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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/us/boy-12-dies-after-being-shot-by-cleveland-police-officer.html?_r=0&referrer=
Not sure if this will get blown up or not, but looks like another kid gets shot for carrying a toy gun. Dumas shouldn't have been waving it around. Sad.
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I'm a strong believer that black folks should have to wear reflectors on their fingers so they don't look armed.
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Blacks are crazy
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I'm a strong believer that black folks should have to wear reflectors on their fingers so they don't look armed.
Lol
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"Two police officers responded to the scene and ordered the boy to raise his hands, the police said, but he refused and reached for a gun in his waistband. An officer fired two shots, striking the boy once, the police said."
Typical rebellious black youth who struggles to comply with authority.
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Whoa, that's crazy. :-X :-X
(http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/11/24/us/SUB-CLEVELAND/SUB-CLEVELAND-superJumbo.jpg)
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"Two police officers responded to the scene and ordered the boy to raise his hands, the police said, but he refused and reached for a gun in his waistband. An officer fired two shots, striking the boy once, the police said."
Typical rebellious black youth who struggles to comply with authority.
50% hit rate. Back to training for that guy!
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"Two police officers responded to the scene and ordered the boy to raise his hands, the police said, but he refused and reached for a gun in his waistband. An officer fired two shots, striking the boy once, the police said."
Typical rebellious black youth who struggles to comply with authority.
Hmm yes, the police have never falsified statements to protect their own before ::)
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Whoa, that's crazy. :-X :-X
(http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/11/24/us/SUB-CLEVELAND/SUB-CLEVELAND-superJumbo.jpg)
While I don't blame the police, it's still tragic. Most 12 year Olds don't fully understand consequences. Tough lesson learned.
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Hmm yes, the police have never falsified statements to protect their own before ::)
Typical liberal "no accountability" response. ;D
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Police later told Fox 8 the weapon the boy was carrying was 'an airsoft type replica gun resembling a semi-automatic pistol.' They added that the gun's orange safety indicator had been removed.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2846294/Boy-12-dies-shot-stomach-cops-waving-BB-gun-play-area.html#ixzz3Jx3nTNs1
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Typical liberal "no accountability" response. ;D
A 12 year old kid playing in a park with a fake gun got shot and killed by the police. I think that's pretty fucked up and warrants further investigation.
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Stupid dead kid should have been carrying a real pistol, that way he could have stood a chance. Darwin Award winner for sure. He won't be missed.
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It is blowing up all over CNN.
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"Two police officers responded to the scene and ordered the boy to raise his hands, the police said, but he refused and reached for a gun in his waistband. An officer fired two shots, striking the boy once, the police said."
Typical rebellious black youth who struggles to comply with authority.
How's those black women y'all??
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Pointing the gun at people in the park to scare them, and then pulling it on the police? no sympathy at all. CNN ran this story today without any pics and I knew it would be another gentle trayvon
When will the parents be giving a press conference with Jessie Jackson?
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It is blowing up all over CNN.
And the Ferguson trial is about to decide a verdict. Man, I hope shit dont hit the fan.
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Pointing the gun at people in the park to scare them, and then pulling it on the police? no sympathy at all. CNN ran this story today without any pics and I knew it would be another gentle trayvon
When will the parents be giving a press conference with Jessie Jackson?
There is such a thing as perspective - of which you lack. This is a 12 year old boy - not some crim on a crime spree.
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Pointing the gun at people in the park to scare them, and then pulling it on the police? no sympathy at all. CNN ran this story today without any pics and I knew it would be another gentle trayvon
When will the parents be giving a press conference with Jessie Jackson?
Tell me you're kidding. This is not a "gentle giant" who happened to shoplift and attack old men for fun. This is a 12 years old kid who happened to be playing in the park with a toy gun. At 12 you're a child.
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Tell me you're kidding. This is not a "gentle giant" who happened to shoplift and attack old men for fun. This is a 12 years old kid who happened to be playing tin the park with a toy gun. At 12 you're a child.
Liberal apologist network CNN is saying the little shit was getting off on scaring people in the park who believed it was a real gun, then pulled it on the police.
The only thing that would make me give a shit was if the kid was actually mentally handicapped and didn't know any better
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Liberal apologist network CNN is saying the little shit was getting off on scaring people in the park who believed it was a real gun, then pulled it on the police.
The only thing that would make me give a shit was if the kid was actually mentally handicapped and didn't know any better
He wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed but he still didn't deserve to get shot. :(
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And the Ferguson trial is about to decide a verdict. Man, I hope shit dont hit the fan.
You know it will.
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Where was the kid shot? Did they really have to shoot to kill?
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He wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed but he still didn't deserve to get shot. :(
You would be that dead police officer who didn't make it home to his family.
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Tell me you're kidding. This is not a "gentle giant" who happened to shoplift and attack old men for fun. This is a 12 years old kid who happened to be playing in the park with a toy gun. At 12 you're a child.
I'll have to disagree. It's 2014 in America. He's a black kid living in Clevland, Ohio. He knows that cops kill people with guns. Cops shoot first and ask questions later. Everyone knows that. It's a good thing he's dead. If he was alive he might bred and make more idiots.
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You know it will.
Well, ya know, just trying to think positive.
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The shooting was caught on video.
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/oh-cuyahoga/12-year-old-boy-in-serious-condition-after-being-shot-at-cudell-recreation-center-on-west-side
Cleveland Police confirm surveillance video in the area captured the incident, but when newsnet5 asked when it would be released, Cleveland Police Public Information Officer Sgt. Ali Pillow said there is, "No specific time when video might be released."
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So, it was not a toy gun, it was a bibi gun. A bibi gun is NOT a toy gun. I knew someone who lost an eye after being shot with a bibi gun.
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He was 12 years old ffs, not like he had the sense or wisdom to know what he was doing wrong lol.
also scared, trigger happy cops are ultimately the ones contributing to the higher police shootings statistics. Not the kids running around with the toy guns , because they've been doing this for decades.
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He was 12 years old ffs, not like he had the sense or wisdom to know what he was doing wrong lol.
also scared, trigger happy cops are ultimately the ones contributing to the higher police shootings statistics. Not the kids running around with the toy guns , because they've been doing this for decades.
It wasnt a toy gun, it was a bibi gun. Bibi guns shoot metal pellets.Hardly a toy.
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So, it was not a toy gun, it was a bibi gun. A bibi gun is NOT a toy gun. I knew someone who lost an eye after being shot with a bibi gun.
Fuck is a "bibi" gun? Get your shit together, "geenious" ::)
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He was 12 years old ffs, not like he had the sense or wisdom to know what he was doing wrong lol.
also scared, trigger happy cops are ultimately the ones contributing to the higher police shootings statistics. Not the kids running around with the toy guns , because they've been doing this for decades.
Bullfuckingshit! At 12 years old if you don't know not to point guns at people then you shouldn't be playing with the fucking things. BB gun or not. And wheres his mom and her baby daddy at?
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Fuck is a "bibi" gun? Get your shit together, "geenious" ::)
whatever. it was clearly not a toy.
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whatever. it was clearly not a toy.
Not at all. The video will be telling for sure. At 12 years old he should have known better.
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Not at all. The video will be telling for sure. At 12 years old he should have known better.
C'mon at 12 you're a child.
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C'mon at 12 you're a child.
i blame the parents A LOT more than i blame the child. why would a parent let a 12 year old have a bb gun? :-\ :-\
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i blame the parents A LOT more than i blame the child. why would a parent let a 12 year old have a bb gun? :-\ :-\
???
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Where was the kid shot? Did they really have to shoot to kill?
technically its not shoot to kill. incapacitate (however it ends up). shoot for center mass. you do not shoot for the legs to "stop" someone.
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i dont know either. unless he got it from a friend and his parents didnt know about it or maybe he swiped it away when his parents werent looking. Id like to believe that his parents were ignorant of the fact that their son had a bb gun.
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i blame the parents A LOT more than i blame the child. why would a parent let a 12 year old have a bb gun? :-\ :-\
Do bb guns only shot metal pellets? When I was a kid a lot of us played around with toy guns that shot plastic pellets. Kinda hurts but far from doing any damage.
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C'mon at 12 you're a child.
A 12 year old should have enough common sense to not be waving a gun around, BB gun or not.
i blame the parents A LOT more than i blame the child. why would a parent let a 12 year old have a bb gun? :-\ :-\
I know kids younger that have real guns, it's about responsibility. He was probably never taught gun safety and responsibility, have to blame the mom and her baby daddy, yo.
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Do bb guns only shot metal pellets? When I was a kid a lot of us played around with toy guns that shot plastic pellets. Kinda hurts but far from doing any damage.
some do shoot plastic pellets.
this still begs the question: why would a parent let a child leave the house with a gun that looks so real? :-\
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some do shoot plastic pellets.
this still begs the question: why would a parent let a child leave the house with a gun that looks so real? :-\
Yeah bro, cause kids just walk out with guns, playboy magazines, drugs, cans of beer in hand right in front of their parents before walking out the front door. ::)
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A 12 year old should have enough common sense to not be waving a gun around, BB gun or not. I know kids younger that have real guns, it's about responsibility. He was probably never taught gun safety and responsibility, have to blame the mom and her baby daddy, yo.
let me rephrase: What is a 12 year old kidding doing with a bb gun without proper supervision and flailing it around a park?
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let me rephrase: What is a 12 year old kidding doing with a bb gun without proper supervision and flailing it around a park?
Are you trying to say, where's his mom and her baby daddy in all this?
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Yeah bro, cause kids just walk out with guns, playboy magazines, drugs, cans of beer in hand right in front of their parents before walking out the front door. ::)
actually, yes, a lot of kids do.
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Are you trying to say, where's his mom and her baby daddy in all this?
yes, where are his parents.
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actually, yes, a lot of kids do.
What is your point?
Quit beating around the bush and just come out with it.
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He was 12 years old ffs, not like he had the sense or wisdom to know what he was doing wrong lol.
also scared, trigger happy cops are ultimately the ones contributing to the higher police shootings statistics. Not the kids running around with the toy guns , because they've been doing this for decades.
Bullshit.
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He was 12 years old ffs, not like he had the sense or wisdom to know what he was doing wrong lol.
also scared, trigger happy cops are ultimately the ones contributing to the higher police shootings statistics. Not the kids running around with the toy guns , because they've been doing this for decades.
actually, youre wrong. by 12 years old children can tell the difference between right and wrong.
By 3-5 years old children begin to develop a sense of right and wrong, obviously by guidance from their parents.
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Bullfuckingshit! At 12 years old if you don't know not to point guns at people then you shouldn't be playing with the fucking things. BB gun or not. And wheres his mom and her baby daddy at?
Were the police in immediate danger and left absolutely no choice but to merc him or..?
This is why we need military to do the policing and not these pansy scared porky pigs who shoot kids and taze elderly people. They are just as much a danger to the public as this little nig nig was.
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Bullshit.
You're only singing this tune because its a little black boy if he were white you would sing different tune
next
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Were the police in immediate danger and left absolutely no choice but to merc him or..?
This is why we need military to do the policing and not these pansy scared porky pigs who shoot kids and taze elderly people. They are just as much a danger to the public as this little nig nig was.
