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Penn files complaint against St. Pierre, seeks no-contest ruling of UFC 94 bout
by Steve Sievert on Mar 12, 2009 at 8:50 am ET
B.J. Penn has filed a formal complaint with the Nevada State Athletic Commission, alleging that Georges St. Pierre used illegal means to gain an unfair advantage in their welterweight title bout at UFC 94 in January.
MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) has learned that the complaint seeks to declare St. Pierre's victory in the Jan. 31 fight a "no contest" and requests that the NSAC suspend the licenses of St. Pierre, trainer Greg Jackson and cornerman Phil Nurse.
In addition, Penn is seeking a $250,000 fine to be levied against the trio.
The complaint states that St. Pierre's body was "highly and unnaturally slippery well beyond that contemplated and experienced by veteran mixed martial arts fighters and, based thereon, Penn alleges that the application of Vaseline/petroleum jelly or some substance to Pierre's (sic) body by his agents, employees or co-conspirators during the bout was not innocent and/or inadvertent act or mistake, but, in fact, a calculated strategy and an intentional act by Pierre to have a substance applied to his body during the bout that would result in his body becoming highly and unnaturally slippery."
"This was one hundred percent intentional and orchestrated," said attorney Raffi Nahabedian, who filed the complaint on behalf of Penn Monday. "B.J. truly believes that if he (St. Pierre) wasn't as slippery, it would have been a vastly different bout."
The complaint also states that Penn is not alone in his accusations against the UFC welterweight champion. Penn contends "other renowned mixed martial arts fighters have openly complained of and expressed statements consistent with Penn's experience during his bout against Pierre, that is, Pierre's body was highly and unnaturally slippery."
Matt Hughes, Sean Sherk and Jason Miller all have raised questions about the slipperiness of St. Pierre in their bouts against the Canadian.
The smoking gun in Penn's case against St. Pierre is the video from the fight that clearly shows Nurse massaging St. Pierre's back after applying petroleum jelly to his hands to rub St. Pierre's face between rounds. The St. Pierre camp contends that the rubbing of his back was part of a breathing technique.
"The breathing technique is a red herring," said Nahabedian in an exclusive interview with MMAjunkie.com. "It's hard to deny that something wasn't going on, and we believe the fact that he was overly slippery calls into question the integrity of the fight."
Allegations from the Penn camp have been supported by UFC President Dana White, who told the Canadian Press last month:
"Do I think that he got greased? Yeah, I do. Absolutely, 100 percent, I think that that guy (Nurse) was rubbing grease on him. Do I think Georges was trying to cheat? Absolutely not at all. But, that corner man was rubbing grease on him. You cannot do that. You put another fighter at a huge disadvantage, which is very dangerous. I think he was. I do. I think he absolutely, positively knew that he was rubbing grease on him. I do. Nobody can tell me different. I watched the tape a million times."
The complaint goes on to state that the slipperiness of St. Pierre's body made it difficult for Penn to mount an offense in the fight and utilize his trademark Brazilian jiu jitsu and grappling skills. The Penn camp also alleges that as a direct result of St. Pierre's "greasing," Penn suffered a concussion in the bout because St. Pierre was "able to readily and easily slip out of Penn's renowned defensive and offensive submission holds and techniques. As such, Penn was unable to fairly and properly defend himself."
The 20-page complaint also draws a direct comparison between "greasing up" to cheat and taking steroids to do the same. Penn asserts that achieving an unsanctioned advantage by applying a slippery substance to the body is "no different than an unarmed combatant using steroids to gain an unfair, illegal and unsanctioned advantage over his opponent."
St. Pierre won by TKO after Penn's corner stopped the bout following the fourth round.
"This complaint was filed to preserve the sanctity and credibility of the sport," said Nahabedian. "That is of paramount importance to B.J."
Penn's camp has requested an NSAC hearing on the matter. A date for a formal hearing has not been scheduled. However, issues surrounding the St. Pierre-Penn fight are due to be discussed at the commission's next meeting on Tuesday.
Steve Sievert is the lead staff writer and business columnist for MMAjunkie.com. He is also the former MMA beat writer and lead blogger for the Houston Chronicle.
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...requests that the NSAC suspend the licenses of St. Pierre, trainer Greg Jackson and cornerman Phil Nurse.
What a fucking loser....
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What if the accussations are true? Is it so hard to believe that? It's likely not true but what if it was?
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He is really making an ass out of himself at this point.
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B.J. Penn is a fucking douche. I always thought he was highly overrated anyway but I cannot stand his lack of sportsmanship. I think KenFlo's time has come. I'm picking Florian to beat him and end Penn's career.
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Take your loss and move on. He was really well respected and now he is losing his credibility. He got his ass beat, ask for a rematch and try to redeem yourself.
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hahaha What a fuckin idiot. He looks like a bigger douche every time he opens his mouth.
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B.J. Penn is a fucking douche. I always thought he was highly overrated anyway but I cannot stand his lack of sportsmanship. I think KenFlo's time has come. I'm picking Florian to beat him and end Penn's career.
I think Florian has a pretty good chance to. I'd love to see him lose that belt. I was never a BJ fan but always had respect for the guy. Not anymore. What a fuck face.
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FUCKIN DOUCHEBAG!!!!
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FUCKIN DOUCHEBAG!!!!
x2.
Penn's a fag.
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I've lost my fair share of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu matches and I never thought of claiming my opponent was "too slippery." I guess my lawyer skills are slipping.
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I've lost my fair share of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu matches and I never thought of claiming my opponent was "too slippery." I guess my lawyer skills are slipping.
Maybe the difference is you took your loss like a man?
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I could maybe understand penn's whining if the fight had been somewhat even , but he received a 4 round non stop beatdown until he decided to throw the towel in and not come back for the 5th, it was absolute domination, St.Pierre could have been coated head to to toe in vaseline , it wouldn't have made any difference, Penn never had a chance. He is beyond fucking delusional.
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he should have been in the wrecked farrari
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What if the accussations are true? Is it so hard to believe that? It's likely not true but what if it was?
Even if they are true...he lost. Ask for a re-match, instead of pulling this shit.
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Even if they are true...he lost. Ask for a re-match, instead of pulling this shit.
That's my whole point though!!! he didn't just lose, he got beaten to a fucking pulp and spent a few days in the hospital afterwards...
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That's my whole point though!!! he didn't just lose, he got beaten to a fucking pulp and spent a few days in the hospital afterwards...
That vaseline is dangerous. :o
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Even if they are true...he lost. Ask for a re-match, instead of pulling this shit.
He's too much of a pussy to do that - now he wants St. Pierre's license suspended - how convenient ::)
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he fucked up in this statement. he said himself the fighter had no intention of cheating or having vaseline rubbed on him.
the only person he can have banned now is the corner man. Accountability.
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He's too much of a pussy to do that - now he wants St. Pierre's license suspended - how convenient ::)
WTF is that on your avatar ???
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WTF is that on your avatar ???
I agree that BJ got his ass handed to him, but rules were broken in this fight on St. Pierre's team. I don't even like BJ as a person, but I feel that he is completely justified in making this request. Bottom line...St. Pierre had grease applied to him. Nobody can deny that. That is illegal.PERIOD!
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I agree that BJ got his ass handed to him, but rules were broken in this fight on St. Pierre's team. I don't even like BJ as a person, but I feel that he is completely justified in making this request. Bottom line...St. Pierre had grease applied to him. Nobody can deny that. That is illegal.PERIOD!
If BJ had, by some miracle, won the fight, do you think he'd be complaining about a little vaseline?
