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besides, the debt is inconsequential.[/b] and its not the fault of obama either.
so what is the though process behined this ..if debt is ok then what is bad?
also in this contradictory motion presented by our great Tbombz whos fault is the debt since its inconsequential ??? ::)
the obvious answer tbombz is alluding to is the past leaders of our nation. but why do libs give crap reasoning like this
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What he means is the debt is inconsequential as long as nobody has the balls to come collect.
And he's right, the debt is not Obama's fault at all. Lot's of things Obama can be blamed for, that ain't one of them.
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guys.. lets be fair.. obama has raked up a pretty sizable increase in the debt.. granted the wars are not his "fault".. but he has spent like a drunken sailor.. he is not innocent..
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Oh, so a balanced budget, controlled government spending, etc. don't count if you're a Liberal media darling?
Obama is the worst POTUS in the history of the U.S. - by far.
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What does tbombz know about debt, guy uses his parents money for drugs and has no job :-\
But he does have tough skin and seems to take everything in strides
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Johnny Falcon, I didn't know you could write like this, my intellectual brother
We should see more posts of yours like this, calling people on their bullshit, using penetrating, insightful, well-reasoned questions
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What he means is the debt is inconsequential as long as nobody has the balls to come collect.
And he's right, the debt is not Obama's fault at all. Lot's of things Obama can be blamed for, that ain't one of them.
right.
what we need now is more spending, not less.
but unlike alot democrats, i dont approve of tax hikes at the moment.
the economy should be our number one concern. we can worry about balancing the budget later.
as for responsibility... its a systemic issue going back a hundred years or more. not the fault of any one individual or idealogy.
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Blame Bush is so 2011...maybe a third stimulus from Barry will do the trick?
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Fucking retarded..."focus on the economy and more spending and worry about balancing the budget later."
Do you have any idea what runaway inflation will do to the U.S. economy?
The socialist idealogy that the Magic Kneegrow has is not sustainable economically. 50% of the people can't go to work to pay for the 50% of the people that stay home and mooch off society.
Obviously college juniors don't comprehend their textbooks anymore - or have an original thought not fed to them by CNN.
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debt doesnt cause inflation.
socialism is only capitalism where the public owns the means to production, it has nothing to do with employment proportions of the population.
yes, 50% of people can provide for the other 50%. although no one is suggesting that should be the case.
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Bush takes office in 2001 with a National Debt of 5.73 Trillion
Bush left office 2009 with a National Debt of 10.63 Trillion
Obama takes office in 2009 with a National Debt of 10.63 Trillion
the National Debt is now 2012 is 14.639 Trillion
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What he means is the debt is inconsequential as long as nobody has the balls to come collect.
And he's right, the debt is not Obama's fault at all. Lot's of things Obama can be blamed for, that ain't one of them.
good post, although Obama can't be blamed for many things at all, just a correction for your post. The GOP House can be blamed for most of the things going wrong in this country.
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debt doesnt cause inflation.
socialism is only capitalism where the public owns the means to production, it has nothing to do with employment proportions of the population.
yes, 50% of people can provide for the other 50%. although no one is suggesting that should be the case.
good quote tbombz, the rich should be forced to work for the poor for the horrible crimes they have committed against them for the next hundred years while the poor sit at him and watch TV on their recliner's, time to have the rich pay up.
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good quote tbombz, the rich should be forced to work for the poor for the horrible crimes they have committed against them for the next hundred years while the poor sit at him and watch TV on their recliner's, time to have the rich pay up.
Hey muslim homo, go be dumb and gay somewhere else.
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good quote tbombz, the rich should be forced to work for the poor for the horrible crimes they have committed against them for the next hundred years while the poor sit at him and watch TV on their recliner's, time to have the rich pay up.
Biggest piece of shit on this board. Anyone who shares politics with this clown should take a good hard look at themselves.
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Biggest piece of shit on this board. Anyone who shares politics with this clown should take a good hard look at themselves.
Obvious rich folk you are, exploiting the hard working average American, I can tell you wouldn't ever want to pay them back for the crimes you are committing against them you evil capitalist.
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Obvious rich folk you are, exploiting the hard working average American, I can tell you wouldn't ever want to pay them back for the crimes you are committing against them you evil capitalist.
makaveli isnt rich. thats the funny thing about the conservative base.
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right.
what we need now is more spending, not less.
but unlike alot democrats, i dont approve of tax hikes at the moment.
the economy should be our number one concern. we can worry about balancing the budget later.
as for responsibility... its a systemic issue going back a hundred years or more. not the fault of any one individual or idealogy.
i'm telling you krugman is full of shit. he bases his theories on keynesian theory which is incorrect.
the reason the usa pulled out of the great depression was initially the war and the war spending yes, but what lead to the increased standards of living post-ww2 was due entirely to the fact that the entire manufacturing sector of europe, and large parts of russia/asia, was completely carpet bombed and usa comprised 60% of the worlds manufacturing production.
what good would it do now to increase production of goods when no one has any money, tbombz? who is going to buy all the shit on the walmart shelves if they quadruple in size? they will go to rot, it's a huge waste of resources and it will benefit no one.