Have you seen any BB or airsoft guns? Modeled after the real deal, nobody would know the difference even a few feet away.
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Were the police in immediate danger and left absolutely no choice but to merc him or..?
This is why we need military to do the policing and not these pansy scared porky pigs who shoot kids and taze elderly people. They are just as much a danger to the public as this little nig nig was.
You live in fairy tale world.
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The top picture is the actual weapon the idiot was carrying (being held as evidence obviously) the second picture is an actual Colt Semi-auto. *In the top photo the "fin" looking item above the gun, just above the hammer, is the clip that has been removed and was placed along side the gun in the evidence box. *for anyone not familiar with guns.
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Strange how policeman wouldn't choose to perhaps take out one of his legs - I mean god forbid that the child doesn't have a real gun (I mean that would never happen right - kids don't play with toys).
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Were the police in immediate danger and left absolutely no choice but to merc him or..?
This is why we need military to do the policing and not these pansy scared porky pigs who shoot kids and taze elderly people. They are just as much a danger to the public as this little nig nig was.
laughs, but shakes head, lol...
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Strange how policeman wouldn't choose to perhaps take out one of his legs - I mean god forbid that the child doesn't have a real gun (I mean that would never happen right - kids don't play with toys).
Thats not what police are supposed to do. This isn`t the movies.
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You're only singing this tune because its a little black boy if he were white you would sing different tune
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Funny that you are the one that brings race into it, not I.
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Officer shoots boy holding fake gun at rec center
CLEVELAND (AP) — Police say a 12-year-old boy brandishing what turned out to be a fake gun at a Cleveland recreation center was shot and wounded by a responding officer.
Cleveland's Emergency Medical Service tells WOIO-TV (http://bit.ly/1FefMZO ) that the boy is at a hospital with serious injuries. His mother says he's in surgery for a stomach wound.
The shooting happened at about 3:30 p.m. at Cudell Rec Center after officers responded to reports of a male with a gun.
Deputy Chief Ed Tomba tells the TV station the boy had the weapon in his waistband, pulled it out and one officer fired two shots. He says the boy didn't make any verbal threats or point the gun.
WOIO reports the gun was a replica of semi-automatic pistol, and the orange safety indicator in the muzzle was missing.
Man yeah - the heart in this thread is overwhelming - really does sound like he "deserved" to die ::)
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Stupid dead kid should have been carrying a real pistol, that way he could have stood a chance. Darwin Award winner for sure. He won't be missed.
How many blacks those fine American officers shoot every year :)
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I played with a lot of realistic guns when I was a kid and never got shot. Although I am white and my mother told me never to point a gun at anyone especially police.
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Tell me you're kidding. This is not a "gentle giant" who happened to shoplift and attack old men for fun. This is a 12 years old kid who happened to be playing in the park with a toy gun. At 12 you're a child.
All that matters is he has the ability to pull a trigger. You order the kid to keep his hands up and he reaches for a gun in his waist band. You have 2 options, shoot him or assume it's fake. Are you really gonna sit there and tell me you would assume it's fake? So he pulls it and fires a shot killing your partner, what then? Maybe this kid is just being mischievous but it doesn't change the outcome. Instead of focusing on chastising the police, maybe, the media should go after the parents or guardian of this kid. Don't be shocked if the officer turns out to be black and you never hear of this again.
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When around the boys in black, never relax.
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actually, youre wrong. by 12 years old children can tell the difference between right and wrong.
By 3-5 years old children begin to develop a sense of right and wrong, obviously by guidance from their parents.
Uh oh. Think you might be on to something here.
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This is a 12 years old kid who happened to be playing in the park with a toy gun.
Airsoft guns are not "toy" guns. In addition, the kid removed the orange tip to make it look like an actual Colt pistol and then went around the park pointing it at people.
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The kid was probably mentally challenged. IF their statement is true, I am going to give the cops the benefit of the doubt here.
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Airsoft guns are not "toy" guns. In addition, the kid removed the orange tip to make it look like an actual pistol and then went around the park pointing it at people.
Ha, yeah but that's the sort of shit and many brats would have done.
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Ha, yeah but that's the sort of shit and many brats would have done. that gets people killed.
Here are some cases of shootings involving replica firearms.
2014
Aug. 5: Two Beavercreek police officers shot and killed John Crawford, 22, of Fairfield, after they responded to 911 call of a man walking around the Walmart in Beavercreek pointing a “black rifle” at people and who “looks like he was trying to load it.” Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine said Crawford was carrying plastic replica weapon, a MK-177 BB/Pellet Rifle. During the shooting, Walmart shopper Angela Williams, 37, collapsed and died after “apparently running from a dangerous situation.” Beavercreek police Chief Dennis Evers said the officers likely acted appropriately. The Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation is investigating.
May 6: Two Lakewood, Colo., police officers shot and wounded Alex Robert Martines, 31, in a Walmart parking lot after he pointed a realistic-looking Airsoft handgun at the officers. Police responded to a domestic dispute between Martines and an a female acquaintance, who told police he was armed.
Feb. 5: Two Oxnard, Calif., police officers shot and wounded a 42-year-old woman, who was suicidal, after she pointed one of two realistic-looking replica guns at them and would not obey their commands. Police responded to a 911 call of a woman who said she had a loaded gun and was going to kill herself at a park.
2013
Nov. 16: Nick King, 14, was shot in the shoulder by a Battle Creek, Mich., police officer after responding to a man with a pistol in the bushes near a drive thru store. The teen had an Airsoft gun, which resembled a real gun. King survived, and Calhoun County Prosecutor David Gilbert ruled the shooting was justified. On July 30, three teen girls, who were with King at the time of the shooting, filed a federal lawsuit against the police officer and department claiming the constitutional rights were violated when they were “unlawfully detained” by police.
Oct. 22: A Santa Rosa, Calif., police officer shot and killed Andy Lopez, 13, for carrying a Airsoft gun, which police say resembled to a real AK-47 assault rifle. The Sonoma County District Attorney Jill Ravitch said the shooting was a tragedy but not a crime and that she would not press charges against Deputy Eric Gelhaus. She said the sheriff’s deputy thought his life was in danger when he shot Lopez.
June 12: A Springdale, Ark., police officer fires seven shots into a parked van after Rainbow Kilo Rasphoumy, 40, wanted for a domestic disturbance call, pointed what appeared to be a handgun at police during a standoff in a Walmart parking lot. Police said Rasphoumy, who was not injured, pointed a black plastic toy gun that resembled a snub-nose revolver. The Washington County prosecutor’s office ruled the shooting was justified.
April 5: An Oakland, Calif., police officer shot and injured one of two burglary suspects who was carrying a gun, which turned out to be a fake gun.
Jan. 5: Three Phoenix police officers shot and killed Chuckie Stowers, 39, after he allegedly stole a pistol-style BB gun from a Walmart store and pointed it officers as they approached him and ordered him to stop and show his hands.
2012
Jan. 4: Brownsville Texas, police officers, armed with assault rifles, shot and killed Jaime Gonzales Jr., 15, at Cumming Middle School, after responding to a 911 call of student with a gun inside the school. Police ordered the teen to drop the gun, which turned out to be an Airsoft pellet gun that resembled a black Glock. The death was ruled a justifiable homicide. Gonzales’s family filed a federal lawsuit against the city and five police officers.
2011
Oct. 23: Javier Gonzales-Guerrero, 25, was drunk and passed out in a hotel stairwell after a costume party in San Jose, Calif. He was shot by policeman, who had mistaken his gold-colored toy gun for a real weapon. Police said Gonzales-Guerrero was shot more than 20 times after ignoring police commands not to touch his gun and then moving his hands toward it. In September 2013, the city of San Jose agreed to pay $4.9 million to Gonzales-Guerrero, who survived.
Jan. 29: Matthew Cicelski, 39, of Oakland, was shot and killed by three police officers after pointing a gun, which turned out to be a replica assault rifle. Police responded to a report of an armed man acting erratically with a knife and gun while “patrolling” outside a home of his ex-girlfriend. Alameda County District Attorney Nancy O’Malley cleared the officers.
Aug. 31: A North Miami Beach, Fla., police officer shot and killed Ernest Vassell, 56, who was prowling through a neighborhood carrying what police later determined to be realistic looking replica gun. Family members said Vassell was mentally disabled from a fall he suffered as a child and had difficulty complying with officers’ commands.
2010
Dec. 16: Rohayent Gomez, 13, was playing “cops and robbers” with friends when he was shot by a Los Angeles police officer, who were patrolling the area for graffiti and gang activity. The teen and his friends were carrying Airsoft pistols when the police officer startled Gomez as he hid behind a van reloading his pellet gun. The officer yelled a command and the teen took a surprised step. He was hit in the chest and left paralyzed. The officer was cleared of any wrongdoing. In December 2012, a jury awarded $24 million to Gomez.
2009
June 14: Ronald Hughes, 66, a retired Baptist minister, was shot and killed by two Clay Center, Kan., police officers after he ignored orders to drop his gun and instead pointed it at them. The gun was later found to be a plastic toy. Police responded to a domestic violence call. His family said he had suffered multiple strokes that affected the “cognitive side of his brain.” The Kansas Bureau of Investigation ruled June 26, 2009, that the officer-involved shooting was justified.
May 11: A Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputy shot William Fetters, 15, who was playing a game of “cops and robbers” with a toy gun, thought to be real, while riding his bicycle and brandishing a weapon. Police said they ordered him to drop the gun, and when he refused, they shot him. In March 2013, a jury awarded $1.1 million to Fetters after concluding the deputy used excessive force. The sheriff’s office is appealing the verdict.
SOURCES: Alameda County District Attorney’s Office, the International Health & Epidemiology Research Center, Los Angeles Police Department, Sonoma County District Attorney’s Office and wire news services
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i suppose with the routine shooting sprees in US schools , the police can't afford to take any chances as it is not too uncommon for a kid to get possession of a real gun and then go wreak havoc with it.
just another sign of the times in the US unfortunately. way too many guns in circulation for what is claimed to be a civilised country. they won't learn any time soon.
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Gun looks real enough, we all know 12 - 14 year olds that kill, kid didn't comply = clean shoot. As much as I like firearms, don't let your kids play with realistic ones in public areas, unless it is known to police, etc.... It's been widely known that cops will shoot people with them since atleast the early 80's.
I remember seeing the warnings since the Larami days -
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i suppose with the routine shooting sprees in US schools , the police can't afford to take any chances as it is not too uncommon for a kid to get possession of a real gun and then go wreak havoc with it.
just another sign of the times in the US unfortunately. way too many guns in circulation for what is claimed to be a civilised country. they won't learn any time soon.
Guns are not the problem, it is the people. Who is doing these shootings? Nutjobs or low IQ gangstas. We need proper facilities for these folk, with adequate supervision.
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Guns are not the problem, it is the people. Who is doing these shootings? Nutjobs or low IQ gangstas. We need proper facilities for these folk, with adequate supervision.
if guns are not the problem then why do you have such a disproportionate problem with random shooting sprees in schools and other public places and gun crime in general compared with the nations in western europe that you are most similar too economically and socially.
it is blatantly obvious it is down to having too many guns in circulation.
