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Cant wait for the protests!! Go Steelers
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I hope he gets killed.
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Maybe he'll get killed in the "DOG POUND" ;D
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McNabb is probably like "what the fuck" when he only has two years left on his contract
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woah..that offense is gonna be so silly now...way too much speed. Jackson, Macklin, westbrook, mccoy, vick ...its gonna be silly
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2125514336431717180&ei=MbeESsfrOo6GqQPb4KGnDA&q=off+the+chain&hl=en
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Go EAGLES!!!
I'm buying my Vick shirt ASAP.
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2125514336431717180&ei=MbeESsfrOo6GqQPb4KGnDA&q=off+the+chain&hl=en
put up an abortion video for patino while youre at it.
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I would hate to be Vick when he first comes out of the tunnel for the first game. Does anybody know how much Philly is giving him?
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put up an abortion video for patino while youre at it.
go tell your people to stop abusing dogs in oakland.
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Good, now mcNabb cant us ethe race card when his ass gets benched
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Go EAGLES!!!
I'm buying my Vick shirt ASAP.
x's 2...Even though I'm a Chargers fan ;)
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x's 2...Even though I'm a Chargers fan ;)
what color are you?
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people think he paid his due to society and that sounds all swell and good, however, he is a sociopath, sociopaths cannot be rehabilitated...it is only a matter of time before his illness stikes again.
And remember this man did not just gamble on dog fights, he tortured animals by electrocution, burning and starvation. He put lost family dogs in the same ring with pyschotic drugged up pitt bulls to be mauled to death.
Once a sociopath always a sociopath. Sorry but true.
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what color are you?
Take a wild guess...
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people think he paid his due to society and that sounds all swell and good, however, he is a sociopath, sociopaths cannot be rehabilitated...it is only a matter of time before his illness stikes again.
And remember this man did not just gamble on dog fights, he tortured animals by electrocution, burning and starvation. He put lost family dogs in the same ring with pyschotic drugged up pitt bulls to be mauled to death.
Once a sociopath always a sociopath. Sorry but true.
Exactly. He has exhibited actions consistent with sociopathic behavior.
He knowingly gave a woman herpes.
Murdered dogs for monetary gain.
would not have stopped had he not been caught.
its only a matter of time.
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SON OF A BITCH! >:(
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Good for Vick! :)
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woah..that offense is gonna be so silly now...way too much speed. Jackson, Macklin, westbrook, mccoy, vick ...its gonna be silly
mccoy looked like shit in tonights game
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Exactly. He has exhibited actions consistent with sociopathic behavior.
He knowingly gave a woman herpes.
Murdered dogs for monetary gain.
would not have stopped had he not been caught.
its only a matter of time.
Don't you know it's not his fault - it's all part of his "culture" ::)
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McNabb is probably like "what the fuck" when he only has two years left on his contract
Not according to ESPN, which quoted McNabb as saying that he lobbied to get Vick to the Eagles. He says it's no threat to him; it simply adds another weapon to the arsenal.
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Not according to ESPN, which quoted McNabb as saying that he lobbied to get Vick to the Eagles. He says it's no threat to him; it simply adds another weapon to the arsenal.
Oh yes, there will be magic happening in Philly this year. 8)
(http://www.itchmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/mcnabbvick.jpg)
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Cant wait for the protests!! Go Steelers
every one loves a winner..
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I may have to go back to being an Eagles fan. The offense is going to be deadlier than a pitbull in a bathtub.
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Not according to ESPN, which quoted McNabb as saying that he lobbied to get Vick to the Eagles. He says it's no threat to him; it simply adds another weapon to the arsenal.
black logic is awesome to laugh at. do you think tom brady or peytom manning were lobbying for this piece of garbage? what a joke. at least andy reid's kids now have someone to get high with. ;D
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it's a perfect fit, they love thugs in philly
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Good for him. can't begrudge a man a job in this economy
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Philadelphia bEagles.
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I hope he gets killed.
Agreed.
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overkill! he f##ked up. i can only imagine the BS behind usernames on this site.
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Exactly. He has exhibited actions consistent with sociopathic behavior.
He knowingly gave a woman herpes.
Murdered dogs for monetary gain.
would not have stopped had he not been caught.
its only a matter of time.
Umm... are you ever going to get over this? The man did his time so leave him alone and let karma deal with it if that's what it comes to. That's how our justice system works-like it or not.
Why kill a fly with a swatter?
Why kill a roach with bugspray?
Why eat fish?
Why eat meat?
Why eat any animal?
Your the same way Vick is sorry to break it to you.
Who cares if he fought dogs? Should his whole life be taken away? He did his time he has no more debt to society. Get over it. It's not affecting you one bit
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Umm... are you ever going to get over this? The man did his time so leave him alone and let karma deal with it if that's what it comes to. That's how our justice system works-like it or not.
Why kill a fly with a swatter?
Why kill a roach with bugspray?
Why eat fish?
Why eat meat?
Why eat any animal?
Your the same way Vick is sorry to break it to you.
Who cares if he fought dogs? Should his whole life be taken away? He did his time he has no more debt to society. Get over it. It's not affecting you one bit
Retarded logic, "big man" ::)
I eat meat, yet i don't go to a farm and torture the cows. I don't electrocute them, i don't drown them in buckets of water.
99% of the animals that we eat are slaughtered humanely and they are purposely breed for consumption.
We don't eat dogs. Dogs aren't breed for consumption. He didn't kill them humanely at all.
So no, "big man", i am not, in any way shape or form, "the same way as vick" ::)
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Retarded logic, "big man" ::)
I eat meat, yet i don't go to a farm and torture the cows. I don't electrocute them, i don't drown them in buckets of water.
99% of the animals that we eat are slaughtered humanely and they are purposely breed for consumption.
We don't eat dogs. Dogs aren't breed for consumption. He didn't kill them humanely at all.
So no, "big man", i am not, in any way shape or form, "the same way as vick" ::)
Oh, cause you don't do it it makes it ok? Humanely? So it's humanely for us to breed animals for consumption but not humanely for Vick to make money off fighting dogs? I guess chicken fights are ok too right? Look at it how you want
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Swing the savage from a tree doggg
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Oh, cause you don't do it it makes it ok? Humanely? So it's humanely for us to breed animals for consumption but not humanely for Vick to make money off fighting dogs? I guess chicken fights are ok too right? Look at it how you want
Yes, it is humane for us to breed cattle for the sole purpose of human consumption. Fact of the matter is 90% of people eat meat.........though last time i checked, established countries such as America, Australia etc don't eat dog.
If you really think that torturing dogs (key word there champ.......torturing) is on par with cattle being humanely slaughtered for human consumptiom, then you are a fucking idiot.
Oh and i just re read your post, i take it you do not understand the term "humanely"..........as you are using it completely in the wrong context.
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Yes, it is humane for us to breed cattle for the sole purpose of human consumption. Fact of the matter is 90% of people eat meat.........though last time i checked, established countries such as America, Australia etc don't eat dog.
If you really think that torturing dogs (key word there champ.......torturing) is on par with cattle being humanely slaughtered for human consumptiom, then you are a fucking idiot.
Oh and i just re read your post, i take it you do not understand the term "humanely"..........as you are using it completely in the wrong context.
Go Vick!!!! How's that? 8)
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Go Vick!!!! How's that? 8)
You conceded defeat...........good for you. 8)
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Anyone order that green Ron Mexico jersey yet?
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You conceded defeat...........good for you. 8)
Vick has already beatin you ;D Go Vick!
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You conceded defeat...........good for you. 8)
after watching this back and forth thing...i'm surprise u didnt write..."owned". that seems to be the big thing on here when it makes no sense.
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after watching this back and forth thing...i'm surprise u didnt write..."owned". that seems to be the big thing on here when it makes no sense.
Better yet, i could have one step further and said "pwned" ;D
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Not condoning dog fighting, but Vick was undoubtedly made an example out of. He's America's worst nightmare..young, black, thuggish ties, and....a "role model" for many kids!!!
Middle class American parents are teh one's with their panties in a wod because they're too lazy to compete with teh M. Vick's of teh world. That's just pathetic ass parenting. They've allowed their children to idolize a fucking athlete as their main source of role-modeling....it's too late parents! You fucked up!
Vick just pwned every PETA member, animal rights activist, irresponsible parent, nae-sayer with pure talent. His talent will pay him more $$ in 1 year than these fools will make in a lifetime :-\ Vick will have the last laugh...irresponsible parents will continue to reproduce and allow/encourage their snotty ass kids to idolize someone who they don't even know....haha, like Sir Charles Barkely shouted, "I am not a role model", "Parents should be role models"......they won't recover.
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Umm... are you ever going to get over this? The man did his time so leave him alone and let karma deal with it if that's what it comes to. That's how our justice system works-like it or not.
Why kill a fly with a swatter?
Why kill a roach with bugspray?
Why eat fish?
Why eat meat?
Why eat any animal?
Your the same way Vick is sorry to break it to you.
Who cares if he fought dogs? Should his whole life be taken away? He did his time he has no more debt to society. Get over it. It's not affecting you one bit
big man do you feel a certain kinship with vick?
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Does anybody know how much Philly is giving him?
1.6 million one year deal with option for a second is what I read.
I hope he gets knocked the fuck out and put out of the game for good while the crowd cheers. Disgusting human being who does not deserve to be in the NFL and having kids cheer and look up to him ever again. He deserves a second chance in life but not in football and being a millionaire.
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1.6 million one year deal with option for a second is what I read.
I hope he gets knocked the fuck out and put out of the game for good while the crowd cheers. Disgusting human being who does not deserve to be in the NFL and having kids cheer and look up to him ever again. He deserves a second chance in life but not in football and being a millionaire.
WHY...Because myt1 said so...., who the shit are you..if there is a market, pay him..unless you are a commie...if not
Shut the fuck up
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not surprised.
Only in the NFL!
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WHY...Because myt1 said so...., who the shit are you..if there is a market, pay him..unless you are a commie...if not
Shut the fuck up
Oh, I guess I'll do that cuz Big_mal says so ::)
Why do feel he is entitled to play again?
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Eagles press conference on ESPN right now
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Oh, cause you don't do it it makes it ok? Humanely? So it's humanely for us to breed animals for consumption but not humanely for Vick to make money off fighting dogs? I guess chicken fights are ok too right? Look at it how you want
So it's okay to murder animals that are considered house pets in this country? To call it black culture is stupid. Nobody is saying take his whole life away but he shouldn't be able to play football anymore. Piece of crap just like many in the NFL. Normal people don't get to bounce back into their jobs like this so why should this uneducated sociopath get a pass?
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Killing dogs cost the guy 2 years of his life and 100 million bucks.
Lots of NFL guys have done far worse and lost far less.
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Killing dogs cost the guy 2 years of his life and 100 million bucks.
Lots of NFL guys have done far worse and lost far less.
Maybe they will think twice now that they see Vick lost a lot of money. Although I guess it doesn't matter much. These idiots always waste their money anyways.
It will be interesting to see how many years Plaxico gets; loser.
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black logic is awesome to laugh at. do you think tom brady or peytom manning were lobbying for this piece of garbage? what a joke. at least andy reid's kids now have someone to get high with. ;D
Do you know how STUPID you sound with statement? Or did it occur to you that the HEAD COACH and the OWNER of the Phliadelphia Eagles are both white?
Explain the "black logic" there!! ::)
Not to mention that Brady’s head coach, Bill Belichek, considered picking up Michael Vick. Then’s, there that black former head coach of Manning, Tony Dungy, without whom Manning wouldn’t have that nice Super Bowl ring.
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simple fact: Mike Vick is a great athlete. Because of this, he will have teh last laugh. That's our society/culture. Some of you find this to be a nightmare. Period.
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Oh, I guess I'll do that cuz Big_mal says so ::)
Why do feel he is entitled to play again?
BECAUSE SOMEONE WANTS TO PAY HIM 1.5 MILLION TO DO SO...This is America...if there is a market and a product...its a go...
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Killing dogs cost the guy 2 years of his life and 100 million bucks.
Lots of NFL guys have done far worse and lost far less.
The man is a canine mass murderer. 18 months and some money is punishment enough?
Who in the NFL has done worse? In the Stallworth case he made the poor decision of getting into his car after having a few drinks. Comparing that to someone who has fought, tortured, and executed innocent dogs for years is really asinine.
This would have been a more fitting punishment for Vick.......
http://hsus.org/acf/news/dogfighter_gets_102_year_sentence.html
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people think he paid his due to society and that sounds all swell and good, however, he is a sociopath, sociopaths cannot be rehabilitated...it is only a matter of time before his illness stikes again.
And remember this man did not just gamble on dog fights, he tortured animals by electrocution, burning and starvation. He put lost family dogs in the same ring with pyschotic drugged up pitt bulls to be mauled to death.
Once a sociopath always a sociopath. Sorry but true.
Wow man. You're the only one who gets it on here. Kudos bro. No one fucking understands what it really is all about. Look at his brother. Same type of behavior. These dudes are wired for this shit. I don't give a fuck if he is allowed to play football. Fact is he's a psychopath and is probably either is already assuming the lifestyle again or never quit because shit, nikkas dont just stop hustlin cause they in the pen!
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i love how they are saying "he's a changed man, truly remorseful" ::)
he's remorseful about losing 100 million dollars
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i love how they are saying "he's a changed man, truly remorseful" ::)
he's remorseful about losing 100 million dollars
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I look at it this way. If he had never been caught, would he still be doing it? Of course he would. Most people know that killing and torturing dogs is wrong, so they don't. You have to be truly fucked in the head to blame "culture". He'll be a bust. Missing all that time did him in. He's through.
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WTF? Eagles already have a great QB
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I look at it this way. If he had never been caught, would he still be doing it? Of course he would. Most people know that killing and torturing dogs is wrong, so they don't. You have to be truly fucked in the head to blame "culture". He'll be a bust. Missing all that time did him in. He's through.
Good point.
