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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Master Blaster on December 29, 2017, 10:20:18 PM
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Shady doctr? New Age clinic? How do you get a script?
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Any Dr can prescribe. No need to use a special clinic. Just tell them you used "andro" when you were younger.. Or tell them the truth ("I've been using steroids since I was 17") & the Dr will chk ur testosterone. If you're below 350 (or maybe 400.. Or 300 if they're an asshole) they'll write a script for trt. That simple.
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Go on heavy cycle then go off with no pct and your test will be super low from inhibition.....get all bloodwork done at that time...that's how its done.
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Go on heavy cycle then go off with no pct and your test will be super low from inhibition.....get all bloodwork done at that time...that's how its done.
Be sure to wait a month or so.. Else your test levels may come back at 2000 lol
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Anti-aging clinic. It'll cost more but I'd want a doc I can be honest with and who is being honest with me.
I'm no juice guru but I'm not convinced testosterone is the drug to take. It turns into undesirable stuff like DHT and one of the estrogens. It made me less horny since it reduced sperm production and ejaculatory necessity. Depot spots are sore and you're dealing with pretty big needles, or a topical thing that you have to worry about getting on your girl.
If I go back it'll be to discover what effect hcg has. Ramped up as high as my own balls can take me is probably good enough for me, and the cock-squirting is the right kind of side effect, although I liked anavar too since I shoot for the health look.
In b4 r u a fitness chick.
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Any Dr can prescribe. No need to use a special clinic. Just tell them you used "andro" when you were younger.. Or tell them the truth ("I've been using steroids since I was 17") & the Dr will chk ur testosterone. If you're below 350 (or maybe 400.. Or 300 if they're an asshole) they'll write a script for trt. That simple.
Great Topic, thinking about getting some Test for a while.
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Any Dr can prescribe. No need to use a special clinic. Just tell them you used "andro" when you were younger.. Or tell them the truth ("I've been using steroids since I was 17") & the Dr will chk ur testosterone. If you're below 350 (or maybe 400.. Or 300 if they're an asshole) they'll write a script for trt. That simple.
Don't ever tell your doctor that you've been doing steroids since you were 17.
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Anti-aging clinic. It'll cost more but I'd want a doc I can be honest with and who is being honest with me.
I'm no juice guru but I'm not convinced testosterone is the drug to take. It turns into undesirable stuff like DHT and one of the estrogens. It made me less horny since it reduced sperm production and ejaculatory necessity. Depot spots are sore and you're dealing with pretty big needles, or a topical thing that you have to worry about getting on your girl.
If I go back it'll be to discover what effect hcg has. Ramped up as high as my own balls can take me is probably good enough for me, and the cock-squirting is the right kind of side effect, although I liked anavar too since I shoot for the health look.
In b4 r u a fitness chick.
You use the same needles with hcg.
Topical test is absolute garbage.
Block dht conversion with dutasteride. (Or finasteride, but that's been shown to kill sex drive.. Ill stick with dutast),& block estrogen with a 1/4mg arimidex twice a week.
Test= shooting blanks (still shoot loads, just no swimmers in it). No condoms. No pulling out
Hcg= 70% chance I'm having a kid 9months later. 85% chance I'm having one 9.5months later... + shitty estrogen side effects +
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Be sure to wait a month or so.. Else your test levels may come back at 2000 lol
Frankly all bodybuilders should be on trt..It would be like the old days where you really pushed the gear once a year for a show...then go off and back on trt....and if you cant maintain and improve the rest of the year on trt doses, hard training and diet... you're not a bodybuilder..not to mention youd be forced to get bloodwork and health checks a few times a year to avoid the recent tragedies.
Then the IFBB could institute LEGIT year round RANDOM drug testing...As youll be in high/normal all year but legal..get it back on espn and mainstream media with announcement of year round random drug testing and just dont test say 12-16 weeks out from the Olympia(wink wink).
Plus all the legit pharmaceutical goodies like hcg, anti estrogens...BLOOD PRESSURE MEDS,etc.
Can legitimately release press from Manion about year round random drug testing and bodybuilding could be back in business.Back on espn!!!!
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You use the same needles with hcg.
Topical test is absolute garbage.
Block dht conversion with dutasteride. (Or finasteride, but that's been shown to kill sex drive.. Ill stick with dutast),& block estrogen with a 1/4mg arimidex twice a week.
Test= shooting blanks (still shoot loads, just no swimmers in it). No condoms. No pulling out
Hcg= 70% chance I'm having a kid 9months later. 85% chance I'm having one 9.5months later... + shitty estrogen side effects +
so you are not a fan of HCG on TRT?
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You use the same needles with hcg.
Topical test is absolute garbage.
Block dht conversion with dutasteride. (Or finasteride, but that's been shown to kill sex drive.. Ill stick with dutast),& block estrogen with a 1/4mg arimidex twice a week.
Test= shooting blanks (still shoot loads, just no swimmers in it). No condoms. No pulling out
Hcg= 70% chance I'm having a kid 9months later. 85% chance I'm having one 9.5months later... + shitty estrogen side effects +
Slin pin for sub q hcg, duchaine.
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are there any Getbiggers who have never used roids but who now are on TRT?
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so you are not a fan of HCG on TRT?
Not at all. I believe it desensitizes leydigs cells.
I'd much rather use test n save hcg for when I wanna produce another baby.
I know a lotta guys who never had gyno, do a shot of hcg n all of a sudden have bad flare ups.
Plus acne.
Just use test and control estrogen n dnt. Simple
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Spectrum in FL...
They do online blood-work testing to see if you qualify then a licensed doctor prescribes whats necessary.
My friend uses them..
https://spectrumhrt.com/
Call and ask for Jessie
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Go on heavy cycle then go off with no pct and your test will be super low from inhibition.....get all bloodwork done at that time...that's how its done.