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Strange how policeman wouldn't choose to perhaps take out one of his legs - I mean god forbid that the child doesn't have a real gun (I mean that would never happen right - kids don't play with toys).
exactly what I thought
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if guns are not the problem then why do you have such a disproportionate problem with random shooting sprees in schools and other public places and gun crime in general compared with the nations in western europe that you are most similar too economically and socially.
it is blatantly obvious it is down to having too many guns in circulation.
How would you handle that? Try to take away millions of legally owned weapons from Constitution-lovers? How would you envision something like that playing out here?
Good, bad, right, wrong, we've a unique history that way. Guns helped free the colony and have been American culture since its inception. Simply can't undo it at this point. Not that we (most) want to, anyway. We'll deal with our violent statistics for the right to defend life and property, and freedom, should the need arise.
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How would you handle that? Try to take away millions of legally owned weapons from Constitution-lovers? How would you envision something like that playing out here?
Good, bad, right, wrong, we've a unique history that way. Guns have been American culture since its inception. Simply can't undo it at this point. Not that we (most) want to, anyway. We'll deal with our violent statistics for the right to defend life and property, should the need arise.
simple, gun amnesty. give people a year or so to give up their guns. then introduce a mandatory 5-10 year prison sentence for anyone caught illegally possessing a gun after the amnesty period.
well slavery was also part of american culture from it's inception. culture should evolve for the good of society.
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Fuck that. Just tell certain people to behave. As much as folks like to prattle on about gun violence, the majority is still suicide or drug and gang violence, and a bit of domestic intra family.
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All that matters is he has the ability to pull a trigger. You order the kid to keep his hands up and he reaches for a gun in his waist band. You have 2 options, shoot him or assume it's fake. Are you really gonna sit there and tell me you would assume it's fake? So he pulls it and fires a shot killing your partner, what then? Maybe this kid is just being mischievous but it doesn't change the outcome. Instead of focusing on chastising the police, maybe, the media should go after the parents or guardian of this kid. Don't be shocked if the officer turns out to be black and you never hear of this again.
Yep, good point.
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simple, gun amnesty. give people a year or so to give up their guns. then introduce a mandatory 5-10 year prison sentence for anyone caught illegally possessing a gun after the amnesty period.
well slavery was also part of american culture from it's inception. culture should evolve for the good of society.
This amnesty legislation alone would bring about uprising never before seen in our history. It would likely lead to revolution. It's like banning tea in the UK. Forget it, won't happen. We'll deal.
Slavery analogy is weak, as one is inherently wrong. In this case, yes, we evolved (as did those who taught us to enslave). Guns, on the other hand, aren't inherently bad. Unless you're an unarmed burglar.
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Fuck that. Just tell certain people to behave. As much as folks like to prattle on about gun violence, the majority is still suicide or drug and gang violence, and a bit of domestic intra family.
Another good argument for guns. Until we legalize 'Right to Die' nationally, guns are much more expedient for ending chronic or terminal suffering. Fuck that hanging silliness.
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This amnesty legislation alone would bring about uprising never before seen in our history. It would likely lead to revolution. It's like banning tea in the UK. Forget it, won't happen. We'll deal.
Slavery analogy is weak, as one is inherently wrong. In this case, yes, we evolved (as did those who taught us to enslave). Guns, on the other hand, aren't inherently bad. Unless you're an unarmed burglar.
rocket launchers aren't inherently bad either but there is no reason in a civilised society that people need to own them. why do you think that the US has such a problem with gun crime and random shooting sprees? don't generally have it in western europe...do you think americans are inherently bad or mental compared to people in europe?
can dance around the issue till the cows come home but it's patently obvious that it boils down to the number of guns in circulation.
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I would have shot him too.
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rocket launchers aren't inherently bad either but there is no reason in a civilised society that people need to own them. why do you think that the US has such a problem with gun crime and random shooting sprees? don't generally have it in western europe...do you think americans are inherently bad or mental compared to people in europe?
can dance around the issue till the cows come home but it's patently obvious that it boils down to the number of guns in circulation.
You're responding to me as though I'm arguing the point. It is clearly the reason we have more gun violence; but they're already out there, most in safe hands, under the protection of a nationally treasured document. The fact that many are not in safe hands, though, causes the problem. Law-abiding Americans are not gonna willingly disarm themselves, knowing the outlaws don't give a shit about this proposed 'amnesty.'
But going back further, we reexamine the impetus for the 2nd Amendment. Many here remember our history quite well and are still a bit paranoid about tyrannical governments. God forbid it ever came to that. Still, you can't ignore the effect an armed population has on its would be tyrant. Keeps everyone honest. And if you've been paying attention to what's happening over here lately with our government, you might understand the paranoia isn't entirely unreasonable anymore.
So your weapon surrender solution is a nonstarter.
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rocket launchers
can dance around the issue till the cows come home but it's patently obvious that it boils down to the number of guns in circulation.
Prove this please. Data and statistics request.
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Fuck that. Just tell certain people to behave. As much as folks like to prattle on about gun violence, the majority is still suicide or drug and gang violence, and a bit of domestic intra family.
Yes it's trash that should be in jail, or loons who should be under permanent "care."
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You're responding to me as though I'm arguing the point. It is clearly the reason we have more gun violence; but they're already out there, most in safe hands, under the protection of a nationally treasured document. The fact that many are not in safe hands, though, causes the problem. Law-abiding Americans are not gonna willingly disarm themselves, knowing the outlaws don't give a shit about this proposed 'amnesty.'
But going back further, we reexamine the impetus for the 2nd Amendment. Many here remember our history quite well and are still a bit paranoid about tyrannical governments. God forbid it ever came to that. Still, you can't ignore the effect an armed population has on its would be tyrant. Keeps everyone honest. And if you've been paying attention to what's happening over here lately with our government, you might understand the paranoia isn't entirely unreasonable anymore.
So your weapon surrender solution is a nonstarter.
No its not the reason. It's a who not what issue
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How can the problem be solved, when very few people in America even realize they have a national mental health crisis?
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the solution here is obvious
BAN PLASTIC GUNS
if the kids played around with these type of weapons, like i did when i was a kid, it would never had happend
(http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/238125/2548257/0/1154790313/Wood_Rubber_bang_Gun.jpg)
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Discharged two shots, yet only hits once? >:(
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No its not the reason. It's a who not what issue
Not following, please explain.
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"Two police officers responded to the scene and ordered the boy to raise his hands, the police said, but he refused and reached for a gun in his waistband. An officer fired two shots, striking the boy once, the police said."
Typical rebellious black youth who struggles to comply with authority.
Hey are you that stupid that you actually believe what you quoted above???????????????????..does it actually make sense that a 12 year old would reach into his waistband..and confront armed cops witha toy gun..obviously a made up story because the cops fucked up..plain and simple
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the solution here is obvious
BAN PLASTIC GUNS
if the kids played around with these type of weapons, like i did when i was a kid, it would never had happend
(http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/238125/2548257/0/1154790313/Wood_Rubber_bang_Gun.jpg)
it would have if you were black
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12 year olds vary in size.
My own 12 year old recently outgrew my shoes. He's as tall as some of his teachers and he's built like a tank. At a distance, he could easily be mistaken for a 17 year old just based on his size.
So I have to wonder how big this kid in Cleveland is.
Then on the toy gun thing... My lad being quite big gets some real funny looks 'cause he's still 12 inside, even though he looks older. So he's quite happy walking down the road swinging a wooden sword and pretending to be Luke Skywalker. He get some funny looks 'cause people thing he must be older and a bit retarded... I just walking around shrugging at people a lot.
At 12, yes I can totally see a harmless kid walking around with a toy gun provided by an adult and being quite happy drawing it every 10 seconds and shooting imaginary foes. No right or wrong about it - just pure fun.
If the cops approached him and shouted "drop the gun", I know what my son would do. He's shit his pants and drop the gun. Although it's possible he'd do it in such a way that he inadvertently looked like he was drawing the gun. If it was in his pocket, he'd probably go straight for it so he could comply quickly. I would not credit him with the sense to move in a slow and controlled manner so that the cops didn't think he was drawing on them.
People that say "he should have known better" have most likely not spent much time around 12 year olds. They are fairly smart but very prone to doing dumb shit.
I think the video needs to come out. That way you'd have a better handle on what occurred.
In my day, toy guns never looked like real guns and I think the parents have a lot of responsibility here. My son has a ton of toy guns - mostly nerf guns and they are way more fun for a 12 year old than a BB gun.
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the solution here is obvious
BAN PLASTIC GUNS
if the kids played around with these type of weapons, like i did when i was a kid, it would never had happend
(http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/238125/2548257/0/1154790313/Wood_Rubber_bang_Gun.jpg)
Or maybe just.....
(http://fabulesslyfrugal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Nerf.png)
common sense?
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Not following, please explain.
Conker is incorrect. It's not the number of guns in circulation that is the problem. Correlation does not imply causation. If it did, the majority of legal gun owners in the country would be committing the bulk of the crime. This is demonstrably false.
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Prove this please. Data and statistics request.
go and look at murder rates, and gun crime in western europe then compare those figs with the US. culturally, socially and economically these are the most similar societies to the US on earth. the number of guns in circulation really is the most logical and glaringly obvious reason for such disparity between the two sides for these crimes. i could provide you with links to the data but i'm sure you're capable of a quick google search . the data is not hard to find.
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go and look at murder rates, and gun crime in western europe then compare those figs with the US. culturally, socially and economically these are the most similar societies to the US on earth. the number of guns in circulation really is the most logical and glaringly obvious reason for such disparity between the two sides for these crimes. i could provide you with links to the data but i'm sure you're capable of a quick google search . the data is not hard to find.
Look at where these crimes occur and who is committed them. It's not the bulk of gun owners committing these crimes. If there was causation crime would be clustered in areas where guns were most prevalent but that's not true.
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I really don't give a fuck about this. I just want to see a muscular man in a thong.
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if guns are not the problem then why do you have such a disproportionate problem with random shooting sprees in schools and other public places and gun crime in general compared with the nations in western europe that you are most similar too economically and socially.
it is blatantly obvious it is down to having too many guns in circulation.
It depends really. Switzerland for instance has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world but is also one of the safest nations to live in.
I think the idea of a gun amnesty in the US is a moot point anyway - there would be a civil war if the government tried to enforce it.
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Look at where these crimes occur and who is committed them. It's not the bulk of gun owners committing these crimes. If there was causation crime would be clustered in areas where guns were most prevalent but that's not true.
there is causation in that guns "magically" migrate to places where guns laws are tough and guns are not even manufactured....like to New York...from [places such as Florida and Virginia
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there is causation in that guns "magically" migrate to places where guns laws are tough and guns are not even manufactured....like to New York...from [places such as Florida and Virginia
You have to prove how they got there other than a conspiracy theory. The most likely scenario is theft considering that a large portion of these crimes are committed with stolen weapons. It's not a stretch to conclude that those committing gun violence are capable of theft.
Even if what you say has a sliver of truth it does not provide evidence for Conkers conclusion that the prevalence of guns is a factor in gun violence. The fact still remains that gun violence isn't higher where guns are the most plentiful.
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Are you trying to say, where's his mom and her baby daddy in all this?