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If BJ had, by some miracle, won the fight, do you think he'd be complaining about a little vaseline?
It's not even an issue, the representative from the NSAC caught it at the break between 1st and 2nd rounds and had it removed from St.Pierre's body, IT HAD NO EFFECT ON THE OUTCOME OF THE BEATDOWN THAT BITCH PENN RECEIVED. 0
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He got punched to oblivion, taken down at will and hes still bitching about vaseline? lol give me a fucking break. GSP already said he'd beat BJ a third time- I honestly want to see that fight- just to see BJ get his fat fucking hawian gerber baby face smashed to pieces.
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He got punched to oblivion, taken down at will and hes still bitching about vaseline? lol give me a fucking break. GSP already said he'd beat BJ a third time- I honestly want to see that fight- just to see BJ get his fat fucking hawian gerber baby face smashed to pieces.
I wish the fucking loser would retire already, he's a disgrace to the sport, no one respects him anymore.
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IT HAD NO EFFECT ON THE OUTCOME OF THE BEATDOWN THAT BITCH PENN RECEIVED. 0
I know that and I agree, I was just pointing out to WeightPSHR that BJ is crying and making a scene because he was beaten so badly, seriously GSP outclassed BJ in every aspect.
I think they should fight again, in a "loser retires" match. ;D
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I know that and I agree, I was just pointing out to WeightPSHR that BJ is crying and making a scene because he was beaten so badly, seriously GSP outclassed BJ in every aspect.
I think they should fight again, in a "loser retires" match. ;D
Better yet, a winner takes all the $$$ match, where the winner gets both fighters purses!
;)
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I know that and I agree, I was just pointing out to WeightPSHR that BJ is crying and making a scene because he was beaten so badly, seriously GSP outclassed BJ in every aspect.
I think they should fight again, in a "loser retires" match. ;D
Say what you want...
Something ILLEGAL happend during the fight. A rule was broken. I am laughing at the idiots that think wiping vaseline off of St.Pierre actually got ALL the vaseline off. Come on...his corner applied grease to his body. How can you justify one of the most effective cheating tactics in the game?
Does not matter if it didn't effect the outcome. If a pitcher gets caught greasing the ball during a no hitter "by accident" is it just a forgivable mistake??
Rules are Rules
Cheating is Cheating.
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Say what you want...
Something ILLEGAL happend during the fight. A rule was broken. I am laughing at the idiots that think wiping vaseline off of St.Pierre actually got ALL the vaseline off. Come on...his corner applied grease to his body. How can you justify one of the most effective cheating tactics in the game?
Does not matter if it didn't effect the outcome. If a pitcher gets caught greasing the ball during a no hitter "by accident" is it just a forgivable mistake??
Rules are Rules
Cheating is Cheating.
And how did that vaseline help GSP punch/kick BJ while standing? Surely the vaseline would have come off on BJ also right? So why was GSP able to handily control BJ on the ground? It must have highly trained vaseline to only work against BJ.
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lol speaking of which- Matt Hughes was one of the assholes bitching also. I wonder if that bruce lee kick GSP knocked him into next sunday with was effected by "vaseline"
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lol speaking of which- Matt Hughes was one of the assholes bitching also. I wonder if that bruce lee kick GSP knocked him into next sunday with was effected by "vaseline"
If GSP wasn't all greased up Matt could have caught that kick and submitted GSP with a leg lock.
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If GSP wasn't all greased up Matt could have caught that kick and submitted GSP with a leg lock.
This whole argument is really senseless. St. Pierre is already paying the price and will forever be labeled as a cheater.
Does not matter anyways...He won their first fight by a "questionable" decision, and this fight had even more "questionable"
circumstances.
I will admit St. Pierre dominated BJ.
I say St. Pierre move up to 185...be a man and fight above your weight class like BJ did.
Or at least beat up people in your own weight class without cheating :o
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This whole argument is really senseless. St. Pierre is already paying the price and will forever be labeled as a cheater.
Strange, I see most people here labeling BJ as a whiny bitch that got his ass handed to him after telling the world he was going to try to kill his opponent. :-\
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Strange, I see most people here labeling BJ as a whiny bitch that got his ass handed to him after telling the world he was going to try to kill his opponent. :-\
Just so we are clear...I do not like BJ and St.Pierre USED to be my favorite fighter.
Being at the level St.Pierre is...there is no way to excuse what he did. He knew what was going on. I am thankful it got caught on camera and St.Pierre is the Barry Bonds of MMA. He is good, possibly the best P4P....but the question of "how much cheating has he done" will haunt him the rest of his career.
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Just so we are clear...I do not like BJ and St.Pierre USED to be my favorite fighter.
Being at the level St.Pierre is...there is no way to excuse what he did. He knew what was going on. I am thankful it got caught on camera and St.Pierre is the Barry Bonds of MMA. He is good, possibly the best P4P....but the question of "how much cheating has he done" will haunt him the rest of his career.
LOL @ St. Pierre being the "Barry Bonds" of MMA.....not even close. What a joke.
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LOL @ St. Pierre being the "Barry Bonds" of MMA.....not even close. What a joke.
;D
Some people are trying to make a big deal out of this thing, I don't really see the big deal, BJ never had a chance from the opening bell.
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Some people are trying to make a big deal out of this thing, I don't really see the big deal, BJ never had a chance from the opening bell.
It really is not a big deal. This is not about who the better fighter is...St. Pierre's corner put grease on him during the fight. BJ has every right to make a stink about this. Like I said earlier, St. Pierre is already paying the price. You have to admit...his squeaky clean, pristine reputation is gone forever.
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You know what then, give Penn a rematch and let him get banged up again. Makes him look even WORSE.
Asshole move.
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It really is not a big deal. This is not about who the better fighter is...St. Pierre's corner put grease on him during the fight. BJ has every right to make a stink about this. Like I said earlier, St. Pierre is already paying the price. You have to admit...his squeaky clean, pristine reputation is gone forever.
Please ::) It's a known fact that vaseline is part of the game. Even if it's just limited to the face, it ends up getting all over the place during the course of the fight. BJ is being a bitch and Florian is going to slice his forehead into submission.
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I hope the audience boos the shit out of BJ next time he fights.. and hope he loses too
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Please ::) It's a known fact that vaseline is part of the game. Even if it's just limited to the face, it ends up getting all over the place during the course of the fight. BJ is being a bitch and Florian is going to slice his forehead into submission.
I am not condoning BJ's behavior, I don't even like him and it is possible that he has pushed this a little too far.
But i just can't understand why people want to overlook "blatant cheating" by St. Pierre. We all know it was most likely insignificant in their fight, but regardless, purposely or not, cheating took place.
I say let them fight again, and let St.Pierre whoop BJ again with no questions asked! He does deserve that opportunity. ;D
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I saw the footage of Gsp's corner and I thought to myself "how much vasiline could his cornerman have possibly had on his hands when he went to GSP's back to make a real difference" ?
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Everyone is also forgetting that the referee checks both guys before they enter the cage, and pats them /rubs them down.
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The fact of the matter is this: Even one DROP of vaseline on your upper back will make you invincible in battle. It's a known fact that is never disputed. People supporting GSP are claiming that "it was a tiny bit, if anything" without realizing that even a "tiny bit" of vaseline guarantees victory. It's literally impossible to do anything but take repeated punches to the face if your opponent has vaseline anywhere on his body other than his face.
