great statement by tbombz , the biggest obama supporter

[tbombz]

i am a socialist.

discussing economic policy is tricky because most idealogies, at least mine, are based on a closed system.

when taking into considerration the global market things become more complicated.

i do think taxes should be low at the moment, on everyone.

but i dont agree with cutting federal spending. if it takes 10, 20, or 50 years for us to pay it back.. thats cool with me. and it should be with everyone else as well.  the global economy depends on our eonomy, our debt holders are interested in keeping us solvent and prosperus.


the solution is more complicated than just taxing and regulation though. it goes down to education and family values as well.

[SOMEPARTS]

Well, at least an admission of wanting it all ways is being truthful. The problem is who our debt is going to, it's not going to be our call how long until we pay...it's going to be sooner than we want and when we are weaker than we are now...period. And it's our fault we take an easy way out with a loan from a country with such horrible human values. That horse is out of the barn as well. I believe the government has about as much power to create wealth as to legislate family value. I'm no 80s era Pat Buchanan but I am very cynical.

[A Professional]

Who would of thought we'd have a pole smoking socialist and a radical Muslim telling us how America should be? Sign of the times. The problem with socialism is it causes massive immigration from the worlds refuse, that want to jump on the dole and pop out kids, while these parasites simultaneously contribute to the degeneration of the host society. Not to mention you have 'natives' like Swede that sit around and nasturbate over Brock Lesnar, to pass the time before their check comes.

The only socialist program I support is subsidized or free education and affordable healthcare. Otherwise taxes should be kept to a minimum.

[Busted]

I think its funny when people call someone a socialist and think its a negative thing.  It just shows your not a greedy selfish person that wants it all for themselves.  I think in the US there should be free healthcare, free education,   Free healthcare guarantees our citizens are not going bankrupt over illnesses and can spend their money on something productive to society instead of paying it to huge pharm/insurance companies.  Free education allows our young adults to go into the workforce debt free so they don't become indentured servants for the first 20 years of their work life paying back banks who got their money illegally...

Conservatives hate socialists, until they lose their job or someone close to them gets sick and they cant afford the medicine. Then they beg for help and wish we had socialistic views on things in life that are essential...

To that I would say you are a Socialist. I'm not throwing the word around in a derogatory manner. This is textbook thinking that the government can make decisions better than we can make for ourselves based on the efficiency of centralized power. The government IS representative of large business after all.

And about keeping big business here....that horse has already left the barn. This is my point, you can't get blood out of a stone. You have to lower Federal spending and try to get some tax money from the corporations but not deter those of us who are smaller and paying our bills because if I cash out and stop being a believer in this stuff I'll never come back. That superceeds the condition of the "market" in the domestic sense.

[tbombz]

i dont think the government can create wealth or values, but it can guide and encourage them.

people have to cause them.

im not scared of the chinese trying to collect on our debt. we are the consumer base their manufacturing industry thrives on.

[tbombz]

Who would of thought we'd have a pole smoking socialist and a radical Muslim telling us how America should be? Sign of the times. The problem with socialism is it causes massive immigration from the worlds refuse, that want to jump on the dole and pop out kids, while these parasites simultaneously contribute to the degeneration of the host society. Not to mention you have 'natives' like Swede that sit around and nasturbate over Brock Lesnar, to pass the time before their check comes.

The only socialist program I support is subsidized or free education and affordable healthcare. Otherwise taxes should be kept to a minimum.

no i think the problem with socialism is poor management and a lack of complete globalization on the governmental level.

[A Professional]

im not scared of the chinese trying to collect on our debt. we are the consumer base their manufacturing industry thrives on.

Finally you said something right. Otherwise you need to shut up until you get older and gain more life experience. You're an idealistic youngster.

[Busted]

Our debt keeps going up because the Federal Reserve keeps printing money, and we give the world free security at the expense of the US tax payer.  900 Military bases in 130 countries.  its not for our security, its so military companies can keep making money as they have the American citizens living in fear of a boggie man that's trying to get them. Trillions of dollars have been spent on wars, militarism around the world over the past 40 years.  

My best friend is a officer in the military.  He told me they literally were forced to order 40,000 USD worth of furniture for their base even though it was replaced the year before.  They are forced to spend money so they don't lose their budget the next year.

[tbombz]

Finally you said something right. Otherwise you need to shut up until you get older and gain more life experience. You're a idealistic youngster.

i am the definition of idealistic. but im also pragmatic, rational, and practical. you might be suprised to know i once held an internship with a very conservative member of the united states congress.

