Author Topic: The ABBF is suspended by the IFBB : CORRUPTION ? (Read 124062 times)

LMV · « **Reply #75 on:** April 08, 2009, 07:47:02 AM »

Today we received one more letter from the IFBB-EFBB Finance official.
That is the answer to the question we are discussing in many International Forums for years.

LMV · « **Reply #76 on:** April 08, 2009, 07:48:53 AM »

Three years living newly created EFBB-IFBB Spain (playing as it is “International” but in fact not…) had no meetings at all.
All decide RAFAEL SANTONJA only!

LMV · « **Reply #77 on:** April 08, 2009, 07:51:09 AM »

Who are the naive believers in the INTERNATIONAL FEDERATION?
It was the private IFBB Canada, now it is private IFBB Spain…
Are You members of private Canada and Spain corporations?

LMV · « **Reply #78 on:** April 08, 2009, 07:53:43 AM »

Under the leadership of RAFAEL SANTONJA Secretly from all EFBB-IFBB members a private Corporation of the four private representatives of the IFBB UK, France and Spain was registered.
The IFBB-EFBB sport members were waving with their national flags, and these Corporation was making money of all of them.
The main IFBB-EFBB finance officer claims for the investigation.

lovemonkey · « **Reply #79 on:** April 08, 2009, 07:56:43 AM »

Epic shit going down.

LMV · « **Reply #80 on:** April 08, 2009, 08:04:10 AM »

Quote from: lovemonkey on April 08, 2009, 07:56:43 AM

Epic shit going down.

Definitely, keeps getting better and better.

