had a sick build. I think most gym bros would rather look like Frank than Ramy, or even Phil or Curry for that matter.
I thought he was in a bad car wreck at one point and damaged his kidney then!?
Ya stims will most likely be heart and opiates will be kidney failure. Car accident probably got him deep into the opiates and because of the car wreck people in his circle gave him a pass. Not like Antoine who didn't have a reason for doing them. Some believe Tiger Woods has been an opiate addict for decades now. thats why his golf game fell off a cliff by his standards. Dude was constantly complaining about back issues for years. Then getting in accidents high on pills. Dude had the classic signs of a guy chasing doctors to feed his habit.
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Really? Anadrol and kidney FAILURE?
We just went and WOOOOOSH, jumped right through kidney problems, straight to failure?
I am currently using 16mg daily. I kept tinkering with a low dose until I felt no side effects, and only effects.
I also used 12.5mg daily for 30 days with success.
Is Anadrol SO toxic, that even such low doses are dangerous?
I'll talk to my doctor about it tomorrow [I have a date tonight], but I wasn't going to stay on for more than another month anyway.
When someone goes on dialysis it is because their kidneys failed to the point that without dialysis that person will die. Rarely someone on dialysis will recover kidney function. For most folks with end stage renal failure, if they go off dialysis, it takes anywhere from two to three weeks and occasionally longer for a person to die from kidney failure. The good news is death from kidney failure is painless... if you consider that good news.
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I would have casually asked him which side his kidney was on then I could target it if we ever got into an argument in the lunch line.
Hahaha ;D
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Dialysis then straight to the gym.
This idiot will be dead soon.
Hopefully, sooner rather than later.
Why these drug addicts won’t come off and downsize.
Hahaha
The list grows bigger everyday
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Dialysis then straight to the gym.
This idiot will be dead soon.
Hopefully, sooner rather than later.
Why these drug addicts won’t come off and downsize.
100%. Why's he so fucking big at 45yrs old? I saw a video with Branch Warren today and he's still huge. Bodybuilding attracks more mental illness than any other hobby it's not a sport, it's a hobby. These dudes are dying wholesale yet they all think the other guy will die, not them. Mayne Bhank will enlighten us. Since he thinks he's bulletproof and can take drugs year round. Meanwhile he shits blood and has a resting heart rate of 120
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CdsuwlpAcje/
Inspiring!
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This guy is basically on the Bhank plan minus one kidney and the cobbler protocol.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CdsuwlpAcje/
Inspiring!
Says go out and do what you love.
Well, I wonder does he really love it if he's not willing to do it without a boatload of drugs (rec drugs and AAS)?
He didn't even compete that often, even in his prime he only did a couple of mid level shows a year. I mean wtf do you need to be yoked af year round? Im sure it feels great and all but so does having functioning kidneys.
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Mental addiction called Bigorexia, also called Bhanky-rexia
It's real.
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&t=74s just one month ago
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CdsuwlpAcje/
Inspiring!
Makes me want to go out and shorten my life right now!
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(https://external-preview.redd.it/qKwR3j_0TGLRz268CszNfojQvnFoye0xLZ9gIAW4W8M.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=2a6633259baf3d297167bff89e5a4f3cad65f3c9)
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Brutal if true
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That would be bad ass if Animal made him a custom cylinder coffin with an Animal Pak logo on the side. Hardcore! Shark cartilage of peace!
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They inject poison into themselves for years and then act surprised when their bodies shut down.
Reap what you inject…
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(https://external-preview.redd.it/qKwR3j_0TGLRz268CszNfojQvnFoye0xLZ9gIAW4W8M.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=2a6633259baf3d297167bff89e5a4f3cad65f3c9)
How prophetic !!
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That would be bad ass if Animal made him a custom cylinder coffin with an Animal Pak logo on the side. Hardcore! Shark cartilage of peace!
They should make the coffin into a bodybuilding shaped physique that exactly fits McGrath's body!
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They should make the coffin into a bodybuilding shaped physique that exactly fits McGrath's body!
I like it!
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In summary, we present the first series of FSGS in bodybuilders who abused AASs. These patients may present with either asymptomatic proteinuria or full nephrotic syndrome and heterogeneous histologic variants of FSGS. Although these patients responded well to discontinuation of AAS use, weight loss, and RAS blockade, others may progress to ESRD. Elevated lean body mass and long-term AAS abuse should be added to the list of causes of secondary FSGS.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2799287/
Hahaha
The list grows bigger everyday
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Is romano still asking where are the bodies?
(https://www.t-nation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Bio.jpg)
Someone needs to get to the bottom of why the guys up to the 80s were so much healthier.
The golden era dudes are still kicking while the 2010s era guys are dropping like flies.
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500 grams.a day of protein is also very taxing on kidneys.
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500 grams.a day of protein is also very taxing on kidneys.
The sad thing is you don't need anywhere near that, if he kept it between. 8-1g per pound of body weight and filled the rest of his calories with carbs he'd be way better off. Smart coaches like Patrick Tuor knows this and has been applying this to his athletes, as well as George Farah, all that protein is pointless and just causing digestive distress, high levels on ammonia, pressure on the kidneys to filter all that excess protein, Cutler also had it right super high carb, moderate protein.
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Filthy Feet Of Peace
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When he wrote that comment about being buried in a big box he probably thought it was so bad ass, but in truth now that he is continuing the high protein and heavy training it will mean he will die in the coming years from using the dialysis machine improperly.
By that time he will be a a withered skinny man in a small coffin.
Not exactly a smart goal to have though..
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Is romano still asking where are the bodies?
(https://www.t-nation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Bio.jpg)
Someone needs to get to the bottom of why the guys up to the 80s were so much healthier.
The golden era dudes are still kicking while the 2010s era guys are dropping like flies.
There were doctors that supervised cycles then.
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There were doctors that supervised cycles then.
That's true.
Then the insurance companies got involved and a real MD won't touch a person on a full blown cycle.
Which is a shame.
Now you have all these "gurus" that know nothing but bro science and they are ruining people's lives.
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That's true.
Then the insurance companies got involved and a real MD won't touch a person on a full blown cycle.
Which is a shame.
Now you have all these "gurus" that know nothing but bro science and they are ruining people's lives.
Taking a doctor's advice regarding anabolic steroids only works when you follow it. Most folks don't and in the past, many didn't.
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Anybody that abuses boatloads of gear over many years time and never comes off is playing Ruissian roulette.
People speak on how small Arnold got between contests,then BOOM he`d murder everyone and cycle off again.
These guys today don`t cycle cuz they`re scared to lose size when their main concern should be scared to lose a kidney or liver failure or a heart attack..........I can show you the bodies.
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Anybody that abuses boatloads of gear over many years time and never comes off is playing Ruissian roulette.
People speak on how small Arnold got between contests,then BOOM he`d murder everyone and cycle off again.