Knock off the racist bullshit, Chaos. His mother and " baby daddy " as you so eloquently put it ( * rolls eyes * ) may not even have known about it. You ever think about that ? Plenty of children ( I know I did ) hide things from their parents.
Is that brain so squished in that fuckin noggin of yours ??
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Stupid dead kid should have been carrying a real pistol, that way he could have stood a chance. Darwin Award winner for sure. He won't be missed.
Wonderful classy post here, folks ! We're discussing the death of a CHILD and you post this kind of shit.
Use to like you, Tommy, but you are CLEARLY a piece of shit. Truly a piece of shit.
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FBI UCR, crime is dropping or staying even -
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/1tabledatadecoverviewpdf/table_1_crime_in_the_united_states_by_volume_and_rate_per_100000_inhabitants_1993-2012.xls .
Crime Race levels by race, note Spanish folks can go under black or white depending -
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf .
Murder by weapon -
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8
Weapons production by year, it's been going up while crime has dropped-
https://www.atf.gov/statistics/index.html
Just some unbiased reports.
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Thank God this stunts don't happen in my country.
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12 year olds vary in size.
My own 12 year old recently outgrew my shoes. He's as tall as some of his teachers and he's built like a tank. At a distance, he could easily be mistaken for a 17 year old just based on his size.
So I have to wonder how big this kid in Cleveland is.
Then on the toy gun thing... My lad being quite big gets some real funny looks 'cause he's still 12 inside, even though he looks older. So he's quite happy walking down the road swinging a wooden sword and pretending to be Luke Skywalker. He get some funny looks 'cause people thing he must be older and a bit retarded... I just walking around shrugging at people a lot.
At 12, yes I can totally see a harmless kid walking around with a toy gun provided by an adult and being quite happy drawing it every 10 seconds and shooting imaginary foes. No right or wrong about it - just pure fun.
If the cops approached him and shouted "drop the gun", I know what my son would do. He's shit his pants and drop the gun. Although it's possible he'd do it in such a way that he inadvertently looked like he was drawing the gun. If it was in his pocket, he'd probably go straight for it so he could comply quickly. I would not credit him with the sense to move in a slow and controlled manner so that the cops didn't think he was drawing on them.
People that say "he should have known better" have most likely not spent much time around 12 year olds. They are fairly smart but very prone to doing dumb shit.
I think the video needs to come out. That way you'd have a better handle on what occurred.
In my day, toy guns never looked like real guns and I think the parents have a lot of responsibility here. My son has a ton of toy guns - mostly nerf guns and they are way more fun for a 12 year old than a BB gun.
As much as I like GB, there are poster on here in their mid 30s who act like spoiled childs, yet they claim a real 12 years old kid "should have known better". ::)
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Pew pew 'Merica
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Look at where these crimes occur and who is committed them. It's not the bulk of gun owners committing these crimes. If there was causation crime would be clustered in areas where guns were most prevalent but that's not true.
OK so you tell me what areas have the highest gun crime rates in the US then lets compare just the legally owned number of guns in said area to the number of leaglly owned guns in any country in western europe.... as i said you can dance around it all day long come up with this or that clever line to support your argument.
but the blindingly obvious reason why you have so many criminals with guns is simply because they are so readily available, in the UK and rest of western europe it is very rare for criminals to possess guns because they are just much more difficult to get hold of. And then you have this random school/public shooting spree phenomena, which nearly always turn out to be legally owned guns used.
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OK so you tell me what areas have the highest gun crime rates in the US then lets compare just the legally owned number of guns in said area to the number of leaglly owned guns in any country in western europe.... as i said you can dance around it all day long come up with this or that clever line to support your argument.
but the blindingly obvious reason why you have so many criminals with guns is simply because they are so readily available, in the UK and rest of western europe it is very rare for criminals to possess guns because they are just much more difficult to get hold of. And then you have this random school/public shooting spree phenomena, which nearly always turn out to be legally owned guns used.
You haven't proven your point. You're argument was that more guns by default equaled more crimes and that's just not true. If what you suggest were true the area with the most guns would have the most gun crime but it doesn't.
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to be honest... this is a case where no one wins...
The kid is 12, but 12 is old enough to know that if you take the orange thing off a toy gun it will be confused for a real one, which is what he was going for. He mad a shitty dumb decision. Ive made a lot of shitty decisions but ive had the good fortune not to do it in front of cops.
And the cops, like can you blame them. The kid reached for his gun, as far as the police figured at the time.
Just a really shitty situation
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to be honest... this is a case where no one wins...
The kid is 12, but 12 is old enough to know that if you take the orange thing off a toy gun it will be confused for a real one, which is what he was going for. He mad a shitty dumb decision. Ive made a lot of shitty decisions but ive had the good fortune not to do it in front of cops.
And the cops, like can you blame them. The kid reached for his gun, as far as the police figured at the time.
Just a really shitty situation
It's definitely a shitty situation. I didn't even think they made toy guns that weren't brightly colored anymore. I thought this shit was settled twenty years ago.
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You have to prove how they got there other than a conspiracy theory. The most likely scenario is theft considering that a large portion of these crimes are committed with stolen weapons. It's not a stretch to conclude that those committing gun violence are capable of theft.
Even if what you say has a sliver of truth it does not provide evidence for Conkers conclusion that the prevalence of guns is a factor in gun violence. The fact still remains that gun violence isn't higher where guns are the most plentiful.
OK not sure if it's the case but let's say that a "large" proportion of crimes are carried out with stolen guns, there must be a hell of a lot of stolen guns in circulation...how come there are so many stolen guns? err maybe because there are so many available to steal...however you chop it up, it all boils down to the same thing. at the route of the problem is the huge amount of guns in circulation nationwide.
if you think the number of guns in the country is not a factor in your gun crime figures why do you think there is such difference between these figures and those in western europe?
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OK not sure if it's the case but let's say that a "large" proportion of crimes are carried out with stolen guns, there must be a hell of a lot of stolen guns in circulation...how come there are so many stolen guns? err maybe because there are so many available to steal...however you chop it up, it all boils down to the same thing. at the route of the problem is the huge amount of guns in circulation nationwide.
if you think the number of guns in the country is not a factor in your gun crime figures why do you think there is such difference between these figures and those in western europe?
Criminals will be criminals. You're argument was that in areas where there were more guns the crimes should be higher but it isn't. Number of gun is not a factor. Who has the guns is the most important factor.
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You haven't proven your point. You're argument was that more guns by default equaled more crimes and that's just not true. If what you suggest were true the area with the most guns would have the most gun crime but it doesn't.
yeh yeh yeh, seen all this before, if you are comparing yourself with lawless third world countries then yeh you're gun crime rates don't look so bad and you can then conclude there is no relation between guns in circulation and gun crime.
BUT when you compare yourselves with the nations you're most culturally and economically similar to i.e the rest of the developed world then yes there is a quite clear correlation between gun crime and numbers of guns in circulation...
you can generally travel quite freely and unchecked in most nations in the western world so moving guns or anything else around internally is not very difficult, so your area to area argument is pretty ingenious.
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Criminals will be criminals. You're argument was that in areas where there were more guns the crimes should be higher but it isn't. Number of gun is not a factor. Who has the guns is the most important factor.
no my argument was in developed nations(not areas within a given country) the number of guns in circulation is a huge factor in gun crime rates.
the more guns in general=the more guns in the hands of baddies
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You have teenagers only a few years older than 12 who murder their parents or shootup schools.
Also to the people asking where the parents are: A 12 year old kid is old enough to go to the park by himself.
You act like he should of had the parents right by his side 24/7.
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can dance around the issue till the cows come home but it's patently obvious that it boils down to the number of guns in circulation.
no my argument was in developed nations(not areas within a given country) the number of guns in circulation is a huge factor in gun crime rates.
the more guns in general=the more guns in the hands of baddies
This isn't true either and its a major simplification. You're only considering the total number of guns and not where gun violence is happening the most. By the numbers, the overwhelming majority of gun owners do not commit crimes at a rate any higher than the national average. As I said, gun violence is about who has the guns and not the guns themselves. Gun crime occurs across the country but it's concentrated in certain areas. The problem isn't the guns, its the circumstances in the high crime areas. Remove the guns and the violence would remain. Look at Chicago. Chicago has pretty strict gun restrictions but violence is rampant. The total number of guns is irrelevant.
Subtract the high crime areas where gun violence occurs most frequently and the United States has a crime rate comparable to Europe.
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How many blacks those fine American officers shoot every year :)
Probably thousands. Our cops kill everyone and everything they encounter- people, dogs, cats, livestock, it doesn't matter. Kill kill kill. That's what our police do.
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to be honest... this is a case where no one wins...
The kid is 12, but 12 is old enough to know that if you take the orange thing off a toy gun it will be confused for a real one, which is what he was going for. He mad a shitty dumb decision. Ive made a lot of shitty decisions but ive had the good fortune not to do it in front of cops.
And the cops, like can you blame them. The kid reached for his gun, as far as the police figured at the time.
Just a really shitty situation
Yeah. I'm curious to see what an investigation will reveal. It's possible that the police acted appropriately to a perceived threat and escalated the situation as needed, but I'm not gonna take them at their word for it.
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This isn't true either and its a major simplification. You're only considering the total number of guns and not where gun violence is happening the most. By the numbers, the overwhelming majority of gun owners do not commit crimes at a rate any higher than the national average. As I said, gun violence is about who has the guns and not the guns themselves. Gun crime occurs across the country but it's concentrated in certain areas. The problem isn't the guns, its the circumstances in the high crime areas. Remove the guns and the violence would remain. Look at Chicago. Chicago has pretty strict gun restrictions but violence is rampant. The total number of guns is irrelevant.
Subtract the high crime areas where gun violence occurs most frequently and the United States has a crime rate comparable to Europe.
if total number of guns in circulation has no relevance, then why do you think you have such a huge problem with gun crime compared to the rest of the developed world and such a higher murder rate?
we also have high crime and violent crime areas in the uk and i'm certain if guns were as readily available to criminals here as they are in the US we would face similar problems, but the guns simply aren't there to throw petrol on the fire.
anyways i'm done banging my head against a brick wall with you, if americans generally really can't see the correlation between the number of guns in circulation and gun crime, then who am i to argue ;)
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if total number of guns in circulation has no relevance, then why do you think you have such a huge problem with gun crime compared to the rest of the developed world and such a higher murder rate?
we also have high crime and violent crime areas in the uk and i'm certain if guns were as readily available to criminals here as they are in the US we would face similar problems, but the guns simply aren't there to throw petrol on the fire.
anyways i'm done banging my head against a brick wall with you, if americans generally really can't see the correlation between the number of guns in circulation and gun crime, then who am i to argue ;)
Population differences. There is no correlation. Most gun owners are law abiding citizens so the number of guns is a non-issue. Areas with the highest concentration of gun owners and thus circulation of guns should have, according to you, a higher rate of gun violence. They do not.
