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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: shrek on August 21, 2013, 05:48:15 PM
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searching sucks so let's start a new convo ......... what do we know and how can you safely use it, and what kind of benefits can be obtained......... plz no FUCKING stupid responses , let's be serious since its a very risky drug ..... I honestly know nothing about it
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Hey Shrek...
Slin is great and NOT as dangerous as one would think. My "guy" is a national level competitor, who also happens to be diabetic. Much like Tim Belknap, who I knew back in his day...this guy has directed me down the path, and I've NEVER had an issue with getting hypo etc.
Now, some would say they like one of the "logs" novolog, humalog, etc. Others would say go with Humulin R or Novolin R etc. Really depends on your lifestyle and what works best for YOU.
I "prefer" log, and heres why...it's short, works fast, and I don't have to worry about the long peak curve of "R". I like to take it about an hour before working out...get a carb/pro meal in right then...and make my intra w-o shake ready (juice/karbolyn/Bcaas etc)...have that during my workout and afterwards have my post workout meal. By that time the log is on the downward slope and very little if any risk for going hypo. Active time is around 3 hours.
With R...you could do the same, but you'll need to keep an eye on yourself for around 2-4 additional hours as it is a longer acting slin. Again, I'm not saying it is better, nor worse...just need to find what works for you.
The plus side to R is you can walk into most pharmacies and ask for it and get a bottle with no script. With log, you'll need a script, but I don't have to worry about that...at least for now.
As far as carb use..."they" say 10 grams per IU...I've found I don't need that much...but starting out, better to play it safe and once again, find out what works for YOU. I would consider starting out at 5-10 IU, have your carbs and protein ready and have some fun. I'm taking WELL ABOVE that amount, but it is a walk don't run on your elevation of IUs.
I'm sure others will chime in with their thoughts, and i could add more...but I'm tired. :)
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very dangerous stuff to play around with. I think once you understand how to eat properly when taking insulin it gets to be routine just like shooting HGH but why use it if you do not compete. The long term side effects of using insulin when you are not diabetic are not good.Your body can stop producing insulin on its own so then you will continue to have to get it through injections. someone correct me if I am wrong. But long term insulin use will cause your body to stop making its own.
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very dangerous stuff to play around with. I think once you understand how to eat properly when taking insulin it gets to be routine just like shooting HGH but why use it if you do not compete. The long term side effects of using insulin when you are not diabetic are not good.Your body can stop producing insulin on its own so then you will continue to have to get it through injections. someone correct me if I am wrong. But long term insulin use will cause your body to stop making its own.
No long-term insulin does not stop the natural production. Just leave her pancreas worked at least once a day. When to INSULIN is the most important hormone for today freak pros use 200-400 IU per day coupled with high gh of course.
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you do not need it.
the other thing that bothers me is that nobody here says you should be using gh with it, and if you are going to be using it you should be.
follow any of this advise given here and you're going to end up fat, or look worse than when you started.
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biggest thing to remember when using insulin is DON'T BE LAZY when it comes to eating.
if you wanna get as much benefit and as little negative's you must
#1. Have protein/amino's in your stomach before you take your shot(s)
#2. Avoid fats... this means do not eat fucking cookies, brownies, ice cream,... no cinnamon rolls with butter, ect... for your carb's (as they contain fat). No whole, 2% or 1% milk... if you drink milk, it's gotta be skim... same for eggs, they better be egg-whites. Sure as hell no peanut butter.... no fatty steak.. if you eat ground beef, it'd better be the leanest you can find, and strained and rinsed with water before you eat it.
#3. Watch fat content in your protein shakes. Concentrates have higher fat content than isolates/hydro's.
generally speaking, 2-3 doses of 5-15iu should be plenty.
for example;
am/breakfast - 7am, drink 50g hydro or isolate. 715am 15iu humulin R. 730am, 10g bcaa + 60g dextrose + 60g fructose. If by 8-810am you're still feeling hypo (sweaty forehead, shakey, quick pulse, 'high' feeling, ect... everybody's different), drink down another 20g of dextrose (or 20oz Gatorade.. hell, even Mt. Dew will work)
12pm/noon, repeat the same drink/food, except with 5iu humulin R and cut the dextrose and fructose down to 25g-30g each.
either post-workout or before bed, repeat the same thing you did for breakfast... if before bed, add in 30-50g maltodextrin and an extra 30g isolate/hydro.
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No long-term insulin does not stop the natural production. Just leave her pancreas worked at least once a day. When to INSULIN is the most important hormone for today freak pros use 200-400 IU per day coupled with high gh of course.
I don't know about that.