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Obsessed Sports Fans/Idol Worshipers/Star Struck Types vs PETA Supporters/Disgruntled with Athlete Salary Types/Never Fc'ed Up in my Life since I can hidebehind my username
That pretty much sums this thread up! A lot Asians, Dominicans and Ricans should be in jail with Vick because dogs do poorly in their cultures.
Divcom - really dont give a s$$t one way or another since i've never owned one and Vick and his bro could give a s##t if i took my last breathe this morning.
Tchau!
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He deserves a second chance in life but not in football and being a millionaire.
You might be right... but.
Football happens to be his job. Do you say to a steel worker that : Ok, you did your time. Now get a job, a new line of job. Ok, his job pays better but why didn't Eagles offer the league minimum? Because some other team would have topped that.
Football, and stardom, is the only reason we are here arguing about it.
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You might be right... but.
Football happens to be his job. Do you say to a steel worker that : Ok, you did your time. Now get a job, a new line of job. Ok, his job pays better but why didn't Eagles offer the league minimum? Because some other team would have topped that.
Football, and stardom, is the only reason we are here arguing about it.
He has a right to go out and work but it should not be in the NFL. Playing in the league and everything that goes along with it is a privilege not a right.
Let him take his bitch ass to the arena football or one of those other leagues.
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I wish WE had him instead of KITNA!!!!!!!!!! :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
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theres far worse crimes being committed against humans on a daily basis.All these people that say they hope he dies have mental issues.theres humans being tortured,kids molested,grandmas robbed yet everyones up in arms over this.give me a fuckin break.
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simple fact: Mike Vick is a great athlete. Because of this, he will have teh last laugh. That's our society/culture. Some of you find this to be a nightmare. Period.
Why does he have to have the last laugh. I don't think anyone is laughing here. I think it's ridiculous to take away a man's lively hood because he made a mistake. Criminals go to jail all the time and no, the state or govt. doesn't put restrictions on their line of work when they come out. Unless their crime has some kind of direct correlation to their line of work (Child molester/teacher) it is unheard of for this type of restriction to be placed on an individual. I'm not saying criminals can get out of jail and run straight back to work, I'm just saying that it should not be prohibited or blocked. If someone is willing to put them to work then let them work and earn an honest living. This doesn't seem like a puzzle. I don't understand what the big issue is. It's ok for Vic to work a construction job and help build your house but it's not ok for him to run a touchdown on tv for the Eagles. Some of you guys on here have some serious issues and need to seek some professional help. IMHO!
Pat
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...It's ok for Vic to work a construction job and help build your house but it's not ok for him to run a touchdown on tv for the Eagles...
Pat
My point exactly!
And if he was a construction worker to begin with, nobody would care. Neither about the crime nor the punishment.
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I look at it this way. If he had never been caught, would he still be doing it? Of course he would. Most people know that killing and torturing dogs is wrong, so they don't. You have to be truly fucked in the head to blame "culture". He'll be a bust. Missing all that time did him in. He's through.
I only saw part of the press conference today butI think Vick said before he got caught he realized what he was doing was wrong and was planning to get out of it ::)
Now I may have mis-heard because I was doing cardio...maybe someone has the transcript
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I only saw part of the press conference today butI think Vick said before he got caught he realized what he was doing was wrong and was planning to get out of it ::)
Now I may have mis-heard because I was doing cardio...maybe someone has the transcript
That' part of my point i guess. Most people "realize" torturing and killing is wrong when they are what, 2-3 years old?
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That' part of my point i guess. Most people "realize" torturing and killing is wrong when they are what, 2-3 years old?
No doubt!
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My point exactly!
And if he was a construction worker to begin with, nobody would care. Neither about the crime nor the punishment.
You hit the nail on the head with that one.
Pat
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My point exactly!
And if he was a construction worker to begin with, nobody would care. Neither about the crime nor the punishment.
biggity biggity boom....no way he gets 23 months if he was michael vick the claims adjuster from cleveland
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cool cant wait to see him back on the feild, nfl is sorely lacking athletic talent these days
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WHY...Because myt1 said so...., who the shit are you..if there is a market, pay him..unless you are a commie...if not
Shut the fuck up
Classic American attitude ::)
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theres far worse crimes being committed against humans on a daily basis.All these people that say they hope he dies have mental issues.theres humans being tortured,kids molested,grandmas robbed yet everyones up in arms over this.give me a fuckin break.
Agreed
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Classic American attitude ::)
How about this American Attitude..
FUCK YOU
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How about this American Attitude..
FUCK YOU
haha, malcolm X bringing the pain!
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The Eagles have some serious speed at WR and have the potential for an explosive offense. Deshean, Maclin, Curtis at WR and McCoy will be a beast at RB.
It will be interesting to see how Andy Reid plans on utilizing him. He's no threat to take over the starting QB job over Mcnabb, though. But I wonder if he can still compete at the highest level. Being two years away from the NFL is detrimental at the QB poistion.
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Hey, upinthemguts.....what are your thoughts on Flacco vs. Smith? Is there going to be any QB controversy? I don't think so, but a friend of mine who is a huge Ravens fan says that "all the Ravens fans think so."
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Hey, upinthemguts.....what are your thoughts on Flacco vs. Smith? Is there going to be any QB controversy? I don't think so, but a friend of mine who is a huge Ravens fan says that "all the Ravens fans think so."
Absolutely no controversy whatsoever. The starting QB position is Flacco's unless he gets injured. Flacco has all the tools to be an excellent QB in this league. He has an absolute bazooka for a throwing arm. His downfield accuracy is also very good. He will be a monster in a couple of years if the Ravens can commit to giving him a downfield target who can stretch the field.
I like Troy's athletic ability. He's a got a strong arm but lacks ideal height. He needs to scramble outside of the pocket on roll-outs in order to see the whole field(there are rumors that he's shorter than 6 foot). However, Flacco is 6'6" and stands tall in the pocket. Flacco can also scramble to avoid the rush if needs to do. He ran for a 38 yeard touchdown in the opening game last season. He's got some wheels and is a good athlete.
Troy Smith is in the last year of his contract and last year as a Raven. He wants to start but I don't think he has what most NFL teams are looking for as a starting QB. He usually provides a spark on offense but only in a reserved, off the bench role. Defenses would have a tough time adjusting to his scrambling ability if he suddenly came into the game off the bench. But give any NFL opponent an entire week to gameplan a QB with Smith's attributes and he wouldn't be nearly as effective.
Flacco is the man in Baltimore. Unchallenged as the starter.
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Absolutely no controversy whatsoever. The starting QB position is Flacco's. This guy has all the tools to be an excellent QB in this league. Flacco has an absolute bazooka for a throwing arm. His downfield accuracy is very good as well.
I like Troy's athletic ability. He's a got a strong arm, too but lacks ideal height. He needs to scramble outside of the pocket on roll-outs in order to see the whole field. Flacco is 6'6" and stands tall in the pocket.
Smith is in the last year of his contract and last year as a Raven. I wants to start but I don't think he has what most NFL teams are looking for as a starting QB. He usually provides a spark on offense but only in a reserved, off the bench role. Defenses would have a tough time adjusting to his scrambling ability if he suddenly came into the game off the bench. But give any NFL opponent an entire week to gameplan a QB with Smith's attributes and he wouldn't nearly be as effective.
Flacco is the man Baltimore.
good, that is what I thought but my friend just kept insisting, like it was an "in the know" thing in Baltimore....he's full of shit....
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Hey, upinthemguts.....what are your thoughts on Flacco vs. Smith? Is there going to be any QB controversy? I don't think so, but a friend of mine who is a huge Ravens fan says that "all the Ravens fans think so."
I would always take flacco over smith...but that guy smith is dope...did you see that pass he threw on that 9 route vs the cover 2 between the corner and safety...man that was nice...talk about frozen rope
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I would always take flacco over smith...but that guy smith is dope...did you see that pass he threw on that 9 route vs the cover 2 between the corner and safety...man that was nice...talk about frozen rope
Smith has some good skills, no doubt. But I just don't think he has all the intangibles to be a successful, starting QB in the NFL. I would't mind having him back in 2010 but I doubt he would sign a new contract as the backup to Flacco.
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Dixon on Pitts was throwing some darts last night too.....literally....he has the the throwing motion like he's tossing darts, but he can bring it....accurate too.
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Dixon on Pitts was throwing some darts last night too.....literally....he has the the throwing motion like he's tossing darts, but he can bring it....accurate too.
Remember he was a heisman candidate before he broke his leg..he was dope at oregon
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Remember he was a heisman candidate before he broke his leg..he was dope at oregon
Yep, he looked really good last night....moves well in the pocket, speed outside it and a very good arm.
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theres far worse crimes being committed against humans on a daily basis.All these people that say they hope he dies have mental issues.theres humans being tortured,kids molested,grandmas robbed yet everyones up in arms over this.give me a fuckin break.
and when did anybody say they approve of these criminal acts "genius" ::)
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Why does he have to have the last laugh. I don't think anyone is laughing here. I think it's ridiculous to take away a man's lively hood because he made a mistake. Criminals go to jail all the time and no, the state or govt. doesn't put restrictions on their line of work when they come out. Unless their crime has some kind of direct correlation to their line of work (Child molester/teacher) it is unheard of for this type of restriction to be placed on an individual. I'm not saying criminals can get out of jail and run straight back to work, I'm just saying that it should not be prohibited or blocked. If someone is willing to put them to work then let them work and earn an honest living. This doesn't seem like a puzzle. I don't understand what the big issue is. It's ok for Vic to work a construction job and help build your house but it's not ok for him to run a touchdown on tv for the Eagles. Some of you guys on here have some serious issues and need to seek some professional help. IMHO!
Pat
Hey "Turner", I agree totally with you. Check out my post on page 2....Vick is a free man. He should be able to open a veteranarian clinic if he wants to! Prob would'nt do too well, but, you get my point :)
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I may have to go back to being an Eagles fan. The offense is going to be deadlier than a pitbull in a bathtub.
But the defense is ez pickens for Romo and Co. Not a safety or corner to fear!!!!!
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I think the problem here is MC NABB already has a fragile ego in Phillly so now when the fans {which are the worst,sorry} get on him he's gonna choke and Vick will be in. Remember last year he got benched and he wasnt even hurt. Maybe they're tryin to light a fire under MC NABB's ass....
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"The most popular guy in town is always teh backup QB"
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theres far worse crimes being committed against humans on a daily basis.All these people that say they hope he dies have mental issues.theres humans being tortured,kids molested,grandmas robbed yet everyones up in arms over this.give me a fuckin break.
sounds like your defending him...I love these people who are so offended when people care about animals, as if that is taking away something from humans. hardly. It is only advancing the human species. our ability to express compassion outside of our immediate family is an evolutionary mistake but a mistake that makes life worth living.
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I'm betting Philly fans are chanting "We want Vick" by late october/early november.
He was the fastest man in football before he left - and that is when he had to concentrate on passing. if his only job is to get the ball and just run like hell for 10 yards, I'm betting he breaks a lot of them for 30 or 40 yards. He used to be one of the best runners in the game when all he did was practice throwing and learning receiver routes. Imagine if his only job is to learn to run with the ball and occasionally throw on a trick play.
Of course, there are going to be 11 guys on the other side of the ball looking to demolish him, and RB is one seriously exposed position. I'm guessing he's "held up" on more than a few plays so guys can pile on. Then again, he does seem to have the support of many guys around the league.
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I grew up in teh south and over half my HS was hood black. Dog fighting is very big amongst blacks in teh south. The majority are involved. Weekly dog fighting busts were the norm...no big deal in that culture....just sayin
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I grew up in teh south and over half my HS was hood black. Dog fighting is very big amongst blacks in teh south. The majority are involved. Weekly dog fighting busts were the norm...no big deal in that culture....just sayin
I said that and was a called a racist... Oh well... Join the club.
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I said that and was a called a racist... Oh well... Join the club.
Racist
;D
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I grew up in teh south and over half my HS was hood black. Dog fighting is very big amongst blacks in teh south. The majority are involved. Weekly dog fighting busts were the norm...no big deal in that culture....just sayin
sounds like brainwashing or true ignorance or something worse like dumbfucks that need to make shit run downhill.
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I grew up in teh south and over half my HS was hood black. Dog fighting is very big amongst blacks in teh south. The majority are involved. Weekly dog fighting busts were the norm...no big deal in that culture....just sayin
Their "culture" needs to change. I see another disturbing aspect of their "culture" in general all too often as well - the act of so many of them defending anything and everything done by the bad apples amongst their own with any and every lame excuse you could imagine.
When most people hear of such horrific acts committed, they think of the person doing such acts as evil, antisocial, etc without even considering race or ethnicity. The one notable exception I see again and again is in the black community when it is one of their own.
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What a surprise, everyone here who thinks Vick should "hang from a tree", or "never be allowed to play again" is WHITE.
Getbig never changes.
....all of this because he mistreated dogs??
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What a surprise, everyone here who thinks Vick should "hang from a tree", or "never be allowed to play again" is WHITE.
Getbig never changes.
....all of this because he mistreated dogs??
If it was a white "celeb" (which hey in reality thats never gona happen) the backlash would be just as bad if not worse , pull your head out your ass you ignorant choclate shithead...
For some reason alot of negros still have a savage mentality , why is this?
And it wasnt just mistreating dogs bozo it was disgusting behaviour that should IMO be given back to this grotty animal just as he delt it out to the Dogs.
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Good for him. I hope he's able to get his act together.
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I blame the media for Vick being allowed anywhere near an NFL field...Esp/ESPN(they have been in the tank for him since day 1--Anything for ratings)...Not to mention these asshole owners who all own many business's outside of football wouldn't even think about hiring a convicted Felon for any of their non-sports positions...This is the type of hypocrisy that needs to be brought to the table...
They keep talking about 2nd chances...Where are the 2nd chances for the black community who are riddled with felony convictions but can't get by a job application without being asked if they are a convicted felon?...These negro's should storm the streets and demand that job applications not be aloud to ask such things...
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Lol, if your convicted felon has skills as marketable as Vick's, there's always a job for them.