I like that plan. Having a good doctor/endocrinologist helps. With good health insurance, most of the cost should be covered by the plan.
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Not at all. I believe it desensitizes leydigs cells.
I'd much rather use test n save hcg for when I wanna produce another baby.
I know a lotta guys who never had gyno, do a shot of hcg n all of a sudden have bad flare ups.
Plus acne.
Just use test and control estrogen n dnt. Simple
THANKS.
I am years away but i would consider
100mg of test weekly
.25mg arimidex every few days
2IU HGH daily
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Go on heavy cycle then go off with no pct and your test will be super low from inhibition.....get all bloodwork done at that time...that's how its done.
Large amounts of distance running can also lower your testosterone levels. This is common among marathon runners.
The theory is that the body can only burn so many calories a day regardless of how much you eat. So if you go over the limit your body gets energy by slowing down other functions, testosterone production being one of them.
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Test= shooting blanks (still shoot loads, just no swimmers in it). No condoms. No pulling out
Hcg= 70% chance I'm having a kid 9months later. 85% chance I'm having one 9.5months later... + shitty estrogen side effects +
I remember when you said you made a girl pregnant after a shot or 2 of hcg. Bostin Loyd made his girl pregnant
after 2 weeks of hcg + hmg. I did some reading on this and asked around and it appears it takes 2 months to
produce mature viable sperm so hcg can't possibly work that quickly if shooting blanks. So you were probably
fertile without the hcg. What do you think, am I off on this? I mean we know some people don't get infertile from steroids.
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THANKS.
I am years away but i would consider
100mg of test weekly
.25mg arimidex every few days
2IU HGH daily
Adex can hit your lipids hard. On 100mg's you should be fine without it.
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Adex can hit your lipids hard. On 100mg's you should be fine without it.
Is that amount of test enough to make a significant difference? From my understanding, you’re supposed to take enough to account for the shutdown of the body’s natural production.
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Is that amount of test enough to make a significant difference? From my understanding, you’re supposed to take enough to account for the shutdown of the body’s natural production.
It all begins with blood work. If you have a test level of 300 and 100mg's pushes you to 1100 (peak) thats a little above the top range in most US tests. Everyone's sensitivity differs but Dr's will try to keep you in or close to range.
Depending on age gh can take this to a whole new level.
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I remember when you said you made a girl pregnant after a shot or 2 of hcg. Bostin Loyd made his girl pregnant
after 2 weeks of hcg + hmg. I did some reading on this and asked around and it appears it takes 2 months to
produce mature viable sperm so hcg can't possibly work that quickly if shooting blanks. So you were probably
fertile without the hcg. What do you think, am I off on this? I mean we know some people don't get infertile from steroids.
I’d say everyone is different and everyone’s body reacts completely different so one never knows what’s doing what in reality.
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It is a Requirement in the USA to have blood work done before TRT can be provided.
What constitutes as "low" enough levels is up to the lab/medical practice you visit.
The lab I used was in Miami and I faxed them my blood work and they put me on 200mg Test E / week 10 weeks.
They will over price everything.
More inexpensive to just go black market.
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It is a Requirement in the USA to have blood work done before TRT can be provided.
What constitutes as "low" enough levels is up to the lab/medical practice you visit.
The lab I used was in Miami and I faxed them my blood work and they put me on 200mg Test E / week 10 weeks.
They will over price everything.
More inexpensive to just go black market.
Depends on who u go to. TRT clinic is better than traditional care physician reference.
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Depends on who u go to. TRT clinic is better than traditional care physician reference.
Not where I live. They charge in the thousands monthly at the TRT clinic here. In fact they administer the shot, hell you don't even get to take the bottle of test with you.
THe lab I used placed an order with the pharmacy they work with and I was mailed the bottle of test. I wanna say it was about $300+ just for that.
They require blood work before every cycle which can drive the cost up even more.
Like I said, black market is much less expensive. But I'd still recommend getting blood work done at least once a year.
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Spectrum in FL...
They do online blood-work testing to see if you qualify then a licensed doctor prescribes whats necessary.
My friend uses them..
https://spectrumhrt.com/
Call and ask for Jessie
I'm in Florida, have any idea how much does it cost to blood work plus consultation, Man?
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Not where I live. They charge in the thousands monthly at the TRT clinic here. In fact they administer the shot, hell you don't even get to take the bottle of test with you.
THe lab I used placed an order with the pharmacy they work with and I was mailed the bottle of test. I wanna say it was about $300+ just for that.
They require blood work before every cycle which can drive the cost up even more.
Like I said, black market is much less expensive. But I'd still recommend getting blood work done at least once a year.
lmfaoo that place should be shot up for such outrageous prices. Where i'm from you can get a bottle of cyp for 30 dollars. The places that do the shots for you tend to be more expensive because they literally charge you for that.
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Not where I live. They charge in the thousands monthly at the TRT clinic here. In fact they administer the shot, hell you don't even get to take the bottle of test with you.
THe lab I used placed an order with the pharmacy they work with and I was mailed the bottle of test. I wanna say it was about $300+ just for that.
They require blood work before every cycle which can drive the cost up even more.
Like I said, black market is much less expensive. But I'd still recommend getting blood work done at least once a year.
Black Market legit gotta be hard to get good stuff
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lmfaoo that place should be shot up for such outrageous prices. Where i'm from you can get a bottle of cyp for 30 dollars. The places that do the shots for you tend to be more expensive because they literally charge you for that.
I live in a backwards ass, trailer trash , poduck town so the locals here are easy to fleece.
Plus, if you're into rejuvenation/TRT they're the only show in town
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Black Market legit gotta be hard to get good stuff
Not necessarily, there's places with good solid reps and reviews of people actually posting their blood work during cycle to vouch for the legitimacy of several labs.