From Paul Chua

Quote

DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN THE ABBF
I FEEL IT IS MY DUTY TO MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND AS TO WHY THE "IFBB" IS ACTING DESPERATELY TO REMOVE ME AND TO SUSPEND ALL OUR ABBF EXECUTIVE MEMBERS FOR ONE YEAR AS PER THE CIRCULAR LETTER SENT BY ADEL FAHIM, "EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT TO THE IFBB PRESIDENT" A COPY OF WHICH I HAVE WITH ME WRITTEN IN ARABIC AND TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH.
ANOTHER LETTER WAS SENT BY WILLIAM TIERNEY AS WELL.
RAFAEL AVOIDED IN SENDING THIS EMAIL AS HE KNOW THE SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES INVOLVED.
HE CANNOT SIMPLY SUSPEND A CONTINENTAL FEDERATION, SINCE THEIR HOUSE IS NOT IN ORDER AND THEY HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER US, WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT THEM.
ABBF UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORTED BY MANY ASIAN COUNTRIES, AND IF A COMMITTEE IS FORMED BY RAFAEL'S GROUP WE WILL ELIMINATE THEM.
WE HAVE SPOKEN TO OUR LAWYERS IN LONDON AND THEY HAVE ASKED US TO CONTINUE WITH OUR WORK, AND IF RAFAEL AND HIS GROUP DISTURB US WE WILL TAKE LEGAL ACTION, THEY CANNOT DICTATATE AS WE HAD ALREADY PROCEEDED WITH OUR LEGAL PROCEEDINGS LAST MONTH.
THERE WAS NO NATURAL JUSTICE AND NO FAIR HEARING GIVEN TO ALL OF US.
IN THIS DEMOCRATIC AND CIVILISED WORLD NO INTERNATIONAL FEDERATION WILL SUSPEND A CONTINENTAL FEDERATION OR ITS EXECUTIVE MEMBERS WITHOUT A FAIR HEARING.
THEY SUSPENDED US BECAUSE OF THE 2005 DOPING CASES.
WE DID SUSPEND ALL THE ATHLETES AND EXCEPT FOR THE 3 HONGKONG ATHLETES THEIR SUSPENSION WERE REDUCED FROM 2 YEARS TO A YEAR WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE LATE BEN WEIDER AND THE IFBB. WE HAVE A LETTER FROM THE LATE BEN WEIDER TO PROVE. IFBB ALSO REDUCED THE SUSPENSION OF 2 ATHLETES FROM QATAR BY ACCEPTING US$10,000 FOR EACH OFFENCE FROM 2 YEARS TO 8 MONTHS. I HAVE ALL THE PAPERS WITH ME TO SHOW PROOF.
ABBF WILL NOT BE THE SERVANT OF THE "IFBB" NO MATTER WHAT, WE WILL CONTINUE WITH OUR DUTY AND ACTIVITIES AS USUAL AND WE WILL ORGANISE OUR CHAMPIONSHIPS ON OUR OWN TO PROMOTE THIS SPORT.
I WOULD CALL UPON YOU TO STAND STRONG AND DO NOT GIVE WAY TO PRESSURE BECAUSE THIS "IFBB GROUP" IS STILL IN LIMBO BETWEEN HEAVEN AND HELL, AND THEY HAVE NOT PICKED THE COURAGE TO REPLY THE EMAIL WHICH MR. AXEL BAUER SENT TO THEM.
WHY?
THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE ACCOUNTS OF THE IFBB.
AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE IFBB CORPORATION IS NOT THE SAME AS PUBLISHED IN THEIR WEBSITE???
BE BRAVE AND STAND TALL AGAINST THEIR THREATS AND SUSPENSIONS ..
WE CANNOT BE COWED AROUND.
PLEASE READ THE LETTER SHOWN BELOW AND DIGEST SO THAT YOU WILL KNOW THE ACTUAL REASON WHY MR. RAFAEL SANTONJA IS NOT ANSWERING?
THE IFBB WAS REGISTERED UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME AND ALSO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE IFBB AND THE REGISTERED CORPORATIONS ARE NOT THE SAME.
THIS IS A BUSINESS CORPORATION.
RAFAEL IS SILENCING ME BECAUSE HE IS AFRAID THAT AT THE CONGRESS I WILL CHALLENGE HIM AND HE FEEL THAT BY SUSPENDING ALL MEMBERS OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMIT TE OF THE ABBF , HE CAN DO AS AS HE WISH, NOBODY TO QUESTION HIM.
IF HE IS A BRAVE MAN, HE SHOULD NOT USE THIS DIRTY TACTIC TO SUSPEND ME AND THE ABBF.
THE EXCUSE OF DOPING MATTERS IS A PRETEXT, AND WE WILL WRITE TO WADA AND CHECK IF THIS IS TRUE OR FALSE. IT WAS THE IFFB THAT SET THE PRECEDENT OF REDUCING SUSPENSIONS, AND WE DID WITH THE CONSENT OF THE THE LATE IFBB PRESIDENT AND ALSO RAFAEL AND PAMELA WERE INFORMED. WHY THEY DID NOT OBJECT AT THAT TIME, THEY WENT ALONG WITH THE DECISION WHICH WAS MADE BY BEN.
MORE DOCUMENTS WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU SOON.
WE HAVE SOLID EVIDENCES
IF YOU RECEIVE ANY EMAIL OR LETTER FROM THE" IFBB" PLEASE IGNORE THEM AND CONTACT THE ABBF SECRETARY-GENERAL FOR CLARIFICATION BEFORE YOU REPLY THEM. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN BE UNITED AND STRONG.
IF YOUR OLYMPIC COMMITTEE OR ANY DEPARTMENTS WERE TO CALL YOU FOR EXPLANATIONS, PLEASE SHOW THEM THESE EMAILS AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THE "IFBB" LEGAL STATUS IS IN QUESTION?
AND THEIR FINANCIAL PROBLEM IS IN A MESS.
PRINT OUT ALL THE DOCUMENTS WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN RECEIVING ABOUT THE IFBB LATELY AND HAND OVER TO THEM.
OUR PRESIDENT MR. OSAMA ALSHAFAR HAVE ASKED ME TO TELL YOU THAT WE WILL FIGHT ON WITH THIS DESTRUCTIVE GROUP AND WILL NOT RETREAT.
LONG LIVE ASI
PAUL CHUA
SECRETARY-GENERAL/TREASURER - ABBF

LMV · « **Reply #81 on:** April 08, 2009, 02:29:01 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 07, 2009, 03:59:11 PM

No one knows the subject...thats the point

That's why I'm curious to know just who you believe to be "experts" on the situation?

You've been lying just a little bit now have you Chick ?

Anyhoo, I provided the subject(s) and I think you're smart enough to fill in the blanks as far as "experts/insiders" are concerned.

Meso_z · « **Reply #82 on:** April 08, 2009, 02:44:50 PM »

LMV what do you predict will happen to ebff?

Is it that bad?

240 is Back · « **Reply #83 on:** April 08, 2009, 02:46:57 PM »

wow, how did I miss this thread?

Chick · « **Reply #84 on:** April 08, 2009, 03:01:59 PM »

Quote from: LMV on April 08, 2009, 02:29:01 PM

You've been lying just a little bit now have you Chick ?