These guys today don`t cycle cuz they`re scared to lose size when their main concern should be scared to lose a kidney or liver failure or a heart attack..........I can show you the bodies.
Great post, wes.
I think Kevin Levrone did it well. Pros should do that, and just hide away offseason, at the times they feel too small.
It could save their lives.
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He would rather die than looking "normal", nothing new.
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Bodybuilding is not a crime if properly done it is a very healthy activity. All you guys do is bitch about how bad bodybuilding is and why would anyone want to look like that year round if not competing and how they should just quit bodybuilding because it is so dangerous. Why are you guys even here following bodybuilding then?? You are all a bunch of fucking pussies.
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Bodybuilding is not a crime if properly done it is a very healthy activity. All you guys do is bitch about how bad bodybuilding is and why would anyone want to look like that year round if not competing and how they should just quit bodybuilding because it is so dangerous. Why are you guys even here following bodybuilding then?? You are all a bunch of fucking pussies.
Hey fucknut....the guy is 44 and on dialysis......that sound healthy to you ???
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Bodybuilding is not a crime if properly done it is a very healthy activity. All you guys do is bitch about how bad bodybuilding is and why would anyone want to look like that year round if not competing and how they should just quit bodybuilding because it is so dangerous. Why are you guys even here following bodybuilding then?? You are all a bunch of fucking pussies.
Many of us on this board were involved in bodybuilding when the side effects of steroids were not fully known or overly exaggerated in terms of false information. Side effects warned of were liver, testicle atrophy, and hair loss, etc. They only became illegal around 1990. Majority ventured down the road and competed and now are facing the repercussions that steroids have side effects.
Now in the last three years we are seeing the effects play out. Unfortunate. There is use and misuse and since decades went by with everyone looking the other way the impacts are just more vocal.
Bodybuilding is healthy and great for individual discipline to achieve goals. Sadly it’s been overrun by a generation of people jumping on gear after a week of training in the gym, Instagram, and wearing hats sideways with air Jordans.
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Many of us on this board were involved in bodybuilding when the side effects of steroids were not fully known or overly exaggerated in terms of false information. Side effects warned of were liver, testicle atrophy, and hair loss, etc. They only became illegal around 1990. Majority ventured down the road and competed and now are facing the repercussions that steroids have side effects.
Now in the last three years we are seeing the effects play out. Unfortunate. There is use and misuse and since decades went by with everyone looking the other way the impacts are just more vocal.
Bodybuilding is healthy and great for individual discipline to achieve goals. Sadly it’s been overrun by a generation of people jumping on gear after a week of training in the gym, Instagram, and wearing hats sideways with air Jordans.
Well put brother !!
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Bodybuilding is not a crime if properly done it is a very healthy activity. All you guys do is bitch about how bad bodybuilding is and why would anyone want to look like that year round if not competing and how they should just quit bodybuilding because it is so dangerous. Why are you guys even here following bodybuilding then?? You are all a bunch of fucking pussies.
I think everyone here would like to be jacked as fuck year around. But whether it's a good idea or not is another question. Like Moontrane said "there's use and misuse."
Would it have hurt McGrath to come off for 3 or 4 or even 6 months a year? Nope. Would it have prevented his current medical issues? Maybe. Was it a good idea to double down on the gas and painkillers/ recreational drugs? Fuck no.
Your defensiveness leads me to believe you see these stories like Frank's and see the red flags and it hits a little too close to home. You lashing out calling everybody a bunch of pussies sounds like you're living in denial.
Frank seemed like a cool guy. Shit, Id rather be built like him than 99% of the other pro bodybuilders: wide shoulders, massive arms and tiny waist. He wasn't a mass monster so id assume his dosages were more moderate than the guys who are 250, 260, 270 lbs or more. But it doesn't work like that. Some can tolerate it better than others. So this should be a warning to you: you're taking a gamble. Life is full of risks so you can just roll the dice. It's probably wiser to play tge odds though and eat clean, stay away from rec drugs and alcohol, cycle off every 3 or 4 months and keep protein closer to .8 grams per pound.
Frank had a sick build now he's just sick. Come to think of it you're sick quite often too. Never underestimate the power of denial Bhank.
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I think everyone here would like to be jacked as fuck year around. But whether it's a good idea or not is another question. Like Moontrane said "there's use and misuse."
Would it have hurt McGrath to come off for 3 or 4 or even 6 months a year? Nope. Would it have prevented his current medical issues? Maybe. Was it a good idea to double down on the gas and painkillers/ recreational drugs? Fuck no.
Your defensiveness leads me to believe you see these stories like Frank's and see tge red flags hit a little too close to home. You lashing out calling everybody a bunch of pussies sounds like you're living in denial.
Frank seemed like a cool guy. Shit Id rather be built like him than 99% of the other pro bodybuilders: wide shoulders, massive arms and tiny waist. He wasn't a mass monster so id assume his dosages were more moderate than the guys who are 250, 260, 270 lbs or more. But it doesn't work like tgat. Some can tolerate it better than others. So this should be a warning to you: you're taking a gamble. Life is full of risks so just roll the dice.
Frank had a sick build now he's just sick. Come to think of it you're sick quite often too. Never underestimate the power of denial Bhank.
Brutal psychoanalysis
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Sometimes you get the elevator sometimes you get the shaft. Sorry Frankie!!!
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Sometimes you get the elevator sometimes you get the shaft. Sorry Frankie!!!
:D
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I think everyone here would like to be jacked as fuck year around. But whether it's a good idea or not is another question. Like Moontrane said "there's use and misuse."
Would it have hurt McGrath to come off for 3 or 4 or even 6 months a year? Nope. Would it have prevented his current medical issues? Maybe. Was it a good idea to double down on the gas and painkillers/ recreational drugs? Fuck no.
Your defensiveness leads me to believe you see these stories like Frank's and see the red flags and it hits a little too close to home. You lashing out calling everybody a bunch of pussies sounds like you're living in denial.
Frank seemed like a cool guy. Shit, Id rather be built like him than 99% of the other pro bodybuilders: wide shoulders, massive arms and tiny waist. He wasn't a mass monster so id assume his dosages were more moderate than the guys who are 250, 260, 270 lbs or more. But it doesn't work like that. Some can tolerate it better than others. So this should be a warning to you: you're taking a gamble. Life is full of risks so you can just roll the dice. It's probably wiser to play tge odds though and eat clean, stay away from rec drugs and alcohol, cycle off every 3 or 4 months and keep protein closer to .8 grams per pound.
Frank had a sick build now he's just sick. Come to think of it you're sick quite often too. Never underestimate the power of denial Bhank.