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Not necessarily, there's places with good solid reps and reviews of people actually posting their blood work during cycle to vouch for the legitimacy of several labs.
I just wanna do something pretty small, like 1 cc a week, but for some reason read that most of the black market stuff around is underdosed or have other esters :(
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Go to a clinic. Here in S FL, the biggest are The Center, Royal Men's Medical Center, Genesis, The Program, and Men's Center.
Varies between $149-$199 per month. Standard protocol is 200mg Test Cyp weekly, 50ius of HCG twice a week, 1mg of arimidex weekly.
All labs and doctor visits covered in the monthly cost. Labs 2x a year, and doctor visit once a year.
The two biggest benefits is that the docs are hip and AAS knowledgeable so if you are having problems in some other area (thyroid, prostate, cholesterol, etc..) they can send you to doctors they know of with experience treating AAS patients. The second and best benefit is your shit is legal. You can travel with it, etc... don't have to worry about your girl calling the po-pos on you and showing them your stash just because she is bitchy, etc...
Save your old test vials like I do so when I travel to Thailand, Bali or India, I can fill them with whatever the fuck I want bring back with me. No questions asked because it has a legit label on the bottle.
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The pellets are the bomb, get shot up every 4 months.
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call and ask.. no clue.. but you don't even have to go to the office.. they can mail you all the required testing
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I've been on HRT for about 12 years now. Every ten weeks I get a 10 ml bottle of Test Cyp (200mgs per ml), 20 capsules of 0.5mg Arimidex (I take one capsule on sunday night and the other capsule on wednesday night, I inject 1 cc (200mgs of Cyp every friday morning) and a bottle of HCG which I never use.
I get annual blood work and when they do draw blood annually, they draw it 7 days from my last shot. Results are always with a test level of around 1000. My buddy was taking 100mgs a week and his test levels 7 days after injection were around 450. 100mgs per week of test is not enough in my opinion. 200mgs per week is just fine as my hematocrit levels never go out of range. I pay around $450 every ten weeks for the above protocol. Has changed my life. Allows me to recover and maintain mass on low calories.
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I go to a clinic, docs are real cool there, they are looking to put you at optimal levels. Im on 200 test cyp a week, along with hcg and arimidex, they do labs every 3 months, but can request labs anytime free of charge, I'm always in the 1000-1200 range. It cost $200 a month. Never did any steroids before this, I've added about 18 pounds this year, main things I've noticed is better fullness, recovery, energy, sex drive. To keep my levels high and consistent they had me split my test shots twice a week, 3 days a week hcg injections, and 2 days I take arimidex. This way you are getting a boost in test everyday.
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Don't ever tell your doctor that you've been doing steroids since you were 17.
Why? Makes absolutely no difference to them WHY you need hrt (aside from ruling out cancer/pituitary tumors).
My 1st hrt script was at 23 from a gp. Then hrt all through prison (went through about 5 Drs in there. Bummed the 1st got fired since she gave nice back massages every few wks lol... That's another story) with bloodwork every 6-8 wks (had t4 as well). Then get script when I got out from another gp (lady that time). All of them knew what I did and didn't say shit despite me being 230-240lbs if the levels are low they're low and it's ok to bring them into normal range.. Even "high" range, so long as they're not low.
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Why? Makes absolutely no difference to them WHY you need hrt (aside from ruling out cancer/pituitary tumors).
My 1st hrt script was at 23 from a gp. Then hrt all through prison (went through about 5 Drs in there. Bummed the 1st got fired since she gave nice back massages every few wks lol... That's another story) with bloodwork every 6-8 wks (had t4 as well). Then get script when I got out from another gp (lady that time). All of them knew what I did and didn't say shit despite me being 230-240lbs if the levels are low they're low and it's ok to bring them into normal range.. Even "high" range, so long as they're not low.
because you will be marked down and it will effect insurance and how you are taken care of and trusted. Prices will go up for basic things and down the line you won’t qualify or be taken priority of in certain situations. You just have to trust me
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Go to a clinic. Here in S FL, the biggest are The Center, Royal Men's Medical Center, Genesis, The Program, and Men's Center.
Varies between $149-$199 per month. Standard protocol is 200mg Test Cyp weekly, 50ius of HCG twice a week, 1mg of arimidex weekly.
All labs and doctor visits covered in the monthly cost. Labs 2x a year, and doctor visit once a year.
The two biggest benefits is that the docs are hip and AAS knowledgeable so if you are having problems in some other area (thyroid, prostate, cholesterol, etc..) they can send you to doctors they know of with experience treating AAS patients. The second and best benefit is your shit is legal. You can travel with it, etc... don't have to worry about your girl calling the po-pos on you and showing them your stash just because she is bitchy, etc...
Save your old test vials like I do so when I travel to Thailand, Bali or India, I can fill them with whatever the fuck I want bring back with me. No questions asked because it has a legit label on the bottle.
Cool, Man. Thanks for the tip. 199 with Adex, HCG and Cyp?, I'm on It :)
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100mgs per week of test is not enough in my opinion.
That's because injection is only once a week.
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Why? Makes absolutely no difference to them WHY you need hrt (aside from ruling out cancer/pituitary tumors).
My 1st hrt script was at 23 from a gp. Then hrt all through prison (went through about 5 Drs in there. Bummed the 1st got fired since she gave nice back massages every few wks lol... That's another story) with bloodwork every 6-8 wks (had t4 as well). Then get script when I got out from another gp (lady that time). All of them knew what I did and didn't say shit despite me being 230-240lbs if the levels are low they're low and it's ok to bring them into normal range.. Even "high" range, so long as they're not low.
Wow. Where did you do time at?