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No long-term insulin does not stop the natural production. Just leave her pancreas worked at least once a day. When to INSULIN is the most important hormone for today freak pros use 200-400 IU per day coupled with high gh of course.
while it's correct using insulin will not stop natural production (I ran 40-60iu/day from 1998-2002 and had zero issues when I stopped using it).... the 200-400iu per day sounds not-possible.
I can see maybe 100/day total, but 200... hell, even 150, doesn't seem possible, much less 400iu.
I know there are guys (pro's, npc guys, freaks who don't compete, ect...) who eat a ton of carbs.. I take in about 600-700/day, and there are many many guys who take in much more than that, and even at 1000-1200g carbs/day, I don't think that would support 200iu insulin/day. (that's over 4000kcals from carb's alone... not to mention the protein being around 500, that's over 6000kcals/day not including fats).
When I was running my insulin doses in 98, people on these boards said I was lying and that it wasn't possible, well, in this case, until I know of somebody PERSONALLY who uses anything over 150iu insulin per day, I won't believe it.
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while it's correct using insulin will not stop natural production (I ran 40-60iu/day from 1998-2002 and had zero issues when I stopped using it).... the 200-400iu per day sounds not-possible.
I can see maybe 100/day total, but 200... hell, even 150, doesn't seem possible, much less 400iu.
I know there are guys (pro's, npc guys, freaks who don't compete, ect...) who eat a ton of carbs.. I take in about 600-700/day, and there are many many guys who take in much more than that, and even at 1000-1200g carbs/day, I don't think that would support 200iu insulin/day. (that's over 4000kcals from carb's alone... not to mention the protein being around 500, that's over 6000kcals/day not including fats).
When I was running my insulin doses in 98, people on these boards said I was lying and that it wasn't possible, well, in this case, until I know of somebody PERSONALLY who uses anything over 150iu insulin per day, I won't believe it.
If I assure you, mega dose insulin is the secret of pro. A shot 50ui injections every meal before and after training. Pineapple juice is a good source of carbohydrates on insulin, a resistor occurs over time so that you do not need a lot of carbohydrates.
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10iu is a bit much for me. 200-400ius is down-syndrome stupid.
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In order to become a monster you need it...
If you are over the age of 40 doing 5 iu's per day gives your pancreas a break.
If you are fat fuck taking a few iu's per day can help prevent diabetes.
If you are idiot, it will kill you.
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Good posting fellas , now how bout what one would expect as in gains while using a moderate amount ....... end is slin related to the large gut that all these modern day guys have
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Good posting fellas , now how bout what one would expect as in gains while using a moderate amount ....... end is slin related to the large gut that all these modern day guys have
Insulin is directly related to "the gut" But what truly causes organ growth is IGF. Since GH releases a little IGF, some people believe that is the culprit.
But since all top bodybuilders with the gut are on GH slin and IGF.. I'm not sure i can accurately point out which one is most responsible.
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I'm not too impressed with the guys now days , they are huge but I think its sloppy looking ........ wish the 80s early 90s physique would come back
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I'm not too impressed with the guys now days , they are huge but I think its sloppy looking ........ wish the 80s early 90s physique would come back
But bigger...
Without SEO...
But i agree, they were significantly more aesthetic.
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To mess yourself up on slin, you would have to be running it for a long time without any break. That is where the issue arises...depending who you talk too...some go M-F taking the weekend off of any dosing...others go 2 wks 1 wk off etc. I've ran it for awhile with few breaks, and never had an issue (not recommending this).
I've run it with and with GH...the results on GH are better, without question. That said, as shared prior, when you have slin in your system, stay away from ANY kind of fats PERIOD. You won't become a fat slob if you're doing it right, with the correct AAS will help as well.
As to gains...really depends on dosing, etc. etc. It isn't like a magic pill and you're going to turn into some "god". It greatly helps in pushing carbs and aminos etc. into your system, which helps in faster recovery...tremendous pumps, and a solid, full look to your body.
Trust me, I've been doing this for over 25 yrs...weight lifting, gear, etc. and always had a fear of slin...until I met my guy and the light was turned on. Glad to get the truth...be smart...as also shared...stupid people are the ones who get fucked up.
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the likelihood of 'problems' is greater running gh w/o insulin than with insulin by itself.
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biggest thing to remember when using insulin is DON'T BE LAZY when it comes to eating.
if you wanna get as much benefit and as little negative's you must
#1. Have protein/amino's in your stomach before you take your shot(s)
#2. Avoid fats... this means do not eat fucking cookies, brownies, ice cream,... no cinnamon rolls with butter, ect... for your carb's (as they contain fat). No whole, 2% or 1% milk... if you drink milk, it's gotta be skim... same for eggs, they better be egg-whites. Sure as hell no peanut butter.... no fatty steak.. if you eat ground beef, it'd better be the leanest you can find, and strained and rinsed with water before you eat it.