This is america. Land of the second chance. Love it. Love it. Love it.
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Good for him. I hope he's able to get his act together.
I bet he gets busted for simple possession of weed before he even gets to play in a real game...
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I bet he gets busted for simple possession of weed before he even gets to play in a real game...
Could be :-\ It's going to be hard for him to change the habits of a lifetime
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Could be :-\ It's going to be hard for him to change the habits of a lifetime
Although he will be protected every where he goes, there has to be some group out there wanting to bring him down...All it would take is a crooked(dog loving) cop to plant a bowl and a dime bag on him at a traffic stop...
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Although he will be protected every where he goes, there has to be some group out there wanting to bring him down...All it would take is a crooked(dog loving) cop to plant a bowl and a dime bag on him at a traffic stop...
More likely it will be one of his "boys"
I suspect most cops would like to see him succeed and not be a pain in their ass
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theres far worse crimes being committed against humans on a daily basis.All these people that say they hope he dies have mental issues.theres humans being tortured,kids molested,grandmas robbed yet everyones up in arms over this.give me a break.
I agree! Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning what he did, but it seems like the powers to be, would take note of the astronomically more important points mentioned in BLD's post.
GC/DEA_AGENT
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I blame the media for Vick being allowed anywhere near an NFL field...Esp/ESPN(they have been in the tank for him since day 1--Anything for ratings)...Not to mention these asshole owners who all own many business's outside of football wouldn't even think about hiring a convicted Felon for any of their non-sports positions...This is the type of hypocrisy that needs to be brought to the table...
They keep talking about 2nd chances...Where are the 2nd chances for the black community who are riddled with felony convictions but can't get by a job application without being asked if they are a convicted felon?...These negro's should storm the streets and demand that job applications not be aloud to ask such things...
Good point!
GC/DEA_AGENT
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I blame the media for Vick being allowed anywhere near an NFL field...Esp/ESPN(they have been in the tank for him since day 1--Anything for ratings)...Not to mention these asshole owners who all own many business's outside of football wouldn't even think about hiring a convicted Felon for any of their non-sports positions...This is the type of hypocrisy that needs to be brought to the table...
They keep talking about 2nd chances...Where are the 2nd chances for the black community who are riddled with felony convictions but can't get by a job application without being asked if they are a convicted felon?...These negro's should storm the streets and demand that job applications not be aloud to ask such things...
regarding the second paragraph OH BROTHER
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What a surprise, everyone here who thinks Vick should "hang from a tree", or "never be allowed to play again" is WHITE.
Getbig never changes.
....all of this because he mistreated dogs??
Just look at a couple of other notorious examples:
1) Jeffrey Dahmer - he mostly (not exclusively) preyed on black and immigrant homosexuals. When the story broke, all I saw from just about everyone black, white, gay, straight, foreign, etc was horror, shock, and outrage. I saw this in the national media and also among hundreds of people I know and came across in real life. Of all these people, I knew exactly ONE nutty old white cracker who dismissed Dahmers acts by saying "oh well, he mainly killed blacks, gays, foreigners, whatnot - no biggie". This was one person out of hundreds, if not thousands.
2) Look at OJ Simpson - blacks cheering in the streets when he was acquitted for a horrible crime he obviously committed - just look at the evidence. I even had one genius tell me that IF OJ did it, it was justified because of slavery (which of course white men only are to blame, right? ::)). You can guess which ethnicity he belongs to.
Shrinks will tell you that one who tortures and senselessly kills domestic animals that most people view as pets is quite likely to move on to torturing and killing humans at some point. Of course history has proven that some of those people will be shamlessly defended by their own no matter what.
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Just look at a couple of other notorious examples:
1) Jeffrey Dahmer - he mostly (not exclusively) preyed on black and immigrant homosexuals. When the story broke, all I saw from just about everyone black, white, gay, straight, foreign, etc was horror, shock, and outrage. I saw this in the national media and also among hundreds of people I know and came across in real life. Of all these people, I knew exactly ONE nutty old white cracker who dismissed Dahmers acts by saying "oh well, he mainly killed blacks, gays, foreigners, whatnot - no biggie". This was one person out of hundreds, if not thousands.
2) Look at OJ Simpson - blacks cheering in the streets when he was acquitted for a horrible crime he obviously committed - just look at the evidence. I even had one genius tell me that IF OJ did it, it was justified because of slavery (which of course white men only are to blame, right? ::)). You can guess which ethnicity he belongs to.
Shrinks will tell you that one who tortures and senselessly kills domestic animals that most people view as pets is quite likely to move on to torturing and killing humans at some point. Of course history has proven that some of those people will be shamlessly defended by their own no matter what.
The origional OJ investigation and trial was so fucked up (excuse my French) that it should have been thrown out long before it even came to the point of black folks cheering in the streets. I was a Police officer at that time and all I could do is shake my head when the details of that investigation came out. They should have booted that shit out and saved us all a lot of drama. (Regardless of the guilt or innocence of OJ)
Pat
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overkill! he f##ked up. i can only imagine the BS behind usernames on this site.
He did not f##k up ::) As nycbull said; he's a sociopath and he's not going to change. He's no better than stuff I've scraped off the bottom of my shoe >:(
people think he paid his due to society and that sounds all swell and good, however, he is a sociopath, sociopaths cannot be rehabilitated...it is only a matter of time before his illness stikes again.
And remember this man did not just gamble on dog fights, he tortured animals by electrocution, burning and starvation. He put lost family dogs in the same ring with pyschotic drugged up pitt bulls to be mauled to death.
Once a sociopath always a sociopath. Sorry but true.
Profile of the Sociopath
This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.
• Glibness and Superficial Charm
• Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
• Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
• Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
• Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
• Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
• Incapacity for Love
• Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
• Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
• Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.
• Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
• Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
• Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.
• Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.
• Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.
Other Related Qualities:
1. Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
2. Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
3. Authoritarian
4. Secretive
5. Paranoid
6. Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
7. Conventional appearance
8. Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
9. Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
10. Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
11. Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
12. Incapable of real human attachment to another
13. Unable to feel remorse or guilt
14. Extreme narcissism and grandiose
15. May state readily that their goal is to rule the world
(The above traits are based on the psychopathy checklists of H. Cleckley and R. Hare.)
NOTE: In the 1830's this disorder was called "moral insanity." By 1900 it was changed to "psychopathic personality." More recently it has been termed "antisocial personality disorder" in the DSM-III and DSM-IV. Some critics have complained that, in the attempt to rely only on 'objective' criteria, the DSM has broadened the concept to include too many individuals. The APD category includes people who commit illegal, immoral or self-serving acts for a variety of reasons and are not necessarily psychopaths.
Antisocial Personality Disorder Overview (Written by Derek Wood, RN, BSN, PhD Candidate)
Antisocial Personality Disorder results in what is commonly known as a Sociopath. The criteria for this disorder require an ongoing disregard for the rights of others, since the age of 15 years. Some examples of this disregard are reckless disregard for the safety of themselves or others, failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors, deceitfulness such as repeated lying or deceit for personal profit or pleasure, and lack of remorse for actions that hurt other people in any way. Additionally, they must have evidenced a Conduct Disorder before the age of 15 years, and must be at least 18 years old to receive this diagnosis.
People with this disorder appear to be charming at times, and make relationships, but to them, these are relationships in name only. They are ended whenever necessary or when it suits them, and the relationships are without depth or meaning, including marriages. They seem to have an innate ability to find the weakness in people, and are ready to use these weaknesses to their own ends through deceit, manipulation, or intimidation, and gain pleasure from doing so.
They appear to be incapable of any true emotions, from love to shame to guilt. They are quick to anger, but just as quick to let it go, without holding grudges. No matter what emotion they state they have, it has no bearing on their future actions or attitudes.
They rarely are able to have jobs that last for any length of time, as they become easily bored, instead needing constant change. They live for the moment, forgetting the past, and not planning the future, not thinking ahead what consequences their actions will have. They want immediate rewards and gratification. There currently is no form of psychotherapy that works with those with antisocial personality disorder, as those with this disorder have no desire to change themselves, which is a prerequisite. No medication is available either. The only treatment is the prevention of the disorder in the early stages, when a child first begins to show the symptoms of conduct disorder.
THE PSYCHOPATH NEXT DOOR (Source: http://chericola57.tripod.com/infinite.html)
Psychopath. We hear the word and images of Bernardo, Manson and Dahmer pop into our heads; no doubt Ted Bundy too. But they're the bottom of the barrel -- most of the two million psychopaths in North America aren't murderers. They're our friends, lovers and co-workers. They're outgoing and persuasive, dazzling you with charm and flattery. Often you aren't even aware they've taken you for a ride -- until it's too late.
Psychopaths exhibit a Jekyll and Hyde personality. "They play a part so they can get what they want," says Dr. Sheila Willson, a Toronto psychologist who has helped victims of psychopaths. The guy who showers a woman with excessive attention is much more capable of getting her to lend him money, and to put up with him when he strays. The new employee who gains her co-workers' trust has more access to their chequebooks. And so on. Psychopaths have no conscience and their only goal is self-gratification. Many of us have been their victims -- at work, through friendships or relationships -- and not one of us can say, "a psychopath could never fool me."
Think you can spot one? Think again. In general, psychopaths aren't the product of broken homes or the casualties of a materialistic society. Rather they come from all walks of life and there is little evidence that their upbringing affects them. Elements of a psychopath's personality first become evident at a very early age, due to biological or genetic factors. Explains Michael Seto, a psychologist at the Centre for Addiction and Mental health in Toronto, by the time that a person hits their late teens, the disorder is almost certainly permanent. Although many clinicians use the terms psychopath and sociopath interchangeably, writes psychopath expert Robert Hare on his book 'Without Conscience', a sociopath's criminal behavior is shaped by social forces and is the result of a dysfunctional environment.
Psychopaths have only a shallow range of emotions and lack guilt, says Hare. They often see themselves as victims, and lack remorse or the ability to empathize with others. "Psychopaths play on the fact that most of us are trusting and forgiving people," adds Seto. The warning signs are always there; it's just difficult to see them because once we trust someone, the friendship becomes a blinder.
Even lovers get taken for a ride by psychopaths. For a psychopath, a romantic relationship is just another opportunity to find a trusting partner who will buy into the lies. It's primarily why a psychopath rarely stays in a relationship for the long term, and often is involved with three or four partners at once, says Willson. To a psychopath, everything about a relationship is a game. Willson refers to the movie 'Sliding Doors' to illustrate her point. In the film, the main character comes home early after just having been fired from her job. Only moments ago, her boyfriend has let another woman out the front door. But in a matter of minutes he is the attentive and concerned boyfriend, taking her out to dinner and devoting the entire night to comforting her. All the while he's planning to leave the next day on a trip with the other woman.
The boyfriend displays typical psychopathic characteristics because he falsely displays deep emotion toward the relationship, says Willson. In reality, he's less concerned with his girlfriend's depression than with making sure she's clueless about the other woman's existence. In the romance department, psychopaths have an ability to gain your affection quickly, disarming you with words, intriguing you with grandiose plans. If they cheat you'll forgive them, and one day when they've gone too far, they'll leave you with a broken heart (and an empty wallet). By then they'll have a new player for their game.
The problem with their game is that we don't often play by their rules. Where we might occasionally tell a white lie, a psychopath's lying is compulsive. Most of us experience some degree of guilt about lying, preventing us from exhibiting such behavior on a regular basis. "Psychopaths don't discriminate who it is they lie to or cheat," says Seto. "There's no distinction between friend, family and sucker."
No one wants to be the sucker, so how do we prevent ourselves from becoming close friends or getting into a relationship with a psychopath? It's really almost impossible, say Seto and Willson. Unfortunately, laments Seto, one way is to become more suspicious and less trusting of others. Our tendency is to forgive when we catch a loved one in a lie. "Psychopaths play on this fact," he says. "However, I'm certainly not advocating a world where if someone lies once or twice, you never speak to them again." What you can do is look at how often someone lies and how they react when caught. Psychopaths will lie over and over again, and where other people would sincerely apologize, a psychopath may apologize but won't stop.
Psychopaths also tend to switch jobs as frequently as they switch partners, mainly because they don't have the qualities to maintain a job for the long haul. Their performance is generally erratic, with chronic absences, misuse of company resources and failed commitments. Often they aren't even qualified for the job and use fake credentials to get it. Seto talks of a patient who would get marketing jobs based on his image; he was a presentable and charming man who layered his conversations with educational and occupational references. But it became evident that the man hadn't a clue what he was talking about, and was unable to hold down a job.
How do you make sure you don't get fooled when you're hiring someone to baby-sit your child or for any other job? Hire based on reputation and not image, says Willson. Check references thoroughly. Psychopaths tend to give vague and inconsistent replies. Of course the best way to solve this problem would be to cure psychopaths of their 'illness.' But there's no recipe for treating them, say psychiatrists. Today's traditional methods of psychotherapy (psychoanalysis, group and one-on-one therapy) and drug treatments have failed. Therapy is more likely to work when an individual admits there's a problem and wants to change. The common problem with psychopaths, says Sets, "Is they don't see a problem with their behavior."
Psychopaths don't seek therapy willingly, says Seto. Rather, they're pushed into it by a desperate relative or by a court order. To a psychopath, a therapist is just one more person who must be conned, and the psychopath plays the part right until the therapist is convinced of his or her 'rehabilitation.'
Even though we can't treat psychopaths effectively with therapy, it doesn't mean we can't protect ourselves, writes Hare. Willson agrees, citing the most important factor in keeping psychopaths at bay is to know your vulnerabilities. We need to "realize our own potential and maximize our strengths" so that our insecurities don't overcome us. Because, she says, a psychopath is a chameleon who becomes "an image of what you haven't done for yourself." Over time, she says, "their appearance of perfection will begin to crack," but by that time you will have been emotionally and perhaps financially scathed. There comes a time when you realize there's no point in searching for answers; the only thing is to move on.
Taken in part from MW -- By Caroline Konrad -- September 1999
THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY:
These people are mentally ill and extremely dangerous! The following precautions will help to protect you from the destructive acts of which they are capable.