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The fact of the matter is this: Even one DROP of vaseline on your upper back will make you invincible in battle. It's a known fact that is never disputed. People supporting GSP are claiming that "it was a tiny bit, if anything" without realizing that even a "tiny bit" of vaseline guarantees victory. It's literally impossible to do anything but take repeated punches to the face if your opponent has vaseline anywhere on his body other than his face.
And this magic vaseline that only stays on someone's face during a fight, will that be available to the general public soon?
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From what I've heard, GSP actually rubs vaseline over his whole body before the fight, covers the body pretty good and then wipes the body dry with a towel.
Then once he works up a sweat in the cage all that vaseline comes out and he becomes a slippery SOB. 8)
Don't know how much truth there is to this, but IMO, GSP gets slippery as hell very quickly.
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From what I've heard, GSP actually rubs vaseline over his whole body before the fight, covers the body pretty good and then wipes the body dry with a towel.
Then once he works up a sweat in the cage all that vaseline comes out and he becomes a slippery SOB. 8)
Don't know how much truth there is to this, but IMO, GSP gets slippery as hell very quickly.
total BS. Try covering your body with vaseline and then wiping it off. It's not easy. They al get checked b4 stepping in the cage....
From what I understand, BJ does lupe up his ass-hole b4 fighting. Not sure what that's about.
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total BS. Try covering your body with vaseline and then wiping it off. It's not easy. They al get checked b4 stepping in the cage....
From what I understand, BJ does lupe up his ass-hole b4 fighting. Not sure what that's about.
While the substance may not be vaseline, there is truth to this. There are other substances that can be applied much before the fight that can be wiped clean. Then when excessive sweating starts they get greasy.
Several fighters have claimed this does happen. Florian for one had mentioned this.
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Has GSP ever gone down and fought BJ at his normal weight. BJ always goes up in weight and has fought heavyweight too. Losing in a weight class you normally don't compete in is not a career ending circumstance. Thats like in any sport that is separated by weight classes. That is why they are there. A 155 lb powerlifter is not going to lift more than a 185 lb. powerlifter. In most cases the heavier will win especially when that is his normal weight. ANyway, BJ DID get his ass kicked and it was embarrassing and he shouldn't have popped off like he did, but that was his way of getting himself pumped up and trying to get some kind of mental edge. It didn't work too well this time. Ali did it every fight as did Tyson. You could win a fight before you get into the ring if you can mentally get inside your opponents head. Same thing in armwrestling.
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Everybody forgets what is at issue here.
It is not about liking BJ or St.Pierre.
It is not about who won the fight.
It is about having vaseline applied to a fighters body during a fight. This may not have been cheating, but it is a broken rule.
One that happens to be a popular method of cheating.
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Everybody forgets what is at issue here.
It is not about liking BJ or St.Pierre.
It is not about who won the fight.
It is about having vaseline applied to a fighters body during a fight. This may not have been cheating, but it is a broken rule.
One that happens to be a popular method of cheating.
*YAWN*
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*YAWN*
I am not trying to be a dick, but everyone skips around the question of how breaking the rule that is also commonly uses as a cheat tactic is ok? A little or a lot, meaningful to the fight or not, vaseline was applied. I am just hoping to see the other side of this. I actually want to like St.Pierre again :)
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I am not trying to be a dick, but everyone skips around the question of how breaking the rule that is also commonly uses as a cheat tactic is ok? A little or a lot, meaningful to the fight or not, vaseline was applied. I am just hoping to see the other side of this. I actually want to like St.Pierre again :)
Maybe it's not OK, never gave it much thought as all I really hear about is BJ crying like a bitch and throwing a fit over getting his ass fucked up. ::)
I think it had little to no bearing on the outcome of the fight, so who cares?
Cue Onlyme with a 10 paragraph meltdown about GSP losing weight to fight at twink size. ::)
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Maybe for the 3rd fight Penn should add some stipulations to his contract ? like allowing the use of weapons for the Penn corner, full body armor, mace, handcuffs, police baton and just incase 2 extra fighters on Penn side ;)
maybe then it'll be a fair fight ??
oh and of course GSP can only use one limb to strike with and have his feet tied together with rope.
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Maybe it's not OK, never gave it much thought as all I really hear about is BJ crying like a bitch and throwing a fit over getting his ass fucked up. ::)
I think it had little to no bearing on the outcome of the fight, so who cares?
Cue Onlyme with a 10 paragraph meltdown about GSP losing weight to fight at twink size. ::)
Who cares? You do. You post in all the threads about this issue. Did you answer the question why GSP don't go up in weight and fight. Could it be he is scared.
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i think everyone is taking this too far....GSP can and maybe need to be punished for what he did (if he did) but that would not affect the end result...He did dominate the fight TOO MUCH to loose in other conditions...
i can bet that if BJ had win this fight, he would NEVER say a word about this vaseline stuff
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BJ has tons of talent and absolutely no heart.
He sucked against GSP and would've been slaughtered anyway.
But GSP should be DQ'd and have his belt stripped for using lube - I always believe cheats should be shown no mercy.
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Hedge, do you think steroid users in baseball should have their records taken away- or better yet, should teams that won games where steroids users impacted the outcome have their wins or world series titles rescinded? BJ lost. The "cheating" had no impact on the outcome. Whats done is done. I say, give the whiny little bitch a rematch and after he loses again, let him become irrelevant and lets move on with our lives.
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Hedge, do you think steroid users in baseball should have their records taken away- or better yet, should teams that won games where steroids users impacted the outcome have their wins or world series titles rescinded? BJ lost. The "cheating" had no impact on the outcome. Whats done is done. I say, give the whiny little bitch a rematch and after he loses again, let him become irrelevant and lets move on with our lives.
Win or Lose if GSP tested positive for drugs/steroids this would be a NC and he would be stripped of his title.
He had EXTRA lube applied to his body. Win or Lose...that is cheating.
Why is the lube different?
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Win or Lose if GSP tested positive for drugs/steroids this would be a NC and he would be stripped of his title.
He had EXTRA lube applied to his body. Win or Lose...that is cheating.
Why is the lube different?
you don't see any difference between some lube getting on his back, probably accidentally, and him intentionally gearing up?
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Who is this tit "WeightPSHR" he sounds like quite the whinny bitch.
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Win or Lose if GSP tested positive for drugs/steroids this would be a NC and he would be stripped of his title.
He had EXTRA lube applied to his body. Win or Lose...that is cheating.
Why is the lube different?
Hi BJ....
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Who is this tit "WeightPSHR" he sounds like quite the whinny bitch.
Kind of like B.J?
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you don't see any difference between some lube getting on his back, probably accidentally, and him intentionally gearing up?
Some grease was "APPLIED" to his back. Not just "getting on his back" There is film showing this. Accidental or not....it was applied.
Accidental drug consumption is treated the same as intentional....just to remind you.
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Kind of like B.J?
This has nothing to do with who won the fight. I don't even like BJ.
I am just saying GSP broke a rule and should be penalized.
IMO he is a fraud and cheat. I lost all respect for him as a fighter. I don't need BJ. I saw the film. That is all the proof I need.
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This has nothing to do with who won the fight. I don't even like BJ.
I am just saying GSP broke a rule and should be penalized.
IMO he is a fraud and cheat. I lost all respect for him as a fighter. I don't need BJ. I saw the film. That is all the proof I need.