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because you will be marked down and it will effect insurance and how you are taken care of and trusted. Prices will go up for basic things and down the line you won’t qualify or be taken priority of in certain situations. You just have to trust me
Eh, no it won't. Had insurance in 05 when I got it. Had insurance in 2011 when I got it and have had insurance since. Hasn't affected it one bit. Nor has doctors being aware of past heroin addiction or alcohol withdrawal.
i dont have to trust you. I know from experience.
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s it takes 2 months to
produce mature viable sperm so hcg can't possibly work that quickly if shooting blanks.
totally correct
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totally correct
It's interesting, though, how there seem to be quite a few bodybuilders who have apparently been fertile despite major abuse over many years. Like Bostin Loyd. Now Bostin did say he had been taking some HCG for a while before stacking high dose HCG and HMG, but still, the human studies on testosterone for birth control show that 200mg is very effective for that purpose.
I remember Palumbo had some theory that very high test dosages actually increase intratesticular test, instead of the opposite with low dosages, which is important for sperm production. I don't know if he just pulled that out of his ass or what. What do you think willl?
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I've been on HRT for about 12 years now. Every ten weeks I get a 10 ml bottle of Test Cyp (200mgs per ml), 20 capsules of 0.5mg Arimidex (I take one capsule on sunday night and the other capsule on wednesday night, I inject 1 cc (200mgs of Cyp every friday morning) and a bottle of HCG which I never use.
I get annual blood work and when they do draw blood annually, they draw it 7 days from my last shot. Results are always with a test level of around 1000. My buddy was taking 100mgs a week and his test levels 7 days after injection were around 450. 100mgs per week of test is not enough in my opinion. 200mgs per week is just fine as my hematocrit levels never go out of range. I pay around $450 every ten weeks for the above protocol. Has changed my life. Allows me to recover and maintain mass on low calories.
Except for the price there, that is exactly how things are here.
I did a cycle of winstrol for 10 weeks, then came off and the seventh week of being off went to the clinic where the doctor sent me for blood work. Naturally it came back low. Which was my exact intent.
As I have stated before, I only do one AAS cycle per year from May-August. So I stock pile my shipments until it is time to start. I never use the adex or hcg either. For the last 3 shipments, they have sent me compound of :
200mg Test Cyp / 1mg Arimidex per ml
200mg Test Enan / 1mg Arimidex per ml
150mg Test Cyp / 50mg Test Prop / 1mg Arimidex per ml
I am not a fan of getting Arimidex compounded in. When I cycle I do 600mg test, 600mg primo weekly and with those vials above, that would come out to be 3mg arimidex weekly which I can literally hear my joints drying out and my hair turning brittle now.
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VANB, it is complex and simple at the same time
exogenous or supraphysiological Test will inhibit both LH and FSH
what is important for sperm maturation is LH but even more so FSH
the HCG will only mimic the LH and thus increase T production (as good as it can) hence maintain or increase testes size momentarily
the hcg role in spermatogenesis is inferior to that of FSH, and yes it takes about 2 month cycle after FSH is introduced to complete spermatogenesis in healthy men
whenever i am on exo T my FSH drops to 0.1, theoretically speaking that minute percentage allows a minute percentage of sperm to be fertile
fertility reduced with 99% not 100
a receptive female counterpart could use that 1% very well
very high T catabolizes testes hence the shriveled dried raisin look, how this could possibly increase intratesticular test is anatomically, physiologically and endocrinogically beyond my comprehension
understand medical community does not master the whole picture but they do master most of the fundamentals, there have been documented stories about viable sperm cells remaining active in hideout in vasectomized men, resulting in pregnancy as far as 2 years after surgery and beyond
some vasectomized men can still produce finite possibility of fertility
its beyond our grasp for now
the bbers who wish for fertility ON cycle shd use HMG
to answer your question in regards to the T birth pill, it is defective
what they are working on today is birth control through gonadotropin (cycle) byproduct and side-product manipulation, such as to inhibit total LH and FSH through multiplural pathways
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Maybe Doc Huge could hook ya up?
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and remember, homeostasis is a strange thing
whenever your T levels go down, T receptors rise (affinity, use-ability, free-ability reinstated/reinforced)
whenever your FSH goes down, FSH receptors rise
;)
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VANB, it is complex and simple at the same time
exogenous or supraphysiological Test will inhibit both LH and FSH
what is important for sperm maturation is LH but even more so FSH
the HCG will only mimic the LH and thus increase T production (as good as it can) hence maintain or increase testes size momentarily
the hcg role in spermatogenesis is inferior to that of FSH, and yes it takes about 2 month cycle after FSH is introduced to complete spermatogenesis in healthy men
whenever i am on exo T my FSH drops to 0.1, theoretically speaking that minute percentage allows a minute percentage of sperm to be fertile
fertility reduced with 99% not 100
a receptive female counterpart could use that 1% very well
very high T catabolizes testes hence the shriveled dried raisin look, how this could possibly increase intratesticular test is anatomically, physiologically and endocrinogically beyond my comprehension
understand medical community does not master the whole picture but they do master most of the fundamentals, there have been documented stories about viable sperm cells remaining active in hideout in vasectomized men, resulting in pregnancy as far as 2 years after surgery and beyond
some vasectomized men can still produce finite possibility of fertility
its beyond our grasp for now
the bbers who wish for fertility ON cycle shd use HMG
to answer your question in regards to the T birth pill, it is defective
what they are working on today is birth control through gonadotropin (cycle) byproduct and side-product manipulation, such as to inhibit total LH and FSH through multiplural pathways
This is correct.