First, to recognize them, keep the following guidelines in mind.
(1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything.
(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace.
(3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else's fault.
(4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed.
(5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.
If you have come into conflict with such a person or persons, do the following immediately!
(1) Notify your friends and relatives of what has happened.
Do not be vague. Name names, and specify dates and circumstances. Identify witnesses if possible and provide supporting documentation if any is available.
(2) Inform the police. The police will do nothing with this information except to keep it on file, since they are powerless to act until a crime has been committed. Unfortunately, that often is usually too late for the victim. Nevertheless, place the information in their hands.
Obviously, if you are assaulted or threatened before witnesses, you can get a restraining order, but those are palliative at best.
(3) Local law enforcement agencies are usually under pressure if wealthy or politically powerful individuals are involved, so include state and federal agencies as well and tell the locals that you have. In my own experience, one agency that can help in a pinch is the Criminal Investigation Division of the Internal Revenue Service or (in Canada) Victims Services at your local police unit. It is not easy to think of the IRS as a potential friend, but a Swedish study showed that malignant types (the Swedes called them bullies) usually commit some felony or other by the age of twenty. If the family is wealthy, the fact may never come to light, but many felonies involve tax evasion, and in such cases, the IRS is interested indeed. If large amounts of money are involved, the IRS may solve all your problems for you. For obvious reasons the Drug Enforcement Agency may also be an appropriate agency to approach. The FBI is an important agency to contact, because although the FBI does not have jurisdiction over murder or assault, if informed, they do have an active interest in any other law enforcement agencies that do not follow through with an honest investigation and prosecution should a murder occur. Civil rights are involved at that point. No local crooked lawyer, judge, or corrupt police official wants to be within a country mile if that comes to light! It is in such cases that wealthy psychopaths discover just how firm the "friends" they count on to cover up for them really are! Even some of the drug cartel biggies will scuttle for cover if someone picks up the brick their thugs hide under. Exposure is bad for business.
(4) Make sure that several of your friends have the information in the event something happens to you. That way, an appropriate investigation will follow if you are harmed. Don't tell other people who has the information, because then something bad could happen to them as well. Instruct friends to take such an incident to the newspapers and other media.
If you are dealing with someone who has considerable money, you must realize that they probably won't try to harm you themselves, they will contract with someone to make the hit. The malignant type is a coward and will not expose himself or herself to personal danger if he or she can avoid it.
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I blame the media for Vick being allowed anywhere near an NFL field...Esp/ESPN(they have been in the tank for him since day 1--Anything for ratings)...Not to mention these asshole owners who all own many business's outside of football wouldn't even think about hiring a convicted Felon for any of their non-sports positions...This is the type of hypocrisy that needs to be brought to the table...
They keep talking about 2nd chances...Where are the 2nd chances for the black community who are riddled with felony convictions but can't get by a job application without being asked if they are a convicted felon?...These negro's should storm the streets and demand that job applications not be aloud to ask such things...
Stfu. This dumbass and his dumbass brother have had the good life thrown at them and they fuc.ked it up. Vick is a class A douchebag and always will be.
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Racist
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Hehe... The funny part is that my mom is black.
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He did not f##k up ::) As nycbull said; he's a sociopath and he's not going to change. He's no better than stuff I've scraped off the bottom of my shoe >:(
Profile of the Sociopath
This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.
• Glibness and Superficial Charm
• Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
• Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
• Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
• Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
• Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
• Incapacity for Love
• Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
• Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
• Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.
• Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
• Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
• Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.
• Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.
• Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.
Other Related Qualities:
1. Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
2. Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
3. Authoritarian
4. Secretive
5. Paranoid
6. Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
7. Conventional appearance
8. Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
9. Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
10. Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
11. Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
12. Incapable of real human attachment to another
13. Unable to feel remorse or guilt
14. Extreme narcissism and grandiose
15. May state readily that their goal is to rule the world
(The above traits are based on the psychopathy checklists of H. Cleckley and R. Hare.)
NOTE: In the 1830's this disorder was called "moral insanity." By 1900 it was changed to "psychopathic personality." More recently it has been termed "antisocial personality disorder" in the DSM-III and DSM-IV. Some critics have complained that, in the attempt to rely only on 'objective' criteria, the DSM has broadened the concept to include too many individuals. The APD category includes people who commit illegal, immoral or self-serving acts for a variety of reasons and are not necessarily psychopaths.
Antisocial Personality Disorder Overview (Written by Derek Wood, RN, BSN, PhD Candidate)
Antisocial Personality Disorder results in what is commonly known as a Sociopath. The criteria for this disorder require an ongoing disregard for the rights of others, since the age of 15 years. Some examples of this disregard are reckless disregard for the safety of themselves or others, failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors, deceitfulness such as repeated lying or deceit for personal profit or pleasure, and lack of remorse for actions that hurt other people in any way. Additionally, they must have evidenced a Conduct Disorder before the age of 15 years, and must be at least 18 years old to receive this diagnosis.
People with this disorder appear to be charming at times, and make relationships, but to them, these are relationships in name only. They are ended whenever necessary or when it suits them, and the relationships are without depth or meaning, including marriages. They seem to have an innate ability to find the weakness in people, and are ready to use these weaknesses to their own ends through deceit, manipulation, or intimidation, and gain pleasure from doing so.
They appear to be incapable of any true emotions, from love to shame to guilt. They are quick to anger, but just as quick to let it go, without holding grudges. No matter what emotion they state they have, it has no bearing on their future actions or attitudes.
They rarely are able to have jobs that last for any length of time, as they become easily bored, instead needing constant change. They live for the moment, forgetting the past, and not planning the future, not thinking ahead what consequences their actions will have. They want immediate rewards and gratification. There currently is no form of psychotherapy that works with those with antisocial personality disorder, as those with this disorder have no desire to change themselves, which is a prerequisite. No medication is available either. The only treatment is the prevention of the disorder in the early stages, when a child first begins to show the symptoms of conduct disorder.
THE PSYCHOPATH NEXT DOOR (Source: http://chericola57.tripod.com/infinite.html)
Psychopath. We hear the word and images of Bernardo, Manson and Dahmer pop into our heads; no doubt Ted Bundy too. But they're the bottom of the barrel -- most of the two million psychopaths in North America aren't murderers. They're our friends, lovers and co-workers. They're outgoing and persuasive, dazzling you with charm and flattery. Often you aren't even aware they've taken you for a ride -- until it's too late.
Psychopaths exhibit a Jekyll and Hyde personality. "They play a part so they can get what they want," says Dr. Sheila Willson, a Toronto psychologist who has helped victims of psychopaths. The guy who showers a woman with excessive attention is much more capable of getting her to lend him money, and to put up with him when he strays. The new employee who gains her co-workers' trust has more access to their chequebooks. And so on. Psychopaths have no conscience and their only goal is self-gratification. Many of us have been their victims -- at work, through friendships or relationships -- and not one of us can say, "a psychopath could never fool me."
Think you can spot one? Think again. In general, psychopaths aren't the product of broken homes or the casualties of a materialistic society. Rather they come from all walks of life and there is little evidence that their upbringing affects them. Elements of a psychopath's personality first become evident at a very early age, due to biological or genetic factors. Explains Michael Seto, a psychologist at the Centre for Addiction and Mental health in Toronto, by the time that a person hits their late teens, the disorder is almost certainly permanent. Although many clinicians use the terms psychopath and sociopath interchangeably, writes psychopath expert Robert Hare on his book 'Without Conscience', a sociopath's criminal behavior is shaped by social forces and is the result of a dysfunctional environment.
Psychopaths have only a shallow range of emotions and lack guilt, says Hare. They often see themselves as victims, and lack remorse or the ability to empathize with others. "Psychopaths play on the fact that most of us are trusting and forgiving people," adds Seto. The warning signs are always there; it's just difficult to see them because once we trust someone, the friendship becomes a blinder.
Even lovers get taken for a ride by psychopaths. For a psychopath, a romantic relationship is just another opportunity to find a trusting partner who will buy into the lies. It's primarily why a psychopath rarely stays in a relationship for the long term, and often is involved with three or four partners at once, says Willson. To a psychopath, everything about a relationship is a game. Willson refers to the movie 'Sliding Doors' to illustrate her point. In the film, the main character comes home early after just having been fired from her job. Only moments ago, her boyfriend has let another woman out the front door. But in a matter of minutes he is the attentive and concerned boyfriend, taking her out to dinner and devoting the entire night to comforting her. All the while he's planning to leave the next day on a trip with the other woman.
The boyfriend displays typical psychopathic characteristics because he falsely displays deep emotion toward the relationship, says Willson. In reality, he's less concerned with his girlfriend's depression than with making sure she's clueless about the other woman's existence. In the romance department, psychopaths have an ability to gain your affection quickly, disarming you with words, intriguing you with grandiose plans. If they cheat you'll forgive them, and one day when they've gone too far, they'll leave you with a broken heart (and an empty wallet). By then they'll have a new player for their game.
The problem with their game is that we don't often play by their rules. Where we might occasionally tell a white lie, a psychopath's lying is compulsive. Most of us experience some degree of guilt about lying, preventing us from exhibiting such behavior on a regular basis. "Psychopaths don't discriminate who it is they lie to or cheat," says Seto. "There's no distinction between friend, family and sucker."
No one wants to be the sucker, so how do we prevent ourselves from becoming close friends or getting into a relationship with a psychopath? It's really almost impossible, say Seto and Willson. Unfortunately, laments Seto, one way is to become more suspicious and less trusting of others. Our tendency is to forgive when we catch a loved one in a lie. "Psychopaths play on this fact," he says. "However, I'm certainly not advocating a world where if someone lies once or twice, you never speak to them again." What you can do is look at how often someone lies and how they react when caught. Psychopaths will lie over and over again, and where other people would sincerely apologize, a psychopath may apologize but won't stop.
Psychopaths also tend to switch jobs as frequently as they switch partners, mainly because they don't have the qualities to maintain a job for the long haul. Their performance is generally erratic, with chronic absences, misuse of company resources and failed commitments. Often they aren't even qualified for the job and use fake credentials to get it. Seto talks of a patient who would get marketing jobs based on his image; he was a presentable and charming man who layered his conversations with educational and occupational references. But it became evident that the man hadn't a clue what he was talking about, and was unable to hold down a job.
How do you make sure you don't get fooled when you're hiring someone to baby-sit your child or for any other job? Hire based on reputation and not image, says Willson. Check references thoroughly. Psychopaths tend to give vague and inconsistent replies. Of course the best way to solve this problem would be to cure psychopaths of their 'illness.' But there's no recipe for treating them, say psychiatrists. Today's traditional methods of psychotherapy (psychoanalysis, group and one-on-one therapy) and drug treatments have failed. Therapy is more likely to work when an individual admits there's a problem and wants to change. The common problem with psychopaths, says Sets, "Is they don't see a problem with their behavior."
Psychopaths don't seek therapy willingly, says Seto. Rather, they're pushed into it by a desperate relative or by a court order. To a psychopath, a therapist is just one more person who must be conned, and the psychopath plays the part right until the therapist is convinced of his or her 'rehabilitation.'
Even though we can't treat psychopaths effectively with therapy, it doesn't mean we can't protect ourselves, writes Hare. Willson agrees, citing the most important factor in keeping psychopaths at bay is to know your vulnerabilities. We need to "realize our own potential and maximize our strengths" so that our insecurities don't overcome us. Because, she says, a psychopath is a chameleon who becomes "an image of what you haven't done for yourself." Over time, she says, "their appearance of perfection will begin to crack," but by that time you will have been emotionally and perhaps financially scathed. There comes a time when you realize there's no point in searching for answers; the only thing is to move on.
Taken in part from MW -- By Caroline Konrad -- September 1999
THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY:
These people are mentally ill and extremely dangerous! The following precautions will help to protect you from the destructive acts of which they are capable.
First, to recognize them, keep the following guidelines in mind.
(1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything.
(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace.
(3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else's fault.
(4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed.
(5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.
If you have come into conflict with such a person or persons, do the following immediately!
(1) Notify your friends and relatives of what has happened.
Do not be vague. Name names, and specify dates and circumstances. Identify witnesses if possible and provide supporting documentation if any is available.
(2) Inform the police. The police will do nothing with this information except to keep it on file, since they are powerless to act until a crime has been committed. Unfortunately, that often is usually too late for the victim. Nevertheless, place the information in their hands.
Obviously, if you are assaulted or threatened before witnesses, you can get a restraining order, but those are palliative at best.
(3) Local law enforcement agencies are usually under pressure if wealthy or politically powerful individuals are involved, so include state and federal agencies as well and tell the locals that you have. In my own experience, one agency that can help in a pinch is the Criminal Investigation Division of the Internal Revenue Service or (in Canada) Victims Services at your local police unit. It is not easy to think of the IRS as a potential friend, but a Swedish study showed that malignant types (the Swedes called them bullies) usually commit some felony or other by the age of twenty. If the family is wealthy, the fact may never come to light, but many felonies involve tax evasion, and in such cases, the IRS is interested indeed. If large amounts of money are involved, the IRS may solve all your problems for you. For obvious reasons the Drug Enforcement Agency may also be an appropriate agency to approach. The FBI is an important agency to contact, because although the FBI does not have jurisdiction over murder or assault, if informed, they do have an active interest in any other law enforcement agencies that do not follow through with an honest investigation and prosecution should a murder occur. Civil rights are involved at that point. No local crooked lawyer, judge, or corrupt police official wants to be within a country mile if that comes to light! It is in such cases that wealthy psychopaths discover just how firm the "friends" they count on to cover up for them really are! Even some of the drug cartel biggies will scuttle for cover if someone picks up the brick their thugs hide under. Exposure is bad for business.
(4) Make sure that several of your friends have the information in the event something happens to you. That way, an appropriate investigation will follow if you are harmed. Don't tell other people who has the information, because then something bad could happen to them as well. Instruct friends to take such an incident to the newspapers and other media.