#3. Watch fat content in your protein shakes. Concentrates have higher fat content than isolates/hydro's.
generally speaking, 2-3 doses of 5-15iu should be plenty.
for example;
am/breakfast - 7am, drink 50g hydro or isolate. 715am 15iu humulin R. 730am, 10g bcaa + 60g dextrose + 60g fructose. If by 8-810am you're still feeling hypo (sweaty forehead, shakey, quick pulse, 'high' feeling, ect... everybody's different), drink down another 20g of dextrose (or 20oz Gatorade.. hell, even Mt. Dew will work)
12pm/noon, repeat the same drink/food, except with 5iu humulin R and cut the dextrose and fructose down to 25g-30g each.
either post-workout or before bed, repeat the same thing you did for breakfast... if before bed, add in 30-50g maltodextrin and an extra 30g isolate/hydro.
Why exactly are you so anti-fats here? Is it because it dramatically slows digestion, preventing glucose uptake, etc that you need when on Slin ?
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the likelihood of 'problems' is greater running gh w/o insulin than with insulin by itself.
Elaborate on this please. Lets say you were doing 4iu gh and 2-400 test. What problems would or could appear and in what time frame?
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Forget about the pancreas, how about the insulin receptors burning out overtime? That is what causes diabeetus you know, overloading the pancreas to pump out so much insulin till it dies.
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How many bodybuilders do you think have turne themselves into diabetics due to insulin abuse? You really have to take it easy when using insulin and no point if you are not using HGH that is the whole point is to get that synergistic effect.
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Why exactly are you so anti-fats here? Is it because it dramatically slows digestion, preventing glucose uptake, etc that you need when on Slin ?
I want to avoid having fats in the bloodstream at the same time as the insulin... don't want the insulin to store the fat. it's my belief that insulin will store whatever is in the blood. (simplest way I can explain it)
same reason i'd avoid fat+carb foods when dieting. French fries (carbs fried in fat), bagels & cream cheese, peanut butter sandwiches, pizza (dough and cheese), ice cream, whole milk, doughnuts, ect,.... (anything that tastes good. lol)
i'm a big proponent of fat's... just not while injecting insulin. To bump my kcals I use a lot of peanut butter, and sometimes MCT and Flax oil.... just not while using slin. lol
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I want to avoid having fats in the bloodstream at the same time as the insulin... don't want the insulin to store the fat. it's my belief that insulin will store whatever is in the blood. (simplest way I can explain it)
same reason i'd avoid fat+carb foods when dieting. French fries (carbs fried in fat), bagels & cream cheese, peanut butter sandwiches, pizza (dough and cheese), ice cream, whole milk, doughnuts, ect,.... (anything that tastes good. lol)
i'm a big proponent of fat's... just not while injecting insulin. To bump my kcals I use a lot of peanut butter, and sometimes MCT and Flax oil.... just not while using slin. lol
This is actually a very very good philosophy, because you're right that it will store whatever is in the blood.
This makes sense.
I like this philosophy of eating at each meal either protein and fats or protein and carbs. Never mix all 3 unless is a planned cheat. This is actually George Farrah's dieting philosophy for the most part.
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Forget about the pancreas, how about the insulin receptors burning out overtime? That is what causes diabeetus you know, overloading the pancreas to pump out so much insulin till it dies.
That is what the doctors tell you and it is the farthest thing from the truth in the world. They've separated and divided the pathology of the body into compartments tended to by docs called "specialists" to make it harder to understand the body thus giving way to these outrageous claims backed by fradulent fda approved studies.
Let me ask you this, does your liver burn up or ever run out of bile to digest and assimilate your food? Do your androgenic receptors ever burn up due to taking upwards of 4 grams of steroids per week? Does caffeine ever cease to work because you have taken it too many times or "overdone" it and now your adrenals are permanently finished? No.
The pancreas doesn't work that way either. It pays big money if people believe it does, however.
Just like they say crohns is genetic or whatever they're saying causes it nowadays, i dont know i haven't heard of "their most recent discovery" that they make ever year which conveniently gives room for a new drug. Crohns is caused by dairy and the pathogens therein.