Anyhoo, I provided the subject(s) and I think you're smart enough to fill in the blanks as far as "experts/insiders" are concerned.

LOl...Lying? About what?

I think you dont know how the IFBB works, or that The IFBB pro league has nothing to do with this matter...they are two seperate businesses.

timfogarty · « **Reply #85 on:** April 08, 2009, 03:13:18 PM »

Chick, the problem is that we can't really tell when you're speaking as a representative of the IFBB Pro League, or as the athletic representative to the IFBB Pro League, or as a representative of Bodybuilding.com, or as a representative of the NPC, or as a private individual.

Last summer you went on and on about people being suspended by the NPC and putting their pro career at risk by entering a non-IFBB pro contest. which hat were you wearing at that time?

in this forum you've often posted about what Milos and Lee did wrong. that sounds like you're speaking as Manion's representative. Yet I've never seen you post anything that could be considered advocating the athlete's point of view or critical of management.

Chick · « **Reply #86 on:** April 08, 2009, 04:11:09 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on April 08, 2009, 03:13:18 PM

Chick, the problem is that we can't really tell when you're speaking as a representative of the IFBB Pro League, or as the athletic representative to the IFBB Pro League, or as a representative of Bodybuilding.com, or as a representative of the NPC, or as a private individual.

Last summer you went on and on about people being suspended by the NPC and putting their pro career at risk by entering a non-IFBB pro contest. which hat were you wearing at that time?

in this forum you've often posted about what Milos and Lee did wrong. that sounds like you're speaking as Manion's representative. Yet I've never seen you post anything that could be considered advocating the athlete's point of view or critical of management.

First of all...all of the above mentioned titles have nothing to do with IFBB amateur, or AFBB, or anything to do with anything other than IFBB pro league matters. I never even knew who Paul Chua was until this whole matter came to light....

If explaining why the way things work, or bringing clarity to a situation or individual makes me sound like some rep for Manion...so be it.

Every proposal, or change that I've advocated is "critical" of management...or for that matter...the current way things are in the pro league. Of course you've never seen any advocating of athletes or critique of management...you only choose to focus on what you want, and not the facts as they are.

Much like in this matter of the suspension of the AFBB, or Paul Chua, etc....As I've stated a thousand times now...I have no horse in this race, or knowledge of amateur shows overseas.

Need anymore clarification?

chaos · « **Reply #87 on:** April 08, 2009, 04:16:05 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 08, 2009, 04:11:09 PM

Need anymore clarification?

How long until you rep Milos back into the IFBB?

Chick · « **Reply #88 on:** April 08, 2009, 04:19:49 PM »

Quote from: chaos on April 08, 2009, 04:16:05 PM

How long until you rep Milos back into the IFBB?

It's not my call whether or not Milos gets back in, or wants to for that matter...

I did all I could do for Milos, wrote his appeal letter and submitted it...offered on 3 occasions to help him with a subsequent letter applying for re-instatement...

timfogarty · « **Reply #89 on:** April 08, 2009, 04:47:54 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 08, 2009, 04:19:49 PM

I did all I could do for Milos, wrote his appeal letter and submitted it...offered on 3 occasions to help him with a subsequent letter applying for re-instatement...

it seems like your role as athletic rep is to help the athletes kiss up to the powers that be. "I'm sorry for rocking the boat. Please let me back in."

How about advocating that Milos had a valid complaint, that previous accusations that 'followed protocol' were just swept under the rug, and that Milos should not be punished for looking out for the best interest of the athletes and the organization to which they belong.

Chick · « **Reply #90 on:** April 08, 2009, 05:45:04 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on April 08, 2009, 04:47:54 PM

it seems like your role as athletic rep is to help the athletes kiss up to the powers that be. "I'm sorry for rocking the boat. Please let me back in."

How about advocating that Milos had a valid complaint, that previous accusations that 'followed protocol' were just swept under the rug, and that Milos should not be punished for looking out for the best interest of the athletes and the organization to which they belong.

What makes you think I haven't? Because it wasn't posted here on Getbig?

I got news for you, Tim...don't be so niave to think that because you didnt read it here, that it doesn't happen...

What makes you think YOU have any knowledge of what I do, or who I have discussion with concerning matters of the Pro League?

timfogarty · « **Reply #91 on:** April 08, 2009, 05:50:52 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 08, 2009, 05:45:04 PM

What makes you think YOU have any knowledge of what I do, or who I have discussion with concerning matters of the Pro League?

hmmm, hundreds of posts touting the company line. never a post critical of management. lots of posts criticizing other athletes.

does that means that when ever you speak in public you're a representative of the IFBB executive committee, and only in private are you the athletic rep?