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makaveli isnt rich. thats the funny thing about the conservative base.
LOL that is even worse, a poor conservative, brainwashed by the GOP that they can work hard and become rich, LOLOLOLOLOL, just like the casino, keep coming back, and we keep taking your money, it's a losing game, the game is rigged against you makaveli.
It is funny to me how some poor people vote republican, republican is the party of the rich man, not the poor, the poor people want to be rich so they just vote for the rich guy, no thought goes into their decision. Just like guys hovering around hot chicks thinking if they hang around long enough she will bang them LOL pathetic.
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huh? what did i say about increasing production?
you make a good point though, demand drives the economy
and the economy wont go back up, people wont start getting hired untill demand goes up
but how does that happen?
we need to spend money, get it into the hands of consumers. they buy more, demand goes up, companies start hiring.
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Obvious rich folk you are, exploiting the hard working average American, I can tell you wouldn't ever want to pay them back for the crimes you are committing against them you evil capitalist.
Okay, I'll play along...
What "crimes" have "rich folk" committed against "non-rich folk?"
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good quote tbombz, the rich should be forced to work for the poor for the horrible crimes they have committed against them for the next hundred years while the poor sit at him and watch TV on their recliner's, time to have the rich pay up.
What do you know about working? You leech off of people and gobble poles!
Btw, I run a car detailing/bodyshop and have provided people who you call poor with jobs.
So, get that cock out of your mouth before you start lumping all rich people with the poor, it's more than what you simply make it to be.
And I did all of this before I was 25, I'm now 26, so it can be done. But guys like you obviously don't know what work is, just sit behind a computer until your next welfare check comes in. Fucking leeches of society ::)
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What do you know about working? You leech off of people and gobble poles!
Btw, I run a car detailing/bodyshop and have provided people who you call poor with jobs.
So, get that cock out of your mouth before you start lumping all rich people with the poor, it's more than what you simply make it to be.
And I did all of this before I was 25, I'm now 26, so it can be done. But guys like you obviously don't know what work is, just sit behind a computer until your next welfare check comes in. Fucking leeches of society ::)
i dont think repping for 20 would advocate raising your taxes , im pretty sure hes talking about the people worth billions
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What he means is the debt is inconsequential as long as nobody has the balls to come collect.
And he's right, the debt is not Obama's fault at all. Lot's of things Obama can be blamed for, that ain't one of them.
LOL...lemme guess. It's all Bushs fault lol
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i dont think repping for 20 would advocate raising your taxes , im pretty sure hes talking about the people worth billions
Or businesses that gross 250k...please.
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Or businesses that gross 250k...please.
business or personal income? big difference
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business or personal income? big difference
It doesn't matter. But small businesses that make $250k or more will get hit. I already knew this but when I filed my 2011 taxes and payed my Jan 15 quarterly today.....my accountant reminded me.
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It doesn't matter. But small businesses that make $250k or more will get hit. I already knew this but when I filed my 2011 taxes and payed my Jan 15 quarterly today.....my accountant reminded me.
i think a business that makes 250k a year definitely needs tax breaks, but a person making 250k a year can afford to give a big chunk to the government.
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i dont think repping for 20 would advocate raising your taxes , im pretty sure hes talking about the people worth billions
x2, kevin guy has a hard on for me lol
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It doesn't matter. But small businesses that make $250k or more will get hit. I already knew this but when I filed my 2011 taxes and payed my Jan 15 quarterly today.....my accountant reminded me.
they need to file differently and they won't get hit. Tbombz I agree people making over 250k personally definitely need to fork over more than 50% of their income.
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Then the guys that own businesses that gross 250k won't want to become the guys that make 250k, and there's a break point where you start not wanting to do more business for the hassle.
It never ceases to amaze me how little credit people who run businesses get. Like we figure out how to do all this - employ people, worker's comp, taxes, medical, all the hats you have to wear....to give the government half.
Fuck that noise. Fuck that noise in the god damned ass. Only those of us who pay understand. We are now the minority, and nobody young wants to be a capatalist sucker.
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What he means is the debt is inconsequential as long as nobody has the balls to come collect.