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Why exactly are you so anti-fats here? Is it because it dramatically slows digestion, preventing glucose uptake, etc that you need when on Slin ?
bro this thread is like a train wreck. I shouldn't watch cause i know its going to end up bad but I can't help it.
what I will do is save you from the wreckage.
ignore everything your reading here. better yet ask these fine gentlemen dispensing such expert advise for a pic of what these methodologies into practise will afford you.
so, let me put it to you like this cause your a very logical common sense guy.
everyone here is 'avoid fat! don't take in fat with it! it's a storage hormone! it'll shuttle fat directly to the cell!' yada yada yada cough *bullshit*
so here you have guys suggesting taking in HUNDREDS of grams of carbs (700) and THOUSANDS of calories (7000 lol) without gh. correct? what builds lean tissue? do carbs build lean tissue? oh then calories must build lean tissue. no? cause last time I checked it was protein and only protein.
now, couple this ideology of a massive carb/ calorie intake w/o gh usage. you think your going to create lean tissue? does insulin create lean tissue?
now, add in the fact they are all taking in 5000+cals which their body can't utilize properly w/o gh and they are worried about taking fat w their insulin? haha motherfuckers are going to get fat REGARDLESS of how little fats they take in during the curve cause they are eating to much and don't have the gh to utilize it
there is so much bad advise in this thread it's unbearable for me to watch you listen to it.
>JUST POST ONE PIC SHIRTLESS SHOWING ME THE RESULTS OF THESE PROTOCOLS WHERE YOU DO NOT LOOK BORDERLINE OBESE. JUST ONE. you won't cause you can't cause everything written here will make you FAT.
don't hold your breath bro. when your ready to use insulin pm me ate I'll walk you thru how to do it and look half way decent. I wouldn't recommend you do it (I don't like the look) but ill show you how to do it without looking the way this thread will leave you.
Jesus wept. eat 700 grams of carbs a day and 7k cal a day your body cannot possibly utilize but don't eat fat with your insulin, cause wait for it- you'll GET FAT!!!
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ps wait for the 'I have a top secret job with the NSA that prohibits me posting such a sensitive picture plus I'm under contract with Calvin Klein and my underwater camera broke when I was skindiving the Great Barrier Reef with great whites'
fucking bunch of BULLSHIT.
just one torso pic. headless. prove me wrong. lol
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ps wait for the 'I have a top secret job with the NSA that prohibits me posting such a sensitive picture plus I'm under contract with Calvin Klein and my underwater camera broke when I was skindiving the Great Barrier Reef with great whites'
fucking bunch of BULLSHIT.
just one torso pic. headless. prove me wrong. lol
are you talking to me you fucking phagget?
what the fuck makes you think i'm about to post a picture on here? being in the business i'm in? i'd much MUCH rather meet your pussy ass in person... and there won't be any picture taking then either, bitch.
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and who the fuck said anything about not using other drugs with the insulin?
I'm not your boyfriend galenko, you fucking punk.
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Im going to give my opinion on insulin, my experience on insulin is nothing to that of the guys who have been using gear for decades here, so Im not asking anyone to hold my opinion of any value, but I do believe what I am about to say. Insulin, (assuming you respond to it) even a little bit ...works. . You won't notice changes "in the mirror" like you will on tren,...other people will let you know how fucking big your getting. You just wont be impressed with yourself in the mirror up close...... and insulin and gh ruins a physique up close....but makes it impressive from far away. You will look fucking huge to that person looking at you across the gym, but when your up close....you won't freak them the fuck out. A guy who builds his physique on anabolics, is generally the opposite. they get more impressive the closer you get.....
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biggest thing to remember when using insulin is DON'T BE LAZY when it comes to eating.
if you wanna get as much benefit and as little negative's you must
#1. Have protein/amino's in your stomach before you take your shot(s)
#2. Avoid fats... this means do not eat fucking cookies, brownies, ice cream,... no cinnamon rolls with butter, ect... for your carb's (as they contain fat). No whole, 2% or 1% milk... if you drink milk, it's gotta be skim... same for eggs, they better be egg-whites. Sure as hell no peanut butter.... no fatty steak.. if you eat ground beef, it'd better be the leanest you can find, and strained and rinsed with water before you eat it.#3. Watch fat content in your protein shakes. Concentrates have higher fat content than isolates/hydro's.
generally speaking, 2-3 doses of 5-15iu should be plenty.
for example;
am/breakfast - 7am, drink 50g hydro or isolate. 715am 15iu humulin R. 730am, 10g bcaa + 60g dextrose + 60g fructose. If by 8-810am you're still feeling hypo (sweaty forehead, shakey, quick pulse, 'high' feeling, ect... everybody's different), drink down another 20g of dextrose (or 20oz Gatorade.. hell, even Mt. Dew will work)
12pm/noon, repeat the same drink/food, except with 5iu humulin R and cut the dextrose and fructose down to 25g-30g each.
either post-workout or before bed, repeat the same thing you did for breakfast... if before bed, add in 30-50g maltodextrin and an extra 30g isolate/hydro.