Of course he's in denial. Dude says how good he feels meanwhile has a resting heart rate of 120. Nothing to see here, just ignore it. Everyone feels greats all jacked up on gear. I remember feeling like a could actually break through walls. They all feel great until suddenly they don't. Bhank can call me a pussy all he wants. I'll always work out. I don't feel the need to be any certain size anymore. Athletic is fine for me
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Many of us on this board were involved in bodybuilding when the side effects of steroids were not fully known or overly exaggerated in terms of false information. Side effects warned of were liver, testicle atrophy, and hair loss, etc. They only became illegal around 1990. Majority ventured down the road and competed and now are facing the repercussions that steroids have side effects.
Now in the last three years we are seeing the effects play out. Unfortunate. There is use and misuse and since decades went by with everyone looking the other way the impacts are just more vocal.
Bodybuilding is healthy and great for individual discipline to achieve goals. Sadly it’s been overrun by a generation of people jumping on gear after a week of training in the gym, Instagram, and wearing hats sideways with air Jordans.
Hat sideways and air Jordan’s, sounds like a bunch of wiggers and stupid Hebrews
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Of course he's in denial. Dude says how good he feels meanwhile has a resting heart rate of 120. Nothing to see here, just ignore it. Everyone feels greats all jacked up on gear. I remember feeling like a could actually break through walls. They all feel great until suddenly they don't. Bhank can call me a pussy all he wants. I'll always work out. I don't feel the need to be any certain size anymore. Athletic is fine for me
Even if Bhanky doesn’t have the genetics and physique of an amateur bber or even a local gym Rat at 24 hour fitness, at least he’s got the mindset, he’s in denial, 500 mg a wk of test is trt, body all beaten up, but keeps on pushing
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There were doctors that supervised cycles then.
Nonsense.
The difference is they did not stay on 365 days a year.
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Even if Bhanky doesn’t have the genetics and physique of an amateur bber or even a local gym Rat at 24 hour fitness, at least he’s got the mindset, he’s in denial, 500 mg a wk of test is trt, body all beaten up, but keeps on pushing
Yup keep pushing! Warriors don't quit!! Except it's a war on his internal organs not against the iron like he thinks. You have actual members of the forum with their own experiences of health issues from trt. Real trt, not 500mgs. Nobody thinks anything is going to happen to them until it does
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Bodybuilding is not a crime if properly done it is a very healthy activity. All you guys do is bitch about how bad bodybuilding is and why would anyone want to look like that year round if not competing and how they should just quit bodybuilding because it is so dangerous. Why are you guys even here following bodybuilding then?? You are all a bunch of fucking pussies.
McGrath is you in the near future, Bhanky.
We'll miss you when you're gone we surely will.
Please promise to continue posting picks as you circle the drain.
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Nonsense.
The difference is they did not stay on 365 days a year.
Many of them did though.
Just because Arnold and a handful of other successful guys came off for a few months doesn't mean they all did.
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Many of them did though.
Just because Arnold and a handful of other successful guys came off for a few months doesn't mean they all did.
Many have severe health problems too.
The bodies are all around us.
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Many of us on this board were involved in bodybuilding when the side effects of steroids were not fully known or overly exaggerated in terms of false information. Side effects warned of were liver, testicle atrophy, and hair loss, etc. They only became illegal around 1990. Majority ventured down the road and competed and now are facing the repercussions that steroids have side effects.
Now in the last three years we are seeing the effects play out. Unfortunate. There is use and misuse and since decades went by with everyone looking the other way the impacts are just more vocal.
Bodybuilding is healthy and great for individual discipline to achieve goals. Sadly it’s been overrun by a generation of people jumping on gear after a week of training in the gym, Instagram, and wearing hats sideways with air Jordans.
I think everyone here would like to be jacked as fuck year around. But whether it's a good idea or not is another question. Like Moontrane said "there's use and misuse."
Would it have hurt McGrath to come off for 3 or 4 or even 6 months a year? Nope. Would it have prevented his current medical issues? Maybe. Was it a good idea to double down on the gas and painkillers/ recreational drugs? Fuck no.
Your defensiveness leads me to believe you see these stories like Frank's and see the red flags and it hits a little too close to home. You lashing out calling everybody a bunch of pussies sounds like you're living in denial.
Frank seemed like a cool guy. Shit, Id rather be built like him than 99% of the other pro bodybuilders: wide shoulders, massive arms and tiny waist. He wasn't a mass monster so id assume his dosages were more moderate than the guys who are 250, 260, 270 lbs or more. But it doesn't work like that. Some can tolerate it better than others. So this should be a warning to you: you're taking a gamble. Life is full of risks so you can just roll the dice. It's probably wiser to play tge odds though and eat clean, stay away from rec drugs and alcohol, cycle off every 3 or 4 months and keep protein closer to .8 grams per pound.
Frank had a sick build now he's just sick. Come to think of it you're sick quite often too. Never underestimate the power of denial Bhank.
Good posts.
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Many have severe health problems too.
The bodies are all around us.
I agree with your point, but there is so much more to it than that.
People die young all the time. And people have health problems in their 30-40's very regularly.
And there are guys who used massive amounts of gear who are still alive at an old age. Just like there are people who smoke, drink and use drugs for 50-60 years and live to be 80.
There is a balance that can be achieved and i believe 100% that if you are monitored by a qualified Doctor that your life span changes greatly.
Steroids absolutely are dangerous, but the guys we see dying young are abusing a lot more than steroids.
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I agree with your point, but there is so much more to it than that.
People die young all the time. And people have health problems in their 30-40's very regularly.
And there are guys who used massive amounts of gear who are still alive at an old age. Just like there are people who smoke, drink and use drugs for 50-60 years and live to be 80.
There is a balance that can be achieved and i believe 100% that if you are monitored by a qualified Doctor that your life span changes greatly.
Steroids absolutely are dangerous, but the guys we see dying young are abusing a lot more than steroids.
All excellent points.
Messing with your endocrine system is not a good idea at any time though.
The number 1 cause of cancer in the world is cigarette smoking. Do some live to 90 smoking 2 packs a day? Yes. Is it wise? No.
When the doctors are carving you up to remove the cancer you will wish you never smoked.
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All excellent points.
Messing with your endocrine system is not a good idea at any time though.
The number 1 cause of cancer in the world is cigarette smoking. Do some live to 90 smoking 2 packs a day? Yes. Is it wise? No.
When the doctors are carving you up to remove the cancer you will wish you never smoked.
And people who never smoked die of lung cancer too.
It's hard to have absolutes in life.
My best friend in High School died of a heart attack at 20 years old, zero reasons, just a weird phenomenon.
After seeing an Endo for over 12 years, it's surprising how many people who have never used hormones have serious hormonal issues. My mother has been on about 6 different medications for hormonal problems since she was 55. Lived her entire life as healthy as possible.
He's told me a dozen times that my medical profile is better than 99% of his regular patients and i've been using AAS off and on for 20 years.
Both of us could drop dead tomorrow, there is no clear answer.
But yes, i do absolutely agree that being reckless with your health is never a good thing.