If you are dealing with someone who has considerable money, you must realize that they probably won't try to harm you themselves, they will contract with someone to make the hit. The malignant type is a coward and will not expose himself or herself to personal danger if he or she can avoid it.
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The origional OJ investigation and trial was so fucked up (excuse my French) that it should have been thrown out long before it even came to the point of black folks cheering in the streets. I was a Police officer at that time and all I could do is shake my head when the details of that investigation came out. They should have booted that shit out and saved us all a lot of drama. (Regardless of the guilt or innocence of OJ)
Pat
Please elaborate. Numerous very brilliant attorneys who were NOT on Simpson's payroll all seem to disagree with your belief that it should have never even gone to trial. Many have even written books on the subject.
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they will be chanting vicks name by the end of the year....wait until Donavan starts fucking up
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If it was a white "celeb" (which hey in reality thats never gona happen) the backlash would be just as bad if not worse , pull your head out your ass you ignorant choclate shithead...
For some reason alot of negros still have a savage mentality , why is this?
And it wasnt just mistreating dogs bozo it was disgusting behaviour that should IMO be given back to this grotty animal just as he delt it out to the Dogs.
Lol, that literally made me laugh out loud....that's the kind of thing I woulda heard, aged 7, in primary school.
Oh....and the irony in call ME ignorant ;D
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Lol, that literally made me laugh out loud....that's the kind of thing I woulda heard, aged 7, in primary school.
Oh....and the irony in call ME ignorant ;D
It was used so as to make you listen but its clear the point was still lost on you so yes you are still very ignorant when you cant see the broad picture ;)
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regarding the second paragraph OH BROTHER
lol
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Stfu. This dumbass and his dumbass brother have had the good life thrown at them and they fuc.ked it up. Vick is a class A douchebag and always will be.
I agree...And if the media(esp ESPN) had people on there saying he should never play in the NFL again and pushed that angle, there is no way he would have been able to come back...If they treated Vic like they did Barry Bonds, Vic would have no chance of coming back...
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people think he paid his due to society and that sounds all swell and good, however, he is a sociopath, sociopaths cannot be rehabilitated...it is only a matter of time before his illness stikes again.
And remember this man did not just gamble on dog fights, he tortured animals by electrocution, burning and starvation. He put lost family dogs in the same ring with pyschotic drugged up pitt bulls to be mauled to death.
Once a sociopath always a sociopath. Sorry but true.
He did not f##k up ::) As nycbull said; he's a sociopath and he's not going to change. He's no better than stuff I've scraped off the bottom of my shoe >:(
Profile of the Sociopath
• Glibness and Superficial Charm
• Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
• Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
• Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have accomplices The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
• Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
• Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
• Poor Behavioral ControlsImpulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.
• Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
• Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others/culture, even for acts they obviously committed. .
• Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.
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It was used so as to make you listen but its clear the point was still lost on you so yes you are still very ignorant when you cant see the broad picture ;)
I will never listen to a weak racist pussy like u
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Is Michael Vick a Sociopath?
You have a young adult, a professional NFL QB making millions of dollars a year who is admired by adults and looked upon as a role model by young kids. He has a bright future, a fiance and children. As he has been known to say "I have the world in my hands".
Why would someone like that choose to start, lead, and participate in a felonious criminal activity? An activity that was not only criminal but inhumane, vile, and sadistic in the truest sense of those words.
Why would someone, who on the outside appears normal, willingly and deliberately choose to embark upon an activity that takes innocent, voiceless, and defenseless dogs and force them to fight one another to the death? And, as if that is not repugnant enough, that same person would take dogs who did not meet his needs and execute them in some of the most horrific methods ever imagined.
This included holding their heads under water in 5 gallon buckets and drowning them while they struggled with everything they had simply to take one more breath of air.
This included taking a rope and putting it around their neck and hanging them from a tree while they swung from that rope fighting mightily, once again, to simply be able to breathe.
This included picking up a dog by it's hind legs and slamming it against the ground until the majority of it's bone were broken and it's organs ruptured from it's body.
This included taking dogs, wetting them down with water and electrocuting them to death.
This was all done to dogs that wanted nothing more to please the "human" that was doing this to them.
What was in the "mind" of Michael Vick when he tied a rope around the neck of one of his dogs to hang it and that dog was looking into his eyes with nothing but love and loyalty?
What was going through Vick's "mind" as he held one of those faithful dogs heads under water in a 5 gallon bucket and it struggled with all it's might to take one more breathe of air?
What was going through Vick's "mind" as he slammed one of these faithful dogs bodies against the ground and it screamed in pain after the first blow did not kill it? What was going through his "mind" when he had to perform this repeatedly as the dog struggled and cried and the life was slowly and brutally ravaged from it's body?
To find the answers to those questions I think we need to understand what goes on inside the mind of a sociopath. After all, a sociopath is someone who lacks a sense of moral responsibility and/or social conscience.
Moral responsibility means knowing right from wrong. I think we would all agree that what Michael Vick did was not only wrong but detestable in that it was an insult to the very normalcy and goodness of society.
Is Michael Vick a sociopath?
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He's a sick f.uck and anyone who says different is just stupid.
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He's a sick f.uck and anyone who says different is just stupid.
QFT
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Is Michael Vick a Sociopath?
You have a young adult, a professional NFL QB making millions of dollars a year who is admired by adults and looked upon as a role model by young kids. He has a bright future, a fiance and children. As he has been known to say "I have the world in my hands".
Why would someone like that choose to start, lead, and participate in a felonious criminal activity? An activity that was not only criminal but inhumane, vile, and sadistic in the truest sense of those words.
Why would someone, who on the outside appears normal, willingly and deliberately choose to embark upon an activity that takes innocent, voiceless, and defenseless dogs and force them to fight one another to the death? And, as if that is not repugnant enough, that same person would take dogs who did not meet his needs and execute them in some of the most horrific methods ever imagined.
This included holding their heads under water in 5 gallon buckets and drowning them while they struggled with everything they had simply to take one more breath of air.
This included taking a rope and putting it around their neck and hanging them from a tree while they swung from that rope fighting mightily, once again, to simply be able to breathe.
This included picking up a dog by it's hind legs and slamming it against the ground until the majority of it's bone were broken and it's organs ruptured from it's body.
This included taking dogs, wetting them down with water and electrocuting them to death.
This was all done to dogs that wanted nothing more to please the "human" that was doing this to them.
What was in the "mind" of Michael Vick when he tied a rope around the neck of one of his dogs to hang it and that dog was looking into his eyes with nothing but love and loyalty?
What was going through Vick's "mind" as he held one of those faithful dogs heads under water in a 5 gallon bucket and it struggled with all it's might to take one more breathe of air?
What was going through Vick's "mind" as he slammed one of these faithful dogs bodies against the ground and it screamed in pain after the first blow did not kill it? What was going through his "mind" when he had to perform this repeatedly as the dog struggled and cried and the life was slowly and brutally ravaged from it's body?
To find the answers to those questions I think we need to understand what goes on inside the mind of a sociopath. After all, a sociopath is someone who lacks a sense of moral responsibility and/or social conscience.
Moral responsibility means knowing right from wrong. I think we would all agree that what Michael Vick did was not only wrong but detestable in that it was an insult to the very normalcy and goodness of society.
Is Michael Vick a sociopath?
I agree. And I find it equally disturbing that so many "bruthas" and starstruck idiots won't even admit that what he did was wrong, and that he made conscious choices to engage in these vile behaviors. They rationalize and try to place blame elsewhere. This country is really going down the shitter.
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There is something definitely twisted and wrong with his mind. I just read he is doing work w/the Humane Society. This seems like it would at least loosely parallel allowing a convicted pedophile who had "paid his debt by doing his time" to become an elementary teacher.
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it's one thing to shoot an animal in the head, but if you're hanging or electrocuting them clearly you are getting some sort of sadistic pleasure from doing it
i can imagine him and his cronies laughing
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I'm so sick of turning on the TV,Newspaper,Internet,and hearing about this shit....get over it.they are dogs.theres people getting tortured and or killed every single day with no were near the outrage..Why?just because it's not an NFL quarterback doing it.If people spent half as much time focusing on themselves and issues that immediately affect them rather than dissecting all these celebrity failures (Vick,Brittney,Lohan)the world would be a better place.give it a fukin rest already.
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give it a fukin rest already.
THIS
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I'm so sick of turning on the TV,Newspaper,Internet,and hearing about this shit....
maybe you should read a book
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maybe you should read a book
I don't have time for that shit.It cuts to far into my GetBig time. :)
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I don't have time for that shit.It cuts to far into my GetBig time. :)
at least your priorities are in order ;D
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Vick on 60 Minutes to air tonight
Vick on 60 Minutes: 'I wasn't a leader'
In his first interview since he finished serving a 23-month sentence for bankrolling a dog-fighting ring, Michael Vick told James Brown of 60 Minutes that he should have done something to stop it.
In excerpts from the interview released by CBS, Vick says, "It's wrong, man. ... I feel, you know, some tremendous hurt behind what happened. And, you know, I should have took the initiative to stop it all …I didn't, I didn't step up. I wasn't a leader."
Brown then asks Vick what he thinks of cynics who say the quarterback was more worried about the damage to his career than what happened to the dogs that were .
"I mean, football don't even matter," Vick said.
Brown went on the NFL Network on Wednesday and offered some insights on Vick after the interview.
Vick's full interview with Brown will air on Sunday on CBS.
Posted by Tim Gardner at 07:14 PM/ET, August 13, 2009 | Permalink usatoday.com
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I'm so sick of turning on the TV,Newspaper,Internet,and hearing about this shit....get over it.they are dogs.theres people getting tortured and or killed every single day with no were near the outrage..Why?just because it's not an NFL quarterback doing it.If people spent half as much time focusing on themselves and issues that immediately affect them rather than dissecting all these celebrity failures (Vick,Brittney,Lohan)the world would be a better place.give it a fukin rest already.
ur an american....so live with it. only country were a f##kin dog gets $1M+ inheritance.
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I'm so sick of turning on the TV,Newspaper,Internet,and hearing about this shit....get over it.they are dogs.theres people getting tortured and or killed every single day with no were near the outrage..Why?just because it's not an NFL quarterback doing it.If people spent half as much time focusing on themselves and issues that immediately affect them rather than dissecting all these celebrity failures (Vick,Brittney,Lohan)the world would be a better place.give it a fukin rest already.
Do you think what he did was wrong? Simple "yes or no" question. No rationalizations, no weak analogies, no excuses, just a yes or a no.
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Is Michael Vick a Sociopath?
You have a young adult, a professional NFL QB making millions of dollars a year who is admired by adults and looked upon as a role model by young kids. He has a bright future, a fiance and children. As he has been known to say "I have the world in my hands".
Why would someone like that choose to start, lead, and participate in a felonious criminal activity? An activity that was not only criminal but inhumane, vile, and sadistic in the truest sense of those words.
Why would someone, who on the outside appears normal, willingly and deliberately choose to embark upon an activity that takes innocent, voiceless, and defenseless dogs and force them to fight one another to the death? And, as if that is not repugnant enough, that same person would take dogs who did not meet his needs and execute them in some of the most horrific methods ever imagined.
This included holding their heads under water in 5 gallon buckets and drowning them while they struggled with everything they had simply to take one more breath of air.
This included taking a rope and putting it around their neck and hanging them from a tree while they swung from that rope fighting mightily, once again, to simply be able to breathe.
This included picking up a dog by it's hind legs and slamming it against the ground until the majority of it's bone were broken and it's organs ruptured from it's body.
This included taking dogs, wetting them down with water and electrocuting them to death.
This was all done to dogs that wanted nothing more to please the "human" that was doing this to them.
What was in the "mind" of Michael Vick when he tied a rope around the neck of one of his dogs to hang it and that dog was looking into his eyes with nothing but love and loyalty?
What was going through Vick's "mind" as he held one of those faithful dogs heads under water in a 5 gallon bucket and it struggled with all it's might to take one more breathe of air?
What was going through Vick's "mind" as he slammed one of these faithful dogs bodies against the ground and it screamed in pain after the first blow did not kill it? What was going through his "mind" when he had to perform this repeatedly as the dog struggled and cried and the life was slowly and brutally ravaged from it's body?
To find the answers to those questions I think we need to understand what goes on inside the mind of a sociopath. After all, a sociopath is someone who lacks a sense of moral responsibility and/or social conscience.
Moral responsibility means knowing right from wrong. I think we would all agree that what Michael Vick did was not only wrong but detestable in that it was an insult to the very normalcy and goodness of society.
Is Michael Vick a sociopath?
After reading that, no doubt about it.
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Do you think what he did was wrong? Simple "yes or no" question. No rationalizations, no weak analogies, no excuses, just a yes or a no.
"wrong" is very relative when you think about it.
Is prostitution wrong?
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"wrong" is very relative when you think about it.
Is prostitution wrong?
Do YOU think what he did was wrong? I do.
I don't think prostitution is "wrong" as long as no one is forced into it, and no one is willfully spreading diseases doing it.
Again, why not answer the question instead of rationalizing or drawing weak analogies?
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"wrong" is very relative when you think about it.
Is prostitution wrong?
when govts and leaders dont give the girls a real opportunity at education and earning a living? i got a list of countries good at that. u
German?
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ped f##ks got mike vicki beat by a mile! yep...they are much better than vick based on the great intelligent of getdumb.
btw...russians, DR and PR call it a sport. asian call them dinner.
vic fuc#ed up. i cant come up with anything else besides that.
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Do YOU think what he did was wrong? I do.
I don't think prostitution is "wrong" as long as no one is forced into it, and no one is willfully spreading diseases doing it.
Again, why not answer the question instead of rationalizing or drawing weak analogies?
I'm not answering the question, because right and wrong is a relative question.
So many things are considered wrong but you probably have no problem with them, and even if something is "wrong", there are levels of "wrong". His is hardly the big crime that I feel people are making it out to be.
I'm a dog lover... completely.
I don't think a dog's life is more important than a human's.
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I'm not answering the question, because right and wrong is a relative question.
