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Stating the obvious but what a fucking moron for making this public Hahahahahahahaha
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Joe knows no amount of gun control legislation will stop a crazy man or women from getting a illegal fire arm.. Or legal for that matter.. And doing a horrible deed.. This is all smoke and mirrors where they can put another feather in their cap.. This is what the NRA and numerous other orgs have been saying.. It's typical liberal "symbolism over substance".. If it makes ya feel good about yourself doing it then that's all that matters.. When they know deep down its a bunch of crap..
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Joe knows no amount of gun control legislation will stop a crazy man or women from getting a illegal fire arm.. Or legal for that matter.. And doing a horrible deed.. This is all smoke and mirrors where they can put another feather in their cap.. This is what the NRA and numerous other orgs have been saying.. It's typical liberal "symbolism over substance".. If it makes ya feel good about yourself doing it then that's all that matters.. When they know deep down its a bunch of crap..
QFT
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Why aren't any of the mass shooters using more powerful and fully automatic machine guns ???
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Why aren't any of the mass shooters using more powerful and fully automatic machine guns ???
To costs prohibitive a class 3 M16 is anywhere from $15-20K
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Nothing ground breaking. He just said new legislation won't guarantee and end to the mass shooting. Of course it won't, but it could help and that's what matters.
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Nothing ground breaking. He just said new legislation won't guarantee and end to the mass shooting. Of course it won't, but it could help and that's what matters.
Actually NO it couldn't help. It was done already and according to sources with no vested interest it did absolutely NOTHING
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I don't mind the Commander in Chief being armed to the gills. I just don't want my neighbors stock piling guns and ammo...
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Actually NO it couldn't help. It was done already and according to sources with no vested interest it did absolutely NOTHING
wrong. stop lying brother. http://factcheck.org/2013/02/did-the-1994-assault-weapons-ban-work/
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I don't mind the Commander in Chief being armed to the gills. I just don't want my neighbors stock piling guns and ammo...
Move to Great Britain , Australia , or Japan if you want that. 300 Million guns already in the hands of Joe-blow a little late for that now.
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wrong
Don't type I'm ' wrong ' prove I'm wrong ;)
The first assault weapons ban was a failure , and the VP knows this one would be as well.
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Move to Great Britain , Australia , or Japan if you want that. 300 Million guns already in the hands of Joe-blow a little late for that now.
That's a good point.
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Don't type I'm ' wrong ' prove I'm wrong ;)
The first assault weapons ban was a failure , and the VP knows this one would be as well.
I've read all the data. It's conflicting and inconclusive. http://factcheck.org/2013/02/did-the-1994-assault-weapons-ban-work/
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I've read all the data. It's conflicting and inconclusive. http://factcheck.org/2013/02/did-the-1994-assault-weapons-ban-work/
Nonsense , One the ban NEVER banned ' assault weapons ' to begin with , it only banned cosmetic features , so during the ' ban ' you could still buy an AR15 second according to the Department of Justice the ban was useless watch this video
Also
A 2004 critical review of research on firearms by a National Research Council panel also noted that academic studies of the assault weapon ban "did not reveal any clear impacts on gun violence" and noted "due to the fact that the relative rarity with which the banned guns were used in crime before the ban ... the maximum potential effect of the ban on gun violence outcomes would be very small...."
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Reagan sure had a full head of hair for his age, damn.
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You got to protect yourself I'm ready.
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We don't trash the 1st Amendment when someone burns a flag or makes art w a Crucifix in a bottle of piss.
We don't trash the 4th Amendment when guilty murderer goes free due to police officers violating search and seizure laws.
We don't trash the 5th Amendment when a person we know is guilty of a horrendous crime refuses to testify under oath.
We don't trash the 6th Amendment when a case is dismissed against an obviously guilty defendant because the Govt. failed to proceed with the case in a speedy manner or failed to produce the accuser against the accused.
We don't trash the 7th Amendment when a jury makes a horrible decision ala O.J. Simpson.
We don't trash the 8th Amendment because we feel some crimes are so heinous as to warrant torture of convicts.
Yet some people feel that acts of some deranged psychotic murderers is justification for trashing the 2nd Amendment?
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We don't trash the 1st Amendment when someone burns a flag or makes art w a Crucifix in a bottle of piss.
We don't trash the 4th Amendment when guilty murderer goes free due to police officers violating search and seizure laws.
We don't trash the 5th Amendment when a person we know is guilty of a horrendous crime refuses to testify under oath.
We don't trash the 6th Amendment when a case is dismissed against an obviously guilty defendant because the Govt. failed to proceed with the case in a speedy manner or failed to produce the accuser against the accused.
We don't trash the 7th Amendment when a jury makes a horrible decision ala O.J. Simpson.
We don't trash the 8th Amendment because we feel some crimes are so heinous as to warrant torture of convicts.
Yet some people feel that acts of some deranged psychotic murderers is justification for trashing the 2nd Amendment?
Without the second amendment, we cannot defend the rest if them.
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Without the second amendment, we cannot defend the rest if them.
There are some in this country who would very much like that.
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We don't trash the 1st Amendment when someone burns a flag or makes art w a Crucifix in a bottle of piss.
We don't trash the 4th Amendment when guilty murderer goes free due to police officers violating search and seizure laws.
We don't trash the 5th Amendment when a person we know is guilty of a horrendous crime refuses to testify under oath.
We don't trash the 6th Amendment when a case is dismissed against an obviously guilty defendant because the Govt. failed to proceed with the case in a speedy manner or failed to produce the accuser against the accused.