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Population differences. There is no correlation. Most gun owners are law abiding citizens so the number of guns is a non-issue. Areas with the highest concentration of gun owners and thus circulation of guns should have, according to you, a higher rate of gun violence. They do not.
lol ok i'll have one more go!
population differences= .... any explanation?
i agree most gun owners are likely to be law abiding citizens , as you said a "large portion" of gun crime(you think) is stolen guns being used, who are the criminals stealing the guns from....legal gun owners(?)
trafficking anything internally is pretty easy, could you honestly say that you think there is any city in your country ,high gun concentration(for the US) or not where a criminal would find difficulty getting their hands on a gun? it doesn't need to be a "high gun concentration area" per se, if wherever you are it's easy to get a firearm.
that is what i am saying is the difference ,it is not easy getting your hands on guns on the black market in the UK/europe due to there being a minute number of guns in circulation to start with.
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lol ok i'll have one more go!
population differences= .... any explanation?
i agree most gun owners are likely to be law abiding citizens , as you said a "large portion" of gun crime(you think) is stolen guns being used, who are the criminals stealing the guns from....legal gun owners(?)
trafficking anything internally is pretty easy, could you honestly say that you think there is any city in your country ,high gun concentration(for the US) or not where a criminal would find difficulty getting their hands on a gun? it doesn't need to be a "high gun concentration area" per se, if wherever you are it's easy to get a firearm.
that is what i am saying is the difference ,it is not easy getting your hands on guns on the black market in the UK/europe due to there being a minute number of guns in circulation to start with.
Population differences, type, income and size, within the United States and the same differences in population between the United States, Asia and Europe. Evaluating the distribution of crime based on population size, history, congestion of population groups, culture and income levels(thought that is overstated). Where the crime happening and why is more important than the guns themselves. There are many theories as to why crime is more prevalent in one place and not another. I don't think there is a universal answer that applies to every country
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exactly what I thought
Yeah, you thought that because you are a dumbass. This is not what any policeman would or should do.
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simple, gun amnesty. give people a year or so to give up their guns. then introduce a mandatory 5-10 year prison sentence for anyone caught illegally possessing a gun after the amnesty period.
well slavery was also part of american culture from it's inception. culture should evolve for the good of society.
Moron, the United States is a vast land and there are not enough police for the majority of the country. In rural areas, which the United States is still the majority, it can take law enforcement 20-40 minutes or more to get to someone. Citizens need to be able to protect themselves first and foremost. I know you have no conception of this because you live like a termite in a congested area.
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rocket launchers aren't inherently bad either but there is no reason in a civilised society that people need to own them. why do you think that the US has such a problem with gun crime and random shooting sprees? don't generally have it in western europe...do you think americans are inherently bad or mental compared to people in europe?
can dance around the issue till the cows come home but it's patently obvious that it boils down to the number of guns in circulation.
Yes. We have a certain groups of people largely responsible for all violence, not just gun violence. Take away that crime statistic and you have a lower crime rate than pretty much any 1st world country.
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if total number of guns in circulation has no relevance, then why do you think you have such a huge problem with gun crime compared to the rest of the developed world and such a higher murder rate?
we also have high crime and violent crime areas in the uk and i'm certain if guns were as readily available to criminals here as they are in the US we would face similar problems, but the guns simply aren't there to throw petrol on the fire.
anyways i'm done banging my head against a brick wall with you, if americans generally really can't see the correlation between the number of guns in circulation and gun crime, then who am i to argue ;)
Hey moron, I live in an area with more guns per capita than anywhere in the United States and there hasn`t been a murder in over two decades. Figure that out for me.
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You have to prove how they got there other than a conspiracy theory. The most likely scenario is theft considering that a large portion of these crimes are committed with stolen weapons. It's not a stretch to conclude that those committing gun violence are capable of theft.
Even if what you say has a sliver of truth it does not provide evidence for Conkers conclusion that the prevalence of guns is a factor in gun violence. The fact still remains that gun violence isn't higher where guns are the most plentiful.
Actualy I wasn't alluding to a conspiracy...there are criminal gun rings and thefts of firearms that funnel weapons to certain regions....and I could make the same theory that you made but in reverse......look at Japan and Britain where no one has guns.....there is hardly any gun violence.....in New York city almost all gun violence is from out of town guns, not legally bought weapons which are hard to get in NY...so the prevalence of guns, many illegal ,contribute to gun violence as well as American violent culture
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Conker is incorrect. It's not the number of guns in circulation that is the problem. Correlation does not imply causation. If it did, the majority of legal gun owners in the country would be committing the bulk of the crime. This is demonstrably false.
I see.
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Actualy I wasn't alluding to a conspiracy...there are criminal gun rings and thefts of firearms that funnel weapons to certain regions....and I could make the same theory that you made but in reverse......look at Japan and Britain where no one has guns.....there is hardly any gun violence.....in New York city almost all gun violence is from out of town guns, not legally bought weapons which are hard to get in NY...so the prevalence of guns, many illegal ,contribute to gun violence as well as American violent culture
Having studied Japan all my adult life I will tell you the reason for Japan being a low violence nation is all cultural. Again, its not fair to compare Britain and the United States at least the United States as a whole. Subtract the areas of concentrated crime in the United States and the crime levels are pretty comparable to Britain. I'm sure if you compared crime rates in the areas of the US with a high concentration of gun ownership with crime rates in a British town of a similar population make up there wouldn't be much difference in crime.
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Hey moron, I live in an area with more guns per capita than anywhere in the United States and there hasn`t been a murder in over two decades. Figure that out for me.
hey fuko ,you live in your mommy's basement, baking cakes and taking cocks up the arse all day, what the fk do you know about what goes on in the real world ::)
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Yes. We have a certain groups of people largely responsible for all violence, not just gun violence. Take away that crime statistic and you have a lower crime rate than pretty much any 1st world country.
lol we have them too...we call them "violent criminals" ::)
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hey fuko ,you live in your mommy's basement, baking cakes and taking cocks up the arse all day, what the fk do you know about what goes on in the real world ::)
No I don`t.
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No I don`t.
my bad ;D ;D
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You have teenagers only a few years older than 12 who murder their parents or shootup schools.
Also to the people asking where the parents are: A 12 year old kid is old enough to go to the park by himself.
You act like he should of had the parents right by his side 24/7.
I read Tyson's autobiography. That fucker was doing shit at age ten that coulda got him shot by police any day of the week. Some kids grow up real fast.
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The United States only has a violence rate of of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents which puts it below any European country on that list (even with the gun violence figured in).
Hope this helps.
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Having studied Japan all my adult life I will tell you the reason for Japan being a low violence nation is all cultural. Again, its not fair to compare Britain and the United States at least the United States as a whole. Subtract the areas of concentrated crime in the United States and the crime levels are pretty comparable to Britain. I'm sure if you compared crime rates in the areas of the US with a high concentration of gun ownership with crime rates in a British town of a similar population make up there wouldn't be much difference in crime.
not true because there are no guns in the poor areas of Britain
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not true because there are no guns in the poor areas of Britain
UK is way more violent and has a higher violent crime rate than the United States.
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Handgun/firearm ban in the UK has done NOTHING as far as overall trend is concerned.
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not true because there are no guns in the poor areas of Britain
I'm sure there are. But that's not the comparison I'm making. Take an area of the United States with a high concentration of gun owners (not gun violence) and compare it to a British area with a similar population.
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TA mopping the floor w people in this thread.
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TA is like A Beautiful Mind when it comes to charts and graphs.
He comes up with this shit in minutes :D
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UK is way more violent and has a higher violent crime rate than the United States.
but not in terms of gun violence
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The United States only has a violence rate of of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents which puts it below any European country on that list (even with the gun violence figured in).
Hope this helps.
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oh look the UK is more violent than south africa ::)
as i've said before crime figs apart from murder stats are very difficult to compare country to country as each nation has very different ways of classifying different crimes. but if that chart gives an accurate picture, then that would point even more to the correlation between guns in circulation and gun crime and murder rates...why else would the UK be generally more violent than the US but have a much, much lower gun crime and murder rate?
you are confirming my argument for me...thanks
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but not in terms of gun violence
Listen - if you took out the crimes committed in da hood by the thuggies - are crime rates are less than Europe - a lot less.
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oh look the UK is more violent than south africa ::)
as i've said before crime figs apart from murder stats are very difficult to compare country to country as each nation has very different ways of classifying different crimes. but if that chart gives an accurate picture, then that would point even more to the correlation between guns in circulation and gun crime and murder rates...why else would the UK be generally more violent than the US but have a much, much lower gun crime and murder rate?
you are confirming my argument for me...thanks
You are too stupid to interpret all of this information I see.
Game over. I have proven with facts that you and the others are complete morons.
Come back to me when you have some real evidence.
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You are too stupid to interpret all of this information I see.
Game over. I have proven with facts that you and the others are complete morons.
Come back to me when you have some real evidence.
lol ;D
answer the question...if there is no correlation between guns in society and murder rates/gun crime, why (as you claim) would a more violent nation than the US (the uk) have such a small fraction of the murder rate and gun crimes you have?
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lol ;D
answer the question...if there is no correlation between guns in society and murder rates/gun crime, why (as you claim) would a more violent nation than the US (the uk) have such a small fraction of the murder rate and gun crimes you have?
Again, according to this logic where the guns are most prevalent would be where the most crime is but its not. What is the distribution of crime in the UK. Where is it located and who is committing it?
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lol ;D
answer the question...if there is no correlation between guns in society and murder rates/gun crime, why (as you claim) would a more violent nation than the US (the uk) have such a small fraction of the murder rate and gun crimes you have?
good point
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Wow, Chicago is off the f'n charts. Now what "certain group" are we dealing with here?
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Portugal is awsome!
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Again, according to this logic where the guns are most prevalent would be where the most crime is but its not. What is the distribution of crime in the UK. Where is it located and who is committing it?
majority of crime in the UK is concentrated in inner city areas by people of low socioeconomic status, pretty much the same i would guess as it is in the US
the difference is in these areas in the UK the people committing crime don't have easy to access to guns hence us having a much lower gun crime and murder rate.
why do you think so many criminals in the US have guns if it isn't down to the huge number of guns you have in general circulation?
you said before that you believed a large portion of gun crime is committed with stolen guns, where do you think these stolen guns come from if not from legal gun owners?
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majority of crime in the UK is concentrated in inner city areas by people of low socioeconomic status, pretty much the same i would guess as it is in the US
the difference is in these areas in the UK the people committing crime don't have easy to access to guns hence us having a much lower gun crime and murder rate.
why do you think so many criminals in the US have guns if it isn't down to the huge number of guns you have in general circulation?
you said before that you believed a large portion of gun crime is committed with stolen guns, where do you think these stolen guns come from if not from legal gun owners?
How they are getting the guns is irrelevant. The majority of people who have guns don't behave that way so they shouldn't be punished for the behavior of irredeemable thugs.
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How they are getting the guns is irrelevant. The majority of people who have guns don't behave that way so they shouldn't be punished for the behavior of irredeemable thugs.
ok well you're entitled to your opinion but it's not only the problem with criminals with guns, the routine random school, college etc shooting frenzies must be devastating to national morale...
but anyway at least you have ceased with your ridiculous argument that the gun crime has nothing to do with the amount of guns in circulation as after stating you believed a high proportion of gun crime is committed with stolen guns, i think even you realise how stupid it would be to continue that argument, as if there wasn't so many legal guns in circulation, they wouldn't be there to steal, would they?
