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138 viewers... 0 comments. hmmmmmm...Muricans didn't like that Red Army did everything without their help. ;D
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Thats not the Beaches of Normandy
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By 1942/3 Lend-Lease with the U.S. meant that almost all of Russia's troops were being ferried around in Studebakers and Abrams tanks. Without America's help, the USSR would've collapsed like a a deck of cards sitting on Dennis Wolf's calf muscle in the middle of a windstorm.
The thing is this movie was already done in 2000 with Enemy at the Gates, using well-known actors. Nobody in the trailer has name recognition.
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History says that: Murica show up at the end of war, after Germany was handicapped by the Russians.
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The history says that: Murica show up at the end of war, after Germany was handicapped by the Russians.
Right
but those Russians were dragging their equipment on the backs of horses and using rifles and tanks from the 1910s
because all their production was based on impossible quotas which led to predictable industrial fuck-ups all along the supply chain
and the creation of obsolete but quickly-made pistols that overheated, bolt-action rifles from WWI and massive shortages
why do you think the Finns smoked 140,000 Russkies with a tiny army? lol
without their mass human cannon fodder wave offensive attacks and American gear (meaning, all of it)
Stalin would've been polishing Himmler's Cadillac
fact
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Almost all of the hardware that the Soviets used at that time was from "Murica"... so yeah... we didn't have anything to do with it at all.
People are so myopic.
So the hardware itself was killing Germans? is that what you are saying?
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History says that: Murica show up at the end of war, after Germany was handicapped by the Russians.
End of war..LOL.
there is tthis country called Japan
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End of war..LOL.
there is tthis country called Japan
My point is: Who did the biggest part defeating the Germans?
I'm not arguing. ;)
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My point is: Who did the biggest part defeating the Germans?
In human cost: Russia, due to their insane policy of sending waves of infantry directly into German gun turrets
In material cost: The UK and to a much lesser extent the US, beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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In human cost: Russia, due to their insane policy of sending waves of infantry directly into German gun turrets
In material cost: The UK and to a much lesser extent the US, beyond a shadow of a doubt.
I'm not going to argue with you. there is this thing called history... you know. ;)
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I'm not going to argue with you. there is this thing called history... you know. ;)
History says Russians are only good at 2 things: Drinking vodka in excess
and violent purges
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So the hardware itself was killing Germans? is that what you are saying?
What military did YOU serve and fight in? Or are you just some Brazilian pussy that's never fired a round in anger? You pussies are so jealous of "Murica" yet too chicken shit to attack
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Fighting in the Pacific was no joke.
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By 1942/3 Lend-Lease with the U.S. meant that almost all of Russia's troops were being ferried around in Studebakers and Abrams tanks.
I think you mean Shermans, the Abrams wasn't brought into service until the early 80's.
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Fighting in the Pacific was no joke.
This.
People act like the US paraded thru Berlin on the backs of the brits and russkies and called it a day....we went and fought another war. With no help
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I think you mean Shermans, the Abrams wasn't brought into service until the early 80's.
Correct, that is what I meant.
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Russia lost a staggering number of casualties in the war (an entire generation of young men). For that you have to admire their bravery, their sacrifice, and the ability of their commanders to get peasants armed with turn-of-century weaponry to charge wave after wave into Nazi armies.
To argue that the US played a trivial role in their victories would simply be ignorant however.
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Russia lost a staggering number of casualties in the war (an entire generation of young men). For that you have to admire their bravery, their sacrifice, and the ability of their commanders to get peasants armed with turn-of-century weaponry to charge wave after wave into Nazi armies.
To argue that the US played a trivial role in their victories would simply be ignorant however.
Bravery had nothing to do with it. Not with most, anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_No._227 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_No._227)
If they turned around, they'd be shot and their families would be sent to concentration camps and shot there.
PS. They lost 13 million military personnel and about 10 million civilians. The bulk of the latter deaths were from starvation, because the Soviet authorities couldn't feed them. The former were mainly from the Soviet military leadership's exceptional bungling in the first year of the war, and their reckless use of manpower to slow the Germans by flooding them with oncoming human waves in the last 3. By comparison, the Germans lost 3.5 million military and about the same civilian. That's with fighting every country in Europe, the US, the USSR, and carpet bombing for 3 years straight.
And all that despite US help. Fuck the Russians. They can't even beat those Chechen rebels after 15 years of fighting in their OWN country. And now they want to occupy Ukraine too, defenseless countries in other words.
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Bravery had nothing to do with it. Not with most, anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_No._227 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_No._227)
Brutality would be a better word fr sure.
Cannon Fodder is another one.
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In human cost: Russia, due to their insane policy of sending waves of infantry directly into German gun turrets
In material cost: The UK and to a much lesser extent the US, beyond a shadow of a doubt.
What is Russian for "cannon fodder"?
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What is Russian for "cannon fodder"?
pushechnoye myaso
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Bravery had nothing to do with it. Not with most, anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_No._227 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_No._227)
If they turned around, they'd be shot and their families would be sent to concentration camps and shot there.
Their policies there are extreme for sure and not exactly cutting-edge field tactics even by 1940s standards, but I sort of feel like when you're in that moment where the order to attack or hold your ground is given, the decision to flee instead probably comes down to fear of the enemy killing you right then rather than fear of the repurcussions of disobedience. It's not like the other armies didn't punish desertion, although they probably didn't murder you and your family for it admittedly.
I've never fought in a war or even fired a real weapon though so what do I know really.
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Their policies there are extreme for sure and not exactly cutting-edge field tactics even by 1940s standards, but I sort of feel like when you're in that moment where the order to attack or hold your ground is given, the decision to flee instead probably comes down to fear of the enemy killing you right then rather than fear of the repurcussions of disobedience. It's not like the other armies didn't punish desertion, although they probably didn't murder you and your family for it admittedly.