And he's right, the debt is not Obama's fault at all. Lot's of things Obama can be blamed for, that ain't one of them.
thats like saying its inconsequential to beat an old lady as long as she doesnt have a knife or a gun on her
however
"national/ world wide" debt is an illusion theres no way to properly audit/ survey all that bullshit. we are not in any debt as a country its an illusion put in the media to create divide and unrest.
personal debt between man and another man is not an illusion its the real deal because it can be documented easily. you can never keep up with country to country transactions this is how the government media rep and demo's like to fuck everyone they just flood the airwaves with money going this that and the other way and you never ever know the truth
best to keep things on a personal level. keep the morals in check, its never right to not pay another man or hoe his due
these rich chinamen or rich usa men arab ect have everything they want, these are the people that run buisness for profit and have been for years and have been simply grandfatherd in thus they dont care if USA ows them a shitload of money theres no need to do "repossession" or a forecable collection theres simply no need, but they get a kick out of worrying the shit out of the average meat eating USA'r into beleiving all of this economical crisis bullshit ::). Nothing wrong with that but people dont need to beleive this country is in debt and we arent in debt to our government but we are to our credit card companies unless we act stupid with our personal credit cards. So be responsible personally dont get caught up in the rooting for obama this romney that bullshit
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i think a business that makes 250k a year definitely needs tax breaks, but a person making 250k a year can afford to give a big chunk to the government.
Tbombs. If a persons gross income is 250k that's 20833mo. If they have let's say 10k in expenses per month ( and that's a very reasonable figure) they are taxed about 40% of the remainder depending on write offs. That doesn't leave a whole hell of a lot. 40% and you want to tax more? How much more????
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Then the guys that own businesses that gross 250k won't want to become the guys that make 250k, and there's a break point where you start not wanting to do more business for the hassle.
It never ceases to amaze me how little credit people who run businesses get. Like we figure out how to do all this - employ people, worker's comp, taxes, medical, all the hats you have to wear....to give the government half.
Fuck that noise. Fuck that noise in the god damned ass. Only those of us who pay understand. We are now the minority, and nobody young wants to be a capatalist sucker.
that is good, greed is bad, we need to limit what people make and want in this society, this society is focused on material goods that doesn't make you happy.
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they need to file differently and they won't get hit. Tbombz I agree people making over 250k personally definitely need to fork over more than 50% of their income.
Seriously sister. You just need to shut the Fuck up.
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Tbombs. If a persons gross income is 250k that's 20833mo. If they have let's say 10k in expenses per month ( and that's a very reasonable figure) they are taxed about 40% of the remainder depending on write offs. That doesn't leave a whole hell of a lot. 40% and you want to tax more? How much more????
who the hell has 10k in expenses per month LOL, talk about ultra rich, you need to be taxed out the ass to bring your ass back to earth. Most people don't make 20833 in a year. You are not the average worker, you are an elitist, just like Mitt Romney.
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If a persons gross income is 250k that's 20833mo. If they have let's say 10k in expenses per month ( and that's a very reasonable figure) they are taxed about 40% of the remainder depending on write offs. That doesn't leave a whole hell of a lot. 40% and you want to tax more?
That reasoning may be a little too deep for this crowd, J.
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they need to file differently and they won't get hit. Tbombz I agree people making over 250k personally definitely need to fork over more than 50% of their income.
what should all this tax money go to what will ecompass 50 to 60 percent in tax money? You might be a firm beleiver in more funding for public schools huh oh brother worst money ever spent
i remember in 2nd grade i had a highly advanced reading level and read very fast. but the other kids were very very slow readers, i slowed down because i felt like i was showing off and wanted to make friends, i found acting dumb and making mistakes was the way to make friends at that age... point is nutrition and good parents at an early age matters more than teachers
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that is good, greed is bad, we need to limit what people make and want in this society, this society is focused on material goods that doesn't make you happy.
I've fucking had it with you. I'm going nag the FUCK out of Ron till you're gone and ip banned for good. Quit stalking me queer.o
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Tbombs. If a persons gross income is 250k that's 20833mo. If they have let's say 10k in expenses per month ( and that's a very reasonable figure) they are taxed about 40% of the remainder depending on write offs. That doesn't leave a whole hell of a lot. 40% and you want to tax more? How much more????
10k per month is alot.. nobodys taxed 40%.. somebody making 250k gets taxed at 33%.. id say thats pretty reasonable actually..
ideally i would have no income tax on anyone, regardless of income, just place a heavy tax on corporate profits, but only in a global sense. cant do that when companies can just go elsewhere.
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that is good, greed is bad, we need to limit what people make and want in this society, this society is focused on material goods that doesn't make you happy.
bullshit if playing xbox and porn doesnt make one happy >:(
what about everything you own, what if there was a limitation on the things you owned and they never came out? man stop being dumb!
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Totally disgusting.
This is what I'm talking about. Most of you have NO CLUE about running a small business. Not working in a cubicle, or going to school for 10 years to work 3 and end up on 3 years of unemployment....I'm talking about opening the door and letting the employees in and closing up when they leave and doing everything.
I guess am the type of rich you hate, the kind you can see - but I'm not flying a private jet around on the company dime like you would make it out I am. I am however employing your peers and being financially successful so payback time right?
