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Title: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 10, 2018, 09:52:03 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/trump-has-never-sought-forgiveness/index.html

All you good bible believing Trump supporters, how do you reconcile Trump not bringing god into the equation and he hasn't done anything to ask forgiveness for wrongdoing even though it is common knowledge he has?
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Dos Equis on May 11, 2018, 04:51:17 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/trump-has-never-sought-forgiveness/index.html

All you good bible believing Trump supporters, how do you reconcile Trump not bringing god into the equation and he hasn't done anything to ask forgiveness for wrongdoing even though it is common knowledge he has?

Did you even read this piece of propaganda?   ::)

"I am not sure I have. I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don't think so," he said. "I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't."

Trump said that while he hasn't asked God for forgiveness, he does participate in Holy Communion.

"When I drink my little wine -- which is about the only wine I drink -- and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of asking for forgiveness, and I do that as often as possible because I feel cleansed," he said. "I think in terms of 'let's go on and let's make it right.'"

Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 11, 2018, 05:10:43 PM
Did you even read this piece of propaganda?   ::)

"I am not sure I have. I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don't think so," he said. "I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't."

Trump said that while he hasn't asked God for forgiveness, he does participate in Holy Communion.

"When I drink my little wine -- which is about the only wine I drink -- and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of asking for forgiveness, and I do that as often as possible because I feel cleansed," he said. "I think in terms of 'let's go on and let's make it right.'"



I did.. and nothing he said indicates he has any idea about the Gospel, and the basics of Christianity. In fact, it opposes the basic premise of Christianity
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Dos Equis on May 11, 2018, 05:29:02 PM
I did.. and nothing he said indicates he has any idea about the Gospel, and the basics of Christianity. In fact, it opposes the basic premise of Christianity

A basic tenant of Christianity is repentance, which means turning away.  That's exactly what he said he does.  This is stupid.  Especially coming from an atheist.  Why do you care?  You don't believe in God or "the Gospel." 
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 11, 2018, 05:42:56 PM
A basic tenant of Christianity is repentance, which means turning away.  That's exactly what he said he does.  This is stupid.  Especially coming from an atheist.  Why do you care?  You don't believe in God or "the Gospel." 

The basic premise of Christianity is that all humans have sinned, all fall short of the glory of God. You can't "turn away from sin,", you can't be "good enough" to get into heaven. Asking forgiveness and humbling yourselg to god is one of the two main tenants. The other is accepting Jesus as your personal savior. Trump says ""I like to be good. I don't like to have to ask for forgiveness. And I am good. I don't do a lot of things that are bad. I try to do nothing that is bad." which flies in the face of Christianity. He is saying that he does no wrong, therefore he doesn't need to ask for forgiveness. Don't just take my word for it, ask around
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Dos Equis on May 11, 2018, 06:25:56 PM
The basic premise of Christianity is that all humans have sinned, all fall short of the glory of God. You can't "turn away from sin,", you can't be "good enough" to get into heaven. Asking forgiveness and humbling yourselg to god is one of the two main tenants. The other is accepting Jesus as your personal savior. Trump says ""I like to be good. I don't like to have to ask for forgiveness. And I am good. I don't do a lot of things that are bad. I try to do nothing that is bad." which flies in the face of Christianity. He is saying that he does no wrong, therefore he doesn't need to ask for forgiveness. Don't just take my word for it, ask around

Wrong.  The definition of repentance includes turning away from sin. 

One of the main tenants of Christianity is not judging people.  I know you like to use Google to look up Bible verses.  Look that one up.  Perhaps it will help you stop judging Trump and the people who support him.  Especially since you seem to be so interested in Christianity. 
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 11, 2018, 06:33:15 PM
Wrong.  The definition of repentance includes turning away from sin. 

One of the main tenants of Christianity is not judging people.  I know you like to use Google to look up Bible verses.  Look that one up.  Perhaps it will help you stop judging Trump and the people who support him.  Especially since you seem to be so interested in Christianity. 

OK, I see you are in an area you aren't all that knowledgeable about.. I think our conversation on this has gone as far as it can.
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: chaos on May 11, 2018, 06:38:05 PM
You've gone so far antiTrump that you're bashing him about whether or not he's asked for forgiveness.
LMAO!
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 11, 2018, 06:42:28 PM
You've gone so far antiTrump that you're bashing him about whether or not he's asked for forgiveness.
LMAO!

I'll type slow so you can follow... Trump carries the Evangelicals. Yet he isn't a christian. You can tell he is not because of his life, and because when asked, he obviously didn't have the faintest idea what Christianity was. That he says he doesn't do anything to ask forgiveness for says it all. It was a simple question, all he had to do was say yes, I ask god for forgiveness like any christian would.. yet he could not bring himself to do it. But his followers are willing to pretend just about anything because he currently has an "R" after his name

Oh.. I forgot... LMAO!  ::)
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Dos Equis on May 11, 2018, 06:52:11 PM
OK, I see you are in an area you aren't all that knowledgeable about.. I think our conversation on this has gone as far as it can.