So many things are considered wrong but you probably have no problem with them, and even if something is "wrong", there are levels of "wrong". His is hardly the big crime that I feel people are making it out to be.
I'm a dog lover... completely.
I don't think a dog's life is more important than a human's.
I sense conflict. You're a dog lover. And I believe you said previously that you're of mixed ethnicity and a big NFL fan as well?
You're obviously a Vick mark, despite being an intelligent person otherwise. No objective individual can possibly equate sex for pay between consenting adults with the senseless torture and murder of domestic animals. I could maybe understand if the guy needed to fight dogs to put food on the table and killed them humanely, but jeez - a multimillion dollar a year athlete torturing man's best friend? The lengths some will go to in order to rationalize obvious atrocities of some of their own amazes me.
Since you won't say whether or not it was "wrong", do you think he was "right" to do what he did? By saying that a "human's" life is more important than a dog's, are you suggesting that he should have gotten off completely? Do you think that Vick is the real victim here?
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I sense conflict. You're a dog lover. And I believe you said previously that you're of mixed ethnicity and a big NFL fan as well?
You're obviously a Vick mark, despite being an intelligent person otherwise. No objective individual can possibly equate sex for pay between consenting adults with the senseless torture and murder of domestic animals. I could understand if the guy needed to fight dogs to put food on the table and killed them humanely, but jeez - a multimillion dollar a year athlete torturing man's best friend? The lengths some will go to in order to rationalize obvious atrocities of some of their own amazes me.
Since you won't say whether or not it was "wrong", do you think he was "right" to do what he did? By saying that a "human's" life is more important than a dog's, are you suggesting that he should have gotten off completely? Do you think that Vick is the real victim here?
I think he is definitely a victim. Yes.
Stallworth killed a human being... 30 days.
So yes... I think as far as the punishment fitting the crime. He's a victim.
I'm not a Vick "mark" as you like to put it... I happen to know him, not extremely well mind you, and I could have told you in 2000 that something like this would have happened. He's an idiot, but that doesn't mean that his punishment wasn't overboard.
As someone else has stated... Dogs have been known to be food in other countries. To that, so have chickens, but I don't see anyone jumping up and down over cock-fighting this much.
There are a lot of other things I believe in this instance, but it matters not. Most people will hate him because they just like to be haters.
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There are a lot of other things I believe in this instance, but it matters not. Most people will hate him because they just like to be haters.
You're a cool guy, but i disagree with you here. He gave a lot of people a real reason to hate him, it's not just blind jealousy or "hate" he got like when he was in the NFL.
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I will never listen to a weak racist pussy like u
Ditto..
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He's a sick f.uck and anyone who says different is just stupid.
Well i say different and Im far from stupid.
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Do you think what he did was wrong? Simple "yes or no" question. No rationalizations, no weak analogies, no excuses, just a yes or a no.
yeah fuckface what he did was wrong...but should he be punished forever for it..
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I think he is definitely a victim. Yes.
Stallworth killed a human being... 30 days.
So yes... I think as far as the punishment fitting the crime. He's a victim.
I'm not a Vick "mark" as you like to put it... I happen to know him, not extremely well mind you, and I could have told you in 2000 that something like this would have happened. He's an idiot, but that doesn't mean that his punishment wasn't overboard.
As someone else has stated... Dogs have been known to be food in other countries. To that, so have chickens, but I don't see anyone jumping up and down over cock-fighting this much.
There are a lot of other things I believe in this instance, but it matters not. Most people will hate him because they just like to be haters.
2 words...DANNY HEATLEY....I never heard the outrage from that story
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I think he is definitely a victim. Yes.
Stallworth killed a human being... 30 days.
So yes... I think as far as the punishment fitting the crime. He's a victim.
I'm not a Vick "mark" as you like to put it... I happen to know him, not extremely well mind you, and I could have told you in 2000 that something like this would have happened. He's an idiot, but that doesn't mean that his punishment wasn't overboard.
As someone else has stated... Dogs have been known to be food in other countries. To that, so have chickens, but I don't see anyone jumping up and down over cock-fighting this much.
There are a lot of other things I believe in this instance, but it matters not. Most people will hate him because they just like to be haters.
The difference with Stallworth and some of the other players who have been in trouble is intent. He made a poor choice by getting behind the wheel of his car after having a few drinks. He did not set out that night looking to kill someone. Vick tortured and killed dogs for years and knew exactly what he was doing. Thats not only a crime, its the sign of a sick, twisted mind.
I dont know what dogs treatment in other countries have to do with dogs being killed here. There are also other countries where human rights are stomped on all the time. Dogs have earned certain rights and have been elevated to a higher place in out society. They have worked with us and been of service to us, for many they are a close part of the family.
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I agree. And I find it equally disturbing that so many "bruthas" and starstruck idiots won't even admit that what he did was wrong, and that he made conscious choices to engage in these vile behaviors. They rationalize and try to place blame elsewhere. This country is really going down the shitter.
I can't speak for the "Bruthas" that you know but for this brotha, I never once thought or inferred that what Vick did wasn't wrong. Nobody I have ever discussed this with, black or white, has ever debated Vick's innocence with me. That is not the issue here. I think anyone with basic common sense can see what he did was dead wrong. With that, the same person with the same common sense should be able to see that the man has done his time and paid the dues set fourth by the state (the people) and sense he has done that he should be allowed to go on with his life. Ask yourself this, If he wasn't Micheal Vick and just the "brutha" that lived a few doors down from you or the guy that worked at the grocery store nobody would be making a big deal on weather "Kroger's" allowed him to come back and get his job stocking shelves. This is just ridiculous and needs to be put to rest. He did it, he went to jail, he got out...... Let the man live his life and you live yours.
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I can't speak for the "Bruthas" that you know but for this brotha, I never once thought or inferred that what Vick did wasn't wrong. Nobody I have ever discussed this with, black or white, has ever debated Vick's innocence with me. That is not the issue here. I think anyone with basic common sense can see what he did was dead wrong. With that, the same person with the same common sense should be able to see that the man has done his time and paid the dues set fourth by the state (the people) and sense he has done that he should be allowed to go on with his life. Ask yourself this, If he wasn't Micheal Vick and just the "brutha" that lived a few doors down from you or the guy that worked at the grocery store nobody would be making a big deal on weather "Kroger's" allowed him to come back and get his job stocking shelves. This is just ridiculous and needs to be put to rest. He did it, he went to jail, he got out...... Let the man live his life and you live yours.
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biggity biggity BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Awesome post
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I can't speak for the "Bruthas" that you know but for this brotha, I never once thought or inferred that what Vick did wasn't wrong. Nobody I have ever discussed this with, black or white, has ever debated Vick's innocence with me. That is not the issue here. I think anyone with basic common sense can see what he did was dead wrong. With that, the same person with the same common sense should be able to see that the man has done his time and paid the dues set fourth by the state (the people) and sense he has done that he should be allowed to go on with his life. Ask yourself this, If he wasn't Micheal Vick and just the "brutha" that lived a few doors down from you or the guy that worked at the grocery store nobody would be making a big deal on weather "Kroger's" allowed him to come back and get his job stocking shelves. This is just ridiculous and needs to be put to rest. He did it, he went to jail, he got out...... Let the man live his life and you live yours.
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agreed......LOL @ Krogers! Those still exist?!
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guy is a joke he's only sorry because he was caught. if he was never caught it would have been business as usual. i'm an eagles fan sorry to say, i hope he gets laid out when he plays at least he has a choice unlike all the dogs he tortured killed and etc for his own amusement. i say cover him in dog food and let several english mastiffs and kurdish kangals have there way with him. that's one pay for view that i'd buy.
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Exceptional athlete. Exceptional talent. But he is a dirtbag street thug ..... and I don't belief his remorse for one second. Vick new exactly what he was doing for well over a decade. You guys that say "Oh, Stallworth hit a pedestrian on a DUI and only got 30 days".....such a weak analogy. Stallworth made a bad mistake. Vick made a lifetime choice to participate and bankroll "Bad Newz" kennels.
Vick is scum. He would definitely still be doing it today if he was never caught. Big difference right there. His only remorse is the money he lost.....
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I wonder what other occupation would re-hire someone after committing the same felonies.
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Exceptional athlete. Exceptional talent. But he is a dirtbag street thug ..... and I don't belief his remorse for one second. Vick new exactly what he was doing for well over a decade. You guys that say "Oh, Stallworth hit a pedestrian on a DUI and only got 30 days".....such a weak analogy. Stallworth made a bad mistake. Vick made a lifetime choice to participate and bankroll "Bad Newz" kennels.
Vick is scum. He would definitely still be doing it today if he was never caught. Big difference right there. His only remorse is the money he lost.....
grant...i'd probably agree with on that but us pulling hairs dont stop $1.5M in his acct and more to come. so...i'm putting a blanket on mike and marcus.
anyway...what the deal with my obsession date?
(http://www.iafd.com/graphics/headshots/obsession_f_obsesion_vt.jpg)
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I wonder what other occupation would re-hire someone after committing the same felonies.
any job in a 3rd world or developing country. several asian countires. russia - dog fighting was a betting sport for a minute. DR and Rico also. u need more. move on...imp.
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any job in a 3rd world or developing country. several asian countires. russia - dog fighting was a betting sport for a minute. DR and Rico also. u need more. move on...imp.
In the United States genius, where Mike Vick resides and will forever reside now that he is a convicted felon.
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In the United States genius, where Mike Vick resides and will forever reside now that he is a convicted felon.
garbageman, construction, day labor, readyman, etc. u think everyone losing sleep over his dog fighting. get real...gossiping school girl. sex offenders and murderers do their time and can get a job during their rehabbing process.
this is all driven by the jerry springer gossiping on a school yard little girl USA worthless Media.
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garbageman, construction, day labor, readyman, etc. u think everyone losing sleep over his dog fighting. get real...gossiping school girl. sex offenders and murderers do their time and can get a job during their rehabbing process.
this is all driven by the jerry springer gossiping on a school yard little girl USA worthless Media.
u dont know fuckin shit now STFU
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u dont know fuckin shit now STFU
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This included holding their heads under water in 5 gallon buckets and drowning them while they struggled with everything they had simply to take one more breath of air.
This included taking a rope and putting it around their neck and hanging them from a tree while they swung from that rope fighting mightily, once again, to simply be able to breathe.
This included picking up a dog by it's hind legs and slamming it against the ground until the majority of it's bone were broken and it's organs ruptured from it's body.
This included taking dogs, wetting them down with water and electrocuting them to death **(with jumper cables, while laughing)**
This was all done to dogs that wanted nothing more to please the "human" that was doing this to them.
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I can't speak for the "Bruthas" that you know but for this brotha, I never once thought or inferred that what Vick did wasn't wrong. Nobody I have ever discussed this with, black or white, has ever debated Vick's innocence with me. That is not the issue here. I think anyone with basic common sense can see what he did was dead wrong. With that, the same person with the same common sense should be able to see that the man has done his time and paid the dues set fourth by the state (the people) and sense he has done that he should be allowed to go on with his life. Ask yourself this, If he wasn't Micheal Vick and just the "brutha" that lived a few doors down from you or the guy that worked at the grocery store nobody would be making a big deal on weather "Kroger's" allowed him to come back and get his job stocking shelves. This is just ridiculous and needs to be put to rest. He did it, he went to jail, he got out...... Let the man live his life and you live yours.
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Great post Pat, u hit the nail on the head.
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This included holding their heads under water in 5 gallon buckets and drowning them while they struggled with everything they had simply to take one more breath of air.
This included taking a rope and putting it around their neck and hanging them from a tree while they swung from that rope fighting mightily, once again, to simply be able to breathe.
This included picking up a dog by it's hind legs and slamming it against the ground until the majority of it's bone were broken and it's organs ruptured from it's body.
This included taking dogs, wetting them down with water and electrocuting them to death **(with jumper cables, while laughing)**
This was all done to dogs that wanted nothing more to please the "human" that was doing this to them.
They were....dogs. Dogs.
NOT people.
So come on, quit crying.
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They were....dogs. Dogs.
NOT people.
So come on, quit crying.
Another sociopath. Big surprise.
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They were....dogs. Dogs.
NOT people.
So come on, quit crying.
you are too stupid to understand
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you are too stupid to understand
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Apparently so is most of America... Most people are over it.
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Apparently so is most of America... Most people are over it.
over it lol he was just on 60 minutes last night and he is dominating espn
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over it lol he was just on 60 minutes last night and he is dominating espn
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That's the media using him to keep football in the spotlight.
Most of America is truly over it.
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That's the media using him to keep football in the spotlight.
Most of America is truly over it.
football rules this country, they don't need any outside help
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football rules this country, they don't need any outside help
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That's why they're still talking about Favre? Yeah... That's not to keep Football in the spotlight. ::)
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That's why they're still talking about Favre? Yeah... That's not to keep Football in the spotlight. ::)
espn is talking abut favre, not 60 minutes or cnn ::)
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espn is talking abut favre, not 60 minutes or cnn ::)
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That's because CNN is in bed with SI and 60 minutes is just following the trend.
You really don't get it?
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That's because CNN is in bed with SI and 60 minutes is just following the trend.
You really don't get it?
it's all over the news
only the morons saying "it's not people, just dogs" are over it
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Those Enron guys did far worse things.
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it's all over the news
only the morons saying "it's not people, just dogs" are over it
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That's 1/2 of America... Just not your 1/2.
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Those Enron guys did far worse things.
who is saying good things about them?
stop looking for ways to justify the killing of dogs
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That's 1/2 of America... Just not your 1/2.
so 150 million+ still care?
sounds like a lot to me :)
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The difference with Stallworth and some of the other players who have been in trouble is intent. He made a poor choice by getting behind the wheel of his car after having a few drinks. He did not set out that night looking to kill someone. Vick tortured and killed dogs for years and knew exactly what he was doing. Thats not only a crime, its the sign of a sick, twisted mind.