People can choose what they want in life. My grandmother had dementia at 70 years old and lived to be 96. She didn't even remember who her family was. My grandfather drank 3 pots of coffee per day, a half-liter of Jim Beam and 2-3 packs of smokes. Lived to be 96 as well and never lost his wits.
There are no absolutes in life.
The issue with these BBer dudes, is they know they need to stop and they won't. They are living in denial. Once you have medical problems you need to resolve them, no questions asked. They all think they are Superman. This is a mental illness problem, not a steroid problem.
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And people who never smoked die of lung cancer too.
It's hard to have absolutes in life.
My best friend in High School died of a heart attack at 20 years old, zero reasons, just a weird phenomenon.
After seeing an Endo for over 12 years, it's surprising how many people who have never used hormones have serious hormonal issues. My mother has been on about 6 different medications for hormonal problems since she was 55. Lived her entire life as healthy as possible.
He's told me a dozen times that my medical profile is better than 99% of his regular patients and i've been using AAS off and on for 20 years.
Both of us could drop dead tomorrow, there is no clear answer.
But yes, i do absolutely agree that being reckless with your health is never a good thing.
People can choose what they want in life. My grandmother had dementia at 70 years old and lived to be 96. She didn't even remember who her family was. My grandfather drank 3 pots of coffee per day, a liter of Jim Beam and 2-3 packs of smokes. Lived to be 96 as well and never lost his wits.
There are no absolutes in life.
The issue with these BBer dudes, is they know they need to stop and they won't. They are living in denial. Once you have medical problems you need to resolve them, no questions asked. They all think they are Superman. This is a mental illness problem, not a steroid problem.
I cannot dispute anything you said.
Bigorexia is what it is. A mental addiction for sure.
Everybody has a neuroses of some sort. Some deal with their neuroses with drugs, alcohol, behaviors, etc.
Regarding your Endo, I'd not feel too good about what he said. His patients don't see him because they are healthy, so you being better than most of his sick patients is faint praise.
If I see an oncologist and he tells me my cancer is much better than most of his other patients I'd not feel good.
Not trying to lay a guilt trip on you but just the fact you need to see an endo for your drug use is not right thinking. It's smart you try to mitigate the risk though. But why even take the risk?
Risk vs.reward. What is the reward? To look swole? Money? Compliments? Women?
We're all young and dumb once but then we grow up (except Bhanky).
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I cannot dispute anything you said.
Bigorexia is what it is. A mental addiction for sure.
Everybody has a neuroses of some sort. Some deal with their neuroses with drugs, alcohol, behaviors, etc.
Regarding your Endo, I'd not feel too good about what he said. His patients don't see him because they are healthy, so you being better than most of his sick patients is faint praise.
If I see an oncologist and he tells me my cancer is much better than most of his other patients I'd not feel good.
Not trying to lay a guilt trip on you but just the fact you need to see an endo for your drug use is not right thinking. It's smart you try to mitigate the risk though. But why even take the risk?
Agree 100%.
I believe steroids add to the mental problem, makes it worse. The first time i used Tren i felt unstoppable, like a God. These drugs do change the way you feel and mess up your mental state in large doses. That's why i regret playing the size game and using large amounts of them for years. But the last 6-7 years i just use a moderate dose. I think it's time to relax on that, as there is no reason for me to use them anymore.
True statement about seeing an endo, but the clients he sees are mainly guys like me who want to track their health, obviously comparing me to someone with a real illness is not a true relation, so you are valid on that statement.
My Endo is a friend i've known for 15 years and i actually served as a study for him. To see the impacts AAS have on a man's body. He was surprised by the results too, because for the beginning of his career he felt AAS were very destructive and they are, but there is a balance.
I've taken a lot of dumb risks in my life and if i could do it all again i probably would never use AAS, but at the same time i'm an example of what is possible if you evaluate the risks. But things may turn much worse as i get older, who knows.
I believe in moderation they are fine, but BBing is not about moderation and i do believe using AAS increases the mental problems with most of these guys. They don't want to be normal, they want to be monsters, at some point they need to wake up, but unfortunately a lot of them don't.
I've seen my Endo just to try and understand what is happening, the same way i get a full physical and health screen for cancer and other illnesses. But overall you are correct, it's not a risk many people should take and i don't group everyone into one basket. Genetics and stupid luck play a lot into our health.
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Agree 100%.
I believe steroids add to the mental problem, makes it worse. The first time i used Tren i felt unstoppable, like a God. These drugs do change the way you feel and mess up your mental state in large doses. That's why i regret playing the size game and using large amounts of them for years. But the last 6-7 years i just use a moderate dose. I think it's time to relax on that, as there is no reason for me to use them anymore.
True statement about seeing an endo, but the clients he sees are mainly guys like me who want to track their health, obviously comparing me to someone with a real illness is not a true relation, so you are valid on that statement.
My Endo is a friend i've known for 15 years and i actually served as a study for him. To see the impacts AAS have on a man's body. He was surprised by the results too, because for the beginning of his career he felt AAS were very destructive and they are, but there is a balance.
I've taken a lot of dumb risks in my life and if i could do it all again i probably would never use AAS, but at the same time i'm an example of what is possible if you evaluate the risks. But things may turn much worse as i get older, who knows.
I believe in moderation they are fine, but BBing is not about moderation and i do believe using AAS increases the mental problems with most of these guys. They don't want to be normal, they want to be monsters, at some point they need to wake up, but unfortunately a lot of them don't.
I've seen my Endo just to try and understand what is happening, the same way i get a full physical and health screen for cancer and other illnesses. But overall you are correct, it's not a risk many people should take and i don't group everyone into one basket. Genetics and stupid luck play a lot into our health.
Did you feel superior only on tren? Was it placebo?
I only used test, and I didn't feel any different even at 1000mg/week. I mean I didn't feel negatively affected but neither positively....no superior feeling, nothing. And the physical effect wasn't overwhelming either. A tad bigger shoulders, a slightly slimer waist. And it was legit test, bought here at the pharmacy.
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Goes easy on him. He’s on denialysis
Bruh - if you made that up, then
(http://media.giphy.com/media/eoxomXXVL2S0E/giphy.gif)
Edit: Oh, and triplets right here..?
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Hey fucknut....the guy is 44 and on dialysis......that sound healthy to you ???
He was born with one kidney he would be on dialysis by now anyway if he never lifted a damn weight
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He was born with one kidney he would be on dialysis by now anyway if he never lifted a damn weight
Oh would he now Nostradamus.....get real....the fact is he did lift weights and lived on boatloads of gear for decades.
Plenty of regular people survive their entire lives with only one functioning kidney................Mi ke Mensa.
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Bruh - if you made that up, then
(http://media.giphy.com/media/eoxomXXVL2S0E/giphy.gif)
Edit: Oh, and triplets right here..?
Taffin, since you're here:
Can you please Photoshop one or both of these photos so that I'm even skinnier in the first picture, and even bigger in the second:
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Oh would he now Nostradamus.....get real....the fact is he did lift weights and lived on boatloads of gear for decades.