You are such a fraud.  Every time you get backed into a corner you declare the conversation over.  Friggin poser.  lol.  Go find a local church and take some Bible studies. 
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Dos Equis on May 11, 2018, 06:53:05 PM
I'll type slow so you can follow... Trump carries the Evangelicals. Yet he isn't a christian. You can tell he is not because of his life, and because when asked, he obviously didn't have the faintest idea what Christianity was. That he says he doesn't do anything to ask forgiveness for says it all. It was a simple question, all he had to do was say yes, I ask god for forgiveness like any christian would.. yet he could not bring himself to do it. But his followers are willing to pretend just about anything because he currently has an "R" after his name

Oh.. I forgot... LMAO!  ::)

Go back to Google and find Bible verses that talk about judging people. 
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Dos Equis on May 11, 2018, 06:53:50 PM
You've gone so far antiTrump that you're bashing him about whether or not he's asked for forgiveness.
LMAO!

Right?  Agnostic has a pretty severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. 
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: chaos on May 11, 2018, 07:42:13 PM
I'll type slow so you can follow... Trump carries the Evangelicals. Yet he isn't a christian. You can tell he is not because of his life, and because when asked, he obviously didn't have the faintest idea what Christianity was. That he says he doesn't do anything to ask forgiveness for says it all. It was a simple question, all he had to do was say yes, I ask god for forgiveness like any christian would.. yet he could not bring himself to do it. But his followers are willing to pretend just about anything because he currently has an "R" after his name

Oh.. I forgot... LMAO!  ::)
WTF? Are you high? Nobody cares if he asks for forgiveness, his religious ideologies had no impact on why I voted for him. If other were concerned with his Christianity then let them speak out, but you? Come on, you're just bitching to bitch at this point.
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 11, 2018, 09:14:07 PM
WTF? Are you high? Nobody cares if he asks for forgiveness, his religious ideologies had no impact on why I voted for him. If other were concerned with his Christianity then let them speak out, but you? Come on, you're just bitching to bitch at this point.

Yeah, you're probably right....
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on May 12, 2018, 12:55:24 AM
Wrong.  The definition of repentance includes turning away from sin. 

One of the main tenants of Christianity is not judging people.  I know you like to use Google to look up Bible verses.  Look that one up.  Perhaps it will help you stop judging Trump and the people who support him.  Especially since you seem to be so interested in Christianity. 

Unless they have :

A different skin color
A different sexuality
A different gender
A different political opinion
A higher level of compassion and/or empathy

Otherwise, "one of the main tenants of Christianity" is often the one most ignored.
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
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Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Board_SHERIF on May 12, 2018, 06:36:43 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/trump-has-never-sought-forgiveness/index.html

All you good bible believing Trump supporters, how do you reconcile Trump not bringing god into the equation and he hasn't done anything to ask forgiveness for wrongdoing even though it is common knowledge he has?

You and TinHat Man are the fake news of this forum  :)
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: mazrim on May 12, 2018, 06:49:03 AM
WTF? Are you high? Nobody cares if he asks for forgiveness, his religious ideologies had no impact on why I voted for him. If other were concerned with his Christianity then let them speak out, but you? Come on, you're just bitching to bitch at this point.
Yep, a lot of Christians did not vote for him because of his may/may not be Christianity but because of his stances on issues that are important.

Actually, my Facebook feed blows up with Christians constantly bashing him, etc. Better alternative then Hillary and has shined a spotlight on several conservative/Christian events and ideas. No idea what their problem is. We can't elect Jesus. Seems to have done more to further religious freedoms then other presidents would have done that they have voted for in the past.
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: loco on May 12, 2018, 07:50:59 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/trump-has-never-sought-forgiveness/index.html

All you good bible believing Trump supporters, how do you reconcile Trump not bringing god into the equation and he hasn't done anything to ask forgiveness for wrongdoing even though it is common knowledge he has?

Do you really believe that's the criteria Christians use on voting for a presidential candidate, or are you just trolling?

Trump promised to fight abortion, keep transgender kids out of the wrong bathrooms and fill the U.S. courts with die-hard conservative judges.  Trump picked a devote Christian as his vice president, and Trump isn't diabolic Hillary.  These alone are more than enough reasons for Christian American citizens to vote for Trump instead of Hillary.

Have you asked Orthodox Jews the equivalent on why they voted for and support Trump?
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Yamcha on May 12, 2018, 05:43:37 PM
I'll type slow so you can follow... Trump carries the Evangelicals. Yet he isn't a christian. You can tell he is not because of his life, and because when asked, he obviously didn't have the faintest idea what Christianity was. That he says he doesn't do anything to ask forgiveness for says it all. It was a simple question, all he had to do was say yes, I ask god for forgiveness like any christian would.. yet he could not bring himself to do it. But his followers are willing to pretend just about anything because he currently has an "R" after his name

Oh.. I forgot... LMAO!  ::)

Are Catholics considered Evangelicals?
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 12, 2018, 06:37:25 PM
Are Catholics considered Evangelicals?

ask one
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Yamcha on May 12, 2018, 06:42:00 PM
ask one

Lol... typical
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 12, 2018, 09:22:05 PM
Lol... typical

yeah.. I could probably tell you and you could probably come up with a flippant remark and we would be right here at square one. So yeah.. you got the answer you deserve Yamcha
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Coach is Back! on May 12, 2018, 09:40:00 PM
Unless they have :

A different skin color
A different sexuality
A different gender
A different political opinion
A higher level of compassion and/or empathy

Otherwise, "one of the main tenants of Christianity" is often the one most ignored.