You are completely missing the point THAT THE VASOLINE MADE NO DIFFERENCE IN THE FIGHT, BJ WAS GETTING DESTROYED IN STAND UP WHERE LUBE HAS 0 EFFECT. and THE NSAC REPRESENTATIVE WIPED THE VASELINE OFF OF GSP BETWEEN ROUNDS 1 and 2
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You are completely missing the point THAT THE VASOLINE MADE NO DIFFERENCE IN THE FIGHT, BJ WAS GETTING DESTROYED IN STAND UP WHERE LUBE HAS 0 EFFECT. and THE NSAC REPRESENTATIVE WIPED THE VASELINE OFF OF GSP BETWEEN ROUNDS 1 and 2
Fixed for the hard of seeing.
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Fixed for the hard of seeing.
;D
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You are completely missing the point THAT THE VASOLINE MADE NO DIFFERENCE IN THE FIGHT, BJ WAS GETTING DESTROYED IN STAND UP WHERE LUBE HAS 0 EFFECT. and THE NSAC REPRESENTATIVE WIPED THE VASELINE OFF OF GSP BETWEEN ROUNDS 1 and 2
Agreed....BJ got worked regardless of lube. That is not my point.
GSP had lube illegally applied. I am not saying fight outcome should be ruled no contest or changed ::)
GSP should be suspended and fined at the very least. But politics will never let that happen.
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Agreed....BJ got worked regardless of lube. That is not my point.
GSP had lube illegally applied. I am not saying fight outcome should be ruled no contest or changed ::)
GSP should be suspended and fined at the very least. But politics will never let that happen.
actually it's not in Dana Whites hands,it's a matter for the NSAC to decide, if their was or is a ruling the Commision oversees all that kind of shit....
the problem is it's all pretty much unchartered territory, as the commission has never had much experience with MMA and rule violations (excluding use of drugs)
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actually it's not in Dana Whites hands,it's a matter for the NSAC to decide, if their was or is a ruling the Commision oversees all that kind of shit....
the problem is it's all pretty much unchartered territory, as the commission has never had much experience with MMA and rule violations (excluding use of drugs)
Didn't they already have the hearing?
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actually it's not in Dana Whites hands,it's a matter for the NSAC to decide, if their was or is a ruling the Commision oversees all that kind of shit....
the problem is it's all pretty much unchartered territory, as the commission has never had much experience with MMA and rule violations (excluding use of drugs)
Exaclty the problem. They don't know how to deal with this, and they are strongly influenced by the UFC.
They changed the rules that cornermen can't apply grease. Obviously they admit something illegal happened.
Just don't understand how they are not punishing GSP.
Oh well....GSP lost a lot of his reputation that night. I was one that was fooled by his "clean-cut" image.
More than anything, I am apalled that CSAC believes GSP's corner that he was performing a "breathing technique" that so happened to be assigned "as they were walking to the cage" to Phil Nurse, the one doing the rubbing.
Come on ::)
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Didn't they already have the hearing?
I think so, I think they cleared everyone of all accusations.
Maybe one of the mods could do their fucking jobs and get us some more info!! >:( >:( >:(
J/K Sincity!! ;D
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The cheating fucker will get his due. What goes around comes around, and when GSP gets knocked the fuck out I will celebrate.
Damn, I hope GSP steps up in weight and takes on Anderson. ;D That slick shit won't help him that night...
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You are completely missing the point THAT THE VASOLINE MADE NO DIFFERENCE IN THE FIGHT, BJ WAS GETTING DESTROYED IN STAND UP WHERE LUBE HAS 0 EFFECT. and THE NSAC REPRESENTATIVE WIPED THE VASELINE OFF OF GSP BETWEEN ROUNDS 1 and 2
yes GSP had lube on for one friggin round right??
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I think so, I think they cleared everyone of all accusations.
Maybe one of the mods could do their fucking jobs and get us some more info!! >:( >:( >:(
J/K Sincity!! ;D
Yeah they did clear him of all accusations. I thought that I posted all of the links to the hearing.. Sorry will add in 3....................... ............2........... .....................
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unsurprising news, the Nevada State Athletic Commission took no action against Georges St. Pierre and his camp after formally hearing testimony from B.J. Penn and others. MMA Weekly has the scoop:
After lengthy testimony from both camps, including Penn and his mother, NSAC Commissioner Bill Brady promised to take under advisement several of the issues brought forth by the controversial fight.
Before the proceedings began, NSAC Executive Director Keith Kizer clarified that no disciplinary measures would be taken during the meeting, and the review’s role was to present findings given to him by both parties. The Commission would decide any further action.
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“It’s up to the commission to decide how much further they want to formally go on this,” Kizer said afterwards. “They could make regulatory changes, they could issue some sort of directive to me or the inspectors or referees to handle situations differently,” he said.
However, Kizer maintained he would not issue a complaint against St. Pierre or his camp.
“I have no plans to bring anything against anybody in this case,” he continued.
It appears that the NSAC will likely initiate some rule changes that should make incidents of this nature less likely to occur in the future. Judging from the comments of Keith Kizer, the commission seems unwilling to penalize St. Pierre in any way.
I wonder how far Penn is going to take his complaints from here. One would hope that he'll stop short of letting this - what looks to be a vendetta against St. Pierre - significantly affect the progression of his career and his upcoming bout with Kenny Florian.
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I guess the commission treated it like they would in boxing...
you see it all the time,one fighter gets cut and in the later rounds he'll come out for a round and the ref will stop the fight briefly, and have him go back to his corner and have them wipe most of it off...
same thing kind of applied here I guess
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I guess the commission treated it like they would in boxing...
you see it all the time,one fighter gets cut and in the later rounds he'll come out for a round and the ref will stop the fight briefly, and have him go back to his corner and have them wipe most of it off...
same thing kind of applied here I guess
This is a bit different. At least the situations that you are referring to have vaseline applied in an attempt to help a cut, etc.
GSP had it applied to his neck, back and chest area. Blatant cheating.
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This is a bit different. At least the situations that you are referring to have vaseline applied in an attempt to help a cut, etc.
GSP had it applied to his neck, back and chest area. Blatant cheating.
Piece of crap cheater trying to pawn himself off as a "good guy." ::)
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I guess we can tell who lost money on that fight. :)
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I guess we can tell who lost money on that fight. :)
I can only speak for myself, but I was rooting for GSP. GSP was actually one of my favorite fighters.
This is not about who won the fight. I will admit that the grease most likely had little to do with the fight.
GSP had grease ILLEGALLY applied. Simple as that.
This is not about changing the outcome of the fight.
GSP got caught on tape having grease applied to his neck,back and chest. Any amount of grease is cheating.
Why is this ok? or not viewed as punishable?
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I can only speak for myself, but I was rooting for GSP. GSP was actually one of my favorite fighters.
This is not about who won the fight. I will admit that the grease most likely had little to do with the fight.
GSP had grease ILLEGALLY applied. Simple as that.
This is not about changing the outcome of the fight.
GSP got caught on tape having grease applied to his neck,back and chest. Any amount of grease is cheating.
Why is this ok? or not viewed as punishable?
Because it was not intentional. It was wiped off in between rounds. And it had no bearing on the outcome of the fight.
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I guess we can tell who lost money on that fight. :)
I can only speak for myself, but I was rooting for GSP. GSP was actually one of my favorite fighters.
This is not about who won the fight. I will admit that the grease most likely had little to do with the fight.
GSP had grease ILLEGALLY applied. Simple as that.
This is not about changing the outcome of the fight.
GSP got caught on tape having grease applied to his neck,back and chest. Any amount of grease is cheating.
Why is this ok? or not viewed as punishable?
Some people like and embrace cheaters, as long as they win. It may not have changed the ultimate outcome of the fight, but you can't tell me GSP would have slipped out of BJ's guard over and over again were he not slick. If a guard of BJ's caliber was that easy to escape no one would utilize that position in mma.