We don't trash the 7th Amendment when a jury makes a horrible decision ala O.J. Simpson.
We don't trash the 8th Amendment because we feel some crimes are so heinous as to warrant torture of convicts.
Yet some people feel that acts of some deranged psychotic murderers is justification for trashing the 2nd Amendment?
How is the 2nd amendment being trashed? I know you think people should have a right to own tanks, RPGs, machine guns and whatever other type of weapons you can think of. But, most Americans support some form of gun regulation. No one is taking all your guns away...only the scary looking ones :P
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Without the second amendment, we cannot defend the rest if them.
Really? What are you and your Bushmaster rifle going to do against drones and apache helicopters?
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quick fact - a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to be involved in the death of a member of the household, rather than used in self defense :)
More fun stats on the health risks of owning a gun for you guys to quibble over:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9715182
http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2012/12/16/searching-for-hard-data-on-guns-and-violence/
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Guys.. The cats out of the bag,so to speak.. Gun sales are through the roof right now. . People who never owned guys are now buying them up... Obama essentially flooded the market with his silly rhetoric .. He's actually made it worse... So go ahead and try to ban this or that.. It's all show.. What he has done inadvertently is escalate what he was trying to stop.. This guy is all about legacy at the moment.. Get through what looks good.. But you can all scream, piss , bitch and moan but its too late... Pass all the laws ya want if it helps ya sleep better.. But in the end it won't stop anything..nor slow it down,..
Stop the bleeding hearts out there from over playing the " civil rights" aspect of mental illness and worry about protecting those they could potentially hurt.. This is the central component of what we have seen lately...
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No surprise to see Mindspin wants guns taken away,he prefers his men helpless when he "takes their back" :-X
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Mindspin, I have already debunked and shown your posts for the ignorant and emotional talking points they are.
You admit that banning guns wont take them out of the hands of criminals but will take them out of the hands of law abiding citizens but you still feel a gun ban is a good thing.
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There are some in this country who would very much like that.
Very true.
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Really? What are you and your Bushmaster rifle going to do against drones and apache helicopters?
3rd world, ass backwards, sheep fucking arabs seem to be able to hold their own...
you think millions and millions of armed citizens that blend in with the population fighting a guerilla war would just fold?
you should learn a little history and stop being such an emotional retard.
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That cartoon isnt accurate why? North Vietnamese did a real good job at stifling the American war machine with nothing more than Ak47s and motor rounds .also see Iraq and Afghanistan
.Gov know confiscation would lead to another civil war and it would be a disaster politically as well facing 100 million plus armed Americans
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No surprise to see Mindspin wants guns taken away,he prefers his men helpless when he "takes their back" :-X
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That cartoon isnt accurate why? North Vietnamese did a real good job at stifling the American war machine with nothing more than Ak47s and motor rounds .also see Iraq and Afghanistan
.Gov know confiscation would lead to another civil war and it would be a disaster politically as well facing 100 million plus armed Americans
Also, it is doubtful that the U.S. military will nuke the U.S. The tactics they use are more likely to be resistible with civilian force.
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Also, it is doubtful that the U.S. military will nuke the U.S. The tactics they use are more likely to be resistible with civilian force.
QFT.
Not to mention that it's very probable that the military would split. Remember, those people operating those drones and tanks are citizens themselves, and so are their families.
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That cartoon isnt accurate why? North Vietnamese did a real good job at stifling the American war machine with nothing more than Ak47s and motor rounds .also see Iraq and Afghanistan
.Gov know confiscation would lead to another civil war and it would be a disaster politically as well facing 100 million plus armed Americans
Oh brother ::) You're going to compare yourself to the Afghanis and Vietnamese? Not only was the terrain completely different (jungle and mountainous caves), but these people were fighting for their lives and being supported by other governments.
If it really ever came down to it, most of these Ted Nugent wannabes, would fold in 2 secs if a team of navy seals came busting through their door. And for the rest of the nut jobs that actually tried to put up any kind of resistance, just google branch davidians to see how that would end :)
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Also, it is doubtful that the U.S. military will nuke the U.S. The tactics they use are more likely to be resistible with civilian force.
The tactics they use are the ones that work
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Oh brother ::) You're going to compare yourself to the Afghanis and Vietnamese? Not only was the terrain completely different (jungle and mountainous caves), but these people were fighting for their lives and being supported by other governments.
If it really ever came down to it, most of these Ted Nugent wannabes, would fold in 2 secs if a team of navy seals came busting through their door. And for the rest of the nut jobs that actually tried to put up any kind of resistance, just google branch davidians to see how that would end :)
Navy SEALs? Really? Really dude? If it came down to what you're talking about, it would be a full scale civil war. And I hate to say it, but there aren't nearly enough SEALs to go around in that situation.
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Oh brother ::) You're going to compare yourself to the Afghanis and Vietnamese? Not only was the terrain completely different (jungle and mountainous caves), but these people were fighting for their lives and being supported by other governments.
If it really ever came down to it, most of these Ted Nugent wannabes, would fold in 2 secs if a team of navy seals came busting through their door. And for the rest of the nut jobs that actually tried to put up any kind of resistance, just google branch davidians to see how that would end :)
spoken like a true idiot with no education in history.
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spoken like a true idiot with no education in history.
Our original Revolutionaries were just a bunch of farmers and peasants too.
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Navy SEALs? Really? Really dude? If it came down to what you're talking about, it would be a full scale civil war. And I hate to say it, but there aren't nearly enough SEALs to go around in that situation.