lol @ you trying to overcomplicate this shit all dramatic and scaring everyone. "better be he leanest ground beef you can find". that's why no one and the guys laugh at you, your full of fucking shit dude. I know a pro whos pot workout meal with his slin shot is whey isolate, whole milk, honey and peaches....his second meal is a fucking ribeye steak or salmon (both fatty as hell) with white rice or sweet potatoes. If I asked him to switch to tilapia or flounder cause it's leaner, he'd tell me to go fuck myself
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lol @ you trying to overcomplicate this shit all dramatic and scaring everyone. "better be he leanest ground beef you can find". that's why no one and the guys laugh at you, your full of fucking shit dude. I know a pro whos pot workout meal with his slin shot is whey isolate, whole milk, honey and peaches....his second meal is a fucking ribeye steak or salmon (both fatty as hell) with white rice or sweet potatoes. If I asked him to switch to tilapia or flounder cause it's leaner, he'd tell me to go fuck myself
how is that dramatic? holy fuck you're an infatuated little girl.
how fucking hard is it to use lean ground beef and rinse it after cooking? maybe when you're an adult and live by yourself and your mommy doesn't cook your dinner for you, you'll realize how not 'overcomplicated' it is.
and I really don't give two shits about your 'pro' buddy who eats steak and drinks whole milk.
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bro this thread is like a train wreck. I shouldn't watch cause i know its going to end up bad but I can't help it.
what I will do is save you from the wreckage.
ignore everything your reading here. better yet ask these fine gentlemen dispensing such expert advise for a pic of what these methodologies into practise will afford you.
so, let me put it to you like this cause your a very logical common sense guy.
everyone here is 'avoid fat! don't take in fat with it! it's a storage hormone! it'll shuttle fat directly to the cell!' yada yada yada cough *bullshit*
so here you have guys suggesting taking in HUNDREDS of grams of carbs (700) and THOUSANDS of calories (7000 lol) without gh. correct? what builds lean tissue? do carbs build lean tissue? oh then calories must build lean tissue. no? cause last time I checked it was protein and only protein.
now, couple this ideology of a massive carb/ calorie intake w/o gh usage. you think your going to create lean tissue? does insulin create lean tissue?
now, add in the fact they are all taking in 5000+cals which their body can't utilize properly w/o gh and they are worried about taking fat w their insulin? haha motherfuckers are going to get fat REGARDLESS of how little fats they take in during the curve cause they are eating to much and don't have the gh to utilize it
there is so much bad advise in this thread it's unbearable for me to watch you listen to it.
>JUST POST ONE PIC SHIRTLESS SHOWING ME THE RESULTS OF THESE PROTOCOLS WHERE YOU DO NOT LOOK BORDERLINE OBESE. JUST ONE. you won't cause you can't cause everything written here will make you FAT.
don't hold your breath bro. when your ready to use insulin pm me ate I'll walk you thru how to do it and look half way decent. I wouldn't recommend you do it (I don't like the look) but ill show you how to do it without looking the way this thread will leave you.
Jesus wept. eat 700 grams of carbs a day and 7k cal a day your body cannot possibly utilize but don't eat fat with your insulin, cause wait for it- you'll GET FAT!!!
Bro I think everybody expects the insulin user to also be using HGH for the synergistic effect, it is almost a given dosn't even really need to be said. I think with my post is I was trying to get across how it is more dangerous then people think and you really need to know how to eat properly when using insulin and also know how to eat when you use a certain type of insulin as you know and I know there are more the just one form of insulin. Some people don't understand there is humalog,humilin and other types of insulin that work diffrently timing wise, and you need to know how to adjust your diet when using these diffrent forms of insulin. I think most people who would start a thread like this is expecting to use HGH with the Insulin. I do not know anybody who uses Insulin without HGH but I do know guys like myself who just use HGH and do not use insulin. I guess more of us should of been more carefyl and made sure that this user was going to use HGH with the Insulin but it was also Shrek who posted the topic thread and shrek knows HGH should be used in combination with insulin.
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Yes sir , thought about coming off the steroids for a year and was curious in HGH slin use as a bridge while I let my boys fire back up ...... but wasn't so serious in the slin just felt that there should be a discussion on it and what to expect pros/cons ...... remember there's a lot of views on our topics and that's usually folks that have questions and are not affiliated with the site ......some of the people posting on here are tool bags and it shows when they have MELT DOWNS ...... and please drop the internet tough guy act , I can care less how big someone is cause at 400 yards I won't even have to hear the crap being said just the visual of the delay of the 180gr bullet ;D
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Bro I think everybody expects the insulin user to also be using HGH for the synergistic effect, it is almost a given dosn't even really need to be said. I think with my post is I was trying to get across how it is more dangerous then people think and you really need to know how to eat properly when using insulin and also know how to eat when you use a certain type of insulin as you know and I know there are more the just one form of insulin. Some people don't understand there is humalog,humilin and other types of insulin that work diffrently timing wise, and you need to know how to adjust your diet when using these diffrent forms of insulin. I think most people who would start a thread like this is expecting to use HGH with the Insulin. I do not know anybody who uses Insulin without HGH but I do know guys like myself who just use HGH and do not use insulin. I guess more of us should of been more carefyl and made sure that this user was going to use HGH with the Insulin but it was also Shrek who posted the topic thread and shrek knows HGH should be used in combination with insulin.
my post wasn't directed at you bro. you've been around know your shit.
