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Did Reaganomics improve the economy
« on: June 01, 2009, 07:39:39 AM »
in your opinion?

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Re: Did Reaganomics improve the economy
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2009, 07:41:22 AM »
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Re: Did Reaganomics improve the economy
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2009, 08:34:50 AM »
in your opinion?



It saved the economy!!The economy was worse under Carter then it is right now.Sky high inflation,huge unemplyment,sky high interest rates.Reagan saved the country.Carter had the top tax rate at 70% it was 28% when Reagan left.

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Re: Did Reaganomics improve the economy
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2009, 08:48:07 AM »
So, should the US continued Jimmy Carter's policies?  Which was burrying us with inflation, stagflation and unemployment?  If you say yes, you will be in stark opposition to most economics experts.  Carter was our worst president in recent years.

Reagan definitely helped dig us out of Carters mess.  Not everything was great but he helped do what was needed at the time.  In general, the 1980s-late 1990s were a wonderful time for the U.S.  Reagan, Clinton and Bush 1 were all decent presidents who presided under fairly good economic times.

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Re: Did Reaganomics improve the economy
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2009, 12:43:35 PM »
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June 1, 2009

Reagan Did It
By PAUL KRUGMAN

“This bill is the most important legislation for financial institutions in the last 50 years. It provides a long-term solution for troubled thrift institutions. ... All in all, I think we hit the jackpot.” So declared Ronald Reagan in 1982, as he signed the Garn-St. Germain Depository Institutions Act.

He was, as it happened, wrong about solving the problems of the thrifts. On the contrary, the bill turned the modest-sized troubles of savings-and-loan institutions into an utter catastrophe. But he was right about the legislation’s significance. And as for that jackpot — well, it finally came more than 25 years later, in the form of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.

For the more one looks into the origins of the current disaster, the clearer it becomes that the key wrong turn — the turn that made crisis inevitable — took place in the early 1980s, during the Reagan years.

Attacks on Reaganomics usually focus on rising inequality and fiscal irresponsibility. Indeed, Reagan ushered in an era in which a small minority grew vastly rich, while working families saw only meager gains. He also broke with longstanding rules of fiscal prudence.

On the latter point: traditionally, the U.S. government ran significant budget deficits only in times of war or economic emergency. Federal debt as a percentage of G.D.P. fell steadily from the end of World War II until 1980. But indebtedness began rising under Reagan; it fell again in the Clinton years, but resumed its rise under the Bush administration, leaving us ill prepared for the emergency now upon us.

The increase in public debt was, however, dwarfed by the rise in private debt, made possible by financial deregulation. The change in America’s financial rules was Reagan’s biggest legacy. And it’s the gift that keeps on taking.

The immediate effect of Garn-St. Germain, as I said, was to turn the thrifts from a problem into a catastrophe. The S.& L. crisis has been written out of the Reagan hagiography, but the fact is that deregulation in effect gave the industry — whose deposits were federally insured — a license to gamble with taxpayers’ money, at best, or simply to loot it, at worst. By the time the government closed the books on the affair, taxpayers had lost $130 billion, back when that was a lot of money.

But there was also a longer-term effect. Reagan-era legislative changes essentially ended New Deal restrictions on mortgage lending — restrictions that, in particular, limited the ability of families to buy homes without putting a significant amount of money down.

These restrictions were put in place in the 1930s by political leaders who had just experienced a terrible financial crisis, and were trying to prevent another. But by 1980 the memory of the Depression had faded. Government, declared Reagan, is the problem, not the solution; the magic of the marketplace must be set free. And so the precautionary rules were scrapped.

Together with looser lending standards for other kinds of consumer credit, this led to a radical change in American behavior.

We weren’t always a nation of big debts and low savings: in the 1970s Americans saved almost 10 percent of their income, slightly more than in the 1960s. It was only after the Reagan deregulation that thrift gradually disappeared from the American way of life, culminating in the near-zero savings rate that prevailed on the eve of the great crisis. Household debt was only 60 percent of income when Reagan took office, about the same as it was during the Kennedy administration. By 2007 it was up to 119 percent.

All this, we were assured, was a good thing: sure, Americans were piling up debt, and they weren’t putting aside any of their income, but their finances looked fine once you took into account the rising values of their houses and their stock portfolios. Oops.

Now, the proximate causes of today’s economic crisis lie in events that took place long after Reagan left office — in the global savings glut created by surpluses in China and elsewhere, and in the giant housing bubble that savings glut helped inflate.

But it was the explosion of debt over the previous quarter-century that made the U.S. economy so vulnerable. Overstretched borrowers were bound to start defaulting in large numbers once the housing bubble burst and unemployment began to rise.

These defaults in turn wreaked havoc with a financial system that — also mainly thanks to Reagan-era deregulation — took on too much risk with too little capital.


There’s plenty of blame to go around these days. But the prime villains behind the mess we’re in were Reagan and his circle of advisers — men who forgot the lessons of America’s last great financial crisis, and condemned the rest of us to repeat it.
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Re: Did Reaganomics improve the economy
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2009, 01:20:24 PM »
So, should the US continued Jimmy Carter's policies?  Which was burrying us with inflation, stagflation and unemployment?  If you say yes, you will be in stark opposition to most economics experts.  Carter was our worst president in recent years.