OMG...really? Do you remember what happened in the last civil war? This time, our side is much more well armed. You and the teabaggers would be fucked.
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spoken like a true idiot with no education in history.
Now you're going to enlighten me on History. I'm sure your version is quite entertaining.
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QFT.
Not to mention that it's very probable that the military would split. Remember, those people operating those drones and tanks are citizens themselves, and so are their families.
Precisely.
It won't be as simple as the military vs. everyone else. I would expect everybody from bus drivers on up to government officials to be forming coalitions. It would be a nation divided.
TA would get to dust off his grays and march for real with his local, modern-day civil war battalion - if it's even a North/South thing.
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OMG...really? Do you remember what happened in the last civil war? This time, our side is much more well armed. You and the teabaggers would be fucked.
I'm not a teabagger, and I'm pretty sure that both sides would be well armed. You have this notion in your head that it's going to be the entire U.S. military united against a few crazed nuts armed with AR-15's, which simply wouldn't be the case.
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Precisely.
It won't be as simple as the military vs. everyone else. I would expect everybody from bus drivers on up to government officials to be forming coalitions. It would be a nation divided.
TA would get to dust off his grays and march for real with his local, modern-day civil war battalion - if it's even a North/South thing.
Yeah, it wouldn't be a north south thing. The whole country would be at odds with each other, and as soon as civilians started taking casualties, you can bet that there wouldn't be a "US Military" anymore.
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Now you're going to enlighten me on History. I'm sure your version is quite entertaining.
history is history moron and its full of outnumbered and out gunned forces kicking the shit out of govts, armies and just general shit heads...
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You guys need to seriously study your history. Keep quibbling about this. In the meantime, stricter gun laws will be passed :-)
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history is history moron and its full of outnumbered and out gunned forces kicking the shit out of govts, armies and just general shit heads...
You really seem to be getting very emotional over this. You probably feel like shooting something don't you...
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You guys need to seriously study your history. Keep quibbling about this. In the meantime, stricter gun laws will be passed :-)
sure sure girlie now run along and watch your lifetime movies, the time for emotional outbreaks and crying is done.
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I'd bet money not a single person here would resist if they were watching football on a Sunday, there was a knock at the door and six ATF agents armed to the teeth in body armor were there demanding you turn over your firearms.
yeah, go ahead and tell me you would start shooting.....LOL ::)
the bullshit runs so deep on this site it's laughable
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sure sure girlie now run along and watch your lifetime movies, the time for emotional outbreaks and crying is done.
Bro, you're the only one melting down here and resorting to name calling instead of having a constructive debate. Maybe it's time to unplug, take your medicine and go target shooting or something :D
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I'd bet money not a single person here would resist if they were watching football on a Sunday, there was a knock at the door and six ATF agents armed to the teeth in body armor were there demanding you turn over your firearms.
yeah, go ahead and tell me you would start shooting.....LOL ::)
the bullshit runs so deep on this site it's laughable
exactly! These tools comparing themselves to the viet cong is hilarious.
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I'd bet money not a single person here would resist if they were watching football on a Sunday, there was a knock at the door and six ATF agents armed to the teeth in body armor were there demanding you turn over your firearms.
yeah, go ahead and tell me you would start shooting.....LOL ::)
the bullshit runs so deep on this site it's laughable
how many ppl do you think they are going to be able to get the drop on?
once this happens it will be all over the place, the internet, news, radio etc...
They wouldnt be able to do that to everyone only a small % of gun owners.
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Bro, you're the only one melting down here and resorting to name calling instead of having a constructive debate. Maybe it's time to unplug, take your medicine and go target shooting or something :D
LOL constructive?
hahahhaaha you fucking moron, youre saying that banning guns from law abiding citizens while criminals will still have them is constructive?
hahahahhaha fuking wow!!!
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The price of moral grandstanding: The folly of libs' high-minded investing
By George Will
Politics becomes amusing when liberalism becomes theatrical with high-minded gestures. Chicago’s government, which is not normally known for elevated thinking, is feeling so morally upright and financially flush that it proposes to rise above the banal business of maximizing the value of its employees’ and retirees’ pension fund assets. Although seven funds have cumulative unfunded liabilities of $25 billion, Chicago will sacrifice the growth of those assets to the striking of a political pose so pure it is untainted by practicality.
Emulating New York and California, two deep-blue states with mammoth unfunded pension liabilities, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel (D) has hectored a $5 billion pension fund into divesting its holdings in companies that manufacture firearms. Now he is urging two large banks to deny financing to such companies “that profit from gun violence.” TD Bank provides a $60 million credit line to Smith & Wesson, and Bank of America provides a $25 million line to Sturm, Ruger & Co.
Chicago’s current and retired public employees might wish the city had invested more in both companies. Barack Obama, for whom Emanuel was chief of staff, has become a potent gun salesman because of suspicions that he wants to make gun ownership more difficult. Since he was inaugurated four years ago, there have been 65 million requests for background checks of gun purchasers. Four years ago, the price of Smith & Wesson stock was $2.45. Last week it was $8.76, up 258 percent. Four years ago, the price of Sturm Ruger stock was $6.46. Last week it was $51.09, up 691 percent. The Wall Street Journal reports that even before “a $1.2 billion balloon payment for pensions comes due” in 2015, “Chicago’s pension funds, which are projected to run dry by the end of the decade, are scraping the bottoms of their barrels.”