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ok well you're entitled to your opinion but it's not only the problem with criminals with guns, the routine random school, college etc shooting frenzies must be devastating to national morale...
but anyway at least you have ceased with your ridiculous argument that the gun crime has nothing to do with the amount of guns in circulation as after stating you believed a high proportion of gun crime is committed with stolen guns, i think even you realise how stupid it would be to continue that argument, as if there wasn't so many legal guns in circulation, they wouldn't be there to steal, would they?
No, the number of circulating guns has no relation to gun violence. As I've stated multiple times, if what you said was true the areas of the country with the most guns would have the most violence but they don't. What remains consistent between the UK and the US gun violence are those committing the majority of the crimes.
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No, the number of circulating guns has no relation to gun violence. As I've stated multiple times, if what you said was true the areas of the country with the most guns would have the most violence but they don't. What remains consistent between the UK and the US gun violence are those committing the majority of the crimes.
oh dear you are back to the BS again. the fact is the guns are easy for criminals to get hold of nationally because you have so many guns in circulation nationwide.
i see you still avoid answering where the stolen guns you believe are committing a high % of gun crime are coming from?, legal owners? stolen from areas with high or low gun ownership?
i won't hold my breath for an answer! ;D
p.s gun crime in the UK is miniscule and those committing gun crimes commit nowhere even close to the MAJORITY of crimes nationwide.
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Lol, owning the minds of tiny tits with sound logic.
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This building should be quite safe as well.
You put this in the wrong thread
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You put this in the wrong thread
Oops will move. Lots of whites killing black kids is confusing. :-X
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oh dear you are back to the BS again. the fact is the guns are easy for criminals to get hold of nationally because you have so many guns in circulation nationwide.
i see you still avoid answering where the stolen guns you believe are committing a high % of gun crime are coming from?, legal owners? stolen from areas with high or low gun ownership?
i won't hold my breath for an answer! ;D
p.s gun crime in the UK is miniscule and those committing gun crimes commit nowhere even close to the MAJORITY of crimes nationwide.
The violence isn't the result of gun access. The violence is the result of a culture that glorifies violence. Take the guns away and the violence level would remain the same.
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Funny that you are the one that brings race into it, not I.
You bring race or religion and political views into everything. Putting people into categories is what you do best.
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You bring race or religion and political views into everything. Putting people into categories is what you do best.
You are in the look like a moron category.
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You are in the look like a moron category.
Now you're on the defense and insulted over some friendly constructive criticism? Lol insecure and completely inept too, go figure.
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You bring race or religion and political views into everything. Putting people into categories is what you do best.
In the United States race and politics run through everything. In terms of crime, race and politics are highly relevant.
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Listen - if you took out the crimes committed in da hood by the thuggies - are crime rates are less than Europe - a lot less.
Theyre American tho right..
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No, the number of circulating guns has no relation to gun violence. As I've stated multiple times, if what you said was true the areas of the country with the most guns would have the most violence but they don't. What remains consistent between the UK and the US gun violence are those committing the majority of the crimes.
sorry...you're wrong on this because the number of circulating guns does have an affect on crime, suicide, etc.....and your assertion that the areas with the most guns have the least crime looks good on paper but actually the areas with the most guns are in the inner city WHERE VERY FEW GUNS ARE REGISTERED......I will agree with your assertion that in areas where there are REGISTERED GUNS there may be less crime but thats because usually the more affluent you are, the more access you have to guns.....if you are already afluent and live in an area where people are relatively well off, then of course there will be less violence...but not because of the prevalence of guns but because the guns are in the hands of people who are already well off and who are not prone to violence....THE INNER CITY WHERE THERE IS A LARGE PREVALENCE OF GUNS, BUT UNREGISTERED ARE IN THE HANDS OF THOSE WHO COME FROM RELATIVELY IMPOVERISHED BACKGROUNDS AND WHO ARE PRONE TO VIOLENCE
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sorry...you're wrong on this because the number of circulating guns does have an affect on crime, suicide, etc.....and your assertion that the areas with the most guns have the least crime looks good on paper but actually the areas with the most guns are in the inner city WHERE VERY FEW GUNS ARE REGISTERED......I will agree with your assertion that in areas where there are REGISTERED GUNS there may be less crime but thats because usually the more affluent you are, the more access you have to guns.....if you are already afluent and live in an area where people are relatively well off, then of course there will be less violence...but not because of the prevalence of guns but because the guns are in the hands of people who are already well off and who are not prone to violence....THE INNER CITY WHERE THERE IS A LARGE PREVALENCE OF GUNS, BUT UNREGISTERED ARE IN THE HANDS OF THOSE WHO COME FROM RELATIVELY IMPOVERISHED BACKGROUNDS AND WHO ARE PRONE TO VIOLENCE
The areas with the most guns are not the inner cities. I'd like REAL proof on that. You can't base your assertion on the argument guns are unregistered because you can't prove that. You also can't extrapolate more guns exist because of more gun violence. There isn't any proof for that either.
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sorry...you're wrong on this because the number of circulating guns does have an affect on crime, suicide, etc.....and your assertion that the areas with the most guns have the least crime looks good on paper but actually the areas with the most guns are in the inner city WHERE VERY FEW GUNS ARE REGISTERED......I will agree with your assertion that in areas where there are REGISTERED GUNS there may be less crime but thats because usually the more affluent you are, the more access you have to guns.....if you are already afluent and live in an area where people are relatively well off, then of course there will be less violence...but not because of the prevalence of guns but because the guns are in the hands of people who are already well off and who are not prone to violence....THE INNER CITY WHERE THERE IS A LARGE PREVALENCE OF GUNS, BUT UNREGISTERED ARE IN THE HANDS OF THOSE WHO COME FROM RELATIVELY IMPOVERISHED BACKGROUNDS AND WHO ARE PRONE TO VIOLENCE
so you're saying it's not the guns, it's the kind of people who have the guns??!!
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so you're saying it's not the guns, it's the kind of people who have the guns??!!
I'm saying if you put a bunch of guns in a community which is poor and poverty stricken....then there is going to be more gun violence
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I'm saying if you put a bunch of guns in a community which is poor and poverty stricken....then there is going to be more gun violence
Not always true. Many poor rural white areas with tons of guns and there is no gun violence.
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I'm saying if you put a bunch of guns in a community which is poor and poverty stricken....then there is going to be more gun violence
That isn't always the case. Poor rural communities have a high concentration of guns but lower crime rates. There is a difference thought and its not what you might expect I'd say.
Not always true. Many poor rural white areas with tons of guns and there is no gun violence.
You beat me to it.
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I'm saying if you put a bunch of guns in a community which is poor and poverty stricken....then there is going to be more gun violence
Ah, yes. As opposed to the rich poverty-stricken communities.
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Video of the killing will be released later today.
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Not always true. Many poor rural white areas with tons of guns and there is no gun violence.
One of the special features on the DVD for The City of God showed rows and rows of confiscated American made guns from the favelas.
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One of the special features on the DVD for The City of God showed rows and rows of confiscated American made guns from the favelas.
You ever hear a reggae track by Little Hero "No gun mek dung deh, dung inna di ghetto - Babylon send dem dund deh, and more gunshot a echo!"
About the same thing, American guns ending up in Jamaican ghettos
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You ever hear a reggae track by Little Hero "No gun mek dung deh, dung inna di ghetto - Babylon send dem dund deh, and more gunshot a echo!"
About the same thing, American guns ending up in Jamaican ghettos
yep.
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Not America's job to care. At the end of the day, a firearm is still a machine that needs a willing hand to operate it. It's the willing part that some communities need to change :).
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Not true,...you gotta take some responsibility for what you put out into the community...whether it be guns, drugs, etc,,,
Even McDonalds takes responsibility for making people obese for years with their unhealthy food....
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I'm not reading all 8 pages, but wanted to ask:
What color was the cop?
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The absolute dumbest thing a person can do (other than charging a cop with a gun trained on you) is to modify a fake gun to make it look real so you can then wave it at someone who has a real gun trained on you. It's a virtual guarantee that you will be shot
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The absolute dumbest thing a person can do (other than charging a cop with a gun trained on you) is to modify a fake gun to make it look real so you can then wave it at someone who has a real gun trained on you. It's a virtual guarantee that you will be shot
the kid was twelve years old...adn I would almost guarantee that a 12 year old would not "reach into his waistband" to pull a fake gun on an armed cop...thats a police cover up because they fucked up....
don't be naive
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the kid was twelve years old...adn I would almost guarantee that a 12 year old would not "reach into his waistband" to pull a fake gun on an armed cop...thats a police cover up because they fucked up....
don't be naive
So you're just going to assume its a police cover up without actually seeing any evidence? ???
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So you're just going to assume its a police cover up without actually seeing any evidence? ???
why not?...you're obviously assuming the opposite....without any evidence
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It does suck the kid died.
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He's not really dead as long as we remember to steal a TV.
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It does suck the kid died.
yes it sucks....but black kids are always winding up dead in small situations like this....WHY?
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He's not really dead as long as we remember to steal a TV.
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yes it sucks....but black kids are always winding up dead in small situations like this....WHY?
That's a question only the black community can answer and change. If you're implying black kids are always being killed by the police regularly I would argue that's not true. If it were true, it would only be a problem if you assumed the black kids getting killed were disproportionately innocent, had no responsibility in their own death, the cops were racist and the kids were killed for being black. That can't be proven. Well, it can be proven but you would have to comb through the data to determine the circumstances of the death.
On a side, note, when I was a kid there was a shooting of a white kid who had a realistic toy gun. At the time I had two toy guns that were replicas of a Baretta. My brother took them from me when he heard about the shooting. I'm glad my brother was looking out for me.
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That's a question only the black community can answer and change. If you're implying black kids are always being killed by the police regularly I would argue that's not true. If it were true, it would only be a problem if you assumed the black kids getting killed were disproportionately innocent, had no responsibility in their own death, the cops were racist and the kids were killed for being black. That can't be proven. Well, it can be proven but you would have to comb through the data to determine the circumstances of the death.
On a side, note, when I was a kid there was a shooting of a white kid who had a realistic toy gun. At the time I had two toy guns that were replicas of a Baretta. My brother took them from me when he heard about the shooting. I'm glad my brother was looking out for me.
To say that only black people can stop whats going on is noty accurate...I think you were well-intentioned in saying tyhat but whites basically control all institutions of govermment and can't shirk responsibility....but the problem is that whites won't own up to the problem....remember there used to be to NO SUCH thing as police brutality until the Rodney King Video...before it was just something that blacks were making up to get back at police officers.....since then we have seen numerous videos which prove that police brutality is more rampant than we thought...befoire it was "just the believe the policeman's word...he can't possibly be lying"......
by the way...I agree..your brother was brilliant..good job by him
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I'm not reading all 8 pages, but wanted to ask:
What color was the cop?
The lack of mentioning the cops race tells you his race.
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the kid was twelve years old...adn I would almost guarantee that a 12 year old would not "reach into his waistband" to pull a fake gun on an armed cop...thats a police cover up because they fucked up....
don't be naive
We will find out when we see the video later today.
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We will find out when we see the video later today.
okay..they are releasing it>?