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Who deleted my post about Only Me conducting his own investigation of the greasing incident by putting on camouflage and breaking into GSP's house to steal all the vaseline and croissants?
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Because it was not intentional. It was wiped off in between rounds. And it had no bearing on the outcome of the fight.
ANY AMOUNT is breaking the rules.
Answer me this....by your logic, if a fighter unintentionally or accidentally is given a steroid or band substance, we should excuse it? ???
How do you know it was accidental anyways? And please....you don't just wipe vaseline off.
I see the problem here. Everyone dislikes BJ, as do I, but you can't let it cloud your judgement. :)
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That big ass cone head of yours surely adds no additional brain cells. You're about as dumb as you look. ;D I don't bet on fights.
Some people like and embrace cheaters, as long as they win. It may not have changed the ultimate outcome of the fight, but you can't tell me GSP would have slipped out of BJ's guard over and over again were he not slick. If a guard of BJ's caliber was that easy to escape no one would utilize that position in mma.
Agreed. I do think that GSP was the better fighter that night, but I also saw GSP slipping right out of BJ's guard several times.
I am the biggest UFC and overall MMA fan, but this situation and how it was handled is a huge setback in regards to credibility.
The bigger it gets, the closer it gets to boxing. Imagine the hit the UFC would take if he was convicted and suspended for cheating.
Money always comes first.
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ANY AMOUNT is breaking the rules.
Answer me this....by your logic, if a fighter unintentionally or accidentally is given a steroid or band substance, we should excuse it? ???
How do you know it was accidental anyways? And please....you don't just wipe vaseline off.
I see the problem here. Everyone dislikes BJ, as do I, but you can't let it cloud your judgement. :)
Gear, whether or not accidental, would give someone an advantage. GSP destroyed BJ in the standup where whatever vaseline was left on him did not give an advantage. I seriously doubt it was intentional. Every fighter knows that cameras are on them in between rounds, as are the officials. How stupid would you have to be to have your cornerman lube you up in-between rounds. And, I was a HUGE BJ fan until this debacle.
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Gear, whether or not accidental, would give someone an advantage. GSP destroyed BJ in the standup where whatever vaseline was left on him did not give an advantage. I seriously doubt it was intentional. Every fighter knows that cameras are on them in between rounds, as are the officials. How stupid would you have to be to have your cornerman lube you up in-between rounds. And, I was a HUGE BJ fan until this debacle.
Accidental or Intentional...it is still breaking the rules.
This is not about BJ's brash approach to the matter. That does not make GSP less guilty.
It is about breaking a rule. That's it.
Why have rules if they are allowed to be broken?
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Accidental or Intentional...it is still breaking the rules.
This is not about BJ's brash approach to the matter. That does not make GSP less guilty.
It is about breaking a rule. That's it.
Why have rules if they are allowed to be broken?
it was accidental and had no bearing on the fight. think of it as an accidental eye poke or groin kick. if it has no bearing on the fight it's no big deal. What don't you get ???
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have we even established if it's a written rule yet ?
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Accidental or Intentional...it is still breaking the rules.
This is not about BJ's brash approach to the matter. That does not make GSP less guilty.
It is about breaking a rule. That's it.
Why have rules if they are allowed to be broken?
Apparently the NSAC disagrees with you....
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it was accidental and had no bearing on the fight. think of it as an accidental eye poke or groin kick. if it has no bearing on the fight it's no big deal. What don't you get ???
Consistently sliding right out of your opponent's guard has no bearing on a fight? ::) Let Rickson Gracie (or most other bjj black belts) put you in his guard and see how long you can resist before you fuck up and get submitted. GSP likely would have won, but he never had to worry about getting caught in a submission thanks to that slick shit.
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Consistently sliding right out of your opponent's guard has no bearing on a fight? ::) Let Rickson Gracie (or most other bjj black belts) put you in his guard and see how long you can resist before you fuck up and get submitted. GSP likely would have won, but he never had to worry about getting caught in a submission thanks to that slick shit.
Idiot.
The fact is that vaseline is allowed on the face and as a result it ends up getting all over the place during a fight. Like it or not, it's part of the game. By the way, how many people has BJ submitted off his back?
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By the way, how many people has BJ submitted off his back?
You don't think he is capable? ::)
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You don't think he is capable? ::)
Apparently not. :D
Nobody cares because it wasn't a close fight, if the fight was closer it would be a concern, but since BJ got fucked up, who cares?
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You don't think he is capable? ::)
Answer the question. BJ is supposed to be a BJJ God. How many people has he submitted off his back?
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Apparently not. :D
Nobody cares because it wasn't a close fight, if the fight was closer it would be a concern, but since BJ got fucked up, who cares?
Exactly...it was a fucking landslide beating, a beatdown of epic proportions.. where was bj's famous jab when they were standing up !?! lol, nowhere to be seen.
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Who the fuck made you my father? ???
Answer MY question...is not any bjj black belt capable of submitting an opponent from the guard?
The day you dictate my answering any question you ask first is likely also the day I'll be plucking your woman's pubes from between my teeth.
I think we can safely say that is a "None".
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I think we can safely say that BJ would tap your ugly conehead from his guard blindfolded in one minute or less. ;)
LOL, ok.
That still doesn't change the fact he got fucked up so badly he quit like a punk bitch.
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it was accidental and had no bearing on the fight. think of it as an accidental eye poke or groin kick. if it has no bearing on the fight it's no big deal. What don't you get ???
We can only assume that it had no 'obvious' bearing on the fight...but only BJ and GSP know that for sure. You are assuming I want to change the outcome of the fight. I agree it was possibly 'no big deal' but there is no denying it, it is very strange that a corner as skilled as GSP's would make a mistake like that.
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LOL, ok.
That still doesn't change the fact he got fucked up so badly he quit like a punk bitch.
Nor does it change the fact that GSP cheated.
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Nor does it change the fact that GSP cheated.
And it doesn't change the fact that it put another win over BJ in GSP's record book. :D
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And it doesn't change the fact that it put another win over BJ in GSP's record book. :D
BJ Penn at the Mundials 2000
BJ gains submission from his back
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BJ could fight GSP 10 times and might pull out 1 win.
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BJ could fight GSP 10 times and might pull out 1 win.
As long as those wins aren't by cheating and being a slick piece of shit, GSP could walk around with those nine wins with pride.
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As long as those wins aren't by cheating and being a slick piece of shit, GSP could walk around with those nine wins with pride.
you could cover BJ's whole body in Vaseline and it wouldn't make a difference...well....he might squeak out 2 wins out of 10 fights against GSP.
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you could cover BJ's whole body in Vaseline and it wouldn't make a difference...well....he might squeak out 2 wins out of 10 fights against GSP.
Eight wins won without cheating would allow GSP to hold his head high, as opposed to being a cheating piece of shit.
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BJ Penn at the Mundials 2000
BJ gains submission from his back
Oh brother ::) We're talking about MMA not BJJ. Has BJ EVER submitted anyone in an MMA match from his back? Here's a hint...NO! To say that BJ would have been able to submit GSP from his guard, has GSP not has some leftover lube, is absurd. He hasn't done it to anyone else, he's certainly not going to be able to pull it off against GSP...
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Oh brother ::) We're talking about MMA not BJJ. Has BJ EVER submitted anyone in an MMA match from his back? Here's a hint...NO! To say that BJ would have been able to submit GSP from his guard, has GSP not has some leftover lube, is absurd. He hasn't done it to anyone else, he's certainly not going to be able to pull it off against GSP...