[A Professional]

I think its funny when people call someone a socialist and think its a negative thing.  It just shows your not a greedy selfish person that wants it all for themselves.  I think in the US there should be free healthcare, free education,   Free healthcare guarantees our citizens are not going bankrupt over illnesses and can spend their money on something productive to society instead of paying it to huge pharm/insurance companies.  Free education allows our young adults to go into the workforce debt free so they don't become indentured servants for the first 20 years of their work life paying back banks who got their money illegally...

Conservatives hate socialists, until they lose their job or someone close to them gets sick and they cant afford the medicine. Then they beg for help and wish we had socialistic views on things in life that are essential...

I agree that education and healthcare should be affordable, but otherwise taxes should be kept to a minimum. Socialism encourages lameness. If we provide housing and services for everyone, we'll have 1% of people paying for the pitiful lame existence of a few. People used to survive just fine without government. Go out and live off the land if you can't hack it in society! You're not entitled to a house.

The reason I think affordable education is a good idea is because at least then everyone will have the oppourtunity to be the best they can be. But if they fail the rest of us shouldn't be supporting their lame asses.

[Busted]

The government allows banks to hold our citizens hostage.  

Chinese wont need to collect.  When the Renminbi becomes the world reserve currency they will have us by the balls... Also, the US will not be their biggest customer in the next decade.  

i dont think the government can create wealth or values, but it can guide and encourage them.

people have to cause them.

im not scared of the chinese trying to collect on our debt. we are the consumer base their manufacturing industry thrives on.

[A Professional]

Our debt keeps going up because the Federal Reserve keeps printing money, and we give the world free security at the expense of the US tax payer.  900 Military bases in 130 countries.  its not for our security, its so military companies can keep making money as they have the American citizens living in fear of a boggie man that's trying to get them. Trillions of dollars have been spent on wars, militarism around the world over the past 40 years.  

My best friend is a officer in the military.  He told me they literally were forced to order 40,000 USD worth of furniture for their base even though it was replaced the year before.  They are forced to spend money so they don't lose their budget the next year.

I am also close to military people, and you're absolutely right--the corruption is rampant!

[tbombz]

The government allows banks to hold our citizens hostage.  

Chinese wont need to collect.  When the Renminbi becomes the world reserve currency they will have us by the balls... Also, the US will not be their biggest customer in the next decade.  

the world currency will not change untill we become solvent and pay off our debt.

[pillowtalk]

right.


what we need now is more spending, not less.

but unlike alot democrats,  i dont approve of tax hikes at the moment.

the economy should be our number one concern. we can worry about balancing the budget later.


as for responsibility... its a systemic issue going back a hundred years or more. not the fault of any one individual or idealogy.

LOL, at Tay-tay, banging on like he is some well informed political pundit, who has his finger on the pulse/a valid opinion.
Too funny 

PT

[Busted]

I just dont think health and education should be a "for profit industry"..  Take Canada.  People say such horrible things about their system, but their citizens live longer than we do... Its that the point of healthcare, to live longer?  

The way out system is, its rigged so the top 1% make it all and the rest make just enough to survive.  

I agree that education and healthcare should be affordable, but otherwise taxes should be kept to a minimum. Socialism encourages lameness. If we provide housing and services for everyone, we'll have 1% of people paying for the pitiful lame existence of a few. People used to survive just fine without government. Go out and live off the land if you can't hack it in society! You're not entitled to a house.

The reason I think affordable education is a good idea is because at least then everyone will have the oppourtunity to be the best they can be. But if they fail the rest of us shouldn't be supporting their lame asses.

[pillowtalk]

the world currency will not change untill we become solvent and pay off our debt.

Gee, no one told us!! We are paying for our oil from Iran in Gold right now (have been for a while).
Some people do NOT want $$'s - & is it just Iran??

PT

[tbombz]

I just dont think health and education should be a "for profit industry"..  Take Canada.  People say such horrible things about their system, but their citizens live longer than we do... Its that the point of healthcare, to live longer?  

The way out system is, its rigged so the top 1% make it all and the rest make just enough to survive.  

would be good to have a public option alongside private insurance companies.

[Busted]

Its already in the process of changing.  A good friend of mines family owns many banks in Asia. They told me they have already been told by the Chinese government to slowly get rid of US Dollars as the US dollar is going to lose the world reserve status in the next couple years. China and Japan signed the largest trade agreement in world history last month.  In that agreement it boldly says "Will not trade in US Dollars"...   The US dollar is being devalued by the Fed daily, this is making every central bank that holds US dollars lose their value on a daily basis.  

the world currency will not change untill we become solvent and pay off our debt.

[pillowtalk]

i am the definition of idealistic. but im also pragmatic, rational, and practical. you might be suprised to know i once held an internship with a very conservative member of the united states congress.

