The majority of Americans - Are they liberal? NEW POLL RESULTS

[240 is Back]

I'm not talking about these "self-diagnosed" polls where people decide they support amnesty, gun control, welfare, and a dozen oother things, while at the same time saying "Ya know, I've always been conservative..."

I'm talking about the 305 million people living in this nation.  The big low-populated chunks of land voting repub, and the densely populated coastlines voting democrat.  

Look around you - what % of people are responsible, hard working conservatives that actually subscribe to conservative beliefs?  What % of americans want ot be coddled, support liberal ideals, etc.   I contend it's possible more than 50% of this country subscribes to some liberal beliefs.  What say you?

Polls say YES, we are a nation of liberals...

[OzmO]

Isn't there actual polls that have been conducted on this?

[Dos Equis]

Isn't there actual polls that have been conducted on this?

Yes.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/166787/liberal-self-identification-edges-new-high-2013.aspx

http://www.gallup.com/poll/152021/conservatives-remain-largest-ideological-group.aspx

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/02/the_solid_conservative_majority.html

[Kazan]

The Majority of Americans want to be left alone and don't really give a shit what anyone else does, as long as it doesn't affect them. A small percentage are actually right or left ideologues.

"It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent
moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his
cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our
own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."---C. S. Lewis

[OzmO]

Yes.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/166787/liberal-self-identification-edges-new-high-2013.aspx

http://www.gallup.com/poll/152021/conservatives-remain-largest-ideological-group.aspx

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/02/the_solid_conservative_majority.html

and yet OB got elected to a second term.

And people still think Romney wasn't a turd.

HAHAHAHA 

[Dos Equis]

and yet OB got elected to a second term.

And people still think Romney wasn't a turd.

HAHAHAHA 

It's a lot more complicated than just looking at whether most Americans are conservatives versus the election results.  Money, the media, Alinsky's Rules, the ground game on election day, etc. all play major factors. 

Romney wasn't a turd. 

[240 is Back]

I'm talking about what YOU think of those around you.  Do you look at 100 people you know and say "Yeah, at least 51 of them are totally not libs?"

You give them polls asking them if they're shitty liberals or responsible conservatives, they're going to do anything to run from the negative word "liberal".   FOX new and its minions have demonized it.  But do at least 50% of americans ACT like it?  Be honest here. 

[240 is Back]

I'm not talking about "what do self-diagnosing polls say"?

I'm talking about what YOU see.   Are at least 50.1% of people around you actual, hard working, serious, focused, productive, non-leaches that give a shit about the USA and aren't just here to milk everything they can from the federal govt teet?

I look around, and I don't see that.  I see the majority as leeches and less than 50% of people are actual conservatives that subscribe to conservative ideals.

You can't be a conservative and support gun contorl, right?
You cant be a conservative and support abotion, right?

Start listing them.  Maybe if you want to include self-diagnosing conservatives that support amnesty and gun contorl... yikes...

[Jack T. Cross]

Don't most people refer to themselves as independents, now? A real laugh, right there.

[Jack T. Cross]

The Majority of Americans want to be left alone and don't really give a shit what anyone else does, as long as it doesn't affect them. A small percentage are actually right or left ideologues.

"It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent
moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his
cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our
own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."---C. S. Lewis

With our technology, the robber barons have become the absolute worst sort of busybodies, though, of course. (and we should be so lucky for there to be any authentic, heartfelt morality attached whatsoever. Quite the opposite, in fact.)

It's interesting how the meaning of this quote can give such different ideas over time.

[OzmO]

It's a lot more complicated than just looking at whether most Americans are conservatives versus the election results.  Money, the media, Alinsky's Rules, the ground game on election day, etc. all play major factors. 

Romney wasn't a turd. 

Sounds like then the political make up of the country is irrelevant. 

Liberal Media, Liberal President, Mostly conservative country. 

If money affects election results than conservatives voted for OBAMA over Romney, which for them to do that means they saw romney as a turd who because of his political party or whatever didn't feel he would serve their interests.

[240 is Back]

Liberal Media, Liberal President, Mostly conservative country. 

Really?  mostly conservative?  So 51% of americans are against amnesty, gun control, abortion, big govt, etc?

In that case, wowsers, the media is completely pwning the shit out of them, tricking them into nominating a RINO (romney, or mccain) and voting dem.   Imagine being outsmarted by a cable news network that nobody watch that speaks to viewers at the 7th grade level.

So to be clear - at least voters are 51% conservative - BUT they're naive and stupid enough to be tricked into voting for democrats almost every time?  Yikes.... I dont know what is scarier, living in a nation run by college educated liberals, or naive conservatives.

[Dos Equis]

Sounds like then the political make up of the country is irrelevant. 

Liberal Media, Liberal President, Mostly conservative country. 

If money affects election results than conservatives voted for OBAMA over Romney, which for them to do that means they saw romney as a turd who because of his political party or whatever didn't feel he would serve their interests.

I wouldn't say it's irrelevant.  It's just complicated. 

We have a mostly Republican (not necessarily conservative) government across the country (state and federal). 

I know a lot of people didn't like Romney, although I'm not sure there was much crossover in 2012.  People stayed home and Romney got killed in the ground game.  The Obama get-out-the-vote machine was vastly superior to Romney. 