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I remember when you said you made a girl pregnant after a shot or 2 of hcg. Bostin Loyd made his girl pregnant
after 2 weeks of hcg + hmg. I did some reading on this and asked around and it appears it takes 2 months to
produce mature viable sperm so hcg can't possibly work that quickly if shooting blanks. So you were probably
fertile without the hcg. What do you think, am I off on this? I mean we know some people don't get infertile from steroids.
Happened with both my boys.
With the first boy I'd been" on" for about 3-4 years straight, zero breaks, only short decreases no longer than maybe 4 weeks (at most) & no less than 250mg (more.likely 500mg) of Primoteston or Sten, along With either 1cc/day Reforvit-B (dbol 25mg) and/or 1/2cc tren mwf (Finaplix conversion 75mg/cc via Animal's kits).
However most of timeframe was a minimum of 1.5-2g/wk Primoteston/Sten (was a f'n boatload of Sten. 40 f'n cc's to get 2g, which consisted of 1.5g cyp and 500mg prop, along with 200mg DHEA), plus 1-1.5g (IIRC) other shit consisting of Organon deca preloads (also a boatload of a fucking oil@50mg/cc), Norma deca, 100-150mg tren mwf, 50-75mg/day Reforvit-B, 200-500mg/wk Fort Dodge EQ (ALSO a boatload of oil @ 50mg/cc as well)... Those doses were especially consistent especially on the 12 months with few breaks, prior to her getting pregnant. Didn't go "off"... all I did was add one shot of HCG consisting of a full of vile, 5,000 i.u. on a Saturday and without taking my foot off the gas, another vile the next Saturday. 9months later, almost exactly, after that 2nd dose, I had a baby boy.
* above I said I've been on for 3 to 4 years straight, however the first year of those 3 to 4 years two doses were lower consisting of 502 750 mg of Primo Tustin per week along with 75 mg Trenbolone 3 days a week for about two months on 3 months off roughly, and 25-37.5 mg per day of reforvit-b for the same two months on and two or three months off. No deca or eq in that time frame I don't believe.
In the year prior to that I did one 12 week cycle of 100 mg per week of Sten followed by 12 weeks off including pct for the first (*I believe) 3 or 4 weeks of Clomid starting at 75 milligrams per day and decreasing to 25 milligrams per day. Then another 12 week cycle (which I actually stretched out to 16wks) of 200mg-400mg/wk of Schein cyp (I managed to get some of the last Schein cyp ever produced... which led to the beef between t2g/Time2Grow and myself.. Long story) followed by just a couple wks of 50mg/day Clomid.
Now, in that timeframe I wore a condom for about 2mins before taking it off (1st time having sex with my ex, my first son's mom) . never wore one with any of the roughly three dozen girls in high-school before her except for the time periods when I was running Clomid when I didn't have sex with any girls. Out of fear of them getting pregnant... Mind you that first year of 100mg/wk was my first cycle which I started on my 17th birthday, and Ive cum inside every girl, every time (pussy or mouth), minus Maybe 5 to 6 times, before and after I started using steroids. So I was shocked when we found out she was pregnant because I was so used to never having to worry about girls getting pregnant and I'd completely forgotten that HCG was first and foremost a fertility drug however I quickly put two and two together and remembered I had done those two HCG shots three months prior (we didn't find out she was pregnant until she was 3 months along).
Same thing with my second son. Except the dosages were much higher. About 7g/wk total, consisting of an entire bottles of testosterone (some Brovel/Tornal T200/2g, Ttokyo, Denkall cyp 2.5g & QV enan 2.5g, but about 80% of testosterone I bought was PetPharma enan 3.5g... this was around the time when I had started producing anabolics. *never used anything by Loeffler) & EQ (1g, either also Ttokyo, Denkall, or QV) per week. Plus 100mg/day Tren (still mostly Finaplix carts at that point. Never pre-made Veterinary tren), 100mg/day dbol (ref-b, Thai pinks, BD, my own etc), 75-150mg/day PetPharma, Syntex, Anapolan, Ttokyo anadrol, 600mg/wk Denkall deca (sometimes added a 150mg shot of regular Durabolan)... Ran those doses (actually, come to think of it, subtract about 2grams total from that for the 1st 6months, Postal Service are for the final three months before and during when my second son was conceived) non-stop for 9months straight with the goal of doing the super heavy weight class at the San Diego Championships/ World Gym Classic in march but life was hectic with a 6month old, so I decided to do the Border Sates Championships in September instead and just kept my foot on the gas (bad idea)...
So with our second son, the total milligrams per week were about 7,000, and again, I did a 5,000i.u. shot of HCG on a Saturday (not wanting to waste a vial.. LoL) and another 5,000 i.u. vial the following Saturday, and sure enough, 2 months later, (actually I believe it was less than 2 months this time... more like 4-6 weeks because she was acting fucking out of her mind this time around and I could tell something was up so we took a test earlier). This time I couldn't fucking believe it. Took me about a month to remember I did HCG shots again, after realizing I had forgotten HCG was a fertility drug... again. I didn't think was any way, even with HCG, that I would produce a baby at the dosages I was running. But I did (confirmed by the county of San Diego's DNA testing procedure after we split lol).
So, few dozen girls prior to, and I came inside each and every one of them. No condom. Some I had sex with once, some a dozen times, and some a few dozen times. Then there's my son's mom. My ex. I don't believe I was fertile before my ex, my son's mother and I don't believe she was infertile. She was 5ft tall, thick like a gymnast but soft and feminine with 36D to 38DD, and everywhere in between boobs, small hands small feet round chubby cheeks pimples big smile nice big full lips... Just a very feminine girl. And to this day, of all the girls I've had sex with in my life she is still the one I was the most sexually compatible with. At the time our first son was conceived we'd been together roughly 25months/750 days (let's subtract 1 month/30 days because have sex for the first month, so make that 720 days) & we didn't move in together for about 3 months however I still saw her 3 days a week, so let's make that number 680. In those 680 days it probably had sex on average twice a day, if not more. Ill round up to 1,400 times that we had sex and she didn't get pregnant (& that's just me and her. Not taking into account all the girls and all the times prior to that, with and without steroids. I went through all fucking boatload of horny goat weed maca and Yohimbe with her and before her/before viagrslol... Don't even know how to put a number on those girls). Then there's all the times before our 2nd son, as we started again just 2-3 wks after the 1st, since she had a c-section (small girl & an 8 1/2lb baby)...