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To say that only black people can stop whats going on is noty accurate...I think you were well-intentioned in saying tyhat but whites basically control all institutions of govermment and can't shirk responsibility....but the problem is that whites won't own up to the problem....remember there used to be to NO SUCH thing as police brutality until the Rodney King Video...before it was just something that blacks were making up to get back at police officers.....since then we have seen numerous videos which prove that police brutality is more rampant than we thought...befoire it was "just the believe the policeman's word...he can't possibly be lying"......
by the way...I agree..your brother was brilliant..good job by him
What problem? You have to prove there is a problem. You have to prove it's a white problem. You're argument is based entirely on the assumption that black men are being killed by racist white cops in large numbers. You have to prove black men are being killed in large numbers. You have to prove the motivation is racial and the cops were even white. You have to prove the men killed were innocent and the actions of the deceased had no part in their own demise.
Now take a moment to look at crime rates, particularly crimes committed by blacks against whites. The discrepancy between white on black and black on white is overwhelming. The numbers clearly show that blacks commit crimes against whites by a much wider margin than whites against blacks. Do you feel that you have a personal responsibility to own up to the problem? Do you even think there is a problem. Are you shirking your responsibility? Or do you feel like you shouldn't be required to answer for the crimes committed by others.
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I'm not reading all 8 pages, but wanted to ask:
What color was the cop?
I'm not sure but I'm guessing either black or brown because this case/killing isn't getting any attention.
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What problem? You have to prove there is a problem. You have to prove it's a white problem. You're argument is based entirely on the assumption that black men are being killed by racist white cops in large numbers. You have to prove black men are being killed in large numbers. You have to prove the motivation is racial and the cops were even white. You have to prove the men killed were innocent and the actions of the deceased had no part in their own demise.
Now take a moment to look at crime rates, particularly crimes committed by blacks against whites. The discrepancy between white on black and black on white is overwhelming. The numbers clearly show that blacks commit crimes against whites by a much wider margin than whites against blacks. Do you feel that you have a personal responsibility to own up to the problem? Do you even think there is a problem. Are you shirking your responsibility? Or do you feel like you shouldn't be required to answer for the crimes committed by others.
To say that black crime is not a white problem is shirking responsibility in a roundabout way....black crime and crime committed by all races is a serious problem for everyone in society......thats like saying slavery was a black problem ::)...whites control or dominate all institutions in society I agree and acknowledge that blacks commit a large percentage of crimes and a large percentage of crimes against whites but its not becuase they are black and they want to prey on white victims....its economic...a less affluent population going after a more affluent population....are less affluent populations prone to more violence?....yes of course...
Whites seem to think that police and the criminal justice system are infallible......look at all the black guys released from prison in the past 20 years due to DNA testing and the innocense project who were set up by police and/or prosecutors.....(some whites were released as well)....so we have to stop constantly giving the police the benefit of the doubt and stop pretending that they don't lie when they're in hot shit just like everyone else does....
and if you look at the stats you will see that blacks get arrested for minor crimes like Trespassing for example much much more frequently than whites....there is a culture in the various police depts across America that locking up blacks is fine and no one questions it
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To say that black crime is not a white problem is shirking responsibility in a roundabout way....black crime and crime committed by all races is a serious problem for everyone in society......thats like saying slavery was a black problem ::)...whites control or dominate all institutions in society I agree and acknowledge that blacks commit a large percentage of crimes and a large percentage of crimes against whites but its not becuase they are black and they want to prey on white victims....its economic...a less affluent population going after a more affluent population....are less affluent populations prone to more violence?....yes of course...
Whites seem to think that police and the criminal justice system are infallible......look at all the black guys released from prison in the past 20 years due to DNA testing and the innocense project who were set up by police and/or prosecutors.....(some whites were released as well)....so we have to stop constantly giving the police the benefit of the doubt and stop pretending that they don't lie when they're in hot shit just like everyone else does....
and if you look at the stats you will see that blacks get arrested for minor crimes like Trespassing for example much much more frequently than whites....there is a culture in the various police depts across America that locking up blacks is fine and no one questions it
Crime in the black community is a black problem. There is nothing I can do to keep fathers in the home or get parents to be more involved in their children's education. I can't change minds or be a role model for them because in their eyes I can never be. Blacks don't think I have anything to offer their community other than money.
You can't dismiss the crime against whites by blacks as simply a product of poverty. You have to prove that. You accused me of not owing up to and skirting my responsibilities but you are doing the very same thing by so easily dismissing these crimes as a product of poverty. The discrepancy is so large it demonstrates a clear pattern. When blacks target whites I doubt they ran their credit score before hand.
Blacks are attacking whites based on the assumption they have money because they are white. That would be profiling. However, the problem with your theory is that rates of black on white crime are pretty consistent across economic lines. What this means is that poor blacks are attack poor whites.
Whites don't think the police are infallible. In regards to black arrests, you're making a key mistake in your analysis. You're attempting to compare crime for crime without knowing the context. For example, a black guy is arrested for trespassing who has priors arrests. He also has pot in his pocket. Then you have a white guy arrested for trespassing who has no priors and is not in possession of pot. You can't compare the two because the circumstances are different but that's not what's happening. When you see these comparisons being made you are never presented with the criminal histories of the two people being compared.
Again, prove to me that black men are being murder by racist white cops for being black. Even if white cops killed a black male that does not imply racism. As you dismissed black on white crime I can also dismiss white cops shooting black suspects with nearly the same argument. In your scenario blacks aren't targeting whites but simply attacking the more affluent. I could argue that white cops aren't shooting blacks intentionally but shooting criminals who the data indicates are likely to be black based on the area being patrolled.
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Crime in the black community is a black problem. There is nothing I can do to keep fathers in the home or get parents to be more involved in their children's education. I can't change minds or be a role model for them because in their eyes I can never be. Blacks don't think I have anything to offer their community other than money.
You can't dismiss the crime against whites by blacks as simply a product of poverty. You have to prove that. You accused me of not owing up to and skirting my responsibilities but you are doing the very same thing by so easily dismissing these crimes as a product of poverty. The discrepancy is so large it demonstrates a clear pattern. When blacks target whites I doubt they ran their credit score before hand.
Blacks are attacking whites based on the assumption they have money because they are white. That would be profiling. However, the problem with your theory is that rates of black on white crime are pretty consistent across economic lines. What this means is that poor blacks are attack poor whites.
Whites don't think the police are infallible. In regards to black arrests, you're making a key mistake in your analysis. You're attempting to compare crime for crime without knowing the context. For example, a black guy is arrested for trespassing who has priors arrests. He also has pot in his pocket. Then you have a white guy arrested for trespassing who has no priors and is not in possession of pot. You can't compare the two because the circumstances are different but that's not what's happening. When you see these comparisons being made you are never presented with the criminal histories of the two people being compared.
Again, prove to me that black men are being murder by racist white cops for being black. Even if white cops killed a black male that does not imply racism. As you dismissed black on white crime I can also dismiss white cops shooting black suspects with nearly the same argument. In your scenario blacks aren't targeting whites but simply attacking the more affluent. I could argue that white cops aren't shooting blacks intentionally but shooting criminals who the data indicates are likely to be black based on the area being patrolled.
Nailed it. Great post.
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the kid was twelve years old...adn I would almost guarantee that a 12 year old would not "reach into his waistband" to pull a fake gun on an armed cop...thats a police cover up because they fucked up....
don't be naive
Don't be an apologist for the stupidity of someone just because you're from the same race. The cops were called because this genius was waving the gun around and pointing it at people. He removed the orange tip...I would guess...because it made it look more like a real gun. Again...making someone think you have a real gun when you don't is a great way to get shot by someone with a real gun.
When told to freeze by the cops he reached into his waistband for the gun...hell, he might have been trying to show them it was fake. That isn't the point...the point is that he was carrying a weapon that looked real and we has pointing it at people. Dumb move...When told by the cops to stand still he pulled the gun out..dumb move. He's dead because he put himself in great danger by doing stupid and dangerous things
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Not true,...you gotta take some responsibility for what you put out into the community...whether it be guns, drugs, etc,,,
Even McDonalds takes responsibility for making people obese for years with their unhealthy food....
You are a fucking moron. Mcdonalds bears ZERO responsibility and never made anyone fat.
I can eat it daily and be more ripped and bigger than you will ever be if I wanted to. Hope this helps.
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To say that only black people can stop whats going on is noty accurate...I think you were well-intentioned in saying tyhat but whites basically control all institutions of govermment and can't shirk responsibility....but the problem is that whites won't own up to the problem....remember there used to be to NO SUCH thing as police brutality until the Rodney King Video...before it was just something that blacks were making up to get back at police officers.....since then we have seen numerous videos which prove that police brutality is more rampant than we thought...befoire it was "just the believe the policeman's word...he can't possibly be lying"......
by the way...I agree..your brother was brilliant..good job by him
You oughta take a look at Detroit and Chicago and other areas where blacks control the majority of the government and even police force.
Great successes there. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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You are a fucking moron. Mcdonalds bears ZERO responsibility and never made anyone fat.
I can eat it daily and be more ripped and bigger than you will ever be if I wanted to. Hope this helps.
First he somehow thinks all white people have a say in what McDonald does. As if whites have a monthly meeting to determine McDonald's menu. Secondly he wants white people to take responsibility for all kinds things he alleges we put in to the community but when I mentioned all the crime blacks commit against whites he dismisses it all with the wave of his hand as a product of poverty and something he or the criminals themselves should be held responsible for. Notice a trend?
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First he somehow thinks all white people have a say in what McDonald does. As if whites have a monthly meeting to determine McDonald's menu. Secondly he wants white people to take responsibility for all kinds things he alleges we put in to the community but when I mentioned all the crime blacks commit against whites he dismisses it all with the wave of his hand as a product of poverty and something he or the criminals themselves should be held responsible for. Notice a trend?
Its bizarre.
All he has to do is find any city in America that is black controlled-government, police force etc.. and look at the statistics. Usually the town is in complete shambles. I can give him city after city after city after city.
One of my favorites was a town in NC that was a black experiment after the civil rights movement. Soul City. It was supposed to be a black Utopia. They basically just stole all the money from the Federal Government and now its a huge ghost town. The pictures you can find of it are pretty interesting. Its like something you would find on The Walking Dead or other Zombie Apocalypse movie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul_City,_North_Carolina
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/50/Soul_City_entrance.jpg)
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http://www.northcarolinahistory.org/encyclopedia/462/entry/
Soul City was a failed attempt to build a majority black community in the heart of rural North Carolina. Conceived by civil rights leader Floyd B. McKissick, Soul City began with high expectations but ended in disappointment.
Of its 15,810 inhabitants, 6,500 lived below the poverty line; its schools had a dropout rate of 44.7%
Within two to three decades, he expected Soul City to have 50,000 citizens and produce 24,000 jobs. The city would boast elementary schools, man-made lakes, and an “Afro-American trade center.” City planners named streets after African-American heroes: Nat Turner Street, Frederick Douglass Street, Sojourner Truth Trail.
Soul City’s failure did much to discredit McKissick’s black power ideology.
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Its bizarre.
All he has to do is find any city in America that is black controlled-government, police force etc.. and look at the statistics. Usually the town is in complete shambles. I can give him city after city after city after city.