If you can't fathom 10k in monthly costs you have no reason to comment further because you are truly ignorant of how the small biz sector works. It's all cost, what you keep if you are lucky after paying everything is then partitioned further by tax.
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And you guys don't even understand the difference between gross/net income of the business after cost vs personal income. It's like you are 10 years old on this stuff. Seriously.
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Totally disgusting.
This is what I'm talking about. Most of you have NO CLUE about running a small business. Not working in a cubicle, or going to school for 10 years to work 3 and end up on 3 years of unemployment....I'm talking about opening the door and letting the employees in and closing up when they leave and doing everything.
I guess am the type of rich you hate, the kind you can see - but I'm not flying a private jet around on the company dime like you would make it out I am. I am however employing your peers and being financially successful so payback time right?
If you can't fathom 10k in monthly costs you have no reason to comment further because you are truly ignorant of how the small biz sector works. It's all cost, what you keep if you are lucky after paying everything is then partitioned further by tax.
i think we were talking about 10k in personal costs, housing, food, recreation. not cost of business.
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Okay...so if that's the case what we're rationalizing is 250k personal income taxed at 50%, leaving 125k. So that's the max that the average Obama supporter would "allow" one to have because they can't imagine what living better would be like? So we should ban cars that cost 80k and million dollar homes? Stop allowing vacations and high life? Regulate what percentage a person spends? I just don't get the financial ceiling we would have here. You see how it just seems like haterism for those who have been working? In my case I created something out of nothing...do you think I'd actually pay that 50% rate? I'd just fire everyone and do it on a smaller scale and make myself the same money. I know that can't be done in all cases but in my case if I get taxed further that's what I'd do. That is an economy killer.
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warren buffet said "ive never known a businessman who would turn down a deal because it was going to be taxed"
while taxes are a disincentive they arent going to kill the market unless they are near 100%, as long as theres a dollar to be made someones going to make that dollar
i dont advocate 50% tax on income. if you read above my ideal system would be zero income tax and a heavy tax on corporate profits as the only form of government revenue. but only if this was worldwide regulation, wouldnt work when companies can just o elsewhere.
as for capping someones income. ya, i would agree with that. lets say 100 million dollars. nobod can have more than that. its arbitrary but id support it.
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This taxing only the huge multi-national corporations is a fairly tale. They own the government and have the means to put laws in place for themselves. They'd just break up into whatever legal entity was needed to avoid tax again. That's the issue, we keep going back to "paying tax is for suckers"....the problem is the suckers are smarter than the average bear and nobody gives them any credit. The final result of this is Obama both protects a company like GE and goes after me because I have no lobbying power. I'm too busy doing the deal. I see this stuff getting pretty bad in the future and I'm already looking at cash businesses. There will be a tax revolt at some point from those left who pay. At the core of this is again taxation without representation.
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just playing devils advocate here..
small business are inherently going to be less efficient than big business
keeping tax rates low on big business keeps the large employers here
taxing the small business heavily should clear the market of inefficiencies and make for a more productive economy
yes?
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To that I would say you are a Socialist. I'm not throwing the word around in a derogatory manner. This is textbook thinking that the government can make decisions better than we can make for ourselves based on the efficiency of centralized power. The government IS representative of large business after all.
And about keeping big business here....that horse has already left the barn. This is my point, you can't get blood out of a stone. You have to lower Federal spending and try to get some tax money from the corporations but not deter those of us who are smaller and paying our bills because if I cash out and stop being a believer in this stuff I'll never come back. That superceeds the condition of the "market" in the domestic sense.
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6th grade government class people, or did everyone drop out of school in the 5th grade?
Did we become a monarchy in the past 3 years, or do we have a system that has 535 members of CONGRESS that might have something to do with this...
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i am a socialist.
discussing economic policy is tricky because most idealogies, at least mine, are based on a closed system.
when taking into considerration the global market things become more complicated.
i do think taxes should be low at the moment, on everyone.
but i dont agree with cutting federal spending. if it takes 10, 20, or 50 years for us to pay it back.. thats cool with me. and it should be with everyone else as well. the global economy depends on our eonomy, our debt holders are interested in keeping us solvent and prosperus.
the solution is more complicated than just taxing and regulation though. it goes down to education and family values as well.
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Well, at least an admission of wanting it all ways is being truthful. The problem is who our debt is going to, it's not going to be our call how long until we pay...it's going to be sooner than we want and when we are weaker than we are now...period. And it's our fault we take an easy way out with a loan from a country with such horrible human values. That horse is out of the barn as well. I believe the government has about as much power to create wealth as to legislate family value. I'm no 80s era Pat Buchanan but I am very cynical.