Then after just 2 h.c.g. injections each time, she gets pregnant. Unconvinced both times were direct results of the HCG injections.
/end post. Thank God for voice-text lol
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If your body doesn't produce enough test to support muscle, then find another hobby...Maybe ping pong...
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Except for the price there, that is exactly how things are here.
I did a cycle of winstrol for 10 weeks, then came off and the seventh week of being off went to the clinic where the doctor sent me for blood work. Naturally it came back low. Which was my exact intent.
As I have stated before, I only do one AAS cycle per year from May-August. So I stock pile my shipments until it is time to start. I never use the adex or hcg either. For the last 3 shipments, they have sent me compound of :
200mg Test Cyp / 1mg Arimidex per ml
200mg Test Enan / 1mg Arimidex per ml
150mg Test Cyp / 50mg Test Prop / 1mg Arimidex per ml
I am not a fan of getting Arimidex compounded in. When I cycle I do 600mg test, 600mg primo weekly and with those vials above, that would come out to be 3mg arimidex weekly which I can literally hear my joints drying out and my hair turning brittle now.
Arimidex compounded in sounds really retarded. A lot of these HRT docs don’t know what they’re doing especially as far as AI’s are concerned. A lot of guys are probably sitting at close to 0 estradiol which can give you the same side effects as low T. My friend tried that royal men’s center or whatever it’s called by the LA Fitness in Deerfield and said they added the AI in there as well. The doc also cupped his balls without gloves on haha
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If your body doesn't produce enough test to support muscle, then find another hobby...Maybe ping pong...
If you slip on the ice, fall and break your leg and your body unable to repair itself without a cast maybe your body just isn't fit for walking anymore and maybe spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair.
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Spectrum in FL...
They do online blood-work testing to see if you qualify then a licensed doctor prescribes whats necessary.
My friend uses them..
https://spectrumhrt.com/
Call and ask for Jessie
I see they have sermorelin on the list. For anyone using sermorelin instead of HGH, you're wasting your time. Sermorelin is absolute garbage and does nothing as far as raising IGF levels compared to HGH. My HRT doc tries to prescribe it instead of HGH, and I tell him no way. The reason they want to prescribe it is because they can't legally prescribe GH for anti-aging purposes. Its almost if not more than the cost of GH as well.
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I see they have sermorelin on the list. For anyone using sermorelin instead of HGH, you're wasting your time. Sermorelin is absolute garbage and does nothing as far as raising IGF levels compared to HGH. My HRT doc tries to prescribe it instead of HGH, and I tell him no way. The reason they want to prescribe it is because they can't legally prescribe GH for anti-aging purposes. Its almost if not more than the cost of GH as well.
This. Plus they’ll combine it with ghrp-2 and 6 and will give you an insatiable appetite or the sweats before bed. Not fun.
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I see they have sermorelin on the list. For anyone using sermorelin instead of HGH, you're wasting your time. Sermorelin is absolute garbage and does nothing as far as raising IGF levels compared to HGH. My HRT doc tries to prescribe it instead of HGH, and I tell him no way. The reason they want to prescribe it is because they can't legally prescribe GH for anti-aging purposes. Its almost if not more than the cost of GH as well.
Never used Sermorelin or any of the ghrps before and have almost zero experience with gh but recently tried MK-677 and "results" have been dramatic. I put on 16lbs (!) in the first week at 25mg a day and the appetite boost is insane.
The weight is all water of course but that along with the appetite tells me it's potent and is doing something.
The data that is available does show MK as well as many of the peptides do increase gh and igf-1 and are quite potent at doing so.
They are pretty cheap from supp and research chem sites.
I will do the MK just for the appetite which has always been my problem area.
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I go to a clinic, docs are real cool there, they are looking to put you at optimal levels. Im on 200 test cyp a week, along with hcg and arimidex, they do labs every 3 months, but can request labs anytime free of charge, I'm always in the 1000-1200 range. It cost $200 a month. Never did any steroids before this, I've added about 18 pounds this year, main things I've noticed is better fullness, recovery, energy, sex drive. To keep my levels high and consistent they had me split my test shots twice a week, 3 days a week hcg injections, and 2 days I take arimidex. This way you are getting a boost in test everyday.
How often do they have you take off b/t your 10 week cycles?
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Arimidex compounded in sounds really retarded. A lot of these HRT docs don’t know what they’re doing especially as far as AI’s are concerned. A lot of guys are probably sitting at close to 0 estradiol which can give you the same side effects as low T. My friend tried that royal men’s center or whatever it’s called by the LA Fitness in Deerfield and said they added the AI in there as well. The doc also cupped his balls without gloves on haha
LOL! The doctor that owns and operates that place (Dr. Rodriguez) is a friend of mine. He and I are doing a new business venture together now. (Non HRT/TRT related). He has had a very young doctor in there now for the past two years. About 27 years old. He sees the patients and follows Roberto's protocol and guide. Must be doing well, drives a Ferrari and a BMW i8. Ok dude, very big sports nut. From what I understand he spends a lot of money on sports memorbilia. Has a huge man cave type room at his house with it all collected/displayed in. I've never been to his house though.
The compounding pharmacy is APS. Which supplies nearly all of the anti-aging clinics with their stuff.