Plenty of regular people survive their entire lives with only one functioning kidney................Mi ke Mensa.
Where`s your well thought out retort Mike Mensa......I`ll tell you where it is it`s in the same place as your head........far up your ass.
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Taffin, since you're here:
Can you please Photoshop one or both of these photos so that I'm even skinnier in the first picture, and even bigger in the second:
No need - I found the originals that you changed so we wouldn't be jealous of your progress 8)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/9M43RQWG/ergreg3g434h34h434hh43h4gjj.jpg)
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I`m waiting Hanky...........you big old genius you. ;D
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Where`s your well thought out retort Mike Mensa......I`ll tell you where it is it`s in the same place as your head........far up your ass.
Goes easy on him. He’s on denialysis
Oh lawdy!! Thank you both for the best laugh this week, gentlemen! ;D ;D
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:D
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Taffin, since you're here:
Can you please Photoshop one or both of these photos so that I'm even skinnier in the first picture, and even bigger in the second:
With a few more weeks of training:
(https://i.postimg.cc/4xWpgT1S/mattgains.jpg)
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He was born with one kidney he would be on dialysis by now anyway if he never lifted a damn weight
Oh would he now Nostradamus.....get real....the fact is he did lift weights and lived on boatloads of gear for decades.
Plenty of regular people survive their entire lives with only one functioning kidney................Mi ke Mensa.
Still waiting.
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Yah...Keep taking steroids you fucking morons....
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Bodybuilding is not a crime if properly done it is a very healthy activity. All you guys do is bitch about how bad bodybuilding is and why would anyone want to look like that year round if not competing and how they should just quit bodybuilding because it is so dangerous. Why are you guys even here following bodybuilding then?? You are all a bunch of fucking pussies.
Bro science 101.
Even trt doses reduce lifespan.
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Oh lawdy!! Thank you both for the best laugh this week, gentlemen! ;D ;D
It’s great to have you back
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It’s great to have you back
I`ll second that "Brotha`Bone" !! :D
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Bro science 101.
Even trt doses reduce lifespan.
Living even one day increases your odds for death.
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Oh would he now Nostradamus.....get real....the fact is he did lift weights and lived on boatloads of gear for decades.
Plenty of regular people survive their entire lives with only one functioning kidney................Mi ke Mensa.
(https://giffiles.alphacoders.com/234/23465.gif)
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Matt got HUGE.
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Matt got HUGE.
Word`s out that he`s hung like a parakeet. :D
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It’s great to have you back
Thank you, my brother. I am the pretty much the same, albeit in changed in some ways. Death will do that to a person. Especially after experiencing it so many times. Time to experience life.
I am hoping to be like Wes, a Phoenix of Physical Culture if you will. Thank you again!
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You da man, Scott!
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You da man, Scott!
Thank you, brother! It is good to be seen again, believe me. I spent yesterday at the doctor and now look like I was beaten by a latex wearing Dominatrix, LOL! Bruises bother me not so long as the therapy ultimately works.
I did ask them if with all the blood they have taken if they could clone me so that I could retire but still have a paycheck! ;D They just laughed and said they were working on it. 8)
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The Scott for president........damn good guy and one of the funniest mofos on here. ;D
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The Scott for president........damn good guy and one of the funniest mofos on here. ;D
Your work toward bettering yourself is truly an inspiration for me, Wes. I will never lie to you and would not say as much if it were not so. I will say I have been where we will all go and while I saw nothing, the last time I heard what I needed.
In all ways and for always, be well my friend.
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Your work toward bettering yourself is truly an inspiration for me, Wes. I will never lie to you and would not say as much if it were not so. I will say I have been where we will all go and while I saw nothing, the last time I heard what I needed.
In all ways and for always, be well my friend.
Thanks for that brother.....it means a lot to me coming from you.
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With a few more weeks of training:
(https://i.postimg.cc/4xWpgT1S/mattgains.jpg)
:D
Shopped
Here's a legit pic
(This is making me LOL far too much ;D)
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^^ That's a 26" cannon right there!! ;D
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The Scott for president........damn good guy and one of the funniest mofos on here. ;D
Right - so now I gotta get US residency so I can vote for Scott!! 8)
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^^ That's a 26" cannon right there!! ;D
Imprecise measurements reported to Chad MattC
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Right - so now I gotta get US residency so I can vote for Scott!! 8)
Other than the fact that I can't really "run" (cue bhanky's laughing!), I think I would make an excellent running mate for Mr. Trump. I would not hold back in a debate with the current Vice filledPussbag...
She is one of the few people out there that I know I could actually sound smarter than, LOL!
Because I am.
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Right - so now I gotta get US residency so I can vote for Scott!! 8)
Hey, we take in unwashed masses....come on over. LOL ;D
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No need - I found the originals that you changed so we wouldn't be jealous of your progress 8)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=680401.0;attach=1386515;image)
LOL.
;)
Glad you like it - you actually asked for that a couple of days back - can't recall which thread though, sorry
Thank you for being sorry. I was expecting an apology for this one.
Incredible Photoshop work. But very poor memory. :P
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With a few more weeks of training:
(https://i.postimg.cc/4xWpgT1S/mattgains.jpg)
;D ;D ;D
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Did you feel superior only on tren? Was it placebo?
I only used test, and I didn't feel any different even at 1000mg/week. I mean I didn't feel negatively affected but neither positively....no superior feeling, nothing. And the physical effect wasn't overwhelming either. A tad bigger shoulders, a slightly slimer waist. And it was legit test, bought here at the pharmacy.
I've used Tren many times and it always made me feel very aggressive and unstoppable.
On huge amounts of Test mixed with other AAS i never felt that way.
Halo is similar to Tren but i only used it once. Halo was the only AAS i've used that made me feel rage. Like when you get hit in the nose and just see red and want to destroy things.
My theory is that heavy androgens cause this behavior.
Cheque drops seem to do the same and are common in fighting sports, but i've never used them.
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I've used Tren many times and it always made me feel very aggressive and unstoppable.
On huge amounts of Test mixed with other AAS i never felt that way.
Halo is similar to Tren but i only used it once. Halo was the only AAS i've used that made me feel rage. Like when you get hit in the nose and just see red and want to destroy things.
My theory is that heavy androgens cause this behavior.
Cheque drops seem to do the same and are common in fighting sports, but i've never used them.
Two Strongman I know used Cheque Drops, including what who competed at World's Strongest Man. So they must have some application there too.
Temporary aggression, right?
Did Mike Tyson use them? I believe he was said to have done so.
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Not necessarily AAS that cause direct kidney failure when used in moderation. The body and kidneys can easily assimilate a few CCs of hormones weekly without impact. It's the constant high BP that causes kidneys damage. High cals+carbs+AAS that causes water retention = high blood pressure and kidneys damage over time. Use AAS that does not cause water retention, keep carbs low and you should be able to keep a good blood pressure. Now very high protein consumption is also more taxing on the kidneys. Add to that the usage of painkillers and having one kidney only, for sure the guy was gonna end up on dialysis, just a matter of time. Very sad tho, always seemed like a great chill guy with a sick physique.