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are you talking to me you fucking phagget?
what the fuck makes you think i'm about to post a picture on here? being in the business i'm in? i'd much MUCH rather meet your pussy ass in person... and there won't be any picture taking then either, bitch.
calm down, Gloria. it's first thing in the am. don't go biting off more than you can chew already.
I know there'll be no picture. know why? cause fat permabulkers like you like to sit behind a keyboard as dispense shitty advise. they get to feel good about themselves by doing so since the efforts they've put into building their bodies failed.
if you think it's 'cool' to walk around bloated and fat at 15-20% that's great. but don't go giving your shit advise to my boy chiro here and have him gain 20 pounds if fat he'll just have to work twice as hard to strip off.
why are you name calling me and threatening to hurt me? does it make you feel better about being fat? truth is I'm really afraid of you. please lower your tone with me. your scaring me. lol
beat it, sparky.
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lol @ you trying to overcomplicate this shit all dramatic and scaring everyone. "better be he leanest ground beef you can find". that's why no one and the guys laugh at you, your full of fucking shit dude. I know a pro whos pot workout meal with his slin shot is whey isolate, whole milk, honey and peaches....his second meal is a fucking ribeye steak or salmon (both fatty as hell) with white rice or sweet potatoes. If I asked him to switch to tilapia or flounder cause it's leaner, he'd tell me to go fuck myself
ESP like to regurgitate popular misbeliefs found on line in forums like this everywhere.
hey bro eat 800 grams of carbs and 8000cal but make sure you rinse you ground beef off or you'll get fat. hahahaha omg priceless.
it's like giving a guy a loaded gun and saying 'don't point this at your head and pull the trigger. thats not a good idea. shoot yourself in the leg instead and bleed out.'
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calm down, Gloria. it's first thing in the am. don't go biting off more than you can chew already.
I know there'll be no picture. know why? cause fat permabulkers like you like to sit behind a keyboard as dispense shitty advise. they get to feel good about themselves by doing so since the efforts they've put into building their bodies failed.
if you think it's 'cool' to walk around bloated and fat at 15-20% that's great. but don't go giving your shit advise to my boy chiro here and have him gain 20 pounds if fat he'll just have to work twice as hard to strip off.
why are you name calling me and threatening to hurt me? does it make you feel better about being fat? truth is I'm really afraid of you. please lower your tone with me. your scaring me. lol
beat it, sparky.
True chiro has a good physique and it will only get better if he gets good advice. looking good from 5 ft away to 50 ft away dosn't answer any questions! Everybody is going to look diffrent just depends on how they respond and how low of BF% they can get down to and chiro seems like he stays at a good bf%. Chiro can become a great bodybuilder if het gets good advice and follows it. I think ESFitness has been around the block and has also used alot of AAS but talking about how you will look from 5ft away and 50ft away dosn't matter,but ESFitness knows how to cycle drugs.
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dear mr G4PFitness.
I been follow your threads with very much interesting. you sound very big manly.
I am hope to be big manly too like you one day.
using this way of using insulins and rinsing my ground beefs off, what was the most you weighted and what do you estimated your body fats to be.
cheers
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True chiro has a good physique and it will only get better if he gets good advice. looking good from 5 ft away to 50 ft away dosn't answer any questions! Everybody is going to look diffrent just depends on how they respond and how low of BF% they can get down to and chiro seems like he stays at a good bf%. Chiro can become a great bodybuilder if het gets good advice and follows it. I think ESFitness has been around the block and has also used alot of AAS but talking about how you will look from 5ft away and 50ft away dosn't matter,but ESFitness knows how to cycle drugs.
the problem with good advise online unless you know the source it's seldom good. remember pumpster?
I'm calling bullshit on this guys advise in this regard when it comes to insulin usage. it's fucking horrible.
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Im going to give my opinion on insulin, my experience on insulin is nothing to that of the guys who have been using gear for decades here, so Im not asking anyone to hold my opinion of any value, but I do believe what I am about to say. Insulin, (assuming you respond to it) even a little bit ...works. . You won't notice changes "in the mirror" like you will on tren,...other people will let you know how fucking big your getting. You just wont be impressed with yourself in the mirror up close...... and insulin and gh ruins a physique up close....but makes it impressive from far away. You will look fucking huge to that person looking at you across the gym, but when your up close....you won't freak them the fuck out. A guy who builds his physique on anabolics, is generally the opposite. they get more impressive the closer you get.....