You did not inlude your strongest charecter trait = delusional
 
PT

[tbombz]

Its already in the process of changing.  A good friend of mines family owns many banks in Asia. They told me they have already been told by the Chinese government to slowly get rid of US Dollars as the US dollar is going to lose the world reserve status in the next couple years. China and Japan signed the largest trade agreement in world history last month.  In that agreement it boldly says "Will not trade in US Dollars"...   The US dollar is being devalued by the Fed daily, this is making every central bank that holds US dollars lose their value on a daily basis.  

no ones going to change currency while they remain so heavily invested in the states.

[SOMEPARTS]

In the end Socialism is just a theory, thus my disclaimer...people who can't argue their point throw that around as a buzzword.

In reality to me you are either a contributing citizen or not in this country, and when we have more dead weight than contributors the money tree will shrivel up and die. You guys argue endless benefit but where does the money come from? China? How long will that last? You are begging for a master to run your life for some comfort and assurance that "mean and greedy" people won't make a buck off of you to better their own lives(what made us #1 in the world)....while the President weakens us further by allowing big money to march on as planned, distracting us with class war and racial themes.

And yes, I believe in some law of the jungle in my capitalism. When I get old I may need some assistance, and I'll take it....but I know I paid my way in. I would argue that interjecting feelings of victimization into the government dynamic since the late 60s is responsible for most of the legislation that has us where we are now economically.

[A Professional]

I just dont think health and education should be a "for profit industry"..  Take Canada.  People say such horrible things about their system, but their citizens live longer than we do... Its that the point of healthcare, to live longer?  

The way out system is, its rigged so the top 1% make it all and the rest make just enough to survive.  

Those are the only things I agree with as far as socialism goes! I'm hesitant to say education should be free though, because investing your own money in your own future shows that you have a very important trait-- the ability to delay gratification--which means youre much more likely to complete your degree. Otherwise we'd have a bunch of people going just because it's free, flunking out, wasting time and money! Is education too expensive? Yes! It should be far cheaper, and available to most people. Free? No.

Same with healthcare. It should be subsidized. The humane part of me doesn't like the idea of a family doing well for themselves, only to have someone fall deathly I'll and they have to mortgage the house to pay for cancer meds!

Bottom line is you should be able to contribute just enough money to show you have the will and desire to take care of yourself. I don't believe in babying people that don't put in any effort, while they simultaneously flip off the society that feeds them. Housing should not be subsidized. You want a house build one. The Indians lived in teepees, Eskimos lived in igloos... Etc.

[tbombz]

In the end Socialism is just a theory, thus my disclaimer...people who can't argue their point throw that around as a buzzword.

In reality to me you are either a contributing citizen or not in this country, and when we have more dead weight than contributors the money tree will shrivel up and die. You guys argue endless benefit but where does the money come from? China? How long will that last? You are begging for a master to run your life for some comfort and assurance that "mean and greedy" people won't make a buck off of you to better their own lives(what made us #1 in the world)....while the President weakens us further by allowing big money to march on as planned, distracting us with class war and racial themes.

And yes, I believe in some law of the jungle in my capitalism. When I get old I may need some assistance, and I'll take it....but I know I paid my way in. I would argue that interjecting feelings of victimization into the government dynamic since the late 60s is responsible for most of the legislation that has us where we are now economically.

your addressing something very different than what we were talking about.

i understand your sentiment. and i sympathize.  you might be interested to know that in marx' communist manifesto he states that everyone would HAVE to work, or else theyd go hungry.  not that im espousing communism.

socialism isnt about government entitlements, its about regulating big business so that the worlds resources are ebing put to their best use, workers and consumers are being treated fairly, and no one profits excessively.

[A Professional]

The end result of socialism is this: the population that doesnt pay in to society inevitably out breeds the 50% (due to lack of delayed gratification, education, etc) that are paying for their existence. In order for them to continue to pay for this continually growing underclass, they have to earn more money, which means the gap grows creating class envy, and ultimately the dissolution of society.

Who the fuck can't take care of themselves? You need the government to pay for your kids and put a roof over your head? The terms alpha and beta get thrown around here a lot. Well there's nothing more beta than that!

[tbombz]

The end result of socialism is this: the population that doesnt pay in to society inevitably out breeds the 50% (due to lack of delayed gratification, education, etc) that are paying for their existence. In order for them to continue to pay for this continually growing underclass, they have to earn more money, which means the gap grows creating class envy, and ultimately the dissolution of society.

Who the fuck can't take care of themselves? You need the government to pay for your kids and put a roof over your head? The terms alpha and beta get thrown around here a lot. Well there's nothing more beta than that!

you can have a socialist economy with zero entitlements. socialism isnt about entitlements.