Did you say submission in mma, or did you ask if BJ ever made a submission from his back, you human shitstain? Learn to read your own fucking words.
By the way, how many people has BJ submitted off his back?
Further
more, if you knew shit about bjj, when you are in your guard, you usually don't plan to maintain that position but look for an opportunity for reversal to gain a submission.
I am glad you enjoy rooting for cheaters. When GSP and his glass jaw gets KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT, I hope you won't be on hear crying that he "didn't have enough time to train," or that it "was a lucky punch," or that "the other guy had hidden brass knuckles, " or some such other bullshit.
When has GSP announced he is moving up in weight class to test himself with a greater challenge? :-\
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Did you say submission in mma, or did you ask if BJ ever made a submission from his back, you human shitstain? Learn to read your own fucking words.
Further
more, if you knew shit about bjj, when you are in your guard, you usually don't plan to maintain that position but look for an opportunity for reversal to gain a submission.
I am glad you enjoy rooting for cheaters. When GSP and his glass jaw gets KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT, I hope you won't be on hear crying that he "didn't have enough time to train," or that it "was a lucky punch," or that "the other guy had hidden brass knuckles, " or some such other bullshit.
When has GSP announced he is moving up in weight class to test himself with a greater challenge? :-\
We're talking about MMA. If u need every detail spelled out, then you're an autistic mongoloid retard. ;D
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BJ Penn at the Mundials 2000
BJ gains submission from his back
Yeah, we get it.
BJ is a Bottom.
Get over it already.
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GSP needs to fight guys in his weight class and stop with the cheating/greasing.
GSP is a cheat. Thankfully he got caught on film.
He will get what's coming to him in one way or another.
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GSP needs to fight guys in his weight class and stop with the cheating/greasing.
GSP is a cheat. Thankfully he got caught on film.
He will get what's coming to him in one way or another.
I'd like to see a catch weight fight with him and Anderson Silva.
Not that I think GSP would stand a chance.
But that's the big fight that GSP needs to take.
Anderson would maul GSP.
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I'd like to see a catch weight fight with him and Anderson Silva.
Not that I think GSP would stand a chance.
But that's the big fight that GSP needs to take.
Anderson would maul GSP.
there's a lot more interesting match ups for silva if he heads up in weight as opposed to to moving down considering his hat has already been tossed into the ring at 205...
for all anyone knows GSP would fall into the "ordinary" catagory if he moves up to 185...
if I'm Dana I keep GSP as far away from Silva as I can...
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there's a lot more interesting match ups for silva if he heads up in weight as opposed to to moving down considering his hat has already been tossed into the ring at 205...
for all anyone knows GSP would fall into the "ordinary" catagory if he moves up to 185...
if I'm Dana I keep GSP as far away from Silva as I can...
I think it is very evident that the UFC protects GSP.
Look at the way he was portrayed on the primetime special compared to BJ.
And getting away with greasing....
Yup. He has nothing to worry about.
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I think it is very evident that the UFC protects GSP.
Look at the way he was portrayed on the primetime special compared to BJ.
And getting away with greasing....
Yup. He has nothing to worry about.
What the hell are you talking about dude?! BJ fucked himself over on that prime time special, by not training , not taking this fight seriously and making himself look like a jackass...GPS was all class.
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What the hell are you talking about dude?! BJ fucked himself over on that prime time special, by not training , not taking this fight seriously and making himself look like a jackass...GPS was all class.
Ever heard of editing??? BJ himself even said that they added some of his joking that was not supposed to be shown.
They played up his time off like he was being lazy, when it is part of every training camp for him.
What about greasing and not even being penalized? Just doesn't add up. Dude.
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Ever heard of editing??? BJ himself even said that they added some of his joking that was not supposed to be shown.
They played up his time off like he was being lazy, when it is part of every training camp for him.
What about greasing and not even being penalized? Just doesn't add up. Dude.
"it wasn't supposed to be shown"...lol. I was a HUGE BJ fan until all the smack talk he did on the show. He said he was going to kill GSP and that he would fight to the death. Instead, he had his ass handed to him and he QUIT...lol. GSP is all class. The vaseline was not intentional, was wiped off and if any was left over, it did not play a roll in the fight as GSP destroyed BJ in the stand up. Also, BJ is a lazy SOB. He didn't train as hard as GSP and he surrounded himself with a bunch of yes-men. His laziness is not how he was portrayed but clearly a fact based on how quickly he gassed and gave up.
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"it wasn't supposed to be shown"...lol. I was a HUGE BJ fan until all the smack talk he did on the show. He said he was going to kill GSP and that he would fight to the death. Instead, he had his ass handed to him and he QUIT...lol. GSP is all class. The vaseline was not intentional, was wiped off and if any was left over, it did not play a roll in the fight as GSP destroyed BJ in the stand up. Also, BJ is a lazy SOB. He didn't train as hard as GSP and he surrounded himself with a bunch of yes-men. His laziness is not how he was portrayed but clearly a fact based on how quickly he gassed and gave up.
GSP may have class....but he is not ALL class.
Wonder if GSP greases when he trains too?....or do you think he just greases to beat up "Top Level BJJ Black Belts?"
Either way, I used to like GSP. Never liked BJ and still don't.
The only fact we have is GSP had grease ILLEGALLY applied during the fight. All on tape too.
Accident or Not...GSP is a cheat.
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an autistic mongoloid retard. ;D
Devastating. :'( In the streets I'd no doubt be humiliated with that level of trash talk. ::)
Nevertheless, after a comment that was only amusing to yourself, the fact remains that:
#1 BJ has submitted people from his back
#2 Your boy GSP is a cheater
#3 GSP has yet to move up to a higher weight class and test himself the way BJ did
#4 You support cheaters, which makes you a piece of shit :)
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Devastating. :'( In the streets I'd no doubt be humiliated with that level of trash talk. ::)
Nevertheless, after a comment that was only amusing to yourself, the fact remains that:
#1 BJ has submitted people from his back
#2 Your boy GSP is a cheater
#3 GSP has yet to move up to a higher weight class and test himself the way BJ did
#4 You support cheaters, which makes you a piece of shit :)
and #5 GSP still has the belt & 2 wins over BJ. I win. You lose.
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and #5 GSP still has the belt & 2 wins over BJ. I win. You lose.
The real winners were the MMA fans that got to catch a cheat on film.
Pretty brutal to his image when you see it blatantly with your own eyes.
Once you get caught,their is always a cloud no matter how good you are.
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The real winners were the MMA fans that got to catch a cheat on film.
Pretty brutal to his image when you see it blatantly with your own eyes.
Once you get caught,their is always a cloud no matter how good you are.
I'm not sure what rock you've been hiding under, but the overwhelming majority of MMA fans believe it was not intentional and even if it was, that it had zero impact on the outcome of the fight. The overwhelming majority of the MMA fans think BJ is a whining pussy and lost respect for him.
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and #5 GSP still has the belt & 2 wins over BJ. I win. You lose.
HAHAhahahaa
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I'm not sure what rock you've been hiding under, but the overwhelming majority of MMA fans believe it was not intentional and even if it was, that it had zero impact on the outcome of the fight. The overwhelming majority of the MMA fans think BJ is a whining pussy and lost respect for him.
x2...
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I'm not sure what rock you've been hiding under, but the overwhelming majority of MMA fans believe it was not intentional and even if it was, that it had zero impact on the outcome of the fight. The overwhelming majority of the MMA fans think BJ is a whining pussy and lost respect for him.
'overwhelming majority of MMA fans'- I have not seen any polls or stories on this. You have one?