“Rev” Al Sharpton and “Rev” Louis Farrakhan come to mind
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 13, 2018, 03:34:55 AM
TDS post reported
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Yamcha on May 13, 2018, 09:33:02 AM
yeah.. I could probably tell you and you could probably come up with a flippant remark and we would be right here at square one. So yeah.. you got the answer you deserve Yamcha

Your refusal to answer any direct questions is quite telling.
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 13, 2018, 11:41:23 AM
Your refusal to answer any direct questions is quite telling.

I just waste my time answering a few people on this forum with any answers requiring effort. So why bother?
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Irongrip400 on May 13, 2018, 11:48:57 AM
I'd call Trump a "cultural Christian" like most Westerners these days. It will come to bite us at some point.
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 13, 2018, 12:07:06 PM
I just waste my time answering a few people on this forum with any answers requiring effort. So why bother?

You back peddle every time you are called out in your TDS
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 13, 2018, 12:54:34 PM
You back peddle every time you are called out in your TDS

What you call "backpeddling" (I really don't think you are using the term appropriately) is really just me, after having put out a compelling argument for the statement "Evangelicals support Trump even though he is the opposite of Jesus and not christian" and having the Three Amigos counter with pretty piss poor arguments against, realizing no amount of information matters, their minds are made up so what's the point? No backpeddling, just tired of the same old same old.
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 13, 2018, 01:56:09 PM
What you call "backpeddling" (I really don't think you are using the term appropriately) is really just me, after having put out a compelling argument for the statement "Evangelicals support Trump even though he is the opposite of Jesus and not christian" and having the Three Amigos counter with pretty piss poor arguments against, realizing no amount of information matters, their minds are made up so what's the point? No backpeddling, just tired of the same old same old.

Trump is a friend to their cause and has similar enemies.   It’s not about him being a religious figure pea brain
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Yamcha on May 13, 2018, 02:17:03 PM
I just waste my time answering a few people on this forum with any answers requiring effort. So why bother?

Why bother even coming to this forum?
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: loco on May 13, 2018, 02:54:26 PM
Evangelicals support Trump even though he is the opposite of Jesus and not christian

LOL...What's the opposite of Jesus?  Are you saying now Trump's The Antichrist?
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Yamcha on May 13, 2018, 04:00:30 PM
Agnostic is turning into "Howard" with each passing day.
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 13, 2018, 07:12:57 PM
LOL...What's the opposite of Jesus?  Are you saying now Trump's The Antichrist?

Nah, just saying Jesus was humble, caring, honest, demanded people take care of the sick, poor, etc.
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: chaos on May 13, 2018, 07:16:28 PM
Nah, just saying Jesus was humble, caring, honest, demanded people take care of the sick, poor, etc.
Now you're comparing Trump to Jesus? Really? LMAO
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Agnostic007 on May 13, 2018, 10:32:08 PM
Now you're comparing Trump to Jesus? Really? LMAO

no silly I was answering your purposefully ignorant understanding of my previous answer. Don't act like it's the first time we've been down this road where you play stupid because you really don't have a response.   
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 14, 2018, 01:59:07 AM
Nah, just saying Jesus was humble, caring, honest, demanded people take care of the sick, poor, etc.

Seek help.   
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: loco on May 14, 2018, 02:58:04 AM
Nah, just saying Jesus was humble, caring, honest, demanded people take care of the sick, poor, etc.

Are you saying that because Trump is not like Jesus, Christians should have voted for Hillary even though Trump promised to fight abortion, keep transgender kids out of the wrong bathrooms, fill the U.S. courts with die-hard conservative judges, and picked a devote Christian as his vice president?
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: Dos Equis on May 14, 2018, 06:13:25 AM
What you call "backpeddling" (I really don't think you are using the term appropriately) is really just me, after having put out a compelling argument for the statement "Evangelicals support Trump even though he is the opposite of Jesus and not christian" and having the Three Amigos counter with pretty piss poor arguments against, realizing no amount of information matters, their minds are made up so what's the point? No backpeddling, just tired of the same old same old.

No, you didn't.  You posted an article that contradicted itself, all in an attempt to judge Christians who support Trump.  It was a dumb, not compelling argument. 
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: mazrim on May 14, 2018, 06:57:15 AM
First, Trump is Hitler and now he is the Antichrist.....007 has some odd thoughts.
Title: Re: Has Trump Trumped Jesus?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on May 14, 2018, 07:12:44 AM
“Rev” Al Sharpton and “Rev” Louis Farrakhan come to mind

You are EXACTLY right.   Just like Graham, Falwell, Bakker, Phelps, Creflo, Roberts,  etc..