I dont know what dogs treatment in other countries have to do with dogs being killed here. There are also other countries where human rights are stomped on all the time. Dogs have earned certain rights and have been elevated to a higher place in out society. They have worked with us and been of service to us, for many they are a close part of the family.
I meant to respond to this... If you drink and drive... You have implied intent of killing someone. That's why people who have done the same thing have been tried (successfully) for murder.
Stallworth is more guilty in my opinion than Vick because he knowingly endangered other human lives and those people were killed.
Intent is bullshit.
You drink and drive you intend to do whatever the hell you want and you don't care about anyone else.
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I meant to respond to this... If you drink and drive... You have implied intent of killing someone. That's why people who have done the same thing have been tried (successfully) for murder.
Stallworth is more guilty in my opinion than Vick because he knowingly endangered other human lives and those people were killed.
Intent is bullshit.
You drink and drive you intend to do whatever the hell you want and you don't care about anyone else.
so 1/2 of america has implied intent to kill someone?
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you are too stupid to understand
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No I'm not stupid, I just don't value the life of a dog that highly, and neither should you.
There are more important things in life to worry about.
Rather than worrying about dogs, you could contribute something to mankind.
Instead of worrying about dogs.
(For the record, I am not saying it's ok to kill dogs for no reason)
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so 1/2 of america has implied intent to kill someone?
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They have implied intent to not give a shit about others... yes... if they drink and drive.
Most certainly.
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I can't speak for the "Bruthas" that you know but for this brotha, I never once thought or inferred that what Vick did wasn't wrong. Nobody I have ever discussed this with, black or white, has ever debated Vick's innocence with me. That is not the issue here. I think anyone with basic common sense can see what he did was dead wrong. With that, the same person with the same common sense should be able to see that the man has done his time and paid the dues set fourth by the state (the people) and sense he has done that he should be allowed to go on with his life. Ask yourself this, If he wasn't Micheal Vick and just the "brutha" that lived a few doors down from you or the guy that worked at the grocery store nobody would be making a big deal on weather "Kroger's" allowed him to come back and get his job stocking shelves. This is just ridiculous and needs to be put to rest. He did it, he went to jail, he got out...... Let the man live his life and you live yours.
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Many people share my personal opinion that the "punishment" has been far too lenient. And I don't care what someone does for a living or what color they are - anyone who would do these types of things is subhuman scum and potentially very dangerous to society at large. It's obvious that some DON'T believe his actions were "wrong" (morally speaking).
I don't think anyone is debating his actual legal innocence or guilt either. It's more about the guy being a stupid sociopath. And that many are defending him, making excuses for him, blaming society, trying to downplay his crimes, making poor analogies, etc - either because he's a celebrity or a minority or both. This is also a perfect example of the criminal justice system, certain segments of society, and entities such as the NFL being far too lenient IMO.
On Vick being let back into the league, I think that the "crimes" committed by Pete Rose and Willie Mays were far, far less serious and they should have been forgiven long before a psychopath like Vick should be forgiven. His crimes are far more troubling than many are willing or able to see. I don't think it should be "left alone" so quickly and easily. He should at the very least be watched very, very closely for the rest of his life.
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Many people share my personal opinion that the "punishment" has been far too lenient. And I don't care what someone does for a living or what color they are - anyone who would do these types of things is subhuman scum and potentially very dangerous to society at large. It's obvious that some DON'T believe his actions were "wrong" (morally speaking).
I don't think anyone is debating his actual legal innocence or guilt either. It's more about the guy being a stupid sociopath. And that many are defending him, making excuses for him, blaming society, trying to downplay his crimes, making poor analogies, etc - either because he's a celebrity or a minority or both. This is also a perfect example of the criminal justice system, certain segments of society, and entities such as the NFL being far too lenient IMO.
On Vick being let back into the league, I think that the "crimes" committed by Pete Rose and Willie Mays were far, far less serious and they should have been forgiven long before a psychopath like Vick should be forgiven. His crimes are far more troubling than many are willing or able to see. I don't think it should be "left alone" so quickly and easily. He should at the very least be watched very, very closely for the rest of his life.
So you're saying a man shouldn't have the right to make a living? Wow.
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No I'm not stupid, I just don't value the life of a dog that highly, and neither should you.
There are more important things in life to worry about.
Rather than worrying about dogs, you could contribute something to mankind.
Instead of worrying about dogs.
(For the record, I am not saying it's ok to kill dogs for no reason)
it has nothing to do with "worrying" about dogs, why do you vick schmoes assume that anybody against him hates people?
it's just seeing that it takes a sick piece of shit to do what vick did for the sake of giggles
i just saw the other day on yahoo a page that talked about how to be younger than your actual age, one of the recommendations was owning a dog
dogs contribute to mankind
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who is saying good things about them?
stop looking for ways to justify the killing of dogs
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Point is simple. They got to move on.
People's obsession with this thing is lame.
it has nothing to do with "worrying" about dogs, why do you vick schmoes assume that anybody against him hates people?
it's just seeing that it takes a sick piece of shit to do what vick did for the sake of giggles
i just saw the other day on yahoo a page that talked about how to be younger than your actual age, one of the recommendations was owning a dog
dogs contribute to mankind
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They have implied intent to not give a shit about others... yes... if they drink and drive.
Most certainly.
i don't think the majority doesn't care about others, they're just too stupid to realize that bad things can happen
none of them get in their car and say "i'm going to run somebody over today" like vick knew he was going to kill dogs
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i don't think the majority doesn't care about others, they're just too stupid to realize that bad things can happen
none of them get in their car and say "i'm going to run somebody over today" like vick knew he was going to kill dogs
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If in this day and age, you don't realize that drinking and driving can have serious repercussions, you're not stupid... You don't give a shit.
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Oh brother.
you don't get it because you never had a dog, or you're just a sick sociopath like vick :-*
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No I'm not stupid, I just don't value the life of a dog that highly, and neither should you.
There are more important things in life to worry about.
Rather than worrying about dogs, you could contribute something to mankind.
Instead of worrying about dogs.
(For the record, I am not saying it's ok to kill dogs for no reason)
x2 wheres the outrage for people that get tortured & murdered?yea theres outrage but defiantly not enough to fill 8 pages on GetBig....These people need to get a fuckin life and quit persecuting others with there holier than thou attitudes...everyone fucks up...If your reading this yes...your shit stinks to..some people fuck up and run some one over others abuse dogs...others abuse drugs what the fuck ever you get the point...well probably not this is getbig after all.
the funny thing is before this happened I was never a Vick fan.I think he's the most overrated player there is.Now I find myself rooting for him because jackasses that think it's the worst thing since 911 what this guy did....give it a fukin rest!!!
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So you're saying a man shouldn't have the right to make a living? Wow.
I think the only "right to make a living" some men should have is making my license plates for me.
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If in this day and age, you don't realize that drinking and driving can have serious repercussions, you're not stupid... You don't give a shit.
they realize it can have serious repercussions, but they believe they aren't impaired to the point of being a danger on the road
if you regularly drink, i don't buy for a minute that you always had a designated driver or called a cab
there is a huge difference between intent and an accident, vick supporters have trouble grasping that :-\
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x2 wheres the outrage for people that get tortured & murdered?yea theres outrage but defiantly not enough to fill 8 pages on GetBig....These people need to get a fuckin life and quit persecuting others with there holier than thou attitudes...everyone fucks up...If your reading this yes...your shit stinks to..some people fuck up and run some one over others abuse dogs...others abuse drugs what the fuck ever you get the point...well probably not this is getbig after all.
the funny thing is before this happened I was never a Vick fan.I think he's the most overrated player there is.Now I find myself rooting for him because jackasses that think it's the worst thing since 911 what this guy did....give it a fukin rest!!!
You make a valid point... Are these the same people who are pro-torture or anti-torture?
I'd like to see that breakdown.
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they realize it can have serious repercussions, but they believe they aren't impaired to the point of being a danger on the road
if you regularly drink, i don't buy for a minute that you always had a designated driver or called a cab
there is a huge difference between intent and an accident, vick supporters have trouble grasping that :-\
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I can tell you that I drove impaired ONE time... in my whole life... when I was 22.
I always get someone else to drive or call a cab... I'm sorry my standard is a little higher than yours when it comes to that.
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x2 wheres the outrage for people that get tortured & murdered?yea theres outrage but defiantly not enough to fill 8 pages on GetBig....These people need to get a fuckin life and quit persecuting others with there holier than thou attitudes...everyone fucks up...If your reading this yes...your shit stinks to..some people fuck up and run some one over others abuse dogs...others abuse drugs what the fuck ever you get the point...well probably not this is getbig after all.
the funny thing is before this happened I was never a Vick fan.I think he's the most overrated player there is.Now I find myself rooting for him because jackasses that think it's the worst thing since 911 what this guy did....give it a fukin rest!!!
LOL after he is a convicted felon that's when you decide to be a fan, and they say chicks love the bad boy
since when isn't there outrage over torture and murder? how many times are you going to spout off that nonsense in each of your stupid posts?
when an nfl player tortures and murders a human being you will see more coverage, ok? ::)
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you don't get it because you never had a dog, or you're just a sick sociopath like vick :-*
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No, I'm just not gay.
I could totally see having a pet for company but really wouldn't go all gay over the experience and let shit get out of perspective.
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I can tell you that I drove impaired ONE time... in my whole life... when I was 22.
I always get someone else to drive or call a cab... I'm sorry my standard is a little higher than yours when it comes to that.
so you had intent to murder that day? if we used your logic yes you did, you were an adult so no excuse :-*
i never have more than a drink or two when i'm driving so i guess don't have "intent" to murder 8)
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No, I'm just not gay.
I could totally see having a pet for company but really wouldn't go all gay over the experience and let shit get out of perspective.
sorry but as much as you like to think it, you're not a "manly man" for not caring about dogs :)
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LOL after he is a convicted felon that's when you decide to be a fan, and they say chicks love the bad boy
since when isn't there outrage over torture and murder? how many times are you going to spout off that nonsense in each of your stupid posts?
when an nfl player tortures and murders a human being you will see more coverage, ok? ::)
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fuck you earl....
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when an nfl player tortures and murders a human being you will see more coverage, ok? ::)
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and yea thats it...he's an NFL player so thats the reason...has nothing to do with what he did.It has more to do with who he is....
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lol..earl is totally owning the simple minded "gay-for-vick" trolls on this thread
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and yea thats it...he's an NFL player so thats the reason...has nothing to do with what he did.It has more to do with who he is....
yeah it has to do with who he is, here's a guy with a $100 million contract fighting and torturing dogs
normally when people have money and a career, they don't feel the need to risk their livlihood, if you have something to lose you will take far less uneccessary risks
it just shows what a sick sadistic piece of shit he is, he still couldn't resist his urge to torture innocent life even with all those millions and fame
and fuck you too :-*
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looks like a lotta "dudes" on this thread would love to do the "down low" with michael vick
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lol..earl is totally owning the simple minded "gay-for-vick" trolls on this thread
just another day on getbig my friend, just another day :)
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looks like a lotta "dudes" on this thread would love to do the "down low" with michael vick
just ask whoopi goldberg, it's a part of their culture :-\
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sorry but as much as you like to think it, you're not a "manly man" for not caring about dogs :)
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You people are foolish with the animal thing.
I wouldn't hurt one and believe Vick is an ass but he's served the time.
If you petwits spent this much time chasing down child molesters we wouldn't need Megan's or registered sex offenders laws.
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just ask whoopi goldberg, it's a part of their culture :-\
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yes, i'd love to see someone read that explicit charge list to that bitch when she was defending him
absolutely absurd. i suppose segregation was just a "cultural thing", too
tu holmes argument that "wrong" is open for debate may be true, but the concept of "evil" is completely clear with people, and this was definitely evil
i doubt the guys on this thread are bad people. like i said, they're basically just gay for vick
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You people are foolish with the animal thing.
I wouldn't hurt one and believe Vick is an ass but he's served the time.
If you petwits spent this much time chasing down child molesters we wouldn't need Megan's or registered sex offenders laws.
exactly....child molesters have gotten less time than Vick do you see this earl chump spouting off at the mouth about this injustice?...no because he's a super fan.he puts more weight into his precious NFL than real life shit....
as a matter of fact I don't see hardly anyone on this thread thats so outraged by this vick thing posting on the political board about real issues that effect people...as long as there puppies are safe lol... ::)
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so you had intent to murder that day? if we used your logic yes you did, you were an adult so no excuse :-*
i never have more than a drink or two when i'm driving so i guess don't have "intent" to murder 8)
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No... As I said... I didn't give a shit and intended on doing what I want to do.
You're full of crap, but that's ok.
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exactly....child molesters have gotten less time than Vick do you see this earl chump spouting off at the mouth about this injustice?...no because he's a super fan.he puts more weight into his precious NFL than real life shit....
as a matter of fact I don't see hardly anyone on this thread thats so outraged by this vick thing posting on the political board about real issues that effect people...as long as there puppies are safe lol... ::)
Everyone has served less time than Vick... People convicted of manslaughter... sex offenders... lots of people.
But, you put someone's dog down and oh my god... it's the end of the word and that person is EVIL.
If this guy is what these people are worried about then they must all be millionaires with no problems because I don't see this as a big deal in the real world at all.
I guess I'm just a sociopath though. ::)
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Everyone has served less time than Vick... People convicted of manslaughter... sex offenders... lots of people.
But, you put someone's dog down and oh my god... it's the end of the word and that person is EVIL.
If this guy is what these people are worried about then they must all be millionaires with no problems because I don't see this as a big deal in the real world at all.
I guess I'm just a sociopath though. ::)
No fukin doubt bro...your spot on...
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But, you put someone's dog down and oh my god... it's the end of the word and that person is EVIL.
This included holding their heads under water in 5 gallon buckets and drowning them while they struggled with everything they had simply to take one more breath of air.
This included taking a rope and putting it around their neck and hanging them from a tree while they swung from that rope fighting mightily, once again, to simply be able to breathe.
This included picking up a dog by it's hind legs and slamming it against the ground until the majority of it's bone were broken and it's organs ruptured from it's body.