Nevertheless, liberals are feeling good about themselves — the usual point of liberalism — because New York state’s public pension fund and California’s fund for teachers have, the New York Times says, “frozen or divested” gun holdings, and Calpers, the fund for other California public employees, may join this gesture jamboree this month. All this is being compared to the use of divestment to pressure South Africa to dismantle apartheid in the 1980s. Well.
Apartheid was a wicked practice. Guns are legal products in America, legally sold under federal, state and local regulations. Most of the guns sold to Americans are made by Americans. Americans have a right — a constitutional right — to own guns, and 47 percent of U.S. households exercise that portion of the Bill of Rights by possessing at least one firearm.
For Emanuel to say that gun makers “profit from gun violence” is as sensible as saying automobile manufacturers “profit from highway carnage” — which, by the way, kills more Americans than guns do. Emanuel, who is more intelligent than he sounds (just as many think Wagner’s music is better than it sounds), must know that not one fewer gun will be made, sold or misused because Chicago is wagging its finger at banks.
Moral grandstanding, however, offers steady work, and the Chronicle of Higher Education reports a new front in “the battle against climate change”: “Student groups at almost 200 colleges and universities are calling on boards of trustees to divest their colleges’ holdings in large fossil-fuel companies.” Of course, not one share of those companies’ stock will go unsold because academia is so righteous. Others will profit handsomely from such holdings and from being complicit in supplying what the world needs. Fossil fuels, the basis of modern life, supply 82 percent of U.S. energy, and it is projected that they will supply 78 percent of the global increase in energy demand between 2009 and 2035, by which time the number of cars and trucks on the planet will have doubled to 1.7 billion.
Institutions of higher education will, presumably, warn donors that their endowments will be wielded in support of the political agenda du jour, which might include divesting from any company having anything to do with corn, source of the sweetener in many of the sodas that make some people fat and New York’s mayor cranky. Or anything to do with red meat, sugar, salt, trans fats, chickens not lovingly raised . . . .
Liberal ethicists may decide that the only virtuous investments are in electric cars. The Obama administration says that 1 million will be sold by 2015. Maybe 70,000 have been so far. Just imagine how pension funds will prosper by betting on the next 930,000.
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No one is saying they will not pass some stricter laws... But it won't make a ounce of difference.. The vp knows this so why do it? ... Again, symbolism over substance..
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No one is saying they will not pass some stricter laws... But it won't make a ounce of difference.. The vp knows this so why do it? ... Again, symbolism over substance..
liberal mantra of acting simply for the sake of acting...it doesnt matter if it does nothing or even if it makes things worse.
At least they "did something"
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liberal mantra of acting simply for the sake of acting...it doesnt matter if it does nothing or even if it makes things worse.
At least they "did something"
Bad precedence.
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exactly! These tools comparing themselves to the viet cong is hilarious.
You're making the assumption that they're just going to come pick up the firearms (and know where to get them) and no one is going to do anything about it. As soon as one shot is fired in anger and an innocent dies at the hands of the Federal Government attempting to confiscate weapons, shit will hit the fan, and there are plenty of crazies out there that would be willing to do just that.
A civil war started over peoples rights to own slaves (something NOT protected by the constitution, in fact they have a nice little sentence in their about how "all men are created equal", which kind of makes it an entirely different scenario.)... can you imagine if they literally attempted to disarm the citizens when it's a constitutionally protected right?
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how many ppl do you think they are going to be able to get the drop on?
once this happens it will be all over the place, the internet, news, radio etc...
They wouldnt be able to do that to everyone only a small % of gun owners.
Yup, and 99% of people would say "fuck, this is BULLSHIT" as they turn their guns over to the proper authorities.
Like some father of three with a good job who is planning on retiring in 5 years is going to risk having his family killed in a firefight, and he's now looking at serious jail time if he's not killed himself... so he can keep his precious guns.
Let's keep this discussion based in reality, shall we
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Yup, and 99% of people would say "fuck, this is BULLSHIT" as they turn their guns over to the proper authorities.
Like some father of three with a good job who is planning on retiring in 5 years is going to risk having his family killed in a firefight, and he's now looking at serious jail time if he's not killed himself... so he can keep his precious guns.
Let's keep this discussion based in reality, shall we
Of course a father of three looking out for the best interest of his children will hand over the firearms when confronted by a team conduction a search and seizure... But you're totally discounting everyone else and every other situation.
Not to mention those people that think that fighting for their constitution is worth their own lives, or those that think that it's worth it for the sake of their childrens future....
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You guys need to seriously study your history. Keep quibbling about this. In the meantime, stricter gun laws will be passed :-)
Actually they wont , even Harry Reid knows a ' new ' Assault weapons ban isn't going to happen , but they can back door gun laws and circumvent the usual process like they did in New York but in reality it wont stand up to the supreme court when the law suits start rolling in
And in the end what do stricter guns laws do? punish people who intend to follow them and criminals by nature don't. Very strict policies on drugs in this country yet people get them and abuse them
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You guys are wasting your time with MS.
If the issue doesn't involve hours of being nose deep in another mans ass crack while attempting to pull off a "friends only" bjj submission, he is vehemently opposed.
He can triangle choke anyone-- therefore he has no need for primitive and barbaric "firearms".
The founding fathers were stupid and out of shape.
They never took cage fighting into the equation when they were constructing the bill of rights. ::)
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Yup, and 99% of people would say "fuck, this is BULLSHIT" as they turn their guns over to the proper authorities.