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Who would of thought we'd have a pole smoking socialist and a radical Muslim telling us how America should be? Sign of the times. The problem with socialism is it causes massive immigration from the worlds refuse, that want to jump on the dole and pop out kids, while these parasites simultaneously contribute to the degeneration of the host society. Not to mention you have 'natives' like Swede that sit around and nasturbate over Brock Lesnar, to pass the time before their check comes.
The only socialist program I support is subsidized or free education and affordable healthcare. Otherwise taxes should be kept to a minimum.
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I think its funny when people call someone a socialist and think its a negative thing. It just shows your not a greedy selfish person that wants it all for themselves. I think in the US there should be free healthcare, free education, Free healthcare guarantees our citizens are not going bankrupt over illnesses and can spend their money on something productive to society instead of paying it to huge pharm/insurance companies. Free education allows our young adults to go into the workforce debt free so they don't become indentured servants for the first 20 years of their work life paying back banks who got their money illegally...
Conservatives hate socialists, until they lose their job or someone close to them gets sick and they cant afford the medicine. Then they beg for help and wish we had socialistic views on things in life that are essential...
To that I would say you are a Socialist. I'm not throwing the word around in a derogatory manner. This is textbook thinking that the government can make decisions better than we can make for ourselves based on the efficiency of centralized power. The government IS representative of large business after all.
And about keeping big business here....that horse has already left the barn. This is my point, you can't get blood out of a stone. You have to lower Federal spending and try to get some tax money from the corporations but not deter those of us who are smaller and paying our bills because if I cash out and stop being a believer in this stuff I'll never come back. That superceeds the condition of the "market" in the domestic sense.
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i dont think the government can create wealth or values, but it can guide and encourage them.
people have to cause them.
im not scared of the chinese trying to collect on our debt. we are the consumer base their manufacturing industry thrives on.
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Who would of thought we'd have a pole smoking socialist and a radical Muslim telling us how America should be? Sign of the times. The problem with socialism is it causes massive immigration from the worlds refuse, that want to jump on the dole and pop out kids, while these parasites simultaneously contribute to the degeneration of the host society. Not to mention you have 'natives' like Swede that sit around and nasturbate over Brock Lesnar, to pass the time before their check comes.
The only socialist program I support is subsidized or free education and affordable healthcare. Otherwise taxes should be kept to a minimum.
no i think the problem with socialism is poor management and a lack of complete globalization on the governmental level.
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im not scared of the chinese trying to collect on our debt. we are the consumer base their manufacturing industry thrives on.
Finally you said something right. Otherwise you need to shut up until you get older and gain more life experience. You're an idealistic youngster.
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Our debt keeps going up because the Federal Reserve keeps printing money, and we give the world free security at the expense of the US tax payer. 900 Military bases in 130 countries. its not for our security, its so military companies can keep making money as they have the American citizens living in fear of a boggie man that's trying to get them. Trillions of dollars have been spent on wars, militarism around the world over the past 40 years.
My best friend is a officer in the military. He told me they literally were forced to order 40,000 USD worth of furniture for their base even though it was replaced the year before. They are forced to spend money so they don't lose their budget the next year.
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Finally you said something right. Otherwise you need to shut up until you get older and gain more life experience. You're a idealistic youngster.
i am the definition of idealistic. but im also pragmatic, rational, and practical. you might be suprised to know i once held an internship with a very conservative member of the united states congress.
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I think its funny when people call someone a socialist and think its a negative thing. It just shows your not a greedy selfish person that wants it all for themselves. I think in the US there should be free healthcare, free education, Free healthcare guarantees our citizens are not going bankrupt over illnesses and can spend their money on something productive to society instead of paying it to huge pharm/insurance companies. Free education allows our young adults to go into the workforce debt free so they don't become indentured servants for the first 20 years of their work life paying back banks who got their money illegally...
Conservatives hate socialists, until they lose their job or someone close to them gets sick and they cant afford the medicine. Then they beg for help and wish we had socialistic views on things in life that are essential...
I agree that education and healthcare should be affordable, but otherwise taxes should be kept to a minimum. Socialism encourages lameness. If we provide housing and services for everyone, we'll have 1% of people paying for the pitiful lame existence of a few. People used to survive just fine without government. Go out and live off the land if you can't hack it in society! You're not entitled to a house.
The reason I think affordable education is a good idea is because at least then everyone will have the oppourtunity to be the best they can be. But if they fail the rest of us shouldn't be supporting their lame asses.
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The government allows banks to hold our citizens hostage.
Chinese wont need to collect. When the Renminbi becomes the world reserve currency they will have us by the balls... Also, the US will not be their biggest customer in the next decade.
i dont think the government can create wealth or values, but it can guide and encourage them.
people have to cause them.
im not scared of the chinese trying to collect on our debt. we are the consumer base their manufacturing industry thrives on.