And what if it was intentional. It 'may' have not contributed to the fight, but it would still be cheating.
Cheating is cheating. Simple ::)
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Cheating is cheating. Simple ::)
Apparently issues of integrity and character fly right over "Mindspin's" empty vessel of a cranium.
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Apparently issues of integrity and character fly right over "Mindspin's" empty vessel of a cranium.
I also think the majority of people think that the grease did not play a role in the fight so it is no big deal.
First, nobody knows for sure how much it had to do with the outcome of the fight. All speculation.
Secondly, BJ has been very unprofessional at times and people naturally want to see the 'poster boy' prevail regarding greasegate
Everyone acts like GSP had a little lube applied to his foot. That would be easy to believe as an accident.
But rubbing grease on his neck, chest and back...that was/is clearly not allowed. That means a rule was broken. Right?
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I also think the majority of people think that the grease did not play a role in the fight so it is no big deal.
First, nobody knows for sure how much it had to do with the outcome of the fight. All speculation.
Secondly, BJ has been very unprofessional at times and people naturally want to see the 'poster boy' prevail regarding greasegate
Everyone acts like GSP had a little lube applied to his foot. That would be easy to believe as an accident.
But rubbing grease on his neck, chest and back...that was/is clearly not allowed. That means a rule was broken. Right?
A rule was broken. Most agree with that. The question is what to do about it. Had it been intentional and had it had a definitive impact on the outcome of the fight then I would be all for making this a NC, suspending GSP and taking away his winnings. However, I see this as no different from an accidental groin kick or eye poke. It's against the rules and in most cases unintentional. So, the outcome of the fight should stand and moving forward new rules are applied to ensure no more accidental lubing. That is all...
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A rule was broken. Most agree with that. The question is what to do about it. Had it been intentional and had it had a definitive impact on the outcome of the fight then I would be all for making this a NC, suspending GSP and taking away his winnings. However, I see this as no different from an accidental groin kick or eye poke. It's against the rules and in most cases unintentional. So, the outcome of the fight should stand and moving forward new rules are applied to ensure no more accidental lubing. That is all...
We do not know if it was intentional or not...
This is much different than and eye poke or groin strike. Those are very easy to accidentally do.
There is no excuse for having lube applied to your neck,back and chest of all places. Much like there is no excuse for steroids.
Remember that greasing is a highly effective form of cheating. Much like steroids.
Because this may or may not have been accidental, I say it is fair to leave the fight the way it stands as a win for GSP, but
I do think GSP should at least be fined and suspended. That seems fair. Rules are Rules.
This is one of the rules where accidents don't excuse the action.
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Got something your eye, fat ass?
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imo they need to rematch in the fall of this year to settle it once and for all, im sure the fans would want to see it. i know i would like to see it again cause imo it puts a blemish on gsp,s record even though it goes down as a win, im sure gsp would fight bj again cause imo gsp,s a true champion and wouldnt want no doubt in anyones mind that he believes he is the better fighter
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imo they need to rematch in the fall of this year to settle it once and for all, im sure the fans would want to see it. i know i would like to see it again cause imo it puts a blemish on gsp,s record even though it goes down as a win, im sure gsp would fight bj again cause imo gsp,s a true champion and wouldnt want no doubt in anyones mind that he believes he is the better fighter
I agree a rematch would be exciting, but I am pretty sure that it would end in similar fashion. It would be worth watching, but I no longer think of GSP as this elite specimen of an MMA fighter. GSP cheats. Plain and simple. I think BJ should just move on. He will never get a fair fight with GSP. Nobody will.
I am just highly disappointed in the UFC and CSAC letting this greasegate thing just blow over with no consequences.
Guaranteed, when the dust settles a little in each division, the UFC will put GSP vs BJ 3 together.
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I agree a rematch would be exciting, but I am pretty sure that it would end in similar fashion. It would be worth watching, but I no longer think of GSP as this elite specimen of an MMA fighter. GSP cheats. Plain and simple. I think BJ should just move on. He will never get a fair fight with GSP. Nobody will.
I am just highly disappointed in the UFC and CSAC letting this greasegate thing just blow over with no consequences.
Guaranteed, when the dust settles a little in each division, the UFC will put GSP vs BJ 3 together.
yea...nobody will get a fair fight against GSP. ::).were do idiot's like you come from?
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yea...nobody will get a fair fight against GSP. ::).were do idiot's like you come from?
How many people accused him of greasing besides BJ?...even before he got caught? Why did BJ already know he was going to be greasing? Then he gets caught on camera greasing!
Does this not ring a bell with noob fans such as yourself that can't get past the fact that their 'classy' superhero fighter is a CHEATER?
People like you find a box of condoms, three guys phone numbers, and a jar of lube in their girlfriends jacket and still think they are being faithful.
It's ok though, the world needs people like you.
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How many people accused him of greasing besides BJ?...even before he got caught? Why did BJ already know he was going to be greasing? Then he gets caught on camera greasing!
Does this not ring a bell with noob fans such as yourself that can't get past the fact that their 'classy' superhero fighter is a CHEATER?
People like you find a box of condoms, three guys phone numbers, and a jar of lube in their girlfriends jacket and still think they are being faithful.
It's ok though, the world needs people like you.
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Great way to add credibility to your previous statements. ::)
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LOL...no one except BJ & a few BJ nuthuggers want to see BJ/GSP III. Had it been close like the 1st fight, perhaps.
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LOL...no one except BJ & a few BJ nuthuggers want to see BJ/GSP III. Had it been close like the 1st fight, perhaps.
Agreed that it just is not the same fight it once was.
But had GSP not cheated, we would not need a third fight ;D
GSP may be the better fighter, but he has not beaten BJ without controversy yet.
Honestly, I would like to see them both get their ass kicked in future fights and dwindle out of the picture.
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Agreed that it just is not the same fight it once was.
But had GSP not cheated, we would not need a third fight ;D
GSP may be the better fighter, but he has not beaten BJ without controversy yet.
Honestly, I would like to see them both get their ass kicked in future fights and dwindle out of the picture.
GSP did not cheat. I hope he goes on to be the most dominant welterweight in UFC history.
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GSP did not cheat. I hope he goes on to be the most dominant welterweight in UFC history.
He may very well do that. A lot of cheaters make it big.
But he will always carry this 'episode' with him.
It is enough to question his legacy imo. His squeaky clean image is gone.
Kind of like Marc McGuire with congress or Sammy Sosa with the corked bat.
Most will forget, but it will always be brought up.
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Great way to add credibility to your previous statements. ::)
right over your head...not suprised though.
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right over your head...not suprised though.
Not the case....
If you are going to sit here and argue/debate, why don't you try sticking to the thread topic.
Agree with me or not....Enlighten me and quit acting like a child.
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GSP did not cheat. I hope he goes on to be the most dominant welterweight in UFC history.
X2
Comes across like a genuinely nice guy. :)
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GSP = gentleman
BJ = asshole
GSP won
BJ lost
GSP showed what an amazing athlete he is when he refused the interim belt
BJ showed what a bitch and a bad loser he is
that pretty much sums it up. Let's lock this thread already
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can't believe you idiots are still talking about a fight that happened 2 months ago !@
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that pretty much sums it up. Let's lock this thread already
Sorry, you don't have that right, shithead. So have a glass of SHUT THE FUCK UP and keep rooting for your cheatin'-champion with the glass jaw. ;)
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Ok , for all the bj penn nuthuggers , why is bj not petitioning for a 3rd fight then !?! BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT TO GET PUMMELLED INTO A COMA OR RETIREMENT like he did in their 2nd fight... seriously, why hasn't bj said anything about a rematch to 'make things right' ?? he's scared to shit of GSP.