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Not necessarily AAS that cause direct kidney failure when used in moderation. The body and kidneys can easily assimilate a few CCs of hormones weekly without impact. It's the constant high BP that causes kidneys damage. High cals+carbs+AAS that causes water retention = high blood pressure and kidneys damage over time. Use AAS that does not cause water retention, keep carbs low and you should be able to keep a good blood pressure. Now very high protein consumption is also more taxing on the kidneys. Add to that the usage of painkillers and having one kidney only, for sure the guy was gonna end up on dialysis, just a matter of time. Very sad tho, always seemed like a great chill guy with a sick physique.
^^This. High blood pressure has been called the silent killer for good reason. You can have it and not know it. I recommend everyone on this board check theirs a few times a week. The monitors are pretty inexpensive.
High protein consumption causes overloading of the body with ammonia- and that has to be gotten rid of somehow. Often it is in the form of uric acid.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31366360/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31366360/)
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I've used Tren many times and it always made me feel very aggressive and unstoppable.
On huge amounts of Test mixed with other AAS i never felt that way.
Halo is similar to Tren but i only used it once. Halo was the only AAS i've used that made me feel rage. Like when you get hit in the nose and just see red and want to destroy things.
My theory is that heavy androgens cause this behavior.
Cheque drops seem to do the same and are common in fighting sports, but i've never used them.
Halo is a fucking monster!!
I can elaborate but I`ll just say you could crush someones skull with your bare hands just because they said good morning !! LOL ;D
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Did Mike Tyson use them? I believe he was said to have done so.
There was conjecture that he might've been given them during the "bite fight". They would take him off his psych meds a decent bit before fights to make him irritable.
Back when MMA was first starting there was a lot of renewed interest in Cheque drops and Halotestin. They're considered good weight class drugs. All the aggression, very little weight gain.
With Cheque drop though, there's a wave to it. There's a peak where you're so ramped up, you feel like a world beater, then a valley where you're so irritable that it's detrimental. A lot of figuring goes into dosing around attempts to beat the valleys.
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Two Strongman I know used Cheque Drops, including what who competed at World's Strongest Man. So they must have some application there too.
Temporary aggression, right?
Did Mike Tyson use them? I believe he was said to have done so.
I used Halo for a few weeks before a powerlifting competition. Was cutting weight and didn't want to sap my strength. Shit was unreal for strength but i felt on edge 24/7. Simple things would trigger this feeling of anger inside me. Not good.
Yeah it's all temporary. Some people claim roid rage is false, but i'm a VERY calm and relaxed person. Tren and Halo made me feel very irritable. That's why i haven't taken Tren in almost 10 years.
Test and Deca make me feel good, no issues there. So that's pretty much all i take anymore, with some Dbol sometimes.
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^^This. High blood pressure has been called the silent killer for good reason. You can have it and not know it. I recommend everyone on this board check theirs a few times a week. The monitors are pretty inexpensive.
High protein consumption causes overloading of the body with ammonia- and that has to be gotten rid of somehow. Often it is in the form of uric acid.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31366360/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31366360/)
AAS abuse causes extremely high BP, no matter how hard you try to avoid it, walking around at 280+ pounds is not good for any human.
My BP always goes up a little on cycle, but more importantly, the minute i get over 230 pounds it gets really bad. Even on Test/Eq my BP is perfect as long as i'm under 220 or so.
There are many factors to this, but drug abuse (AAS, recs, slin, peps), eating insane amounts of food and training with extreme intensity will also work against you over time. Force feeding yourself and gaining massive amounts of weight in a short time is terrible for you.
I haven't had BP problems in years, but i still check my BP once or twice a week in the morning, just to be sure.
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Wholesome -
(https://ia601803.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderPreview.php?id=sim_canine-practice_january-february-1979_6_1&subPrefix=sim_canine-practice_january-february-1979_6_1&itemPath=/24/items/sim_canine-practice_january-february-1979_6_1&server=ia601803.us.archive.org&page=leaf19&fail=preview&&scale=2&rotate=0)(https://ia601706.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderPreview.php?id=sim_canine-practice_may-june-1981_8_3&subPrefix=sim_canine-practice_may-june-1981_8_3&itemPath=/25/items/sim_canine-practice_may-june-1981_8_3&server=ia601706.us.archive.org&page=leaf34&fail=preview&&scale=2&rotate=0).
P.S. - For those wondering, not used in the States anymore, too many problems with dogs (and other animals) being aggressive on them.
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Really? Anadrol and kidney FAILURE?
We just went and WOOOOOSH, jumped right through kidney problems, straight to failure?
I am currently using 16mg daily. I kept tinkering with a low dose until I felt no side effects, and only effects.
I also used 12.5mg daily for 30 days with success.
Is Anadrol SO toxic, that even such low doses are dangerous?
I'll talk to my doctor about it tomorrow [I have a date tonight], but I wasn't going to stay on for more than another month anyway.
Anadrol is prescribed to 80lb children in the 300-400mg/day range for 6-9months.
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Just cause I'm a fan of the old ads -
(https://ia903404.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/5/items/sim_geriatrics_1957-05_12_5/sim_geriatrics_1957-05_12_5_jp2.zip&file=sim_geriatrics_1957-05_12_5_jp2/sim_geriatrics_1957-05_12_5_0031.jp2&id=sim_geriatrics_1957-05_12_5&scale=2&rotate=0).
Great opener on this - "What nature denies, Halotestin may replace" , they knew they were speaking to the Hankins in the audience -
(https://ia601009.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderPreview.php?id=sim_virginia-medical-quarterly-vmq_1971-04_98_4&subPrefix=sim_virginia-medical-quarterly-vmq_1971-04_98_4&itemPath=/13/items/sim_virginia-medical-quarterly-vmq_1971-04_98_4&server=ia601009.us.archive.org&page=leaf13&fail=preview&&scale=2&rotate=0).
(https://ia803400.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderPreview.php?id=sim_urology-digest_1977-03_16_3&subPrefix=sim_urology-digest_1977-03_16_3&itemPath=/29/items/sim_urology-digest_1977-03_16_3&server=ia803400.us.archive.org&page=leaf44&fail=preview&&scale=2&rotate=0).
They get you all ready for a sexual new you, then they tell you your wife has cancer -
(https://ia601709.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderPreview.php?id=sim_contemporary-surgery_1974-03_4_3&subPrefix=sim_contemporary-surgery_1974-03_4_3&itemPath=/21/items/sim_contemporary-surgery_1974-03_4_3&server=ia601709.us.archive.org&page=leaf133&fail=preview&&scale=2&rotate=0)(https://ia601709.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderPreview.php?id=sim_contemporary-surgery_1974-03_4_3&subPrefix=sim_contemporary-surgery_1974-03_4_3&itemPath=/21/items/sim_contemporary-surgery_1974-03_4_3&server=ia601709.us.archive.org&page=leaf134&fail=preview&&scale=2&rotate=0).