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Our debt keeps going up because the Federal Reserve keeps printing money, and we give the world free security at the expense of the US tax payer. 900 Military bases in 130 countries. its not for our security, its so military companies can keep making money as they have the American citizens living in fear of a boggie man that's trying to get them. Trillions of dollars have been spent on wars, militarism around the world over the past 40 years.
My best friend is a officer in the military. He told me they literally were forced to order 40,000 USD worth of furniture for their base even though it was replaced the year before. They are forced to spend money so they don't lose their budget the next year.
I am also close to military people, and you're absolutely right--the corruption is rampant!
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The government allows banks to hold our citizens hostage.
Chinese wont need to collect. When the Renminbi becomes the world reserve currency they will have us by the balls... Also, the US will not be their biggest customer in the next decade.
the world currency will not change untill we become solvent and pay off our debt.
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right.
what we need now is more spending, not less.
but unlike alot democrats, i dont approve of tax hikes at the moment.
the economy should be our number one concern. we can worry about balancing the budget later.
as for responsibility... its a systemic issue going back a hundred years or more. not the fault of any one individual or idealogy.
LOL, at Tay-tay, banging on like he is some well informed political pundit, who has his finger on the pulse/a valid opinion.
Too funny :D
PT
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I just dont think health and education should be a "for profit industry".. Take Canada. People say such horrible things about their system, but their citizens live longer than we do... Its that the point of healthcare, to live longer?
The way out system is, its rigged so the top 1% make it all and the rest make just enough to survive.
I agree that education and healthcare should be affordable, but otherwise taxes should be kept to a minimum. Socialism encourages lameness. If we provide housing and services for everyone, we'll have 1% of people paying for the pitiful lame existence of a few. People used to survive just fine without government. Go out and live off the land if you can't hack it in society! You're not entitled to a house.
The reason I think affordable education is a good idea is because at least then everyone will have the oppourtunity to be the best they can be. But if they fail the rest of us shouldn't be supporting their lame asses.
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the world currency will not change untill we become solvent and pay off our debt.
Gee, no one told us!! We are paying for our oil from Iran in Gold right now (have been for a while).
Some people do NOT want $$'s - & is it just Iran??
PT
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I just dont think health and education should be a "for profit industry".. Take Canada. People say such horrible things about their system, but their citizens live longer than we do... Its that the point of healthcare, to live longer?
The way out system is, its rigged so the top 1% make it all and the rest make just enough to survive.
would be good to have a public option alongside private insurance companies.
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Its already in the process of changing. A good friend of mines family owns many banks in Asia. They told me they have already been told by the Chinese government to slowly get rid of US Dollars as the US dollar is going to lose the world reserve status in the next couple years. China and Japan signed the largest trade agreement in world history last month. In that agreement it boldly says "Will not trade in US Dollars"... The US dollar is being devalued by the Fed daily, this is making every central bank that holds US dollars lose their value on a daily basis.
the world currency will not change untill we become solvent and pay off our debt.
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i am the definition of idealistic. but im also pragmatic, rational, and practical. you might be suprised to know i once held an internship with a very conservative member of the united states congress.
You did not inlude your strongest charecter trait = delusional
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Its already in the process of changing. A good friend of mines family owns many banks in Asia. They told me they have already been told by the Chinese government to slowly get rid of US Dollars as the US dollar is going to lose the world reserve status in the next couple years. China and Japan signed the largest trade agreement in world history last month. In that agreement it boldly says "Will not trade in US Dollars"... The US dollar is being devalued by the Fed daily, this is making every central bank that holds US dollars lose their value on a daily basis.
no ones going to change currency while they remain so heavily invested in the states.
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In the end Socialism is just a theory, thus my disclaimer...people who can't argue their point throw that around as a buzzword.
In reality to me you are either a contributing citizen or not in this country, and when we have more dead weight than contributors the money tree will shrivel up and die. You guys argue endless benefit but where does the money come from? China? How long will that last? You are begging for a master to run your life for some comfort and assurance that "mean and greedy" people won't make a buck off of you to better their own lives(what made us #1 in the world)....while the President weakens us further by allowing big money to march on as planned, distracting us with class war and racial themes.
And yes, I believe in some law of the jungle in my capitalism. When I get old I may need some assistance, and I'll take it....but I know I paid my way in. I would argue that interjecting feelings of victimization into the government dynamic since the late 60s is responsible for most of the legislation that has us where we are now economically.
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I just dont think health and education should be a "for profit industry".. Take Canada. People say such horrible things about their system, but their citizens live longer than we do... Its that the point of healthcare, to live longer?
The way out system is, its rigged so the top 1% make it all and the rest make just enough to survive.
Those are the only things I agree with as far as socialism goes! I'm hesitant to say education should be free though, because investing your own money in your own future shows that you have a very important trait-- the ability to delay gratification--which means youre much more likely to complete your degree. Otherwise we'd have a bunch of people going just because it's free, flunking out, wasting time and money! Is education too expensive? Yes! It should be far cheaper, and available to most people. Free? No.