[OzmO]

Really?  mostly conservative?  So 51% of americans are against amnesty, gun control, abortion, big govt, etc?

In that case, wowsers, the media is completely pwning the shit out of them, tricking them into nominating a RINO (romney, or mccain) and voting dem.   Imagine being outsmarted by a cable news network that nobody watch that speaks to viewers at the 7th grade level.

So to be clear - at least voters are 51% conservative - BUT they're naive and stupid enough to be tricked into voting for democrats almost every time?  Yikes.... I dont know what is scarier, living in a nation run by college educated liberals, or naive conservatives.

Maybe you should read the poll links and re post

[240 is Back]

Maybe you should read the poll links and re post

Sorry, but I don't consider a person who says "ya know, I'm totally not liberal" to be a conservative if they support amnesty.

Do you? 

See, they'll sway these polls and be counted as conservative - but they're obviously not.

[Straw Man]

Isn't there actual polls that have been conducted on this?

Yes, every 4 years on one day in early November

[Jack T. Cross]

Crazy thing is, nearly every one of us wants life to be genuinely good for all.

[OzmO]

Sorry, but I don't consider a person who says "ya know, I'm totally not liberal" to be a conservative if they support amnesty.

Do you? 

See, they'll sway these polls and be counted as conservative - but they're obviously not.

Lots of assumptions in your post.  Any data to back it up?

[240 is Back]

Yes.  Turns out, they are more liberal.

America Is Becoming a Bit More Liberal. That's Pretty Unusual Six Years Into a Democratic Presidency


http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/05/america-becoming-bit-more-liberal-thats-pretty-unusual-six-years-democratic-presi


America Is Becoming a Bit More Liberal. That's Pretty Unusual Six Years Into a Democratic Presidency.

—By Kevin Drum
| Fri May 30, 2014 12:21 PM EDT


Why are there more moderate Democrats than moderate Republicans? This has never been because Democrats are spineless wimps who won't stand up for liberal values. The main reason is simple: there aren't very many self-identified liberals in America. There never have been. Self-IDed conservatives have outnumbered self-IDed liberals by 10-15 percentage points for decades. This means that Democrats are forced to appeal more to the center than Republicans are.

But Gallup reports that this is changing. On social issues, the ID gap has narrowed to nearly zero. On economic issues conservatives still have a healthy 21 percentage point lead, but that's way down from 2010.

[Kazan]

Yes.  Turns out, they are more liberal.

America Is Becoming a Bit More Liberal. That's Pretty Unusual Six Years Into a Democratic Presidency


http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/05/america-becoming-bit-more-liberal-thats-pretty-unusual-six-years-democratic-presi


America Is Becoming a Bit More Liberal. That's Pretty Unusual Six Years Into a Democratic Presidency.

—By Kevin Drum
| Fri May 30, 2014 12:21 PM EDT


Why are there more moderate Democrats than moderate Republicans? This has never been because Democrats are spineless wimps who won't stand up for liberal values. The main reason is simple: there aren't very many self-identified liberals in America. There never have been. Self-IDed conservatives have outnumbered self-IDed liberals by 10-15 percentage points for decades. This means that Democrats are forced to appeal more to the center than Republicans are.

But Gallup reports that this is changing. On social issues, the ID gap has narrowed to nearly zero. On economic issues conservatives still have a healthy 21 percentage point lead, but that's way down from 2010.

Not surprised, from the "morality" they teach in school to the constant barrage of PC crap on TV. Just like every other "movement", the objective is the get to the youth.

[240 is Back]

Not surprised, from the "morality" they teach in school to the constant barrage of PC crap on TV. Just like every other "movement", the objective is the get to the youth.

AGREED.   And so many conservatives are trapped in the belief 'Oh, most people are hard working conservatives, just a few libs ruining things"

Look around anywhere you go... the majoriy of americans are liberal, tough to deny it.  Now we have polling and election data that kinda proves it.

[Kazan]

AGREED.   And so many conservatives are trapped in the belief 'Oh, most people are hard working conservatives, just a few libs ruining things"

Look around anywhere you go... the majoriy of americans are liberal, tough to deny it.  Now we have polling and election data that kinda proves it.

It proves this country needs a reset......

[240 is Back]

It proves this country needs a reset......

sadly, the repubs aren't doing that - they are moving LEFT instead.  Romney supporting minimum wage.   Almost all of them going for amnesty.  They think the way to 'defeat' the left is to go left themselves, and maybe win over the liberal voters.  In doing that, they're admitting liberals rule the country.  If you can't beat em, JOIN EM!

[dario73]

Nah, the majority of "Americans" are libtard socialist morons.

"Americans" because that is now a term used for the sainted, patriotic illegal immigrant invaders. Just ask Piglosi and the Democrats who in their mind is an American. Hint: It is not the tax paying LEGAL citizen.

[Kazan]

sadly, the repubs aren't doing that - they are moving LEFT instead.  Romney supporting minimum wage.   Almost all of them going for amnesty.  They think the way to 'defeat' the left is to go left themselves, and maybe win over the liberal voters.  In doing that, they're admitting liberals rule the country.  If you can't beat em, JOIN EM!

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy."

Won't be long now........