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Go to a clinic. Here in S FL, the biggest are The Center, Royal Men's Medical Center, Genesis, The Program, and Men's Center.
Varies between $149-$199 per month. Standard protocol is 200mg Test Cyp weekly, 50ius of HCG twice a week, 1mg of arimidex weekly.
All labs and doctor visits covered in the monthly cost. Labs 2x a year, and doctor visit once a year.
The two biggest benefits is that the docs are hip and AAS knowledgeable so if you are having problems in some other area (thyroid, prostate, cholesterol, etc..) they can send you to doctors they know of with experience treating AAS patients. The second and best benefit is your shit is legal. You can travel with it, etc... don't have to worry about your girl calling the po-pos on you and showing them your stash just because she is bitchy, etc...
Save your old test vials like I do so when I travel to Thailand, Bali or India, I can fill them with whatever the fuck I want bring back with me. No questions asked because it has a legit label on the bottle.
Question about these clinics and whether they will be willing to qualify you for pharma and doctor supervised test cipionate. Here’s the scenario. Basic question is do they need to see below normal testosterone production confirmed in order to qualify and prescribe. Here is the scenario:
The individual has been clean for about 8 months and shows testosterone on the somewhat low side but within normal reference ranges. His regular family doctor refuses HRT prescription.
Obviously, if he starts administering on his own for a summer contest, testosterone will jump up.
How will these clinics react to this individual? Will they be willing to prescribe? Does it matter when during the year he goes to visit them?
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Grow a sack and produce your own test.
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Question about these clinics and whether they will be willing to qualify you for pharma and doctor supervised test cipionate. Here’s the scenario. Basic question is do they need to see below normal testosterone production confirmed in order to qualify and prescribe. Here is the scenario:
The individual has been clean for about 8 months and shows testosterone on the somewhat low side but within normal reference ranges. His regular family doctor refuses HRT prescription.
Obviously, if he starts administering on his own for a summer contest, testosterone will jump up.
How will these clinics react to this individual? Will they be willing to prescribe? Does it matter when during the year he goes to visit them?
No.
Its "replacement" therapy. Meant to bring you into normal range. If your test is already 500 or 800 or. Something, it's be "unethical" to prescibe. Its be into the "performance enhancing" area. So if you go in for bloodwork this summer mid cycle and your test is 2500 the test will show and they may cutbyouenscript or adjust urndose (to zero lol).. Best case they'll cut it ton200 every 4-6wks and order back for bloodwork inn4-8wks
My doctors refused to prescribe arimidex because it was considered "cosmetic".
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Arimidex compounded in sounds really retarded. A lot of these HRT docs don’t know what they’re doing especially as far as AI’s are concerned. A lot of guys are probably sitting at close to 0 estradiol which can give you the same side effects as low T. My friend tried that royal men’s center or whatever it’s called by the LA Fitness in Deerfield and said they added the AI in there as well. The doc also cupped his balls without gloves on haha
I'm in Florida. But 200 mgs a week of test requires HCG and Adex?
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I'm in Florida. But 200 mgs a week of test requires HCG and Adex?
200mg is for cookie cutter clinics, but yeah of course most people would need an AI on it, but it should be based on actual bloodwork and not the typical dealer I mean clinics they have down here who give out the standard 200mg and anastrolzole at 1mg and don’t do follow-up labs. Real HRT docs rarely go to 200 or beyond because your levels start getting into the super physiological range and problems like high hematocrit start popping up. Some guys on 100-180 mg divided into two doses can get away without an AI.
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LOL! The doctor that owns and operates that place (Dr. Rodriguez) is a friend of mine. He and I are doing a new business venture together now. (Non HRT/TRT related). He has had a very young doctor in there now for the past two years. About 27 years old. He sees the patients and follows Roberto's protocol and guide. Must be doing well, drives a Ferrari and a BMW i8. Ok dude, very big sports nut. From what I understand he spends a lot of money on sports memorbilia. Has a huge man cave type room at his house with it all collected/displayed in. I've never been to his house though.
The compounding pharmacy is APS. Which supplies nearly all of the anti-aging clinics with their stuff.
That’s pretty damn funny
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Large amounts of distance running can also lower your testosterone levels. This is common among marathon runners.
The theory is that the body can only burn so many calories a day regardless of how much you eat. So if you go over the limit your body gets energy by slowing down other functions, testosterone production being one of them.
Didn’t occur with me. Last year I was lifting 4 days per week and running on avg 70 miles per week. Bloodworm showed test in the high 500s.
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200mg is for cookie cutter clinics, but yeah of course most people would need an AI on it, but it should be based on actual bloodwork and not the typical dealer I mean clinics they have down here who give out the standard 200mg and anastrolzole at 1mg and don’t do follow-up labs. Real HRT docs rarely go to 200 or beyond because your levels start getting into the super physiological range and problems like high hematocrit start popping up. Some guys on 100-180 mg divided into two doses can get away without an AI.
High hematocrit/hemoglobin, lowered hdl, elevated triglycerides, elevated bp etc. Older guys are often very sensitive to gear and 200mg could cause all the aforementioned issues. A real dr will check those numbers on a regular basis and adjusted accordingly.
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High hematocrit/hemoglobin, lowered hdl, elevated triglycerides, elevated bp etc. Older guys are often very sensitive to gear and 200mg could cause all the aforementioned issues. A real dr will check those numbers on a regular basis and adjusted accordingly.
Absolutely. On point.
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are there any Getbiggers who have never used roids but who now are on TRT?
so... no?
nobody here is on TRT who never juiced in the past?
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so... no?
nobody here is on TRT who never juiced in the past?
_aj_ might fit that bill
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_aj_ might fit that bill
well then if there's just basically one lifetime natural guy here on TRT, then there's no need for me (out of curiosity) to look into it for myself since i'm healthy and still get everything that I hope to out of the gym in my late 40s.