Same with healthcare. It should be subsidized. The humane part of me doesn't like the idea of a family doing well for themselves, only to have someone fall deathly I'll and they have to mortgage the house to pay for cancer meds!
Bottom line is you should be able to contribute just enough money to show you have the will and desire to take care of yourself. I don't believe in babying people that don't put in any effort, while they simultaneously flip off the society that feeds them. Housing should not be subsidized. You want a house build one. The Indians lived in teepees, Eskimos lived in igloos... Etc.
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In the end Socialism is just a theory, thus my disclaimer...people who can't argue their point throw that around as a buzzword.
In reality to me you are either a contributing citizen or not in this country, and when we have more dead weight than contributors the money tree will shrivel up and die. You guys argue endless benefit but where does the money come from? China? How long will that last? You are begging for a master to run your life for some comfort and assurance that "mean and greedy" people won't make a buck off of you to better their own lives(what made us #1 in the world)....while the President weakens us further by allowing big money to march on as planned, distracting us with class war and racial themes.
And yes, I believe in some law of the jungle in my capitalism. When I get old I may need some assistance, and I'll take it....but I know I paid my way in. I would argue that interjecting feelings of victimization into the government dynamic since the late 60s is responsible for most of the legislation that has us where we are now economically.
your addressing something very different than what we were talking about.
i understand your sentiment. and i sympathize. you might be interested to know that in marx' communist manifesto he states that everyone would HAVE to work, or else theyd go hungry. not that im espousing communism.
socialism isnt about government entitlements, its about regulating big business so that the worlds resources are ebing put to their best use, workers and consumers are being treated fairly, and no one profits excessively.
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The end result of socialism is this: the population that doesnt pay in to society inevitably out breeds the 50% (due to lack of delayed gratification, education, etc) that are paying for their existence. In order for them to continue to pay for this continually growing underclass, they have to earn more money, which means the gap grows creating class envy, and ultimately the dissolution of society.
Who the fuck can't take care of themselves? You need the government to pay for your kids and put a roof over your head? The terms alpha and beta get thrown around here a lot. Well there's nothing more beta than that!
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The end result of socialism is this: the population that doesnt pay in to society inevitably out breeds the 50% (due to lack of delayed gratification, education, etc) that are paying for their existence. In order for them to continue to pay for this continually growing underclass, they have to earn more money, which means the gap grows creating class envy, and ultimately the dissolution of society.
Who the fuck can't take care of themselves? You need the government to pay for your kids and put a roof over your head? The terms alpha and beta get thrown around here a lot. Well there's nothing more beta than that!
you can have a socialist economy with zero entitlements. socialism isnt about entitlements.
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I see nothing not on topic in my post.
And if you want the kind of service you get at the DMV involved in teaching higher education and medical services go for it, haha.
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your addressing something very different than what we were talking about.
i understand your sentiment. and i sympathize. you might be interested to know that in marx' communist manifesto he states that everyone would HAVE to work, or else theyd go hungry. not that im espousing communism.
socialism isnt about government entitlements, its about regulating big business so that the worlds resources are ebing put to their best use, workers and consumers are being treated fairly, and no one profits excessively.
If you read Marx you'd know that real socialism leads to communism dumbass. How are the few that pay for the many going to pay when the many keeps growing??? The population keeps rising and people like you want to enact policy that will encourage all these people to immigrate and jump on the dole. The only way they can pay is if they make more money=more taxes to pay for the increasing number of beta males. This creates a bigger gap which lead to increased envy and then revolution. People don't like getting handouts, because it reminds them that they're beta males that need to be taken care of--handouts fuel resentment.
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The end result of socialism is this: the population that doesnt pay in to society inevitably out breeds the 50% (due to lack of delayed gratification, education, etc) that are paying for their existence. In order for them to continue to pay for this continually growing underclass, they have to earn more money, which means the gap grows creating class envy, and ultimately the dissolution of society.
Who the fuck can't take care of themselves? You need the government to pay for your kids and put a roof over your head? The terms alpha and beta get thrown around here a lot. Well there's nothing more beta than that!
This. I take a lot of pride in my work ethic, that's how I was raised and why I'm pissed about the taxation issues.
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nobodys talking about supporting people who dont work. at least i wasnt. personally i dont believe in welfare, though i do believe in homeless shelters and food stamps.
theres no reason the government cant provide a public option for healthcare. usps is a reliable service. and education, maybe waivers are a good idea, but education through phd should be free for everyone if they can passs entrance exams and are staying caught up with their work. the return on investment makes it more than worth it.
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USPS is reliably bankrupt. You can't have it all ways dude. Money in, money out.