This included taking dogs, wetting them down with water and electrocuting them to death **(with jumper cables, while laughing)**
This was all done to dogs that wanted nothing more to please the "human" that was doing this to them.
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This included holding their heads under water in 5 gallon buckets and drowning them while they struggled with everything they had simply to take one more breath of air.
This included taking a rope and putting it around their neck and hanging them from a tree while they swung from that rope fighting mightily, once again, to simply be able to breathe.
This included picking up a dog by it's hind legs and slamming it against the ground until the majority of it's bone were broken and it's organs ruptured from it's body.
This included taking dogs, wetting them down with water and electrocuting them to death **(with jumper cables, while laughing)**
This was all done to dogs that wanted nothing more to please the "human" that was doing this to them.
Sounds like the CIA's alternative interrogation methods to me. Should those guys be refused jobs?
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He's a piece of trash, but the guy did his time and paid a price.
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This included holding their heads under water in 5 gallon buckets and drowning them while they struggled with everything they had simply to take one more breath of air.
This included taking a rope and putting it around their neck and hanging them from a tree while they swung from that rope fighting mightily, once again, to simply be able to breathe.
This included picking up a dog by it's hind legs and slamming it against the ground until the majority of it's bone were broken and it's organs ruptured from it's body.
This included taking dogs, wetting them down with water and electrocuting them to death **(with jumper cables, while laughing)**
This was all done to dogs that wanted nothing more to please the "human" that was doing this to them.
did you support pres bush and his water boarding torture of human beings?And if not why are you not so adamantly posting against it on the political forum?
Sounds like the CIA's alternative interrogation methods to me. Should those guys be refused jobs?
exactly my point...nail on head...
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You people are foolish with the animal thing.
I wouldn't hurt one and believe Vick is an ass but he's served the time.
If you petwits spent this much time chasing down child molesters we wouldn't need Megan's or registered sex offenders laws.
when did anybody say they wouldn't mind a child molester in the league?
why do "vickwits" keep assuming that people don't care about other people?
again there is an accident, and then there is intent, two different things
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Sounds like the CIA's alternative interrogation methods to me. Should those guys be refused jobs?
link?
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No... As I said... I didn't give a shit and intended on doing what I want to do.
You're full of crap, but that's ok.
full of crap about what, drinking? i rarely drink i'm "boring" :P
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when did anybody say they wouldn't mind a child molester in the league?
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you are aware theres a whole world outside of the NFL & sports.....
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did you support pres bush and his water boarding torture of human beings?And if not why are you not so adamantly posting against it on the political forum?
oh, i do!
by the way, do you feel segregation was "just a cultural thing"? :) ???
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exactly....child molesters have gotten less time than Vick do you see this earl chump spouting off at the mouth about this injustice?...no because he's a super fan.he puts more weight into his precious NFL than real life shit....
as a matter of fact I don't see hardly anyone on this thread thats so outraged by this vick thing posting on the political board about real issues that effect people...as long as there puppies are safe lol... ::)
who are the known child molesters in the nfl? all the "regular guy" child molestors i hear about get more than 2 years in prison, rightfully so
stop reaching ::)
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you are aware theres a whole world outside of the NFL & sports.....
You forgot puppies and Levrone's nutsack.
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You forgot puppies and Levrone's nutsack.
get off of vick's nutsack you schmoe
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oh, i do!
by the way, do you feel segregation was "just a cultural thing"? :) ???
so your all for the torture of people just not dogs?
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so your all for the torture of people just not dogs?
yes, i'm all for it ::)
that's called a "bizarre absolute", by the way
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who are the known child molesters in the nfl? all the "regular guy" child molestors i hear about get more than 2 years in prison, rightfully so
stop reaching ::)
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see if you have reading comprehension skills at all....
you are aware theres a whole world outside of the NFL & sports.....
theses are (REAL LIFE) issues not sports (NFL) issues..
again wheres your outrage on the political forum for these issues against people not animals?What?there not in the NFL so it doesn't concern you...your a prime example of the the persona & the dumbing down of the American male.yes, i'm all for it ::)
that's called a "bizarre absolute", by the way
no it's what you call fuked up priority's...you must be a sociopath.......wait a minute you seem to love animals a little to much...hmmmm...bestialit y?...are their things deity?
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no it's what you call fuked up priority's...you must be a sociopath.......wait a minute you seem to love animals a little to much...hmmmm...bestialit y?...are their things deity?
lol...fortunately, i have the capacity to care about more than one issue simultaneously. in fact, you'll find that the people expressing outrage at vick's behavior are the most vocal critics of all abuse - MOST especially the crimes committed by the bush administration.
like i said, many of us have the capacity to object to abuses of all sorts. and we don't try to make bizarre rationalizations to excuse downright evil behavior under ANY circumstances.
perhaps you could learn how to do this, too :)
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I don't think any of us Vick "haters" are in any way condoning the crimes child molesters, rapists, cold blooded murderers, etc. In fact I think that all of the above should generally get life sentences and the death penalty in many cases.
What we've been saying all along that your hero's crimes are very serious in and of themselves, and that one who would do those things to domestic animals is quite likely to eventually begin torturing and killing children, women, or other humans unable to defend themselves. Don't take my word for it - Forensic Psychiatrists & Psychologists, FBI Behavioral Scientists, and other criminology experts will tell you this, and there have been numerous books written on the subject.
No one is saying he's not a talented athlete, but he's a danger to society. I was disappointed as a kid when I found out that athletes I looked up to were imperfect, and that Santa and the Easter Bunny were not real, but I had to face realty eventually.
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see if you have reading comprehension skills at all....
theses are (REAL LIFE) issues not sports (NFL) issues..
again wheres your outrage on the political forum for these issues against people not animals?What?there not in the NFL so it doesn't concern you...your a prime example of the the persona & the dumbing down of the American male.
no it's what you call fuked up priority's...you must be a sociopath.......wait a minute you seem to love animals a little to much...hmmmm...bestialit y?...are their things deity?
why do you keep assuming we don't care about people and only dogs? i don't come here to talk or read about politics, just sports
just because you don't care about dogs doesn't mean others can't care about both big L dawg
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This included holding their heads under water in 5 gallon buckets and drowning them while they struggled with everything they had simply to take one more breath of air.
This included taking a rope and putting it around their neck and hanging them from a tree while they swung from that rope fighting mightily, once again, to simply be able to breathe.
This included picking up a dog by it's hind legs and slamming it against the ground until the majority of it's bone were broken and it's organs ruptured from it's body.
This included taking dogs, wetting them down with water and electrocuting them to death **(with jumper cables, while laughing)**
This was all done to dogs that wanted nothing more to please the "human" that was doing this to them.
Im from Uk so didnt know much about the specifics but reading that really pissed me off.If anyone has had a dog you realise how much they love you unconditionally and how trusting they are, for this fuckhead to do that he doesnt deserve to play again and needs jumper cables attached to his nuts while he swings from a tree.
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x2 wheres the outrage for people that get tortured & murdered?yea theres outrage but defiantly not enough to fill 8 pages on GetBig....These people need to get a fuckin life and quit persecuting others with there holier than thou attitudes...everyone fucks up...If your reading this yes...your shit stinks to..some people fuck up and run some one over others abuse dogs...others abuse drugs what the fuck ever you get the point...well probably not this is getbig after all.
the funny thing is before this happened I was never a Vick fan.I think he's the most overrated player there is.Now I find myself rooting for him because jackasses that think it's the worst thing since 911 what this guy did....give it a fukin rest!!!
Why do you keep detracting from the topic and bringing up tangential shit like people getting tortured? If you're outraged that enough people aren't outraged about it, then do something about it, instead of whining like a little bitch in a thread about Vicks and dogs.
No ones prioritizing dogs over human in here. Get a clue.
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Im from Uk so didnt know much about the specifics but reading that really pissed me off.If anyone has had a dog you realise how much they love you unconditionally and how trusting they are, for this fuckhead to do that he doesnt deserve to play again and needs jumper cables attached to his nuts while he swings from a tree.
pathological behavior at its finest, my good man
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You people are foolish with the animal thing.
I wouldn't hurt one and believe Vick is an ass but he's served the time.
If you petwits spent this much time chasing down child molesters we wouldn't need Megan's or registered sex offenders laws.
What makes you think the same folks defending dogs aren't spending the same amount of energy tracking child molesters and promoting missing children? Until you have proof otherwise, stop bringing in Straw Man arguments and if you don't know what that means, stop making up shit.
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Everyone has served less time than Vick... People convicted of manslaughter... sex offenders... lots of people.
But, you put someone's dog down and oh my god... it's the end of the word and that person is EVIL.
If this guy is what these people are worried about then they must all be millionaires with no problems because I don't see this as a big deal in the real world at all.
I guess I'm just a sociopath though. ::)
If his case was only that simple.... ::)
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the fact that this thread has made it to ten pages proves my stance....
while other way more pressing issues barely make it off the first page....
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the fact that this thread has made it to ten pages proves my stance....
while other way more pressing issues barely make it off the first page....
that's because its on the g&o
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There is something definitely twisted and wrong with his mind. I just read he is doing work w/the Humane Society. This seems like it would at least loosely parallel allowing a convicted pedophile who had "paid his debt by doing his time" to become an elementary teacher.
great point.
he could make everyone happy. Donate 1/2 of his NFL salary to the Humane society for the rest of his football career :)
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Barry Bonds hit 28 home runs with less then 350 at bats in 2007 and hasn't played a game since then because no team would go near him for something that everyone was doing...Yet Vic signs with a team...AMAZING what ESPN is doing for Vic...
As if it could get any worse on what Vic did to these dogs, there are rumors around the net that he would also throw live cats into a cage with dogs and watch the cats get devoured...
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Barry Bonds hit 28 home runs with less then 350 at bats in 2007 and hasn't played a game since then because no team would go near him for something that everyone was doing...Yet Vic signs with a team...AMAZING what ESPN is doing for Vic...
bonds is well past 40 years old with baggage gallore other than just juice....legal problems,a cancer in the locker room.vic is in the middle of his career bonds is/was at the end of his.factor in his attitude with the media,throwing his own teammates under the bus constantly,the fact that he not only juiced but lied under oath about it & is facing prison time.Your analogy doesn't fit.....
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Bonds is well past 40 years old with baggage gallore other than just juice....legal problems,a cancer in the locker room.vic is in the middle of his career bonds is/was at the end of his.factor in his attitude with the media,throwing his own teammates under the bus constantly,the fact that he not only juiced but lied under oath about it & is facing prison time.Your analogy doesn't fit.....
Bonds is arguably the best player to ever play the game(HOF)Vic is a great athlete who hasn't done shit(and won't)...And in 2007 Bonds would have hit over 45 home runs if he had all his at bats...The only reason no team picked up Bonds is because the media and the writers kept pushing to keep him out and wouldn't leave it alone...
T.O is 5 times the cancer that Bonds ever was in a locker room...Are you telling me that there wasn't one MLB team that would have wanted to sign Bonds for a 1 year deal? There was rumored to be many but the commissioner along with ESPN and other sports radio shows had an agenda to keep him out of baseball...
I'm not really a Bonds fan but watching what has now panned out with the steroid list, its a fcking shame that Bonds wasn't allowed to finish his career...He easily would have had 100 more home runs if he played 3 more years as a DH in the American league...
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Bonds is arguably the best player to ever play the game(HOF)Vic is a great athlete who hasn't done shit(and won't)...And in 2007 Bonds would have hit over 45 home runs if he had all his at bats...The only reason no team picked up Bonds is because the media and the writers kept pushing to keep him out and wouldn't leave it alone...
T.O is 5 times the cancer that Bonds ever was in a locker room...Are you telling me that there wasn't one MLB team that would have wanted to sign Bonds for a 1 year deal? There was rumored to be many but the commissioner along with ESPN and other sports radio shows had an agenda to keep him out of baseball...
I'm not really a Bonds fan but watching what has now panned out with the steroid list, its a fcking shame that Bonds wasn't allowed to finish his career...He easily would have had 100 more home runs if he played 3 more years as a DH in the American league...
If TO was as old and close to the end of his career as Bonds, he too would be chilling somewhere, watching Monday night games on a big screen. The only reason anyone messes with TO is because they know they have way more than a couple good years left out of him. With Bonds, no team wanted to take the heat for someone in the twilight years of their career. Plain and simple. Anyway, I thought someone should have given him a shot regardless. Same with Vic.
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How about this American Attitude..
FUCK YOU
yea that was pretty typical.
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There is something definitely twisted and wrong with his mind. I just read he is doing work w/the Humane Society. This seems like it would at least loosely parallel allowing a convicted pedophile who had "paid his debt by doing his time" to become an elementary teacher.
True... However, don't mistake it for anything except him wanting to get back into the NFL and this being a way to do so.
I'm sure he doesn't give a rats ass about the Humane society or any of that shit... He just wanted to play football. So to play ball... He had to "play ball" as it were.
If he didn't need the money I'm sure he would have said "Fuck You" to Goodell.
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If suffering bothers you people so much, do not buy anything made in China.
People's fixation on animals is amusing. It obviously says a lot about their inability to form lasting relationships with humans.
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If suffering bothers you people so much, do not buy anything made in China.
People's fixation on animals is amusing. It obviously says a lot about their inability to form lasting relationships with humans.
Agree completely. I love my pets... wouldn't harm them for anything, but seriously... It is still an animal.
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This included holding their heads under water in 5 gallon buckets and drowning them while they struggled with everything they had simply to take one more breath of air.
This included taking a rope and putting it around their neck and hanging them from a tree while they swung from that rope fighting mightily, once again, to simply be able to breathe.
This included picking up a dog by it's hind legs and slamming it against the ground until the majority of it's bone were broken and it's organs ruptured from it's body.
This included taking dogs, wetting them down with water and electrocuting them to death **(with jumper cables, while laughing)**
This was all done to dogs that wanted nothing more to please the "human" that was doing this to them.
Throw in a few meaty bones or sausages... They forget all about it!
I just love dogs.