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High hematocrit/hemoglobin, lowered hdl, elevated triglycerides, elevated bp etc. Older guys are often very sensitive to gear and 200mg could cause all the aforementioned issues. A real dr will check those numbers on a regular basis and adjusted accordingly.
Excellent points & exactly what happened to me. But I went overboard with some additional compounds stacked with the TRT levels. Now I have been off for three months cold turkey & it blows. Bottom line - stay on TRT levels year round and donate blood regularly to keep those high hematocrit/hemoglobin counts down.
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Excellent points & exactly what happened to me. But I went overboard with some additional compounds stacked with the TRT levels. Now I have been off for three months cold turkey & it blows. Bottom line - stay on TRT levels year round and donate blood regularly to keep those high hematocrit/hemoglobin counts down.
the donate blood thing is something most do not do.
man... i wish i was on TRT now! lol
good to see you bros are doing well with it though and it is more main stream now than it was just 3-5 years ago. in 10 years id say it will be very common.
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Any of you druggies ever feel like a poser/fraud/phony?
The most important thing in your life is all dependant on a drug you take....Something artificial.....
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so... no?
nobody here is on TRT who never juiced in the past?
On self administered trt (well a bit more than trt 200 to 300mg week) myself having never cycled, started at 30 after testing low at doctors but still being refused it (hard to get in u.k seems very hit and miss depending on doctor).
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Any of you druggies ever feel like a poser/fraud/phony?
The most important thing in your life is all dependant on a drug you take....Something artificial.....
I don't think I got it, but booze, cigs and weed are "artificial" as well, so, I wouldn't mind have an everlasting TRT.. lol
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How often do they have you take off b/t your 10 week cycles?
Take off? You're on forever, it's been over a year now for me.
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the donate blood thing is something most do not do.
man... i wish i was on TRT now! lol
good to see you bros are doing well with it though and it is more main stream now than it was just 3-5 years ago. in 10 years id say it will be very common.
Those Androgel commercials helped make people finally realize it wasn't an evil substance.
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Listen to ESfitness if you want to die doing things that he has never even tried
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Will fasting lower hemocrit levels that are too high?
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Will fasting lower hemocrit levels that are too high?
No but donating blood will.
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Take off? You're on forever, it's been over a year now for me.
Any negative side effects?
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Any negative side effects?
Increase in energy, better recovery, muscle gain (18 pounds). The only negative is the increased sex drive, I already had a high sex drive now it's almost annoying, mandatory I bust 2 nuts a day, I crack one off every morning then hit my girl at night, also ragging boners out of nowhere.
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Listen to ESfitness if you want to die doing things that he has never even tried
Explain yourself.
I'll never understand the "Earth is flat" dumb fucks who claim everything is a lie if they haven't seen or done it themselves, yet they have zero social skills which leads to zero Life Experiences and likely next to zero education , which gives them zero authority to speak on any subjects validity.
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^^^^ almost all the turds on here will not believe anything one says
Talk about fuvking paranoid
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It's interesting, though, how there seem to be quite a few bodybuilders who have apparently been fertile despite major abuse over many years. Like Bostin Loyd. Now Bostin did say he had been taking some HCG for a while before stacking high dose HCG and HMG, but still, the human studies on testosterone for birth control show that 200mg is very effective for that purpose.
I remember Palumbo had some theory that very high test dosages actually increase intratesticular test, instead of the opposite with low dosages, which is important for sperm production. I don't know if he just pulled that out of his ass or what. What do you think willl?
I sent you the exact Palumbo quote through PM, (if you could repost it here becuz i didnt keep it) it says something along the lines of "very high T concentrations in blood will make depleted testes (due to AAS) get enough of T through blood flow and still make it possible for spermatogenesis to occur..."
in retrospect, this might make sense to a certain degree and I'm almost inclined to say it is hypothetically indeed true
what would be lacking is optimal FSH, which is easely (exo) corrected when you would want it to
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so... no?
nobody here is on TRT who never juiced in the past?
well 2 x 250mg/wk for 8 week cycles as a young buck around 22yrs old. so i was pretty clean i guess history wise.
About 15yrs later developed symptoms of low.test, got myself checked out and sure enough test was crazy low.
Was given Androgel. ran with that for maybe 4mths then went to injects. i run 125/wk to feel normal then ill run 250/wk to get extra blood, more horny, look better at times throughout the year.
Been on for 3yrs. No ill health. I am wary of the hematocrit so i generally do 3mths 250 then 3mths 125 to let the blood go down. I was having regular checkups done but stopped it as everything was normal.
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If you slip on the ice, fall and break your leg and your body unable to repair itself without a cast maybe your body just isn't fit for walking anymore and maybe spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair.
this!!! Plus optimum test levels are not just required for bodybuilding but for a man's overall HEALTH!!! What a stupid fucking analogy!!
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High hematocrit/hemoglobin, lowered hdl, elevated triglycerides, elevated bp etc. Older guys are often very sensitive to gear and 200mg could cause all the aforementioned issues. A real dr will check those numbers on a regular basis and adjusted accordingly.
Great advice and most of those symptoms appear and are usually dosage related, get bloodwork done clean then =compare it to on dosage. I get blood out every 3 months , I use only 100mgs per shot and don't use arimidex, higher singular doses will drop my HDL, arimidex also drops HDL, I can increase the 100mgs every 7 days to every 4th day and get away with it but a 200mg shot gives me too much test.
The secret is to find a point on where your bloodwork when on is not negative to when you are off, for me this is 100mgs max per shot and every 7-10 days. I get the benefits without the negatives which I also count as water weight etc. Personally the associated weight gain with TRT use is negative from my own position.