One of my favorites was a town in NC that was a black experiment after the civil rights movement. Soul City. It was supposed to be a black Utopia. They basically just stole all the money from the Federal Government and now its a huge ghost town. The pictures you can find of it are pretty interesting. Its like something you would find on The Walking Dead or other Zombie Apocalypse movie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul_City,_North_Carolina
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/50/Soul_City_entrance.jpg)
Facts don't mean a damn thing. Everything comes down to institutional racism. When I brought up the high rate of black on white crime he dismissed it as a symptom of poverty and not his responsibility. This is what he really means. Institutional racism and the legacy of slavery imposed by whites is responsible for poverty in the black community and poverty causes crime therefore black crime is white peoples fault and thir responsibility to rectify.
I've read about soul city. It's a crazy story
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its filmed in potatoe vision but it shows the kid reaching for the gun in his waistband when the cops pull up
another failure of terrible parenting
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Looks like hes moonwalking. Someone needs to put that video to music. May I suggest Billy Jean by Michael Jackson.
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Haha! Little bicycle thief wanted to get killed. He got his wish.
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Haha! Little bicycle thief wanted to get killed. He got his wish.
Exactly. He probably wasn't all there, but how are the cops to know any of this. Someone points what looks like a gun at you, you shoot them. It's tragic, but it's life.
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You are a fucking moron. Mcdonalds bears ZERO responsibility and never made anyone fat.
I can eat it daily and be more ripped and bigger than you will ever be if I wanted to. Hope this helps.
You know you're wrong in both sentences.
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You know you're wrong in both sentences.
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Explain.
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You know you're wrong in both sentences.
He is right. McDonald's has not made a single person fat. McDonald's does not force anyone to put a cheeseburger and fries into their mouth. The US has become the country of zero personal responsibility. Fat? McDonald's fault. Smoke for 30 years and get cancer? Big Tobacco's fault. Can't support yourself and your kids because you make minimum wage and have no education or human capital? Blame "the 1%".
I like McDonald's and I eat there occasionally, but I also value my health and I know that excessive fast food will make me fat. I take responsibility for my own health and body. I also go the gym four days a week. It isn't the gym that gave me all these muscles, it is what I do at the gym.
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It's a shame to see a young kid not get to live his life.
Still, the reality is that the rest of us now have a fractionally smaller chance of getting mugged someday.
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It's simple, people want recognition for the "good" things, yet wish to be disassociated with "bad" things. ::)
Hence why many people don't take personal responsibility, though in the majority of cases people are just too fucking stupid to figure out causality
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I'm not sure but I'm guessing either black or brown because this case/killing isn't getting any attention.
I heard on the radio that the cop is black
Edit: that is just what I heard.... It might not be accurate
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He is right. McDonald's has not made a single person fat. McDonald's does not force anyone to put a cheeseburger and fries into their mouth. The US has become the country of zero personal responsibility. Fat? McDonald's fault. Smoke for 30 years and get cancer? Big Tobacco's fault. Can't support yourself and your kids because you make minimum wage and have no education or human capital? Blame "the 1%".
I like McDonald's and I eat there occasionally, but I also value my health and I know that excessive fast food will make me fat. I take responsibility for my own health and body. I also go the gym four days a week. It isn't the gym that gave me all these muscles, it is what I do at the gym.
well first of all to the McDonalds point..I agree that Mcdonalds should not be responsible for people being fat...however after a lot of criticism Mcdonalds started to make attempts to have healthier fare like salads, apples, etc....Society and the media were criticizing McDonalds for its high fat content and being a contributor to obesity......
As for the smoking thing, your argument is weak on that....the tobacco companies knew for 50 years that cigarette smoking was addictive and caused cancer......they covered it up.....uncovered memos and the testimony of retired tobacco execs proved that already therefore the cig companies did have some culpability in cancer-related deaths
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First he somehow thinks all white people have a say in what McDonald does. As if whites have a monthly meeting to determine McDonald's menu. Secondly he wants white people to take responsibility for all kinds things he alleges we put in to the community but when I mentioned all the crime blacks commit against whites he dismisses it all with the wave of his hand as a product of poverty and something he or the criminals themselves should be held responsible for. Notice a trend?
I don't know where you got the idea about whites/Mcdonalds...I never said that...you're putting together two different arguments...for what reason, I don't know
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well according to Vince these can be converted into real guns so the cops where totally justified in shooting this criminal, right vince?
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well first of all to the McDonalds point..I agree that Mcdonalds should not be responsible for people being fat...however after a lot of criticism Mcdonalds started to make attempts to have healthier fare like salads, apples, etc....Society and the media were criticizing McDonalds for its high fat content and being a contributor to obesity......
As for the smoking thing, your argument is weak on that....the tobacco companies knew for 50 years that cigarette smoking was addictive and caused cancer......they covered it up.....uncovered memos and the testimony of retired tobacco execs proved that already therefore the cig companies did have some culpability in cancer-related deaths
First of all, Happy Thanksgiving to andre and all my getbig buddies.
Now, McDonald's will offer healthier items if the consumer demands them. If Big Macs outsell salads, then that is because the customer wants more Big Macs.
As for smoking, my argument is strong...again, personal responsibility. How could anyone think that inhaling smoke into their lungs several times a day for years on end would not adversely affect their health?
If you were correct then all the tobacco companies would have gone out of business. It is widely known that cigarettes can be addictive, and it is widely known that smoking can lead to many health problems Yet even knowing that, people still start smoking. Why? Do the evil tobacco companies force someone that never smoked before to start using their dangerous product? Of course not.
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First of all, Happy Thanksgiving to andre and all my getbig buddies.
Now, McDonald's will offer healthier items if the consumer demands them. If Big Macs outsell salads, then that is because the customer wants more Big Macs.
As for smoking, my argument is strong...again, personal responsibility. How could anyone think that inhaling smoke into their lungs several times a day for years on end would not adversely affect their health?
If you were correct then all the tobacco companies would have gone out of business. It is widely known that cigarettes can be addictive, and it is widely known that smoking can lead to many health problems Yet even knowing that, people still start smoking. Why? Do the evil tobacco companies force someone that never smoked before to start using their dangerous product? Of course not.
X2 happy thanksgiving to you schnauzer, andre and all my getbig homeys.
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First of all, Happy Thanksgiving to andre and all my getbig buddies.
Now, McDonald's will offer healthier items if the consumer demands them. If Big Macs outsell salads, then that is because the customer wants more Big Macs.
As for smoking, my argument is strong...again, personal responsibility. How could anyone think that inhaling smoke into their lungs several times a day for years on end would not adversely affect their health?
If you were correct then all the tobacco companies would have gone out of business. It is widely known that cigarettes can be addictive, and it is widely known that smoking can lead to many health problems Yet even knowing that, people still start smoking. Why? Do the evil tobacco companies force someone that never smoked before to start using their dangerous product? Of course not.
Happy Thanksgiving as well.....I hope all you guys destroy a lot turkey today.....
your argument about knowing about the effects of smoking is correct for this day and age...we are much more enlightened about these things....but 30-40-50-60 years ago no one understood the connection.......and thats because THERE WERE NO WARNING LABELS ON CIGARETTE PACKAGES FOR MANY YEARS WARNING OF THE EFECTS OF CIGARETTE SMOKE...
The tobacco companies are in business because
1. the government protects them to a certain extent because smoking generates massive revunue and
2. the tobacco companies admited liability many years ago and created a multi-billion dollar fund to take care of lawsuits
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Someone who hardly drinks water, instead drinking coffee all day or diet soda is shortening their lifespan and risking serious disease later on. I wonder how many times a dehydrated do-gooder has lectured on the effects of smoking/alcohol/eating fast food etc?
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well according to Vince these can be converted into real guns so the cops where totally justified in shooting this criminal, right vince?
ANY shooting of a black person is justified in your mind...I wish you'd stop denying this fact
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ANY shooting of a black person is justified in your mind...I wish you'd stop denying this fact
I was using a fellow blacks logic there, why attack me?
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What does this have to do with bodybuilding anyway?
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ANY shooting of a black person is justified in your mind...I wish you'd stop denying this fact
True.
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yes it sucks....but black kids are always winding up dead in small situations like this....WHY?
Because their parent is raising them to be disrespectful, smart mouth, wanna be gangsta, tough guys that feel like they can get away with whatever they want and anybody that speaks out against it is a racist ???
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stupid fucking kid
nothing more to say about it
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ANY shooting of a black person is justified in your mind...I wish you'd stop denying this fact
We can only hope you get shot one day as well... :-*
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stupid fucking kid
nothing more to say about it
He was 12... I blame his parents
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He was 12... I blame his parents
Fixed for accuracy.
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We can only hope you get shot one day as well... :-*
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So video shows exactly what cop said.. And since cop is black (knew that since it was never mentioned) what do all wanna be rioters say now? Does the truth matter in this case? Cause the truth clearly didn't matter in the Brown case. Is the difference a white cop? You racist lefty pieces of crap?
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What does this have to do with bodybuilding anyway?
Fuck off juicebox.
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He was 12... I blame his grandmama
Fixed for further accuracy
Fixed for accuracy.
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Happy Thanksgiving as well.....I hope all you guys destroy a lot turkey today.....
your argument about knowing about the effects of smoking is correct for this day and age...we are much more enlightened about these things....but 30-40-50-60 years ago no one understood the connection.......and thats because THERE WERE NO WARNING LABELS ON CIGARETTE PACKAGES FOR MANY YEARS WARNING OF THE EFECTS OF CIGARETTE SMOKE...
The tobacco companies are in business because
1. the government protects them to a certain extent because smoking generates massive revunue and
2. the tobacco companies admited liability many years ago and created a multi-billion dollar fund to take care of lawsuits
additionally that industry is known to have been pioneers in marketing. A fellow named edward bernays who was a respected liberal intellectual developed the techniques that allowed them to sell tobacco to educated women and so on. You have to accept that a lot of effort goes into undermining rational decision making amongst consumers.
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additionally that industry is known to have been pioneers in marketing. A fellow named edward bernays who was a respected liberal intellectual developed the techniques that allowed them to sell tobacco to educated women and so on. You have to accept that a lot of effort goes into undermining rational decision making amongst consumers.
good point
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additionally that industry is known to have been pioneers in marketing. A fellow named edward bernays who was a respected liberal intellectual developed the techniques that allowed them to sell tobacco to educated women and so on. You have to accept that a lot of effort goes into undermining rational decision making amongst consumers.
Yet the choice is still with the consumers. So long as products are not literatelly stuffed down people's throats and other substitutions are readily available, you can't say people are being forced into anything. Yes, a lot of research has gone and is still ongoing into marketing, to the point where they figured out the ideal bpm music should have in supermarkets so that people walk slower yet not too slow to keep browsing. But the point remains, people are free to choose what they consume.
If people decide to ignore or research the negative effects of their diet/lifestyle that is their liability.
That being said, every parent who has a fat child should be killed via lethal injection.
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True.
It would be hilarious if one of your young family members end up dead.
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It would be hilarious if one of your young family members end up dead.
Statistically - the far higher likelihood is that you will rob a store, do crack, kill or be killed by one of Obama's sons, end up on welfare, etc.