This is actually very true.
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lol @ permabulker.
keep telling yourself that.
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I think the point "no one" and "flinstones1" are trying to make is that, limiting fat intake around insulin injections to avoid gaining fat is pointless if you're taking in too many carbs to begin with. Once glycogen stores are full, the carbs will be stored as fat. Eating hundreds of grams of carbohydrates but avoiding fats won't prevent fat storage.
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I think the point "no one" and "flinstones1" are trying to make is that, limiting fat intake around insulin injections to avoid gaining fat is pointless if you're taking in too many carbs to begin with. Once glycogen stores are full, the carbs will be stored as fat. Eating hundreds of grams of carbohydrates but avoiding fats won't prevent fat storage.
see ^ this is a guy i'd take advise from. bang on bro.
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Not bad , but what's your stats ...... REALISTICALLY
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lol @ permabulker.
keep telling yourself that.
this is supposed to impress me?
you better try again penelope or put a shirt on.
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lol @ permabulker.
keep telling yourself that.
6'2 195lbs
impressive! haha what a monster ::)
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the problem with good advise online unless you know the source it's seldom good. remember pumpster?
I'm calling bullshit on this guys advise in this regard when it comes to insulin usage. it's fucking horrible.
never said it was good advice he has to learn to trust the people who do give good advice. Some people know alot about HGH and know shit about insulin so you have to go with advice from guys who have been around and have constantly given good advice. As far as insulin usage This is a touchy subject for myself as I am not to skilled on personal insulin usage I have not used insulin in years and it was for a short durations and most of the info I have gotten on how to use insulin properly was from ex-pros and current pros and NPC competitors but even with the guys who I have talked to personally they all had diffrent tips on how to use insulin and the safest way to use it.
One big ass dude who was a ex competitor but still liked to get down to 4-5% around Olympia time who was my steroid guru and nutritionist did not think it was dangerous at all using insulin and how it is the most potent substance you can use and this guy is up there and then there are other guys who I would talk to who were current NPC bodybuilders and they say you do have to be carefull and do everything perfect as far as eating goes . I have never heard of rinsing ground beef though ???
My final conclusion when it comes to insulin is there is not really a reason to potentially fuck up your health in the long run if you are not competitive bodybuilding. Insulin is not really for me because I tried getting into competition
mode but I never felt I could get down below 4-5% safely and their was no real reward for the show anyway so I never competed. I just don't have the genetics. steroids,HG,insulin are the key and help but you still have to have some bad-ass genetics to get anywhere in this sport.
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6 years back I had the dream of competition , but after realizing what all was involved I said FUCK it I don't gave the time and I enjoy fine foods and drink and I travel all over the place ....... so I've come to accept being way above normal and being above normal in other fields as well .... a bodybuilder is just a bodybuilder and nothing else until they give up bodybuilding ......
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this is supposed to impress me?
you better try again penelope or put a shirt on.
I don't give two shits about impressing you, fhaggot. I lol@ your 'permabulker' nonsense and posted a torso pic, since you were so convinced I was obese. just keep telling yourself that. chump.
I don't see what the big deal is or how your bitch ass thinks I advocate guys eating 1000g of carb's a day.
avoid fat when using insulin? that's blasphemy? fuck you're an idiot... just an internet bbing msg board flaming loser. good luck with life.
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6 years back I had the dream of competition , but after realizing what all was involved I said FUCK it I don't gave the time and I enjoy fine foods and drink and I travel all over the place ....... so I've come to accept being way above normal and being above normal in other fields as well .... a bodybuilder is just a bodybuilder and nothing else until they give up bodybuilding ......
So much truth to this statement
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I don't give two shits about impressing you, fhaggot. I lol@ your 'permabulker' nonsense and posted a torso pic, since you were so convinced I was obese. just keep telling yourself that. chump.
I don't see what the big deal is or how your bitch ass thinks I advocate guys eating 1000g of carb's a day.
avoid fat when using insulin? that's blasphemy? fuck you're an idiot... just an internet bbing msg board flaming loser. good luck with life.
your all over the place here bro.
can you calm down and compose yourself and repeat that please? preferably in English this time.
much thanks.
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I don't give two shits about impressing you, fhaggot. I lol@ your 'permabulker' nonsense and posted a torso pic, since you were so convinced I was obese. just keep telling yourself that. chump.