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If you read Marx you'd know that real socialism leads to communism dumbass. How are the few that pay for the many going to pay when the many keeps growing??? The population keeps rising and people like you want to enact policy that will encourage all these people to immigrate and jump on the dole. The only way they can pay is if they make more money=more taxes to pay for the increasing number of beta males. This creates a bigger gap which lead to increased envy and then revolution. People don't like getting handouts, because it reminds them that they're beta males that need to be taken care of--handouts fuel resentment.
more like the failure of communism on the global stage led to socialism. socialism doesnt have to lead to communism. i think most people realize communism is a pipedream unworkable in the real world.
in socialism there doesnt even have to be any taxes. it could just simply be regulation on production. the free market takes care of everything else if you let it.
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This. I take a lot of pride in my work ethic, that's how I was raised and why I'm pissed about the taxation issues.
Yes because you're a man that can handle your business.
Ironically bodybuilding is supposed to be a manly pursuit, but there seem to be a lot of girls here that can't support themselves. Theres nothing manly about sitting around all day working out and looking at yourself in the mirror until you collect your government check and spend it all on supps and Nike
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more like the failure of communism on the global stage led to socialism. socialism doesnt have to lead to communism. i think most people realize communism is a pipedream unworkable in the real world.
in socialism there doesnt even have to be any taxes. it could just simply be regulation on production. the free market takes care of everything else if you let it.
Food stamps? How about the government creating work for food programs and upon completion you get a small tent. Why not? Indians had to hunt and work for their food.
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Food stamps? How about the government creating work for food programs and upon completion you get a small tent. Why not? Indians had to hunt and work for their food.
have them doing what kind of work? would parents be required to do so? if so, what happens to their children when they are at work? what about those incapable of working, the mentally/physically diabled and senior citizens? i could get behind that kind of idea if you take everything into consideration
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Public works--building roads, libraries, etc. whatever local government needs. Also the government should pay people that can't take care of themselves if they agree to become sterilized, only then will they receive any benefits. People that are injured or older will be tasked with stationary jobs. Some people will be tasked to watch the kids of others so they will be free to work.
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sounds good except sterilization. lmao
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I am sort of surprised how many support some of these views on here but schools have been teaching kids about how the big bad USA victimizes people for some time now. They just keep interjecting emotional need or payback into what we expect from government. I'm not saying everything is perfect or that I have absolutes as I've been around both sides a bit...but I do believe the USA was a better place to live in the past than it is now which is crazy given the great tech we have. The government is corrupt and perverse and half of people are really different from the other half.....so in 5 years I'll probably be growing my own food somewhere remote off the grid, haha.
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I am sort of surprised how many support some of these views on here but schools have been teaching kids about how the big bad USA victimizes people for some time now. They just keep interjecting emotional need or payback into what we expect from government. I'm not saying everything is perfect or that I have absolutes as I've been around both sides a bit...but I do believe the USA was a better place to live in the past than it is now which is crazy given the great tech we have. The government is corrupt and perverse and half of people are really different from the other half.....so in 5 years I'll probably be growing my own food somewhere remote off the grid, haha.
Dude, that's my ultimate goal. I'd love to be entirely self sufficient living off grid. And yeah I agree, the groundworks for these changes were laid by the social Marxist in the 60s. It's been downhill ever since then. Hopefully technology will outpace the decline; it's a close race.
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Yes because you're a man that can handle your business.
Ironically bodybuilding is supposed to be a manly pursuit, but there seem to be a lot of girls here that can't support themselves. Theres nothing manly about sitting around all day working out and looking at yourself in the mirror until you collect your government check and spend it all on supps and Nike
Don't talk about white trash, blacks, and mexicans this way ;D
Yo can't wait for dem air jordans ya heard :D
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What he means is the debt is inconsequential as long as nobody has the balls to come collect.
And he's right, the debt is not Obama's fault at all. Lot's of things Obama can be blamed for, that ain't one of them.
inconsequential? ::)
we are paying the interest on the debt all the time, to China other nations and institutions. and America was downgraded from AAA status which means the conditions of loans will suck substantially.
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I've fucking had it with you. I'm going nag the FUCK out of Ron till you're gone and ip banned for good. Quit stalking me queer.o
You have stalked me yet again, I post and you then post some rampaging response.
If this quote get's you so mad I don't know what is wrong? The Church would endorse that statement, so what is your problem with it?
"that is good, greed is bad, we need to limit what people make and want in this society, this society is focused on material goods that doesn't make you happy."
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6th grade government class people, or did everyone drop out of school in the 5th grade?
Did we become a monarchy in the past 3 years, or do we have a system that has 535 members of CONGRESS that might have something to do with this...
con-gress not progress 8)
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inconsequential? ::)
we are paying the interest on the debt all the time, to China other nations and institutions. and America was downgraded from AAA status which means the conditions of loans will suck substantially.
credit rating agencies are, for the most part, a big heaping pile of dogshit