Like some father of three with a good job who is planning on retiring in 5 years is going to risk having his family killed in a firefight, and he's now looking at serious jail time if he's not killed himself... so he can keep his precious guns.
Let's keep this discussion based in reality, shall we
LOL ok reality, how will the govt know where to go for all the guns?
you really think ppl will just turn their guns over? what about the criminals? you think they are just going to turn them in voluntarily?
you think there wont be law abiding citizens that decide to rat hole them away?
you think that there wont be individuals that fight back?
you want reality stop looking at things based on where you live and your experiences.
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Of course a father of three looking out for the best interest of his children will hand over the firearms when confronted by a team conduction a search and seizure... But you're totally discounting everyone else and every other situation.
Not to mention those people that think that fighting for their constitution is worth their own lives, or those that think that it's worth it for the sake of their childrens future....
I'm not discounting anything. fact is if they were put to the test and had to choose whether they truly wanted to start shooting real bullets at armed agents who had every intention of shooting back and killing them, 'from my cold dead hands" would be exposed as the bullshit posturing rhetoric it is, and 99% of people wouldn't be willing to throw their lives away over some stupid fucking guns
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Oh brother ::) You're going to compare yourself to the Afghanis and Vietnamese? Not only was the terrain completely different (jungle and mountainous caves), but these people were fighting for their lives and being supported by other governments.
If it really ever came down to it, most of these Ted Nugent wannabes, would fold in 2 secs if a team of navy seals came busting through their door. And for the rest of the nut jobs that actually tried to put up any kind of resistance, just google branch davidians to see how that would end :)
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Comparing Vietnam ,Afghanistan with Ted Nutgun , Narcisdeity ...............is fucking retarded ,
The American Government know who you are ,they speak your language ,they know where you live , they know where you work ,how much money you make ,what car you drive , they know your family ............etc
The reality is that 99% of American citizens are bunch of pussies ( yes you too Tony mctones ) and like Mindspin said they would fold in less than 2 sec .
The revolution has to start from scratch by a real man that rejects passivity, accepts responsibility, and leads courageously for the greater reward and also he would need help from other real men and foreign nations .
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I'm not discounting anything. fact is if they were put to the test and had to choose whether they truly wanted to start shooting real bullets at armed agents who had every intention of shooting back and killing them, 'from my cold dead hands" would be exposed as the bullshit posturing rhetoric it is, and 99% of people wouldn't be willing to throw their lives away over some stupid fucking guns
Lol, of course that would happen in that situation. That's not really what is being discussed, the point is that people would start to group together and rebel if that situation ever presented itself, not that someone is going to stand defiantly in his doorway and take a round in the chest in front of his kids rather than hand his firearms over.
But in reality, there would still be people that would do that on principle.
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Oh brother ::) You're going to compare yourself to the Afghanis and Vietnamese? Not only was the terrain completely different (jungle and mountainous caves), but these people were fighting for their lives and being supported by other governments.
If it really ever came down to it, most of these Ted Nugent wannabes, would fold in 2 secs if a team of navy seals came busting through their door. And for the rest of the nut jobs that actually tried to put up any kind of resistance, just google branch davidians to see how that would end :)
Oh brother ::) You're going to compare yourself to the Afghanis and Vietnamese? Not only was the terrain completely different (jungle and mountainous caves), but these people were fighting for their lives and being supported by other governments.
Where did I compare myself to either? I didn't. I said the cartoon isn't accurate because people with just rifles and motors have stifled the American War machine for decades at a time , that's the nature of war these days
If it really ever came down to it, most of these Ted Nugent wannabes, would fold in 2 secs if a team of navy seals came busting through their door. And for the rest of the nut jobs that actually tried to put up any kind of resistance, just google branch davidians to see how that would end :)
I'm not a particular fan of Ted Nugent or his shitty music , although he does speak some truth and way to label every gun owner a right-wing nut case , and NO I'm not a member of the NRA either
And FYI they don't send SEALS to collect guns , they only go after high profile assets.
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And in the end what do stricter guns laws do? punish people who intend to follow them and criminals by nature don't. Very strict policies on drugs in this country yet people get them and abuse them
Yes.
And, I hope the first part of your post also holds true.
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americans think when the possibilty of revolution happens,becomes reality, theyll be fighting from home and still go to mcdonalds drive in when hungry.
as long they got the guns.lol.how gullible, how much in for a rude awakening.
i dont even know where to start listing stuff.
however, hugo chavezs forces have been shoting unarmed civilians while my brother was there, not very nice.
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Who thinks that? I think most realize how brutal an American civil war would be and the sacrifices that it would entail, and that victory would be anything but guaranteed. It would be about the principle, not about the firearms themselves.
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americans think when the possibilty of revolution happens,becomes reality, theyll be fighting from home and still go to mcdonalds drive in when hungry.
as long they got the guns.lol.how gullible, how much in for a rude awakening.
i dont even know where to start listing stuff.
however, hugo chavezs forces have been shoting unarmed civilians while my brother was there, not very nice.
They think they going to start shooting from the roof of their houses ;D,
They think that they can fight the government without a leader .
They think that they don't need to organize
They think that they won't need help from other Nations .
They think that they won't need real weapons ....
Oh brother ::)
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They think they going to start shooting from the roof of their houses ;D,
They think that they can fight the government without a leader .
They think that they don't need to organize
They think that they won't need help from other Nations .
They think that they won't need real weapons ....
Oh brother ::)
Yeah, all that is an instant fail. With the possible exception of the other nations part, there are plenty of resources available right here.