I've never fought in a war or even fired a real weapon though so what do I know really.
All Soviet POWs were locked up in Soviet concentration camps as punishment for surrendering after WWII ended. Pretty harsh indeed!
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This.
People act like the US paraded thru Berlin on the backs of the brits and russkies and called it a day....we went and fought another war. With no help
No shit. Our forces crushed everything in the South Pacific. Midway, Leyte Gulf, Okinawa, we destroyed that country, while holding our own in Europe. Like some beast of a dude in a bar fight throwin dudes off of him while pounding another one.
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No shit. Our forces crushed everything in the South Pacific. Midway, Leyte Gulf, Okinawa, we destroyed that country, while holding our own in Europe. Like some beast of a dude in a bar fight throwin dudes off of him while pounding another one.
Then 5 years later back at it in Korea.
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Then 5 years later back at it in Korea.
We've got yellow fever bro. ;D
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Their policies there are extreme for sure and not exactly cutting-edge field tactics even by 1940s standards, but I sort of feel like when you're in that moment where the order to attack or hold your ground is given, the decision to flee instead probably comes down to fear of the enemy killing you right then rather than fear of the repurcussions of disobedience. It's not like the other armies didn't punish desertion, although they probably didn't murder you and your family for it admittedly.
I've never fought in a war or even fired a real weapon though so what do I know really.
You have a right to your opinion - combat does affect those opinions but that right is worth fighting for
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This.
People act like the US paraded thru Berlin on the backs of the brits and russkies and called it a day....we went and fought another war. With no help
No help but the Chinese fighting them in the West and the Russians fighting them in the North. ::) In fact, it was the Russians moving most of their army across their country in weeks after defeating the Germans that pushed Japan off the continent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Manchuria
None of this diminishes the American contribution in WW2 but its good to actually know history.
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If any one of the major Allied powers was not involved in the war I think it's safe to say that continental Europe would be a glorious empire of huge Ary-an bastards with muscles today.
I am less sure of how the Pacific would have turned out. I don't know the history there well but feel like the US would have prevailed eventually without whatever assistance GB and the Reds gave.
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If any one of the major Allied powers was not involved in the war I think it's safe to say that continental Europe would be glorious empire of huge Caucasian bastards with muscles today.
True. But the entire premise of the Nazi war effort was that the Wehrmacht was invincible against the powerful armies arrayed against it. Let's also not lose sight of the fact that they siphoned off the resources and manpower of all the countries they occupied in Europe. So it was only fair the allies would band together, too. They lost. Germans aren't superhuman. They're as expendable as anyone else.
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138 viewers... 0 comments. hmmmmmm...Muricans didn't like that Red Army did everything without their help. ;D
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Bravery had nothing to do with it. Not with most, anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_No._227 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_No._227)
If they turned around, they'd be shot and their families would be sent to concentration camps and shot there.
PS. They lost 13 million military personnel and about 10 million civilians. The bulk of the latter deaths were from starvation, because the Soviet authorities couldn't feed them. The former were mainly from the Soviet military leadership's exceptional bungling in the first year of the war, and their reckless use of manpower to slow the Germans by flooding them with oncoming human waves in the last 3. By comparison, the Germans lost 3.5 million military and about the same civilian. That's with fighting every country in Europe, the US, the USSR, and carpet bombing for 3 years straight.
And all that despite US help. Fuck the Russians. They can't even beat those Chechen rebels after 15 years of fighting in their OWN country. And now they want to occupy Ukraine too, defenseless countries in other words.
You seem a tad butthurt, bro.
(http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1384726937864193.jpg)
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Just watched the trailer. Holy shit, how did I miss this was already out? Will go and see it, and hopefully it is all in subtitles. The main German character, looks like the guy from King Kong and Downfall. Damn shame so many white folks died like that. :-\
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By 1942/3 Lend-Lease with the U.S. meant that almost all of Russia's troops were being ferried around in Studebakers and Abrams tanks. Without America's help, the USSR would've collapsed like a a deck of cards sitting on Dennis Wolf's calf muscle in the middle of a windstorm.
The thing is this movie was already done in 2000 with Enemy at the Gates, using well-known actors. Nobody in the trailer has name recognition.
Yep. Stalin was practically begging roosevelt for help. The soviets did do the bulk of the fighting againsg germany by a large margin, but if not for american support in the beginning, they would have been totally defeated by germany.
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That era was when men were men. Everyone fought hard. Everyone always talks about the bravery of the victors, but the Germans fought just as valiantly. The German rear guard during the retreat from the Soviet Union were some of the bravest fighters in the war.
The Japanese' willingness to fight to the last man in the island campaigns was something to admire as well.
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That era was when men were men. Everyone fought hard. Everyone always talks about the bravery of the victors, but the Germans fought just as valiantly. The German rear guard during the retreat from the Soviet Union were some of the bravest fighters in the war.
The Japanese' willingness to fight to the last man in the island campaigns was something to admire as well.
Truth. The german soldiers were the best bar none
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A tale from WWII:
At 2:30 and 5:40 if you listen carefully you can hear RAF bombs dropping on Berlin outside the studio even through the soundproofing.
This was recorded on AEG Magnetophon tape recorders, in stereo.
In the general chaos of the last few months of WWII, U. S. Army Signal Corps Major Jack Mullins “obtained” two tape recorders and fifty reels of tape. Major Mullins returned to the U. S. A. He showed Bing Crosby the machines and Crosby partnered with a Russian named Alexander Matthew Poniatoff. Together they formed AMPEX to reverse engineer tape recorders from the two samples. They approached 3M to figure out how to make the tape. They all made a fortune.
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I love old gismos.