I don't see what the big deal is or how your bitch ass thinks I advocate guys eating 1000g of carb's a day.
avoid fat when using insulin? that's blasphemy? fuck you're an idiot... just an internet bbing msg board flaming loser. good luck with life.
damn you eat 1,000 grams of carbs a day? or is that a joke?I didn't even think you used HGH or slin. you gotta keep in control when you post you keep calling people homo this and homo that. You need a valium or a xanax or meditation , take it easy a little bit! just chill out don't let the forum bother you like this.ESFintness is not new to the game he has been around I was unaware you used HGH or slin though. Some people think I eat to much protein because I eat 1.5-2 grams of protein a pound a day and not even close to that when it comes to carbs and fat. I keep the fat at 20-30 grams a meal. Mainly 20 grams a meal. My diet is kind of fucked up. Right now I have been trying to go 50/30/20 protein,carbs and fat. I was using 45grams protein, 35grams carbs, 20 grams carbs. I honestly like this new 50/30/20 Ratio.
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I never advocated the guy eating 1k carbs a day.
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I never advocated the guy eating 1k carbs a day.
why did that comment come into play? I eat alot of protein I try to eat 2 grams of protein a pound so 400 grams of protein a day but 1,000 grams of carbs is nutts! Let me see who said that.
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I don't get why everyone has to bitch at each other. There is valuable advice to be gained from each party. You think Farah's methods are the same as Charles Glass?
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I don't get why everyone has to bitch at each other. There is valuable advice to be gained from each party. You think Farah's methods are the same as Charles Glass?
I agree.
Nothing wrong with having an educated argument, but the type of behavior shown in this thread is why i don't even add my two cents sometimes. A lot of people don't agree with everything i say and i don't agree with everything said in this thread, but there is no need to try to rip someone's head off about it.
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so guys how would you shoot actrapid in comparison to very fast acting slin (it's somewhat longer acting than humalog for example - between 30 minutes and an hour) ?
should i simply shoot 30 min earlier than i would with humalog?
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c'mon surely someone can help me out on my road to self-destruction
i wanna die for you bitches!
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c'mon surely someone can help me out on my road to self-destruction
i wanna die for you bitches!
Humalog kicks in way faster then humilin-R . give humalog like 15 minutes to start kicking in peaks in close to an hour. Humilin-R takes about 30 minutes to kick in and peaks in 2hours.2.5 hours. Humilin you can usually get away with buying over the counter at a pharmacy.with humalog you need a script to get it.
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Humalog kicks in way faster then humilin-R . give humalog like 15 minutes to start kicking in peaks in close to an hour. Humilin-R takes about 30 minutes to kick in and peaks in 2hours.2.5 hours. Humilin you can usually get away with buying over the counter at a pharmacy.with humalog you need a script to get it.
yeah, thanks, but my question was - how to shoot the longer acting one?
should i wait with the meal let's say 30 min because it kicks in at that point?
i mean that's pretty much what i've gathered reading about it, but would appreciate some confirmation from guys knowledgeable on the subject ;D
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yeah, thanks, but my question was - how to shoot the longer acting one?
should i wait with the meal let's say 30 min because it kicks in at that point?
i mean that's pretty much what i've gathered reading about it, but would appreciate some confirmation from guys knowledgeable on the subject ;D
with humulinR, id wait 20mins-30mins or so before taking in the carbs, with Humalog I gotta get those carbs in right away... act rapid kicks in just a lil longer than log IME, so i'd take in those carbs the same as I would with log. an extra 5-10mins won't make much difference.
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with humulinR, id wait 20mins-30mins or so before taking in the carbs, with Humalog I gotta get those carbs in right away... act rapid kicks in just a lil longer than log IME, so i'd take in those carbs the same as I would with log. an extra 5-10mins won't make much difference.
thanks !
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btw.. I haven't had ActRapid since like 2000/2001 when Paul Borrenson was talking about this "awesome porcine insulin much better utilized by your body than Humalog or the humulin's". lol... I figured I had to try it and when I finally found it, I ended up paying $120 for 2 bottles. lol. I wasn't impressed enough to spend the extra cash, since I had a couple nurse clients that'd get me all the Humalog I wanted, until I realized I preferred HumulinR over both of them.
I'm still looking to try Lantus.
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lantus has been linked to cancer. it's garbage
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lantus has been linked to cancer. it's garbage
How so specifically??
Because all cancer cells have insulin receptors on them... so you could argue that any exogenous insulin is linked to cancer.
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How so specifically??
Because all cancer cells have insulin receptors on them... so you could argue that any exogenous insulin is linked to cancer.
Exactly. Steroids have been linked to cancer too. Doesn't mean that no one should use them. Everything has an inherent risk but those risks are usually so marginal you can ignore them entirely.
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How much is Insulin about in a pharmacy? I've heard $20 but looking online it seems closer to $100. Did prices go up?
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How much is Insulin about in a pharmacy? I've heard $20 but looking online it seems closer to $100. Did prices go up?
Novolin R at walmart is like $25... some sort of discount program they have. they used to sell Humulin R for the same price, but switched to Novolin.