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Yup, and 99% of people would say "fuck, this is BULLSHIT" as they turn their guns over to the proper authorities.
Like some father of three with a good job who is planning on retiring in 5 years is going to risk having his family killed in a firefight, and he's now looking at serious jail time if he's not killed himself... so he can keep his precious guns.
Let's keep this discussion based in reality, shall we
Groink
like the reality
you enjoy while
popping pills
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They demonize ARs when all of the shootings could be done with any type of firearms. A few small caliber pistols can do as much damage or a few pump shotguns with buckshot. A sword taken on an unsuspecting crowd could kill a dozen people.
And you can forget Obama sending troops to residences to seize assault rifles. The first paranoid hick in the backwoods loaded with firearms and booby traps waiting on these things to happen would probably take a few out.
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Where did I compare myself to either? I didn't. I said the cartoon isn't accurate because people with just rifles and motors have stifled the American War machine for decades at a time , that's the nature of war these days
I'm not a particular fan of Ted Nugent or his shitty music , although he does speak some truth and way to label every gun owner a right-wing nut case , and NO I'm not a member of the NRA either
And FYI they don't send SEALS to collect guns , they only go after high profile assets.
ok....so let's pose the hypothetical.
Guns are outlawed in the US, and you own three registered legal firearms. a month from now the local sherriff comes to your door with a court order to sieze your guns. what are you going to do?
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With the possible exception of the other nations part, there are plenty of resources available right here.
It would be impossible without the help ( money and other resources ) from other nations.
BTW , how's your boy doing ?
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ok....so let's pose the hypothetical.
Guns are outlawed in the US, and you own three registered legal firearms. a month from now the local sherriff comes to your door with a court order to sieze your guns. what are you going to do?
Groink
steroids and
perscription pills
are outlawed
have they come
nocking on
your door
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It would be impossible without the help ( money and other resources ) from other nations.
BTW , how's your boy doing ?
He's doing well, holding him right now actually. My priorities certainly changed. Lol.
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He's doing well, holding him right now actually. My priorities certainly changed. Lol.
I'm glad he's doing well , yeah my priorities have changed radically ,I'm a totally different person now after having a kid.
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ok....so let's pose the hypothetical.
Guns are outlawed in the US, and you own three registered legal firearms. a month from now the local sherriff comes to your door with a court order to sieze your guns. what are you going to do?
Hard to say , but this I know , I've never been in trouble with the law and if by fiat than made me into a criminal , I don't have to and wouldn't hand over my firearms , not bravado or posturing but I'm not just handing over my firearms because some politician said so
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Obama essentially flooded the market with his silly rhetoric .. He's actually made it worse...
That's what he does for a living.
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Hard to say , but this I know , I've never been in trouble with the law and if by fiat than made me into a criminal , I don't have to and wouldn't hand over my firearms , not bravado or posturing but I'm not just handing over my firearms because some politician said so
I believe his hypothetical is that a search and seizure team is standing over you with rifles pointed at you, are you going to hand them over or take the round/go to jail?
It's kind of a no shit hypothetical, because the government doesn't have the kind of manpower or resources to pull off such a massive undertaking (confiscating all the firearms before the citizens started to organize and react)
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their opposition would have,haha:
-nukes
-best navy worldwide
-best airforce ever
-heavy artillery, their houses would be blown off their property grounds from 2miles away.
haha now imagine the average redneck with "assault" rifle ;D
They had all that during Vietnam , Iraq and Afghanistan. the nature of war has changed no more guys in uniforms fighting for land
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their opposition would have,haha:
-nukes
-best navy worldwide
-best airforce ever
-heavy artillery, their houses would be blown off their property grounds from 2miles away.
haha now imagine the average redneck with "assault" rifle ;D
1st 2 are irrelevant. No government is going to nuke themselves, and the Navy would be extremely limited in an American civil war. Not to mention that again, you are operating under the huge assumption that the citizens serving in the military would be just fine with turning their weapons on their fellow citizens.
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They had all that during Vietnam , Iraq and Afghanistan. the nature of war has changed no more guys in uniforms fighting for land
Don't worry about galeniko, it is in his bloodline to run like a coward in the face of trouble.
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Don't worry about galeniko, it is in his bloodline to run like a coward in the face of trouble.
;D
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I believe his hypothetical is that a search and seizure team is standing over you with rifles pointed at you, are you going to hand them over or take the round/go to jail?
It's kind of a no shit hypothetical, because the government doesn't have the kind of manpower or resources to pull off such a massive undertaking (confiscating all the firearms before the citizens started to organize and react)
i'm not saying that at all. i'm saying the local sheriff, who you might even know...comes to your door and says "hey Jim, sorry to bother you but you have three registered guns at this adress, i'm going to need those guns"
you really think anyone with a brain and a family, and any kind of career, is going to throw it all away and become a fugitive so they can keep their guns?
people aren't going to fight back...lol
nobody wants to die
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ok....so let's pose the hypothetical.
Guns are outlawed in the US, and you own three registered legal firearms. a month from now the local sherriff comes to your door with a court order to sieze your guns. what are you going to do?
Go out the back door with guns jump on my motorcycle the guns, go to the mountains and hide out.
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Once a few law enforcement people get killed w this bullshit - they will think twice about raiding peoples homes.
Cops dont want to die either.