Reagan definitely helped dig us out of Carters mess.  Not everything was great but he helped do what was needed at the time.  In general, the 1980s-late 1990s were a wonderful time for the U.S.  Reagan, Clinton and Bush 1 were all decent presidents who presided under fairly good economic times.

There is a reason why those years were called "The Great Expansion".

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Re: Did Reaganomics improve the economy
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2009, 01:45:33 PM »
I'm sure there were some faults with what Reagan did too but we certainly had to change course from Carter.  People that remember those days tell me how horrible it was.

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Re: Did Reaganomics improve the economy
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2009, 02:46:02 PM »
The ONLY thing that the Reagan Administration did to improve the economy was to lower the price of energy and increase it's availability.

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Re: Did Reaganomics improve the economy
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2009, 02:52:30 PM »


NO!

Can you be more stupid? Seriously...is it humanly possible?

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Re: Did Reaganomics improve the economy
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2009, 02:54:39 PM »
The ONLY thing that the Reagan Administration did to improve the economy was to lower the price of energy and increase it's availability.

Huh? the cost of energy dropped because the Arabs found that putting an embargo on the West completely cut off the only stream of revenue they had/have that could prop up their pathetic welfare states and keep themselves in power.

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Re: Did Reaganomics improve the economy
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2009, 03:05:39 PM »
The price of energy DID go down for a very long time.  This was the primary reason for the years of prosperity during and after the Reagan administration.  The decision by OPEC was certainly a factor.  However, Reagan did indeed go into office from the beginning with the idea of lower cost energy and certainly had a hand in the lower energy costs.

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Re: Did Reaganomics improve the economy
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2009, 06:55:34 PM »
I saw that Krugman dilusional piece this morning..nice try paul. I guess the douchebag forgot Carter and the misery index.
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Re: Did Reaganomics improve the economy
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2009, 07:00:18 PM »
I saw that Krugman dilusional piece this morning..nice try paul. I guess the douchebag forgot Carter and the misery index.

Krugman has his moments and this piece certainly wasn't one of them.

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Re: Did Reaganomics improve the economy
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2009, 07:13:45 PM »
Carter is probably the worst president in modern history but arguably the best ex president considering all the humanitarian work.

Reagan lowered taxes enough to let business grow. He'll always have a special place of hatred in the hearts of liberals because the policies worked pretty well.

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Re: Did Reaganomics improve the economy
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2009, 12:25:50 AM »
The cost of energy dropped because Reagan took off those rediculous price caps that were tacked on during the 70s. In the beginning, the prices rose, but those higher prices and higher profits encouraged more investment and more supply, which eventually drove the prices back down BELOW the level that the prices were capped at. It was an elementary lesson in basic economics.  The shortage of oil was not because of the oil embargo anyway.

Reagan spearheaded the greatest period of economic prosperity in world history.
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Re: Did Reaganomics improve the economy
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2009, 12:47:12 AM »
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Reagan ushered in an era in which a small minority grew vastly rich, while working families saw only meager gains.

Those "meager" gains were a lot more than they were before. So who cares if the rich got a lot more rich? You cant have a growing economy without growing inequality.

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But indebtedness began rising under Reagan

But our assets grew 10 times more, and our interest rates stayed low. And we were trying to bankrupt the Soviet Union. Which we did. I would say it was a pretty good investment. It is ok to finance government services with debt if your interest rates stay relatively low and you keep your income and your assets relatively high compared to the debt you are holding. And it is espeacially ok if you are using the debt for a major project that will yield dividends in the future, such as building a highway, winning a major war, or defeating an advesary that you have been fighting for the past 40 years. It is also ok when over half the creditors are US taxpayers.

The financial regulations that were tacked on during the 30s did nothing to help the depression and only made it worse. Taking those off didnt do any harm. It is painfully obvious that this crisis was created because government distorted risk in the mortgage market.

By the way, I know I should be able to compartmentalize certain aspects of a person's intelligence and knowledge - a person can be very smart and knowledgable in one area and very dumb and ignorant in another - but it is hard for me to take serious anything that Krugman says when he beleives that the destruction of Hurrican Katrina had an "upside" because it created jobs.
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Re: Did Reaganomics improve the economy
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2009, 06:17:57 AM »
It saved the economy!!The economy was worse under Carter then it is right now.Sky high inflation,huge unemplyment,sky high interest rates.Reagan saved the country.
What do think about the fact that Reagan ran a budget deficit during the economic boom?
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Re: Did Reaganomics improve the economy
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2009, 06:28:13 AM »
Nice post MM2K, lot of sense there.

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Re: Did Reaganomics improve the economy
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2009, 07:41:23 AM »
Reagan got the Govt. out of business' way. Problem now is that too much of the responsibility has been shifted to the taxpayers, it's gotten worse because so many jobs have been exported and people's standard of living has decreased.

Cheap goods from China and excess available credit lulled us into thinking things weren't really that bad. :)