Chick · « **Reply #92 on:** April 08, 2009, 06:16:19 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on April 08, 2009, 05:50:52 PM

hmmm, hundreds of posts touting the company line. never a post critical of management. lots of posts criticizing other athletes.

does that means that when ever you speak in public you're a representative of the IFBB executive committee, and only in private are you the athletic rep?

Once again...I dont need posts critiqing management....I make proposals which lead to change for the betterment of the athletes....it's called ACTION.

As for the rest of your drivel...my critique of other athletes are pretty much relegated to two....and that their own actions were the driving force of the resulting suspensions.

What part of that isn't true...?

You're starting to sound as clueless as Basile

dr.chimps · « **Reply #93 on:** April 08, 2009, 06:24:59 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 08, 2009, 06:16:19 PM

You're starting to sound as clueless as Basile

Ouch, man!

NaturalWonder83 · « **Reply #94 on:** April 08, 2009, 06:41:59 PM »

poor bob...when it rains it really pours for mr movie star

bob the coldplay song vida la vida reminds me of what youre going through now:

I used to rule the world
Seas would rise when I gave the word
Now in the morning I sleep alone
Sweep the streets I used to own

I used to roll the dice
Feel the fear in my enemy's eyes
Listen as the crowd would sing:
"Now the old king is dead! Long live the king!"
One minute I held the key
Next the walls were closed on me
And I discovered that my castles stand
Upon pillars of salt, and pillars of sand

I hear Jerusalem bells are ringing
Roman cavalry choirs are singing
Be my mirror my sword and shield
My missionaries in a foreign field
For some reason I can't explain
Once you know there was never, never an honest word
That was when I ruled the world

It was the wicked and wild wind
Blew down the doors to let me in
Shattered windows and the sound of drums
People couldn't believe what I'd become
Revolutionaries wait
For my head on a silver plate
Just a puppet on a lonely string
Oh who would ever want to be king?

I hear Jerusalem bells are ringing
Roman cavalry choirs are singing
Be my mirror my sword and shield
My missionaries in a foreign field
For some reason I can't explain
I know Saint Peter won't call my name
Never an honest work
But that was when I ruled the world
(Ohhhh Ohhh Ohhh)

Hear Jerusalem bells are ringing
Roman cavalry choirs are singing
Be my mirror my sword and shield
My missionaries in a foreign field
For some reason I can't explain
I know Saint Peter will call my name
Never an honest word
But that was when I ruled the world
(Oooooh Oooooh Oooooh)

Chick · « **Reply #95 on:** April 08, 2009, 06:52:44 PM »

Quote from: NaturalWonder83 on April 08, 2009, 06:41:59 PM

poor bob...when it rains it really pours for mr movie star

bob the coldplay song vida la vida reminds me of what youre going through now:

I used to rule the world
Seas would rise when I gave the word
Now in the morning I sleep alone
Sweep the streets I used to own

I used to roll the dice
Feel the fear in my enemy's eyes
Listen as the crowd would sing:
"Now the old king is dead! Long live the king!"
One minute I held the key
Next the walls were closed on me
And I discovered that my castles stand
Upon pillars of salt, and pillars of sand

I hear Jerusalem bells are ringing
Roman cavalry choirs are singing
Be my mirror my sword and shield
My missionaries in a foreign field
For some reason I can't explain
Once you know there was never, never an honest word
That was when I ruled the world

It was the wicked and wild wind
Blew down the doors to let me in
Shattered windows and the sound of drums
People couldn't believe what I'd become
Revolutionaries wait
For my head on a silver plate
Just a puppet on a lonely string
Oh who would ever want to be king?