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X1000
Comparing Vietnam ,Afghanistan with Ted Nutgun , Narcisdeity ...............is fucking retarded ,
The American Government know who you are ,they speak your language ,they know where you live , they know where you work ,how much money you make ,what car you drive , they know your family ............etc
The reality is that 99% of American citizens are bunch of pussies ( yes you too Tony mctones ) and like Mindspin said they would fold in less than 2 sec .
The revolution has to start from scratch by a real man that rejects passivity, accepts responsibility, and leads courageously for the greater reward and also he would need help from other real men and foreign nations .
LOL dont know why I got singled out in this, but I will say thanks for getting my name right.
I never claimed to be some billy bad ass and you dont have to be to see the writing on the wall. First you guys seem to think the govt knows where all the guns are. If that were the case we wouldnt be talking about gun bans as they would just go to the criminals that have them and take theirs.
The govt isnt going to go house to house searching for guns and if they do you can bet your idiotic ass most would hide their guns and some would straight refuse resulting in jail for most and death for some.
The govt isnt going to nuke itself and its going to try and limit innocent causalties. Meaning they arent going to be conducting airstrikes in neighborhoods. ::) goodness gracious you guys are dense.
They try to limit causalties in foreign air strikes you really think they are just going to kill everyone regardless of if they own a gun or not?
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navy is very usefull, not just as agression tool.they can make sure no goods coming your way from anywhere etc.
Canada/Mexico broseph. And again, you're making the huge assumption that everyone in the Navy is going to be cool with that.
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thats right, im not stupid enough to fight for someones flag or religious beliefs.
That's what they all say.
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i'm not saying that at all. i'm saying the local sheriff, who you might even know...comes to your door and says "hey Jim, sorry to bother you but you have three registered guns at this adress, i'm going to need those guns"
you really think anyone with a brain and a family, and any kind of career, is going to throw it all away and become a fugitive so they can keep their guns?
people aren't going to fight back...lol
nobody wants to die
Groink the founding fathers had a LOT to lose and yet they did it , I'm NOT comparing myself to them but this country was founded on people who have had enough and by people who believed in something bigger than themselves
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Once a few law enforcement people get killed w this bullshit - they will think twice about raiding peoples homes.
Cops dont want to die either.
Yep local cops will be pissing their pants.
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i'm not saying that at all. i'm saying the local sheriff, who you might even know...comes to your door and says "hey Jim, sorry to bother you but you have three registered guns at this adress, i'm going to need those guns"
you really think anyone with a brain and a family, and any kind of career, is going to throw it all away and become a fugitive so they can keep their guns?
people aren't going to fight back...lol
nobody wants to die
first youre assuming that the govt knows where all the guns are, if they did we wouldnt need to talk about banning guns, gun free zones etc. b/c they would just confiscate the guns from criminals.
FACT is the govt doesnt know who owns guns and who doesnt.
SECOND youre assuming that all gun owners are just going to give their guns up instead of hide them, saying they sold them or resisting at the expense of jail time and YES even death.
Dont you live in New Jersey or there abouts Groink?
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Groink
too worried
about getting
high to be
conserned with
gun laws
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Groink
too worried
about getting
artificail muscles to be
conserned with
gun laws
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they didnt go full out in these, cept iraq for a bit.
the iraquis been armed too, btw.lol
navy is very usefull, not just as agression tool.they can make sure no goods coming your way from anywhere etc.
thats right, im not stupid enough to fight for someones flag or religious beliefs.
yes but there going to go full out on american soil right?
drop nukes, kill indescriminately, not worry about innocent causalties?
RIGHT, RIGHT ::)
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Without the second amendment, we cannot defend the rest if them.
The Evil in the world likes an unarmed citizenry.
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look, if everything goes tits up, you just enlist and fight for...whatver.lol.
you will end up a statistic, crippled or with mental disorder.
ill be sure to sit in a safe nation.
meanwhile, hammer into the keyboard some more.
i bet youre the kinda guy who wears camo clothing in private.
Listen you biological coward - no i don't wear camo. Cowards like you would have no countries to run to and seek refugee status in if it weren't for the few people and nations who were willing to fight for their dignity. The cowards always rely on the brave for defense.
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they dont seem to care about that on foreign soil, just give it some time.
maybe by the time a revolution comes along, theyll have robot soldiers.maybe we gonna have some centuries more of peace.
ill enjoy life meanwhile
If by enjoy you mean bending over and taking it up the proverbial ass(hopefully just proverbial) by anyone/anything you feel you cant do anything against(even if you can)
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look, if everything goes tits up, you just enlist and fight for...whatver.lol.
you will end up a statistic, crippled or with mental disorder.
ill be sure to sit in a safe nation.
meanwhile, hammer into the keyboard some more.
i bet youre the kinda guy who wears camo clothing in private.
You don't believe that some ideas are worth more than your life? As in, if your country came under attack, or decided to start subjugating/murdering some random group of people (that doesn't include yourself), you wouldn't think that it's worth laying your life down to defend it/them?
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i did all the required military duties for the citizens here, and seeing as how military is mandatory here ,unlike in the usa, i probably did more than you clowns.
i hated it and would never do again, but i was there.
kicked out, btw.and proud.
So you never completed it. This explains a lot.
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You don't believe that some ideas are worth more than your life? As in, if your country came under attack, or decided to start subjugating/murdering some random group of people (that doesn't include yourself), you wouldn't think that it's worth laying your life down to defend it/them?
No, neither he nor his parents, that is why they ran away to a country with some balls to seek refuge.