The ying and the yang of 1970's steroid ads.
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I've used Tren many times and it always made me feel very aggressive and unstoppable.
On huge amounts of Test mixed with other AAS i never felt that way.
Halo is similar to Tren but i only used it once. Halo was the only AAS i've used that made me feel rage. Like when you get hit in the nose and just see red and want to destroy things.
My theory is that heavy androgens cause this behavior.
Cheque drops seem to do the same and are common in fighting sports, but i've never used them.
Thanx
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I've tried maybe 10 different Halotestin products. Don't know if any were legit as I didn't really notice any mood effects. I wanted the rage but didn't notice it.
Tren has very definite psychoaffective properties. I never acted out on it but I mentally snapped many times but was able to control it, perhaps because the other people in the situations didn't escalate it. I don't know how to explain it but
as I felt myself lose emotional control it felt good, almost euphoric, like I was raging and laughing at the same time.
At other calmer times it just darkened the mood, everything was black, "I want to watch the world burn" type of mood lol. I would always think why I used the shit at all when it made me so negative but then I was doing yet another cycle of it.
There's debate on how "androgenic" tren is. Some say it's 5 times as anabolic and androgenic as test but apparently there is no data supporting these figures. Some "experts" say it's only about half as androgenic as test. There's debate on what causes the psychoaffective properties. Perhaps it has to do with its effect on the glucocorticoid receptor. But it does have very strong libido enhancing effects for many, which could be thought to be due to its androgenicity but some other relatively mildly androgenic steroids like Masteron also boost libido.
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I've tried maybe 10 different Halotestin products. Don't know if any were legit as I didn't really notice any mood effects. I wanted the rage but didn't notice it.
Tren has very definite psychoaffective properties. I never acted out on it but I mentally snapped many times but was able to control it, perhaps because the other people in the situations didn't escalate it. I don't know how to explain it but
as I felt myself lose emotional control it felt good, almost euphoric, like I was raging and laughing at the same time.
At other calmer times it just darkened the mood, everything was black, "I want to watch the world burn" type of mood lol. I would always think why I used the shit at all when it made me so negative but then I was doing yet another cycle of it.
There's debate on how "androgenic" tren is. Some say it's 5 times as anabolic and androgenic as test but apparently there is no data supporting these figures. Some "experts" say it's only about half as androgenic as test. There's debate on what causes the psychoaffective properties. Perhaps it has to do with its effect on the glucocorticoid receptor. But it does have very strong libido enhancing effects for many, which could be thought to be due to its androgenicity but some other relatively mildly androgenic steroids like Masteron also boost libido.
tren causes heartburn
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Those magazine ads are fantastic.
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Rules for long term gear use if you must…
1. Moderate to low doses (keep it more on the lower side)
2. Cycle off once in a while
3. Stay with the safer gear (test, EQ, Deca, etc)
4. No orals
5. Limit or no OTC pain meds (harsher than the gear itself)
6. Moderate protein (I’m below 1gr) I’m between 225-230 and keep it around 180gr
7. Keep your diet relatively clean. I follow my own 80/20-90/10 rule
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I've tried maybe 10 different Halotestin products. Don't know if any were legit as I didn't really notice any mood effects. I wanted the rage but didn't notice it.
Tren has very definite psychoaffective properties. I never acted out on it but I mentally snapped many times but was able to control it, perhaps because the other people in the situations didn't escalate it. I don't know how to explain it but
as I felt myself lose emotional control it felt good, almost euphoric, like I was raging and laughing at the same time.
At other calmer times it just darkened the mood, everything was black, "I want to watch the world burn" type of mood lol. I would always think why I used the shit at all when it made me so negative but then I was doing yet another cycle of it.
There's debate on how "androgenic" tren is. Some say it's 5 times as anabolic and androgenic as test but apparently there is no data supporting these figures. Some "experts" say it's only about half as androgenic as test. There's debate on what causes the psychoaffective properties. Perhaps it has to do with its effect on the glucocorticoid receptor. But it does have very strong libido enhancing effects for many, which could be thought to be due to its androgenicity but some other relatively mildly androgenic steroids like Masteron also boost libido.
The rage i noticed with Halo was in response to something. Not like i was always that way, but i did feel irritable.
Something small would piss me off and i'd get all huffy puffy about it.
It's like it shortened my fuse for bullshit. Made me less tolerant, typically towards people.
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Rules for long term gear use if you must…
1. Moderate to low doses (keep it more on the lower side)
2. Cycle off once in a while
3. Stay with the safer gear (test, EQ, Deca, etc)
4. No orals
5. Limit or no OTC pain meds (harsher than the gear itself)
6. Moderate protein (I’m below 1gr) I’m between 225-230 and keep it around 180gr
7. Keep your diet relatively clean. I follow my own 80/20-90/10 rule
Agree, but i don't think orals are that bad if you use them for 4-6 weeks at a time and don't take too much.
I don't go over 600mg of combined AAS these days.
I'll stay on real TRT, 50mg every 3-4 days. Then for 3-4 months i'll blast 200mg Test with 300mg Deca or Eq.
Watch your BP and weight, no reason to really "bulk" unless you are a serious BBer who wants to compete.
I won't take any sort of anti-inflammatory drugs or pain killers.
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tren causes heartburn
Oh I know. Terrible. If someone hasn't experienced bad heartburn they don't know how miserable it can be lol. I don't know if there is a solution. This problem usually only manifests after years on steroid use, it at least gets way worse over time. What's even worse is Viagra.
The rage i noticed with Halo was in response to something. Not like i was always that way, but i did feel irritable.
Something small would piss me off and i'd get all huffy puffy about it.
It's like it shortened my fuse for bullshit. Made me less tolerant, typically towards people.
It's like that with tren for me. Typically I was a bit stressed out at work with the workload and then some asshole called me a fucking idiot lol. Then there was like a flash of lightning, seeing red as you called it and for a few seconds you lose control lol. It was such a drastic switch in usual demeanor people didn't know what to make of it except tip toe around me after that. A few times they came to apologize to me for being disrespectful :D
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I`m usually a really mellow person but back in the day I was training with my twin cousins down in Florida.....we were all running some gear and training hard.....on the advice of my dealer at the time,he suggested I run some Halo the last three weeks before the contest......told me it would make me as hard as nails.
Anyway I did it for 21 days at 10 mgs. per day......one day while at work,I broke the lace on my workboot,you would have thought it was the end of the world......I went fucking ballistic over this trivial thing for at least 30 minutes.....no control at all.....made Tren seem like nothing.