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Ok , for all the bj penn nuthuggers , why is bj not petitioning for a 3rd fight then !?! BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT TO GET PUMMELLED INTO A COMA OR RETIREMENT like he did in their 2nd fight... seriously, why hasn't bj said anything about a rematch to 'make things right' ?? he's scared to shit of GSP.
It isn't about "nuthugging" or about a rematch. It's about cheating, jackass.
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Not the case....
If you are going to sit here and argue/debate, why don't you try sticking to the thread topic.
Agree with me or not....Enlighten me and quit acting like a child.
whats the topic?...oh yea BJ is a fucking dick...cry baby.he kinda reminds me of you.
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Ok , for all the bj penn nuthuggers , why is bj not petitioning for a 3rd fight then !?! BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT TO GET PUMMELLED INTO A COMA OR RETIREMENT like he did in their 2nd fight... seriously, why hasn't bj said anything about a rematch to 'make things right' ?? he's scared to shit of GSP.
How much do you really follow MMA if you have not heard about a possible rematch?
I am not a BJ guy,I don't really like him anyways....besides this is not about who is better or who won the fight.
It is about GSP getting caught greasing.
Here is the article on a rematch so you can catch up on things ;D
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=8133&zoneid=13
Penn, on his official website, BJPenn.com, accepted St. Pierre's offer of another rematch, "To the untrained eye the grease might not look like much, but every grappler knows the effect that it has. Being able to apply your submissions and sweeps or just being able to hold on to your opponent to defend yourself from being hit is absolutely critical! ... I hereby accept George St. Pierre and Greg Jackson’s challenge for a fight in the summer 2009. Lets call Dana now and set it up."
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Ok , for all the bj penn nuthuggers , why is bj not petitioning for a 3rd fight then !?! BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT TO GET PUMMELLED INTO A COMA OR RETIREMENT like he did in their 2nd fight... seriously, why hasn't bj said anything about a rematch to 'make things right' ?? he's scared to shit of GSP.
WOW you ignorance shining through on this one. Honestly why do you come on here when something you should know about you have no idea about. Hey you won the Mr. Ignorant this week. good job, Mindspin has some competition now
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WOW you ignorance shining through on this one. Honestly why do you come on here when something you should know about you have no idea about. Hey you won the Mr. Ignorant this week. good job, Mindspin has some competition now
Why do you even post on here dude!?! nothing positive ever comes out of your mouth, you spend your last remaining days in the world sitting on a bodybuilding site stalking goodrum and a few select others and posting useless negative garbage, you really might want to re-evaluate your life and where it's going.
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How much do you really follow MMA if you have not heard about a possible rematch?
I am not a BJ guy,I don't really like him anyways....besides this is not about who is better or who won the fight.
It is about GSP getting caught greasing.
Here is the article on a rematch so you can catch up on things ;D
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=8133&zoneid=13
Penn, on his official website, BJPenn.com, accepted St. Pierre's offer of another rematch, "To the untrained eye the grease might not look like much, but every grappler knows the effect that it has. Being able to apply your submissions and sweeps or just being able to hold on to your opponent to defend yourself from being hit is absolutely critical! ... I hereby accept George St. Pierre and Greg Jackson’s challenge for a fight in the summer 2009. Lets call Dana now and set it up."
I remember the initial talk about a rematch but nothing has come of it since, aside from bj penn crying to his mommy and asking her to stand up to the mean mean NSAC because GSP beat his ass... oh and ya I do need to catch up, spent the last few months planning my wedding with fianceem, don't have time to obsess on a bodybuilding/mma board all day like you.
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I remember the initial talk about a rematch but nothing has come of it since, aside from bj penn crying to his mommy and asking her to stand up to the mean mean NSAC because GSP beat his ass... oh and ya I do need to catch up, spent the last few months planning my wedding with fianceem, don't have time to obsess on a bodybuilding/mma board all day like you.
Moving forward I will ask you this, and please note that I agree, most likely the grease was a non-factor and GSP is the better figher.
But why should GSP not receive any kind of penalty for having grease applied?
By the way TMI on the wedding, and you think I spend all day on bodybuilding/MMA boards??? I am confused??? Please note your post count ::)
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Moving forward I will ask you this, and please note that I agree, most likely the grease was a non-factor and GSP is the better figher.
But why should GSP not receive any kind of penalty for having grease applied?
By the way TMI on the wedding, and you think I spend all day on bodybuilding/MMA boards??? I am confused??? Please note your post count ::)
Not sure what TMI means but thanks ,err..I guess !?
regardless, GSP is obviously the much better fighter , and yes I do agree he should receive a penalty/fine or in the very least another rematch with bj, my only real complaint is bj came into this match all gung ho talking about how he was going to figt till his dying breath and kill GSP in the ring... fast forward to GSP collapsing in his corner at the end of round 4 barely able to breathe and his corner throwing the towel in.
that's it,.
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Recent quote from BJ in response to his quitting in round 4:
"I couldn't breathe. There was so much vaseline in my throat and mouth that I literally was gasping for air. When I went to wipe my eyes, there was so much vaseline on my hands that it smeared into my eyes. I couldn't see shit. I know you can't see it on any of the video clips, but at one point I literally slid right off the corner stool right onto the floor, because there was so much vaseline on my ass. Basically, there was vaseline everywhere. I never stood a chance."
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Recent quote from BJ in response to his quitting in round 4:
"I couldn't breathe. There was so much vaseline in my throat and mouth that I literally was gasping for air. When I went to wipe my eyes, there was so much vaseline on my hands that it smeared into my eyes. I couldn't see shit. I know you can't see it on any of the video clips, but at one point I literally slid right off the corner stool right onto the floor, because there was so much vaseline on my ass. Basically, there was vaseline everywhere. I never stood a chance."
Link? (BJ never uses a stool in between rounds anyways) ;)
Even if this was true, does not matter...GSP was caught with grease. So what if BJ wants him to be penalized. Like BJ or not...he is not alone in the way he feels.
Don't you want to keep MMA legit? Or would it be better if it were suspect to corruption like boxing?
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Recent quote from BJ in response to his quitting in round 4:
"I couldn't breathe. There was so much vaseline in my throat and mouth that I literally was gasping for air. When I went to wipe my eyes, there was so much vaseline on my hands that it smeared into my eyes. I couldn't see shit. I know you can't see it on any of the video clips, but at one point I literally slid right off the corner stool right onto the floor, because there was so much vaseline on my ass. Basically, there was vaseline everywhere. I never stood a chance."
it was like mud wrestling only different !
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Recent quote from BJ in response to his quitting in round 4:
"I couldn't breathe. There was so much vaseline in my throat and mouth that I literally was gasping for air. When I went to wipe my eyes, there was so much vaseline on my hands that it smeared into my eyes. I couldn't see shit. I know you can't see it on any of the video clips, but at one point I literally slid right off the corner stool right onto the floor, because there was so much vaseline on my ass. Basically, there was vaseline everywhere. I never stood a chance."
Hahahahaha... amazing how all the vaseline didn't affect GSP in any way, and stop him from being able to constantly get side control on penn.... weird that vaseline stuff, must clearly be biased towards penn..
lololol
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Hahahahaha... amazing how all the vaseline didn't affect GSP in any way, and stop him from being able to constantly get side control on penn.... weird that vaseline stuff, must clearly be biased towards penn..
lololol
;D
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Quitter...
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