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i did all the required military duties for the citizens here, and seeing as how military is mandatory here ,unlike in the usa, i probably did more than you clowns.
i hated it and would never do again, but i was there.
kicked out, btw.and proud.
what does this have to do with anything in my post you quoted?
you think that gives you credibility on the subject of a foreign countries politics, culture and rights?
LMFAO you really underestimate how little we care about foreigners opinions in the US.
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first youre assuming that the govt knows where all the guns are, if they did we wouldnt need to talk about banning guns, gun free zones etc. b/c they would just confiscate the guns from criminals.
FACT is the govt doesnt know who owns guns and who doesnt.
SECOND youre assuming that all gun owners are just going to give their guns up instead of hide them, saying they sold them or resisting at the expense of jail time and YES even death.
Dont you live in New Jersey or there abouts Groink?
they know who owns the registered ones.
yes saying you sold them, or hiding them...that will make them just go away...they will take your word for it ::)
99% of people would hand over their guns. i'm not saying they would be happy about it
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Groink
not everyone
is a coward
that cant face
the truth and
burys there face
in drugs like
you do some
men will
fight and it
only takes one
to start
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they know who owns the registered ones.
yes saying you sold them, or hiding them...that will make them just go away...they will take your word for it ::)
99% of people would hand over their guns. i'm not saying they would be happy about it
hahah and how many guns are registered? how many of those registered guns are still in the same hands?
LOL where you from Groink? arent you from New Jersey?
If I remember correctly youre from the northeast which means youre probably not in tune with the gun culture in America outside of your area. There are plenty of ppl that would go to bat for the 2nd ammendment and what it represents.
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you underestimate how little i care about the usa i think.
hey groink, do you also wonder where those hardasses have been during catrina in new orleans, where everyone handed in their guns :D
"from my cold dead hands" hahahaha, yeah right.
and that australian kid "badboyscoutdazza" isnt even allowed to carry a gun down there, i wonder why hes even postin on the subject.
You post on the subject. Why can't dazza?
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and that australian kid "badboyscoutdazza" isnt even allowed to carry a gun down there, i wonder why hes even postin on the subject.
Actually, I can carry a gun, just not a semi auto.
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you underestimate how little i care about the usa i think.
hey groink, do you also wonder where those hardasses have been during catrina in new orleans, where everyone handed in their guns :D
"from my cold dead hands" hahahaha, yeah right.
and that australian kid "badboyscoutdazza" isnt even allowed to carry a gun down there, i wonder why hes even postin on the subject.
Not everyone handed over their firearms during Katrina. A guy I know refused to hand his pistol over when he was down there to help his brother, they didn't do shit about it.
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you underestimate how little i care about the usa i think.
hey groink, do you also wonder where those hardasses have been during catrina in new orleans, where everyone handed in their guns :D
"from my cold dead hands" hahahaha, yeah right.
and that australian kid "badboyscoutdazza" isnt even allowed to carry a gun down there, i wonder why hes even postin on the subject.
obviously you care enough to post on an american board about american issues trying to sound educated enough on the subject to not come across as a complete dumb ass but fail miserably...
hahahaha hand in their guns? are you fucking retarded? there were shootings IN THE SUPERDOME.
I live in Houston, Tx moron where they bused alot of the refuges after Katrina. Do you know what happend to incident rate on gun related crime after Katrina?
IT FUCKING SKY ROCKETED, "handed in their guns" lmfao
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Really? What are you and your Bushmaster rifle going to do against drones and apache helicopters?
So you don't think if there was some type of govt "takeover" that a population armed couldn't do a better job of resisting than an unarmed one? Wow........
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So you don't think if there was some type of govt "takeover" that a population armed couldn't do a better job of resisting than an unarmed one? Wow........
Exactly Show, fight to the end.
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Not surprising to see several getbiggers bending over and inviting their Uncle Sam to come fuck them in the ass.
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Not surprising to see several getbiggers bending over and inviting their Uncle Sam to come fuck them in the ass.
Chaos, there is no doubt in my mind that you've been sucking cock. Every one of your posts has some sort of homoerotic comment. Just come out. We'll support you :D
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Really? What are you and your Bushmaster rifle going to do against drones and apache helicopters?
This.
We shouldn't be allowed to own guns because the Military has helicopters.
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Chaos, there is no doubt in my mind that you've been sucking cock. Every one of your posts has some sort of homoerotic comment. Just come out. We'll support you :D
You first, Midgetspin. :-*
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This.
We shouldn't be allowed to own guns because the Military has helicopters.
What do you need semi automatic and/or fully automatic rifles/machine guns for?
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What do you need semi automatic and/or fully automatic rifles/machine guns for?
None of your damn business. How about that?
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What do you need semi automatic and/or fully automatic rifles/machine guns for?
Why do you need a car that exceeds the speed limit? Why do you need to make more than minimum wage? Why do you need to take drunk men from behind?
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Why do you need a car that exceeds the speed limit? Why do you need to make more than minimum wage? Why do you need to take drunk men from behind?
Careful chaos, or Mindspun will put you in a rear-naked choke....
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Careful chaos, or Mindspun will put you in a rear-naked choke....
Never happen, I don't drink.
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What do you need semi automatic and/or fully automatic rifles/machine guns for?
why do the police need them?
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You first, Midgetspin. :-*
That long hair is looking good man...
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That long hair is looking good man...
Bullshit, chaos doesn't play the guitar!
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Bullshit, chaos doesn't play the guitar!
But does Chaos play guitar HERO? ???
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But does Chaos play guitar HERO? ???
Once. And I was embarrassed by a 7 year old. :-[