When we were training I was really aggressive and would yell at my cousins for not spotting me correctly or any other thing that pissed me off......I was perpetually pissed!
Well I won my class and was dry and ripped.........afterward s one of my cousins told me he was glad I was done with the Halo,I said "so am I that shit had me acting like a crazy muthafucker".
He said he felt liked kicking my ass every day....I told him it was a real good thing that he didn`t try it !! :D
I felt like I could run through a wall and was a prick to everyone......totally unlike I normally am.
That shit will make you crazy if you have legit stuff which I did.....early 90`s ampules and all legit orals.
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Agree, but i don't think orals are that bad if you use them for 4-6 weeks at a time and don't take too much.
I don't go over 600mg of combined AAS these days.
I'll stay on real TRT, 50mg every 3-4 days. Then for 3-4 months i'll blast 200mg Test with 300mg Deca or Eq.
Watch your BP and weight, no reason to really "bulk" unless you are a serious BBer who wants to compete.
I won't take any sort of anti-inflammatory drugs or pain killers.
Very sound advices here. I plan on doing the same one day
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Am I the only one who doesn’t think orals are nearly as bad as people say? I would rather run and oral for 8 weeks than drink a 6 pack a couple nights a week. Also I believe in small doses. I don’t believe in taking steroids to get results I believe in taking very small amounts to give a little edge so you know when you hit the gym you are getting a little more than you would naturally.
I thought dbol at 10-15mgs was awesome.
I thought tbol at 20mgs was awesome
I did anadrol at 50mgs a day and that was crazy.
I have a buddy who uses anavar at 20-30mgs a day and loves it.
If you don’t expect to be a monster and take small doses I think it’s fine.
I honestly believe you could take 10mgs of dbol a day for a year and be fine if you eat clean and aren’t a drinker.
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Am I the only one who doesn’t think orals are nearly as bad as people say? I would rather run and oral for 8 weeks than drink a 6 pack a couple nights a week. Also I believe in small doses. I don’t believe in taking steroids to get results I believe in taking very small amounts to give a little edge so you know when you hit the gym you are getting a little more than you would naturally.
I thought dbol at 10-15mgs was awesome.
I thought tbol at 20mgs was awesome
I did anadrol at 50mgs a day and that was crazy.
I have a buddy who uses anavar at 20-300mgs a day and loves it.
If you don’t expect to be a monster and take small doses I think it’s fine.
I honestly believe you could take 10mgs of dbol a day for a year and be fine if you eat clean and aren’t a drinker.
I respond really well to orals but that fucking Halo made me act like I had Tourettes Syndrome. LOL ;D
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I respond really well to orals but that fucking Halo made me act like I had Tourettes Syndrome. LOL ;D
Haha I tried halo for about 2 weeks and it didn’t sit right with me at all, so I get it haha. Also didn’t like winstrol but I loved dbol and tbol at low dose. It’s funny reading things nowadays and people saying dbol minimum 50-100 mgs and tbol 80-100mgs. What the hell do people want. I like to train hard as fuck with a little assistance but seems people do t want to train hard with major assistance. I don’t like the drugs doing the work for me.
With that said I am contemplating a low dose tbol cycle again just 20mgs a day. Not sure though. Will see how things go.
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Haha I tried halo for about 2 weeks and it didn’t sit right with me at all, so I get it haha. Also didn’t like winstrol but I loved dbol and tbol at low dose. It’s funny reading things nowadays and people saying dbol minimum 50-100 mgs and tbol 80-100mgs. What the hell do people want. I like to train hard as fuck with a little assistance but seems people do t want to train hard with major assistance. I don’t like the drugs doing the work for me.
With that said I am contemplating a low dose tbol cycle again just 20mgs a day. Not sure though. Will see how things go.
I got a fucking abcess from Winstrol on my left ass cheek............I`ll never use that shit again.
I`ve been clean for years,just started REAL TRT two weeks ago.
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I got a fucking abcess from Winstrol on my left ass cheek............I`ll never use that shit again.
I`ve been clean for years,just started REAL TRT two weeks ago.
Same here Wes, been clean for 18 years. My buddy recently gave me 100 tbols. Also I have been prescribed trt at 150mgs every 10 days but I don’t take it.someday maybe haha. What’s your dose?
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Same here Wes, been clean for 18 years. My buddy recently gave me 100 tbols. Also I have been prescribed trt at 150mgs every 10 days but I don’t take it.someday maybe haha. What’s your dose?
I went to a clinic who said they could provide me with TRT.....when I went back they told me to see my general practitonoer (sp) which I currently do not have though I do see 3 specialists,so rather than wait until my next appointment in late August, I got some Test and just do 100 mgs. a week......so far.
At my age I`m still an oversexed freak but I figured why not try it.........if I fail to see or feel results,I may increase to 150 mgs. over time but nothing more than that.
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Goes easy on him. He’s on denialysis
;D ;D ;D
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I`m usually a really mellow person but back in the day I was training with my twin cousins down in Florida.....we were all running some gear and training hard.....on the advice of my dealer at the time,he suggested I run some Halo the last three weeks before the contest......told me it would make me as hard as nails.
Anyway I did it for 21 days at 10 mgs. per day......one day while at work,I broke the lace on my workboot,you would have thought it was the end of the world......I went fucking ballistic over this trivial thing for at least 30 minutes.....no control at all.....made Tren seem like nothing.
When we were training I was really aggressive and would yell at my cousins for not spotting me correctly or any other thing that pissed me off......I was perpetually pissed!
Well I won my class and was dry and ripped.........afterward s one of my cousins told me he was glad I was done with the Halo,I said "so am I that shit had me acting like a crazy muthafucker".
He said he felt liked kicking my ass every day....I told him it was a real good thing that he didn`t try it !! :D
I felt like I could run through a wall and was a prick to everyone......totally unlike I normally am.
That shit will make you crazy if you have legit stuff which I did.....early 90`s ampules and all legit orals.
you got nerve westcox was this after malt liquor?
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Agree, but i don't think orals are that bad if you use them for 4-6 weeks at a time and don't take too much.
I don't go over 600mg of combined AAS these days.
I'll stay on real TRT, 50mg every 3-4 days. Then for 3-4 months i'll blast 200mg Test with 300mg Deca or Eq.
Watch your BP and weight, no reason to really "bulk" unless you are a serious BBer who wants to compete.
I won't take any sort of anti-inflammatory drugs or pain killers.
boom, that's a huge contributor to the blown out kidneys and hearts we see. Get on some meds if you have to but walking around w uncontrolled hypertension is gonna cut your lifespan and quality of life short
1/3 americans have it, juice and extra muscle mass dont help
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boom, that's a huge contributor to the blown out kidneys and hearts we see. Get on some meds if you have to but walking around w uncontrolled hypertension is gonna cut your lifespan and quality of life short
1/3 americans have it, juice and extra muscle mass dont help
steroid muscle is unhealthy bunch of plaque in their veins