I hear Jerusalem bells are ringing
Roman cavalry choirs are singing
Be my mirror my sword and shield
My missionaries in a foreign field
For some reason I can't explain
I know Saint Peter won't call my name
Never an honest work
But that was when I ruled the world
(Ohhhh Ohhh Ohhh)

Hear Jerusalem bells are ringing
Roman cavalry choirs are singing
Be my mirror my sword and shield
My missionaries in a foreign field
For some reason I can't explain
I know Saint Peter will call my name
Never an honest word
But that was when I ruled the world
(Oooooh Oooooh Oooooh)

Cool....here is one that describes you to a "T"

I could wile away the hours
Conferrin' with the flowers
Consultin' with the rain
And my head I'd be scratchin'
While my thoughts were busy hatchin'
If I only had a brain

I'd unravel any riddle
For any individ'le
In trouble or in pain

(Dorothy)
With the thoughts you'd be thinkin'
You could be another Lincoln
If you only had a brain

(Scarecrow)
Oh, I would tell you why
The ocean's near the shore
I could think of things I never thunk before
And then I'd sit and think some more

I would not be just a nuffin'
My head all full of stuffin'
My heart all full of pain
I would dance and be merry
Life would be a ding-a-derry
If I only had a brain

NaturalWonder83 · « **Reply #96 on:** April 08, 2009, 07:10:19 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 08, 2009, 06:52:44 PM

Cool....here is one that describes you to a "T"

I could wile away the hours
Conferrin' with the flowers
Consultin' with the rain
And my head I'd be scratchin'
While my thoughts were busy hatchin'
If I only had a brain

I'd unravel any riddle
For any individ'le
In trouble or in pain

(Dorothy)
With the thoughts you'd be thinkin'
You could be another Lincoln
If you only had a brain

(Scarecrow)
Oh, I would tell you why
The ocean's near the shore
I could think of things I never thunk before
And then I'd sit and think some more

I would not be just a nuffin'
My head all full of stuffin'
My heart all full of pain
I would dance and be merry
Life would be a ding-a-derry
If I only had a brain

thats a classic hit bob...def a song from a movie that has stood the test of time

Heres another song that reminds me of you...i believe it was by randy newman:
Short people got no reason
Short people got no reason
Short people got no reason
To live

They got little hands
Little eyes
They walk around
Tellin great big lies (like when u lied about watching pj braun squat)
They got little noses
And tiny little teeth
They wear platform shoes
On their nasty little feet

Well, I dont want no short people
Dont want no short people
Dont want no short people
`round here

Short people are just the same
As you and i
(a fool such as I)
All men are brothers
Until the day they die
(its a wonderful world)

Short people got nobody
Short people got nobody
Short people got nobody
To love

They got little baby legs
That stand so low
You got to pick em up
Just to say hello
They got little cars
That go beep, beep, beep
They got little voices
Goin peep, peep, peep
They got grubby little fingers
And dirty little minds
Theyre gonna get you every time
Well, I dont want no short people
Dont want no short people
Dont want no short people
round here

Tamer Razor · « **Reply #97 on:** April 08, 2009, 07:30:36 PM »

It is extremely interesting that people criticizing Bob are not athletes. The Fact is that Bob goes beyond his duties may I add for FREE to help, not only PRO competitor, but Amateur competitors. Bob has spend thousand of hours advicing,Mentoring,promoting and instituting new rules that help athletes AGAIN on his OWN TIME. It is an insult to criticize a Guy that does so much on daily basis for the sport he loves for free. For God sake he even comes in here...and subjets himself to the most ignorant post for the fans....

chaos · « **Reply #98 on:** April 08, 2009, 08:16:42 PM »

Quote from: Chick on April 08, 2009, 06:16:19 PM

Once again...I dont need posts critiqing management....

Yet you feel you need posts critiquing the actions of the "athletes" you represent? $:-\$

Quote from: EVIL ANGEL on April 08, 2009, 07:30:36 PM

It is extremely interesting that people criticizing Bob are not athletes. The Fact is that Bob goes beyond his duties may I add for FREE to help, not only PRO competitor, but Amateur competitors. Bob has spend thousand of hours advicing,Mentoring,promoting and instituting new rules that help athletes AGAIN on his OWN TIME. It is an insult to criticize a Guy that does so much on daily basis for the sport he loves for free. For God sake he even comes in here...and subjets himself to the most ignorant post for the fans....

If he doesn't want the "athletes rep" position, he should give it to someone who cares about the "athletes", like Milos. It is a volunteer position right? He's not getting paid? I hope.

Chick · « **Reply #99 on:** April 08, 2009, 08:54:34 PM »

Quote from: chaos on April 08, 2009, 08:16:42 PM

Yet you feel you need posts critiquing the actions of the "athletes" you represent? $:-\$

If he doesn't want the "athletes rep" position, he should give it to someone who cares about the "athletes", like Milos.
It is a volunteer position right? He's not getting paid? I hope.

I don't set out and initiate critique of other athletes, it's 99.9% of the time in response to THEIR comments. If you can find unsolicited comments I've made which support your opinion, please feel free to show everyone